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Speaker 1: their home opener to the Ravens, game number three on
Speaker 1: the season, thirty seven, twenty six. The final is we
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Speaker 1: on out of this game here today. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a winnable game. I thought the
Speaker 1: Patriots did some nice things offensively, especially early on. I
Speaker 1: thought getting the ball downfield was certainly part of the
Speaker 1: game plan. DeVante Parker by far and away the best
Speaker 1: he's looked all summer. I'm not even talking about just
Speaker 1: the two games. The best he's looked, you know, as
Speaker 1: a Patriot practice or no. But just too many mistakes,
Speaker 1: too many turnovers. You can't turn the ball over against
Speaker 1: a team like the Ravens. And we've talked a lot
Speaker 1: about run defense, Mike. I don't want to take up
Speaker 1: every point in my opening monologue here, but we talked
Speaker 1: about run defense being a huge part of it. The
Speaker 1: run defense still has some work to do. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I liked how they came out. I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: that they competed pretty well on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: It looked like, man, they're you know, moving the ball,
Speaker 1: placed a Parker a couple three and Outce Dietrich wise
Speaker 1: looked unblockable early on in the game, and then they
Speaker 1: just kind of started the run us team. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like some of their fight. They you know, fought back.
Speaker 1: I thought at the end of the first half they
Speaker 1: could have kind of folded up. They still manage to
Speaker 1: get a field goal there in response. I'd really like that,
Speaker 1: you know, even at the end they fell into the
Speaker 1: eleven point hole and they still you know, put together
Speaker 1: some some drives to get down there and make it interestinct.
Speaker 1: But you know, the mistakes, the mistakes, the mistakes, the interceptions,
Speaker 1: the Nelson agil or fumble, it's just not enough. And
Speaker 1: as you said, Paul Lamar Jackson's just too talented. You know,
Speaker 1: he was the best guy on the field, and they
Speaker 1: stopped him a few times, but they did not stop
Speaker 1: him enough, and everybody else kind of got going eventually
Speaker 1: as well. For the sake of not sounding repetitive in
Speaker 1: the post game, I think when we start with our
Speaker 1: good list here, let's just haven't understood up through about
Speaker 1: half of the game, because I think that's what this
Speaker 1: game was, you know, up through beyond, you know, just
Speaker 1: beyond a halftime, Patriots looked pretty good and there were
Speaker 1: a lot of good things to talk about. Not so
Speaker 1: much after that. So again we so we don't have
Speaker 1: to keep saying it over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite a tailor two halves, but it was
Speaker 1: a team that looked good, as you said, Paul, a
Speaker 1: winnable game that they got a little sloppy, they got
Speaker 1: out executed on a few plays, and yeah, you ran
Speaker 1: into Lamar Jackson who ran his way to a victory tonight.
Speaker 1: It wasn't passing. Um, I mean he did complete some passes.
Speaker 1: It was both. I mean he completed four touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but for two hundred eighteen yards. Oh yeah, I always
Speaker 1: I mean nine times. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not like he was setting the world on fire by
Speaker 1: completing a lot of I thought. The troubling thing here
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll get to it when he set it up,
Speaker 1: is I think that the defense, I think a lot.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of harping on the turnovers,
Speaker 1: and rightly so, I mean they don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: They would have had a really good chance to win
Speaker 1: this game today. Um, so that's huge the turnout. You
Speaker 1: can't four right, uh, I mean ended up being four
Speaker 1: three picks and a fumble. Yeah, So that's the that's
Speaker 1: the story, and I'm not trying to sugarcoat that, but
Speaker 1: I think that the defense looked to have made some strides.
Speaker 1: You know, there was some some promising points. I thought
Speaker 1: in the first couple of games, not so much today.
Speaker 1: I thought Baltimore did what it wanted to do offensively,
Speaker 1: and I thought they could run it. I thought they
Speaker 1: threw it when they wanted to throw it. They got
Speaker 1: it to their best guy, Mark Andrews, which is something
Speaker 1: that you always say Patriots, never let that happen. It happened.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this, I think there was a lot of
Speaker 1: breakdowns today, but the top of the list hard. He's right,
Speaker 1: it's it's the turnovers. I mean, like, you can't have
Speaker 1: four turnovers. All right, let's let's let's get into a
Speaker 1: good bad injured. Here we go. Now it's time for
Speaker 1: the good, pretty good per the bad who in the injured?
Speaker 1: Ah ah, you are right, gay, good, the bad the
Speaker 1: injured brought to buy the good players the bad players,
Speaker 1: and one of the injured players not to bury the
Speaker 1: lead here, Mac Jones hopping off the field on one leg,
Speaker 1: taken directly to the locker room before the game was over.
Speaker 1: So we'll certainly keep an eye on that. We'll keep
Speaker 1: an eye on this Buffalo Miami game, which is coming
Speaker 1: down to the final seconds. The Bill's trailing by two.
Speaker 1: They've got a third and ten coming up, but just
Speaker 1: a few yards outside of field goal range. So we
Speaker 1: got but only eighteen seconds left, which means you have
Speaker 1: to get out of bounds if you don't get the
Speaker 1: first down. So that's gonna be a difficult situation. But
Speaker 1: you know, we've we'll move on to rid zone Paul later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen sicker dogs in that lab. Well what I
Speaker 1: like that? You know you don't like that? All right,
Speaker 1: start with a good iduce. I'm gonna mister positivity. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the layoup with Vante Parker. Five catches, one
Speaker 1: hundred fifty six yards, consistent throughout. I mean, had a
Speaker 1: couple early on, also had some of the second half,
Speaker 1: so he was you know, he was exciting. I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't really expect that out of him in terms
Speaker 1: of just the you know, the middle of the field
Speaker 1: kind of production overall. So really nice day for him.
Speaker 1: You know, Unfortunately it's gonna get over shadow. But Agalore
Speaker 1: last week having one hundred yard day, him having one
Speaker 1: hundred yards today, um that that's definitely a big, a
Speaker 1: big positive coming out of this one. And they failed
Speaker 1: to get out of bounds there, right, and they're not
Speaker 1: going to have time because they're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to spike it. No, that's the game. I think the
Speaker 1: Dolphins remain undefeated. Unbelievable. Dolphins pick up a win at
Speaker 1: home over the Bills twenty one nineteen and uh there
Speaker 1: we go three and oz on this season and the
Speaker 1: Bills are handed their first loss. Hmmm. Very interesting. Also,
Speaker 1: the Lions, who had jumped out to an early lead,
Speaker 1: now trail at Minnesota twenty eight, twenty four. Paul just
Speaker 1: turned to me and said, Hardy's going to be happy?
Speaker 1: What was that? What was that talk? Parilla? Well, well,
Speaker 1: they had a ten point lead, the Lions said. Wait,
Speaker 1: say Lions got the ball there at midfield? How much times?
Speaker 1: Don't worry about a guy? All right, guy, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: lost this way before many times. What are you worried
Speaker 1: about for? It's like my standard line when you know,
Speaker 1: just barely in the rough, you know, after my t shot,
Speaker 1: I'm like that I can make six from here, No worries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the first time I ever played out of
Speaker 1: the rough. Yeah, don't worry. Yeah, that's I can still
Speaker 1: make double from one hundred and fifty out just off
Speaker 1: the fairway. Don't you worry about that. Um. From the
Speaker 1: very first reception of the game, it's like Parker interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, big catch, looked like he was maybe a
Speaker 1: poised for something today. It didn't mean anything, but it
Speaker 1: certainly ended up meaning something as they went to him
Speaker 1: time and time again. And one of the interceptions was,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, a throw to Parker in the
Speaker 1: end zone there in the fourth quarter. Not I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a bad throw and Mac needs to play better.
Speaker 1: But as we will get to later on in the
Speaker 1: bad list, it was the play calling leading up to
Speaker 1: it that I just you know, oh yeah, we'll get it.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that, we'll get to all that. I
Speaker 1: guess it's just I got some festive his grievings to uh,
Speaker 1: the grievances. But DeVante Parker first on the good list
Speaker 1: I co signed. I'm sure Paul does too. Paul, what's
Speaker 1: your first good Uh, let's see, I'm gonna go Dietrich Wise.
Speaker 1: Did I miss that? I have him? Sometimes when I'm
Speaker 1: buried in red zone, I miss things no, I have
Speaker 1: him as my second good Also, yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if anybody had already said it. And I know we
Speaker 1: had three sacks, and you know, sometimes those are kind
Speaker 1: of circumstantial, like you know, they had a couple of
Speaker 1: sacks today that were really kind of runs that would
Speaker 1: stopped for no game. But Dietrich Wise made a couple
Speaker 1: of plays on the run that were amazing. Um. Sorry,
Speaker 1: hardy Um. I thought, I think he has been arguably
Speaker 1: the Patriots best defensive player in the first three weeks
Speaker 1: of the season. Is that? Is that an overstatement? Mike? Sorry,
Speaker 1: said I think? Sorry, yeah, I mean I've done in
Speaker 1: a million times. I take no offense. I think Dietrich
Speaker 1: Wise might might have been the Patriots best defensive player
Speaker 1: in the three weeks. But I mean it's just the
Speaker 1: humulative year fact. When do you see that a six
Speaker 1: year player that I texted Andy today because we used
Speaker 1: to argue, you know, guys don't make the fifty year jump,
Speaker 1: made the sixty year is I mean, honestly, I wish
Speaker 1: he'd made the fourth quarter job. You know, they could
Speaker 1: have used some of that playmaking later in the game.
Speaker 1: You know, that was my only rub with it. Was that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just you come out like Gangbusters. You're
Speaker 1: you're getting pressure on the march Jackson, You're in his face.
Speaker 1: I mean, you probably could add a couple more sacks. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're able to finish him off. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's just so fast. It's hard to it's hard to
Speaker 1: really fault anybody on that one. But you're right, Dietrich wise,
Speaker 1: you know, continue to have a strong start, but but again,
Speaker 1: love to see some finish out of the defense. Um,
Speaker 1: I am going to pick from my first UM pick
Speaker 1: Mike that I miss he had DeVante Parker. So you
Speaker 1: didn't do one yet, ahead, Uncle Jonathan Jones, yep, good
Speaker 1: one okay, um interception interception and and and the strip
Speaker 1: for his fumble whatever. It was one of the day, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean start, one of the few players who actually
Speaker 1: kind of like started strong and had a pretty strong
Speaker 1: compition at the end. It's weird. I don't have him
Speaker 1: bought about the pick. Yeah, yeah, it's like Jonathan Jone.
Speaker 1: What Jonathan, Because I saw him, I got a position
Speaker 1: a little bit. But no, you guys are right that
Speaker 1: he's a good he's a good pick. I mean two
Speaker 1: huge turnovers caused. Yep, there's another obvious defensive player that
Speaker 1: I had to buy one to get to Jonathan Jones first.
Speaker 1: Just I don't know, because I think it bears mentioning
Speaker 1: that he actually finished the game kind of strong too.
Speaker 1: Here you go, all right, I'm gonna do Romandre one
Speaker 1: of his better games, twelve for once for seventy three,
Speaker 1: one one seventy three. Um. You know a couple of
Speaker 1: real nice runs for him. I just you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've heard a couple of pause comments when he was
Speaker 1: carrying the ball, and I agree he's got some. He's
Speaker 1: just more exploded. I mean, I love Damian Harris as
Speaker 1: as a player. I think he gives you everything. I
Speaker 1: think Stevenson is more explosive. Yeah, I think he makes
Speaker 1: guys miss in like in tight quarters. He makes you
Speaker 1: miss now a couple of times today one maybe one
Speaker 1: too many bounces was definitely one of those. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I had him on my list too.
Speaker 1: I think you agree with that one harder you co
Speaker 1: sign on Romandre Stevenson. I didn't have him down, but
Speaker 1: now that I think back on it, yes I will.
Speaker 1: I will put Romandre Stevenson I don't. I certainly didn't
Speaker 1: see anything from that I would say was bad. Um see, yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd like to I'd like to be able to say
Speaker 1: more about him. I didn't have him, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking along those lines. Okay, that's my failing, not Romandres.
Speaker 1: I want that. I want it clear that I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's on Romandre. It's on me, all right,
Speaker 1: everybody knows. I agree. I just want everyone at all.
Speaker 1: They ain't gonna have no trouble from me. I cheat you,
Speaker 1: Frankie pantantially, thank you, thank you. I got not just
Speaker 1: yelling out. I got that, but he got Paul I have.
Speaker 1: I have Matthew Judon. That was the one I stepped.
Speaker 1: And now here's the hit, Like there's a problem that
Speaker 1: I could completely get this. If someone's gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and say, these guys just went out and get up
Speaker 1: thirty eight point thirty seven points to the Ravens and
Speaker 1: all the goods are on defense. I thought Matthew Judon
Speaker 1: in this game allowed them to get off to a
Speaker 1: good start. You know, the only way they were going
Speaker 1: to win this game is if they dictated the way
Speaker 1: it was played and they got out in front. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: it never really materialized, but they made some plays in
Speaker 1: this game. And I think Judon in particular was really
Speaker 1: good with his his discipline and when he rushed Jackson
Speaker 1: and got him, you know, scrambling around, Jackson was thrown
Speaker 1: it away because I think he knew Judon can get me.
