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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesdays, and they should a big lue kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on giants dot com. He's pulled the Tina

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Speaker 1: on Lance Metta with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone

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Speaker 1: number hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. We're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: your phone calls. We're gonna get to your tweets. So

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Speaker 1: today is an off day for the Giants. They had

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Speaker 1: three straight padded practices. They now have an opportunity to regroup.

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Speaker 1: You have an opportunity to regroup as well. I am

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Speaker 1: so down. I could tell no practice today, folks, none

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Speaker 1: but empty. Yes, but that's good. You could have your

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Speaker 1: Nike walk. I already did my five the small You

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Speaker 1: could do another one. I could, and I might say

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Speaker 1: it's a nice day. It's supposed to rain tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: downpour on Thursday. Well that's not necessarily good news for

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Speaker 1: the fans who plan are coming out to practice. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I brought it up. Yes, because folks, as

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Speaker 1: you probably already know, bad weather forces the players inside

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Speaker 1: the field house and there are no uh blinchers or

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Speaker 1: any type of fan accessibility you in there, So please

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Speaker 1: be very careful tomorrow. If you have tickets for practice,

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Speaker 1: check the Giants website, check the Giants Twitter Facebook page,

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Speaker 1: because there's a good likelihood based on what the weather

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Speaker 1: people are saying, that you're going to be rained out tomorrow. Now,

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Speaker 1: later on in the program, Paul will tell you what

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Speaker 1: direction the jet stream is coming in from, so stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. Here on giants dot com we provide

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Speaker 1: the latest about the Giants as well as the weather patterns.

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Speaker 1: See but this might as well be rained for me

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Speaker 1: because there is no practice. You know, the sun is

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Speaker 1: like almost inconsequential because I don't get to see the place.

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Speaker 1: That's why the weather is irrelevant today, is what you're saying. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: the good news is we've got an hour to break down,

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Speaker 1: which I think makes up for the fact that there

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Speaker 1: is no practice. Can you folks keep us company, Please

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Speaker 1: bring us up, because we need we need something to

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Speaker 1: spark the day. It's just such a down or with

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Speaker 1: no practice two zero five one three. Well, what's not

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Speaker 1: a downer is some of the observations that we have

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Speaker 1: seen over the first few days of practice. And let's

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Speaker 1: go over some of the trends and some of the

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Speaker 1: things that pat Shermer has noted, and on the defensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball, a lot of young guys that

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Speaker 1: they're testing on the defensive line. But one of the

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Speaker 1: most intriguing storylines to me thus far in the early

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Speaker 1: stages of training camp Paul is the safety position. And

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Speaker 1: the reason I bring that up, Landed Collins, we know

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Speaker 1: is penciled in is the strong safety. The free safety, though,

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Speaker 1: is a wide open battle at this point, and they

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Speaker 1: have been rotating players in and out every single day

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Speaker 1: with a new personnel grouping starting, which gives the coaches

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to assess the situation. Obviously they're gonna learn

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Speaker 1: more during the preseason, but you know most teams they

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Speaker 1: want to get those top two guys and they want

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Speaker 1: to give them as many reps together as possible. The

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Speaker 1: Giants are right now very open to seeing a variety

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Speaker 1: of different combinations. Well, I think part of the reason

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Speaker 1: if there was a hold over, you might think that

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Speaker 1: the incumbents would have the edge, but because there's a

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Speaker 1: new staff in here, Uh, they're going clean slate, which

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Speaker 1: coach Hermer told everybody months ago he was going to do.

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Speaker 1: This is not a surprise, Okay. Now, I personally believe

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Speaker 1: that between Adams and Darien Thompson and Booby Miles, obviously

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Speaker 1: Curtis Riley. But again he calls himself Booby Miles. We

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Speaker 1: know if you've looked at the Giants website. Dan Salomon

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Speaker 1: he calls himself Booby Miles. But they are one of

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Speaker 1: the same person, folks. For those of you who may

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Speaker 1: not know that two different people, they are actually one

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Speaker 1: of the same person. You will not find a Booby

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Speaker 1: Miles on the roster. His name is Curtis Riley. UM.

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Speaker 1: I know Mike Thomas, who you seem to believe is

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Speaker 1: going to very much in the mix. Yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's as much. But having said that, UM, we

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Speaker 1: do know that, you know, those three guys have at

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Speaker 1: Thomas has known more for his special teams. So if

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Speaker 1: don't know. I would say yesterday Curtis Riley um did

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Speaker 1: One of the very few minor injuries we've seen during

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Speaker 1: of injuries, Donte Dion had a slight tweak in the hamstring.

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Speaker 1: the nickel corner spot and Dante Dion. This is a player,

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Speaker 1: Paul that has been on the practice squad for parts

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Speaker 1: He is flashed before and it reminds me of Charles

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Speaker 1: the same things. He'd flash in practice, he'd have a

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Speaker 1: tough challenge for him to make the roster. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Dion is in serious contention here based on his familiarity

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Speaker 1: I think he's been the third best corner on the

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Speaker 1: he did. You, Jazz said, okay, uh, I would say

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Speaker 1: this the Giants, as I posted on Twitter the other day,

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Speaker 1: The Giants who in the or to position on the

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Speaker 1: The Giants will have pick number two. Now, the Browns

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Speaker 1: So the Giants may not have their third or their

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Speaker 1: We've seen that in years prior Paul, where the Giants

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that necessarily increases their chances of making

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Speaker 1: Pat Don didn't stick, by the way, he didn't stick.

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Speaker 1: That's why I said, but it's another guy that I'm

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Speaker 1: every which way but lose, you know, in any event.

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Speaker 1: Aside from that. By point to you is this, Dave

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Speaker 1: made it very clear every guy on this roster has

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Speaker 1: That's why I think it's key to monitor in these

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Speaker 1: preseason games, Paul, who really stands out on special teams,

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Speaker 1: It's another hurdle you must be able to navigate to

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Speaker 1: get yourself on the game day roster. Two one three

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Speaker 1: Some observations over these first few days. To me, what's

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Speaker 1: that you've heard that Vernon is doing well at camp.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny it out at all. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely agree with that. Now. You know. Solder, on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, is a guy who has an incredible resume.

