WEBVTT - Chapter 1 | You Told Me No 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.280 Something unexpected happened after I told you the story of 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.120 a man convicted of murdering his own wife. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:18.919 I am one hundred percent innocent. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.520 That means someone else killed in my wife. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.479 If you haven't heard Season one of Bone Valley, you 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.080 might want to go back and listen. It's the story 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.360 of Leo Schofield, who spent thirty six years in prison 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.720 for a crime he swears he did not commit. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.519 I just want justice for my dead wife. That's what 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:38.000 I want. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.200 After investigating his case for years, I'm convinced he's telling 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.480 the truth because I also met the one man who 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.559 says he knows for sure that Leo is innocent. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.720 I'm saying he didn't do it, that's what I mean. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:54.760 And he didn't do it. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.480 Jeremy Scott told me in terrifying detail how he was 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.760 the one who killed Michelle Schofield. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.640 So she gave me a ride, and that's one of them. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.480 I guess I lost it Dan and she went to 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.200 screaming and panicing and stuff. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.880 When I first learned about Jeremy Scott, I didn't want 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.160 to know any more than I had. Here was a 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.720 man with a history of extraordinary violence. He was impulsive, 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.840 and volatile, attacking random citizens and teenage girls on the outside, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:37.480 and cellmates, guards and nurses while locked behind bars. I'll 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.319 admit at first I saw Jeremy as sort of a monster. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.600 It was Leo, of all people who changed my mind. Leo, 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.600 whose wife was murdered by this man, was able to 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.960 see something in Jeremy that I couldn't. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.640 And I was looking for this creature that you know, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.800 I couldn't. I could hate that, I could I could 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:10.040 detest that, could be repulsed by and vindicated in all 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.200 of it. And then you see him and what is he? 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:19.520 He's a broken individual, broken vessel, someone who's never known 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.560 what it is to be loved. My prayer is that 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.600 somehow he comes to know love that gives him some 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:26.320 kind of peace. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.800 Jeremy was trying to tell me and anyone who would 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.400 listen the truth that he was the guilty one, not Leo. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.960 I've been trying to help him and doing everything I could. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.120 In season one of Bone Valley, I told you the 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.760 story of a man fighting to prove his innocence. This 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.960 season the story of a man trying to prove his 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.160 own guilt and the unlikely collection of people who heard 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:02.959 Jeremy confess of nowhere step forward to help him make 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.640 things right. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.160 So I spoke to Jeremy yesterday. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.080 You know when I try to encourage him to stay 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.720 out of trouble, and I would. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.480 Tell him because I did love him. I did love Jeremy. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.440 It wasn't until you knew him a little bit, right, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.160 I just knew him as a kid. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:27.840 Yeah, Gilbert King Home, I'm the son of Jeremy and Scott. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.400 Jeremy Scott confessed and the state of Florida doesn't believe him. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.920 These are the stories of the people who do. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.200 When y'all wanted to talk to me, before I tried, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:47.240 I couldn't do it. I never talked to anybody about 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.760 any of this. I couldn't see here. A year ago, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.480 I couldn't do it. I could do it today. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.560 Everything in life takes effect, you know, Like I don't 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.880 want to hide nothing. Everything I say I want everybody 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.280 to hear, Like like, at the end of the day, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.520 I'm literally a son of a killer. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:35.560 Do you, my maness, love to have my feet sorru 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:52.080 steps sorn in this vastity? Uh see relation. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:05:07.240 Outreach dezhday stuff. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:32.320 So Boom Valley Season two Jeremy Chapter one, you told 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:39.160 me No. One morning in the fall of twenty twenty two, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.040 I woke up to a flood of text messages, a 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.159 mist call, and a voicemail that came in at one am. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:52.480 Hi, Gilbert King. This is Justin Allen. I was born 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:59.159 on March nineteen eighty nine. I'm the son of Jamie Allens. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.840 Her name is to be Chaney Allen and the son 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.800 of Jeremylyn Scott. 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.560 Jeremy's son wanted to talk to me. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.440 Maybe he just called me that please. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.040 I texted him back right away and we started chatting. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.840 His messages felt urgent. He just finished listening to his 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.919 father confessed to murder. Justin wrote, sorry for getting excited 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.440 and talking so much. I've never had a chance to 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.320 talk about my dad. And I'm thirty four. