WEBVTT - Zane Smith On His Rivalry With Carson Hocevar + Riley Herbst Wants To Change NASCAR Practice 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.560 Hey, I feel like that went good. Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.400 Racing with the Boys is feeled by America's number one sportsbook, Fandel. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.280 Boys were off the Echo Park Speedway down in Atlanta, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.520 a fast, unpredictable track where just about anything can happen. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.840 One minute, you've got a line of cars working together. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.080 The next minute the whole field gets shuffled, and all 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.240 of a sudden, somebody that no one was talking about 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.680 is racing for the wind. And if you're getting in 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.080 on the race this weekend, FANDL has an offer you 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.040 don't want to miss. Fandel is giving new customers up 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.120 to one thousand dollars in bet resets. Here's how it works. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.200 Bet five dollars daily to unlock two hundred two hundred 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.520 dollars and bet resets every day. That's right, New customers 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.600 can five dollars bet each day and received up to 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.120 two hundred dollars back in bonus bets daily, up to 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.160 one thousand dollars in total. With the way this race 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.840 of this track races, nobody is safe until the checkered flag. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.440 It's the kind of race where one late move can 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.800 change everything. So whether you're backing up your favorites, taking 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.800 a flyer on a dark horse, or building out your 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.240 own race card with props and matchups plenty, there's plenty 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.520 of action to get in on. Just head Tofandle dot 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.640 com Forward slash Busting, place your first five dollar bet 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.479 and let's go racing fun episode today. Let's get into it. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:34.960 Do you just want to get to the show? Let's 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.360 do it well it hurts and Zane Smith, these two 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.840 individuals turn left for a living. They grew up together 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.720 in the same area doing Baja. Also Noah Gragson, friend 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.040 of the show, who's been on here as well. All 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.280 these guys grew up out West, one in Huntington Beach, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.360 the other one and Las Vegas, Nevada. Incredible time, can't 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:59.080 wait right apost the boys. Dude, you've already pulled the 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.000 Jamie thing. We've brought up Noah, he's an absolute psychopath. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.320 He came in here just absolutely gritting his face off, Like, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.160 what is the relationship between you three? 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:08.080 You know what? 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.400 Basically tell me your love story, dude, tell me how 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:11.000 you guys met. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.200 I met him in a park before the first day 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.960 of fourth grade, and my life has been changed ever since. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.000 I don't know if it's good for the good or bad? 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.720 But yeah, day school. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:22.320 Started on Monday. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.640 I met him on Sunday throwing a football in a 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.880 park and yeah, there's a photo of the three of us. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.600 We made a first off right there. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.799 I mean kind of nice. Right, that's getting about a 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.160 little deal with a little bass in your hand. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.400 The carp is crazy. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.000 We carp my bad. Yeah, definite crazy. I mean bass, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:41.600 I meant carp. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.560 I mean just off of sugar high right there? Just 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:46.360 ripping life? 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:46.600 Man? 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.760 Is there anything better than just being eight years old 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.520 and a bag full of sugar in your body, just 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.519 getting after it with your boys knowing the crashes inevitably 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.360 going to comment, yes, yeah, that's also was Noah? Was 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.400 he the same way as he is worth? Yeah, I'm 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.520 sure he's like the ad D poster child of Nascar. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.959 Yes, did he tell you he went to military school? 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.120 I don't think he did. Did he tell us that? 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.160 Yeah? He got he got sent away for a year 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:10.440 and a half. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.519 He was a bad boy. He was being a bad 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:14.880 did he just know? 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.760 But a younger version of him, was he. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.600 Was he pedaling? Or was he a fevery? What was 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.880 going on? He was he in the weeds in Las Vegas. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:28.040 No, no, weeds all there he is left side. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.960 Yes, that's incredible deep down has that character in him? Man? 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.480 Yeah, the military with the sore character. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.720 Did he'll just like go through I don't know times 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.840 where he'll get on a kick and like you'll go 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.640 over to know his house one time and he might 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.240 just be dressed like that just for the love of 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:47.560 the game. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.560 Did I do actually love that about Like I don't. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.320 Clearly I don't know him very well, but you just know, 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.920 seeing his energy and just how he was bouncing off 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.600 the walls left right and said, I can definitely see 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.880 him playing a bit and just being a random Wednesday. 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:01.360 But you know what, I'm gonna put some military clothes 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.600 on and just maybe one of my boys will come 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.480 over and see me dialed in like that. Wellw did. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.840 What's fascinating to me about the racing thing is like 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.880 I grew up in traditional sports, right, I played hockey, baseball, basketball, football, 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.040 and then clearly football ended up being my thing. How like, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.440 how did you guys find the love of racing? 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.039 Yeah, I mean, I mean, since we're talking about note 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.000 like Noah didn't get his start in racing till he 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.280 was like a he was late like probably. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.080 What twelve yeah, fourteen yeah, fourteen? 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.560 Uh Like for Riley and I, I mean I've been 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.320 racing since I was three years old. I grew up 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.560 on VMX bikes and I wanted to race supercross, still 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.919 really into supercross, but then got into karting and just 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.760 we grew up around racing our whole life. And so 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:49.920 my dad was a team manager for the Offred race team, 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.080 which Riley is at the time raced. He actually raced, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.039 and so like we just yeah, grew up around it 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.400 and that's all we've ever known, just going. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.279 To the race track, just spending time with your fan family. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.920 I don't know, we were talking about being eight years old. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.599 We always kind of like thought that everybody went to 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.360 the racetrack on the weekend because we didn't go to 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.160 football practice. And then you start to get older and 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.560 you're like, oh, people are going to prom and shit, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.960 you're skipping everything high school? 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.479 Now are you as homeschooling this or you guys like 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.159 and we're doing public school. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.360 But we're just kind of yeah, we're like I got 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:21.719 kicked out actually in high school. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.080 Okay, so you're also the bad kid. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:24.920 Well, I missed doing days of school. They're like, Yo, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:25.960 this is not going to cut it. 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.359 Really, When did you kick out of. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.000 School halfway through sophomore year of high school? 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.240 And that's when you're going ged route all the way? 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:33.040 Yeah? 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.240 No shit, Yeah, I don't even know if I got one, honestly, Like, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.360 and you bailed. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.400 To like okay, so we just had a bunch of 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.400 bad boys out here, huh. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.120 Well, Like, so I moved to North Carolina when I 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.279 was like fifteen years old pretty much, and I was 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.440 like going back and forth, but was out there, and 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.120 I just raced all the time. Like you go from 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.160 on the West Coast you only race, I don't know, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.719 like a couple times a month, and then when you 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.000 go to North Carolina, you race like a few times 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.240 a week. And so there was no time for school 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.719 and so not good. But I mean I graduated eighth grade, 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.600 went to like and did online school, and pretty much 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.680 did my freshman sophomore year and then sort of just 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:11.600 kind of gave up on it. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.600 Hope she just gave up on school. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.839 Yeah, I mean, like, I just what you're gonna do, man? 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.960 Yeah, if yeah, you love what you're doing, just go 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.160 ahead and chase that dream. It's also like the it's like, uh, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.320 you see so many people even in their late thirties, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.560 like having like an identity Christ, who they are, what 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.039 they want to be. It's got to be like the 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.440 most free thing in the world to be fourteen years old. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.039 Fifteen years old, but like I know exactly what I 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:33.520 want to do. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.000 Yeah, but it's nervous too because if you don't, if 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.720 you don't get to the top, then. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.240 Yeah, then then you're in your twenties with no no 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.120 high school degree. I was hopefully figuring it all out. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.000 Then you were saying that you did supercross a little bit. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:47.920 I wanted to. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.320 That was so you, Like, so were you Like I 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.200 grew up in Arizona and like, my I'm clearly older 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.520 than you guys, but I was all until like Krusty 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.880 Demon's minimolit Nitro circus, like Travis Shawn and Brian Degan, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.320 those are my heroes growing up. Were you getting on 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:03.360 the bike and doing a little. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.080 Yeah, I mean I never like, I mean I probably 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.560 the biggest spike I rid was like a pretty much 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:09.200 like a eighty five. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.680 Yeah, a little too show after a little bit. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.120 Like do Krusty demons. Want a throwback, I'm like, I 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.200 was probably like five years old. The spiked hair sitting 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:19.680 on a crest. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.560 Yeah, probably some frosted tips taking place to dude, so pop, dude, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.360 you pop those little DVDs in there and you're like, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:27.920 how do I live the life at these? 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.120 For hours? After school hours? 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:31.840 Dude, it would always be I would come home and 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.360 it would be CMT on the TV. I would watch 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.680 whatever was on, probably Dukes of Hazzard. As soon as 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.520 like that episode ended, I would put in. Usually Nya's 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.720 Circus was my go to krusty Demons I had to 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.680 put on. My parents were on date night or something 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.800 like that. Yeah, dude, Nysa's Circuits. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.880 Came, you had to go, Dude. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.080 I went to it in twenty fifteen. Yeah, and it 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:51.680 was awesome. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.440 I hit up A Travis. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.920 No, God, I didn't have that kind of connection. It 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.600 was twenty fifteen, so it was my second year in 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.880 the NFL in Nashville and it was Adam Jones. He 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.720 like I DMed him and I was like, hey, bro, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.640 I'll be the thing. He's like you should come before 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.600 and I go down and we're in the like we're 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.360 like walking through, like to the Predator's locker room and 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.280 there's like a pull up bar and I tell my boys, like, hey, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.080 you should do a pull up. My buddy, he can't 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.960 do a pull up to save his life. Travis Pastrano 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.040 walks by, he gets in on it, and I'm like, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.160 this is fucking incredible. And we went in the locker room. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.680 They were drinking some some bud lights, having a good time. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.320 I'm like, should you just be should be doing this 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.400 when you're about to do at the bathroom stuff Like, oh, dude, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.360 this is this is easy. This is like riding a 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.160 bike for this is nothing. And we went out all night, dude, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:35.960 and just got after it with them. It was like 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.080 one of the greatest core moments of my entire life. Yeah, 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.840 this is not a podcast about me though, so you guys. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:43.559 I love to hear it. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.000 Man, I was gonna ask you about Big Blue. I 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.959 was gonna ask you about Tennessee. Yeah, stories, where's Willie 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:51.840 boys see man. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.559 Willie boy See he's in foreign territory right now. We 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.400 uh America Center around America sent him to try to 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.439 do God's work to help out with the World Cup. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.439 It didn't work out last dude, I popped in it out. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.680 One of my favorite things to do this past couple 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.000 of weeks is put on the World Cup but on 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.720 Telemundo and just listen to the Spanish. You guys, just 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.920 get after it. But it was a heartbreaking loss. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:15.360 Heartbreak. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:20.120 Were you guys following it? Yeah, that's really all you 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.840 want and it's It's the worst part is like this 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.520 game going into Belgium, we were all thinking to ourselves, like, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.080 I think we could win this. Yeah, I think this 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.360 is the Finally the time I was on the bus 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.600 yesterday doing an intro that came out this morning after 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.200 we lost it, like we can look past Belgium. Let's 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.600 focus on Morocco or Spain now to whop yeah and 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:44.679 no doubt, Yeah, yeah, okay when did when did you guys? Okay, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.080 so your your family was in it? 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:47.080 Off road? 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.120 Yeah, off road and so it's very Uh, I know 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:51.600 a lot of guys grew up racing and stuff like that, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.240 but off roads kind of a more unique game to 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:53.560 get into. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:53.760 NA. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.800 It's very different. It's like running through the deserts of Mexico, 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.360 like wide op overall on exactly that's what it was. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.240 It's so much different, even just like the depth of 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.160 like the people and like I don't know, like the 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.200 vibe of like that go left, right there. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.960 Or all the way off to the top, Yeah, to 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.360 the top right, Yeah, there you go. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.119 Yeah, there's if you're in position in bad spot. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.640 Yeah exactly, you're not supposed to come off the ground 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:22.880 like that. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.760 So this is what this is the origin story of 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.000 my two boys here. You guys were into Baja type 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:28.400 of racing. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.480 Yeah, I mean like when we were younger, we were 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.080 I mean, yeah, wanting to do this when like we 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.640 didn't know about the sport sports. You're going to do 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.120 this for a living? 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.200 Yeah, you can't do that for a living. That's a hobby. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.720 Doesn't make sense, Like I hate to say that. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.400 Yeah, yeah, you just don't make a lot of money. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.439 There's no money yeh yeah. And at the end of 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.240 the day, like we'll have our passions, but also we 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:47.240 need to make bags as well. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.440 Those are those are businessmen who do that on the weekend. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.640 Yeah, these are yeah, exactly exactly. Did you guys ever, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.679 the only thing I know about Baja racing is the 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.439 Baja one thousand. Like growing up in Arizona, it was like, hey, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.679 it's taking place for blah blah in November whenever it is. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.320 Did you guys ever race in that? 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.080 Yeah? I do it. I try to do it every year. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.560 Oh for real, because the NASCAR season ends like the 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.320 first week in November and the Baja on thousand starts 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.160 the week and half after that, so it lines up 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:11.680 pretty good. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.640 What's the How different is it for you to get 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:14.880 in a. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.480 On the top right, Yeah, there you go. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.240 Well you get a little lit. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.360 L aired, Yeah, there you go. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:25.320 Not bad, dude, not bad at all. How hard is it? 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.080 Like kind of going from NASCAR completely different car, completely 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.840 different type of driving, completely different team to this. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.559 Quite honestly, that's just I go to like kind of 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.440 unwind after the year, Like my cousins are doing it. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.120 We're down there drinking beers before the race, like it's 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.920 super low key and yeah, Nascar is like a job, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.199 like it's high pressure. That's relaxed, have fun with your 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.640 family and friends and go on fun. 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.720 You mentioned the pressure of NASCAR, Like how hard How 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.480 much pressure did you guys put on yourselves when you 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.600 first got the nod in the Top Series? 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.160 I mean a ton for sure. I mean like you 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.200 work your whole life to get there and then it's like, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.160 all right, now it's even harder to stay here. And 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.800 so that's where that level of pressure comes from. And 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.160 you go from like racing guys where it's like you're 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.680 normally racing ten guys for a win at like a 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.040 lower series. Now it's like everyone is super good and 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.960 you never know like what the weekend is going to bring, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.160 Like you could so easily just be a little off 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.120 and it's the difference maker in your weekend. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.760 Yeah, the crazy thing for me is like learning from 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.200 guys that like you'll know early in the race how 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.400 competitive you're going to be, how like. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.920 How frustrating the first lap in practice? 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.120 In practice? 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.640 Yeah, I mean like recently practice at Friday, sometimes Saturday. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.360 It depends if you have like a full practice because 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.160 then we're able to like make adjustments and like think 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.200 on it, uh and then qualify the next day kind 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.840 of like what we did this past weekend in uh 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.439 San Diego. But like normally it's twenty minutes of practice 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.920 and then you're like fired into qualifying and you're like 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:00.760 you just don't have time. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.720 You can't change the car. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.199 Really, why not you have a thousand? You have a 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.400 thousand guys. COVID, Yeah, COVID, Yeah, too many masks. These 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:09.360 cars are a triple boost. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:10.000 And now I get it. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:10.960 Okay, I see what you're saying. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:11.280 COVID. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.760 They took our practice away, the mass deal man you're 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.000 being they and just pull that thing down. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.360 Just absolutely brutal, especially in the summer time, just sweating 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.840 on yourself in the steamroom. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.520 Yeah, look like we had a thong on our face. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:30.600 Yeah, So COVID. COVID changed the entire game. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.800 For you guys absolutely because who was who was on here? 