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Speaker 1: And while you know he's putting out because that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of guy, he is also a pros pro in

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Speaker 1: my money. For my from my money, I need to

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Speaker 1: see Nate Solder at his best in September. I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily need him to be stoning Olivier Vernan right now

436
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Speaker 1: at the end of July. If that makes any sense

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Speaker 1: to you, Oh yeah, definitely. Um. And if you think,

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Speaker 1: if you think Dante Dion keeps this uh keeps this

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Speaker 1: rate up, do you see him as the starting nickel

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Speaker 1: for the season. It's a wide open competition and if

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Speaker 1: he continues to produce as he has so far, why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't he be the guy? But it's a long way

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Speaker 1: between now and Jacksonville. Yeah, so far, so good. I

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Speaker 1: think Dion probably if you asked me, would be the

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Speaker 1: front runner at this point. But it's very early. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I would not rule out, just

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Speaker 1: based on what I've seen, if they are impressed with

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Speaker 1: the depth that they see, it's safety Paul. I could

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Speaker 1: see an additional safety being utilized as that additional corner

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Speaker 1: and using that safety in the slot if they feel

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Speaker 1: confident like an Antro roll And I know Antro Rolls

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Speaker 1: sometimes had his ups and downs when he was put

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Speaker 1: in the slot. I remember that Cowboys game a few

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Speaker 1: years back when all of a sudden, because of injuries,

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Speaker 1: they had to bring him into al Thomas. I think

456
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Speaker 1: I banged up and the Cowboys took advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: But it would not surprise me if they may be

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Speaker 1: utilized the safety in the nickel A is another option,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that's far fetched at all. I

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Speaker 1: certainly think that that's something that would consider what else

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Speaker 1: you got, Christian, And also, um, how is Barkley ran

462
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Speaker 1: the ball? Because I hear so much about you know,

463
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Speaker 1: his the catches that he's making in the in the jukes.

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Speaker 1: But how does he looked just running through the hole,

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Speaker 1: like between the tackles. Again, you're you're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: a whole ton of that in in these kinds of practices.

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Speaker 1: You need to see more of that during the preseason games.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you when they do practice the

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Speaker 1: running plays, he does shoot through the whole very very quickly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden, you see the bodies

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Speaker 1: collode at the line of scrimmage, and there's twenty six

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Speaker 1: like a blur on the other side, and and and

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Speaker 1: and gaining positive yardage. So I would say he's passing

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Speaker 1: all of the tests so far with flying colors. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: before you start grading the running game, you've got to

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Speaker 1: see some preseason snaps. Definitely. All right, Well, thanks for

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Speaker 1: taking you gotta appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for weighing in. Let's head back to the lines. Jake

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Speaker 1: is in Westfield, Massachusetts. Jake, what do you have for us?

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Speaker 1: Don't know, Jake, what's on your mind? Uh, listen, I

481
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Speaker 1: know it's early in joining camp, but based define what

482
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Speaker 1: you guys have seen, um, there maybe a clear cut

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Speaker 1: number two quarterback like David Webb. You know, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would say it's web at this point. Paul Pat Sherman

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Speaker 1: was asked that last week and said that he's not

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Speaker 1: putting together a depth chart. It's too premature to do so.

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Speaker 1: But I think we all know that Davis Webb is

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Speaker 1: the solid number two. I there's no question about that,

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Speaker 1: at least unofficially. But coaches not naming one now because,

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Speaker 1: as he said, he wants everybody to compete at the

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Speaker 1: highest level and wants everybody to quote have an equal chance. Look, well,

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Speaker 1: let us getting a ton of snaps too, Let's not

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Speaker 1: let's not get ourselves. He's getting a lot of practice

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Speaker 1: time out here. But it's clear to anybody who watches

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Speaker 1: and anybody who knows anything about football, Davis Webb is

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Speaker 1: cemented is the number two. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: But good for Pat Shermer not to not to name it,

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Speaker 1: because after all, it's unlikely. But what happens if David's

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Speaker 1: Webb just suddenly decides he's gonna play horribly and just

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Speaker 1: absolutely does miserably struggles in the preseas preseason, goes one

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Speaker 1: for fifteen against the Browns for for five yards and

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Speaker 1: three year deceptions. I mean, that's not gonna happen. But

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if that happens now, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you gotta eat crow and backpedal and say, well,

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Speaker 1: I named him number two, but now I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's why it's unnecessary to crown anybody this exact, but

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I think unofficially, based on what we've seen,

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Speaker 1: David's Webb right now would have an edge over Loletta

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Speaker 1: Inca because he has more experience, He's got more tools too.

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Speaker 1: You gotta Jake appreciate the phone call. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that David's Webb brought up when he spoke

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Speaker 1: to the media, he was asked, well, what did your

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Speaker 1: work on this offseason, you know, other than obviously looking

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Speaker 1: at Vikings tape and seeing how this offense is gonna run,

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Speaker 1: and said, mobility out of the pocket, but being accurate

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Speaker 1: on the run. That's what he said he emphasized to

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Speaker 1: himself this offseason. Coach Shermer's specifically was asked about Eli

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Speaker 1: and Davis's Webb the other day and said both quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: have been very good throughout camp. Consistently good is what

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Speaker 1: he said. Uh, there's no doubt that it's been a

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Speaker 1: good camp for both number ten and number five. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what Shermer pointed out, he said, mentally he's been very impressed,

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Speaker 1: meaning getting the guys lined up, seeing what the defense

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Speaker 1: is showcasing, making adjustments at the line, deciphering the blitzers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are the things that jumped out to him about

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning and Davis Webb. But like you said, right now,

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Speaker 1: nobody has won two three in terms of the laundry list.

