Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of
Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where
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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as
Speaker 1: we explore.
Speaker 2: Brent, I appreciate that you got your hunter orange wedding
Speaker 2: ring on today.
Speaker 3: I am don't get shot walking through the woods.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Grease Render. This is a this
Speaker 1: is this is our Christmas episode. Oh did you guys
Speaker 1: know it?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 1: This is this is the Christmas episode. It's great to
Speaker 1: have everybody got a great group of people today. We're
Speaker 1: actually going to have there is one very special guest,
Speaker 1: surprise guest, surprise Christmas guest that's going to be coming
Speaker 1: in here in just a minute. But oh and here
Speaker 1: she comes. Now come.
Speaker 2: Is this making an official tradition since the second.
Speaker 1: Year your headset. This is my mother Juju Newkeom. She
Speaker 1: just has a small Christmas message for all of us.
Speaker 1: She's brought what have you brought us?
Speaker 3: Judu?
Speaker 4: The Christmas cookies? I bring every here. Okay, I do
Speaker 4: have to admit I have a little help this year.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: My sister Cindy told me how good the Sam's decorated
Speaker 4: Christmas cookies. And I had a busy, busy week, but
Speaker 4: I didn't want to forget that It's Christmas and we've
Speaker 4: got to celebrate.
Speaker 2: A little bit with cookies.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: The next best thing was nothing.
Speaker 1: So okay, So we have a beautiful plate, Brett, why
Speaker 1: don't you describe these cookies.
Speaker 5: We got white and green trees shaped cookies that are
Speaker 5: decorated with icing and little sprinkles.
Speaker 1: I liked how my mom brought those in a plastic box,
Speaker 1: took them in my house and then put them on
Speaker 1: a Christmas plate and put cellophane over it looks it
Speaker 1: looks okay, Juju your Christmas message? What would you like
Speaker 1: to say to the bear Grease people?
Speaker 4: I just want to say that I can't believe it's
Speaker 4: been a year. I remember last year Bailey was with us,
Speaker 4: gave such a sweet little message. I was hoping she'd
Speaker 4: be here today. I just want to wish everybody merry Christmas.
Speaker 4: And just I love reading y'all's comments to Clay.
Speaker 1: She is very protective of.
Speaker 4: Specially love is when you mentioned your kids and how
Speaker 4: you're happy that that that Clay can do a podcast
Speaker 4: that the kids can listen to, and I just think
Speaker 4: that is souper. So get Merry Christmas. I hope y'all
Speaker 4: have a great Christmas, celebrate with your families.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Juju, Thank you excellent.
Speaker 3: She reminded me of this is a review that I saw.
Speaker 1: Today We solve iTunes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to pray for this guy because apparently
Speaker 5: he died in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: It says both shows are great.
Speaker 5: I hope Country Life sticks around, but he gave us
Speaker 5: five stars before.
Speaker 1: You all right, well, thanks Ju, thank you, Jujuy, passed
Speaker 1: those around, pass the cookies around green Okay, So we
Speaker 1: have Brent Reeves here from this Country Life podcast. Brent,
Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to you and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the Meteor Live shows that you were
Speaker 1: just on cool here, you were a big hit. We
Speaker 1: have a very special guest. He's been on here a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Bear John, the greatest Hunter.
Speaker 5: I know, yeah, me too, my favorite new come a
Speaker 5: hunter right here.
Speaker 1: You know, I described when I'm trying to tell people
Speaker 1: about Bear I'm like, if you turn me and Barry
Speaker 1: loose in the same woods with a bow, and said,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy who kills the deer first wins.
Speaker 3: A car, right, Like, you're walking home.
Speaker 1: I mean I'd probably be walking home. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was at school the other day talking to Bear
Speaker 2: and he was he was like.
Speaker 1: Did you hold on? Did you hear that beep? People
Speaker 1: have accused me of that being a microwave going on
Speaker 1: he's heating up. No, it's not a microwave for some reason.
Speaker 1: My uh my, my computer beeps. So carry on.
Speaker 2: Though, Joshua day and and he's got one tag left
Speaker 2: right Bear, yep, one do tag?
Speaker 3: One do tag?
Speaker 2: And he said, I'm gonna take it with a traditional.
Speaker 1: Bo mm hmm self bow.
Speaker 2: And he found a good spot. But he concocted this
Speaker 2: scenario that I thought, that will never work. You know,
Speaker 2: I try to be supportive, but that'll never work. He
Speaker 2: comes back to the next day.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why he's here. Later, he's gonna tell us
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: So what what's the title of this of this method
Speaker 2: the scent pouch sent bundle.
Speaker 1: Since sim Fondle Bear has a news strategy, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about fabulous. Yeah, so Bear John's here to
Speaker 1: Bear Johns left, Colby Morehead, Bear Honey Magazine, the man.
Speaker 6: Yep, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Welcome to me.
Speaker 1: You've been on You've been on here several times. Yep,
Speaker 1: so Colby, uh So. For eight years before I worked
Speaker 1: for Meat Eater, I owned and operated Bear Honting Magazine,
Speaker 1: the world's only print Bear Honey Magazine been in print
Speaker 1: for over twenty three years. Colby worked with me for
Speaker 1: several years and pretty much was running the magazine for me.
Speaker 1: And then when I went to Meet Eater, Colby now
Speaker 1: owns just miraculously, just like I am. We don't even
Speaker 1: know how it happened. Now owns and operates Bear Honey
Speaker 1: Magazine is sir, which which we gave a little plug
Speaker 1: last week for full cry. Oh yeah, so now this
Speaker 1: week it's Bear Honey Magazines. I like it and you
Speaker 1: need to subscribe to Bear Honey Magazine. It's just got
Speaker 1: all types of bear hunting across the country, outfitters, all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. It's great, good stuff. Good to be here, yep.
Speaker 1: To Kolby's left, Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker. Great to see everyone.
Speaker 1: Josh is the fashion, the fashion eiast of the Bear
Speaker 1: Grease podcast. I wish it was me. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: wearing a like a howl or shirt with a little
Speaker 1: got some embroidery on the shoulder. Yeah, embroidery. I mean
Speaker 1: you just always look cool. Well, I mean you are
Speaker 1: wearing muck boots.
Speaker 3: Boots covered in deer brains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well you look good, Josh, You're looking good.
Speaker 1: To Josh's left, Gary Believer Nukem, which it's very important
Speaker 1: that's usually here, but it's very important that he's here
Speaker 1: today because on this episode of The Render, which if
Speaker 1: you're new to this, you know, The Render is when
Speaker 1: we talk about the podcast that just came out, and
Speaker 1: we did something this week that we have never done
Speaker 1: in the history of Bear Grease as.
Speaker 3: We Yeah, you basically took a vacation.
Speaker 1: We re ran a classic, Josh, That's what it's called
Speaker 1: to re ran a class last So we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the the ripples, the ripples in the in
Speaker 1: the world that happened when episode one of Bear Grease
Speaker 1: hit the hit, the hit the planet. So, Brent, you
Speaker 1: went to the live show.
Speaker 5: Kansas City, How was it the green room? There a
Speaker 5: lot better than this one. Wow, this got Christmas cookies.
Speaker 5: When they said, uh, you will go back here. I
Speaker 5: was talking with Chester and Chesters like Chester Floyd's Chester's
Speaker 5: like come back here, man, at the green rooms. Back here,
Speaker 5: we're going to chill back here before the show and everything.
Speaker 5: And there's coffee, tea, cookies, an assortment of nuts. What's
Speaker 5: on of them? What's that crazy tray name that's got board? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm scared to say that anyway, that thing's on there. Okay,
Speaker 5: you come up here to the World Headquarters. If you're thirsty,
Speaker 5: you better have brought some water with you or Misty
Speaker 5: will make coffee.
Speaker 1: How did this turn into it?
Speaker 3: Coffee?
Speaker 1: Backhand?
Speaker 3: The coffee pot is what we need out here?
Speaker 5: Is its?
Speaker 3: Three years?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some advice.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: This is the first time anybody's ever even suggested it.
Speaker 1: Have you not seen the suggestion box?
Speaker 3: No? I haven't. Okay, but that that's it.
Speaker 1: Other than all the negative things that are happening here.
Speaker 1: How was the live show?
Speaker 5: Oh, the last show was great. It was wonderful. I'm
Speaker 5: still in the green room. It was good man. It
Speaker 5: was so much fun, you know, and we get to
Speaker 5: talk to people occasionally you know through social media that
Speaker 5: that listened to the show, but to be able to
Speaker 5: look at him in the eyeballs and and talk to him,
Speaker 5: it was just it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: How many people you think were there?
Speaker 5: I was over two thousand, Oh wow, huge auditorum, Yes, big,
Speaker 5: it was. I want to think the seating capacity was
Speaker 5: like twenty three hundred and when I wouldn't it wasn't
Speaker 5: one hundred percent set out, but it was like individual chair,
Speaker 5: individual seats here and scattered out. It was wow, maybe
Speaker 5: ten seats left out of that thing. Wow, it was.
Speaker 5: It was really it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And they had you tell the story. Yeah, Brent told me.
