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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore.

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Speaker 2: Brent, I appreciate that you got your hunter orange wedding

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Speaker 2: ring on today.

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Speaker 3: I am don't get shot walking through the woods.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Grease Render. This is a this

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Speaker 1: is this is our Christmas episode. Oh did you guys

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Speaker 1: know it?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 1: This is this is the Christmas episode. It's great to

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Speaker 1: have everybody got a great group of people today. We're

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Speaker 1: actually going to have there is one very special guest,

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Speaker 1: surprise guest, surprise Christmas guest that's going to be coming

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Speaker 1: in here in just a minute. But oh and here

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Speaker 1: she comes. Now come.

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Speaker 2: Is this making an official tradition since the second.

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Speaker 1: Year your headset. This is my mother Juju Newkeom. She

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Speaker 1: just has a small Christmas message for all of us.

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Speaker 1: She's brought what have you brought us?

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Speaker 3: Judu?

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Speaker 4: The Christmas cookies? I bring every here. Okay, I do

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Speaker 4: have to admit I have a little help this year.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: My sister Cindy told me how good the Sam's decorated

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Speaker 4: Christmas cookies. And I had a busy, busy week, but

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to forget that It's Christmas and we've

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Speaker 4: got to celebrate.

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Speaker 2: A little bit with cookies.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: The next best thing was nothing.

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Speaker 1: So okay, So we have a beautiful plate, Brett, why

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Speaker 1: don't you describe these cookies.

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Speaker 5: We got white and green trees shaped cookies that are

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Speaker 5: decorated with icing and little sprinkles.

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Speaker 1: I liked how my mom brought those in a plastic box,

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Speaker 1: took them in my house and then put them on

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Speaker 1: a Christmas plate and put cellophane over it looks it

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Speaker 1: looks okay, Juju your Christmas message? What would you like

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Speaker 1: to say to the bear Grease people?

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Speaker 4: I just want to say that I can't believe it's

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Speaker 4: been a year. I remember last year Bailey was with us,

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Speaker 4: gave such a sweet little message. I was hoping she'd

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Speaker 4: be here today. I just want to wish everybody merry Christmas.

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Speaker 4: And just I love reading y'all's comments to Clay.

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Speaker 1: She is very protective of.

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Speaker 4: Specially love is when you mentioned your kids and how

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Speaker 4: you're happy that that that Clay can do a podcast

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Speaker 4: that the kids can listen to, and I just think

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Speaker 4: that is souper. So get Merry Christmas. I hope y'all

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Speaker 4: have a great Christmas, celebrate with your families.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Juju, Thank you excellent.

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Speaker 3: She reminded me of this is a review that I saw.

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Speaker 1: Today We solve iTunes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to pray for this guy because apparently

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Speaker 5: he died in the middle of it.

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Speaker 3: It says both shows are great.

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Speaker 5: I hope Country Life sticks around, but he gave us

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Speaker 5: five stars before.

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Speaker 1: You all right, well, thanks Ju, thank you, Jujuy, passed

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Speaker 1: those around, pass the cookies around green Okay, So we

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Speaker 1: have Brent Reeves here from this Country Life podcast. Brent,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to you and I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Meteor Live shows that you were

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Speaker 1: just on cool here, you were a big hit. We

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Speaker 1: have a very special guest. He's been on here a

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Speaker 1: couple of times. Bear John, the greatest Hunter.

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Speaker 5: I know, yeah, me too, my favorite new come a

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Speaker 5: hunter right here.

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Speaker 1: You know, I described when I'm trying to tell people

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Speaker 1: about Bear I'm like, if you turn me and Barry

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Speaker 1: loose in the same woods with a bow, and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, the guy who kills the deer first wins.

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Speaker 3: A car, right, Like, you're walking home.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'd probably be walking home. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was at school the other day talking to Bear

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Speaker 1: Did you hold on? Did you hear that beep? People

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Speaker 1: have accused me of that being a microwave going on

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Speaker 1: he's heating up. No, it's not a microwave for some reason.

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Speaker 1: My uh my, my computer beeps. So carry on.

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Speaker 2: Though, Joshua day and and he's got one tag left

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Speaker 2: right Bear, yep, one do tag?

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Speaker 2: And he said, I'm gonna take it with a traditional.

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Speaker 2: And he found a good spot. But he concocted this

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Speaker 2: I try to be supportive, but that'll never work. He

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why he's here. Later, he's gonna tell us

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Speaker 2: So what what's the title of this of this method

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Speaker 2: the scent pouch sent bundle.

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Speaker 1: Since sim Fondle Bear has a news strategy, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about fabulous. Yeah, so Bear John's here to

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Speaker 1: Bear Johns left, Colby Morehead, Bear Honey Magazine, the man.

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Speaker 6: Yep, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to me.

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Speaker 1: You've been on You've been on here several times. Yep,

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Speaker 1: so Colby, uh So. For eight years before I worked

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Speaker 1: the world's only print Bear Honey Magazine been in print

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Speaker 1: for over twenty three years. Colby worked with me for

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Speaker 1: And then when I went to Meet Eater, Colby now

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Speaker 1: owns just miraculously, just like I am. We don't even

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Speaker 1: know how it happened. Now owns and operates Bear Honey

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Speaker 1: Magazine is sir, which which we gave a little plug

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Speaker 1: last week for full cry. Oh yeah, so now this

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Speaker 1: week it's Bear Honey Magazines. I like it and you

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Speaker 1: need to subscribe to Bear Honey Magazine. It's just got

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Speaker 1: all types of bear hunting across the country, outfitters, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. It's great, good stuff. Good to be here, yep.

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Speaker 1: To Kolby's left, Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker. Great to see everyone.

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Speaker 1: Josh is the fashion, the fashion eiast of the Bear

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Speaker 1: Grease podcast. I wish it was me. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: got some embroidery on the shoulder. Yeah, embroidery. I mean

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Speaker 1: you just always look cool. Well, I mean you are

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Speaker 3: Boots covered in deer brains.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well you look good, Josh, You're looking good.

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Speaker 1: To Josh's left, Gary Believer Nukem, which it's very important

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Speaker 1: that's usually here, but it's very important that he's here

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Speaker 1: today because on this episode of The Render, which if

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Speaker 1: you're new to this, you know, The Render is when

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Speaker 1: we talk about the podcast that just came out, and

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Speaker 1: we did something this week that we have never done

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Speaker 3: We Yeah, you basically took a vacation.

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Speaker 1: We re ran a classic, Josh, That's what it's called

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Speaker 1: to re ran a class last So we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the the ripples, the ripples in the in

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Speaker 1: the world that happened when episode one of Bear Grease

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Speaker 1: hit the hit, the hit the planet. So, Brent, you

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Speaker 5: Kansas City, How was it the green room? There a

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Speaker 5: lot better than this one. Wow, this got Christmas cookies.

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Speaker 5: When they said, uh, you will go back here. I

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Speaker 5: was talking with Chester and Chesters like Chester Floyd's Chester's

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Speaker 5: like come back here, man, at the green rooms. Back here,

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Speaker 5: we're going to chill back here before the show and everything.

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Speaker 5: And there's coffee, tea, cookies, an assortment of nuts. What's

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Speaker 5: I'm scared to say that anyway, that thing's on there. Okay,

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Speaker 5: you come up here to the World Headquarters. If you're thirsty,

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Speaker 5: will make coffee.