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Speaker 1: Because listen, if I'm a coach to even if you

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Speaker 1: have the urgency to build a depth chart until you

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Speaker 1: really see them in one preseason game, you know those

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Speaker 1: pieces going to be moving inside out, upside down. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, you know they're being tested because James Betcher, Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's got quite a schematic book upstairs, and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know these guys are seen at all. All. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's say back to the phone lines. Wagner's in Connecticut. Wagner,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's on your mind? Well,

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Speaker 1: I was wanting to know how that Eric Flowers looking like,

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Speaker 1: how is this? I know it's hard in training camp,

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Speaker 1: but how is this technique? And it's mentally getting getting it?

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Speaker 1: Also with Chad Wheeler to like, is is he getting it? Like?

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Speaker 1: Is this technique? Uh? Is this technique getting better? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we should go back to coach Sherman who

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Speaker 1: said that he thought Eric Flowers was doing well. He

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Speaker 1: likes his focus, Uh, he likes his work habits. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He says he's doing better and it's consistently improving since

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Speaker 1: the offseason and becoming more and more comfortable right tackle

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Speaker 1: all the time. I have I have no reason to

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Speaker 1: doubt the coach when he says that. Again, as he

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Speaker 1: explained to us very carefully, that it's so easy because

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Speaker 1: people want to take the temperature day to day. They

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Speaker 1: want grades on the offensive line, they want grades on

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Speaker 1: the player eight to day, and they think they know

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Speaker 1: what they're seeing out there, but they really don't. Only

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Speaker 1: the coaches understand the big picture. Only the coaches understand

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Speaker 1: what it is that they want done on a particular

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Speaker 1: play and if it was done or not. And I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a great example. Let's just say there's a

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Speaker 1: they've called on the field, and you can't tell this

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Speaker 1: necessarily on the field, even sometimes they don't have the

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Speaker 1: yardsticks exactly where they want them. Let's say it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a third and eight play, okay, And this play

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna run is designed for Betcher to send

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Speaker 1: the firehouse blitz. He's gonna send everybody, all right. So

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Speaker 1: what happens the crowd's watching. Quarterback goes back to throw,

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Speaker 1: throws the pass. It's complete for six yards. Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: the uneducated eye says, okay, quarterback read the blitz, made

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Speaker 1: the throw. It was complete. It's a good way. But

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Speaker 1: in reality, it was not a good play because the

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Speaker 1: purpose of the play was for the blitz to get home.

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Speaker 1: That was what that play was designed to do. That

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Speaker 1: play was specifically set up for the all out blitz

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Speaker 1: to get the pressure and to get the quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: it failed. So ultimately, in the coach's mind, that was

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Speaker 1: a bad play. You see what I'm getting at. If

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Speaker 1: you unless you know what the coach's intention is on

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Speaker 1: on the particular play, you truly don't know if that

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Speaker 1: play was a success or not. Now, at the same time,

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Speaker 1: the secondary coach is gonna say, well, I like guy

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Speaker 1: stopped on a yard short of the first down. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't success for him. So you can't even have a

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Speaker 1: particular play where it's good for one unit, but not

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Speaker 1: good for the other. And and this is why it

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Speaker 1: is so lame, so lame for anybody, especially people who

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Speaker 1: don't know, to pretend that they know and assume that

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Speaker 1: they know and make broad brush statements and say, well,

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Speaker 1: such and such a player isn't doing this or isn't

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Speaker 1: doing that. Especially when you're talking about guys on the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, it is incredibly difficult for any of

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Speaker 1: us who are not knowledgeable of what the play is

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Speaker 1: being called and what's the purpose of the play to

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Speaker 1: truly understand if that player won that player or not.

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Speaker 1: What we can see in the skill position, guys who

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Speaker 1: are throwing it and catching it and maybe knocking the

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Speaker 1: ball down their secondary that we can kind of all see.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of stuff we can So your answer,

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Speaker 1: your answer, I don't know a hundred percent where Eric

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Speaker 1: Flowers is doing, but the coach says he's doing, well,

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Speaker 1: that's good enough for me. And as far as Chad

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Speaker 1: Wheeler Wagner that you also asked about, then when Pat

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Speaker 1: Sherman was asked about the backups, because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of young guys, there's some unproven communities, there's some veterans

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Speaker 1: I mean, he mentioned at this point he likes the

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Speaker 1: fact that everybody's competing. But until I get to the games,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to make declarations about all of these individual

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00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: players and how they're doing. But he does like the

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Speaker 1: level of competition, especially even at the center position, where

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Speaker 1: we're seeing Brett Jones trying to fight off the competition

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Speaker 1: to see if he can contain a start job. Yeah. Yes, um, well,

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Speaker 1: just the fact that they competing, that's that's great. That's

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Speaker 1: the last year. I think some guys it's even for

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Speaker 1: me to say that kind of gave up. But it's

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Speaker 1: a competition is always a good thing. It's a great thing.

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Speaker 1: Let'sen depth is important when you're looking at the makeup

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Speaker 1: off your roster and appreciate the phone call wagon. All

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Speaker 1: you need to do is go back to two thousand

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Speaker 1: seventeen when the Giants were decimated by so many injuries

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Speaker 1: and there was a significant drop off from the starters

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Speaker 1: to the backup. So what Pat Shermo obviously wants to

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Speaker 1: see this season is in the event that they suffer

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Speaker 1: an injury to a starter, that that backup they're confident

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Speaker 1: that he's going to come in. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: think one of the things that Pat Shermer has been

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Speaker 1: preaching Paul throughout camp, and this is similar to Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman's philosophy, is his address to the team has been

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Speaker 1: he wants all ninety guys to get a roster spot.