Speaker 1: He was like right before the show. Renella was like, hey, Brent,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell that story about that that crackhead
Speaker 1: that was painting the red car in his garage. It
Speaker 1: was like, what I mean, like if everything that Steve
Speaker 1: has ever heard come out of Brent's mouth or heard
Speaker 1: about Brent, or I don't even know if he heard
Speaker 1: you tell that story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I told I think I told up to him
Speaker 5: on the first time I was on the on his podcast.
Speaker 1: Okay, and yeah, and Britt was like, Okay.
Speaker 3: That's the story that you want to hear.
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell that one to us?
Speaker 5: He digs it. That was, Uh, give me tell you.
Speaker 5: Here's a condensed version of us. Marshalls had a warrant
Speaker 5: for a guy and a big myth and fed of
Speaker 5: Me distributor and they had tracked him down to a
Speaker 5: rural farmhouse in Bradley County and they contacted us.
Speaker 3: Our team goes down there.
Speaker 5: We split up, hit the house and it's like, I
Speaker 5: can't remember, it's like one or two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 5: and we split up to two teams. One hits the house,
Speaker 5: one hits a garage that there was a light on,
Speaker 5: and that was.
Speaker 3: One that I went on.
Speaker 5: And we went in and we opened the door expecting
Speaker 5: the guy to be in there cooking meth, you know.
Speaker 5: So we're all masked up and got all the safety
Speaker 5: equipment on and we hit the door and opened it up.
Speaker 5: And that guys sitting there on a on a bucket
Speaker 5: with a paint bro a phone paint bro painting his car's.
Speaker 1: At two am in the morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got paint all over him and he's been
Speaker 5: painting this one fender like I mean, and I told
Speaker 5: him there it was like had forty coach, like more
Speaker 5: coats of paint on it than the Batmobile. And he's
Speaker 5: just back and forth, just empty cans of paint all
Speaker 5: around him. And he had been up for like nine
Speaker 5: days straight. Oh my cuss, so.
Speaker 3: Painting that fender. He's doing a heck of a job.
Speaker 5: Wow, but rational thing anyway, that's something you generally do
Speaker 5: after being awake from her. That's the story that he
Speaker 5: wanted to hear. And I told one about a canned
Speaker 5: ham that everyone everybody really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Tell us that one.
Speaker 5: My mother in law, after my third or fourth episode
Speaker 5: came out, she sent me a text. My mother in
Speaker 5: law is the absolute She is like Juju part two.
Speaker 5: I mean, she is just the sweetest thing ever. But
Speaker 5: she has no clue about hunting, fishing, anything outdoors.
Speaker 3: But she loves that. I love it.
Speaker 5: And she she said this met text message and said, Brin,
Speaker 5: I love to listen to your episode.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 5: She's I can just see all the things and hear
Speaker 5: about the stuff that my dad used to talk about
Speaker 5: when when he was doing all the stuff that you're doing.
Speaker 5: She said, I just got a question about one of
Speaker 5: the commercials. She said, where can we get some of
Speaker 5: those hams? And I thought, hams. We don't advertise hams.
Speaker 5: And I sent her a text back. I said, I
Speaker 5: don't know what you're talking about, Mama. This is my
Speaker 5: mother in law, but we all call her mama. And
Speaker 5: she said, oh yeah, your boss, your boss, Steve never
Speaker 5: goes hunting unless he's taking those canned hams with.
Speaker 1: A trainer.
Speaker 6: I want to get some of them, get on top
Speaker 6: of them in glasses.
Speaker 5: So I did a screenshot of a can am and
Speaker 5: sent to us, said this is what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Mama.
Speaker 5: She's like, oh, well, I was just wanting to support
Speaker 5: your coming. Those canned hams are great.
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny. Well I think that, uh, since
Speaker 1: this is a podcast about mountain lions and uh, Kobe,
Speaker 1: you you brought up an interesting point. I did would
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 6: You know, I was just excited to come to this
Speaker 6: one because it's almost like the first render. This this
Speaker 6: episode never had a render.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, this this episode. So when
Speaker 1: it was this is kind of a time when we're
Speaker 1: like opening up the back pages of the Bears podcast
Speaker 1: when we started Bear grease. We didn't have a render.
Speaker 1: It just came out every two weeks. If you remember
Speaker 1: the first like six or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how many episodes was it.
Speaker 6: I think episode seven was the first render.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So so for like fourteen weeks, it was
Speaker 1: just an episode every two weeks and then yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we had we had the first render, which
Speaker 1: was kind of an experiment because I had like it
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if these guys are entertaining
Speaker 1: or not. I invited some of you here to come
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: Who was on the first render?
Speaker 5: I don't even remember me.
Speaker 1: Shoot, I don't I know. Malachi Nichols was on there,
Speaker 1: that's right. I think Dan Rupe was on there. Doctor
Speaker 1: Daniel was on there for I think the first one.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, maybe he was later. But anyway, we the
Speaker 1: renders become an important part. So Kolbe said, a lot
Speaker 1: of this podcast has been living rent free in his head.
Speaker 3: It's true, and he's.
Speaker 1: Got a lot he wants to say.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 1: But I thought this would be a great time for
Speaker 1: Barr to tell his his story. So Josh Bear, because
Speaker 1: bear story involves a cat, yes, a feline, a wild
Speaker 1: a wild cat. So so what what did Bear tell
Speaker 1: you at school the other day.
Speaker 2: Well, I asked him. I said, you got one tag left? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're gonna take it with a with a trad boat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And he said, I found a great spot, but the
Speaker 2: wind keeps the way the wind comes down this creek.
Speaker 2: He's like, I get winded, and he's like, I've got
Speaker 2: this idea, and he lays the this idea out to me,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, has anyone ever thought of doing this?
Speaker 2: But I mean, like I felt like I was talking
Speaker 2: to a Native American.
Speaker 5: Who was like, what's he doingange smoke signals? Can we
Speaker 5: get more stereotypical here?
Speaker 2: But I was like, I was like, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: definitely not something you've ever seen on any Hunting Channels
Speaker 2: show or you know, something that people talk about.
Speaker 1: So so what what did you do? Bear?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to story because he went through it
Speaker 2: real quick and I was going through it in my head.
Speaker 2: But I want him to relay the details.
Speaker 1: Okay, pretty much, I'm sitting out a spot where there's
Speaker 1: a riverbed right behind me, and it's it's just a
Speaker 1: riverbed that meets up to the main river. Main River's
Speaker 1: flowing real fast sucks all the wind south, and including
Speaker 1: in this little riverbed that's right behind me, all the
Speaker 1: wind there gets sucked south. So even if it's north wind,
Speaker 1: the wind's gonna go south right here. And I know
Speaker 1: where three deer are bedded because I watched him do it.
Speaker 5: I told me.
Speaker 1: He said, Dad, I walked almost twenty miles yesterday, I
Speaker 1: only found three deer. And I was like, it was
Speaker 1: just kind of a weird statement. And he's like, I
Speaker 1: literally know where these three deer sleep. He's like, I
Speaker 1: bumped him out of the same spot how many times?
Speaker 3: Three times?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like when he said I know where
Speaker 1: three deer are, He's like, no, no, no, I literally know
Speaker 1: where three deers sleep. They still brought by that rock
Speaker 1: every day. They go really hard to find. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. I watched him bed down one time and
Speaker 1: they winded me. Came in another time. Now are you
Speaker 1: are you hunting out of a stand? Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: hanging a stand and I watched them go in there
Speaker 1: and bed down, and then they winded me. And I
Speaker 1: went in there two more times at like midday or
Speaker 1: like early morning, and they'd win me. So they were
Speaker 1: bedding in the same spot, which usually they don't, and
Speaker 1: they every time they'd come out of their bed, they
Speaker 1: want to go north, but they smell me because the
Speaker 1: creeks carrying your sent down even if the prevailing wind
Speaker 1: is yep, favorable, yep. And so pretty much my idea
Speaker 1: was to get like a bundle of like clothes, boots,
Speaker 1: make it, you know, stuff that smells like me, go
Speaker 1: stick it where my stand is, and they come around
Speaker 1: the backside and hunt in that riverbed. Because every time
Speaker 1: they'd spook, they'd go to the same they'd run and
Speaker 1: they cross the river in the same spot. And uh
Speaker 1: so pretty much that's so, so how did you execute that? Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a there's a like a trail that goes
Speaker 1: this is before school, Like this isn't like something he
Speaker 1: was doing, Like he did this before he came to school, right,
Speaker 1: So there's like a trail that kind of goes around
Speaker 1: like the backside of where these does bed. And so
Speaker 1: pretty much I woke up real early across the river,
Speaker 1: go around the trail, and I just creep in this
Speaker 1: river bed right to my stand and I just lay
Speaker 1: all my clothes there. You're assuming the three does that,
Speaker 1: you know, that you have named are not in there
Speaker 1: right now. They're out well doing what they're doing well.
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the idea. I think they're
Speaker 1: in there, But why wouldn't they They couldn't there, they
Speaker 1: would have winded. They don't win me until they get
Speaker 1: out in the river bed the first so they bed
Speaker 1: a little ways into the woods and the wind isn't
Speaker 1: hitting them right there, and so pretty much I came
Speaker 1: in on this trail, set my wood put out there.