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Speaker 1: How did this turn into it?

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Speaker 3: Coffee?

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Speaker 1: Backhand?

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Speaker 3: The coffee pot is what we need out here?

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Speaker 5: Is its?

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Speaker 3: Three years?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some advice.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time anybody's ever even suggested it.

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Speaker 1: Have you not seen the suggestion box?

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Speaker 3: No? I haven't. Okay, but that that's it.

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Speaker 1: Other than all the negative things that are happening here.

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Speaker 1: How was the live show?

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Speaker 5: Oh, the last show was great. It was wonderful. I'm

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Speaker 5: still in the green room. It was good man. It

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Speaker 5: it was just it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: How many people you think were there?

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Speaker 5: I was over two thousand, Oh wow, huge auditorum, Yes, big,

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Speaker 5: It was really it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: And they had you tell the story. Yeah, Brent told me.

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Speaker 1: He was like right before the show. Renella was like, hey, Brent,

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Speaker 1: why don't you tell that story about that that crackhead

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Speaker 1: was like, what I mean, like if everything that Steve

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Speaker 3: That's the story that you want to hear.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you tell that one to us?

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Speaker 5: He digs it. That was, Uh, give me tell you.

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Speaker 5: Here's a condensed version of us. Marshalls had a warrant

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Speaker 3: Our team goes down there.

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Speaker 5: We split up, hit the house and it's like, I

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Speaker 5: And we went in and we opened the door expecting

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Speaker 5: So we're all masked up and got all the safety

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got paint all over him and he's been

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Speaker 1: me to that computer behind you, and there's some weeds

440
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 1: between me and him. And at this point I I'd

441
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: already drawn back. And he looked at me once he

442
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: got there, and I was just like.

443
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, he got a mouthful of squirrel.

444
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: He thought he'd beat the day man. And I just

445
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: knew that was I knew that was the only shot

446
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: I was going to get, and so I shoot, and

447
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: I either shot high or hit the weeds, and it

448
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: just skipped right over his back and he pitched the

449
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: squirrel and ran like ten yards behind me and just

450
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: stopped there, looking at me broadside. And I guess he

451
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: just didn't want to leave his squirrel, or he was

452
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: curious or something. And so I just stood there, and

453
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: I have a back quiver on and I just reached

454
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: back and pull out my other arrow and just draw

455
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: back and I shoot, and it kind of ducks and turns,

456
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: and I just hit it right in the back of

457
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: the head and it just drops right there. And so

458
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: I go, get the cat, get the squirrel. And no

459
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: more than seven or eight minutes later, I just hear

460
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: some cracking coming from out in front of me, and

461
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: so I and I'm not in my last arrow, and

462
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: and I see a I see a dough coming down

463
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and it is a it's been scared by some dirty socks.

464
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it was moving. It's moving. If you were

465
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: writing this, you would say the dough moved at the

466
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: pace as if she'd been sent by a pair of Well,

467
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: all I can say is that I saw them go

468
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: north three times in the morning, and this time they

469
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: were going south, So I mean, I don't know, they

470
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: weren't like really spooning, they were running. No, No, they

471
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: were pretty calm. So I don't know. But I actually

472
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: really appreciate that you're not giving full credit because I

473
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: think that, especially when it comes to scent, hunters completely

474
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: make like real significant judgments of what an animal does,

475
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: like real definitive judgments like the animals smelled me and

476
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: did this, or they didn't smell me and they did that,

477
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: when it's really kind of are you sure that's the

478
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: way it happened. So I appreciate that because when Bear

479
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: told me, he was like, I'm not sure that my

480
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: scent bundle pushed him this way.

481
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 3: But that's just because he didn't want to get in trouble.

482
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, so but they came, So here comes

483
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: these DearS. Your going too, So you kept hunting. You

484
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: gathered up the bobcat and the squirrel just like had

485
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: him sitting right beside you.

486
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah.

487
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: Actually, whenever I was lewer my mow, my bow got

488
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: stuck on the arrow that was into bobcats. And so

489
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: you're you're going to continue to hunt.

490
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: Yep.

491
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: Okay, and pretty much the big dough walks out eighteen

492
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: yards and I have a short, wide broadhead on that's

493
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: real light. It's so when you're shooting the traditional bow

494
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: usually have a specialized heavy head, especially a self bow

495
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: that's not shooting as hard. We didn't really have much

496
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: time to get him ready for this, and so he

497
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: just had like standard looking broad Yeah, and the first

498
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: two broadheads, both the ones that I shot the bobcat

499
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: would have been perfect that it was just kind of

500
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: my backup broadhead, but I didn't think very much of it.

501
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: And pretty much the doe walked out at eighteen yards,

502
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: I shot and just hit her right behind the shoulder

503
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: and my arrow bounced off literally made a d get

504
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: any penetration, no, And I mean like it had like

505
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: hair on it, but it just I mean it was

506
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: just laying right there. And they all just ran back

507
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: into the world and ran across the river. And those

508
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: are the only three der I could find, So I

509
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: pretty much figured my humble was over. Wow, Bunt, what

510
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: do you think of that? Man's awesome? Yeah?

511
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 7: Uh, Bear called me on man. He said it had

512
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 7: a pretty cool hunt. I thought i'd better tell you

513
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 7: and I thought, I, Oh, we care that little sucker.

514
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 6: It's just crazy what he did that morning.

515
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found bobcats. Bobcats were highly elusive to me

516
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: as a bow hunter for years. I didn't kill until

517
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: I was an adult. I missed five bobcats before ever killed.

518
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: I think I've killed two now with a bow. They're

519
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: hard to kill and to kill one on the ground

520
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: at like point well to get a shot off, even

521
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: at like point blank range.

522
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: Two shots.

523
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty that's pretty cool, pretty cool.

524
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: Uh No, I was gonna say, remind me of the

525
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: Dry Creek bed.

526
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

527
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when you sent me the picture,

528
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: I was in Alaska, No, no, where was a Yeah,

529
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: I was in Alaska and uh And he said I

530
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: killed bobcat. I shot it had a squirrel in its mouth,

531
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh cool. And I see

532
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: the picture. And I looked at that picture for two

533
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: days while I was in Alaska before I finally zoomed

534
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: in and I was like, oh, there's a squirrel.

535
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 5: I didn't see the squirrel either. Oh really, the squirrel

536
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 5: looked just like a immediate it to me.

537
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So he took the picture with

538
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the squirrel laid there. But somebody, you know, I put

539
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: that on my Instagram and you know, like ninety nine

540
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: percent of the people were just like, Wow, that's cool.

541
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: And somebody was like, if he shot the squirrel crossing

542
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the creek, or if he shot that bobcat crossing the creek,

543
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: why aren't the bobcat's feet wet?

544
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: He was like.

545
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: Thought, like like we were trying to pull one over

546
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: on the world. And I almost responded back to him,

547
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: but I didn't. And I was going to say, my brother,

548
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a bobcat cross the ozark extreme

549
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: They don't get their feet wet?

550
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, rock to rock.

551
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean, anyway, good hunt, good hunt, good hunt. For sure.

552
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 7: I asked Bear, kind of the city boy that I

553
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 7: am at heart, what are you going to do with

554
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 7: that squirrel? I mean, it's killed by a bobcat, its

555
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 7: teeth is penetrated to meat, and you know, I'm he said, well,

556
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 7: I guess I'll take it home, put it in a freezer,

557
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 7: no question.