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Speaker 1: What he means by that is, fifty three guys make

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Speaker 1: the Giants roster, maybe ten guys make the practice squad,

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Speaker 1: a couple of more make it to various other practice

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Speaker 1: squad teams, or they get picked up by other teams

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Speaker 1: on the fifty three. So if everybody looks at it, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've got to get a roster spot. That's gonna make

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Speaker 1: everybody else on the team better. And that's been his

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Speaker 1: main message, which I think is a philosophy every coach

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00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: should adopt. Listen, tell the goal of the team is

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Speaker 1: every single person in our room right now, get a

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Speaker 1: roster And that doesn't mean it's a fifty three, get

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Speaker 1: a practice squad position, gets something associated with an NFL

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Speaker 1: team throughout the course of the season. Well, that shows

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Speaker 1: you a couple of things. It shows you a you're

640
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: scouting staff and personnel department was doing a good job

641
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: because they picked out worthy guys. It also shows that

642
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: your coaching staff has done a good job, because if

643
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: all those guys land on rosters, then it also means

644
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: the coaches were helping to coach them up and make

645
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: sure they performed to the level that they were capable of. Ye,

646
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: it's a good reflection, like you said, on the front

647
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: door office as well as the coaching staff. Let's head

648
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: back to the lines. We got Jason in Denmark. Jason,

649
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: what's happening? It was going online what he got for

650
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: doing today? Doing very well? So what's happening? Hey? I

651
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: love that interview poorly that you did with a mad Bradshaw. Oh,

652
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: thank you. It was a lot of fun. Great to

653
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: see him again. Yeah, it was really refreshing to see him,

654
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, up there talking um, which which brings me

655
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: to my small not necessarily comparison, but I want to

656
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: get to your take. Remember how when a mind Bradshaw

657
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: would run, when those times when he would look like

658
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: he was like stop, he would die forward, close forward,

659
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: move forward, do something to get that extra half a yard.

660
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: Do you see safe Buckley also doing that? If it

661
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: comes times when you say they double team him or

662
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: something any and they stopped him, is he a Clora,

663
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: is he gonna die forward? Is he gonna try to

664
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: get that extraarity will let you know, get him in

665
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: a game? Right now? You can't tell that because these

666
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: these are contact practices. I hate to use the word

667
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: because I know it was used under the previous regime,

668
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: but Coach Charmer used it himself their thud practices. You're

669
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: hitting guys with pads and if you're not come over,

670
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you're not wrapping up and throwing them

671
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: to the ground, at least you're not supposed to. So

672
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: without the wheel tackling going on and the wrapping up

673
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: going on, your question is totally premature. We can't tell. Okay, Okay,

674
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Well I'll bring it up on another show later on. Well,

675
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: but Jason, I do I do think Barkley has the

676
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: shift nous like a mod Bradshaw. If you're trying to

677
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: make that comparison where Bradshaw would be able to dance

678
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: in between defenders and you know, do a little shaken

679
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: and Bacon. I think Barkley has the potential for that.

680
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: But I mean, is he gonna constantly be shedding tacklers

681
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: and if guys wrap him up, he's gonna be able

682
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: to carry them and shed them. And I would agree

683
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: with Paul, until you really see a game situation, I

684
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: think it's way too early to make that declaration. And

685
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: then and that statement, you're just making a lance about

686
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: getting a roster, roster spot, and whether it's on the

687
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: Giants practice squad or other team and so on. Remember

688
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: I to it, I'm from the military, and so on.

689
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: And in the military, Uh, you know even supervisors that

690
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: if your sailor moves to another ship, moves to another command,

691
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they advanced, they get another rank,

692
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: they do well, they win the Nobel Prize, that Chief

693
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: Betty officer, that officer actually gets credit for that, even

694
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: though they're not on the command. Like when I listened

695
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: when I listened to that press conference, I felt the

696
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: same way, Like it's like I saw the military, you know,

697
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: pass on a roster, it's with the Giants or not,

698
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: because you only we're going to grow as a player,

699
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: and you never know, you might make your way back

700
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: to the Giants and work justice out or even harder

701
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: once you get back. If if that's the case, So

702
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you with that statement. The last thing

703
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: I would say is, um, I agree to you also, Land,

704
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: that was a hell of a statement PAULI just made

705
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: about the naked eye and the educated eye. I would

706
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: have to use that some time in the future. That

707
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: was really great. You never know when you get some

708
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: words of wisdom out of Paula Tino on People Kick

709
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: Off Live, he surprises you sometimes, Jason, you see that

710
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: you can even tell that from overseas. We got a

711
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: little weather report today and we got words of wisdom. Jason.

712
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be funny when I say this,

713
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: and I and I really mean this. Part of being

714
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: experienced and being around something for such a long time,

715
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: you learn to know what you don't know. And those

716
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: are the smartest people in their particular fields because they

717
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: understand what it is that they can't assume. And you know,

718
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: it's laughable at at how many folks just automatically think

719
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: they know but they really don't. If they once they

720
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: recognize and know what they don't know, that's when they

721
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: can begin to really start deciphering the truth. That is true,

722
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: that is true. When I let some other calls come

723
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: through a great show and can't wait for preseason, I

724
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Jason appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in.

725
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines we've got t in

726
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: New York City. Tee. What's happening, what's going off? All

727
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: those Thanks for taking my call. I just saw that

728
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs got his contract. He did when my man

729
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: on Dell Beckham getting Hey, well, I think we've had

730
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: this conversation about twenty five million times on this program

731
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: and my response is the same thing to you go

732
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: back to what John Mara and Dave Gettleman said that

733
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: when it's time, they will hammer it out and in

734
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: the event that it doesn't work out, This is not

735
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: their words, these are my words. I've always said. You

736
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: still have the franchise tag, which is an option under

737
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: the c b A. I mean, if fans are overly

738
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: concerned that Oldell Beckham is going anywhere, I would not

739
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: get to that point because there are other options even

740
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: in the event that a contract doesn't get hammered out.

741
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: But I think you know, from the giants perspective, from

742
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham's perspective, the more and more guys that you

743
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: brought up, and Stefan Diggs is one of them that

744
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: continues to get contracts. You know, Oldell Beckham obviously is

745
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: the next guy up, and and he and his is reps.