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.760 Hello, Hey, Justin, Hey, it's Gilbert. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:41.160 How are you. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:42.960 I'm pretty good. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.480 How you doing. I'm doing good. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.040 I'm so sorry I missed you last night. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.080 I know it was it was late. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.159 I was listening the. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.520 Whole time I woke up. I was a little crazy. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.680 Yeah, I could imagine it. I mean one of the 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.080 first of a long list of things Justin wants to 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.839 talk about is actually not his dad, it's Leo. Justin 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.240 has listened to our podcast, done all these sleepless calculations, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:06.560 and he's come to this. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.920 Conclusion with the Oh Leo situation. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.320 If you really stop and think about it, I pretty 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:13.400 much owe him my life. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.920 If Jeremy had gone to jail instead of Leo, Justin 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.800 would have never been conceived. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.520 Something about it. The murder was in nineteen eighty seven, right, right, Okay, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.320 Leo ended up taking the hit from my dad. But 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.080 within that time, my dad was free, you know, and 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.720 he was still with my mom and they had me. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.680 So if the cops and everything would have done their 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.560 job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.720 would have never existed. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.000 While we're on the phone, I realized Justin is with 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:42.680 his own son. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.160 I'm sorry, I'm holding I'm holding my boy right now, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.920 and it's pacing back and forth and not a lot 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.840 on my mind. Yeah, yeah, here, hold on, here's some grims. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.240 He wants the color now. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.360 His birthday was yesterday, oh sweet, two years old. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.600 Yeah, he just He tells me he's raising his son 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.080 with his girlfriend Ariel, who also has three young daughters 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.280 from a prior relationship. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.280 That's how I look at it. They're my girls because 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:10.480 I take care of him with my girl. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.520 This is why his voicemail came in so late at night. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.960 He's incredibly busy. He works the night shift as a 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.800 supermarket manager and during the day he's taking care of 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.640 the kids while Ariels at work. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.880 My boy two years old, and I'll talk about him 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.840 walking and trying to talk now and everything else. He 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.720 likes supermonsters. You know, I'm trying to teach him right. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.440 And this is all thanks to Leo taking the fucking 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.160 hit for my dad. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.520 Justin tells me he feels immense guilt about Leo Schofield. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.240 If I'm able to help Leo, it'll make me feel 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.240 uncomfortable about myself because I feel guilty even being alive. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.839 I'm not gonna lie like because think about it, the 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.200 dude lost his wife and had to go to jail 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.800 for thirty five years just to have the killer that 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.440 killed your wife son live. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.400 In the podcast, he heard his dad trying to tell 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.280 the truth about Michelle's murder to help absolve Leo. It 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.040 was the first time he ever heard his. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.480 Dad speak dude. When I heard my dad's voice. That 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.319 shit hit me because no one ever talks about my dad. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:21.079 Yeah, Justin told me growing up, his mom never spoke 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.760 about his dad at all. Nothing bad, nothing good, just nothing. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.760 But when he was around other family members, he'd catch 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:30.720 bits and pieces. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.240 You know, I didn't know my dad was, you know, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.040 from a young age. I listened. I'm not stupid, like 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.640 I knew he killed from a very young age. It's 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.640 just whenever I hear stories about him, is always something different. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.320 I don't know what's true or falls. 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.600 Yeah, as we talk, I get the sense that overnight, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.319 Justin has embarked on a delicate and complicated mission to 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.520 find out everything he can about his dad, however difficult, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.000 and to see if any of what he learns can 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.560 bolster his dad's confession and help Leo. A big part 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.560 of that mission is getting his mom, Jamie, to talk 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.520 to me. Among the texts he sent me were screenshots 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.800 of a Facebook conversation he had with her. He tells 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.400 her he just finished listening to the podcast, and he 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.880 floods the chat box between them with questions about Jeremy's murders, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.320 whether or not Jeremy really loved her, if he tried 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.480 to kill her. She answers his questions, and she tells 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.480 him that his dad only saw him once. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.200 We didn't want to attest. The first time he ever 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.640 cried in front of her was seeing me. He's never 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:35.360 once held me. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.800 I already knew something about Justin's mom, Jamie Nellams. She 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.360 was Jeremy's girlfriend around the time of Michelle Schofield's murder. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.920 While I was investigating Jeremy's crimes. I saw her name 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.160 in police reports, so Kelsey and I tried to talk 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.240 to her years ago. She even agreed to meet us 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:02.120 for lunch at a nearby restaurant County. She texted me 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.720 that she was on her way. We waited and waited, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.040 but Jamie never showed up and I never heard from 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.360 her again. But now, after hearing his dad talk for 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.960 the very first time, Justin was asking Jamie to talk 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.640 to me. In the messages to his mom, he talked 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:25.040 about hearing Jeremy's voice. He wrote, he sounded alone and afraid, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.480 always on guard. Trust issues. Weirded me out. How alike 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.679 we are. He wanted to know if she heard the 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:37.319 podcast too. She says, I haven't. I'm sorry, hon, I 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.720 can't bring myself to hear his voice again. He says, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.480 I understand fully, and when he tells her, I'm trying 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.480 to contact Gilbert King now and see what happens. She 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.959 says he tried to contact me a while back. I 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.160 wouldn't talk to him. I just couldn't do it. Later on, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.400 she says, my psych doctor thinks I should tell my 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:03.440 story to Gilbert King if it would be therapeutic. Justin 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.080 urges me to contact her again. He says, she wants 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:07.480 to talk. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:07.719 Now. 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.440 How are you feeling about this. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.559 Microphone and all that? It's it's it's okay. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:21.720 I'm a little. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:26.400 More okay with it now than I was. It's just, 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.400 you know, when all this first starting, and then I 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.559 spent so many years trying not to think about it 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.000 and not to talk about it. 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.800 Kelsey and I rent a hotel room for an interview 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.360 with Jamie. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.840 It was it was really rough there for a while 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:47.440 because I went through years of nightmares and the paranoia. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.920 Kelsey has arranged the room simply, three chairs, a table 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.880 in the middle, and two microphones set up. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.280 Yeah, I'm gonna say, if you don't mind. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.240 I sit down across from Jamie. She's dressed in jeans, 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.839 and a blouse, her short brown hair showing just a 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.600 hint of gray. She's visibly nervous as we settle around 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:13.000 the table doing this. I wanted to start slowly, assuming 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.319 she might have a hard time opening up. But as 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.480 she spoke, I realized that this was going to be 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.600 different from the Jamie I had come to know through 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.840 depositions and courtroom transcripts. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.559 Justin finally reached a point where he wanted to start 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:26.400 asking questions. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.480 In those formal settings, she was responding to lawyers focused 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.839 solely on the facts. Here, it became clear she was 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.199 responding to Justin. She was determined to give him the 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.600 answers he'd always wanted about his father's life and her own. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:50.520 If me dealing with my crap can help him, it's 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:57.280 worth it. It's worth it. I can deal with this 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.120 to help him. If it's just for me, I wouldn't 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.640 be doing this. I wouldn't be saying I'm just being real. 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.599 If it was just to do your book or just 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.040 to do a podcast or whatever, I wouldn't be sitting here. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.160 I'm doing this for Justin. I really am. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:35.200 Where were you born? 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.000 You know, what did your parents do for a living? 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.000 Just give us an idea of your growing up and 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:39.680 what you were doing. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:47.960 Okay, I can remember weekends at my grandmother's house. She 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.120 had thirteen kids, and there'd be like thirty of us, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.160 all as cousins. We'd go over on Friday, we'd stay 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.440 there to Sunday. The parents would all be in the 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.680 house playing canasta all weekend. They'd had their weekend marathon. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:03.960 The kids were outside playing. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.160 We used to play in the orange grow and Jamie, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.000 all of us be cousins. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.680 We would go over there and we would play like 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.320 freeze tag or you know, hide and seek, and you 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:14.760 know things like that in the orange growth. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.880 Jennifer Stone lived just two doors down from Jamie's grandma. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.080 We knew all the neighbors. All the neighbors knew all 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.680 the kids and who they belonged to. So if you 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.680 did something you weren't supposed to, your parents were going 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:27.280 to hear about it. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.880 When Jamie was seven, her mom married a strict and 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.800 controlling ex navy guy. By the time she turns seventeen, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.560 they're divorced and her mom gets a job as head 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.120 nurse at a local hospital. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.280 She worked to all of our chiefs, so we were 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.400 pretty much on our own. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.520 Jamie found herself experiencing a new sense of freedom, one 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.840 she'd never known before. With her stepfather out of the picture, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.120 she could finally breathe, and in that space there's a 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.040 quiet resistance to the controls she'd grown up under. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:05.440 Well, we found that club secret picture, a rave club 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.720 with no alcohol. It was a safe place for teenagers. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.920 They didn't let people over eighteen in and it was 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.360 a dance club. It had the flashing lights and the 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.840 neon lights, and we would wear the white shirts or 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.880 with the black lights, you know, it would kind of glow. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.080 One night in April nineteen eighty seven, Jamie sitting in 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.400 the chair right off the dance floor. She's got thick 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.000 brown hair and glasses like a wallflower, hiding off to 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.520 the side with her friend Maria when they see this 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.680 teenage boy enter the club. He's tall and thin, and 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.920 he moves with confidence and a quiet presence. It's hard 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.840 to ignore. His name is Jeremy Scott. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.440 None of us had ever seen him before, and he's 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.120 heading toward them. Well, when I first met him, the 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.560 first thing I thought was his eyes. He had the 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:04.320 most purecing eye. They would just like look into you, 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.080 and I remember sitting in the chairs and he was 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.520 wearing all black, so you couldn't really see him, but 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.960 you could see his eyes and he was just staring 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.000 at me. And I can remember being nervous, you know, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.640 because I'd never had a boyfriend before and never really talked. 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:28.200 I was so shy, so shy mad. And I remember 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.879 him kicking my chair and saying, you want to dance? 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:39.200 And we danced and that that was it. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.879 At the end of the night, Jeremy walked her to 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:48.320 her car. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.360 I had a big seventy three Cutlas Supreme. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.000 Jamie's friend Maria, leaned on one side of the car with. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.959 Her boyfriend and they were hugging and kissing and stuff. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.320 Well, Jeremy and Jamie settled by the driver's. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.320 Side and we just kind of stood there awkwardly for 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.320 a few minutes, and he asked if next Friday i'd 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.440 meet him at the mall. Well, I was kind of 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.120 iffy because the ones that went to the mall were 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.440 the type of kids that didn't go to secrets, you know. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.360 These were the smokers and the drinkers, and that's where 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.360 the cops would always show up, was at the mall. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.160 But I said, yeah, I'd meet him at the mall, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:30.840 and I did. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.119 From what I've learned about Jeremy, secret seems like the 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.080 last place he'd want to be. Tight supervision, no alcohol, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.360 and parents hovering just outside. So a few nights later, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.000 Jamie meets up with Jeremy at one of his usual 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.040 spots behind the Lakeland Mall. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.600 Now, when I met him at the mall, I asked 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.040 him where he was staying at, and he said he 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.600 was staying downtown. He did ask me for a ride home, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.159 and I had dropped him off at this house. And 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.640 I remember looking at this house and thinking it looked abandoned, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.920 like nobody lived there, like it was falling apart. But 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.680 there was lights on upstairs, there was people staying there. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:23.440 It was all kids like him. They were hijacking electricity 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:28.840 off the apartment complex behind it with cords, so that's 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:33.640 how they had lights on. So, come to find out, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.360 that's where he stayed out a lot, and that's where 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.440 he would take me a lot of times, was to 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.720 abandon houses. And that's where you know, he'd be like, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.320 you're staying with me tonight, and we'd go downtown and 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.280 find an abandoned building and we'd climb in and go 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.040 to sleep, And here I got a nice townhouse and 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:57.480 bed waiting for me at home, and I'm in love, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.920 you know, And honestly, if I want to be honest, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:01.920 it was kind of exciting. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.120 Jeremy's hanging out with people like this guy named Rambo Stocky, 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.719 twenty something who wears Camo, rides a motorcycle, and who 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.479 spent some time in the Polk County jail and burglary charges. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:15.399 They were not my people. 