Speaker 1: I put a did you put some of my stuff?
Speaker 1: There's all my stuff. Dad used to Dad used to
Speaker 1: get bad at me for like abusing his gear, like
Speaker 1: just using it like it was my own. YouTube Josh,
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering what bear left out in the woods.
Speaker 1: He's probably like, yeah, I took your good first light.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, your first light, puffy and your good boots.
Speaker 1: Now I put my muck boots, pair of socks used. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just one of my big first light jackets corners orange
Speaker 1: that was covered in deer blood. Okay, you know it
Speaker 1: smelled like me and I crept around the backside. While
Speaker 1: I was creeping around the backside, I spook probably fifteen
Speaker 1: turkeys up above me. And they all spook towards the
Speaker 1: way that I was going. So I get back around.
Speaker 1: I get in the main river, creep up and still dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: still dark. And I get to a spot where, basically
Speaker 1: like the envision, just like a river bed, and it
Speaker 1: drops where the water usually flows and there's about a
Speaker 1: three foot drop and then there's some weeds growing there.
Speaker 1: And pretty much that's the only place I can hunt
Speaker 1: where I can shoot where the deer is going to
Speaker 1: be because they, you know, the river bed's like thirty
Speaker 1: yards wide, I can only shoot like. It's pretty much wrny.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bone dry and remind me of bone dry riverbed. Okay,
Speaker 1: carry on, and the you know, the main river's sixty
Speaker 1: yards behind me, and pretty much I sneak in there
Speaker 1: and I'm about like ninety yards from where these deer
Speaker 1: would usually pop out. And I get there and I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting on my knees. It's real cold, and I
Speaker 1: sit there for probably thirty minutes and I look up
Speaker 1: and there's a bobcat with a squirrel in its mouth.
Speaker 1: At first, I couldn't really tell what it was. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a because I was in there a
Speaker 1: couple of days before and saw a coyote tried to
Speaker 1: shoot it in that same riverbed.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 1: And so at first I kind of thought I was
Speaker 1: a coyote saw how to squirrel in its mouth. But
Speaker 1: it got closer at guy the more I realized it
Speaker 1: was a bobcat, And so I knew I couldn't really
Speaker 1: move because it was like thirty yards facing me. I'm
Speaker 1: on the ground and you've yet to say that you're
Speaker 1: you're shooting an O sage self bow made by David Albright,
Speaker 1: one of our David's really we consider him family. It's
Speaker 1: my brother's father in law, David Albright. And a self
Speaker 1: boat is the most primitive of archery gear. I mean
Speaker 1: it's essentially a bow carved out of one piece of wood.
Speaker 1: Most modern boat, most modern even traditional bows are laminates.
Speaker 1: They're recurves long bows that are made from laminated wood
Speaker 1: and different synthetics sometimes that make them make them more durable.
Speaker 1: A self boat is the most primitive style. So it's
Speaker 1: a slow it shoots slow. They're they're a little harder
Speaker 1: to aim because the shelf of the bow is kind
Speaker 1: of out further. There's just a self bow is like
Speaker 1: hyper primitive difficult. Yep, on the ground in the creek
Speaker 1: with yourself bow. Yeah, and so I already had my
Speaker 1: bow up. Here comes a bobcat with a squirrel in
Speaker 1: his mouth, yep. And he just comes straight towards me.
Speaker 2: Slightly to my just like trotting along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, c is he walking slow or trotting? Trotting? What
Speaker 1: was the squirrel's tail doing? No idea of squirrel's dead,
Speaker 1: So it looked like that squirrel, Yeah it was. And
Speaker 1: he comes and he gets about five yards from me,
Speaker 1: and at that point he's between me and the weeds,
Speaker 1: and I was able to move a little bit, and uh,
Speaker 1: so I moved my bow to where he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: And he comes down and he's standing right on this
Speaker 1: slope right you know, where the drop is, and he's
Speaker 1: probably three yards from me. I mean he's probably from
Speaker 1: me to that computer behind you, and there's some weeds
Speaker 1: between me and him. And at this point I I'd
Speaker 1: already drawn back. And he looked at me once he
Speaker 1: got there, and I was just like.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, he got a mouthful of squirrel.
Speaker 1: He thought he'd beat the day man. And I just
Speaker 1: knew that was I knew that was the only shot
Speaker 1: I was going to get, and so I shoot, and
Speaker 1: I either shot high or hit the weeds, and it
Speaker 1: just skipped right over his back and he pitched the
Speaker 1: squirrel and ran like ten yards behind me and just
Speaker 1: stopped there, looking at me broadside. And I guess he
Speaker 1: just didn't want to leave his squirrel, or he was
Speaker 1: curious or something. And so I just stood there, and
Speaker 1: I have a back quiver on and I just reached
Speaker 1: back and pull out my other arrow and just draw
Speaker 1: back and I shoot, and it kind of ducks and turns,
Speaker 1: and I just hit it right in the back of
Speaker 1: the head and it just drops right there. And so
Speaker 1: I go, get the cat, get the squirrel. And no
Speaker 1: more than seven or eight minutes later, I just hear
Speaker 1: some cracking coming from out in front of me, and
Speaker 1: so I and I'm not in my last arrow, and
Speaker 1: and I see a I see a dough coming down
Speaker 1: and it is a it's been scared by some dirty socks.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was moving. It's moving. If you were
Speaker 1: writing this, you would say the dough moved at the
Speaker 1: pace as if she'd been sent by a pair of Well,
Speaker 1: all I can say is that I saw them go
Speaker 1: north three times in the morning, and this time they
Speaker 1: were going south, So I mean, I don't know, they
Speaker 1: weren't like really spooning, they were running. No, No, they
Speaker 1: were pretty calm. So I don't know. But I actually
Speaker 1: really appreciate that you're not giving full credit because I
Speaker 1: think that, especially when it comes to scent, hunters completely
Speaker 1: make like real significant judgments of what an animal does,
Speaker 1: like real definitive judgments like the animals smelled me and
Speaker 1: did this, or they didn't smell me and they did that,
Speaker 1: when it's really kind of are you sure that's the
Speaker 1: way it happened. So I appreciate that because when Bear
Speaker 1: told me, he was like, I'm not sure that my
Speaker 1: scent bundle pushed him this way.
Speaker 3: But that's just because he didn't want to get in trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, so but they came, So here comes
Speaker 1: these DearS. Your going too, So you kept hunting. You
Speaker 1: gathered up the bobcat and the squirrel just like had
Speaker 1: him sitting right beside you.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, whenever I was lewer my mow, my bow got
Speaker 1: stuck on the arrow that was into bobcats. And so
Speaker 1: you're you're going to continue to hunt.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, and pretty much the big dough walks out eighteen
Speaker 1: yards and I have a short, wide broadhead on that's
Speaker 1: real light. It's so when you're shooting the traditional bow
Speaker 1: usually have a specialized heavy head, especially a self bow
Speaker 1: that's not shooting as hard. We didn't really have much
Speaker 1: time to get him ready for this, and so he
Speaker 1: just had like standard looking broad Yeah, and the first
Speaker 1: two broadheads, both the ones that I shot the bobcat
Speaker 1: would have been perfect that it was just kind of
Speaker 1: my backup broadhead, but I didn't think very much of it.
Speaker 1: And pretty much the doe walked out at eighteen yards,
Speaker 1: I shot and just hit her right behind the shoulder
Speaker 1: and my arrow bounced off literally made a d get
Speaker 1: any penetration, no, And I mean like it had like
Speaker 1: hair on it, but it just I mean it was
Speaker 1: just laying right there. And they all just ran back
Speaker 1: into the world and ran across the river. And those
Speaker 1: are the only three der I could find, So I
Speaker 1: pretty much figured my humble was over. Wow, Bunt, what
Speaker 1: do you think of that? Man's awesome? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Uh, Bear called me on man. He said it had
Speaker 7: a pretty cool hunt. I thought i'd better tell you
Speaker 7: and I thought, I, Oh, we care that little sucker.
Speaker 6: It's just crazy what he did that morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found bobcats. Bobcats were highly elusive to me
Speaker 1: as a bow hunter for years. I didn't kill until
Speaker 1: I was an adult. I missed five bobcats before ever killed.
Speaker 1: I think I've killed two now with a bow. They're
Speaker 1: hard to kill and to kill one on the ground
Speaker 1: at like point well to get a shot off, even
Speaker 1: at like point blank range.
Speaker 3: Two shots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty that's pretty cool, pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I was gonna say, remind me of the
Speaker 1: Dry Creek bed.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when you sent me the picture,
Speaker 1: I was in Alaska, No, no, where was a Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in Alaska and uh And he said I
Speaker 1: killed bobcat. I shot it had a squirrel in its mouth,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh cool. And I see
Speaker 1: the picture. And I looked at that picture for two
Speaker 1: days while I was in Alaska before I finally zoomed
Speaker 1: in and I was like, oh, there's a squirrel.