746
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, maybe of the mindset, we'd rather see how

747
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: the market plays out. We'd like to see what everybody

748
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: else gets. So therefore we can come to the negotiating

749
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: table with something that we feel incorporates where beckham status

750
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: is compared to the rest of the wide receivers. So

751
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you remember it takes two to tango. The team as

752
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: well as Beckham's reps need to want to come midway

753
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: at the table to hammer out a deal. I think

754
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: that's important to note. Great and you know, you guys

755
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: have any idea of what his numbers might be for

756
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: that contract? Well, I mean, once again, I think that's

757
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: an extreme guessing game. Certainly, I'm sure, as I always

758
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: say this with the quarterback situation, t if you're the

759
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: quarterback that is, do a contract. If you're Iroon Rodgers,

760
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: all you do is you look at the guy that

761
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: just got the deal before you. So if you're Odell Beckham, yeah,

762
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: you're looking at what Stefon Diggs got. You're also looking

763
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: at what Jarvis Landry got. You looking at what Antonio

764
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: Brown got, You're looking at all players Julio Jones, and

765
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna probably use that as their barometer and starting

766
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: point and bolts as will go back and forth. So

767
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: understand this. John Marra already last week at his press

768
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: conference said we pretty much think we've got a pretty

769
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: good idea as to what kind of number it's going

770
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: to take. I mean, it doesn't It doesn't require a

771
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of smarts to look at potentially the top three,

772
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: four five receivers in the league and say the number

773
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be somewhere with on that that continent, if

774
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: you will. Yeah, no, absolutely, that's just the way it is.

775
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: That's how every position grade and contract works. Right. And

776
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: last question for you guys, who has the best watcher

777
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: Stephen Core in the NFL? Right now? With the Browns

778
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: new group, the Giants group looks good, but who do

779
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: you guys think it is. That's a good question, and

780
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: we'll let you go on that note. T The Browns,

781
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: I would say a few weeks ago look good on paper.

782
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: The problem is Josh Gordon's not in camp. He's still

783
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: dealing with, you know, some off the field issues, and

784
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Ricardo Lewis got injured, so I don't know if Cleveland

785
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: this is appealing as it was a few weeks ago.

786
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I necessarily put them in the position,

787
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: because to me, it's on paper as well as perhaps production,

788
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: that to me is a big part of it. See,

789
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: I think the question needs to be clarified. Are you

790
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: strictly talking about the wide receiving core or are you

791
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: talking about the targets the receivers in a more generic sense,

792
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: because if you open this thing up to targets, well,

793
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: you know what, Evan Ingram is gonna help the giants

794
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: out in the rankings, and say Kwan Barkley is going

795
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: to help the giants out in the rankings. So all

796
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, if it's just involving the skill positions,

797
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: instead of saying the wide receivers, uh, the giants are

798
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna be in the top three, I would think, well,

799
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: I would operate more on And this is my interpretation

800
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: of what he brought up, was more of just the

801
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver position. That's different Store talk about the tight

802
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: ends and totally different. If you're if you're going in

803
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: your direction, that's more of the receiving game as opposed

804
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: to the receiving core. So I would say, if you

805
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: look at it just through the lens of wide receivers,

806
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: the Giants I think are in the conversation. I don't

807
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: know if I would put them the best the top

808
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: the list, because you know, aside from Beckham and Shepherd,

809
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of show me time in

810
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the rest of this group. I mean, Roger Lewis has

811
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: been around, he's been progressing. Cody Latimer just joined the

812
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: team but has mainly been a special teamer in Denver.

813
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: You probably put the Giants on the top ten. Yeah,

814
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't know, Yeah, because we

815
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: really don't even look Shermer hasn't even identified who three,

816
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: four and five are yet. That's fair. I would not

817
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: necessarily disagree with that. I think the Vikings deserve some

818
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: consideration without question. Adam Feeling Stefon Diggs have been two

819
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: of the most consistent wide receivers in the league. And

820
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, even if you go back with their complimentary pieces,

821
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Laquon Treadwell still has improving to do. Tavarus King, they

822
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: added the former Giant, who has been a very valuable

823
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: player no matter where he's gone. So you know that

824
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: would be one of the teams that comes to mind, Atlanta,

825
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, Julio Jones, Justin Hardy. On paper, it looks good,

826
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: but still a lot of youth. I would not put

827
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: them ahead of Minnesota. I'm just looking over the NFL

828
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: here out loud. On the Chargers, I think are another

829
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: good team. Keenan Allen, Tyrell Williams, would Travis Benjamin. That's

830
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: a team I think deserves some consideration. How about the Raiders?

831
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: Starts with Cooper and Mary has been up at down

832
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: but Jordy Nelson, they added, That's why I bring up

833
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: the Raider, so you know that that's another team. And

834
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I here's I was gonna say, Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay

835
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: is another one, Mike Evans, the Shawan Jackson. Actually, tamp

836
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Bay is a really good one, Paul, you can't forget that.

837
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: And Tampa Bay, by the way, has a number of

838
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: intriguing young guys. By the way, in the mix, it's

839
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: interesting you brought up Chris Godwin, Adam Humphries. You know

840
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: these are like your three and four, But these these

841
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: guys could very well start on some other teams, even

842
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: move up the ladder. And I like somebody the young

843
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: guys Justin Watson I watched very closely from covering the

844
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: IVY League out a pen would not surprise me if

845
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: he makes the team one of the best IVY League

846
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: receivers all time. So they've got a lot of depth.

847
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: That's actually a really good team. The other team that

848
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: I was going to throw out, Paul, that I think

849
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: is an under the radar is Jacksonville because if you

850
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: go by name, Jacksonville is not appealing. But if you

851
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: go by production, Jacksonville has got a number of gems

852
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: in that department, even with losing Alan Hernes and Allen

853
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: Robinson by the way. And then again, part of this

854
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: question involves the quarterback who's throwing and get to them

855
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 1: reflection of the game. We all know, you know, Blake

856
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: Bortles is much maligned regardless of how many games he

857
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: won last year. There are those who still will shake

858
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: their heads at him. That's certainly a part of it.

