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Speaker 2: In a pretty surprising out come, Philadelphia beats Dallas twenty

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Speaker 2: four to twenty.

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Speaker 3: I would argue that.

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Speaker 2: If Cede Lamb makes that catch, Dallas wins the football game.

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Speaker 2: Ceed Lamb was CD lame. He had a really really

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Speaker 2: bad night. But I thought Philadelphia did a better job

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Speaker 2: with second half adjustments. And that's the ball game I

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Speaker 2: thought overall. I was pretty blown away. Now, Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: comes into this game, He's got the better offensive line,

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Speaker 2: he's got Saquon Barkley, and he has a at least

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Speaker 2: a head coach that he's very familiar with. They have

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Speaker 2: a new oc Kellen Morris gone. And it was kind

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Speaker 2: of an unimpressive kind of second half adjustment for the Eagles. Offensively,

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Speaker 2: I have they make great defensive adjustments to get pressure,

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Speaker 2: but there's a big advantage Jalen Hurts O line, Saquon

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Speaker 2: Barkley at home, and they looked unbelievable in the first half.

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Speaker 2: Three drives two hundred plus yards, three TD. Eagles were flawless.

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Speaker 2: And everybody points to, well, what about what about Micah? Well,

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys could not stop the Eagles twice last year

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Speaker 2: with Micah so and I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 3: I saw.

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Speaker 2: I saw this last year today, the Cowboys versus the

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Speaker 2: Eagles without Micah, without Micah one sack in five quarterback hits.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys last game with the Eagles with Micah one

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Speaker 2: sack and one quarterback hit. Micah wasn't the difference. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So in the first half, I mean Philadelphia did this

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Speaker 2: twice the Dallas last year, and they did it to

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Speaker 2: Kansas City and the Super Bowl. That offensive line gets

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Speaker 2: rolling Saquon Barkley, those receivers, they didn't even use aj Brown,

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Speaker 2: barely looked at him in the first half, and were

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Speaker 2: up and down the field with or without Micah. At

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Speaker 2: one point Chris Collins were said, this is the Micah effect. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's Mike's real literally talented. But I didn't

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Speaker 2: think that was the ballgame. I think that what blew

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Speaker 2: me away with that, especially in the first half. Dak

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Speaker 2: got excellent protection. They don't have a great running back room,

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Speaker 2: They're not going to be a great run team, but

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Speaker 2: they opened some rush lanes. And yes, Jalen Carter's absence

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just no question.

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Speaker 2: He is the dominant interior defensive lineman along with Chris

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Speaker 2: Jones in the NFL of the Chiefs. So, but I

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Speaker 2: thought Dallas in the first half, Dak had time, the

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Speaker 2: wide receivers got excellent separation. George Pickens looks like he's

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Speaker 2: a real asset. Although he had a really really bad penalty.

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Speaker 2: It ended up the Cowboys fumble the first turnover of

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Speaker 2: the season, but it pushed Dallas back, and who knows

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Speaker 2: how that drive transpires if they don't get pushed back

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Speaker 2: on the Pickens penalty. But George Pickens is going to

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Speaker 2: because Philadelphi's got a great secondary. But I thought dallas

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Speaker 2: Is o line held up very well. Dak had a

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Speaker 3: Really really well. They didn't move him much.

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Speaker 2: He sat in the pocket at this point in his career,

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Speaker 2: he's a pocket quarterback. But I thought he was very,

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Speaker 2: So I think, if you're Philadelphia, you made excellent second

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Speaker 2: impressed with Dallas Philadelphia one back to back tush push.

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Speaker 2: I think if you put Saquon Barkley on the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: a different outcome. I thought Saquon's ability to you know,

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Speaker 3: Just for picking up three.

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Speaker 2: Yards on a play that should should lose a yard.

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Speaker 2: It's not as long runs that make him exceptional. It's

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Speaker 2: the catches out of the backfield. It's taking you know,

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Speaker 2: and he got he got, you know, Philadelphia, out of

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Speaker 2: little jams throughout the course of the game. Wiggle here,

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Speaker 2: Saquon was voted the best player in the league by

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Speaker 2: players in a recent poll. He's just a sensational talent

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Speaker 2: and he does all the little things. Well, he can

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Speaker 2: pick up a blitz one handed catch. But overall, I

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Speaker 2: think if you're Dallas, you have to feel great. I

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Speaker 2: mean they've got one of the best kickers in the league.