558
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: What did you do with it?

559
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 6: Bear?

560
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Well? I ended up I cut a backstrap out of

561
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: the bobcat and cut you know, the legs off the

562
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: squirrel and ate them for dinner. You ate the Bobcat

563
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: piece of it?

564
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it good.

565
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty good. I mean it wasn't anything special,

566
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: but like it smelled terrible when I skinned it, so

567
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: I really thought it would be nasty, but it just

568
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: tasted like meat, Like cat meat is pretty good.

569
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: Some of the best meat I've ever had was Mountain

570
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: Lion that you.

571
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Gave Mountain Line. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. The here's

572
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: something that the bear grease world can can do for

573
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: for me? For meat Eater, for Steve Vanella, welcome, miss Newcomb.

574
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: Have a seat, doctor. Mister Newcomb has just joined us.

575
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Let's giver it a round.

576
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: It was.

577
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: Here's something that the bear grease world could do for me.

578
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: On January the ninth, the audio original The Long Hunters,

579
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: How are you, doctor Newcomb? Good to be here, great

580
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: bear just told this. Let me tell you. Juju came

581
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: in and gave a Christmas message to a.

582
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: Bear.

583
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: Just told us about his Bobcat squirrel deer hunt was

584
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: really great.

585
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

586
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Brent told us about how he had a great time

587
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, probably even better than coming here. He

588
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: had a better time. He had a better time there

589
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: than with us as people. Wow, it hurts so and

590
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: now we're talking about Now we're talking about the Long

591
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: uh January ninth, Meat Eater, Meat Eater, American History. The

592
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: Long Hunters seventeen sixty one to seventeen seventy five Audio

593
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: original Me and Steve Vanella. You can pre order it now.

594
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. We have pretty big plans to

595
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: make more of these, and if we sell, if we

596
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: sell a bunch of these, we're gonna be they're gonna

597
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: want us to do more. And so you can pre

598
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: order this and it's you listened to it like an audiobook.

599
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be five to six hours. And I'm telling you,

600
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: there has never this data has never been gathered and

601
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: put in one place. It was. There was a lot

602
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: of questions the way Steve described it as the historical

603
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: authors that wrote about the time periods with the Long Hunters,

604
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: and even modern historical authors are often not hunters, and

605
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: they don't focus on the things that hunters and really

606
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: people that are living close to the land are interested in.

607
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: And he had all kind of questions about a lot

608
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: of different stuff. And Randall Williams thieve and I we

609
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: we developed this book. Brandon Williams did a lot of

610
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: the research, and it's I just can't imagine someone that

611
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: likes any kind of American history and deer hunting to

612
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: not for this not to be like essential reading. Well,

613
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I would say reading material. But it's an audio original

614
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: listening material. So go and you can pre order it.

615
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Now, where do you go to pre order It's.

616
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: It's easy to find. It's on the Penguin Random House Audible.

617
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: It's audible. Yeah. So anyway, do that be doing a

618
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: favor favorite to the Bear Grease world?

619
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: So do that?

620
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: Are there options to like boot leg it? So I

621
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: have to pay for it, I mean, get credit.

622
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: For it if you bootlegged it. I just let somebody know,

623
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, just like a penguin me, just so they

624
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: can like put a little tally mark on it. Yeah,

625
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: tally marks. That makes me think of something that I

626
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: learned just this week that the Native Americans used a

627
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: bear femur to keep track of different things in the

628
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: archaeological record. They would take a big bear and make

629
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: tally marks on bear. Yeah, yeah, making notches for stuff,

630
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: tally marks. Okay, that was just a little aside. Episode

631
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: one of Bear Grease. I noted a few things about

632
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: it Brent Reeves was actually the first voice ever heard

633
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: on the Bear Grease podcast.

634
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 5: That's not true. It was second to yours.

635
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Are you sure you were? You not the Cold Open?

636
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh but I said the Cold Open episode one first interview,

637
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Well it was the cold Open though, Yeah. And then

638
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: it was Brent Reeves, and then I did my little

639
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: I did my little open burritos ready, and then it

640
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: was Dad talking about how he had just bought bought

641
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: the property. It wasn't how many mountain lions have you seen?

642
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: Does it matter?

643
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: Oh? It matters, of course it matters.

644
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, if you've seen a mountain lion, it was in

645
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: a mountain lion episode that you'd seen a mountain lion.

646
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 8: Could It's kind of died out a little bit, but

647
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 8: there used to be a lot of animosity coming from

648
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 8: a whole land Bridge over there about not being interview

649
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 8: that everybody had been interviewed except for him.

650
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

651
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm not a subject matter expert

652
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: on anything.

653
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: Just a dude.

654
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know how I got this job.

655
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: It's just a dude. You were cheap, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

656
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: call anything stand out to you in the episode.

657
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 6: You know, one of the things that has lived in

658
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 6: my brain pretty rent free has been Scott Brown's story

659
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 6: about being at Walmart sewing that license. Like I think

660
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 6: about that regularly, like like I'll see something on my

661
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 6: trail him and I'm like, man, I think that might

662
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 6: be Man, I don't know.

663
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't want to be that guy.

664
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: I just wondered.

665
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 5: And I listened to it again on the way up here,

666
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 5: and I was thinking when I was thinking, well, maybe

667
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 5: Scott don't know what amount.

668
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Maybe those other guys did.

669
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were casting casting.

670
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: Well, I was just saying there was five witnesses.

671
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: Again. Man, when I heard so, I hadn't listened to

672
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: this episode in a long time, And when I heard

673
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: Scott's story, it almost made my blood boil just a

674
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: little bit to think about. I mean, if I had

675
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: been in that little covey of guys back there, you

676
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: know Scott, I mean, Scott kind of fed the monster

677
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: a little bit.

678
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: Well, he's also working, he's in a business.

679
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, his job. His job isn't to debate because people,

680
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you you will offend somebody if you

681
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: correct them when it comes to something they think they've seen.

682
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: But I think I would have just been like, Oh,

683
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: that's not a mountain lion, that's a bobcat. We all

684
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: know it. See all later, Scott.

685
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 7: If you knew.

686
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: Scotty my audible book.

687
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out the Long Owners and Britos already.

688
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 7: If you knew Scott Brown, I mean this guy, he's

689
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 7: a real deal. Outdoorsman deluxe. His dad outdoorsman deluxe. And

690
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 7: I think Andy's dad was. I mean, he goes back,

691
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 7: way back.

692
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh.

693
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 7: Hey, he's a he's a killing dude. He knows the outdoors.

694
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 7: I trust him anywhere. He knows what a mountain lion

695
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 7: looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure, maybe just

696
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 7: by photo, but he you know, he's a he's a

697
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 7: he's a real deal.

698
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: So this episode, though, I remember when we first did it.

699
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: I told I told you in the in the little

700
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: preamble that I was commissioned to make three episodes. In

701
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: the first two the first two that I made, one

702
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: was with James Lawrence and the other one was about dogs,

703
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: and then the third one was the mountain Lion episode.