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.080 Jamie's childhood friend, Jennifer was less than impressed with Jamie's 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:20.720 new boyfriend. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.080 I wasn't comfortable with the people that he was with, 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.600 and I never understood what she saw in him, to 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:35.880 be honest with you, they were, you know, the headbanging 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.240 rock and roller, you know, the drugging type was what 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.760 we referred to him as they were just looking at them. Okay, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.800 so very judgmental, but being an adult now, I would 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.800 say a bunch of loadlifes. But she was my friend, 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.080 you know, we were young but dumb kids. 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.240 She was in love Jamie spending more and more time 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.520 trying to understand Jeremy's secret off the grid world. She 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.879 wants to know more about him and the people who 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:05.800 matter in his life. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.240 He talked a lot about his grandmother. He talked a 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.520 lot about his grandfather and how they used to call 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:17.000 him Jeremiah, and that Jeremiah was a bullfrog. That was 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.000 his grandfather's favorite song, and they called him Bam Bam, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.320 and they thought it was so cute because he'd beat 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.960 everything up with sticks and stuff and thought it was funny. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.359 As we talk with Jamie, since she was allowing herself 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.440 to remember not just the painful truth Justin would have 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.680 to confront about his father, but perhaps for the first 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.720 time in decades, she was willing to think about why 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:41.760 she'd once been drawn to Jeremy Scott. 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.520 Jeremy had that good side, and he had that funny side, 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:51.560 and he could be sweet and caring, and you know, 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.800 he had that good in him. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:54.800 I saw it. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.400 But Jamie also found herself doing things for Jeremy, things 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.840 she never would have imagined doing before she met him. 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.639 At first, it wasn't anything too bad, just sort of weird. 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.000 I had money, you know, all I had to do 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.480 was ask. But he would take me and we'd go 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.440 donate plasma and we'd do that three times a week. 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.879 It's not unlike giving blood to the Red Cross. They 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.640 go into a harsh, fluorescent lit room where people wait 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.960 in long lines, trading the plasma and their blood for cash. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.119 And I know the first time he took me, it 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.280 was like one hundred dollars for being a first time donor, 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.520 they pay you a large amount. But then after that, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.480 I think it was like twenty five first time, fifteen 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.920 the second time, and ten the third time, so it 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.679 was like fifty bucks something like that, and then as 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.400 soon as we get done, I'd give him the money. 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:58.159 It's like they live in separate worlds. Well, Jamie rollerskates 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.880 with friends. Jeremy's getting drunk in the park. Well she's 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.560 in school. He's breaking into houses and pawning whatever he can. 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.760 And we hadn't been together a while, and we weren't 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.639 together all the time. I mean, this is a thing 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:14.679 you've got to understand. I would see him for two 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.240 or three days, and then I wouldn't see him for 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.159 three or four months. And then i'd see him for 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.000 two or three days, and then I wouldn't see him 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.840 for six weeks. He didn't have a house phone, he 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.040 didn't have a house, so he'd either call me from 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.840 a payphone, or I wentn't hear from him, And when 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.520 he would show up, he'd call from a paythone, Hey, 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.120 meet me down the road. Then when I would see him, 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:43.040 it was constant. He was right there in my face, constant, 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.560 and I couldn't go anywhere do anything without him right there. 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.920 One day, Jeremy tells Jamie he wants to take a 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.840 trip a few hours north. Jeremy gets behind the wheel, 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.400 even though he doesn't have a license. 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.600 He was wanting me to meet his mom. I hadn't 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:10.400 met his mom yet. 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.520 After hours of driving, they finally make it to Perry, Florida. 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.520 Jeremy pulls into a gas station where his mother, Linda 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:19.080 is working. 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.879 It was the only gas station in the hotel. And 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.000 I can remember us pulling up to the hess station 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:31.960 and her coming out, and her exact words were, what 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:38.240 the eff are you doing here? And I just kind 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.560 of sat there and shock, you know, I'm like, I'm like, oh, 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:46.639 this is his mom. And he turned around and he 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.159 got back in the car and we drove down the 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:50.800 road and he pulled off the side of the road 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.560 and I looked at him and I said, are you okay? 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:58.479