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Speaker 2: Their offensive line in the first half held up. I

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Speaker 2: like the game plan, Dak look comfortable. Their receivers created separation. Again,

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Speaker 2: they're the road team, They're the team of the new

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Speaker 2: coaching staff, George Pickens, the new player. Mike is not there.

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Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs didn't practice much, and Dallas had a very

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Speaker 2: good performance. Ceedee Lamb catches the ball. They win the game,

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Speaker 2: so listen. It's game one. For a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 2: Make any sweeping A general comment about a Jalen Carter

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Speaker 2: out changes Philadelphia's rush defense. Secondly, you're tired in the

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Speaker 2: second half, I thought Dallas is. I thought Dallas looked

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Speaker 2: that on line leaning on you longer drives by Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: But overall, I mean Dallas's d line. Mozzie Smith was

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Speaker 2: You know, Mike is no longer there. Kenny Clarkman in

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Speaker 2: nice play He's a nice addition. But you know, considering

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of depth up front. That's encouraging

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Speaker 2: numbers here. Philadelphia's second half offensive game plan kind of uninspiring. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's week one, new coordinator. I don't quite know how

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Speaker 2: to feel about it. Philadelphia was I mean, Jalen Carter spitting.

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Speaker 2: They had four very early penalties, four early penalties in

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Speaker 2: the first half personal fouls of Philadelphia wasn't tight and

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Speaker 2: it almost cost him. Yeah, I mean, in the end,

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia had one hundred and fifty eight yards rushing. You

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Speaker 2: don't lose a lot of games in this league with

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty eight yards rushing. But Dallas, you know,

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Speaker 2: Dallas has twenty four first downs. Dallas averaged five and

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Speaker 2: good about that. Dallas had more total yards, more passing

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Speaker 2: seven for eleven on third down, had only four penalties.

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Speaker 2: I mean Mike McCarthy's teams were penalty plagued, only one

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Speaker 2: turnover in the game. Now Philadelphia again more rushing yards total,

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Speaker 2: and in the second half they pulled away in time

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Speaker 2: but overall, I would give the Eagles a B plus

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Speaker 2: to B plus. New coaching staff on the road first game.

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Speaker 2: I mean last year, I just didn't like Dallas's offensive line.

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Speaker 2: I thought there was real growth. If you're a Cowboy fan,

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Speaker 2: I thought you had to be encouraged with the protection

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott got, especially in the first half, and Dak

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Speaker 2: revisit the Dallas schedule tomorrow. On FS one, I was

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Speaker 2: the Eagles. So Philadelphia sloppy, maintained a lead at home,

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Speaker 2: won a game. I feel I feel differently about the

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Speaker 2: you like college football, and I've been watching Josh paid

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Speaker 2: It's just knowledge and prep and work. He is newly married,

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Speaker 2: he's got a beautiful wife, he's got an incredible job,

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Speaker 2: shit is rolling right now, is Josh. It is a

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Speaker 2: pleasure to have you on. So I don't like criticizing

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Speaker 2: you're a professional. Whatever level you play at, you're a professional.

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Speaker 2: And Arch Manning can handle it. And I said, listen,

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Speaker 2: Mahomes just have bad halves, bad Super Bowls. But with

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Speaker 2: you know, it's you know, really second tier programs. But

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's just a hey, it was jitters.

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Speaker 2: I had some concerns. I can't unsee it, and I

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Speaker 2: know that's punitive and harsh, but this is manning. I

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Speaker 2: It was kind of jarring, was it not.

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Speaker 1: I specially think if you bought into I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like the superheroification of him over the spring in summer,

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Speaker 1: you think about this. He has only just now become

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Speaker 1: Sarks really just open about stuff, especially when you get

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Speaker 1: him off the record that staff and the feedback wasn't oh,

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Speaker 1: we're worried about it. The feedback was we really hope

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Speaker 1: that the world's realistic about what we're doing here, about

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Speaker 1: never expected it to be like you know, the preview magazine,

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Speaker 1: I think the jarring part for me I was up there,

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Speaker 2: basically they did it. They were just the smartest staff

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Speaker 2: So I want to get into the Micah Parsons trade,

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Speaker 2: and this is why I supported what the Cowboys did.

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Speaker 2: As you know and our fans know, everybody has different windows.

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Speaker 2: There are different windows for companies, for teams, for franchises,

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Speaker 2: don't want to get married. They want to be all career.