Speaker 1: He can he can get me to the ground, whereas
Speaker 1: some of these other guys, I can run away by time,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna catch me. So I thought Judon was
Speaker 1: really good in this especially in the first half. In
Speaker 1: the early part of the game. I thought he was
Speaker 1: solid that one too. I think near the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: where he had Lamar kind of retreating and I think
Speaker 1: you said at the time, he's one of the only
Speaker 1: guys that can you know, kind of have the athleticism
Speaker 1: to keep him in, you know exactly the playoff was
Speaker 1: that was you know that And again I would put
Speaker 1: him kind of in the category with Wise where it
Speaker 1: was like gangbusters out at the beginning and then a
Speaker 1: little quiet towards the end. But he did have that
Speaker 1: play down the end. But there was that play in
Speaker 1: the fourth and you know, Paul said discipline, There was
Speaker 1: a play in the first, when the Ravens round a
Speaker 1: third and fifteen, you know, deep in their own end,
Speaker 1: and uh, Judon pulled up on his on his rush
Speaker 1: and started, oh boy, anyway, we're looking at watching Mac
Speaker 1: Jones limp off the field, hop off the field. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a a DM in here from
Speaker 1: somebody of just a screenshot of Mac going off the field,
Speaker 1: and he looks, I mean, as you can see on
Speaker 1: the video, he looks in pain, but he looks like
Speaker 1: he's in a lot of him it looks like his
Speaker 1: left Yeah, like I kind of rolled up. I don't know, Well,
Speaker 1: well we'll get in see it. It just rolled up,
Speaker 1: you know, briefly, but who knows. Anyway, Judan had the
Speaker 1: discipline to kind of stay back, pull off on the
Speaker 1: rush and just spy Lamar and just keep him from
Speaker 1: moving outside and as you said, contain and force him
Speaker 1: into what was essentially a throwaway in that third and fifteen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had him down early, Matthew, Jodan definitely
Speaker 1: on the good list. Yeah, that's that's about all I got.
Speaker 1: I feel like I had I had Mac on there initially.
Speaker 1: Um and and that was you know, kind of before
Speaker 1: things fell part at the end. So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to put him a Mac on the good list today.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Max. I mean I thought Mac did
Speaker 1: a lot of nice things in this game, and he
Speaker 1: had that one drive where he almost single handedly kept
Speaker 1: him in the game. But too many mistakes from Mac
Speaker 1: to put him on the good list. His numbers are
Speaker 1: gonna look abysmal. I don't think he played as bad
Speaker 1: as the numbers will in the game. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: no touchdowns in three picks and that's gonna look like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Yeah, he played better than that. I
Speaker 1: got I got one more. I'm gonna put Paul and
Speaker 1: Hardy on the LST first. The Jacobe Myers conversation in
Speaker 1: the pregame show, Okay, we can move on. Wow. You
Speaker 1: know it's funny because it's one of those things that
Speaker 1: this you know, I always make this this argument, and
Speaker 1: Megan O'Brien used to make fun of me about it
Speaker 1: all the time. It's why I don't gamble. That's why
Speaker 1: I don't bet, because when I think things are going
Speaker 1: to go a certain way and they go that way
Speaker 1: and you still lose the bet, and it's like I
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. You know, well, this
Speaker 1: is one I saw something going the way it was
Speaker 1: gonna go, and and that what I saw was Kendrick
Speaker 1: Bourne being forced to be integrated, and that was going
Speaker 1: to kind of push Parker to the back burner a
Speaker 1: little bit. When Jacobe Myers went down, the complete opposite happens. Now.
Speaker 1: To Mike's point, the offense was I mean, they scored
Speaker 1: twenty six points. If I told you before the game
Speaker 1: they're gonna score at twenty six, I think you'd say,
Speaker 1: I can't really ask him for much more than that.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good total. Yeah, but it ain't the
Speaker 1: way I said it was going to happen. So I
Speaker 1: might have been right, but I weren't really right. Fair enough,
Speaker 1: fair enough, Um, look at that. It's a lot of bees,
Speaker 1: a lot of bees on the goalpost there. That's not good.
Speaker 1: No report, that would seem to be problematic. Like if Lamar,
Speaker 1: if that was Lamar Jackson, he'd be in danger. He
Speaker 1: was in the end zone a lot. That was my
Speaker 1: fantasy that was trending on Twitter earlier. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of buzz about it. Honey, you're a card, Honey, do
Speaker 1: you have anything else? Oh, honey, that was a good
Speaker 1: good following you thank Do you have anything else? Nick
Speaker 1: Folk too for doing his field goals? By the way,
Speaker 1: how about fifty yard the fifty yarder? And was it
Speaker 1: at the end of the first quarter where they let
Speaker 1: time expiring and then they said we're going to kick
Speaker 1: it down on the north end. There's something I don't
Speaker 1: think that they did it intentionally. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not thrown off by it because we're watching it. Were like,
Speaker 1: you know, at that north end is gonna play differently
Speaker 1: now they got it. That was a chip shot though
Speaker 1: the other one, the fifth I'm giving you more credit
Speaker 1: than you'll give it. But the fifty yard went into
Speaker 1: the open end, okay? And did he miss the first
Speaker 1: one before the time out? It looked like it looked
Speaker 1: like he did. I don't know. But the fifty he
Speaker 1: hit the fifty yard or into the open end of
Speaker 1: the last play of the first half. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about that as another element of good before
Speaker 1: we move on to the bad. Unless you guys have
Speaker 1: more stuff. No after Nick Folk, um, I would say
Speaker 1: the and Fred Kirsch was all over this when it
Speaker 1: happened live the double score. You know, I thought the
Speaker 1: execution at the end of the first half was excellent.
Speaker 1: Yea couple of couple of crossing routes. Um, you get
Speaker 1: in the thirty seconds you move about. I don't know,
Speaker 1: let's see, you moved forty three yards and thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: You get a field goal, you get the h the
Speaker 1: possession to start the second half, double score, touchdown, you
Speaker 1: took your lead. And uh, I thought that was a
Speaker 1: big like sort of a big juncture with the game.
Speaker 1: That's where the Patriots had a chance. We'll get to
Speaker 1: the bad afterwards. But uh yeah, Freddie, Freddie said a
Speaker 1: Patriots football right there. I go, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: He goes double score? I was like, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's just chamming real quick here. What a shame it
Speaker 1: is to drop a game like you did today, as
Speaker 1: there appears to be a tremendous amount of parody in
Speaker 1: the league, Chiefs falling to the Colts, Bills losing to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins past home to win, about winnable game and
Speaker 1: it you know, and as for as close as it was,
Speaker 1: it didn't end up being that close. And like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a real shame because team you had, you thought
Speaker 1: you had to beat to make the playoffs Vegas his
Speaker 1: own three. Yeah, this is you know, this is kind
Speaker 1: of opening up this early on in this NFL season
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, it's kind of up for grabs.
Speaker 1: Anybody who can win. You got a shot and you
Speaker 1: couldn't get a win today. Hi Fred, Hi, Hi Hardy?
Speaker 1: Before we before we forget Hardy needs a new parking pass.
Speaker 1: Like it's the giving him a hard time. They can't
Speaker 1: get in. Okay, I don't know who he is. Oh
Speaker 1: I can. I can hear the much what he has.
Speaker 1: That's what he has to do. Turn on the radio.
Speaker 1: I'm on three different he has to tell people who
Speaker 1: he is and he throws that card around. I'm getting
Speaker 1: over here me eight point five. But when some are
Speaker 1: some of these scores, though, are we are we? Who
Speaker 1: are we concerned with? Like with the square? Like, who
Speaker 1: do you think is going to win the acast? Dude?
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm just worried about Max. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: talking about in a vacuum, big pitcher. I think people
Speaker 1: are looking at and saying, Buffalo lost. We blew it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Miami's the team you're probably fighting for a wild
Speaker 1: card with Buffalo is probably gonna win the division unless
Speaker 1: these injuries that they're getting just continue when Josh Allen's
Speaker 1: next and he's out for the year two like Micah Hyde,
Speaker 1: if if, if they're relatively standing up, they're gonna win
Speaker 1: the division. So Miami is now two o in the
Speaker 1: division with wins over Buffalo and you that's huge. Indianapolis
Speaker 1: beating Kansas City, that's another one huge. Careful who you
Speaker 1: root for, right, You're not really root You're not really
Speaker 1: fighting Kansas City for a playoffs any Indie, right, And
Speaker 1: I don't think India is any great shakes, but it
Speaker 1: just shows that, you know, good teams can be beaten.
Speaker 1: Can you be one of those teams to beat a
Speaker 1: good team? And you got very wea extremely early through
Speaker 1: three weeks to be telling you who's gonna win the division,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the wild card. But right now, conventional
Speaker 1: wisdom would suggest Kansas City is probably more of a
Speaker 1: division team and the Buffalo Bills are more of a
Speaker 1: division team than Indie in Miami gotcha um just in
Speaker 1: time for the bad Liz Fred, you want to lead
Speaker 1: us off, you know what, and you know what, there's
Speaker 1: a lot to get to and we don't want to
Speaker 1: pile on for an entire hour. We'll just go chronologically.
Speaker 1: What was the first thing? Had a couple penalties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good one to start with. You don't like
Speaker 1: to see that. No, two early penalties. Um. I believe
Speaker 1: he was referred to as a drive killer by one
Speaker 1: of the voices on the first The first one absolutely like,
Speaker 1: you had a nice little play to Parker to get
Speaker 1: yourself going, and then you get like a second in
Speaker 1: eight or so and he gets an illegal formation penalty
Speaker 1: on a play that resulted in a first down, wipes
Speaker 1: that play out, sets up second in thirteen. You ultimately
Speaker 1: get sacked on third down and have to punt. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's a drive killer. Pre snap penalties. Four more of
Speaker 1: them today. It's brain farts with him. Well, you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: two penalties one time out to avoid a delay again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but brain farts with him. That's you know, I thought
Speaker 1: overall he plays okay, like I thought Mac had protection,
Speaker 1: pretty good protection most of the day. But it's the
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. It's these like momentary lapses in
Speaker 1: mental processing that they're you know, and those were two
Speaker 1: drives where they had big plays to Parker. It felt
Speaker 1: like you had a little momentum and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you get backed up and they couldn't even
Speaker 1: you know, convert a first down after getting backed up
Speaker 1: off those two penalties. So yeah, not a good start,
Speaker 1: but you know, but see, But the thing about that,
Speaker 1: though that happens so early, so much transpired after that,
Speaker 1: you know where the Patriots had plenty of chances after
Speaker 1: that to win this year. I'm not saying that he's
Speaker 1: the reason why they lost, but in terms of bad,
Speaker 1: it was bad. I'll tell you. I'll tell you the
Speaker 1: first bad I have just chronologically, the muffed punt. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Yeah again, another one that doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt you, but you can It doesn't hurt, but you
Speaker 1: can't have it. And now you're holding your breath every
Speaker 1: time it's supposed to be a good thing. You should
Speaker 1: be celebrating the fact that you forced the other team
Speaker 1: into a punch, and instead, you know, I'm on pins
Speaker 1: and needles. I think. I think mac epitomized the game.
Speaker 1: As many good plays as he made, he made bad plays.
Speaker 1: And it's the same with the Patriots. As many good
Speaker 1: plays as they made, they made bad plays. And by
Speaker 1: the way. So did the Ravens until they broke it
Speaker 1: away late. Both teams were making mistakes. Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: both teams were you know, what's your what's your first
Speaker 1: bad Paul? Oh boy? Uh? Well, I thought that the uh,
Speaker 1: there was some we talked about the the discipline needed
Speaker 1: to contain the edges. I thought there was some instances.
Speaker 1: Uh mac Wilson struggled with some of that discipline early.
Speaker 1: I thought josh Uche had a play that he comes in,
Speaker 1: thought he had Lamar dead to right, it's never even
Speaker 1: got a hand on him. Fred almost fell off his
Speaker 1: chair on the play. What he goes? What does josh
Speaker 1: Uche doing? Sorry? Because that okay if I say things
Speaker 1: like yeah, no, I listen, that's fine. I thought there
Speaker 1: was some discipline breakdowns defensively, and that certainly helped him
Speaker 1: roll their way to to thirty second point. He dive
Speaker 1: at Lamar Jackson from two yards away. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: get him. No, don't leave your feet. They are not
Speaker 1: gonna get him. No, No, what do you got, Douce?
Speaker 1: I got Miles Bryant, you know, a number another muff
Speaker 1: and also you know, gave up the touchdown there near
Speaker 1: the end, so, you know, just tough for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to point out individual guys. At this point.
Speaker 1: I just felt overall, like, you know, the defense just
Speaker 1: kind of folded down the end and you know, didn't
Speaker 1: quite have the I would say, you know, it's almost
Speaker 1: like to Fred's point, it felt like they switched off.
Speaker 1: Like the defense would get a stop and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: they're playing good, and then they threw an interception, you know,
Speaker 1: and then the defense would give up a long drive.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, not really complimentary football. I don't
Speaker 1: want to pick on Miles Bryant, but I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of plays and the muff punts that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he's continuing to get chances. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's just a matter of time before Marcus Jones,
Speaker 1: you just put my guy back there. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: they did miss Kyle Dugger today. I thought, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the runs that popped free in
Speaker 1: the secondary. I think he's a pretty good tackler and
Speaker 1: he's fast enough that he's not going to necessarily let
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson run away from him. So as many injuries
Speaker 1: as the Ravens had, and I think they lost like
Speaker 1: ten guys during the game. It was unbelievable. But the
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger injury was I think problematic for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Second Ellen maybe you know, I'm not sure. I'm sure, gotcha,
Speaker 1: wasn't one hundred percent, you know, But you know, another
Speaker 1: bad the big run by Lamar Jackson late. I think
Speaker 1: it was like a forty one yard run or something
Speaker 1: like that. Bentley comes up to the line pretending he's
Speaker 1: gonna blitz and does this dance and gets himself so
Speaker 1: close to the line that when the ball snapped, he's
Speaker 1: completely out of the play. He had no awareness and
Speaker 1: to you know, fill a gap because he was too
Speaker 1: close to the line to even see the play transpire.
Speaker 1: Just played himself out of the play pre snap, and
Speaker 1: that's the gap that Lamar ran right through and it
Speaker 1: was all over. There was a There was another one
Speaker 1: of those, a similar run, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was another case of somebody coming up and not
Speaker 1: reading the play individually, but it was before the end
Speaker 1: of the first half or Lamar. You know, everybody bit
Speaker 1: on the fake and he and it was it was
Speaker 1: a keep and then he just found that one tiny
Speaker 1: seem and next thing, you know, I think it ended
Speaker 1: up being a twenty yard post back. It was a
Speaker 1: tough spot for the New England d because they just
Speaker 1: don't have the guys to cover man, you know, so
Speaker 1: they have to play this discipline kind of zone and
Speaker 1: you know, it works sometimes, but when you get gashed,
Speaker 1: you get gashed. And it was just hard to contain Lamar.