Speaker 5: I didn't see the squirrel either. Oh really, the squirrel
Speaker 5: looked just like a immediate it to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So he took the picture with
Speaker 1: the squirrel laid there. But somebody, you know, I put
Speaker 1: that on my Instagram and you know, like ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of the people were just like, Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 1: And somebody was like, if he shot the squirrel crossing
Speaker 1: the creek, or if he shot that bobcat crossing the creek,
Speaker 1: why aren't the bobcat's feet wet?
Speaker 3: He was like.
Speaker 1: Thought, like like we were trying to pull one over
Speaker 1: on the world. And I almost responded back to him,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. And I was going to say, my brother,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a bobcat cross the ozark extreme
Speaker 1: They don't get their feet wet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, rock to rock.
Speaker 1: I mean, anyway, good hunt, good hunt, good hunt. For sure.
Speaker 7: I asked Bear, kind of the city boy that I
Speaker 7: am at heart, what are you going to do with
Speaker 7: that squirrel? I mean, it's killed by a bobcat, its
Speaker 7: teeth is penetrated to meat, and you know, I'm he said, well,
Speaker 7: I guess I'll take it home, put it in a freezer,
Speaker 7: no question.
Speaker 2: What did you do with it?
Speaker 6: Bear?
Speaker 1: Well? I ended up I cut a backstrap out of
Speaker 1: the bobcat and cut you know, the legs off the
Speaker 1: squirrel and ate them for dinner. You ate the Bobcat
Speaker 1: piece of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it good.
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty good. I mean it wasn't anything special,
Speaker 1: but like it smelled terrible when I skinned it, so
Speaker 1: I really thought it would be nasty, but it just
Speaker 1: tasted like meat, Like cat meat is pretty good.
Speaker 2: Some of the best meat I've ever had was Mountain
Speaker 2: Lion that you.
Speaker 1: Gave Mountain Line. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. The here's
Speaker 1: something that the bear grease world can can do for
Speaker 1: for me? For meat Eater, for Steve Vanella, welcome, miss Newcomb.
Speaker 1: Have a seat, doctor. Mister Newcomb has just joined us.
Speaker 1: Let's giver it a round.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Here's something that the bear grease world could do for me.
Speaker 1: On January the ninth, the audio original The Long Hunters,
Speaker 1: How are you, doctor Newcomb? Good to be here, great
Speaker 1: bear just told this. Let me tell you. Juju came
Speaker 1: in and gave a Christmas message to a.
Speaker 3: Bear.
Speaker 1: Just told us about his Bobcat squirrel deer hunt was
Speaker 1: really great.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Brent told us about how he had a great time
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, probably even better than coming here. He
Speaker 1: had a better time. He had a better time there
Speaker 1: than with us as people. Wow, it hurts so and
Speaker 1: now we're talking about Now we're talking about the Long
Speaker 1: uh January ninth, Meat Eater, Meat Eater, American History. The
Speaker 1: Long Hunters seventeen sixty one to seventeen seventy five Audio
Speaker 1: original Me and Steve Vanella. You can pre order it now.
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. We have pretty big plans to
Speaker 1: make more of these, and if we sell, if we
Speaker 1: sell a bunch of these, we're gonna be they're gonna
Speaker 1: want us to do more. And so you can pre
Speaker 1: order this and it's you listened to it like an audiobook.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be five to six hours. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: there has never this data has never been gathered and
Speaker 1: put in one place. It was. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of questions the way Steve described it as the historical
Speaker 1: authors that wrote about the time periods with the Long Hunters,
Speaker 1: and even modern historical authors are often not hunters, and
Speaker 1: they don't focus on the things that hunters and really
Speaker 1: people that are living close to the land are interested in.
Speaker 1: And he had all kind of questions about a lot
Speaker 1: of different stuff. And Randall Williams thieve and I we
Speaker 1: we developed this book. Brandon Williams did a lot of
Speaker 1: the research, and it's I just can't imagine someone that
Speaker 1: likes any kind of American history and deer hunting to
Speaker 1: not for this not to be like essential reading. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say reading material. But it's an audio original
Speaker 1: listening material. So go and you can pre order it.
Speaker 2: Now, where do you go to pre order It's.
Speaker 1: It's easy to find. It's on the Penguin Random House Audible.
Speaker 1: It's audible. Yeah. So anyway, do that be doing a
Speaker 1: favor favorite to the Bear Grease world?
Speaker 3: So do that?
Speaker 2: Are there options to like boot leg it? So I
Speaker 2: have to pay for it, I mean, get credit.
Speaker 1: For it if you bootlegged it. I just let somebody know,
Speaker 1: you know, just like a penguin me, just so they
Speaker 1: can like put a little tally mark on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tally marks. That makes me think of something that I
Speaker 1: learned just this week that the Native Americans used a
Speaker 1: bear femur to keep track of different things in the
Speaker 1: archaeological record. They would take a big bear and make
Speaker 1: tally marks on bear. Yeah, yeah, making notches for stuff,
Speaker 1: tally marks. Okay, that was just a little aside. Episode
Speaker 1: one of Bear Grease. I noted a few things about
Speaker 1: it Brent Reeves was actually the first voice ever heard
Speaker 1: on the Bear Grease podcast.
Speaker 5: That's not true. It was second to yours.
Speaker 1: Are you sure you were? You not the Cold Open?
Speaker 1: Oh but I said the Cold Open episode one first interview,
Speaker 1: Well it was the cold Open though, Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: it was Brent Reeves, and then I did my little
Speaker 1: I did my little open burritos ready, and then it
Speaker 1: was Dad talking about how he had just bought bought
Speaker 1: the property. It wasn't how many mountain lions have you seen?
Speaker 3: Does it matter?
Speaker 5: Oh? It matters, of course it matters.
Speaker 1: Well, if you've seen a mountain lion, it was in
Speaker 1: a mountain lion episode that you'd seen a mountain lion.
Speaker 8: Could It's kind of died out a little bit, but
Speaker 8: there used to be a lot of animosity coming from
Speaker 8: a whole land Bridge over there about not being interview
Speaker 8: that everybody had been interviewed except for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm not a subject matter expert
Speaker 2: on anything.
Speaker 3: Just a dude.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how I got this job.
Speaker 1: It's just a dude. You were cheap, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: call anything stand out to you in the episode.
Speaker 6: You know, one of the things that has lived in
Speaker 6: my brain pretty rent free has been Scott Brown's story
Speaker 6: about being at Walmart sewing that license. Like I think
Speaker 6: about that regularly, like like I'll see something on my
Speaker 6: trail him and I'm like, man, I think that might
Speaker 6: be Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 3: I just wondered.
Speaker 5: And I listened to it again on the way up here,
Speaker 5: and I was thinking when I was thinking, well, maybe
Speaker 5: Scott don't know what amount.
Speaker 3: Maybe those other guys did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were casting casting.
Speaker 3: Well, I was just saying there was five witnesses.
Speaker 1: Again. Man, when I heard so, I hadn't listened to
Speaker 1: this episode in a long time, And when I heard
Speaker 1: Scott's story, it almost made my blood boil just a
Speaker 1: little bit to think about. I mean, if I had
Speaker 1: been in that little covey of guys back there, you
Speaker 1: know Scott, I mean, Scott kind of fed the monster
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well, he's also working, he's in a business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his job. His job isn't to debate because people,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you you will offend somebody if you
Speaker 1: correct them when it comes to something they think they've seen.
Speaker 1: But I think I would have just been like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's not a mountain lion, that's a bobcat. We all
Speaker 1: know it. See all later, Scott.
Speaker 7: If you knew.
Speaker 3: Scotty my audible book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out the Long Owners and Britos already.
Speaker 7: If you knew Scott Brown, I mean this guy, he's
Speaker 7: a real deal. Outdoorsman deluxe. His dad outdoorsman deluxe. And
Speaker 7: I think Andy's dad was. I mean, he goes back,
Speaker 7: way back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 7: Hey, he's a he's a killing dude. He knows the outdoors.
Speaker 7: I trust him anywhere. He knows what a mountain lion
Speaker 7: looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, maybe just
Speaker 7: by photo, but he you know, he's a he's a
Speaker 7: he's a real deal.
Speaker 1: So this episode, though, I remember when we first did it.
Speaker 1: I told I told you in the in the little
Speaker 1: preamble that I was commissioned to make three episodes. In
Speaker 1: the first two the first two that I made, one
Speaker 1: was with James Lawrence and the other one was about dogs,
Speaker 1: and then the third one was the mountain Lion episode.
Speaker 1: And uh, and we ended up but the mountainline episode
Speaker 1: was the third one. And I remember thinking when we
Speaker 1: had those three and we had to start that we
Speaker 1: were it was like a gamble to put that one
Speaker 1: first because we'd probably never make another one that was
Speaker 1: anywhere close to that good. Like I thought the Barger's
Speaker 1: podcast was gonna be like, man, they had one good episode, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean for real. And I remember telling my boss
Speaker 1: at the time, who was Ben O'Brien, and I said, man,
Speaker 1: I think we got a swing for the fence because
Speaker 1: we thought about putting it later, like starting a little
Speaker 1: bit lower. And and to me, the James Lawrence episode
Speaker 1: ended up being as good as any we've ever done.