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Speaker 2: We all have different windows and timelines. So Dallas the

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Speaker 2: last two free agency periods, John had no flexibility. And

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Speaker 2: my take is in the NFL, that's one of the

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Speaker 2: reasons the Chiefs let Tyreek Hill go and why Howie

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Speaker 2: Roseman is constantly letting good players going. The great ones,

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Speaker 2: but he's always making deals because how he wants flexibility. Well,

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Speaker 2: the last two years the Cowboys have had none of it.

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Speaker 2: What would they have had if they signed Micah to

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Speaker 2: forty seven million? Now they offered him forty but like

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Speaker 2: this team could not pay Derek Henry eight million, and

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Speaker 2: they had unquestionably the worst running back room in the league.

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Speaker 2: So my take is they liked Micah, they offered him

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Speaker 2: forty but to get two firsts. That's now four first

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Speaker 2: in the next two years. And by the way, after

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Speaker 2: watching nuss Meyer and a Sam Levitt, the quarterback in

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Speaker 2: Arizona State, if they end up being one of the

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Speaker 2: six to seven worst teams, they may be able to

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Speaker 2: get a quarterback with their first pick and the next

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Speaker 2: Micah with their next pick in the first round. I

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Speaker 2: mean they this is a draft where if you're drafting

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Speaker 2: in the top eight, you don't have to move up

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Speaker 2: to get potentially a really good quarterback. So green Bay

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Speaker 2: in an incredibly deep, well coached offensive division with Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 2: Matt lefflur Ben Johnson, green Bay needs a playmaker on

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Speaker 2: the edge to get offenses off the field, and they

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Speaker 2: you know in our lifetime take out Reggie White. They

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Speaker 2: just don't have. Kenny Clark's a good interior defender against

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Speaker 2: the run. Cowboys can't stop the run. Kenny Clark comes in,

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Speaker 2: Green Bay needs a playmaker on the edge to get

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Speaker 2: offenses off the field and get it back to Matt

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Speaker 2: Lafleur and Jordan Love. So I thought it worked for

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Speaker 2: both teams. Dallas's defense was bad with Micah, it'll be

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Speaker 2: atrocious without him. But my take is the time to

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Speaker 2: move a superstar is in a rebuild year, and isn't

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Speaker 2: it clearly a rebuild year?

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Speaker 5: Well, can we just lay one thing on the table,

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Speaker 5: is because most of the reaction has been pretty universal,

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Speaker 5: how could you trade Micah Parsons. There are untradeable players

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Speaker 5: in the history of this league. You know, Walter Payton,

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Speaker 5: Reggie White, Deon Sanders, guys in their prime. They're just unsoppable.

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Speaker 5: That is not you can run at Micah Parsons. He

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Speaker 5: is not Reggie White. He's not even the best player

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Speaker 5: at his position in the league.

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Speaker 2: No, by the way, you could argue, initially John somebody

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Speaker 2: they put him in a stack linebacker inside, and that

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Speaker 2: people didn't think he had good eyes. They didn't think

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Speaker 2: he anticipated well, so they pretty much let him be

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Speaker 2: a pass rusher. Well, he's not as big as Hutches

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Speaker 2: and he's not as big as Miles Here, I would

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Speaker 2: argue he's a bit undersized, but they let him kind

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Speaker 2: of play that see the ball, attack the ball position.

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Speaker 3: And it works.

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Speaker 5: But he's a tradeable player. He's a great athlete. He's

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Speaker 5: an instinctive pass rusher. But you know, if there's seventy

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Speaker 5: plays in the game, they're not all seventy pass attempts

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Speaker 5: on third and ten. So we've seen in the playoffs

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Speaker 5: people run at him. That being said, I think the

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Speaker 5: issue that I have with this situation is anytime you

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Speaker 5: trade a player of this magnitude, like they did with

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Speaker 5: Khalil Mack too, right before that you're getting future first

581
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Speaker 5: round picks. You have no clue where they're going to be.

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Speaker 5: They could be excellent. We saw with Russell Wilson they

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Speaker 5: ended up and Matt Stafford trade. They go really high

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Speaker 5: because the team has an injury, but they also could

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Speaker 5: be back to back picks in the mid twenties. When

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Speaker 5: you trade a guy before the draft one, you have

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Speaker 5: more people coming to the table to be interested in

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Speaker 5: the trade because there's more teams with cap room and

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Speaker 5: you can know exactly at least that given year where

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Speaker 5: that pick lands, so you can value it. I do

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Speaker 5: feel it was Do you think there was any influence

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Speaker 5: on Jerry with this documentary coming out, because you watched

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Speaker 5: that documentary Go God Jerry and just hated that guy

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Speaker 5: was sharp, The guy was a maverick, that guy was willing,

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Speaker 5: and Jerry's kind of been a lot of people rightfully.