704
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: And uh, and we ended up but the mountainline episode

705
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: was the third one. And I remember thinking when we

706
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: had those three and we had to start that we

707
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: were it was like a gamble to put that one

708
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: first because we'd probably never make another one that was

709
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: anywhere close to that good. Like I thought the Barger's

710
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: podcast was gonna be like, man, they had one good episode, yeah,

711
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: I mean for real. And I remember telling my boss

712
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: at the time, who was Ben O'Brien, and I said, man,

713
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: I think we got a swing for the fence because

714
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: we thought about putting it later, like starting a little

715
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: bit lower. And and to me, the James Lawrence episode

716
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: ended up being as good as any we've ever done.

717
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: Like I revamped it. I did those two. We all

718
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: listened to it. It was like a four out of ten.

719
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: And then I went back and rebuilt the whole James

720
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence episode and like put in it just and so

721
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: to me that one was like redeemed. But I remember

722
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: just thinking.

723
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: Just basing off the critical review of the of the

724
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: mountain Land.

725
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: One, well, just I just didn't think there was that

726
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: many and intriguing stories like that that would draw people in.

727
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: And and I think we've learned that that's wrong. I

728
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: mean there's you know, I mean just with all the topics,

729
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: like you think about all the topics we've covered in

730
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: the last almost three years. I mean, from these historical

731
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: figures to some of these living guys to I hear

732
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about the tax jurmmy road

733
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: show and Brent and I drove around remember that, Brent.

734
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I still get missed that.

735
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was so it's interesting to go back.

736
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: But I truly get more interaction around that than anything

737
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: of to this day. People sent I mean for real,

738
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. Look at this. I'm pulling up my.

739
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: Telling know about the flood now because here's the ones

740
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 5: that I get that have a black panther in them.

741
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: Is like, well you show this to Kalay.

742
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Since since this podcast started, somebody sent me

743
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: a black panther image. I'm serious. We took the time

744
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: on that. That came, that came just today.

745
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 5: Well let me tell you we that very photograph right there,

746
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 5: Steve and Joannis and I talked about that on a

747
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: podcast we did in Kansas City.

748
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: That picture, right, yeah, it's.

749
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Been around a long time.

750
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: Well and this guy says it's from Georgia, yep. And

751
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: he his line here would fall into category number one

752
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: of my automated response sir, you you were looking at

753
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: an animal that's not from North America. I mean, that's

754
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: a real black panther, but that is not from North America.

755
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: A wild North American sins you. Well, uh wait a minute,

756
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: did I just totally interrupt you while you were going

757
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: to talk about what stood out to you?

758
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 6: You know, I thought it went a really good direction.

759
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

760
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 6: I will say the most surprising thing when listening to

761
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 6: it again was I was surprised that you knew a

762
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 6: quote from Dumb and Dumber. I was like, Clay's never

763
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 6: watched that movie.

764
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't know many pop culture pop culture.

765
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 8: I'm not sure that we're going to call a movie

766
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 8: that's twenty something years old pop culture.

767
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: But that's what all the kids are watching, Misty.

768
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 6: Well the old kid, yeah, the kids your age.

769
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

770
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 8: You actually got the quote a little bit out of context.

771
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 8: It was like, well, I'm not sure that Clay has

772
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 8: watched Them and Dumber?

773
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Dad?

774
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Do you what so that that podcast w you is

775
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: the believer black panther Believer? What what stood out to

776
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: you when if you heard it again? I mean, like,

777
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, after after three years of being the believer. Yeah,

778
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: where do you stand? Well, I tell you, I hate

779
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: to say this.

780
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 7: I mean, you talked to us some pretty credible people,

781
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 7: but they're they're full of hogwash.

782
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 5: You know.

783
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's garbage.

784
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 7: I don't know where these guys went to school, the game,

785
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 7: and I love, uh, you know, the guys working there.

786
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 7: I mean, they know what they're doing, but they got

787
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 7: the black panther all monked up. So I keep the

788
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 7: same stance, you know, I know, I don't believe it.

789
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: I know it.

790
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 7: I mean it's for real, Okay, and Oli, what's the

791
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 7: name of her town?

792
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: Bucks?

793
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Snore down in Bucks? Yeah, I mean you could hear

794
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: them at night without a doubt. Yeah, and you can

795
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: tell the difference between the black one and the regular

796
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: colored ones. Spylar sound y'all remember the early podcast. There's

797
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: no question so anyway, no why.

798
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: It was very good.

799
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, probably more this time than first. Yeah.

800
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 7: I found it shocking that they would get only one

801
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 7: verification on one hundred, one hundred and fifty reported. Yeah, sightings,

802
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 7: it's kind of interesting.

803
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Yeah, Well, Josh, what do you think, not

804
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: necessarily about the podcast, but just about going back and

805
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: listening to the first episode of Race.

806
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big fan of erens.

807
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

808
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to watch things and listen to things

809
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: over again because I feel like my attention span is

810
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: a little weak sometimes, and so going back, I pick

811
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: up on things that I missed before. I all credit

812
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: due to Myron Means. Brilliant guy. He's been on here.

813
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: Fantastic guy. There's got to be more mountain lions out

814
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: there than we're seeing. I just have I just believe it.

815
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: I don't.

816
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: Well, I've known Brent to lie all the time. So

817
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: he says he's seen two. I believe he's seen at

818
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: least at least one.

819
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: Okay, so yeah, I've seen two with witnesses, but times

820
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 5: mm hmm. They had four witnesses. The first three other

821
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 5: witnesses besides myself.

822
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: The first.

823
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were vaccinated.

824
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 5: The second one. The second one was a coon hunter.

825
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: The first time was broad daylight with three other guys

826
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 5: in the cab of the truck.

827
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And it was.

828
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: It was where did you see Ashley County?

829
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 5: Ashley County outside between Hamburg and Fountain Hill.

830
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: That narrows it down.

831
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: Oh bear, you ever seen the mountainin Bears lost his headset,

832
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: never saw the mountain long.

833
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 8: I think that that I would believe it if Bear

834
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 8: had seen it. Yeah, because I think anyone that's out

835
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 8: in the woods as much as Barry is, Bear sees

836
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 8: the craziest stuff, like constantly seeing crazy stuff, constantly bringing

837
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 8: home videos of like what are you saying, I'm just

838
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm just saying. I'm just saying I would

839
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 8: only believe it if Bear saw it.

840
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: M hm, you would believe it if Bear saw Oh

841
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: here we go. What's what's your buttle?

842
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: Bear?

843
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Well, I was talking with a little my buddies the

844
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: other day, and you know, like like sometimes whenever I

845
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: hunt on like a TV trails, you know, if like

846
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: ATV is coming down and I don't want them to

847
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: see my spot, Like if I'm like all my way

848
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: into a spot, I hit the side of the road

849
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and hide behind a tree, and they have no clue

850
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: that there was a dude within ten feet of them. Yeah,

851
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I've probably I feel like

852
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people have probably walked right under one.

853
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: Mm m. I mean we got a believer on our hands.

854
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: I mean, what about the fact, how do you what

855
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: about the fact that there's not any here? How would

856
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: you have me into your argument. There's just we've got

857
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: plenty of very credible yeah, witness incredible ish incredible credible ish.

858
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you would think you'd see like a

859
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: track or something though in a puddle, But man, I

860
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: find that, uh, this is this, This statistic can be

861
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: verified and is one hundred percent accurate. Ninety eight percent

862
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: of American hunting license holders, America's hunters cannot tell the

863
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: difference between a canine and a feline track.