Speaker 1: What did he have? Like one hundred and some odd
Speaker 1: I rushed for over one hundred yards, threw up a
Speaker 1: two eighteen and four touchdowns, ran for one hundred and
Speaker 1: one and another one. Yet oftimes the other guys better
Speaker 1: than you. Yeah, not to oversimplify it, but that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he you know, the Patriots mistakes all that,
Speaker 1: but he's just the most talented guy and unless you
Speaker 1: have a special sixty minute defensive performance, he it's gonna
Speaker 1: do what you did today. And if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: let that happen, then you can't make the mistakes any
Speaker 1: someone special upfront and someone special in the back, you know,
Speaker 1: to have a shot to the limit, you just have
Speaker 1: to play him well. You know. It's just to Fred's points,
Speaker 1: you know. And one another one of my bads, Hardy,
Speaker 1: was just I think the coaching let him down a
Speaker 1: little bit today. And I'm gonna simplify this without no
Speaker 1: one for sure if I'm right, But like play calling
Speaker 1: in general, not just offensive play calling, play calling in general. Fred,
Speaker 1: you made the point about, you know, they don't really
Speaker 1: have the horses to play man that often, then why
Speaker 1: go zero blitz on the goal line and let Mark
Speaker 1: Andrews do what Mark Andrews does. He ran right by
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy and the throw was a little underthrown, so
Speaker 1: at allow mccordy to get back into play and made
Speaker 1: Andrews make a tough catch, but that should have been
Speaker 1: an easy touchdown. Zero blitz there, I thought was an odd,
Speaker 1: odd call. Well, interesting thing. Evan really thought it was bad.
Speaker 1: He was, and then he was like that, you know,
Speaker 1: just seeing some of the stats, but I'm seeing that
Speaker 1: they that they blitzed Lamar like percent of the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, they really went after him today, but you know,
Speaker 1: other than the first half, they didn't really have the success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought that a lot of times he was
Speaker 1: sort of evading that blitz and there was all kinds
Speaker 1: of green around and he either ran or made some
Speaker 1: throws and I'll tell you he missed some opportunities on
Speaker 1: some of those plays. Early in the game he had
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews all by himself and the ball went off
Speaker 1: at Andrews, you know. And then he had another one
Speaker 1: that he under threw Andrews and he had to go
Speaker 1: down and get it. He couldn't cut. But there were
Speaker 1: some opportunities to make plays. Yeah, that that he missed
Speaker 1: on those kinds of plays, whether they flushed him out
Speaker 1: of the pocket. And now all of a sudden he's
Speaker 1: broken containment. He could do whatever he wants. Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you see moments where it looks like, hey,
Speaker 1: they got him in the pocket. He looks a little
Speaker 1: bit fuddled. He's having bad throws. But it said, you
Speaker 1: can't do it consistently enough. But you do have to
Speaker 1: talk about some of these things. Second quarter, third and eight,
Speaker 1: they run, they run Damian and Andrew, Damien Harris, you know,
Speaker 1: for a couple of yards, like what do we doing?
Speaker 1: You know? And then fourth down they decided to go
Speaker 1: for it fourth and three and they throw the ball
Speaker 1: not short of the sticks, short of the line of scrimmage. Well,
Speaker 1: and again we can we can get into this and
Speaker 1: more in depth later on, and I think we should.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna write that one down because I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, get through these and are injured and started
Speaker 1: taking some calls. But the play calling that fourth and
Speaker 1: three was a big one. And then when you're down
Speaker 1: in the red zone and you desperately need a touchdown,
Speaker 1: the play calling down there. Second and goal from the
Speaker 1: fourteen is not a running down, No kidding. Second a
Speaker 1: goal from the fourteen is not a running down. And
Speaker 1: again Damian Harris for like three yards, And so I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's bring a hundred in here. Let's take a shot.
Speaker 1: Let's take a shot two times if we can. By
Speaker 1: the way, the next pass was intercepted by Marlin Humphrey. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, Hunter Henry not in on the second
Speaker 1: and fourteen. It's not on the field. It's not tough
Speaker 1: to take a shot with your big tight end when
Speaker 1: he's not even out there. But we'll get to those later.
Speaker 1: We'll get to those later, okay. Um any other overall,
Speaker 1: we don't have to pick on anybody. I thought there
Speaker 1: was some special teams. Yeah, that's Can I highlight just
Speaker 1: that punt return the forty three yard parts. And there
Speaker 1: was another punt return earlier in the game that he
Speaker 1: got a decent return on that was a little leaky.
Speaker 1: I just put punt punt coverage was leaky today? Was
Speaker 1: that that was like a forty three yard return, was
Speaker 1: it not? Yeah? It fifty six yard punt forty three
Speaker 1: yards big play. You know the fumble clearly by Agalore
Speaker 1: two that was the turnovers were killers. And again I
Speaker 1: go back the run defense. I've been really touting it
Speaker 1: the first two games. The run defense was outstanding. Today
Speaker 1: it wasn't. And it wasn't just Lamar Jackson. And I
Speaker 1: know the stress that Lamar Jackson puts on it. But
Speaker 1: you know, Justice Hill six carry sixty yards like that
Speaker 1: can't happen like they they got another hundred yards from
Speaker 1: their running backs who haven't been doing anything. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: some big place to that one hed some big chunks too.
Speaker 1: So you know, the run defense today was was not good.
Speaker 1: Um let's move on to seven point two yards to
Speaker 1: carry twenty six carries for one hundred and eighty eight yards. Now,
Speaker 1: again a lot of that is Lamar he average nine
Speaker 1: point seven, but Justice Hill average ten, you know, and
Speaker 1: and Dobbin's only average three point three, but he was
Speaker 1: he was effective at times. His runs that he got
Speaker 1: stopped on were the ones late when they were just
Speaker 1: trying to get into field goal range. Like the run
Speaker 1: defense was not great today. Again the touchdown they scored,
Speaker 1: the Ravens scored the first one of the second half.
Speaker 1: That was mostly due to Lamar and the running backs.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I thought they couldn't run. I
Speaker 1: didn't think they had a run game, and sure enough
Speaker 1: they marched down the fields at um injuries. Yeah, we'd
Speaker 1: start with Mac. I mean it's uh, you know this
Speaker 1: this picture going around right now of him screaming in
Speaker 1: pain going into the locker room. Of course Aaron's the
Speaker 1: back of Aaron's head is there to our artist. It
Speaker 1: was so weird on that play because TV missed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. You know, they went to a break
Speaker 1: with not even mentioning the play, and you know it
Speaker 1: was an interception, so they followed the interception and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and you know I looked up, you yelled it, right,
Speaker 1: and I saw Mac, like, you know, hopping to the sideline.
Speaker 1: They put the blue ten up. He just made b
Speaker 1: line past it and right to the locker room, like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not good. He knows this is not good. So
Speaker 1: like then when they came back from the break, they
Speaker 1: showed it and you know, the guys fell on his legs.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was just a bad
Speaker 1: sprain not a bad sprain, and he's just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, if it just hurt or broken. I have
Speaker 1: no idea, they asked Bill. Um, he said, I just
Speaker 1: got in. I don't know what's going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: can you tell what happened? Um? Yeah, I mean you know,
Speaker 1: can you tell the end, like if it was a
Speaker 1: snap or just a spring rolled on. I mean, but
Speaker 1: he's instantly in pain. I mean, it's just it's a
Speaker 1: it's a weird quirk a mac like he just like
Speaker 1: tries to hop up and hop off, like I think, right,
Speaker 1: he didn't even try to put weight on it. That's
Speaker 1: like immediately yeah. Yeah. That the shot of him is
Speaker 1: him at the bottom of the stairs right before going
Speaker 1: into the locker room, and he's still but does you
Speaker 1: see it kind of get twisted. It's just left left
Speaker 1: leg or ankle. Definitely his ankle, because I saw grabbed
Speaker 1: for the ankle immediately and I would say, um, sometimes
Speaker 1: these can be dangerous. Um. Sometimes they say a high
Speaker 1: ankle is worse than a break. No, but I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's some quotes on Twitter from Patriots players. They're
Speaker 1: all being asked about their confidence level and Brian Hoyer,
Speaker 1: and they're all answering the question geez, you know, it's
Speaker 1: next man up, that kind of stuff. So no, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm serious, Like, if they didn't think there was anything, yeah,
Speaker 1: screaming in pain, I don't think that they would be
Speaker 1: addressing questions about Brian. Right, I get your point, But
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did I go mister? He said, And I said,
Speaker 1: so this is what happens, Okay. I thought I thought
Speaker 1: you would making it fun of me for being captain obvious,
Speaker 1: which would have been which would have been an uh.
Speaker 1: Bailey got looked at, came back hamstring for Mills. He uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he came back. But
Speaker 1: Lawrence was right the end, and Lawrence guy was the
Speaker 1: big one that was a shoulder. He was out that
Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean they were already having some
Speaker 1: success running. I do think I do think it got
Speaker 1: worse when he left the game. I think that was
Speaker 1: a significant factor. Yeahs as much as as much as
Speaker 1: we've been calling for more bar more. You know they
Speaker 1: did run the ball better when guy left the game.
Speaker 1: Ye all right, let's let's move to the phones here
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Speaker 1: We begin with fingers crossed to Eric in New Jersey. Eric,
Speaker 1: you're on the Patriots post game show? What's going on? Hey, guys?
Speaker 1: Was going on? I kind of want talking as the
Speaker 1: defense real quick? Um seemed like did Matt Wilson um
Speaker 1: get pulled? To seem the second half? He seemed to
Speaker 1: missed a couple of plays there in the first half.
Speaker 1: I know he had the two miss tackles last week.
Speaker 1: I mean the speech showing up out there, but it's
Speaker 1: just not making the plays. He did not play well today.
Speaker 1: I would say he was responsible for a couple of
Speaker 1: big plays early in the game. And you know you're wondering, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: Matt Wilson, he's a pretty good player. Why is he available? Why? Why?
Speaker 1: You know? Like, and that's why he's not consistent. He
Speaker 1: seemed more like Gary Guten out there that he just
Speaker 1: from like two thousand having speed out there, just had
Speaker 1: but just fast. It hasn't where he's going. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: And then Miles Bryant, he seems like another one like
Speaker 1: Jason will Hype from back in the dates. He seems
Speaker 1: to be on the highlight riels every week. Um, I mean,
Speaker 1: when are we gonna give Marcus Junes? We're gonna give
Speaker 1: the kids? Les Bryant. I can see it kind of
Speaker 1: always there, never makes the play, I can I can
Speaker 1: see what he's talking about. Yea, working hard, not getting
Speaker 1: much done. Yeah, all right, Eric, thanks for the call. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll go to Paul in Houston. Paul, you're on the
Speaker 1: Patriots post game show. What's up, Paul? Hey guys, how
Speaker 1: are you guys doing good? Yeah? Well, uh, let me
Speaker 1: start back saying that I feel that that was a
Speaker 1: defense showing for the defense first three quarters. So I
Speaker 1: think Paul mentioned it earlier. I think we made it
Speaker 1: thrive today. But the offense, that comment that Evan made
Speaker 1: on the show on Wednesday, the offense listening like it's
Speaker 1: being designed by an extensive coordinator, was still accurate. I mean,
Speaker 1: just some of the calls on third down and fourth down,
Speaker 1: you know in the in the red zone. That's just
Speaker 1: an acceptable I think Dtree fat kind a good game.
Speaker 1: But one thing I want a key on how they're
Speaker 1: used in. I think they're fourth in to have Julia
Speaker 1: Smith on the field more than Hunter Henry. After the
Speaker 1: season Henry had last season, I thought Henry play much better.
Speaker 1: I think it's a better tight end as far as
Speaker 1: a total package. I just want to hear you guys
Speaker 1: talk about that. Well, yeah, I mean, Henry's not been
Speaker 1: blocking well this year, and that's the whole thing. They're
Speaker 1: clearly not really designing much to get the tight ends
Speaker 1: involved in the passing game. And Jonah Smith is, to
Speaker 1: your point, fred definitely a better blocker than Hunter Henry.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily say I agree with it, but you
Speaker 1: know they chargeted the tight end five times today and
Speaker 1: had five catches on him, but no plays. You know,
Speaker 1: the longest game for both of them was eight yards UM,
Speaker 1: So four catches for twenty five yards for Johnah Smith,
Speaker 1: one for eight for Hunter Henry. They're not throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: so my guess is they think that Smith is a
Speaker 1: better blocker and that's why he's been out there. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I don't have the answer to that.
Speaker 1: They don't. I mean, they're just not involved. I mean
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like there's I mean, the effort to
Speaker 1: get the ball to the wide receivers is clearly there,
Speaker 1: like it's a mandate. But and clearly Hardy has Hunter
Speaker 1: and Fantasy football because he's he's having a I just
Speaker 1: don't know. I had him today because I had my
Speaker 1: whole team is on suspension, so I had to put
Speaker 1: someone in. Yeah, I just don't understand why you target
Speaker 1: him once he makes a catch and that's it the
Speaker 1: whole rest of the game. For two weeks now he's
Speaker 1: on the pay no Mind list. It's just that, I mean,
Speaker 1: like this isn't even the surface level of like, you know,
Speaker 1: you signed these guys, you had a plan for why
Speaker 1: you brought them in, and last year I get like
Speaker 1: the questions, but this year it's like even less and
Speaker 1: now maybe kind of overlook that game. But now you've
Speaker 1: got two games in a row where it just doesn't
Speaker 1: really seem like they can effectively get them the ball
Speaker 1: or you know, really tap tap their talents. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we did just something else. I noticed. It
Speaker 1: was like every time they get like down and you know,
Speaker 1: we got a glimpse of like some red zone possessions.
Speaker 1: It's all like spread offense still Like it's like they're
Speaker 1: on the two yard line and Max's still in the shotgun,
Speaker 1: like there's no It's just it kind of striking to
Speaker 1: me the difference between back in the day, not even
Speaker 1: back in the day, go back to last year when
Speaker 1: they had a full back and they'd have power. They
Speaker 1: just they don't really seem to be going into that anymore.
Speaker 1: That is, they had about three carries that they tried
Speaker 1: today from inside the five yard line, all of them
Speaker 1: resulted in touchdowns. Just line up and run it. What
Speaker 1: do you what do you try to trick people for?