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Speaker 5: Sullivan like, yeah, Jerry's kind of scared to do deals

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Speaker 5: because a lot of people. I bet my four on

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Speaker 5: one k my aggression looks a lot different than yours.

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Speaker 5: I mean, looks a lot different than the guy that's

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Speaker 5: seventy five years old. But Jerry is just at a

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Speaker 5: point in time in his life. But I wonder if

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Speaker 5: he's like, oh, you think I won't do this, And

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Speaker 5: obviously once Micah, you can't convince me. When Micah showed

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Speaker 5: up eating nachos and then laid on the train. You know,

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Speaker 5: Jerry's old, stubborn and the deal wasn't going that well

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Speaker 5: in terms of the negotiation. It was kind of like

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Speaker 5: a double f you. So he's just like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 5: willing to trade him.

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Speaker 2: Micah's agent is also an agent that has gotten his

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Speaker 2: client's good money and a lot of I think he's

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Speaker 2: the Shawn Watson's agent, if I recall, so he signed

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Speaker 2: a couple of deals where the teams look back a

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Speaker 2: year later and don't like the deal. Now, I do

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Speaker 2: think Micah off the edge is exactly.

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Speaker 3: What green Bay needs. Again.

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, Kevin O'Connell, you know Dan Campbell and that

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Speaker 2: old line. These offenses can keep your offense off the field.

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Speaker 2: So like, I like what green Bay did. And the

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Speaker 2: been able to build good football teams. I mean they

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Speaker 2: for years they only drafted defense in the first round,

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Speaker 2: and yet they had great old lines and excellent tight ends.

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Speaker 2: And green Bay drafts and develops very well. Second round,

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Speaker 2: third round, fourth round. You know, there are teams in

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Speaker 2: this league and when Bill Pollion ran the Colts, they

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Speaker 2: nailed their first two picks every time. Middle rounds man,

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Speaker 2: but green Bay has shown a history to pick up

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Speaker 2: starters in the fourth and fifth and sixth round in

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Speaker 2: over the last thirty years. So I think what they're

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Speaker 2: telling you. Green Bay likes this roster and they think

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Speaker 2: they got about a two to three year window to

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people, if you're a Packer fan,

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Speaker 5: big swing? And now they finally do it with Jordan Love.

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Speaker 5: We'll see if it works out. I like the Packers

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Speaker 5: before this move. I text a lot of people in

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645
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: he's not like a troublemaker or anything, but Mike Parsons isn't.

646
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: Albert Breer reported about this when CD, when Zach Martin,

647
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: when Dak went through this, the locker room loves the guy.

648
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: That was not the reaction internally according to this, And

649
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: I had a GM who's very successful text me like, listen,

650
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: green Bay, their organizational culture has been.

651
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: A lead for thirty years.

652
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 5: It's been very consistent. It's just an easy place to operate.

653
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 5: They're bringing in Micah, who comes from a culture where

654
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 5: it's just all over the map in Dallas, do the

655
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: same thing in the Micah Parsons bringing him in there.

656
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 5: He is now making way more money than everybody. They

657
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: have an unproven, you know, still quarterback who you know

658
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: your quarterback is always kind of the leader of the team.

659
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 5: He's like, it is just there is some risk involved

660
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: when you factor in the finances, when you factor in

661
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 5: this big personality.

662
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: He now is the face of the team.

663
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 5: It's just it's a pretty big it would have been.

664
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 5: His point was, like, it would have been easier if

665
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 5: if you had Aaron, even if this guy at the time,

666
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 5: whatever the economics were, was making more than Aaron. But

667
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 5: Aaron's the face of the team. Mike is now immediately

668
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 5: the face of the team. Say what you want about

669
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: the Cowboys before this trade, Like still Dak was when

670
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 5: you turn on Sunday night football, is Dak's face, Like,

671
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 5: it's not even a question Micah Parsons.

672
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: So let's just we'll see.

673
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 5: Now they feel pretty good about their infrastructure. Xavier McKinney.