Speaker 1: Like I revamped it. I did those two. We all
Speaker 1: listened to it. It was like a four out of ten.
Speaker 1: And then I went back and rebuilt the whole James
Speaker 1: Lawrence episode and like put in it just and so
Speaker 1: to me that one was like redeemed. But I remember
Speaker 1: just thinking.
Speaker 5: Just basing off the critical review of the of the
Speaker 5: mountain Land.
Speaker 1: One, well, just I just didn't think there was that
Speaker 1: many and intriguing stories like that that would draw people in.
Speaker 1: And and I think we've learned that that's wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean there's you know, I mean just with all the topics,
Speaker 1: like you think about all the topics we've covered in
Speaker 1: the last almost three years. I mean, from these historical
Speaker 1: figures to some of these living guys to I hear
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about the tax jurmmy road
Speaker 1: show and Brent and I drove around remember that, Brent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I still get missed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was so it's interesting to go back.
Speaker 1: But I truly get more interaction around that than anything
Speaker 1: of to this day. People sent I mean for real,
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. Look at this. I'm pulling up my.
Speaker 5: Telling know about the flood now because here's the ones
Speaker 5: that I get that have a black panther in them.
Speaker 3: Is like, well you show this to Kalay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Since since this podcast started, somebody sent me
Speaker 1: a black panther image. I'm serious. We took the time
Speaker 1: on that. That came, that came just today.
Speaker 5: Well let me tell you we that very photograph right there,
Speaker 5: Steve and Joannis and I talked about that on a
Speaker 5: podcast we did in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: That picture, right, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Been around a long time.
Speaker 1: Well and this guy says it's from Georgia, yep. And
Speaker 1: he his line here would fall into category number one
Speaker 1: of my automated response sir, you you were looking at
Speaker 1: an animal that's not from North America. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a real black panther, but that is not from North America.
Speaker 1: A wild North American sins you. Well, uh wait a minute,
Speaker 1: did I just totally interrupt you while you were going
Speaker 1: to talk about what stood out to you?
Speaker 6: You know, I thought it went a really good direction.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
Speaker 6: I will say the most surprising thing when listening to
Speaker 6: it again was I was surprised that you knew a
Speaker 6: quote from Dumb and Dumber. I was like, Clay's never
Speaker 6: watched that movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know many pop culture pop culture.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure that we're going to call a movie
Speaker 8: that's twenty something years old pop culture.
Speaker 1: But that's what all the kids are watching, Misty.
Speaker 6: Well the old kid, yeah, the kids your age.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: You actually got the quote a little bit out of context.
Speaker 8: It was like, well, I'm not sure that Clay has
Speaker 8: watched Them and Dumber?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Dad?
Speaker 1: Do you what so that that podcast w you is
Speaker 1: the believer black panther Believer? What what stood out to
Speaker 1: you when if you heard it again? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, after after three years of being the believer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you stand? Well, I tell you, I hate
Speaker 1: to say this.
Speaker 7: I mean, you talked to us some pretty credible people,
Speaker 7: but they're they're full of hogwash.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's garbage.
Speaker 7: I don't know where these guys went to school, the game,
Speaker 7: and I love, uh, you know, the guys working there.
Speaker 7: I mean, they know what they're doing, but they got
Speaker 7: the black panther all monked up. So I keep the
Speaker 7: same stance, you know, I know, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 7: I mean it's for real, Okay, and Oli, what's the
Speaker 7: name of her town?
Speaker 3: Bucks?
Speaker 1: Snore down in Bucks? Yeah, I mean you could hear
Speaker 1: them at night without a doubt. Yeah, and you can
Speaker 1: tell the difference between the black one and the regular
Speaker 1: colored ones. Spylar sound y'all remember the early podcast. There's
Speaker 1: no question so anyway, no why.
Speaker 3: It was very good.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, probably more this time than first. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I found it shocking that they would get only one
Speaker 7: verification on one hundred, one hundred and fifty reported. Yeah, sightings,
Speaker 7: it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Yeah, Well, Josh, what do you think, not
Speaker 1: necessarily about the podcast, but just about going back and
Speaker 1: listening to the first episode of Race.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big fan of erens.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to watch things and listen to things
Speaker 2: over again because I feel like my attention span is
Speaker 2: a little weak sometimes, and so going back, I pick
Speaker 2: up on things that I missed before. I all credit
Speaker 2: due to Myron Means. Brilliant guy. He's been on here.
Speaker 2: Fantastic guy. There's got to be more mountain lions out
Speaker 2: there than we're seeing. I just have I just believe it.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Well, I've known Brent to lie all the time. So
Speaker 2: he says he's seen two. I believe he's seen at
Speaker 2: least at least one.
Speaker 5: Okay, so yeah, I've seen two with witnesses, but times
Speaker 5: mm hmm. They had four witnesses. The first three other
Speaker 5: witnesses besides myself.
Speaker 3: The first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were vaccinated.
Speaker 5: The second one. The second one was a coon hunter.
Speaker 5: The first time was broad daylight with three other guys
Speaker 5: in the cab of the truck.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And it was.
Speaker 2: It was where did you see Ashley County?
Speaker 5: Ashley County outside between Hamburg and Fountain Hill.
Speaker 3: That narrows it down.
Speaker 1: Oh bear, you ever seen the mountainin Bears lost his headset,
Speaker 1: never saw the mountain long.
Speaker 8: I think that that I would believe it if Bear
Speaker 8: had seen it. Yeah, because I think anyone that's out
Speaker 8: in the woods as much as Barry is, Bear sees
Speaker 8: the craziest stuff, like constantly seeing crazy stuff, constantly bringing
Speaker 8: home videos of like what are you saying, I'm just
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm just saying. I'm just saying I would
Speaker 8: only believe it if Bear saw it.
Speaker 1: M hm, you would believe it if Bear saw Oh
Speaker 1: here we go. What's what's your buttle?
Speaker 3: Bear?
Speaker 1: Well, I was talking with a little my buddies the
Speaker 1: other day, and you know, like like sometimes whenever I
Speaker 1: hunt on like a TV trails, you know, if like
Speaker 1: ATV is coming down and I don't want them to
Speaker 1: see my spot, Like if I'm like all my way
Speaker 1: into a spot, I hit the side of the road
Speaker 1: and hide behind a tree, and they have no clue
Speaker 1: that there was a dude within ten feet of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I've probably I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people have probably walked right under one.
Speaker 1: Mm m. I mean we got a believer on our hands.
Speaker 1: I mean, what about the fact, how do you what
Speaker 1: about the fact that there's not any here? How would
Speaker 1: you have me into your argument. There's just we've got
Speaker 1: plenty of very credible yeah, witness incredible ish incredible credible ish.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you would think you'd see like a
Speaker 1: track or something though in a puddle, But man, I
Speaker 1: find that, uh, this is this, This statistic can be
Speaker 1: verified and is one hundred percent accurate. Ninety eight percent
Speaker 1: of American hunting license holders, America's hunters cannot tell the
Speaker 1: difference between a canine and a feline track.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking the same thing. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I saw it in the woods, if I would
Speaker 2: be able to differentiate.
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many pictures of big old track tracks,
Speaker 1: canine track, you know, somebody else send it to me,
Speaker 1: be like, is this is this a mountain line? And
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a canine track, and it's
Speaker 1: uh and it's kind of hard to tell. And I
Speaker 1: I've actually had to study it quite a bit. The people,
Speaker 1: the two percent of people that do know I was,
Speaker 1: y'all just took me at my word, at the solidity
Speaker 1: and certainty of my statistics. I appreciate that. I just
Speaker 1: kind of made that up is the is the hunters
Speaker 1: that are that are pursuing lions, like they can tell.
Speaker 1: They can tell driving down the road at thirty miles
Speaker 1: per hour a track in the snow that it's a
Speaker 1: cat or if it's a bear, if it's a dog.
Speaker 2: You know, is there a distinguishing feature that.
Speaker 1: Well, the the a cat track is much more oval,
Speaker 1: and you can it's almost like you could place this
Speaker 1: isn't the best description, but you could like place a
Speaker 1: stick in between the pad and the toes and it
Speaker 1: would be like more of a straight line. A canine
Speaker 1: has four toes that are going to be on this
Speaker 1: pad and they're gonna be the way there. There's like yeah,
Speaker 1: there's kind of like too low and then too high
Speaker 1: and then and then uh. A cat pad has the
Speaker 1: three lobes on the on the on the pad of
Speaker 1: the foot. Is that would you say? It's about right brown?
Speaker 1: And a canine always is going to have claws. A
Speaker 1: cat cat is never basically ever gonna see a claw
Speaker 1: mark in the track. And the other thing that I
Speaker 1: think would surprise most people is that a pretty durn
Speaker 1: good sized mountain lion track is small. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I'm not an experienced mountainline hunter, but I have line
Speaker 1: hunted a couple of times. And that cat hanging on
Speaker 1: the wall right there was a male weighed one hundred
Speaker 1: and twelve pounds, was killed in Panhandle of Idaho when
Speaker 1: it was two degrees killed. A traditional boat shot it
Speaker 1: out of tree. And when I saw that track in
Speaker 1: the snow with my friend Leon Brown in Idaho, it
Speaker 1: was heck, it was pretty small, I thought, And I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not a big cat. I mean a big one
Speaker 1: weighs one hundred and forty pounds. I mean that's a monster.