864
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: I was just thinking the same thing. I don't know

865
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: if I saw it in the woods, if I would

866
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: be able to differentiate.

867
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many pictures of big old track tracks,

868
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: canine track, you know, somebody else send it to me,

869
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: be like, is this is this a mountain line? And

870
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a canine track, and it's

871
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: uh and it's kind of hard to tell. And I

872
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: I've actually had to study it quite a bit. The people,

873
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: the two percent of people that do know I was,

874
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: y'all just took me at my word, at the solidity

875
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: and certainty of my statistics. I appreciate that. I just

876
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: kind of made that up is the is the hunters

877
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: that are that are pursuing lions, like they can tell.

878
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: They can tell driving down the road at thirty miles

879
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: per hour a track in the snow that it's a

880
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: cat or if it's a bear, if it's a dog.

881
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: You know, is there a distinguishing feature that.

882
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Well, the the a cat track is much more oval,

883
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: and you can it's almost like you could place this

884
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: isn't the best description, but you could like place a

885
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: stick in between the pad and the toes and it

886
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: would be like more of a straight line. A canine

887
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: has four toes that are going to be on this

888
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: pad and they're gonna be the way there. There's like yeah,

889
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: there's kind of like too low and then too high

890
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: and then and then uh. A cat pad has the

891
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: three lobes on the on the on the pad of

892
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: the foot. Is that would you say? It's about right brown?

893
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: And a canine always is going to have claws. A

894
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: cat cat is never basically ever gonna see a claw

895
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: mark in the track. And the other thing that I

896
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: think would surprise most people is that a pretty durn

897
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: good sized mountain lion track is small. I mean, and

898
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not an experienced mountainline hunter, but I have line

899
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: hunted a couple of times. And that cat hanging on

900
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: the wall right there was a male weighed one hundred

901
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: and twelve pounds, was killed in Panhandle of Idaho when

902
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: it was two degrees killed. A traditional boat shot it

903
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: out of tree. And when I saw that track in

904
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: the snow with my friend Leon Brown in Idaho, it

905
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: was heck, it was pretty small, I thought, And I mean,

906
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: that's not a big cat. I mean a big one

907
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: weighs one hundred and forty pounds. I mean that's a monster.

908
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: So but that that was an adult male cat, younger

909
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: side of adult. But and I mean that track wasn't

910
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: as big as a coke can I bet really yeah,

911
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean so I think a mountain lion track as

912
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: much smaller than what you would think. Okay, so that's

913
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: just my that's just my input. I've never seen a

914
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: mountain lion. I can't wait till the day in Arkansas.

915
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: In Arkansas, yeah, excuse me, in Arkansas.

916
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: How many cats have you seen with.

917
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I've seen that one. And one

918
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: time in British Columbia, a cat jumped out in the

919
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: road while we were driving down the road bear hunting

920
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: and just loped down the road in front of us

921
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: for about thirty yards and then Brent, Yeah, exact same

922
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: scenario as Brent. What are you pointing out, Brent?

923
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: The squirrel and waiting on the bob kit.

924
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I've only seen those are the only

925
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: two I can remember. Yeah, and that's a lot of

926
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: beating around out west too.

927
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: So one was an idahole, one was in one was British.

928
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: Columbia, and the one's Idaho. That's right, yep, yep. I've

929
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: now seen some wolves up close. I just back from Alaska. Uh,

930
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some more on this coming out. We filmed.

931
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: We filmed our Alaskan trip, and so there's sometime in

932
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: the next year on the media or YouTube channel, there's

933
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: gonna be uh us trapping wolves in Alaska.

934
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: And it was.

935
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: It was an incredible trip. I hadn't told that about it.

936
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: It was that part of Alaska was in southeast Alaska.

937
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: It was the most spectacular natural beauty of any place

938
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: I've ever been. We were on the ocean, so we

939
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: were at sea level, down low, but they're big snowcapped mountains.

940
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Basically in every direction, but there was a lot of

941
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: glacier activity where we were at I was reading today

942
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: about about the idea of wilderness, and there's a term

943
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: that's called sublime, which has been watered down by modern

944
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: culture to kind of take away its meaning. But the

945
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: word the old nature writers, the original nature writers that

946
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of forged and articulated the ideas around American wilderness,

947
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: used the word sublime to describe interactions with raw pieces

948
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: of nature, and sublime it almost has the feeling of

949
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: like a supernatural experiment, experience like an I can think

950
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: like euphoric, euphoric, like a like an. The way they

951
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: described it was like an overlap of the natural and

952
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: spiritual world coming together. When Josh, when I was in

953
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Alaska there we went to a glacier that met the ocean,

954
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Some glaciers, don't. This glacier. I mean,

955
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: you could rowed a boat right up to it, and

956
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: we did. When I saw it, we were I believe

957
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: we're two miles away. We kind of came around this

958
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: bend and we had been seeing like when you get

959
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: like four miles from this glacier, you're just out in

960
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: the ocean and you start seeing chunks of ice. You know,

961
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: if you didn't know any better, you'd just be like,

962
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: what is that. You drive over there and there'd be

963
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: a chunk of ice about as big as an ice

964
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: chest floating, just clear chunk of ice.

965
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 5: You'd be like, Wow, that's wild.

966
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: You go another quarter mile and there's a chunk of

967
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: ice as big as a big as a black bear floating.

968
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: Oh wow, look at that. You go another three hundred

969
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: yards around the bend and there's the ice chest as

970
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: big as ice, piece of ice as big as a

971
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: volkswagon floating. You go around the corner again and there's

972
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: two hundred blocks of ice that are big chunks like

973
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: a drafte Yeah. Yeah, And then and then you know,

974
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: basically there's like chunks of this glacier falling into the

975
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: ocean then melting as they move out. The closer you

976
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: get to the glacier, the bigger the icebergs get. When

977
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: you got two miles away, you could see this glacier.

978
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: It glowed blue, and dad, I have never had an

979
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: experience like this before. It was not concocted. I wasn't

980
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: expecting it, but I like the hair on the back

981
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: of my neck stood up when I saw that glacier,

982
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: And I mean, for real, this is not a figure

983
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: of speech, like you know people say my mouth dropped open. Yeah,

984
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: like I kind of came to awareness after a few

985
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: minutes of looking at this glacier from two miles away,

986
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: and my mouth was open. I was just like holy,

987
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and it was a sublime experience. And as soon as

988
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: you round the corner and you can see the glacier,

989
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the air temperature dropped, you know, probably seven or eight

990
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: degrees started getting cold. And then you come up on

991
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: a glacier that's like as big as your house. And

992
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: we floated around it, and the deep the ice that

993
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: was the densest was was blue. It glowed blue like

994
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: a like a stained glass window. And when we when

995
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: we got up to it, I mean, it's hard to

996
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: describe it. Almost it felt to me like a portal

997
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: to another realm, because you it just world.

998
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: It was.

999
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like and and when we

1000
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: got when we got within sight of it, I asked

1001
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: David Bennett's who was the guy I was trapping with,

1002
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: This incredible guy sty king God service, he I asked him.

1003
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: I said, well, we see this thing, calve, you know,

1004
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: that's what they call when chunks of ice fall off

1005
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: of the glacier into the ocean. And he was like,

1006
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I mean I didn't know if it was

1007
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: something that happened like once every two weeks or if

1008
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: it happened like all the time. And we're withinside the glacier,

1009
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: I say, well it cave and he goes, oh yeah.