Speaker 1: Your running game in the red zone was really good
Speaker 1: last year. That was the one element of the offense
Speaker 1: that I thought was pretty good last year when they
Speaker 1: got down close goal to goal. Damian Harris, I say
Speaker 1: this stat a million times. He had fifteen rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: That's a good number. And today they ran it in
Speaker 1: again when they when they had to, you know, I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: Davidan Harris two yard touchdown run, Romadre Stevenson one yard
Speaker 1: touchdown run. I mean, like that's what you want to
Speaker 1: do down there? Right? And then Mac scrambled in for
Speaker 1: another rushing touchdown on the third one. But I don't
Speaker 1: know why you're so concerned, Like they came this close
Speaker 1: to end in the game in the third quarter when
Speaker 1: Mac through one right to Patrick Queen on first and
Speaker 1: goal from like the two hit him right in the
Speaker 1: sixth he catches that he's gone, right, then what do
Speaker 1: they do the next play? Let's just hand the ball
Speaker 1: out to Romandri Stevenson here, make sure we get in
Speaker 1: the end zone. That could have been game. Oh yeah, absolutely, no.
Speaker 1: I I understand what you're saying about Hunter Henry and
Speaker 1: he's not great at blocking. That's why he is not
Speaker 1: in there. But can he catch? I mean, can he
Speaker 1: get can he get open? What he been worthy of
Speaker 1: a target on that second and fourteen? Yes? When that's
Speaker 1: and so why is he not in there? Why are
Speaker 1: they are they getting greedy with the with the uh
Speaker 1: you know the running backs are like you know, if
Speaker 1: if he had fifteen rushing touchdowns last year, let's try
Speaker 1: him from fifteen yards out well to see if that works.
Speaker 1: It's not going to work. That's not the play to
Speaker 1: call there. It's like, I don't even know. And I
Speaker 1: know that, but even last year Henry was effective in
Speaker 1: the red zone, but was the effective outside of that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I'm not hey, I'm not
Speaker 1: asking him for you know, to get ten targets, give
Speaker 1: him five, give him give him one, and those one
Speaker 1: of those situations. How but you know, and on the
Speaker 1: on the very next play they do something similar. You know,
Speaker 1: the second and third down plays on that series were
Speaker 1: just they were just garbage. I don't understand. I just
Speaker 1: I understand why they You won't utilize some of the
Speaker 1: weapons that you already have, even if they're not perfect. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not perfect. Hunter Henry is not, you know, the
Speaker 1: prototypical Bill Belichick time and he doesn't see well enough.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I know what you're saying, Hardy, But it
Speaker 1: didn't seem to me like, oh, the reason the Patriots
Speaker 1: offense was having trouble is because they weren't using all
Speaker 1: their weapons. They were making mistakes. You know, it's not like,
Speaker 1: oh man, they could have really used this here and there.
Speaker 1: They were just okay, so what what mistakes were they making?
Speaker 1: Turnovers for one, that's one, okay, penalties for two? You
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about errors, not like bad play calling,
Speaker 1: and some of them I ain't. Bad play calling was,
Speaker 1: by the way, the biggest play calling to me. Turnovers
Speaker 1: happened as a result of bad play calling and also
Speaker 1: Mac trying to force some throws into guys, Yes, that
Speaker 1: aren't equipped to either either bring them down either in
Speaker 1: traffic or or get a body on somebody to create
Speaker 1: some space. But that's like, for example, the one where
Speaker 1: Mac threw it up in the end zone. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: biggest player the game, but that's not that was Max Gotta.
Speaker 1: I'm sure those plays were called with Tom Brady too.
Speaker 1: Brady would throw it away and take the three and
Speaker 1: you loose. That's the point you needed a touchdown to
Speaker 1: you were down five. No, but but you had plenty
Speaker 1: of time. You needed to capitalize on that turn take
Speaker 1: the points. Now, I'm with yeah, I mean sure, in retrospect,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a field goal than a than a pick. Right,
Speaker 1: But you lift you throw the pick because you run
Speaker 1: on second and fourteen, I know, but you throw the
Speaker 1: pick because that's bad. That's a bad everything, And I
Speaker 1: know no one wants to say it because he had
Speaker 1: You know, you got to protect the ball bows, but
Speaker 1: that's actually bearing down on him. It was like two
Speaker 1: defenders there. It wasn't gonna happen. Just throw it away
Speaker 1: and take the three. I get I guess from the
Speaker 1: pressure on him again because instead of having two throws
Speaker 1: where maybe you can dictate what you do, you get
Speaker 1: yourself in third and goal from the ten. I gotta
Speaker 1: do it here comes to safety, blitz out of the slot.
Speaker 1: He gets there, untouched pick. Terrible played by Mac. I'm
Speaker 1: not absolving Mac. Mac didn't play well. He had some
Speaker 1: periods that he did some great things, especially with his
Speaker 1: feet today. Yeah, but he didn't play well overall. He
Speaker 1: made some good throws, but when the game was on
Speaker 1: the line, he did not make good throws. And that
Speaker 1: was a terrible throw. Terrible throw. I'm not absolving him,
Speaker 1: but I'm with hardy play calling set that sequence out,
Speaker 1: and I think some of those mistakes are a result
Speaker 1: of plays being called, and Mac has put in a
Speaker 1: position where, well, what else do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: Maybe if you had a tight end on the field
Speaker 1: and you had the green light to target him four
Speaker 1: six yards across the middle, just you know, just put
Speaker 1: it up high where he can get it. And do
Speaker 1: that as opposed to chuck him one in the corner
Speaker 1: in the end zone that's way too short and ends
Speaker 1: up being a pick, and that essentially that effectively ends
Speaker 1: the game. Well, there you go, that's what that's what
Speaker 1: you end up with. Did you feel the game was
Speaker 1: over when Mylein Humphrey picked that ball off? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: kind of did too. Now it shouldn't have been, but
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like it was. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it like how many times you think the defense defense
Speaker 1: didn't really stop him much. Today they had just stopped
Speaker 1: him when they forced that Bateman fumble. Yes, and then
Speaker 1: they gave him the ball right back and they went
Speaker 1: right down the field. And that's what's like a bigger
Speaker 1: part of it. And I mean, I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you guys are saying, but it's just, you know, the
Speaker 1: overall game on the line, let's kind of kick it
Speaker 1: into gear and really start to play our best football,
Speaker 1: and they just kind of withered, like they felt like
Speaker 1: they came out playing their best football. Kind of put
Speaker 1: that and even you know, again in kind of common
Speaker 1: recent Patriot history, start in the in the start of
Speaker 1: the third quarter two but you know, at the end,
Speaker 1: it's just that that's when they didn't play their best football.
Speaker 1: They played their worst football. Actually, I just want to
Speaker 1: correct myself because there was another possession in that the
Speaker 1: Patriots defense did actually come up with another stop after
Speaker 1: that interception, and then that's when a Galore fumbled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they kind of just took turns. That's there's another play
Speaker 1: call and want to ask you about. But before we
Speaker 1: go to break, and that was you mentioned it briefly.
Speaker 1: The fourth and three early on horrific And this is
Speaker 1: what we're talking about in the pregame. Let's take some
Speaker 1: of these chances today, you know, let's not be afraid
Speaker 1: to turn the ball over midfield. That was the one
Speaker 1: where they sent Kendrick Borne in motion I think, and
Speaker 1: then he's kind of draws the defense with him. So
Speaker 1: explain it to me. Explain what's supposed to be happening
Speaker 1: on that Blaye, what actually happened? Well, I get I
Speaker 1: think park it was supposed to be a pick play right,
Speaker 1: and Parker missed the pick on the fourth and three. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think Fred has it. Okay, that will be my guess. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not in all twenty, but but
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Like, why are you throwing it behind
Speaker 1: the sticks? Three yards behind the sticks? Um, they threw
Speaker 1: the ball behind the line. Yeah, that play never developed
Speaker 1: the way it was supposed to. Yeah, I think Parker
Speaker 1: missed the pick um. But I don't like I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't like having to run pick play there, just
Speaker 1: run a play, right, It just oh yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot to be frustrated about. I think that it's funny
Speaker 1: because I think Mac did some things today that I've
Speaker 1: never really seen him do, and he kept them a lot.
Speaker 1: That touchdown drive that he led was almost all I mean,
Speaker 1: after he threw his first pick and you know he
Speaker 1: ruined that drive. Next drive, it was because of Mac
Speaker 1: that they scored, right, He kept it along. He made
Speaker 1: a beautiful throw to Parker to start the drive. Then
Speaker 1: he made a couple of insane scrambles that like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how he did, right, it's just really fourth
Speaker 1: and one play that he bought all that time, and
Speaker 1: then hit Jono Smith for the first time. That was
Speaker 1: an amazing play. And again and even the two pointer
Speaker 1: that it was Yeah, that's not and that's what Loud said.
Speaker 1: He goes what a play? I said, Do you think
Speaker 1: that was a play. No, it was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was some great football. You. I was sort of wondering
Speaker 1: how they will letting that go when it happened, why,
Speaker 1: I was like, he looked like he was and he
Speaker 1: was like almost on his face. Yeah, like he was
Speaker 1: all the way down. I don't know how they missed that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what they look like, but
Speaker 1: based on the numbers, it seems it seems like the
Speaker 1: Patriots or the Balls live from our studios inside Guette Stadium.
Speaker 1: Here's Hardy, what's going on? We come back and both
Speaker 1: everybody leaves. Two of the hosts leave the studio. I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like in my life. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: working with a couple of zolacs. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's just gone. I mean, it's like we're at ninety
Speaker 1: eight point five. This is professional radio. I agree with you, Fred,
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, that's just mess around. Fred was
Speaker 1: here so we didn't have to really worry about did
Speaker 1: you say what you said. Were you doing the over
Speaker 1: unders totals? No, oh, okay, because the overunders I think
Speaker 1: I did. Okay, well, I think we're all four and
Speaker 1: two unders. We're all four and two in the overrunders. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, three of us, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. Trust him, hardy. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the phones here. Five five pats, five hundred.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that, Fred, Appreciate you. By the way, I just
Speaker 1: received word on Twitter that the mac Jones injury was
Speaker 1: in fact the result of that last play, not him
Speaker 1: flopping out of bounds trying to draw the late hit
Speaker 1: personal foul call. Did you see the flop on the sideline?
Speaker 1: Even Fred said, oh, yeah, that's not a penalty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The guy literally took his hands off of him when
Speaker 1: he got to the white like he left his feet
Speaker 1: and dove. Yeah it was. It wasn't a penalty, borderline. No.
Speaker 1: Not only was it not a penalty, it's kind of
Speaker 1: embarrassing when you watch the replay. Yeah, I was. I'm
Speaker 1: a bit embarrassed. I don't like those plays, no, Like
Speaker 1: I remember Mahomes did one of those on a Monday
Speaker 1: Night game a few years ago against the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: I was like, stop, oh, that'll be a meme. He's
Speaker 1: too good for that. Let's go to ban the camera.
Speaker 1: What's up, Brian? Oh, I don't know about that, friend, Brian.
Speaker 1: What do you got guys? I got two different things,
Speaker 1: uh mentioned to you guys. First thing is for fred
Speaker 1: Um Fred I appreciate everything you do as far as
Speaker 1: game by game play. It's like a no, you get
Speaker 1: a lot of critics must fans, but we definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 1: For a second thing, between Hardy and Paul Um, I
Speaker 1: got two different things. It's like, I don't mean to
Speaker 1: go back the way back from Wayne and when Brady played,
Speaker 1: but it seems like when we're in the red zone
Speaker 1: we put more tight ends involvement in like we did
Speaker 1: with Brady, and we're not doing so much with John Hunter.
Speaker 1: That's true. No, well it's certainly not this year. Last
Speaker 1: year Hunter had his share, but not now I know,
Speaker 1: But yet What but bubbles my mind is you seem
Speaker 1: okay with it. You're like, oh, that's not the reason
Speaker 1: why they when they're getting close, they're scoring. It's not
Speaker 1: like they're not scoring today. Before us and involvement. They
Speaker 1: ran it in three times. We're when when they needed it,
Speaker 1: when they needed it, when when you desperately need to
Speaker 1: score in the fourth quarter and you're down, and then
Speaker 1: and then he doesn't come on the field. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about when they're close in Okay, talking about red zone
Speaker 1: right now? Okay, Well, on the red zone in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, down five, they threw a pick. That's a killer,
Speaker 1: and they threw a pick because they ran the ball. First,
Speaker 1: they throw a swing pass on first and goal from
Speaker 1: the ten that loses four yards. Terrible call. And then
Speaker 1: they get a four yard run on second and fourteen,
Speaker 1: another horrible call. Then it's on Mac on the pick.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. Matt can't throw a
Speaker 1: pick and you gotta kick a field goal. It seems
Speaker 1: like off his wrong foot and he's off balance. Well,
Speaker 1: that one, it was just a bad decision, period, just bad.
Speaker 1: Like this isn't like practice, like a do or die play,
Speaker 1: you know it, And it's almost like he thought he
Speaker 1: was back in practice with those do or die Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, It's funny you say that because it
Speaker 1: did have that kind of a feel to it. It's
Speaker 1: like this is that this is the end of eleven
Speaker 1: on elevens. You know, if you gotta do something here,
Speaker 1: well I'll take a shot. It's like, no, you're not
Speaker 1: even close. You have to that's game awareness, situational awareness.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Fred, I'm just I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: okay with your twelve million dollars a year tight end
Speaker 1: just being just being put in mothfuls. I mean, they
Speaker 1: look like ryanz Owe and Matt Lacosse from you know,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when you had to go out and get
Speaker 1: those guys via Pa. You know, I had to pay
Speaker 1: free agents to get those guys, and for what now
Speaker 1: they're not really producing, They're not part of the offense.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Scott's supposed to be like, you know, a real,
Speaker 1: you know, viable weapon. They're just not using them at all.