Speaker 1: So but that that was an adult male cat, younger
Speaker 1: side of adult. But and I mean that track wasn't
Speaker 1: as big as a coke can I bet really yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so I think a mountain lion track as
Speaker 1: much smaller than what you would think. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: just my that's just my input. I've never seen a
Speaker 1: mountain lion. I can't wait till the day in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: In Arkansas, yeah, excuse me, in Arkansas.
Speaker 2: How many cats have you seen with.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I've seen that one. And one
Speaker 1: time in British Columbia, a cat jumped out in the
Speaker 1: road while we were driving down the road bear hunting
Speaker 1: and just loped down the road in front of us
Speaker 1: for about thirty yards and then Brent, Yeah, exact same
Speaker 1: scenario as Brent. What are you pointing out, Brent?
Speaker 3: The squirrel and waiting on the bob kit.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I've only seen those are the only
Speaker 1: two I can remember. Yeah, and that's a lot of
Speaker 1: beating around out west too.
Speaker 3: So one was an idahole, one was in one was British.
Speaker 1: Columbia, and the one's Idaho. That's right, yep, yep. I've
Speaker 1: now seen some wolves up close. I just back from Alaska. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some more on this coming out. We filmed.
Speaker 1: We filmed our Alaskan trip, and so there's sometime in
Speaker 1: the next year on the media or YouTube channel, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be uh us trapping wolves in Alaska.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 1: It was an incredible trip. I hadn't told that about it.
Speaker 1: It was that part of Alaska was in southeast Alaska.
Speaker 1: It was the most spectacular natural beauty of any place
Speaker 1: I've ever been. We were on the ocean, so we
Speaker 1: were at sea level, down low, but they're big snowcapped mountains.
Speaker 1: Basically in every direction, but there was a lot of
Speaker 1: glacier activity where we were at I was reading today
Speaker 1: about about the idea of wilderness, and there's a term
Speaker 1: that's called sublime, which has been watered down by modern
Speaker 1: culture to kind of take away its meaning. But the
Speaker 1: word the old nature writers, the original nature writers that
Speaker 1: kind of forged and articulated the ideas around American wilderness,
Speaker 1: used the word sublime to describe interactions with raw pieces
Speaker 1: of nature, and sublime it almost has the feeling of
Speaker 1: like a supernatural experiment, experience like an I can think
Speaker 1: like euphoric, euphoric, like a like an. The way they
Speaker 1: described it was like an overlap of the natural and
Speaker 1: spiritual world coming together. When Josh, when I was in
Speaker 1: Alaska there we went to a glacier that met the ocean,
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Some glaciers, don't. This glacier. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could rowed a boat right up to it, and
Speaker 1: we did. When I saw it, we were I believe
Speaker 1: we're two miles away. We kind of came around this
Speaker 1: bend and we had been seeing like when you get
Speaker 1: like four miles from this glacier, you're just out in
Speaker 1: the ocean and you start seeing chunks of ice. You know,
Speaker 1: if you didn't know any better, you'd just be like,
Speaker 1: what is that. You drive over there and there'd be
Speaker 1: a chunk of ice about as big as an ice
Speaker 1: chest floating, just clear chunk of ice.
Speaker 5: You'd be like, Wow, that's wild.
Speaker 1: You go another quarter mile and there's a chunk of
Speaker 1: ice as big as a big as a black bear floating.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, look at that. You go another three hundred
Speaker 1: yards around the bend and there's the ice chest as
Speaker 1: big as ice, piece of ice as big as a
Speaker 1: volkswagon floating. You go around the corner again and there's
Speaker 1: two hundred blocks of ice that are big chunks like
Speaker 1: a drafte Yeah. Yeah, And then and then you know,
Speaker 1: basically there's like chunks of this glacier falling into the
Speaker 1: ocean then melting as they move out. The closer you
Speaker 1: get to the glacier, the bigger the icebergs get. When
Speaker 1: you got two miles away, you could see this glacier.
Speaker 1: It glowed blue, and dad, I have never had an
Speaker 1: experience like this before. It was not concocted. I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting it, but I like the hair on the back
Speaker 1: of my neck stood up when I saw that glacier,
Speaker 1: And I mean, for real, this is not a figure
Speaker 1: of speech, like you know people say my mouth dropped open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I kind of came to awareness after a few
Speaker 1: minutes of looking at this glacier from two miles away,
Speaker 1: and my mouth was open. I was just like holy,
Speaker 1: and it was a sublime experience. And as soon as
Speaker 1: you round the corner and you can see the glacier,
Speaker 1: the air temperature dropped, you know, probably seven or eight
Speaker 1: degrees started getting cold. And then you come up on
Speaker 1: a glacier that's like as big as your house. And
Speaker 1: we floated around it, and the deep the ice that
Speaker 1: was the densest was was blue. It glowed blue like
Speaker 1: a like a stained glass window. And when we when
Speaker 1: we got up to it, I mean, it's hard to
Speaker 1: describe it. Almost it felt to me like a portal
Speaker 1: to another realm, because you it just world.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like and and when we
Speaker 1: got when we got within sight of it, I asked
Speaker 1: David Bennett's who was the guy I was trapping with,
Speaker 1: This incredible guy sty king God service, he I asked him.
Speaker 1: I said, well, we see this thing, calve, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what they call when chunks of ice fall off
Speaker 1: of the glacier into the ocean. And he was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I mean I didn't know if it was
Speaker 1: something that happened like once every two weeks or if
Speaker 1: it happened like all the time. And we're withinside the glacier,
Speaker 1: I say, well it cave and he goes, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I turn around and we're now over a mile away
Speaker 1: from it, and I hear what sounds like thunder. I
Speaker 1: mean I actually looked up because it was puzzling to
Speaker 1: me the sound I heard. I thought it was thunder.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I see, like in slow motion,
Speaker 1: this huge chunk of ice fall off, and it just
Speaker 1: looks like slow motion and it was a chunk of
Speaker 1: ice about as big as my house.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I saw it hit the water and just now,
Speaker 1: that wasn't the thunder. The thunder was it cracking off
Speaker 1: the noise it made when it cracked and fell, and
Speaker 1: then it hit the water and you see the ocean
Speaker 1: just explode. And then like three minutes later, the boat goes,
Speaker 1: you know, like the wave comes out, and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy cow, we are gonna see this same calve and
Speaker 1: on the way to it, I saw three huge chunks
Speaker 1: of ice fall off, and so I thought, man, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna get like right up on this glacier and
Speaker 1: just watch a show. And we got there, and by
Speaker 1: the time you get up to it, there's so much ice.
Speaker 1: You're just breaking ice. Basically, you're like parting. It's like
Speaker 1: a slushie, you know, on the top of the ground,
Speaker 1: with big chunks of ice, small chunks, chunks as big
Speaker 1: as your house chunk is. And we stayed in front
Speaker 1: of that glacier for probably forty minutes, just kind of
Speaker 1: floating around within like two three hundred yards of it,
Speaker 1: like as close as you wanted to get, and I
Speaker 1: never saw another big piece fall off.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like totally erratic.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: That blue was the most is the bluest thing I've
Speaker 5: ever seen. Mister sent me the picture. It was absolutely incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 5: did you and I forgot to ask you, did y'all
Speaker 5: get into that ice and melt it and drink it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: No, we talked about it. Dave Bennett's told me that
Speaker 1: there was a time period maybe in the eighties when
Speaker 1: they were selling glacier ice. Yeah, to rich folks. To
Speaker 1: putting their because it it didn't melt as quick because
Speaker 1: it was denser, and those icebergs had rocks in the ice.
Speaker 1: It'd be like clear ice, like as big as your house.
Speaker 1: You could you couldn't see all the way through it,
Speaker 1: just because it was like, yeah, well there was the
Speaker 1: like glacier move, it would be like rocks inside the ice.
Speaker 5: I just wonder what it tasted like.
Speaker 1: I did suck on one piece. Did it taste like water,
Speaker 1: tastes like regular water, like regular water.
Speaker 2: Did it taste like an extinct disease or distinct part?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you gonna say, Missy nothing.
Speaker 2: Did you hear about that? It just reminded me of
Speaker 2: that chunk of that glacier that broke off in Greenland?
Speaker 3: Do you hear about that.