1010
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: I turn around and we're now over a mile away

1011
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: from it, and I hear what sounds like thunder. I

1012
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: mean I actually looked up because it was puzzling to

1013
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: me the sound I heard. I thought it was thunder.

1014
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I see, like in slow motion,

1015
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: this huge chunk of ice fall off, and it just

1016
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: looks like slow motion and it was a chunk of

1017
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: ice about as big as my house.

1018
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

1019
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: And I saw it hit the water and just now,

1020
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: that wasn't the thunder. The thunder was it cracking off

1021
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: the noise it made when it cracked and fell, and

1022
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: then it hit the water and you see the ocean

1023
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: just explode. And then like three minutes later, the boat goes,

1024
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, like the wave comes out, and I was like,

1025
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: holy cow, we are gonna see this same calve and

1026
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: on the way to it, I saw three huge chunks

1027
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: of ice fall off, and so I thought, man, we're

1028
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: just gonna get like right up on this glacier and

1029
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: just watch a show. And we got there, and by

1030
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: the time you get up to it, there's so much ice.

1031
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: You're just breaking ice. Basically, you're like parting. It's like

1032
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: a slushie, you know, on the top of the ground,

1033
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: with big chunks of ice, small chunks, chunks as big

1034
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: as your house chunk is. And we stayed in front

1035
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: of that glacier for probably forty minutes, just kind of

1036
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: floating around within like two three hundred yards of it,

1037
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: like as close as you wanted to get, and I

1038
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: never saw another big piece fall off.

1039
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: Really.

1040
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like totally erratic.

1041
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1042
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 5: That blue was the most is the bluest thing I've

1043
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 5: ever seen. Mister sent me the picture. It was absolutely incredible. Yeah,

1044
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 5: did you and I forgot to ask you, did y'all

1045
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 5: get into that ice and melt it and drink it?

1046
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 6: No?

1047
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: No, we talked about it. Dave Bennett's told me that

1048
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: there was a time period maybe in the eighties when

1049
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: they were selling glacier ice. Yeah, to rich folks. To

1050
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: putting their because it it didn't melt as quick because

1051
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: it was denser, and those icebergs had rocks in the ice.

1052
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: It'd be like clear ice, like as big as your house.

1053
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: You could you couldn't see all the way through it,

1054
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: just because it was like, yeah, well there was the

1055
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: like glacier move, it would be like rocks inside the ice.

1056
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 5: I just wonder what it tasted like.

1057
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: I did suck on one piece. Did it taste like water,

1058
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: tastes like regular water, like regular water.

1059
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: Did it taste like an extinct disease or distinct part?

1060
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1061
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you gonna say, Missy nothing.

1062
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: Did you hear about that? It just reminded me of

1063
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: that chunk of that glacier that broke off in Greenland?

1064
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: Do you hear about that.

1065
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: There's a chunk of a glacier that broke off of

1066
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: a fjord in Greenland that is fifty miles long and

1067
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: twelve miles wide. It's adrift. Now they say that it

1068
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: melting will literally cause the ocean level to rose just

1069
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: from that one glaciers.

1070
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. The glaciers are the glaciers are melting,

1071
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: I asked David that's a that's an interesting statement. And

1072
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: if you say that and want to sound intelligent, you

1073
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: have to put a little context around it. The glaciers

1074
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: have been melting for ten thousand years. I mean, that's

1075
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: the way, you know, so the glat You can't just

1076
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: say the glaciers are melting and it be like some

1077
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: statement of alarm, like the glaciers have been melting for

1078
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: ten thousand years. That is fact. What they're you know,

1079
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: what they're saying is that the glaciers are melting faster

1080
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: than we've ever seen them in recorded history, you know,

1081
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's true or not. I

1082
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: assume it is. David Bennett's told me that he has

1083
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: seen that glacier retreat about half a mile in his lifetime.

1084
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: Wow, it feels like a lot.

1085
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: It fells out, it does. But when you consider that,

1086
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 1: like twenty miles away where he lived, well wherever, however

1087
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: many miles away he lives, there was a time when

1088
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: there was like a mile and a half of ice

1089
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: pack over the place he lives that was connected to

1090
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Speaker 1: this glacier. Do you see what I'm saying. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like a trem like an unfathomable amount of ice

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00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: has melted in the last ten thousand years. But yeah,

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00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: I agree. So it's just interesting. A lot of people

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00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: have asked me, were they melting. I was like, yeah, so,

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: I with Mona's even took part in it. By I

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00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: did take a chunk of ice at a different glacier

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: bent we saw too, had a little chunk of ice

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Speaker 1: put in my mouth. What kind of load were you in? Well,

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Speaker 1: we stayed on a forty two foot fishing boat called

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Speaker 1: the Sandpiper, which was his crabbing boat. David is a

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: commercial crabber and has been has been involved in commercial

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00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: they call it commercial fishing, but commercial crabbing since he

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00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: was twelve years old. We stayed on that boat. The

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Speaker 1: inside that boat, there's a it's kind of like a camper.

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00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: It would be almost identical to a camper. There's a kitchen,

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00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: there's a bathroom, there's a kitchen table, there's bunk beds.

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Speaker 1: But we had a skiff, which was a heavy duty

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00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: aluminum boat made of quarter inch aluminum with a two

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: hundred inch two hundred inch two hundred two hundred horse

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: motor on the back of it that we used to

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: scoot around so we we Our base camp was the Sandpiper.

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Speaker 1: We stayed on there. It was incredible, six days on

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00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: the ocean up there. It really was incredible. It truly was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: I knew David from Bear Hunting magazine. Yeah, David is

1116
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: a longtime bear hunting magazine outfitter and he sells spring

1117
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: bear hunts and some of that real good hunting up there.

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00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, solid guy.

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 3: So how many wolves did you get?

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00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: We tried four wolves. It was it was very very unique.

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 8: If you look at Clay's Instagram, he's holding one of

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Speaker 8: them up and he says, this is a ninety pound wolf.

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00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: And it looks enormous.

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Speaker 8: It looks enormous. It looks like it's I mean, like

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Speaker 8: if that wolf is ninety pounds, he's about ninety five.

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00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: Photographs are always acceptive because scale means everything will spring.

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Speaker 1: This back to the Mountain lions. Like if you have

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00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: a tan cat, a tan house cat, Nana's tan cat

1130
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: house cat, like five feet from your trail camera, he's

1131
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna look big. I got post to Nana's cat, I

1132
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: got feet away.

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Speaker 3: I got the cure for all of that.

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Speaker 5: We talked about that Stephen and Joannis and Spencer and

1135
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 5: everybody on the podcast. We talked about this the other

1136
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 5: day after it was over with. I had this idea.

1137
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 5: It's like you get in an argument with somebody and

1138
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 5: you're leaving and drive it down the road, and like,

1139
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 5: got I should have told him this.

1140
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 3: This would have really got its goat. But I saw

1141
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: a thing.