Speaker 1: I also just feel like, to Fred's point, like it's
Speaker 1: like item number six on my level of concern with
Speaker 1: the offense, where like, all right, I mean I'd love
Speaker 1: to get the tight ends. I'd also love to not
Speaker 1: throw four turnovers. I don't want to get them involved
Speaker 1: for involvement's sake. I think if there's something not working, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can help them in the red zone. It can
Speaker 1: help them move the ball a little bit and maybe
Speaker 1: give Maxim better options as opposed dude chucking it up
Speaker 1: like you know, he doesn't want to run a lap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all. It's just the same thing last week people
Speaker 1: were saying about Parker always really got two targets and
Speaker 1: an interception, and all right, well he was involved today,
Speaker 1: it didn't really matter if the same kind of result happened,
Speaker 1: you know. Like I mean, I'm not trying to pick
Speaker 1: on your point, like I think you're totally right. I
Speaker 1: just think they they're a mess right now, and you know,
Speaker 1: getting those guys involved would be great, but at some
Speaker 1: point they've got to like just establish a baseline and
Speaker 1: not beating themselves, and I don't feel like they're there yet.
Speaker 1: Brent in Vermont on the Patriots postgame show, Hello Brent, Hey, boys,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Well, you know, so, nothing's more infuriating
Speaker 1: than losing a winnable game because we totally had the
Speaker 1: chance to multiple times. And my question is is when
Speaker 1: are we going to go back. I'm not expecting mac
Speaker 1: Zones to be toun Brady by any means, but I
Speaker 1: feel like what made us win in the past was
Speaker 1: playing smart and precisely, you know, whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: the dink and dimes, three four or five yard passes
Speaker 1: and then running it. And I just feel like what
Speaker 1: separated us from the garbage team was making those reckless
Speaker 1: saw throws, which seems like we're trying to do now.
Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering when you guys think we're going
Speaker 1: to go back to how we used to play, you know,
Speaker 1: all through the you know, two thousand to two thousand
Speaker 1: and ten. It would be nice if we could find
Speaker 1: some kind of middle ground between ineffective runs and reckless throws.
Speaker 1: Well and right now there appears to be not a
Speaker 1: lot of middle ground. But remember remember what I was saying,
Speaker 1: well you during the week, Hardy, I was saying that,
Speaker 1: like in Max's for a season, his rookie season, they
Speaker 1: really bottled him up. They protected him from making mistakes
Speaker 1: by the kind of players they were calling in the
Speaker 1: game they were running. And you know, Manning had more
Speaker 1: interceptions and touchdowns his rookie season. He kind of got
Speaker 1: it out of his system. He was allowed, he was
Speaker 1: allowed to make mistakes, and I don't think Mac was
Speaker 1: this year and now this year, I think he's last year.
Speaker 1: Now this year, I think he is. You know, the
Speaker 1: leash has been lengthened a little bit, and I think
Speaker 1: he is able to throw those reckless balls. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you could go ahead in time and tell me
Speaker 1: that because of the mistakes he makes this year, he'll
Speaker 1: learn and he'll get better, then okay, let's have a
Speaker 1: bad season and let's go forward. But I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. He's not Peyton Manning. But I'm okay with
Speaker 1: him chucking it down field. I really am. I really
Speaker 1: you gotta try it, you know, like you can't play
Speaker 1: dank and dunk forever. You know, he's got to get
Speaker 1: because this team doesn't have the consistency to matriculate the
Speaker 1: ball down field. You know, with ten, twelve plays, fourteen plays.
Speaker 1: They've got to take some chances this year. They've got
Speaker 1: to take chances this year, and that's the only way
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a chance on offense. And if they
Speaker 1: you know, if they can't do what they can't do it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a bad season. I said they were
Speaker 1: gonna be eight and nine. It might be worse, you know,
Speaker 1: but but I think in his development, you can't keep
Speaker 1: him under wraps forever. You gotta see what you got here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into week in season three
Speaker 1: with him having not taken chances and us being not
Speaker 1: knowing what we've got with this guy. The only thing
Speaker 1: is today I don't think is that I agree with
Speaker 1: almost everything you said. We talked about this during the week.
Speaker 1: I just don't think today was that day. They threw
Speaker 1: it all over the place today, down the field, and
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining about that. I'm not suggesting that you are.
Speaker 1: I'm saying they today they let him make throws down
Speaker 1: the field and he made He missed some, but he
Speaker 1: made some, and it just wasn't enough. I mean, I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like we know what we have in Mac.
Speaker 1: Not to say that his career is defined, but I
Speaker 1: mean this is what he's been and there were definitely
Speaker 1: some bright spots in that. I think the difference from
Speaker 1: me at Peyton Manning he's kind of like a wild stallion.
Speaker 1: He's a young guy with all the different tools. He's got,
Speaker 1: the strength, the smarts, everything. It's a little easier to
Speaker 1: let those guys just kind of do it, where with Mac,
Speaker 1: I kind of think like he needs to be managed
Speaker 1: a little bit, and clearly with the mistakes that he's
Speaker 1: making something there's some kind of disconnect because he's still
Speaker 1: making those mistakes in the most critical moments when the
Speaker 1: game is really on the line in New England's hanging
Speaker 1: by a threat and they really need a touchdown and
Speaker 1: he puts one up that you know has no prayer
Speaker 1: being completed. So I think he needs to be managed.
Speaker 1: But I think at the same time, we need to
Speaker 1: see what happens when it's his decision. What are his
Speaker 1: decisions going to be, and let him learn from that.
Speaker 1: If he never has to make a decision, he's never
Speaker 1: gonna learn, you know. So I know I'm being very
Speaker 1: simplistic about this, but you gotta let you gotta take
Speaker 1: the training wheels off. Let's see what this guy does
Speaker 1: when it's his decision. And I mean, my question too
Speaker 1: would be, you know, how much freedom does he have
Speaker 1: within this system? You know, like like how much involved
Speaker 1: is he how much does he know what's going on
Speaker 1: to make choices, Whereas maybe he doesn't even really realize
Speaker 1: what his choices are. He's like, I've got one choice,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't know. But my fear is
Speaker 1: like the pick they threw in the end zone where
Speaker 1: he was where he's trying to get it to Parker.
Speaker 1: Was that his decision? Yeah, well it would have been
Speaker 1: his decision. No, the play was designed, but it would
Speaker 1: have been his decision. That's exactly answer. It would have
Speaker 1: been his decision not to throw it, and he made
Speaker 1: the decision to throw it. That's you know, Okay, so
Speaker 1: well you're kind of getting you're kind of getting what
Speaker 1: you're asking for. And it's not a great result, right,
Speaker 1: it's but he needs more of it. Just you can't
Speaker 1: just give up up and on one game he's gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta let him do that. It It took Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning a season, obviously, you know it's gonna take this
Speaker 1: guy a while. This it's it's a tough pause. You know.
Speaker 1: We're told that his superpower, if he has one, is cerebral.
Speaker 1: It's his head. He's very smart. Okay, well, if if
Speaker 1: he's making bad decisions, then he doesn't have that power,
Speaker 1: then he's lost, you know. So you'll only get that
Speaker 1: in the NFL through experience. You'll only get it through
Speaker 1: experience from making bad plays and learning from it. It's
Speaker 1: really really hard to be a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You gotta do it through experience. There's no other way.
Speaker 1: And right now, while I can think about is I
Speaker 1: hope he gets to continue stacking experience right now based
Speaker 1: on the injury, and you know, from like that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's a huge thing right now if he you know,
Speaker 1: if he can't go for a week for longer, you know,
Speaker 1: how much is that going to set him back in
Speaker 1: terms of his development? And you know, this season critically
Speaker 1: important in his second year. It really doesn't. It hurts
Speaker 1: a lot. Frightening, it hurts a lot. Let's go to
Speaker 1: uh Rodney in Cincinnati. Rodney, what I don't think? I
Speaker 1: don't think it's Rodney? Here is this Rodney Harrison? No,
Speaker 1: it's Rodney. Okay, how you doing today, Rodney Mayo? I
Speaker 1: see y'all was trying, y'all trying. We'll be quiet. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: ask your question. What do you guys? I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just hid from d on the defense because right
Speaker 1: at the top of the fourth quarter, you've seen uh
Speaker 1: who would that that make that place for the fumble
Speaker 1: the grab receiver called the bal up. Nelson got hit
Speaker 1: from behind and that's the second fumble for Nelson Agalore
Speaker 1: in three games. So you wonder Baltimore Baltimore top of
Speaker 1: the oh Rashad Bateman fumbled for Baltimore. Yeah, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: questionable for what I'm saying. No, I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: some mine on our defense, No question, I'm sorry I did.
Speaker 1: Our defense sold up today for real. In the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, defense scare up thirty seven points. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was the offense all over. No, not really. We
Speaker 1: got a time eleven plays, sixty nine yards. Let me
Speaker 1: get it out, eight nine place seventy five yards, seven
Speaker 1: place seventy five yards. These are not turnover seven place
Speaker 1: seventy five yards. These are not turnover related points they allowed.
Speaker 1: They had one drive four plays, uh forty four yards
Speaker 1: on the short field that was that was on the
Speaker 1: punt return, not on the turnover. They had a field
Speaker 1: goal drive that they took over, and we went five
Speaker 1: yards on the pick that he threw in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: What what I want to say is is in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarters, the outfense Patriots out, take no time off
Speaker 1: the off the clouds game had our defense right back
Speaker 1: down there so many times. You know, it's a long game.
Speaker 1: And in the fourth quarter, I think we were gads,
Speaker 1: but our offense could getting no tam off the clouds
Speaker 1: for our defense to settle down. If you had I'll
Speaker 1: give it. I'll give you that one. Defense was terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it is what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: the offense was bad, the defense was bad. They made
Speaker 1: some plays during the course of the game, but not enough.
Speaker 1: Not I mean, I'm sorry. I mean those are the
Speaker 1: scoring drive sixty nine yards seventy five yards, seventy five
Speaker 1: yards seventy five. You can't win like that. That's why
Speaker 1: they were gassed them by Baltimore. The Patriots play three
Speaker 1: minutes total time O they in a ball back, they
Speaker 1: give up a punt, Patriots bumble right after three plays.
Speaker 1: Three plays, that's a minute after a punt, and then
Speaker 1: Baltimore go down right for a touchdown. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's just an answer. Well, neither team,
Speaker 1: neither side of the ball complimented the other, right, yeah, Rodney,
Speaker 1: that thanks time. The possession of this game was thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: thirty six seconds to twenty nine minutes and twenty four seconds.
Speaker 1: Let me let me I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me call what it was. And I agree with you, Paul,
Speaker 1: and I think what Rodney is feeling is probably what
Speaker 1: the defense was feeling in that. If I was a
Speaker 1: defensive player on the Patriots today, I probably thought, at
Speaker 1: least toward the end of that game, I was playing
Speaker 1: a little bit better than the offense was and they
Speaker 1: went out there and coughed it up in a couple
Speaker 1: of big It gives the defense credit, That's what That's
Speaker 1: what I That's what I think he's tapping into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I give the defense credit for coming up with two
Speaker 1: stops in the second half out of the six drives
Speaker 1: that Baltimore had. You tell me if that's a good percentage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I give him credit for the three three
Speaker 1: and ounce. You know the I guess the two I
Speaker 1: was gonna say the two three an ounce came in
Speaker 1: the first quarter they played, you know, I mean that
Speaker 1: was a good start second colored someone like the I
Speaker 1: think they played well, and you're like, did you, Mike,
Speaker 1: you nailed it? Because that's exactly what happens. We do
Speaker 1: it all the time when we have a guy that
Speaker 1: we bring them up from the miners in baseball, if
Speaker 1: he gets two hits in his first game. He got
Speaker 1: off to a great start. If he goes over four,
Speaker 1: he's done. Yeah, Like, it's all about what you do
Speaker 1: immediately they did. They had two three and outs out
Speaker 1: of the first three possessions, and they never stopped him again.
Speaker 1: To use Fred's old line, you do it all the time.
Speaker 1: Would you take two steps back from the red please?
Speaker 1: Would you take those twenty dollars bills out? Please? Are
Speaker 1: you read? Yeah? Well? Is that why they call you? Right? Oh?
Speaker 1: It's short for would. My last name is would Doe.
Speaker 1: You're here? Click? What's your first name? Bill? People not
Speaker 1: listening all over the world. Thank you for your time. Bill. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's get to misconfiguration, no idea what he was talking about.
Speaker 1: Let's get to some of these emails. Um, at least
Speaker 1: not everybody is jumping ship and you know there there's
Speaker 1: there are some cooler heads prevailing. Uh, pats are done,
Speaker 1: says Alex. Bill hated Brady. He'd rather not He'd rather
Speaker 1: not compete than compete with Brady. Bill thought he was
Speaker 1: the franchise. Mac was a mistake. Patriots done till Bill
Speaker 1: goes that's from Alex. Okay, I just think this was
Speaker 1: one of those games that it's it's frustrating because it's
Speaker 1: almost better to get blasted like they did a lot
Speaker 1: of things well today. Yeah, I agree, but they did
Speaker 1: a lot of things wrong. Yeah, I mean I want
Speaker 1: to say, I mean it's the same year, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, before the mistakes, I was like, he's
Speaker 1: made some of the best throws and certainly had the
Speaker 1: best you know, first half. I think that they had
Speaker 1: you know that he's had this year with some of
Speaker 1: that stuff I wasn't expecting. But he can't sweep them.
Speaker 1: They made some chunk plays, but they didn't get anything
Speaker 1: out of them. Ye, Like like the first two drives,
Speaker 1: I think they had thirty yard completions to part her
Speaker 1: yep um, and they got ended up with three points
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, if you told me that Parker
Speaker 1: was gonna have one hundred and fifty six yards or
Speaker 1: whatever he had and get announced as having a career
Speaker 1: high and then not all right, but that's but I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, Patriots win, but not even close. Really. Uh.
Speaker 1: John Beecham in Derby, he says, pronounced Dorby, England. Uh.
Speaker 1: He says, Look, I'm baffled by the lack of plays
Speaker 1: Born has been getting. I get he was late and
Speaker 1: discipline needs to be shown, but surely now he should
Speaker 1: be getting more throws or does Mac just not fancy him?
Speaker 1: Was he was he playing more last year? Yeah? Like this,
Speaker 1: he's played playing single digit snaps on average. He didn't play.