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.520 Was it last week or the week before? Somebody was 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:39.160 talking about how was it? Chase Elliot, Larson, Kyle Larson, 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.240 he was talking to us via zoom, talking about how 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.240 much it's gone from you used to practice like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.600 like understand your car being the car more and now 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.719 it's like you got fifteen minutes and rip. Has there 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.600 ever been as drivers? Would you guys like to go 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:52.920 back to like the old school way? 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.680 I would like that, but like me and Zane never 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.160 really got to experience the old school way, Like used 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.720 to be able to go practice and go test. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.320 All you want, and now it's against the rules. You're 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:03.880 not allowed to. 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.280 That's so odd. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.240 Like if you are a kid wanting to go play 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.839 basketball at Michigan, you can go to the backyard and 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:11.920 put up a thousand shots. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.120 Yeah, absolutely, and it's every single day, over and over 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.160 and over. You can't do that son, you guys, but 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.280 you can do the sims correct. Yeah, but like that 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.040 all day every day? Or is there a time limit 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:21.680 on that as well? 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.880 Not from NASCAR, but the manufacturer puts a time limit 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:26.920 on it because there's so many drivers that they have 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.400 to like, oh no way. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.960 Yeah, And like honestly, like sim or SIM is so 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.120 hit or miss, Like some weeks it's like okay, that 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.880 actually like correlated pretty well, and other weeks is like man, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.640 this like might have hurt us. And so like that's 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:41.680 it's a little bit of a guessing game. But that's 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.040 what makes like rookie season so ugly sometimes too, Like 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.720 I don't know both of our rookie season's sad. It's 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.600 like the back half gets a lot better. But like 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.520 I know you're seeing it with Connor too, but I 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.440 think that's from like we just don't have time to Like, 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.360 the next gen Cup car is like so much different 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.760 than anything we've ever driven, and so yeah, you get 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.840 twenty minutes to figure it out. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.480 When you guys are in the off season, are you 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.680 allowed to get in behind the wheel a little bit 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:10.960 more in your cup car? 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:11.840 No, can't touch them. 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.280 Can't touch them. That's a weird rules. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.360 The shops are in the off season. The shops are 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.280 like a ghost town because the cars are basically getting. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.200 And that's where we go and have Baja, Yeah, and 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.720 get after. Yeah, have a couple of bls. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.600 wax a little bit, put up one thirty five ten times, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:29.680 like it's nothing. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:31.240 Mind if a white boy gets a little motion. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:32.800 Yeah, I tell you what, dude, I was worried about 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.760 you when you got into that bar that was gonna 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.920 squeeze you for a second. You put up no problem. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.320 Yeah, all right. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.040 Mostly, what do you like to do on the in 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:41.600 the off season? 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.000 What's your honestly like? Yeah, pretty much just the deleting 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.280 beers and uh, I like, I like spending time just fishing, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.640 being out on water. Yeah, typically go down to like 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.600 the Florida Keys and spend some time down there and yeah, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.000 just do a whole lot of nothing, a. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:56.960 Little off shore action. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.160 Hell, dude, the Florida something, but the Florida case, it's 0:15:59.200 --> 0:15:59.760 so much fun. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.800 That's chickens running around wild. It's so awesome. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:03.760 It does not feel real. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:04.760 No, And it's just. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.400 Like everyone just so much more laid back, like Jimmy 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.400 Buffett understood before all of us facts. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.240 And it's honestly like I was just down there right 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.920 before the season started, and it's kind of it's turned 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.000 into like a like a mini Nashville. Like everyone's playing 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:21.000 live music, everyone's having a great time, always some great 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:21.760 weather at night. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.240 So it's ton of fun. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.760 I'm with you. Last time I was there, I went 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.920 into this like small bar, like there's like a I 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.480 was walking down whatever the main street is and there's 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.760 like an alley way and it has like four or 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.120 five bars. At the end there was a band playing 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.920 like some forty one blank what a Twood like some 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.960 yeah my, like this is my number one genre of music. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.000 And that is like kind of a viot. It's kind 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.000