674
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 5: There are some questions fit right in. There's a big

675
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 5: difference though, in the amount of money Xavier McKinney's making

676
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 5: and this guy who knows he's untouchable.

677
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

678
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Micah's a personality. You see it in the podcast.

679
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: I think he's not going to get in trouble in

680
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Green Bay and not like you got in a lot

681
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: of trouble in Dallas. But you know, Micah, Mike is

682
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: a personality. And I think when you have a week

683
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: coaching staff or a week head coach, which Schottenheimer is,

684
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: I think my take was if this team started one

685
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: in five and you signed Mike into a big deal

686
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: like Dallas, is going to be atrocious, I really do.

687
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: I think I don't.

688
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: Acting like they just traded Lawrence Taylor because that's not

689
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 5: what they just did.

690
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 3: Well, they weren't any good.

691
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: Well, here's the other thing. If you were paying Dak

692
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: forty four instead of what you're paying him, then you

693
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: could have won. Then you guys could have met at

694
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: forty five million. All the problems here start. And we

695
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 2: know this, John, it's hard to win when you pay

696
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen top of the market salary. Okay, it's it's hard.

697
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: You're not going to have that second slot receiver or

698
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: that third really dependable you know, uh, interior lineback, you lose.

699
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: I mean you've seen this over the last couple of

700
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: years that Buffalo has moved off multiple veteran players in

701
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: the second.

702
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: Half their team last year.

703
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and that's and they're still winning with Josh Allen.

704
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: And Josh Allen took a reasonably team friendly deal. Dak

705
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: is a B quarterback making a plus money, so you are,

706
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: and he's he needs an entourage. He is not Josh

707
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Allen Lamar. So this the problems all stem from you

708
00:35:51,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: massively overpaid a B quarterback. And so I mean, we people,

709
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: and this is the case. The younger the media people,

710
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: the more they report pay the player. They're always pro player.

711
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: I have learned something over my life that like the

712
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: Rams could not trade Jared Verse, like this kid was

713
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: defensive Rookie of the Year. Like everybody's got a guy,

714
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: even take out the quarterback. There's a guy like Sakuon

715
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: Barkley to Philadelphia.

716
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 3: They could win if he left. But boys with Jalen.

717
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: Hurts in the pocket sometimes a little tenuous. If you

718
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: trust him, they're just guys you can't move. I will

719
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: defend the Cede Lamb contract. I think he's a top

720
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: five or six receiver. He's a playmaker. I just I

721
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: wasn't comfortable making Mike of the highest paid defensive end.

722
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: I've seen him in a couple of playoff games. He

723
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: has been invisible in those games against better offensive linemen because.

724
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: They run right at him, and that's not I think.

725
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: So, how do I pay a guy?

726
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Now?

727
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: I get what the Packers need. I think it's easy

728
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 5: for Jerry to go, well, I'm gonna give a guy

729
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: forty seven. I'm gonna match this contract for a guy

730
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 5: who's a liability in the run game, and the Packers

731
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 5: need that, and Rashawn Gary is a much more complete player.

732
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: I also defend the Cowboys the timing.

733
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: I don't.

734
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 5: I mean, I would have traded him before the draft,

735
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: but clearly they weren't planning on doing it then. Right,

736
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 5: he thought he could get a deal done at forty

737
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 5: million dollars, But when you trade him now, they go,

738
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 5: how did they only get that? Well, as someone told

739
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 5: me in the league a couple of years ago, they said,

740
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 5: this isn't the NBA, but players now have more juice

741
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 5: than they ever had. Twenty years ago, a team would

742
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: have been like, hey, even if the contract's not done,

743
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 5: we will trade for this player if you're over him,

744
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 5: and we'll figure it out. We have his control. Teams

745
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 5: are not doing that anymore. So if I'm going to

746
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: trade multiple ones, there has to be signed at the

747
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 5: bottom line. Well, so Micah Parsons kind of controlled had

748
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: a big part in mulgeda in where he went because

749
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: you go, well, you could have got more from Team X,

750
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 5: who the Lions, the Raiders, whoever, they would have given.

751
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: Two ones, two twos and a player.