Speaker 1: He didn't play much today until the very end. Is
Speaker 1: it that bad? I don't know if they went with
Speaker 1: little jury over him? Yeah, I don't know. That's why
Speaker 1: I say, like, you can give me credit. I don't
Speaker 1: just what I said in pregame didn't happen. I just
Speaker 1: don't know why people see him. I don't know who
Speaker 1: the savior is. Like you want to say, get the
Speaker 1: tight ends involved, that's the savior. You get Kendrick Bourne involved,
Speaker 1: That's a savior. Like like, I don't think it merely
Speaker 1: matters like I think they need. They have so many
Speaker 1: more things they need to get in order. I think
Speaker 1: before those guys can be complimentary pieces that help them
Speaker 1: win if if they do, I think, if they play
Speaker 1: on the average, would they get four hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven yards of offense like they did today? Right? And
Speaker 1: as part of that they run for one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five yards over five yards to carry. If they
Speaker 1: play offense like that on a consistent basis, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be Okay. They just made too many mistakes today to
Speaker 1: win the game. And I would also say most games,
Speaker 1: twenty six points is going to have you in position
Speaker 1: to win. Now, today it wasn't even close. But I
Speaker 1: think most times, if the Patriots go to twenty six,
Speaker 1: they should, they should have a really good chance to win.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what frustrates piece some people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they've been you know, they're they're on
Speaker 1: the uptrend in terms of being able to put points
Speaker 1: on the board. And I wanted to score at least
Speaker 1: twenty four points today, but you're gonna have to have
Speaker 1: a great defensive effort. It wasn't consistent. Thirteen in the
Speaker 1: first half, thirteen in the second half. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: they moved the ball reasonably well. They only punted like twice.
Speaker 1: Matt In framing him, says Paul, this is for you, Paul. Okay,
Speaker 1: at what point can we point the finger at Bill
Speaker 1: for all the dumbass football and bad coaching and Mac
Speaker 1: Jones once again heading to the X ray and Mr
Speaker 1: Rye Room Bill has lost it. I had Bill in
Speaker 1: the coaching at large on my bad list today. The
Speaker 1: thing is that, you know what, you look at the turnovers,
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not Patriots football, Yes, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's post Brady Patriots football. I think Bill got maybe
Speaker 1: too much credit for the lack of turnovers during the
Speaker 1: Patriots air of football, and now maybe is getting too
Speaker 1: much blame for the turnovers. It's the players out there,
Speaker 1: and it gets punched off that Bill I say stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I think it's so I think it's so
Speaker 1: odd that we often equate a well coached team is
Speaker 1: always the one of the least penalized teams. They don't
Speaker 1: turn it off wit Dan Campbell, I think is a
Speaker 1: lug nut. Do you think he tells his guys to
Speaker 1: go out there and jump offside and drop the ball
Speaker 1: and make sure that you create as many make sure
Speaker 1: you give the other team as many turnovers, probably some
Speaker 1: push ups in practice every time they do. You know, like,
Speaker 1: Bill's a great coach because I think his preparation, his
Speaker 1: game plans, his ability to decipher what the other team's doing.
Speaker 1: That's why I think he's a great coach. Not because
Speaker 1: when Brady was here, they were very few turnovers. Brady
Speaker 1: was great. That's why they didn't turn it over a lot.
Speaker 1: Now they had another twelve men, it only cost them
Speaker 1: a yard. It was down in the I think that
Speaker 1: was I know it sounds stupid. I think that was
Speaker 1: a big yard. Yeah, but still, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: you can't do that, you know, Dah's and that's what
Speaker 1: you know. Look, that's what the good teams don't do,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's I mean, Bill, no, Bill, it's
Speaker 1: just about good team, bad team. Bad teams make turnovers
Speaker 1: and don't make bad caddies at the end, bad caddying.
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean and and Bill says, blame me.
Speaker 1: But when I said it before the season, I was
Speaker 1: worried more about the defense than the offense. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm This is the kind of game. This is
Speaker 1: because they they put a certain stretched stress on a
Speaker 1: team like the Patriots, where you don't have the guy
Speaker 1: up front or the guy in the back where you
Speaker 1: can play man on man. And you know David Andrew
Speaker 1: not uh yeah, Andrew, Mark Mark Andrews is wide open
Speaker 1: because the Patriots are picking their poison. They're heavy upfront
Speaker 1: to try to limit Lamar and you know, they're you know,
Speaker 1: you know, playing that zone in the back, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the fields wide open for a tight end
Speaker 1: and he's good. Yeah, you know, like any tight end
Speaker 1: would have done that today, because that's what the Patriots
Speaker 1: were given up. They can't cover the whole field. Adrian
Speaker 1: Phillips had some problems earlier. I thought on Mark Andrews,
Speaker 1: and I was sorry. I think they went to him
Speaker 1: like thirteen times. They threw to him a lot today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a point where they took him out a
Speaker 1: little bit, but eight catches on thirteen targets. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think in general, when they didn't connect he was there.
Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't covered pretty well a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Once down the sideline, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: He kind of off he awkwardly threw his hands up,
Speaker 1: but I thought there was a couple that went off
Speaker 1: one and went off his shoulder as he was trying
Speaker 1: to slide down for some reason. I didn't know why
Speaker 1: he was sliding down. I thought they had chances to
Speaker 1: make more plays than they did, and I was surprised
Speaker 1: that he was as much of the as much of
Speaker 1: the offense as he was. You figured they would make
Speaker 1: the wide receivers beat them, and they didn't. It just
Speaker 1: feels like such a unique team too to face, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you judge your whole defense off
Speaker 1: of this. They're they're good. They've got a very good
Speaker 1: quarterback who just does two things so well, and just
Speaker 1: it's such a unique, weird kind of thing to deal with.
Speaker 1: But you know next time you'll see with like prepared
Speaker 1: to get beat similarly next week, but in a different way.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be like Aaron Rodgers running for
Speaker 1: one hundred yards. I'll be picking them apart and the
Speaker 1: blow up coverages are going to Yeah. Yeah, I want
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Speaker 1: from Ian Rappaport saying mac Jones has X rays on
Speaker 1: his ankle following the game and they were negative. His
Speaker 1: ankle will continue to be evaluated. I would think, all right, positive, positive,
Speaker 1: it's on a broken ankle. But keys to recovery presented
Speaker 1: by Rob Who would lambeaux mac Jones or Brian Hoyer?
Speaker 1: Joe come on, yeah, come on Hoyer obviously where is he? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the practice squad, I guess it was. Yeah, all right, uh,
Speaker 1: five past five hundred. We'll hear from Bill Belichick here
Speaker 1: in a moment. Don't blink her or you'll miss it.
Speaker 1: It's a quick post game but we'll I get to
Speaker 1: that here in a little bit. But first we go
Speaker 1: to Ray in Texas. Ray, what's going on? You're on
Speaker 1: the post game show? Yo? It's pose. I try to
Speaker 1: get on the pregame show. But I guess I dropped
Speaker 1: the call earlier. Oh I'm sorry. Okay, it says Ray here,
Speaker 1: but this is Jose, Okay, I didn't get good a
Speaker 1: flush this time. Questions. I know the offense is basically
Speaker 1: what we're gonna see about him minus Jones, But that defense.
Speaker 1: Are we ever going to see a linebacking corps lanky
Speaker 1: really our second stream? I know that McClane was hurt,
Speaker 1: but and Dougger. No, you had Juwan Bentley, uh, Josh Uch,
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings, Mack Wilson, Gelanni Tavai. Those guys were all
Speaker 1: out there today. I don't think you saw Longkie at
Speaker 1: all except for on special ties, right. I guess I
Speaker 1: saw him. He was towards the end of the game,
Speaker 1: maybe like at the very end, but I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't notice him out there. Um. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you're right though. The defense, they didn't really come to
Speaker 1: play today the beginning. Dietrich wise really had a really
Speaker 1: good game, and then Judon really disappeared. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Judean was was probably getting credit for some things
Speaker 1: early on that he may have been doing later also.
Speaker 1: But you know, once Lamar was able to get up
Speaker 1: and get through the pocket and get past the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, there was one play there in the third
Speaker 1: quarter where he picked up ten yards after what should
Speaker 1: have after the point where he should have been tackled.
Speaker 1: And you know there were points like that. You know,
Speaker 1: that's no longer Judon's fault. You know, I think he
Speaker 1: was doing a good job of either either pursuing or
Speaker 1: hanging back and you know, and playing the role of
Speaker 1: spy on him to keep him from getting out. But
Speaker 1: a couple of those plays, especially in the second half,
Speaker 1: once he crossed the line of scrimmage. What can you say?
Speaker 1: I can I can beat up on the Patriots defense
Speaker 1: some more, which they deserve, or I can also give
Speaker 1: credit to a pretty special football player in Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: I think you got to do both. That's true, And
Speaker 1: I think that I would air on the side of
Speaker 1: saying Lamar Jackson's a really good player and he made
Speaker 1: a lot of plays. I just I want the opposite
Speaker 1: to be true too. Last week, the Patriots defense was
Speaker 1: dominant against a medioc are too bad quarterback in Mitchell Drubisky.
Speaker 1: But we don't do that, right, We don't say that
Speaker 1: the Patriots only looked good on defense because the other
Speaker 1: team couldn't make any plays. Right, So they're supposed to
Speaker 1: make plays. Yeah, you need to get at the end
Speaker 1: you couldn't get and they did. And I will say
Speaker 1: this as an improvement from last year. In these similar
Speaker 1: kind of situations, they stripped for Shot Bateman in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, down five, and then they got I think
Speaker 1: there were a couple of first downs, and then they
Speaker 1: forced a punt, which was a terrible punt by the way,
Speaker 1: It's like a twenty three yard punt, you know, to
Speaker 1: give them another chance, and they couldn't take advantage of
Speaker 1: the Patriots turned it over. Um. Sorry, well, yes, we
Speaker 1: are going to go to another phone call here, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna get to Bill Belichick here in a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, we'll go to Mike in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Who's got a comparison here? Or is it a question?
Speaker 1: What is it Mike? Hey, guys, just a couple of points.
Speaker 1: So really, you know, Mac had his moments today, but
Speaker 1: turnovers offensively overall isn't gonna win you very many games, right,
Speaker 1: But I really want to highlight a couple of coaching things. One,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne had twenty snaps today, Little Jordan had fifty three,
Speaker 1: and Little Jordan didn't show up on the stat sheet
Speaker 1: at all, which I guess he's a good run blocker.
Speaker 1: But yeah, come on, guys, like he's not giving us anny,
Speaker 1: but that's what he's out there for. He's basically a
Speaker 1: third tight end when he's on the field, or second
Speaker 1: tight end at times. Second ten. Yeah, but then on defensively,
Speaker 1: I mean coming into the game, we knew Jackson was
Speaker 1: going to be hard. It's hard to stop. But Andrews
Speaker 1: is his go to guy. He's the only one that
Speaker 1: beat us up all day and we couldn't have found
Speaker 1: an answer to try to take him away. It just
Speaker 1: seemed like he was just eating us up all day.
Speaker 1: We had no answers. Yeah. I thought Bateman made up
Speaker 1: big play in the last drive too, you know when
Speaker 1: he left Jonathan Jones standing still flat footed for a
Speaker 1: thirty five yard catching run. That was a big play
Speaker 1: to get that last touchdown drive started. And DuVernay I thought,
Speaker 1: made a tough touchdown catching the corner over Miles Bryan break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great catch. So like they didn't have like the volume,
Speaker 1: they only had two catches each, but big place. They
Speaker 1: both made big plays. All right, Mike, thanks appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the called. Oh Tony in Canada, were you
Speaker 1: heard from the pregame? A little postgame action here from Tony?
Speaker 1: What's up Tony? Guys? Well? Disappointed about the loss, of course,
Speaker 1: you know, the one good thing I guess that I
Speaker 1: was a little bit surprised about. You know how we
Speaker 1: used to say that whenever the pack Paths would get
Speaker 1: behind by a touchdown or two scores, it was over. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never felt that way, you know. I felt like
Speaker 1: they were always in the game, that there was a chance.
Speaker 1: So I was hardened by that. But but ultimately it
Speaker 1: was the same result. It's true, But I mean it
Speaker 1: shows we're making progress, right because I guess we did.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really know what the path had
Speaker 1: in them. I didn't didn't know how confident was wasn't
Speaker 1: more often. I guess they showed a little bit more
Speaker 1: than what I expected. So I was hardened by that.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you end of the game, I
Speaker 1: forgot all about the loss. I saw maclift it off
Speaker 1: the field. I'm I don't know if you guys know,
Speaker 1: but I'm a big Mac Jones fan, and I can
Speaker 1: tell you I'm not hardened at all with the With
Speaker 1: the Brian Hoyer playing the rest of the down, I
Speaker 1: don't know what looks like, well, well that's race, we're negative.
Speaker 1: We'll see, um, we'll see what situation. What the situation
Speaker 1: is when we get some more clarity, probably start of
Speaker 1: next week. Look progress and if he comes in next
Speaker 1: week with his ankle taped up and you know, gutsie
Speaker 1: before if you take away his legs right now, I right,
Speaker 1: not too hopeful, No tough situation. I think. I still
Speaker 1: think there's a fair you know, average to better than
Speaker 1: average chance that Hoyer has to play next week. And
Speaker 1: in terms of the progress of the Patriots main today, yeah,
Speaker 1: they scored more points. The really the only thing I
Speaker 1: can truly say is I don't feel any worse about
Speaker 1: the team now than I did going into the game.
Speaker 1: I think they they don't go backwards. They didn't go backwards.
Speaker 1: But to point is that because he feels better, they're
Speaker 1: getting better. But like my point, I don't feel worse.
Speaker 1: It might have felt better about it, but that was
Speaker 1: the same pattern that we saw down the stretch last year.
Speaker 1: They're down two scores, they can't catch up. There, you
Speaker 1: go down two scores late in the game, they can't
Speaker 1: catch up. There was some there was some talk of that,
Speaker 1: you know, during the game, it's like this team isn't
Speaker 1: built to play from behind. I'm like, no kidding, you know,
Speaker 1: that's it's like, that's not news, that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: just that they've got a team, but that you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's largely the team that they had last year.