Speaker 2: There's a chunk of a glacier that broke off of
Speaker 2: a fjord in Greenland that is fifty miles long and
Speaker 2: twelve miles wide. It's adrift. Now they say that it
Speaker 2: melting will literally cause the ocean level to rose just
Speaker 2: from that one glaciers.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. The glaciers are the glaciers are melting,
Speaker 1: I asked David that's a that's an interesting statement. And
Speaker 1: if you say that and want to sound intelligent, you
Speaker 1: have to put a little context around it. The glaciers
Speaker 1: have been melting for ten thousand years. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the way, you know, so the glat You can't just
Speaker 1: say the glaciers are melting and it be like some
Speaker 1: statement of alarm, like the glaciers have been melting for
Speaker 1: ten thousand years. That is fact. What they're you know,
Speaker 1: what they're saying is that the glaciers are melting faster
Speaker 1: than we've ever seen them in recorded history, you know,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's true or not. I
Speaker 1: assume it is. David Bennett's told me that he has
Speaker 1: seen that glacier retreat about half a mile in his lifetime.
Speaker 2: Wow, it feels like a lot.
Speaker 1: It fells out, it does. But when you consider that,
Speaker 1: like twenty miles away where he lived, well wherever, however
Speaker 1: many miles away he lives, there was a time when
Speaker 1: there was like a mile and a half of ice
Speaker 1: pack over the place he lives that was connected to
Speaker 1: this glacier. Do you see what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a trem like an unfathomable amount of ice
Speaker 1: has melted in the last ten thousand years. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. So it's just interesting. A lot of people
Speaker 1: have asked me, were they melting. I was like, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I with Mona's even took part in it. By I
Speaker 1: did take a chunk of ice at a different glacier
Speaker 1: bent we saw too, had a little chunk of ice
Speaker 1: put in my mouth. What kind of load were you in? Well,
Speaker 1: we stayed on a forty two foot fishing boat called
Speaker 1: the Sandpiper, which was his crabbing boat. David is a
Speaker 1: commercial crabber and has been has been involved in commercial
Speaker 1: they call it commercial fishing, but commercial crabbing since he
Speaker 1: was twelve years old. We stayed on that boat. The
Speaker 1: inside that boat, there's a it's kind of like a camper.
Speaker 1: It would be almost identical to a camper. There's a kitchen,
Speaker 1: there's a bathroom, there's a kitchen table, there's bunk beds.
Speaker 1: But we had a skiff, which was a heavy duty
Speaker 1: aluminum boat made of quarter inch aluminum with a two
Speaker 1: hundred inch two hundred inch two hundred two hundred horse
Speaker 1: motor on the back of it that we used to
Speaker 1: scoot around so we we Our base camp was the Sandpiper.
Speaker 1: We stayed on there. It was incredible, six days on
Speaker 1: the ocean up there. It really was incredible. It truly was.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I knew David from Bear Hunting magazine. Yeah, David is
Speaker 1: a longtime bear hunting magazine outfitter and he sells spring
Speaker 1: bear hunts and some of that real good hunting up there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, solid guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great guy.
Speaker 3: So how many wolves did you get?
Speaker 1: We tried four wolves. It was it was very very unique.
Speaker 8: If you look at Clay's Instagram, he's holding one of
Speaker 8: them up and he says, this is a ninety pound wolf.
Speaker 2: And it looks enormous.
Speaker 8: It looks enormous. It looks like it's I mean, like
Speaker 8: if that wolf is ninety pounds, he's about ninety five.
Speaker 1: Photographs are always acceptive because scale means everything will spring.
Speaker 1: This back to the Mountain lions. Like if you have
Speaker 1: a tan cat, a tan house cat, Nana's tan cat
Speaker 1: house cat, like five feet from your trail camera, he's
Speaker 1: gonna look big. I got post to Nana's cat, I
Speaker 1: got feet away.
Speaker 3: I got the cure for all of that.
Speaker 5: We talked about that Stephen and Joannis and Spencer and
Speaker 5: everybody on the podcast. We talked about this the other
Speaker 5: day after it was over with. I had this idea.
Speaker 5: It's like you get in an argument with somebody and
Speaker 5: you're leaving and drive it down the road, and like,
Speaker 5: got I should have told him this.
Speaker 3: This would have really got its goat. But I saw
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 5: I was watching something on National's Geographic and there was
Speaker 5: a guy in in this shark tank, in his shark cage,
Speaker 5: and they're trying to figure out how big these sharks
Speaker 5: are swimming out in front of him, because there's nothing
Speaker 5: nothing there to judge, you know, the shark against So
Speaker 5: he had a laser made underwater and it shoots out
Speaker 5: a beam of light or you know, two dots that
Speaker 5: are one foot apart or a meter I think is
Speaker 5: what they used. But a meter apart.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how far that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we fought a water keeping doing that.
Speaker 5: So anyway, you get you get he shining out there
Speaker 5: and taking photographs of these sharks with that those two
Speaker 5: points on there. Then they could take the photograph and say, okay,
Speaker 5: that shark is however many long? He's fifteen feet long.
Speaker 5: So game camera. We need those two little lights on there. Okay,
Speaker 5: it shoots a beam out at a predetermin and distance apart,
Speaker 5: and if that regardless of where that animally is.
Speaker 3: When it hits him, you'll be able to measure that.
Speaker 5: I see.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that if the lasers were exactly aligned, the
Speaker 1: distance wouldn't like get wider, get.
Speaker 2: Narrow, or with perfectly parallel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd have to be perfectly parallel. That's what it was,
Speaker 1: and that's what the stress is. That's a good idea, bro.
Speaker 1: That's going to be on I'm glad he brought that up.
Speaker 1: That's going to be on the our new trail came.
Speaker 3: The Bear Grease trail camera in first light spect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I was just saying, the scale
Speaker 1: means a lot with those wolves. I agreed with you.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason I put that they weighed ninety
Speaker 1: pounds because somebody would be like, somebody would have thought
Speaker 1: that's one hundred and pounds. That's one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pounds wolf. If you'd have seen them in person, you
Speaker 1: would have been like, yeah, that's probably about a ninety
Speaker 1: pound wolf. But when you're holding it up, I can
Speaker 1: assure you I would not have hold it up. That
Speaker 1: wolf is like closer to the camera than you, and
Speaker 1: they just look bigger than they were.
Speaker 2: I wish you would have held it more like like
Speaker 2: a baby.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, no, it was interesting putting the wolf up.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It did not escape me that a wolf is a
Speaker 1: controversial animal to kill, like, not at all.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 1: Inside the film that we make when we actually show
Speaker 1: people how we were trapping these wolves, we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna handle it really with a lot of humility and uh,
Speaker 1: really tell the story. But man, here's the deal. People
Speaker 1: that live in wolf country that care anything about wildlife,
Speaker 1: vast majority of them are like all four. They don't
Speaker 1: necessarily hate wolves. They're all four managing wolves. People that
Speaker 1: have little functional connection to wolves, like me, love the
Speaker 1: idea of wolves. Are typically want to want to ceremonialize them,
Speaker 1: you know, want to and want to protected. Man, the
Speaker 1: people that love wildlife usually usually want them managed, and
Speaker 1: I think they should be managed just like any other
Speaker 1: game animals. I want wolves on the landscape in Alaska,
Speaker 1: and of all people, David Bennett says too. David David
Speaker 1: Wolf traps in the areas that he moose and deer hunts,
Speaker 1: and like he, like I said on my post, it's
Speaker 1: not I mean, like we know, we didn't try to
Speaker 1: paint the picture like that we're changing the world by
Speaker 1: trapping a few wolves. But David says that he can,
Speaker 1: on a micro scale, positively impact deer and moose numbers
Speaker 1: in the places he hunts by trapping. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: with coons, and it's And I had somebody on on
Speaker 1: the gram be like proved me that taking those wolves
Speaker 1: out is helping deer numbers. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: embarrass the guy.
Speaker 3: I'm nice.
Speaker 1: I'm a nice man. I like to show people some dignity,
Speaker 1: so I didn't even respond.
Speaker 3: Wolves.
Speaker 1: The statistic if you looked it up, it will say
Speaker 1: that a wolf eats seven pounds of meat per day.
Speaker 1: Now that granted that's an average that they probably don't
Speaker 1: eat that every day, but when you average it out,
Speaker 1: like they're eating a lot of meat, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of meat. Let's do the mathroll, Let's do the mathrooll quick.
Speaker 1: How many deer we literally.
Speaker 3: Let's do that.
Speaker 5: Let's do that wolf. What was the estimated age on
Speaker 5: that wolf?
Speaker 1: It was an adult male so it's like if it
Speaker 1: was like a dog, I would say it was at
Speaker 1: least a three or four year old. It may have
Speaker 1: been an eight year old. Let's just say three So
Speaker 1: three years, well, we would we would be we would
Speaker 1: be doing math on the years that he was going
Speaker 1: to continue to live. Let's say he lived another three years.
Speaker 5: This you're already you're already to my answer, how many
Speaker 5: is he going to eat next year?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, that's what I'm saying. So three years times
Speaker 1: three sixty five that's one thousand, ninety five days. Let's
Speaker 1: just say times five pounds of meat per day, that's
Speaker 1: fifty four hundred pounds of meat.
Speaker 2: Okay, do it for one year, do it for one year.
Speaker 1: Okay, so three sixty five times, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say five pounds of meat per day times five that's
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: So that that wolf is going to eat several a
Speaker 2: big game speak big game animals himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so like if you take a wolf
Speaker 1: off the landscape, I mean, I don't see you know
Speaker 1: a lot of times solutions like that. It's the narrative
Speaker 1: and the talking points for predator hunters that want or
Speaker 1: any kind of person that's wanting to justify something they
Speaker 1: want to do, Like sometimes.