752
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: Well, if they were offering twenty million dollars less than

753
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 5: the Packers salary, he goes, well, I'm not signing that

754
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: contract when this contract's on the table. So let's just

755
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 5: say there was another team willing to pay an extra

756
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 5: high draft pick, but they are the money. They go,

757
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: we're not paying them forty seven million a year and

758
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty guaranteed. We'll give them a hundred

759
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 5: and twenty guaranteed. Well, he's like, I'm not signing that. Well,

760
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 5: then they're not going to trade him there right cause

761
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 5: that team's like, well the trade doesn't it's not on

762
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 5: the table then, so Parsons. You know there was an

763
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 5: NBA element if he got to dictate a little bit

764
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: where he went, because you were going to sign the

765
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 5: contract the moment you traded him Khalil Mack several years ago.

766
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 5: The Bears, they signed when the trade is done. So

767
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 5: the contract is a huge part of the negotiation. So

768
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 5: when I see all these people, how did the Cowboys

769
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: only get this because Parsons dictated the terms by the

770
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 5: contract And clearly I would imagine some of the teams

771
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: very interested, were nowhere near in the ballpark of what

772
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 5: the Packers gave him. And this is what makes the

773
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 5: NFL so unique. This team without an owner in the

774
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 5: middle of nowhere, can pay historic amount of money like

775
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: the opposite of baseball.

776
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: Which is cool and.

777
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 5: It's part of the NFL, but pretty risky deal. I mean,

778
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: this is I give Gutakins a lot of credit, but

779
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: he's kind of laying it all out there on the

780
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 5: table on this one.

781
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: Okay. So I want to go through.

782
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we'll do this on a

783
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: on a weekly bit, but I want to go through

784
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: the NFL.

785
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: Week one. Odds Now, I'm going to throw a couple

786
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: of games at you.

787
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: And.

788
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: Just a couple of games that I looked at and

789
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: they kind of jumped out to me. So you know

790
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: my feeling on Seattle. I like Sam Darnold, but I

791
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: also think this is a really good coach. And so

792
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: one of the lines that confuses me a little bit

793
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: is that Seattle at home is getting two and a

794
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: half points. Give me your take on the Niners' health.

795
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: I mean, they have real issues at wide receiver. So

796
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: if they're gonna beat Seattle, it's going to be some

797
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: running games. You're not throwing the ball downfield a ton

798
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: on Seattle, and I think Seattle's pass rush is going

799
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 2: to be pretty good. I'm surprised. It's My favorite pick

800
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: of the week is Seattle at home plus points. First

801
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: of all to division rivalry, so these games are always close,

802
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: so I love taking even average Pittsburgh teams historically can

803
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: cover against much better Baltimore rosters division games. I generally

804
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: take the points, but Seattle, I think top to bottom

805
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: has more athletes in their prime. Hufunga, gone Greenlawn, gone

806
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey not in their prime. I think

807
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: Seattle has more athletes in their prime. Are you surprised

808
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: by that line.

809
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 5: I think the market believes that Seattle's not going to

810
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 5: be that great because they're five to one to win

811
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 5: the division and the forty nine ers are like plus

812
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 5: one fifty. So based on the divisional odds, they are

813
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 5: a heavy long shot. If you look at every division,

814
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: they by far are the only team that has been

815
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 5: good the last several years. Nine wins, ten wins, and

816
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 5: it feels like Vegas gives them no chance to win.

817
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 5: And this is a good example, Juwan Jennings. This wasn't

818
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 5: practice today, so they've rekindled. So you got Juwan Jennings

819
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: back with pearsall Kittle, you know, McCaffrey like they actually

820
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: are offensively in theory healthy, Trent Williams Perdy coming into

821
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 5: this game. Yeah, I just think the market is pretty

822
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: low on Seattle. You and I are high on them.

823
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 5: My problem is whenever I bet on the Niners aggressively

824
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: Super Bowls, they've bit me in the ass, and whenever

825
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: I bet against them, they always come through and win.

826
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 5: So I just I kind of stay away from the Niners.

827
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 5: But to me, there is not a better long shot

828
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 5: on the board to win their division than five to

829
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 5: one Seattle. They won ten games last year. They had

830
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 5: the same amount of wins as the team that we

831
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 5: treat the Rams like. They're thirteen to fourteen win team.

832
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 5: They won ten They won ten games last year. I

833
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: think they won ten games the year before, and we

834
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 5: just we hold them to highest team rightfully so, because

835
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 5: they have a really good coach. Quarterbacks back in major trouble.

836
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: The forty nine ers at any moment, half their team

837
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 5: can be on injury reserve. I do not trust Kyler.