Speaker 1: And that team wasn't built to come from behind. To
Speaker 1: be fair, there aren't a lot of great teams at
Speaker 1: a quote unquote built to come from Just thinking that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to get into a whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you were a great team, why are you behind? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now I know there are three teams that can come
Speaker 1: back and manager come this year, We're gonna build our
Speaker 1: team to come from behind. There are certainly teams that
Speaker 1: are more you know more. You know, Kansas City's not
Speaker 1: gonna bat an eye if they fall down ten nothing
Speaker 1: in the first squar you know, the Bills. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams that built to score points
Speaker 1: right right right, But you don't want to fall you
Speaker 1: fall behind. It's not the way you're built, and it
Speaker 1: would be an odd way to build a ball club. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think that was part of the buzz kill
Speaker 1: though today was that I I mean, I agree with
Speaker 1: Tony in the early going that it felt like defense
Speaker 1: is coming to play. There there were plays and you know,
Speaker 1: series where Lamar looked a little bit confused. It looked
Speaker 1: like they were keeping him in the pocket. He didn't
Speaker 1: quite know where to go. They weren't letting him scored out.
Speaker 1: And even when he was, they were managing the damage.
Speaker 1: And you know, the big place to Parker like you
Speaker 1: had some excitement of like are they turning a page here?
Speaker 1: You know, even when they came back with the field
Speaker 1: goal before halftime, it was like, man, these guys are
Speaker 1: showing some mental toughness. Like I keep saying, I think
Speaker 1: they did a lot of good things. I think the
Speaker 1: promises on paper today four hundred and some odd plus
Speaker 1: yards of offense, we haven't seen that in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that gives us promise a little and four turnovers,
Speaker 1: you know, so right, well, it's like, you know, it
Speaker 1: kind of goes to passing a little bit where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: if we could just eliminate the turnovers. But then at
Speaker 1: the same point, it's like they keep making the turnover, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's part of them right now. Yeah, that's who
Speaker 1: they are. Kobe, Kobe and Louisiana. What's up Kobe, Kobe? Hey, man,
Speaker 1: what's going on? How y'all doing today? Good. Thanks for
Speaker 1: calling in, Kobe. What do you got for us? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm a douarst man. I just think, man, in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, we gotta in secure. We can't be giving
Speaker 1: the ball the way light that yeah, to get some
Speaker 1: points on the on the board. And I really felt
Speaker 1: like when we head through the ball we went Matt
Speaker 1: through the interception, we were supposed to go get three points,
Speaker 1: and I think the beefing need to come out of
Speaker 1: there and play real good and get the ball bag.
Speaker 1: How y'all feel about the Well, certainly three would have
Speaker 1: been better than the turnover, but I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: was wanting them to settle for three points in that
Speaker 1: moment before the ball was turned over. I think everybody
Speaker 1: was thinking touchdown. Sure so yeah, but but in French time,
Speaker 1: the better team don't make mistakes, yes right, yes, right,
Speaker 1: And and that's that's what you're looking You're not looking
Speaker 1: at one of the better teams right now. You're looking
Speaker 1: at a team that's still finding this way and is
Speaker 1: still trying to right. Because I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: these are the kind of games back in the day,
Speaker 1: back and forth, you knew the Patriots were going to
Speaker 1: make the play to win it, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, and that this is back to Tony in
Speaker 1: Canada's you know, when he said I felt better, and like,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was thinking of when Richad Bateman
Speaker 1: fumbled when Tom Brady was the quarterback. I put that
Speaker 1: seven on the board and said to myself, how much
Speaker 1: time is now left for the defense to hold on?
Speaker 1: And I never thought that way today, you know, I
Speaker 1: never just automatically put the seven on the board. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, let's see how they take it. It
Speaker 1: was more like me flirting with myself, being like, maybe
Speaker 1: they'll just get to the point where they'll be one
Speaker 1: score down with a chance to take you know, like
Speaker 1: could they just get to that situation, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and it was it was close, you know, like
Speaker 1: they mean they get that two point conversion. It might
Speaker 1: have you know, you might you might have had a
Speaker 1: little bit of a different turnout, but then just not
Speaker 1: enough and too many mistakes, too late. Well, if you
Speaker 1: want positive chances, but they couldn't score. If you want
Speaker 1: to hear about the chances and the positivity in the progress,
Speaker 1: how many times they made it maybe into Baltimore Territory,
Speaker 1: tell us about that. Let's let's hear from head coach
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. See what he has to say about it
Speaker 1: in his postgame press conference. Bill, defensively three touchdowns of
Speaker 1: seventy plus yards surrendered. Just defensively, you know, any what
Speaker 1: were the problems today? They had a couple of explosive plays, Um,
Speaker 1: the drives or seven yards. There wasn't any seventy yard plays. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a couple of opportunities to get all filled
Speaker 1: on third down. They were good first and second down
Speaker 1: team and that's really where they hurt and moost. But
Speaker 1: they had a couple of third down conversions that kept
Speaker 1: those drives going. Um. You know, we had some stops,
Speaker 1: we had some turnovers, and then we weren't able to
Speaker 1: you know, capitalize on those and we got them. So um,
Speaker 1: it's really you know, just you know, total team football. Bill,
Speaker 1: you talked about the opportunities late in the game. Can
Speaker 1: you just talk about I guess the four late turnovers
Speaker 1: or really the dagger in this one. How upsetting that
Speaker 1: is to happen late in the game like that on offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I'm gonna win. Turn the ball over in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Oh, you know you're behind, you gotta
Speaker 1: be aggressive, but um, still those Yah, we got to
Speaker 1: do a better job than we did on those plays,
Speaker 1: for sure, Bill. Thirty seconds before halftime, you guys manage
Speaker 1: to u you get some passes and I go for
Speaker 1: the field goal. The past couple of years, you guys
Speaker 1: have been pretty conservative in that particular area before halftime.
Speaker 1: What in particular is sort of different this year that
Speaker 1: led you too being more aggressive in that scenario. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think each game in these situations different, So I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure what game situation referring to in the past,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really matter. Today. We thought that we
Speaker 1: had had an opportunity to do that. Um, we're able
Speaker 1: to you know, get the ball and field goal range,
Speaker 1: get out of bounce on with no timeouts on the
Speaker 1: next last play, and then Nick made a good kick. Bill.
Speaker 1: What did the Ravens do in the second half there
Speaker 1: with the Lamar Jackson run game that led to them
Speaker 1: being as effective as they were? Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: there are any any new plays. Um, you know they ran,
Speaker 1: you know, they're secat plays and Lamar did a good
Speaker 1: job on you know, keeping some of those or not
Speaker 1: keeping you know, the option choices that he made, and
Speaker 1: you know, we lost leverage and missed a couple of
Speaker 1: tackles there. So combination of all those things, Bill, going
Speaker 1: for the two point try in that spot? What are
Speaker 1: some of the situational things you're weighing when making that call?
Speaker 1: What are what what are some the situational thing some
Speaker 1: of the factors you're considering when you're deciding whether they're
Speaker 1: not to go for two in that spot? Score and
Speaker 1: the time left in the game? Bill, Just what's your
Speaker 1: up shot through three games? Do you feel like this
Speaker 1: was just a couple turnovers here and there, a couple
Speaker 1: of players here and there. Do you feel like the
Speaker 1: team is progressing the way you like in all three phases? Well,
Speaker 1: I made my comments on today's game. I think that's
Speaker 1: really all that matters. Questions good, all right, thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh not as much positivity as I thought there on
Speaker 1: that last question. So there we go. That's your post
Speaker 1: game press conference there with the head coach, Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: I say something real quick, Oh Disney, you have to
Speaker 1: be quick? Well, well, Bill at times can be short,
Speaker 1: you know with the media and with some of our questions.
Speaker 1: We you know, we kind of snicker and you know,
Speaker 1: poke fun at Bill. His answer on the two point
Speaker 1: conversion is that's that's all that needs to be said,
Speaker 1: Like what is what is the you're down to eleven,
Speaker 1: you score a touchdown, you want to get within three,
Speaker 1: So we're only chasing a field goal with five minutes
Speaker 1: left from the game or nine minute whatever the time left?
Speaker 1: It wasn't it was fourth quarter, of course, you go
Speaker 1: for two. Like what is they wanted advance analytics, they
Speaker 1: wanted some kind of like you know, when you really
Speaker 1: look at the odds break up. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: there was there was still you know, uh, twelve thirty
Speaker 1: nine left, so there was still some time left in
Speaker 1: the game. But you definitely go for two there. What
Speaker 1: what else do you think that he was thinking? I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even know. I don't know why to
Speaker 1: ask that question. I mean, it was, it was it
Speaker 1: was obviously. Did anyone not anyone not think they were
Speaker 1: gonna go for two? There? Absolutely no, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean that was the that was it. You go for two,
Speaker 1: that's when you go for it. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't need a chart, you don't need
Speaker 1: an laminated sheet to say that's the that's the situation
Speaker 1: where you go for two right early on. You might
Speaker 1: not do it, but like Bill said, s or in time, yep, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Well anyway, I just thought that that was it.
Speaker 1: It was one of those like short you know, Kurt answers,
Speaker 1: but I think it was that was warm all you needed, okay,
Speaker 1: all the information needed. I still don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: but all the information needed was right there, and that
Speaker 1: means I know you taught me that before you learned
Speaker 1: me that one. Just one quick email before we go
Speaker 1: to break here. It seems to me mac Jones never
Speaker 1: looks off dbs or defenders and is locked in on
Speaker 1: his primary target. It way too much. Uh I knows
Speaker 1: the defense was reading his eyes almost the entire game.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you picked that up from the
Speaker 1: TV set, but uh um, it's four K. What do
Speaker 1: you guys maybe, what do you guys think? I mean,
Speaker 1: excuse me, there's definitely I'm four k. Okay, definitely quite
Speaker 1: a few plays today where the ball just kind of
Speaker 1: seems like it's hanging and you see everybody running to
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be, and you kind of know there's
Speaker 1: just gonna be a moment of impact and you don't
Speaker 1: know who's gonna come down with it, whether it's us
Speaker 1: or them. You know, that's a few through a few
Speaker 1: of those. The the agal Or fumble. I thought he
Speaker 1: was like, oh geez, like he thought Agle was running
Speaker 1: down the field, and I think Fred thought it was picked.
Speaker 1: I thought it was. Yeah, I lost I lost track
Speaker 1: of it too. Yeah, I didn't even see it where
Speaker 1: you saw, but yeah, all of a sudden looked then
Speaker 1: there's Agile or just dashing right. I thought, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't get it over that middle defense.
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Speaker 1: our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy, which by the way,
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Speaker 1: the one who put it. In a rejoin Morrell. So
Speaker 1: you buysh an Altar with a big touchdown? Duce, did
Speaker 1: you get traded? Oh he did? Yeah, Now we just
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Speaker 1: o'clock window. Red zone randomness. All right, So if it's
Speaker 1: two catches, was that ninety yards a touchdown? Wow? Sounds
Speaker 1: like he had one catch for very long Yeah, long
Speaker 1: touchdown to put the game away. Let's get back to
Speaker 1: the phone. Shall fists? Okay? Any any sorry? Sorry? No?
Speaker 1: Any any other fantasy football numbers you want to get
Speaker 1: to anything? Let's go to Mason in Florida. Mason, you're
Speaker 1: on the Patriots post game show. Patriots lose today, by
Speaker 1: the way, thirty seven twenty six at home and their
Speaker 1: home opener to the Ravens. What do you have for us? Mason? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got like a two pronged questions. So I guess,
Speaker 1: first of all, obviously Max injury aside, I want to
Speaker 1: know what you guys thoughts are. I felt like he
Speaker 1: kept us in the game while at the same time
Speaker 1: throwing it away and time yeah right, and then defensively,
Speaker 1: is it just me or since we've gotten Matt judeon.
Speaker 1: He very much still picks the games. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: maybe not intentionally, but the games that he's on, he's on,
Speaker 1: and he's off very frequently. I don't know what your
Speaker 1: guys thoughts on there, but I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think he's been pretty good so far.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think he's I think he's on
Speaker 1: more than he's off. And I think he did have
Speaker 1: you know, it was I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: a decline last year. He just didn't maintain the same
Speaker 1: level early in the season that he did toward the end.
Speaker 1: But you could say that for large portions of the
Speaker 1: team last year. Yeah, I think. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: made some plays, but I mean I think you need
Speaker 1: more guys to make plays around him too. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, you saw it a little bit from
Speaker 1: teacher wise, but this is not enough. At a farmer,
Speaker 1: it's been kind of disappointing. He hasn't really taken that chip,
Speaker 1: you know, tough game for him though, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe next week he's able to you know,
Speaker 1: to get after Aaron Rodgers a little bit more, but
Speaker 1: it's not gonna make a living chasing around Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: But I think you need those guys like like Wilson
Speaker 1: and Dugger who didn't play. Of course, those guys have
Speaker 1: to start making making plays. And you know, especially in
Speaker 1: those key moments down the stretch where they just they
Speaker 1: kind of dried up and Ducker was quiet today. It
Speaker 1: was quiet. Yeah, It's like almost like you do sping Fresno,
Speaker 1: Hi high speed. What's going on? Hey, guys, say Fred,
Speaker 1: how's it hanging? Oh boy? Hanging? Okay? Right two inches
Speaker 1: from the ground. Um. That seems like a little seemed
Speaker 1: like inappropriate with mac Um. You know how we've been
Speaker 1: talking about like he kind of needs everything perfect in
Speaker 1: order to do is what he's supposed to be able
Speaker 1: to do. Um. I thought I kind of was watching
Speaker 1: Kings and I was thinking not that not that it
Speaker 1: was perfect, but it seemed like the pieces, at least
Speaker 1: on this Pigions team, we're kind of like operating maybe
Speaker 1: what their steeling could be. So far, like things were
Speaker 1: asked as perfect as Matt could hope for, and he
Speaker 1: still didn't seem to live up to that stereotype we
Speaker 1: have of him. And I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: thought that way. I think that when I say perfect,
Speaker 1: I mean like the running game is going, the receivers
Speaker 1: are getting open, the defense is shutting down the other team.