859
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: And and that and that, that part of the equation

860
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: is almost like, you know, how do you define the

861
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: wide receiving corps. If they've got necessary, you know, a

862
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: better quarterback with them or substandard quarterback with them, it

863
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: does have somewhat of an impact by the way, Jacksonville,

864
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: who I was referencing, Ellen Cole, Mark Easley, and D. D. Westbrook.

865
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Those three guys. Lee has been in the league for

866
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: a few years. He's been banged up. Cole and D. D.

867
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: Westbrook are extremely young. So those are two guys. Keep

868
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: close tabs on them. I think the Jacksonville passing game

869
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: is extremely underrated based on the personnel. All right, let's

870
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Dave is in Cranford. Dave,

871
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: what's happening Lance. It's great to talk to you. It's

872
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: one of the few guys covering the team that doesn't

873
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: have to wear a hat when you're right on the field. Yes,

874
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: that that is a rare advantage for me. I don't

875
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: get the pluses in the hype category, but when it

876
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: comes to the hat, I will. I will give you

877
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: credit for that, Dave. I appreciate you looking out for

878
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: some of the small features that I don't necessarily. Yes,

879
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: but but he he, he was referencing. It was more

880
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: of a John Schmolke shot. Okay, it's more of what

881
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: what we're working with on the top. But that's also

882
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: because of stress. No, but I will give you this.

883
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: You're still in a completely different ballpark from Schmilk. Okay,

884
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: So so whenever we take shots at John Schmolke, I

885
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: will not shy away from that here, and I will

886
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: know that that was that was a very astute observation.

887
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: Feeds feeds correct. So you have a step on Figs

888
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: and Milk. Okay, we're going through the rankings here, Yes,

889
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: exactly right. You're holding on Paul like the rest of us. Um.

890
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: You know, I know this maybe like a completely out

891
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: of left field question, but I was wondering, Paul and Lance,

892
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: if either of you have thought about this, um, how

893
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: the Giants are going to situate Who's going to be

894
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: up in the booth? You know, when it comes to

895
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, with with Shermer mainly playing the call, you know,

896
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 1: calling the players, do you see you know, Shula being

897
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: up in the booth or do you see him on

898
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: the sideline. Because they have a smaller coaching staff, which

899
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: by the way, is very similar to what the Patriots do. UM,

900
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: so that's not a bigger deal. But you know, they

901
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback coach, so they don't they have

902
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: a less body you know that they can just throw

903
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: up there. And you thought about how that's gonna playoff

904
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: because I look at it and I said, hey, the

905
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: running back, the tight end, the wide receiver. Typically those

906
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: guys are on the sideline at the game. Who's who's

907
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Shermer talking to? That has not been discussed yet, and

908
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: if it has, it's been behind closed doors, because I

909
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: have not heard any public proclamation as to what the

910
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Giants planned to do. I think it's a it's a

911
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: great question. I'm trying to recall, Paul, you and I

912
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: spoke to Brad Children's, who I thought provided tremendous amount

913
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: of inside This goes back to right as Pat Shermer

914
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: was hired, and we talked a lot about the conversations

915
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: the structure of the offense, the play calling, and Shermer

916
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: sort of like to do both even though Children is

917
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: on staff. But you know what we didn't get into,

918
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: which is interesting that Dave brought that up, is about

919
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: the dynamics during a game and when you're the head

920
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: coach and the offensive guru, you know, do you prefer

921
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: to have the other guy up top to give you

922
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: a different perspective or would you rather him be down

923
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: on the sideline near you to consult in between possessions.

924
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: I will say this, I remember seeing a lot of

925
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: photographs and film of Coach Shula on the sideline. I'm

926
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna say that too. I agree, I do remember seeing

927
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: him on the sideline. Now, you're right that maybe his

928
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: preference or maybe it was Rivera's preference that she will

929
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: be down there. Whatever Coach Shermer wants to do is

930
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: what the giants are going to do. But that's about

931
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: the only hint that I could come up with. Okay,

932
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: the other question was just you know, um a guy

933
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: that gets under the radar, Shane Smith and kind of

934
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: the whole role of the fullback if you look at it,

935
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: was very fascinating last year. One of the things that

936
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: I really liked about Sherman and looking at his vikings offense,

937
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: was the importance he put on protection. He literally had

938
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: times where he would put the three tight ends um

939
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: on on the line, two receivers and still throw the

940
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: ball with a with an eight man protection and it

941
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, And if you think about it, it makes

942
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: a ton of sense of saying, hey, I can either

943
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: run four guys out there and try to beat you know,

944
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: the secondarybody, overwhelming them with numbers or I can go

945
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: to the other route, which you can drop my quarterback

946
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: seven or eight steps, give give two receivers thank of

947
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: Shepard and Beckham running across the defense. So part of

948
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: me wonders about Shane Smith, both in the run game

949
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: but also in the past protection love to hear you

950
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: guys thought about what type of camp he's happened, and

951
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: then I'll let you guys go. Thanks so much for

952
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: taking a call. You got to Dave, Thanks for the

953
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: phone call. You know, it's interesting he brought that up.

954
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about Carolina, for example, Lessson. Then we'll

955
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: get more into Shane Smith. I wonder from Shula's perspective,

956
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: and this would be a better question obviously for him

957
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: to answer next time he speaks to the media. When

958
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: Carolina traded away Kelvin Benjamin Paul, if you recall early Less,

959
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: he's into Buffalo, they didn't have a very deep receiving corps,

960
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: and I wonder because of that, did he utilize some

961
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: additional tight ends. I mean they had ed Dixon, greg

962
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: Olsen then came back from injury, and he just felt,

963
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: you know what, because of our resources, similar to like

964
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: when the Giants were in a position where it was

965
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: an anger you were like, hey, he's got to line

966
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: up as a wide receiver because we got nobody else

967
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: at this point. I wonder if that was part of it,

968
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to, hey, this is our philosophy, this is

969
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: why we want the additional tight ends on the field. Uh,

970
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: just something to think about. I will say this, nobody

971
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: has gotten either Craig Johnson, the running backs coach O C.