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01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 5: I was watching something on National's Geographic and there was

1143
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 5: a guy in in this shark tank, in his shark cage,

1144
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 5: and they're trying to figure out how big these sharks

1145
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 5: are swimming out in front of him, because there's nothing

1146
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 5: nothing there to judge, you know, the shark against So

1147
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 5: he had a laser made underwater and it shoots out

1148
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 5: a beam of light or you know, two dots that

1149
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 5: are one foot apart or a meter I think is

1150
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 5: what they used. But a meter apart.

1151
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know how far that is.

1152
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we fought a water keeping doing that.

1153
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 5: So anyway, you get you get he shining out there

1154
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 5: and taking photographs of these sharks with that those two

1155
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 5: points on there. Then they could take the photograph and say, okay,

1156
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 5: that shark is however many long? He's fifteen feet long.

1157
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 5: So game camera. We need those two little lights on there. Okay,

1158
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 5: it shoots a beam out at a predetermin and distance apart,

1159
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: and if that regardless of where that animally is.

1160
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: When it hits him, you'll be able to measure that.

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01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 5: I see.

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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

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01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that if the lasers were exactly aligned, the

1164
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: distance wouldn't like get wider, get.

1165
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: Narrow, or with perfectly parallel.

1166
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd have to be perfectly parallel. That's what it was,

1167
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: and that's what the stress is. That's a good idea, bro.

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01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: That's going to be on I'm glad he brought that up.

1169
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: That's going to be on the our new trail came.

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01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: The Bear Grease trail camera in first light spect.

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01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I was just saying, the scale

1172
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: means a lot with those wolves. I agreed with you.

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: And that's the reason I put that they weighed ninety

1174
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: pounds because somebody would be like, somebody would have thought

1175
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: that's one hundred and pounds. That's one hundred and thirty

1176
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: pounds wolf. If you'd have seen them in person, you

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01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: would have been like, yeah, that's probably about a ninety

1178
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: pound wolf. But when you're holding it up, I can

1179
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: assure you I would not have hold it up. That

1180
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: wolf is like closer to the camera than you, and

1181
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: they just look bigger than they were.

1182
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: I wish you would have held it more like like

1183
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: a baby.

1184
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, no, it was interesting putting the wolf up.

1185
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: It was.

1186
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: It did not escape me that a wolf is a

1187
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: controversial animal to kill, like, not at all.

1188
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: And I.

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01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: Inside the film that we make when we actually show

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01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: people how we were trapping these wolves, we're gonna we're

1191
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: gonna handle it really with a lot of humility and uh,

1192
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: really tell the story. But man, here's the deal. People

1193
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: that live in wolf country that care anything about wildlife,

1194
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: vast majority of them are like all four. They don't

1195
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: necessarily hate wolves. They're all four managing wolves. People that

1196
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: have little functional connection to wolves, like me, love the

1197
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: idea of wolves. Are typically want to want to ceremonialize them,

1198
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, want to and want to protected. Man, the

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: people that love wildlife usually usually want them managed, and

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01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: I think they should be managed just like any other

1201
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: game animals. I want wolves on the landscape in Alaska,

1202
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: and of all people, David Bennett says too. David David

1203
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: Wolf traps in the areas that he moose and deer hunts,

1204
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: and like he, like I said on my post, it's

1205
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: not I mean, like we know, we didn't try to

1206
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: paint the picture like that we're changing the world by

1207
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: trapping a few wolves. But David says that he can,

1208
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: on a micro scale, positively impact deer and moose numbers

1209
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: in the places he hunts by trapping. Yeah, I mean

1210
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: with coons, and it's And I had somebody on on

1211
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: the gram be like proved me that taking those wolves

1212
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: out is helping deer numbers. And I didn't want to

1213
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: embarrass the guy.

1214
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: I'm nice.

1215
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm a nice man. I like to show people some dignity,

1216
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: so I didn't even respond.

1217
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: Wolves.

1218
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: The statistic if you looked it up, it will say

1219
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: that a wolf eats seven pounds of meat per day.

1220
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: Now that granted that's an average that they probably don't

1221
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,479
Speaker 1: eat that every day, but when you average it out,

1222
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: like they're eating a lot of meat, that's a lot

1223
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: of meat. Let's do the mathroll, Let's do the mathrooll quick.

1224
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: How many deer we literally.

1225
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: Let's do that.

1226
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 5: Let's do that wolf. What was the estimated age on

1227
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 5: that wolf?

1228
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: It was an adult male so it's like if it

1229
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: was like a dog, I would say it was at

1230
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: least a three or four year old. It may have

1231
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: been an eight year old. Let's just say three So

1232
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: three years, well, we would we would be we would

1233
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: be doing math on the years that he was going

1234
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: to continue to live. Let's say he lived another three years.

1235
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 5: This you're already you're already to my answer, how many

1236
01:04:58,800 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 5: is he going to eat next year?

1237
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, that's what I'm saying. So three years times

1238
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: three sixty five that's one thousand, ninety five days. Let's

1239
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: just say times five pounds of meat per day, that's

1240
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: fifty four hundred pounds of meat.

1241
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: Okay, do it for one year, do it for one year.

1242
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so three sixty five times, and I'm just gonna

1243
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: say five pounds of meat per day times five that's

1244
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred pounds.

1245
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: So that that wolf is going to eat several a

1246
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: big game speak big game animals himself.

1247
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so like if you take a wolf

1248
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: off the landscape, I mean, I don't see you know

1249
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times solutions like that. It's the narrative

1250
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: and the talking points for predator hunters that want or

1251
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: any kind of person that's wanting to justify something they

1252
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: want to do, Like sometimes.

1253
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: The Caribou, somebody plays Sarah McLaughlin like.

1254
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to simp. I don't want to

1255
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: simplify the narrative because it's easy to be like, oh,

1256
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, save deer, kill a wolf, like it's it's

1257
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: really probably not quite that simple, but it is like

1258
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: wolves don't have any other option. They gotta eat meat

1259
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: and and they have the right to and we love

1260
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: wolves on the landscape. But as David says, you just

1261
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: got to manage him. David David, David said, I like corn,

1262
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: but I want to eat it and harvest it too.

1263
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: It was funny when he said it. I thought it

1264
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: would punch a little harder. I started telling it that.

1265
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't gonna be that funny, and

1266
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: so I just suit your to that.

1267
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 8: I needed more time to process bambo.

1268
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: Now the So, yeah, I wanted to talk just a

1269
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: little bit about Alaska. So people will be able to

1270
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: see that, and uh, that'll be after they buy The

1271
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Long Hunter's Audio Original.

1272
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 6: Book, So that'll be great January.

1273
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: Well, they can order it now, Kolby, and they could

1274
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: you could order it as a Christmas gift and then.

1275
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: Do a little I owe you Those are the best.

1276
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little slip of paper that says I've ordered

1277
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: you American meters, American History, Long Hunters seventeen sixty one,

1278
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Speaker 1: seventeen seventy five.

1279
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 2: Works for magazine eight track.

1280
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah you can magazine, Bear Hunting Magazine. Christmas gift. Yeah,

1281
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: get the package, deliver three year subscription and a half.

1282
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: Anybody else have any Just like, uh, what would be

1283
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: a really just a significant analysis of the replay of

1284
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: this beargerase classic.

1285
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 5: Doctor Black, doctor back. Didn't believe me and he's still wrong.