Speaker 1: And he didn't get all of that today. I mean
Speaker 1: in his defense. Okay, all right, I mean they out
Speaker 1: thirty seven points. You tell me, Well, the biggest thing
Speaker 1: with with Mac two is, you know, if if his
Speaker 1: superpower is his you know, football mind and his cerebral
Speaker 1: understanding and ability to make decisions and redefense, that I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing that either. I'm seeing some very poor decisions
Speaker 1: out of Mac. So yeah, accurate, drop. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, Parker was playing his role. Um, Parker was
Speaker 1: was very good today. Parker got open today. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I thought that the offensive
Speaker 1: line did it a good job kind of creating a
Speaker 1: pocket for it, and I think they were just until
Speaker 1: I guess until it did it. But then then Mac
Speaker 1: makes that sort of brainless bill for the interception. Backing up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, that was a bad play, no question anyway,
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, have a good one. But I mean, thanks be.
Speaker 1: I thought the past protection was just okay. Today, I
Speaker 1: mean he got sacked three times, he ran for his
Speaker 1: life on a number of other plays, Like I thought
Speaker 1: he made more plays with his legs today than he
Speaker 1: has it anytime during his short career. I mean, Mac, dude,
Speaker 1: you usually have the blitz numbers, how many, what percentage
Speaker 1: did the Ravens. I haven't seen the Ravens blitz numbers yet, um,
Speaker 1: just just the other side of it. But yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye up for it. I'm curious what they
Speaker 1: kind of did to him, but I don't recall too many.
Speaker 1: I know that the interception that Humphrey had was a
Speaker 1: blitz that was definitely a guy from the secondary came
Speaker 1: off the edge. U one email here wondering if Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson mc jones traded uniforms today, who's the undisciplined guy
Speaker 1: and who's the guy who's supposed to keep it all together?
Speaker 1: This is this is to me a great example of
Speaker 1: a five year guy versus a second year guy. You know,
Speaker 1: Lamar it certainly had some issues early on, but hey,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot more just you know, raw talent,
Speaker 1: his ability to pick up yards on his own, and
Speaker 1: he's starting to look like a guy who's been in
Speaker 1: the league for a few years. And that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's just he's got a well to
Speaker 1: go to. And you talk about, you know, what's Max's strength.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you can talk about max intelligence
Speaker 1: or processing and all that kind of stuff, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, a guy who runs a
Speaker 1: frigging four two forty and can just all of a
Speaker 1: sudden tuck it and outrun everybody, Like, it's just there's
Speaker 1: no way to count for that, and he'll always have
Speaker 1: that speed. And you know, now as his throwing ability
Speaker 1: has kind of come along again, you know you just
Speaker 1: saw you saw glimpses of it. Oh, this is what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do. Keep him in the pocket. He
Speaker 1: doesn't quite know where to go. He has nowhere to
Speaker 1: run out, and you know they have those moments, but
Speaker 1: they just they can't. They can't sustain it through it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to do. I mean, speaking of good running,
Speaker 1: I wasn't here earlier. I assumed that you had Stevenson
Speaker 1: on your good list, which, yeah, because he had some
Speaker 1: really nice runs. Yeah, I would agree. I thought he
Speaker 1: gave them a lift. I would just say the one thing, like,
Speaker 1: I know that's not the point of the emails comment,
Speaker 1: but Lamar Jackson has never really been a mistake prone quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's not the greatest pure passer that I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, He's only been in double digits
Speaker 1: and interceptions once in his whole career, and that was
Speaker 1: when he threw thirteen. It's not like he threw one
Speaker 1: in garbage time. This year. A little more zip on
Speaker 1: those intermediate throws that I then I remember seeing in
Speaker 1: even last year. It gets a little loose. And there
Speaker 1: were times today that I thought the elbow drops and
Speaker 1: the ball goes up, you know. And he's still there's
Speaker 1: like a little loose at times. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever really been a hugely mistake
Speaker 1: prone quarterback. And feel free to join us for the
Speaker 1: entire postgame show, Freddy, you don't have to wander in,
Speaker 1: you know, ten fifteen minutes in. I stay till the
Speaker 1: end of the game, and then I have to clean up.
Speaker 1: And there's some things. What traffic they have you cleaning
Speaker 1: up now and picking up after other people have a
Speaker 1: lot of things. You've never seen my setup in the
Speaker 1: press box. Pick them all off when I'm done. I
Speaker 1: can't leave my toys out. What do you have up there.
Speaker 1: I have things, satellite technology, things, technology at things. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love technology. I have to clean it up when
Speaker 1: I'm done. Okay, okay, uh sitting, I listened to Bill Okay, Courtney,
Speaker 1: and Houston says, pull the plug. If Mac is down
Speaker 1: for real time, does it make any sense for Craft
Speaker 1: to pull the plug on the Bill Mac tenure and
Speaker 1: start fresh with over thirty million in cap space next
Speaker 1: season for the Patriots, I'm assuming we win less than
Speaker 1: seven games with Mac or Hoyer. Again, we need to
Speaker 1: reiterate the X rays were negative. But you know, you
Speaker 1: start dealing to high ankle stuff and all the reports
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from Mac going down the hallway, like the screaming,
Speaker 1: crying like in some real pain and high ankle. High
Speaker 1: ankle's nasty. High ankle can linger. High ankle can last
Speaker 1: four months. I mean, even if he can play, how
Speaker 1: confident are you that he's going to be healthy enough
Speaker 1: to deliver a road win in lambeau Field for you know,
Speaker 1: for the Packers, given on how they look. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just the odds are static. On our show during
Speaker 1: the week, you know, somebody asked, like if the Patriots
Speaker 1: have a top pick and they have a quarterback available,
Speaker 1: should they pull the trigger? And most of our listeners
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I think I heard that. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I heard you guys doing some good emay talk too,
Speaker 1: until Due shut it down and said let's start talking football. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was unbelievable. Due's getting things back. We were doing
Speaker 1: emay talk and then we realized we were live video.
Speaker 1: We didn't know we were. Yeah, we had a show
Speaker 1: this week that was on YouTube. It was live on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and we had no idea you're being filmed. For me.
Speaker 1: First of all, I spent the entirety of the show
Speaker 1: being made fun of from mowing a pizza at the
Speaker 1: midway point. You see all the video they pulled to
Speaker 1: that slow motion stuff here. That's what Nick does. He
Speaker 1: does that. There was a guy who came up to
Speaker 1: me at the at the James White event yesterday and said,
Speaker 1: you guys are on YouTube now. I'm like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: And he must have had me confused thinking I was
Speaker 1: here during but during the show, I'm like giving Paul
Speaker 1: signals like you know right, like and I didn't know
Speaker 1: you were a big gesture to each other. I do
Speaker 1: a lot of what nobody knows what this. I can't
Speaker 1: be left to my own devices. I do a lot
Speaker 1: of dumb things. I don't want to be on TV
Speaker 1: if I don't know. It's just the huge I roll
Speaker 1: pizza and two bites exactly. If I had known that,
Speaker 1: I would have at least taken three just rolled it
Speaker 1: up to it right down. It seems like something they
Speaker 1: would have told you about ahead of time. I don't
Speaker 1: know they didn't. Uh surprise, all right, here's Peter and Maryland. Uh.
Speaker 1: My biggest concern is Mac being out for extended time
Speaker 1: will lead to Bill having a built in excuse to
Speaker 1: continue using the franchise to prot to provide career for
Speaker 1: his kids and favorite Lackey's got. These emails are brutal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are the moves he made off season on the whole,
Speaker 1: indefensable in my opinion. Goes on to talk about the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, given that Bill seems adverse to bringing in
Speaker 1: elite talent, how exactly is this team supposed to become
Speaker 1: relevant again? Until the Crafts step in and hit the
Speaker 1: reset button. You know that this was a topic of conversation,
Speaker 1: you know, going into the year when it looks like, wow,
Speaker 1: this could be this could be rough. You know, what
Speaker 1: would it take for for ownership to consider a coaching change.
Speaker 1: And we were split as to like how bad a
Speaker 1: season would have to be, and even if one bad
Speaker 1: season would be enough, we are talking about Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: That's a huge decision. Wow, that's I mean. And if
Speaker 1: Mac missus considerable time and during that stretch, they you know,
Speaker 1: completely fall out of the playoff. Is it fair to
Speaker 1: judge anybody? You know? That's like one of those things
Speaker 1: they'll go back and point to two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: and said you didn't need your guy then why you know, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not they make the playoffs. Uh, they did not
Speaker 1: know right, and they lost seven more games than they
Speaker 1: did the year before five. I forgot that. This is
Speaker 1: one of the things that irks Paul went in the no.
Speaker 1: But I think they deserve a lot of credit for
Speaker 1: not folding right losing their their franchise quarterbacks. There's two.
Speaker 1: In one hand, I think they deserve a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for that. On the other hand, I think they've
Speaker 1: given credit for not having slipped while losing the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and they slipped precipitously, and not only that, it clearly
Speaker 1: was one of those years that was odd in the
Speaker 1: AFC that there were so many teams that had good
Speaker 1: It was like you either had like ten or eleven
Speaker 1: wins or three. It was an odd year, like eleven
Speaker 1: and five is great some years. Other years it's not
Speaker 1: good enough to make the playoffs, right, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think more context of that too, is that I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that out of the realm of what
Speaker 1: we've been watching that they haven't really been able to
Speaker 1: beat good teams, you know, and that was that and
Speaker 1: that they beat the Dolphins in Miami and like November
Speaker 1: and that was probably their best win. And then otherwise
Speaker 1: you're losing the Chargers to the Steelers, you lost an
Speaker 1: overtime to the Jets, you know, and the same thing.
Speaker 1: Terrible easy schedule as well as another another factor of that,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think it kind of feeds into
Speaker 1: some of this Max stuff where you know, people call
Speaker 1: us up they're so afraid of, you know, finishing eight
Speaker 1: and eight or finishing in the middle and just bad
Speaker 1: enough not to get a good draft pick. And you know,
Speaker 1: in some ways, I feel like that's kind of what
Speaker 1: Mac is is the quarterback. He's not so bad that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a two three win season, But is
Speaker 1: he gonna get you over the ten win hump? That's
Speaker 1: the question. I've got a shoebox at home, just full
Speaker 1: of tiny pieces of folded paper things that irk Paul,
Speaker 1: and in them you'll find uh Patriots or Brady's bad
Speaker 1: season in two thousand and two. That'll set you off.
Speaker 1: Regular PEPSI led the league in touchdown passes, thank you,
Speaker 1: and the Patriots great season in two thousand and eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one is a little less, but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right to put it in that folder. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a shoe box, all right. Shoe box. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: shoe box. I have a shoe box of things that
Speaker 1: what Oh my god, let's shots later, heading to the
Speaker 1: locker room. Let's let's wrap things up here. Final thoughts
Speaker 1: on the Patriots home opener here, of course, it's a
Speaker 1: loss to the Bravens thirty seven twenty six, Fred any
Speaker 1: any parting thoughts? Are we done already? Yeah? Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't feel any worse about the
Speaker 1: team after this loss than they did going in. You know,
Speaker 1: totally agree, totally agree, But that's said. I predicted eight
Speaker 1: nine this year, So they're gonna lose games. Yeah, yeah, yea.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it's all just about Mac and
Speaker 1: his injury, and you know, if he has to sit
Speaker 1: out some games, how's that going to derail them? I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see Howyer, But I get when people are
Speaker 1: talking about Zappie. You're interested to see Hoyer. Why because
Speaker 1: I'm curious what this looks like with a different quarterback.
Speaker 1: Just that, I mean, I'm curious. I have no interest
Speaker 1: in that. I literally I'd rather see Yeah serious, Bailey, No,
Speaker 1: I get it because as as good, even if it
Speaker 1: were better, there's no future in it, right right, But
Speaker 1: then then maybe there's no future in Mac if it
Speaker 1: looks better without him. Yeah, I have I share is
Speaker 1: trying to shut the door on Mac. Now. I share
Speaker 1: Mike's um sort of interest in seeing if it looks
Speaker 1: any different, because I think there were times in the
Speaker 1: summer that it did look different for the better. I
Speaker 1: blow that off for preseason and experienced quarterback in preseason
Speaker 1: is going to rip apart the soft game playing list defenses.
Speaker 1: But Hoya has been in the league for fifty years
Speaker 1: and I've seen him make the same mistakes Mac mate today.
Speaker 1: So I don't. I agree. And the thing that would
Speaker 1: override that to me is I don't want to see
Speaker 1: Hoyer because this is all I like. Let's let's just say,
Speaker 1: for argument, say Horrier comes in and has to play
Speaker 1: five games and they go five and oh when he
Speaker 1: lights it up, doesn't do anything for the overall progression
Speaker 1: of the team, right, like in twenty twenty two. It's great,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't do anything to help your problem. All right,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not really interested in seeing it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody for involved in both the pre
Speaker 1: and postgame show. Next week will be a four twenty
Speaker 1: five kick in Green Bay as the Patriots and whoever
Speaker 1: ends up playing quarterback for them next week. We'll certainly
Speaker 1: be keeping an eye Am Mac Jones this week and
Speaker 1: his evaluation on his injury. After the game, we will
Speaker 1: be here to talk about everything with you, starting at
Speaker 1: let's say two o'clock after your music show. What is
Speaker 1: your music show? Uh, this is where things get a
Speaker 1: little hinky. I'll beyond two places at once next Sunday
Speaker 1: at that time, but it'll be all right, okay. Anybody
Speaker 1: say that's tirade by Ken Dorsey After the Bills game
Speaker 1: he looked like twelve year old Paul Parolo when you
Speaker 1: get throwing stuff around, or Mac Jones when you guys
Speaker 1: hear how you look at it, when's a little Patriots
Speaker 1: unfiltered back on again, you guys do today? Today were
Speaker 1: at where are we landing? Josh Allen was forty two
Speaker 1: for sixty three for four hundred yards and they only
Speaker 1: scored nineteen points. Unbelievable. Wow, wow, Yeah, something happened there
Speaker 1: all right, So until all that happens. Final score for
Speaker 1: the final time here Patriots twenty six, Baltimore thirty seven.
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