972
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: Mike Shula, or head coach Pat Shermer to commit to

973
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: protecting a fullback on the fifty three. I've yet to

974
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: hear anybody say, yes, we want to full back on

975
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: the fifty three. In fact, I believe both Dave Gettleman

976
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: and Shermer have said we're going to keep the best

977
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: fifty three regardless of position. I believe they've actually said

978
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: that one occasion. And if that means no fullback, then

979
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: it means no fullback. Now, Shane Smith, we know he's

980
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: played in this league before. He can do some things.

981
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: He has lined up a number of times as an

982
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: h back out of practice, you know, not as the

983
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: pure fullback. UM. I will say that in talking to

984
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Ellison and also coach Johnson about Blackley, who did not

985
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: have a fullback at Penn State. They told me both

986
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: they thought that if he were to run behind a fullback,

987
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: it would not be a problem at all, that he

988
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: could make that adjustment with with very little problems. Um,

989
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: but again, nobody's committing to the Giants having a fullback

990
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: on their fifty three. I want to make that clear.

991
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's known right now. I

992
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: really don't. Yeah, I do think it's somewhat of a

993
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: guessing game. And if they do know, they're keeping it closer, right,

994
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: They're not revealing it. But if you look at once

995
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: again history, which is what the last color Dave was

996
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: alluding to, Shermer and the Vikings utilized Rett Ellison as

997
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: a fullback. I mean he led the way for Adrian Peterson.

998
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: I know that a few years prior, so not necessarily

999
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: tied into Pat Sherman, but he's got experienced there. And

1000
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: then if you go back to Carolina, Carolina utilized with

1001
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. They would also have a

1002
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: fullback end more often than not, and they would utilize

1003
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: some different running backs in that position. I know the

1004
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: name escapes me. He went to Buffalo recently. He was

1005
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: that bigger back that Carolina had for some reason. The

1006
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: name is at the tip of my tongue and I

1007
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: can't think of it. He was sort of a pseudo

1008
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: running backlash fullback, you know what I'm talking about. I

1009
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: know he went to Buffalo, and I'm not exactly sure

1010
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: if he's still with the Bills or he's elsewhere. I

1011
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: know because they have now Patrick DeMarco on their roster.

1012
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: He was with the Atlanta Falcons, but he was more

1013
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: of a typical fullback. But Carolina had Mike something. The

1014
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: name will I know eventually come to me. He was

1015
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: a Panther's running back, and that's the name, Mike Tilberts.

1016
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: Rounded there we go, Tilbert. Mike Tilbert. Tilbert was a

1017
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: guy that would be in Carolina. He'd line up as

1018
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: a fullback to block away for Stewart and Williams, and

1019
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, when they got hurt, he'd actually

1020
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: become a running back. So could Shane Smith, you know,

1021
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: serve as that type of a guy. It's it's possible.

1022
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna rule it out. I also personally think

1023
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: the Giants have a little bit more depth at running

1024
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: back that they wouldn't ask him to be a runner.

1025
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: I think, if anything, he'd just be a blocker. I

1026
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: don't think that's likely either. You know, it may come

1027
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: down to I hate to say this again, it may

1028
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: come down to Smith battling whoever the extra tight end

1029
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: might be. Again in terms of roster spots. Yeah, you know,

1030
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be fighting for the full back position.

1031
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: He just could be fighting against the tight end. That's

1032
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: very fair. Depending on what they see out of these

1033
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: young tight ends behind red Ellison, maybe they choose to go, hey,

1034
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Rhett is valuable, Shane Smith is valuable, and then we'll

1035
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: keep to other just typical tight ends. They could go

1036
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: in that direction as well. I will say this, Darrell

1037
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: Adams has had a pretty good start to camp, you know,

1038
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: and he's gonna gifferent. He's going to give them something

1039
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: to think about because this is a show me year

1040
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: for him. Third year. Now you gotta break out. And interestingly,

1041
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Carter, who was with the team the entire offseason

1042
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: program's gone and he's another one who had ties to

1043
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer. So that to me has sort of opened

1044
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: the door. Because I will be honest with you, Paul

1045
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm thinking Ellison Carter, they know the offense,

1046
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: they have familiarity with Shermer. You would think they'd have

1047
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: a leg up. Now, all of a sudden, Carter gets

1048
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: cut as a result of a roster move that could

1049
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: very well open the door for a guy like Darrell Adams.

1050
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: And Adams is a name that we talked about earlier

1051
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: this offseason, if you recall, was not drafted by the

1052
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: current regime, has no ties to the coaching staff. So

1053
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: it showed me time for him to try to lock

1054
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: down a roster's not of doubt, wide open behind Red

1055
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: Ellison and Evan Ingram at this tight end position, I

1056
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: think there there's a lot of intrigue in terms of

1057
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: what this group is gonna showcase during the course of

1058
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Speaker 1: training camp. So that is something to watch. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: the fullback position, it was even a mystery last season

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Speaker 1: when it was brought up, and I don't think that

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Speaker 1: storyline or that narrative has been dismissed. Then you understand

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Speaker 1: that at this point the coaches don't want to necessarily

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Speaker 1: give away everything. But I believe and Paul, you just

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00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: brought this up. You were the one that has read

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Speaker 1: Ellis in that question the other day right at the

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Speaker 1: presser about say Kwan Barkley how he would fare running

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Speaker 1: with a fullback in front of him. I remember that,

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Speaker 1: and Ellison seemed to be confident. I mean he hasn't

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Speaker 1: yet to see it consistently on the practice field, but

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Speaker 1: just the way that se Kwan Barkley moves in his