1286
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1287
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 8: Next, I think you should have played back to back

1288
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 8: with this replay when James, Lawrence and Gerald just kind

1289
01:07:54,520 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 8: of spontaneously started talking about and they were, yeah, we

1290
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 8: were at bear Camp and then y'all did that podcast

1291
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 8: and they just I mean, they had clearly not heard

1292
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 8: the podcast and they just started talking.

1293
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: About I think James and Gerald listen to any podcasts feeling.

1294
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 8: Well anyway, it was pretty awesome because like they just

1295
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 8: walked right into the story telling these stories about I mean,

1296
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 8: and they had tales and the colors and I mean

1297
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 8: and they and it was really funny. And you're just

1298
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 8: sitting there having to be quiet, and I thought that

1299
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 8: was and you, like Scott Brown, I wish you would

1300
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 8: have played.

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: That's right, that was good. I forgot about that comments.

1302
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: Just give him your headset.

1303
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 6: I want to hear my uh my mom swears up

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Speaker 6: and down she saw a black panther in New Boston

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Speaker 6: by the prison, really and then uh She's always talked

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Speaker 6: about it, and then it came up again after this podcast,

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Speaker 6: and I just couldn't break her heart.

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Speaker 1: You just let it go.

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Speaker 3: I just let it go.

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Speaker 1: What what is it? Let it go. The other day

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Speaker 1: with a guy that I was talking to and he

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Speaker 1: wasn't informed of the podcast, he hadn't listened anything, and

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Speaker 1: he said, Clay, I want to show you this picture.

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Speaker 1: Look at this, and he thought it was a black panther.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and he's like straight up, and I just

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Speaker 1: I didn't have time. I didn't have time. I was

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Speaker 1: just like, I'll be darn, you think that's a black panther.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just kind of I just didn't have time,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like listen, here,

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Speaker 1: come here. He was an older, older gentleman to be like,

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Speaker 1: have a seat. I got someone I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about, and they're not real Tell your mom

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Speaker 1: as far.

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Speaker 6: As as far as the Beargers Hall of Fame, as

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Speaker 6: far as episodes, I think that's the first one.

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Speaker 1: Really you're saying you liked it the best.

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Speaker 6: I just think that all the ripples that worked its way,

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Speaker 6: it was really like identifying like the trajectory of it.

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Speaker 1: There was some things I would have done different in

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01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: the sequence of storytelling. That's what I heard. When I

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Speaker 1: heard it. I was delightfully. I'm really nervous about going

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01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: back and listening to old stuff, even like from three

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: weeks ago for real, because I hear stuff and I

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01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: wish I did it different. The podcast is good. I

1336
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: should have told Scott's stuff way up closer to the front.

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Speaker 1: And now I don't have as long of interview like

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Speaker 1: I talked to Myron for like thirty minutes, kind of

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01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: like NonStop, almost like we pretty much don't do that anymore.

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Speaker 6: I feel like you don't talk as much, like inside

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Speaker 6: of the interviews, you give the soundbites to the people.

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Speaker 3: I quit more.

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01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: Yep, you know you're right.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: I try to I ask people a question but then

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01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: I trim out my question, and it's all about an

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01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: efficient listen. Yeah, because I mean I think you cover

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: two hours worth of content and one hour's worth of

1349
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: media when you listen to a good Bear Grease and

1350
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,919
Speaker 1: it's and that's one way I've made it more efficient.

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Speaker 6: Is that all context with the Yeah, so a good point.

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Speaker 1: Good point, Josh.

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Speaker 2: The older I get, the more I believe what I

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Speaker 2: think I believe, so I'm all for confirmation bias. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm confirmation bias.

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to believe what I want to be.

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01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 1: So my dad I grew up with the dad who

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01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: believed in black panthers. You grew up with the d

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: that didn't. Well, I'll be honest. I think before the

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: first time I actually listened to the podcast, I thought that, like,

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01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: you could see a black panther. Oh you did. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because I spent too much time around

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 1: too much time around the believer.

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Speaker 6: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: Well, any other comment's misty, Gary, just I enjoyed it

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: more the second time. I think there's a lot of

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: mountain lions around, we just don't see them. But it

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Speaker 1: was I was surprised when he said they're not as

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Speaker 1: secrety as we h.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a very good point.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I couldn't believe that because I hunted a remote

1374
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 7: area for a long time and I used to envision

1375
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 7: mountain lions up in trees. I don't know if i'd

1376
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 7: read a book or what, but I thought, you know, back.

1377
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 1: As far back as I am, I.

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01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 7: Could be lunch for one of these guys. You know,

1379
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 7: you know, I thought about it so much. It's almost

1380
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Speaker 7: like I saw a mountain lion, but I didn't, you know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's like I was aware that there were

1382
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Speaker 7: mountain lions in that area, or at least I thought, yeah, yeah,

1383
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 7: I thought they were anyway.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, I just I agree with Josh. I'm just

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01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 8: thinking about what he said. I don't feel like I

1386
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 8: have a strong enough opinion about mountain lion specifically, but yeah,

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Speaker 8: I'm for confirmation bias.

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: Life with confirmation bias is just a little more fun

1389
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 1: than reality.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think I think that, No, that's not what

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01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 8: I'm saying. I just think that some of what it's

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 8: kind of taken any what. But Bear John said too.

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Speaker 8: You know there's times where he's if you were to say,

1394
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 8: was bear in the woods by you or you know,

1395
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 8: was he hiding in the woods. No, bear was talking

1396
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 8: about like there are people that have walked right by

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Speaker 8: on them.

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: He's right there.

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Speaker 8: And if you ask those people, they would say absolutely not,

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Speaker 8: and they would be wrong.

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: They would be wrong to the point.

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 8: And I'm just saying, thinking, if you could say it

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 8: more efficiently than me, I'm gonna I can a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But no, that's that's it.

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying I've never said there's a breeding

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Speaker 5: population of mountain lions in Arkansas. I happen to be

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Speaker 5: at a place, two different places as a crow flies

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01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 5: eighty miles apart, where I saw with my own eyeballs

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Speaker 5: two mountain lions.

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Speaker 3: Neither one were black. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: But eventually there will be a breeding population, I mean,

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Speaker 8: even just with h And you've got to be open

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 8: to that. All these skeptics have to be open to

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01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 8: I mean, someone is gonna say one day I saw this,

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 8: and you're gonna have to believe them.

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna be true.

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, And if you can be just as blind by

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 8: your skepticism as you can by your.

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: Belief, Boom, there it is. That was good. You can

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: be just as blind by your skepticism as those who

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: are blinded by their own confirmation bias living outside of reality. Yeah, no,

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: I'm all for it, man. I want I want there

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01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: to be a breeding population of mountain lions in Arkansas,

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01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: and I think there will be as long as deer

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01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: populations remain stable. I mean, I think you know there

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01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: was you talked to so many guys that were like man,

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01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, there were no deer here.

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: There were no turkeys here. In today there's a ton

1429
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: of deer, a ton of turkeys. There were no elk.

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: Now there's elk. I mean in our lifetime there could be.

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: There could be mountain lions all over the east. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Merry Christmas. I wish you

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01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: could have some of these cookies that Juju bought at

1434
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: Sam's Good that you put on a plate.

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: And put them on a plate and covered in the place.

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01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: That was the first That was the first thing she

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01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: told us. It was like too much information, Juju. You know,

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't care.

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01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: God bless well.

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Speaker 1: All right, have a merry Christmas, everybody.

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Speaker 3: M