838
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: It is by far of the value that there's not

839
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 5: a better on the board. And I'm with you, Seattle

840
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 5: can get weird. I do think divisional games Week one

841
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: can be hard to bet. Like I do think the

842
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 5: forty nine ers are going to be pretty solid this year.

843
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: I think they got for the first time in the

844
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: year is kind of a chip on their shoulder, kind

845
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: of get to fly under the radar a little bit.

846
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: Sam Darnold's you know, this is a first start with

847
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 5: a new team. Offense a little different than what you know.

848
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 5: Kevin o'connoll likes to pass a lot, which is sam blite.

849
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: I mean, was they had justin Jefferson Kubiak like his

850
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 5: dad like Kyle, He's gonna call a lot of runs.

851
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: If they can run the ball, they're going to be

852
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: really good play defense. But what to see I mean

853
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 5: their run game, you know, Kenneth Walker, be healthy, Sharvion Ay,

854
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: we like.

855
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: But Designers brought in Robert Sala and the reason being

856
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: is they don't have the same personnel. I mean no,

857
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: if Bosa's dinged up, it's Fred Warner and cross your fingers.

858
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: It is really an I mean, I think we look

859
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 2: at the Niners and we just sometimes you fall into

860
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: this romance because for about four years they just had

861
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: incredible defensive personnel.

862
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: They don't on the back end right now.

863
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think they're gonna need kind of

864
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: like the Rams. Two years ago, you didn't know who

865
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: after the roster was, and then a couple of years

866
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 5: later that they are just solidified players on defense, not

867
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: counting verse. You know who they drafted high, but a

868
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: lot of mid round, late round picks. They're gonna need

869
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 5: that to happen. And that's what the forty nine ers

870
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 5: did originally, right Kittle fifth round pick, Greenlaw fifth round pick, Perty.

871
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 5: So they've hit on a lot of late round picks.

872
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 5: That's how you get good in the NFL. The Ravens

873
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: let a lot of guys hit free agency, why because

874
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 5: they crushed the third through the seventh rounds, Because that's

875
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 5: where you make your hay in the end. Obviously you

876
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: got to hit on first round picks. But when you

877
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 5: get good in the NFL, it's hard to pick in

878
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 5: the twenties. That's the one thing a lot of people

879
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 5: are saying about the my could trade. It's like, well,

880
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: the Packers just good back to back of years. That's

881
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: pick twenty five and twenty eight, right, It's hard to

882
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 5: hit on those picks.

883
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 4: Ask Jerry.

884
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 5: When they started winning games with McCarthy, they're drafting Tyler Geidon,

885
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith. It's a lot harder to It's much easier

886
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 5: to draft in the top five when Jamar Chase or

887
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 5: Piney Sewell or Jayden Daniels is staring at you. So

888
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: I like Seattle this year. This game to me is

889
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 5: just I don't know, you convince me. Niners win. Seattle wins,

890
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 5: Seattle kicks their ass. The Niners are into That's why

891
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 5: Week one. Like I like a lot of like the Titans,

892
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 5: you know, the Panthers. I like teams like that Week

893
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 5: one that everyone just thinks they're gonna suck. Some of

894
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 5: the times these divisional games like Giants Commanders like, I'm

895
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 5: had to stay away from me.

896
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

897
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: If you tell me Giants win, I could, I could

898
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 5: see it. Cowboys are the one that's like, I have

899
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 5: a hard time seeing them win.

900
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, teams.

901
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: Convince themselves, even if they're Tennessee, they convince themselves they're

902
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: a playoff team. By week four or five, you start

903
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: losing guys, and everybody in the room knows. But yeah,

904
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 2: Tennessee getting over a touchdown the hook. I'd stay away

905
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: from that one. The other game that's fascinating to me

906
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: is it does matter you're allowed in Green Bay or

907
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: a Jacksonville or maybe a Seattle to have really ugly losses.

908
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: You're not going to get crushed Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago.

909
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: It's loud, so.

910
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: Chicago's an underdog at home getting a point and a

911
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: half against Minnesota, and Minnesota's a mystery team. I don't

912
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: know what JJ McCarthy is. I really do not know.

913
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: I've heard enough from people I trust. I got text

914
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: by somebody I really trust. A few weeks ago. He

915
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: said it's a work in progress, but if Chicago loses

916
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: at home, it'll be a huge, huge night in Chicago.

