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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Law with June Grosso from Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Unsealed documents show that Jeffrey Epstein was offering advice to

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Speaker 1: Glaine Maxwell as late as despite her lawyer's statement that

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Speaker 1: the British socialite had no contact with the disgrace financier

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Speaker 1: in a decade. Maxwell is in a federal jail in

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn after her arrest this month on charges of engaging

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Speaker 1: with Epstein in a sex trafficking scheme. She's trying to

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Speaker 1: stop the disclosure of documents that include her sworn testimony

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Speaker 1: in a civil case. Joining me is Bloomberg Legal reporter

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Speaker 1: Patricia Hurtado, who has been covering the Maxwell case that

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Speaker 1: give us the background on these documents. So this is

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Speaker 1: a prolonged involved story goes back to there was a

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Speaker 1: young woman named Virginia Robert Gufrey, and she says that

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Speaker 1: when she was sixteen years old, she encounters Gawayne Maxwell

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Speaker 1: at mar Lago. Her dad worked there as a maintenance man.

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Speaker 1: He gets her a job at the spa. She's handing

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Speaker 1: out towels and a lovely woman British woman comes up

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Speaker 1: to her and sees her reading a book about massage

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Speaker 1: and offers her a job working for this wealthy man

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Speaker 1: who wants to looking for a private massuit. She said

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Speaker 1: she was sixteen years old at the time, so she

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Speaker 1: goes to the mansion through if it turns out she's

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Speaker 1: introduced Jeffrey Epstein and he immediately and Maxwell, she alleges

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Speaker 1: forced her to perform sex acts with the two of

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Speaker 1: them present, and she became a sex slave. She and

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Speaker 1: alleges that was in thousands. So then she ends up

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Speaker 1: trying to join a lawsuit with victims of Epstein after

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Speaker 1: Epstein gets his secret plea deal, and she makes some

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Speaker 1: comments about Maxwell publicly and Maxwell comes back and issues

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Speaker 1: a press release in January twenty sixteen. She makes statements

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Speaker 1: and says that this woman is a liar. It provoked

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Speaker 1: or prompts a defamation lawsuit. Gufrey sues Maxwell for defamation

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Speaker 1: and Maxwell gave testimony under oath questioned about this steps trafficking.

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Speaker 1: Guffrey was very very aggressive. Her lawyers included David Boys

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Speaker 1: and this guy Bradley Edwards and as Pottinger in Florida,

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Speaker 1: and they really went to question Maxwell at people that

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Speaker 1: worked at the Epstein home in Palm beach, all kinds

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Speaker 1: of allegations. So Gufrase alleged was forced to have sex,

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Speaker 1: that she was trafficed to these famous men, including alleged

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Speaker 1: princes passively, Prince Andrew, she's named him, and Maxwell denies it.

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Speaker 1: So what happens is this stuff was all settled right

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Speaker 1: on the eve of trial. The tifteen lawsuits got settled

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Speaker 1: right before trial, and then the documents were understealed. So

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Speaker 1: how did all those sealed documents get unsealed before Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein's suicide. But after Epstein gets prosecuted, the Miami Herald

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Speaker 1: goes to ask why is this sealed? And the Court

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Speaker 1: of Appeals, Second Circuit Court of Appeals directed that the

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Speaker 1: judge who had originally had the lawsuits didn't properly seal.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't have properly sealed everything. It was improper to

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Speaker 1: keep all the documents from the public. And so that's

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Speaker 1: how we get to this point. The circuit orders last August,

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Speaker 1: they order all these documents and seals, and all the

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Speaker 1: documents start hitting the dockets and the next day Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein is found dead in his jail cell of an

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Speaker 1: apparent suicide. So the document release was sent back to

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Speaker 1: a new federal judge to provide over what's properly unsealed

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Speaker 1: and what should not be properly unsealed. And you can

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Speaker 1: imagine there's all these implications for other people whose names

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Speaker 1: may can't come up, other victims who allegedly were there

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Speaker 1: when the trafficking occurred or were also traffic who may

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Speaker 1: not want to have their names come out. So there's

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Speaker 1: like a Jane Doe one, and a Jane Doe two,

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Speaker 1: and multiple Jane does and also John does. So Judge Prescott,

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Speaker 1: July twenty three, she held a hearing after you know,

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Speaker 1: Maxwell has now been charged and says, okay, let's go

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Speaker 1: and have a hearing about what you get unsealed. So

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. So that's how we get to this testimony.

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Speaker 1: Maxwell was questioned under oath. The government used the testimony

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Speaker 1: as a basis they say she lied and committed to

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Speaker 1: never present when Epstein may have been sexually abusing underage girls,

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Speaker 1: nor had she seen anything like it. She was not

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Speaker 1: aware of that activity illegal activity, nor was President ever

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Speaker 1: witnessing it, so that testimony remains under steal because she

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Speaker 1: went for an emergency motion and asked the Quarter of

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Speaker 1: Appeals to again stop the release Thursday night. So that

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Speaker 1: get a fair trial and they'll judge me based on

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Speaker 1: this testimony coming out now. So she'd won a temporary stay,

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Speaker 1: but the circuit told her they want to hear oral

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Speaker 1: arguments on September twenty two, and in the meantime, Judge

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Speaker 1: Loretta Prescot, who is presiding over the un sealing the

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Speaker 1: There were excerpts that had been under steal, and we

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Speaker 1: little disingenuous for Maxwell to want to conceal this deposition

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Speaker 1: in the papers. When she tried to get the judge

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Speaker 1: in public. Yeah, that was It's It's interesting because her

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Speaker 1: civil lawyers in the defamation lawsuits are also part of

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Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense that these lawyers from Denver

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Speaker 1: It's called protective orders, and they're becoming really common nowadays

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Speaker 1: it was it's like stunning too when you read, you know,

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Speaker 1: And she said she was, you know, gots struck by

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Speaker 1: It's so tawdry and it's it's really kind of you

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Speaker 1: know how Epstein had a lot of connections, a lot

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Speaker 1: And what was released by Judge Prescott also on Thursday

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Speaker 1: good question. And what the circuit did originally and last

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Speaker 1: they also have the comments Judge Presco has made. She's

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Speaker 1: then she also argued, Uh, the judgment noted in her

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Speaker 1: these documents until like last week. So she's like, what,

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Speaker 1: what took you three weeks to come to me? Um?

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Speaker 1: She called it an eleventh hour last effort. Just update

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Speaker 1: any more attempts on her part to get released? So far,

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Speaker 1: make another effort. The judge is basically said, because of

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