Speaker 2: The Caribou, somebody plays Sarah McLaughlin like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to simp. I don't want to
Speaker 1: simplify the narrative because it's easy to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, save deer, kill a wolf, like it's it's
Speaker 1: really probably not quite that simple, but it is like
Speaker 1: wolves don't have any other option. They gotta eat meat
Speaker 1: and and they have the right to and we love
Speaker 1: wolves on the landscape. But as David says, you just
Speaker 1: got to manage him. David David, David said, I like corn,
Speaker 1: but I want to eat it and harvest it too.
Speaker 1: It was funny when he said it. I thought it
Speaker 1: would punch a little harder. I started telling it that.
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't gonna be that funny, and
Speaker 1: so I just suit your to that.
Speaker 8: I needed more time to process bambo.
Speaker 1: Now the So, yeah, I wanted to talk just a
Speaker 1: little bit about Alaska. So people will be able to
Speaker 1: see that, and uh, that'll be after they buy The
Speaker 1: Long Hunter's Audio Original.
Speaker 6: Book, So that'll be great January.
Speaker 1: Well, they can order it now, Kolby, and they could
Speaker 1: you could order it as a Christmas gift and then.
Speaker 3: Do a little I owe you Those are the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little slip of paper that says I've ordered
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Speaker 2: Works for magazine eight track.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can magazine, Bear Hunting Magazine. Christmas gift. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Anybody else have any Just like, uh, what would be
Speaker 1: a really just a significant analysis of the replay of
Speaker 1: this beargerase classic.
Speaker 5: Doctor Black, doctor back. Didn't believe me and he's still wrong.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: Next, I think you should have played back to back
Speaker 8: with this replay when James, Lawrence and Gerald just kind
Speaker 8: of spontaneously started talking about and they were, yeah, we
Speaker 8: were at bear Camp and then y'all did that podcast
Speaker 8: and they just I mean, they had clearly not heard
Speaker 8: the podcast and they just started talking.
Speaker 1: About I think James and Gerald listen to any podcasts feeling.
Speaker 8: Well anyway, it was pretty awesome because like they just
Speaker 8: walked right into the story telling these stories about I mean,
Speaker 8: and they had tales and the colors and I mean
Speaker 8: and they and it was really funny. And you're just
Speaker 8: sitting there having to be quiet, and I thought that
Speaker 8: was and you, like Scott Brown, I wish you would
Speaker 8: have played.
Speaker 1: That's right, that was good. I forgot about that comments.
Speaker 1: Just give him your headset.
Speaker 6: I want to hear my uh my mom swears up
Speaker 6: and down she saw a black panther in New Boston
Speaker 6: by the prison, really and then uh She's always talked
Speaker 6: about it, and then it came up again after this podcast,
Speaker 6: and I just couldn't break her heart.
Speaker 1: You just let it go.
Speaker 3: I just let it go.
Speaker 1: What what is it? Let it go. The other day
Speaker 1: with a guy that I was talking to and he
Speaker 1: wasn't informed of the podcast, he hadn't listened anything, and
Speaker 1: he said, Clay, I want to show you this picture.
Speaker 1: Look at this, and he thought it was a black panther.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's like straight up, and I just
Speaker 1: I didn't have time. I didn't have time. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I'll be darn, you think that's a black panther.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just kind of I just didn't have time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like listen, here,
Speaker 1: come here. He was an older, older gentleman to be like,
Speaker 1: have a seat. I got someone I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about, and they're not real Tell your mom
Speaker 1: as far.
Speaker 6: As as far as the Beargers Hall of Fame, as
Speaker 6: far as episodes, I think that's the first one.
Speaker 1: Really you're saying you liked it the best.
Speaker 6: I just think that all the ripples that worked its way,
Speaker 6: it was really like identifying like the trajectory of it.
Speaker 1: There was some things I would have done different in
Speaker 1: the sequence of storytelling. That's what I heard. When I
Speaker 1: heard it. I was delightfully. I'm really nervous about going
Speaker 1: back and listening to old stuff, even like from three
Speaker 1: weeks ago for real, because I hear stuff and I
Speaker 1: wish I did it different. The podcast is good. I
Speaker 1: should have told Scott's stuff way up closer to the front.
Speaker 1: And now I don't have as long of interview like
Speaker 1: I talked to Myron for like thirty minutes, kind of
Speaker 1: like NonStop, almost like we pretty much don't do that anymore.
Speaker 6: I feel like you don't talk as much, like inside
Speaker 6: of the interviews, you give the soundbites to the people.
Speaker 3: I quit more.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know you're right.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I try to I ask people a question but then
Speaker 1: I trim out my question, and it's all about an
Speaker 1: efficient listen. Yeah, because I mean I think you cover
Speaker 1: two hours worth of content and one hour's worth of
Speaker 1: media when you listen to a good Bear Grease and
Speaker 1: it's and that's one way I've made it more efficient.
Speaker 6: Is that all context with the Yeah, so a good point.
Speaker 1: Good point, Josh.
Speaker 2: The older I get, the more I believe what I
Speaker 2: think I believe, so I'm all for confirmation bias. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm confirmation bias.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to believe what I want to be.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: So my dad I grew up with the dad who
Speaker 1: believed in black panthers. You grew up with the d
Speaker 1: that didn't. Well, I'll be honest. I think before the
Speaker 1: first time I actually listened to the podcast, I thought that, like,
Speaker 1: you could see a black panther. Oh you did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's because I spent too much time around
Speaker 1: too much time around the believer.
Speaker 6: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, any other comment's misty, Gary, just I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: more the second time. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: mountain lions around, we just don't see them. But it
Speaker 1: was I was surprised when he said they're not as
Speaker 1: secrety as we h.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a very good point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I couldn't believe that because I hunted a remote
Speaker 7: area for a long time and I used to envision
Speaker 7: mountain lions up in trees. I don't know if i'd
Speaker 7: read a book or what, but I thought, you know, back.
Speaker 1: As far back as I am, I.
Speaker 7: Could be lunch for one of these guys. You know,
Speaker 7: you know, I thought about it so much. It's almost
Speaker 7: like I saw a mountain lion, but I didn't, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's like I was aware that there were
Speaker 7: mountain lions in that area, or at least I thought, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I thought they were anyway.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I just I agree with Josh. I'm just
Speaker 8: thinking about what he said. I don't feel like I
Speaker 8: have a strong enough opinion about mountain lion specifically, but yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm for confirmation bias.
Speaker 1: Life with confirmation bias is just a little more fun
Speaker 1: than reality.
Speaker 8: Well, I think I think that, No, that's not what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. I just think that some of what it's
Speaker 8: kind of taken any what. But Bear John said too.
Speaker 8: You know there's times where he's if you were to say,
Speaker 8: was bear in the woods by you or you know,
Speaker 8: was he hiding in the woods. No, bear was talking
Speaker 8: about like there are people that have walked right by
Speaker 8: on them.
Speaker 1: He's right there.
Speaker 8: And if you ask those people, they would say absolutely not,
Speaker 8: and they would be wrong.
Speaker 1: They would be wrong to the point.
Speaker 8: And I'm just saying, thinking, if you could say it
Speaker 8: more efficiently than me, I'm gonna I can a little bit.
Speaker 3: But no, that's that's it.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying I've never said there's a breeding
Speaker 5: population of mountain lions in Arkansas. I happen to be
Speaker 5: at a place, two different places as a crow flies
Speaker 5: eighty miles apart, where I saw with my own eyeballs
Speaker 5: two mountain lions.
Speaker 3: Neither one were black. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 8: But eventually there will be a breeding population, I mean,
Speaker 8: even just with h And you've got to be open
Speaker 8: to that. All these skeptics have to be open to
Speaker 8: I mean, someone is gonna say one day I saw this,
Speaker 8: and you're gonna have to believe them.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be true.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And if you can be just as blind by
Speaker 8: your skepticism as you can by your.
Speaker 1: Belief, Boom, there it is. That was good. You can
Speaker 1: be just as blind by your skepticism as those who
Speaker 1: are blinded by their own confirmation bias living outside of reality. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm all for it, man. I want I want there
Speaker 1: to be a breeding population of mountain lions in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and I think there will be as long as deer
Speaker 1: populations remain stable. I mean, I think you know there
Speaker 1: was you talked to so many guys that were like man,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, there were no deer here.
Speaker 1: There were no turkeys here. In today there's a ton
Speaker 1: of deer, a ton of turkeys. There were no elk.
Speaker 1: Now there's elk. I mean in our lifetime there could be.
Speaker 1: There could be mountain lions all over the east. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Merry Christmas. I wish you
Speaker 1: could have some of these cookies that Juju bought at
Speaker 1: Sam's Good that you put on a plate.
Speaker 2: And put them on a plate and covered in the place.
Speaker 1: That was the first That was the first thing she
Speaker 1: told us. It was like too much information, Juju. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 3: God bless well.
Speaker 1: All right, have a merry Christmas, everybody.
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