917
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: That shit could unarrival fast, really fast. If you had

918
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: to make a prediction, what do you think the Bears

919
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: and Caleb look like? Forget winning and losing. I mean,

920
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: they're the underdog at home, which I kind of like

921
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: that position, But what do you think it will look like.

922
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be really hard. I mean,

923
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: Caleb is much more talented of a thrower. But I

924
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: think there could be some parallels to the situation that

925
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: we saw with Arch in Texas trying to play offense

926
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 5: against Patricia. I mean, Flores is one of, if not

927
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 5: the best defensive coordinator in the league right now. Their

928
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: personnel has actually improved from last year. I like Minnesota

929
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 5: in this game, but I like you, I don't expect

930
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 5: hard to say JJ's gonna come out and throw three

931
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 5: or four touchdowns. We'll see Chicago's defense a little overrated.

932
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: Are they quite as good as we thought they were

933
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 5: going to be like a year ago? I don't know,

934
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: but I could see them like I expect this to

935
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 5: be a lower scoring like seventeen to fourteen type game,

936
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 5: and if in that situation, I'm just gonna take Flores

937
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: in Minnesota and Kevin O'Connell, I mean, he's just listen.

938
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 5: First game at home gets a little weird if you

939
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: have a couple of three and outs, Like in a

940
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 5: moment like this, you're gonna need some positive early momentum

941
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: because if the crowd gets a little weird, if you

942
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 5: have a couple that first try. I get it was

943
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 5: a preseason game against the bill twos and threes, but

944
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 5: he drove him right down and all of Chicago took it,

945
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 5: just took a sigh of relief, right like, oh my god,

946
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: he might be able.

947
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: To he might be okay. Because the Ben Johnson thing.

948
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 5: They played the Chiefs I watched when I was flying

949
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 5: to Hawaii that last preseason game.

950
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 4: They got their ass kicked early on, and Ben.

951
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 5: Johnson came out and said after the game like that's

952
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 5: just unacceptable, Like that's just too at this point in time,

953
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 5: too sloppy. Well, who were the Chiefs? A big time

954
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 5: team that took that game? Seriously, Remember I told you

955
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 5: when we were together like two and a half weeks ago,

956
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 5: that second preseason game Andy, because they got their ass

957
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 5: kicked by Seattle the Bills when they got their ass

958
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 5: kicked by the Bears. That's the point in time in

959
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 5: camp where he's been driving him, driving him. The legs

960
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 5: are heavy. But that last preseason game is more of

961
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 5: a ramp up, especially with Kansas City starters play a

962
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 5: little bit. You take it pretty seriously like you're coming

963
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: into that game with some some Well, the Bears tried

964
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 5: to do that too, and it did not go well. Now,

965
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 5: in fairness, Kansas City is like a dynasty, but Minnesota's

966
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 5: pretty good. They won fourteen games last week. Minnesota's got

967
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: the better roster. Yes, yeah, I mean it would be

968
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 5: like to me, if Minnesota wins, it'd be yeah, Minnesota's good.

969
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Right.

970
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 5: I don't think it's like it'd be big if JJ

971
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 5: plays like an elite level game. But even if he's

972
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: just kind of average on the road, just win, get

973
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 5: out of there. It's not like we're not setting it

974
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: in stone the headline of their season. Whatever happens with

975
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 5: the Bears, right you lose, it gets weird. That's a

976
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: major story. They win, he plays well, beats Brian Flores,

977
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 5: that's a huge kind of monkey off everyone's back. Okay,

978
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: we might we might have. There's a lot that there's

979
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 5: there's not a game in the league Week one where

980
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 5: there's just more on the line because of the quarterback situations,

981
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 5: the hopes of that. Like we said, the expectation for

982
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 5: this franchise, anything less than nine and eight will feel awful,

983
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: and even nine and eight, if you miss the playoffs,

984
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: will be like God, what what are we doing here?

985
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

986
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: I went through the schedule and it looks like eight

987
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: and nine, nine and eight to me, and I was optimistic.

988
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: I had them splitting with their division. Bears don't split

989
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: with their division. They went one in five last year.

990
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: They don't split in their division. So okay, John and

991
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: I chopped it up. We are now both gonna go

992
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: watch Belichick and TCU and I can't.

993
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: Wait for that.

994
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 2: This is the first of twenty two, twenty three, twenty

995
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: four conversations on Sunday Night. This is our Monday. I

996
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: am back to work tomorrow, buddy, and it's great seeing you.

997
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 5: Awesome seeing you.

998
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: The volume