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00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: decision making, his decisiveness, he felt that whether a fullbacks

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Speaker 1: in front of him or not, he doesn't necessarily think

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Speaker 1: that's going to be an issue. He will make the

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Speaker 1: appropriate reads. I think they're pretty confident about that. And

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Speaker 1: that's also what Craig Johnson added, because right Johnson said,

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Speaker 1: a lot of teaching a running back is too not

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: overthink things. Once you get to the second layer of

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00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: the defense, you see the whole. Stick with the whole,

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Speaker 1: because the minute you start fighting for the extra yardage

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Speaker 1: or you start dancing is when you get in trouble

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Speaker 1: and then a positive play all of a sudden becomes

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Speaker 1: a loss of two to three yards. So that's what

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00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: he's really been focusing on with c Kwan Barkley. Be decisive,

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Speaker 1: you find the whole, go to it, don't go about

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00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: about finding the home run. Because and and running back

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: coaches have said this time and time again. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's become a big cliche to the fans.

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Speaker 1: You know, be patient because you get the two three

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Speaker 1: yard games, Paul, and then all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: fifteen yard game is gonna come. And that seems to

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Speaker 1: be the consistent philosophy for most running back coaches. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me the biggest question about se Kwon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: aside from the exotic protections he's going to have to

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Speaker 1: be able to execute, It's going to be how much

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Speaker 1: do the Giants play him during the preseason? Because if

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Speaker 1: he gets I don't know, eight carries over the four

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Speaker 1: preseason games, is he really ready to maybe have twenty

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Speaker 1: touches against Jacksonville? Is he ready for that? If he

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Speaker 1: only touches the ball again, let's go touches, Let's not

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Speaker 1: go carries with him. He's a weapon. He's not a

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Speaker 1: running back. He's a weapon. How many touches do you

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Speaker 1: want to give him in the preseason? Do you want

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Speaker 1: to give him twenty over the four games? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that enough so that when the Jaguars come to

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Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium he can be one of the focal points

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Speaker 1: of the offense. Or do you just say, as Shawn

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Speaker 1: O'Hara has suggested, you start Steward in that first game

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Speaker 1: and maybe you Wean Blanckley in maybe the first two

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Speaker 1: or three games he only touches the ball twelve to

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Speaker 1: fifteen times. I don't know. I mean I would look,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know. I'd look to try to get

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Speaker 1: Barkley a little bit more than five touches per preseason game,

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Speaker 1: and I think you want to see a little bit

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Speaker 1: more out of him. Okay, I mean I remember Alvic

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Camera getting some significant work last preseason. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a question the Giants as a staff have to answer,

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Speaker 1: how many touches does he get in the preseason? Because

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Speaker 1: you all know, every one of you out there knows

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Speaker 1: that if Quan Barkley gets hurt during a preseason game,

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Speaker 1: there will be those who are going to scream from

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Speaker 1: the top of the Empire State Building, why was he

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Speaker 1: in there getting hurt in a preseason game. It's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. The reason why I hate those arguments is

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00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: because it's a foolish argument, because ridiculous to get ready,

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Speaker 1: and the reason why it's also ridiculous criticism. If it

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Speaker 1: happens in week one, what's the difference. The only difference

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Speaker 1: is because it's a regular season whatever a preseason game

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Speaker 1: with futuris are going to happen. I'm with you, how

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Speaker 1: much does he have to touch the ball to be

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Speaker 1: ready for opening Day? Understanding that maybe your thoughts about

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Speaker 1: how much he's going to play against Jacksonville is different

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Speaker 1: than what the Giants think. Well, I mean, listen, only

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff if I think has a good number

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Speaker 1: in their head. If it was me, though, I'm giving

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Speaker 1: you my personal opinion. Like I said, I'd want to

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Speaker 1: give him probably on offense, I'd want to give him

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Speaker 1: about maybe seven to eight touches seven to eight touches

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Speaker 1: on offense, and then the four games that's thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, yeah, that's what I'm looking at. And then

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Speaker 1: but here's the here's the other thing. I also want

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Speaker 1: to give him opportunities in the return game on special

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Speaker 1: that I I would like to see. I would not

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Speaker 1: be against one or two opportunities I get, but I

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Speaker 1: would not be against doing that. And then if you

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Speaker 1: do that, how many touches against Jacksonville? If you give

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Speaker 1: him thirty two touches during the preseason. Does he get

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Speaker 1: twenty five against the Jaguars, Yeah, I mean he's ready. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're ready, you're gonna tell me that against Jacksonville. It's

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Speaker 1: a stretch to say he could get fifteen carries in

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Speaker 1: five targets. In terms of reception, I've been saying between

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Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty. I think that is what he should

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01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: get now to be ready to do that. Does he

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Speaker 1: need thirty touches or so in the preseason to be

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Speaker 1: that prepared for Jacksonville and to take on that particular assignment,

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Speaker 1: or does he need a total of fifteen touches over

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Speaker 1: four games to carry that kind of workload. I meant

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Speaker 1: I would always lean towards more. I don't see how

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Speaker 1: more opportunity is gonna hurt a player. If anything, I

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: think it's gonna help a player. So if you were

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Speaker 1: to give me the choice between give him thirty touches

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Speaker 1: versus given fifteen, I would certainly lead towards thirty, much

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Speaker 1: closer to thirty, because I would want a rookie player,

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Speaker 1: no matter how talented he is, to get as many

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Speaker 1: opportunities in game situations as possible before he sheds the

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Speaker 1: dress rehearsal routine and suits up for real. My my

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Speaker 1: gut feeling right now, gut feeling is about twenty five

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Speaker 1: touches for the preseason. But that's closer to which is

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Speaker 1: closer to your number, which is where I don't be.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea the Giants that the staff has

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Speaker 1: not discussed that yet, but my gut feeling i'd be

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Speaker 1: okay with about Yeah, I'm with you there. Before we

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Speaker 1: wrap up, I just want to get to one or

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Speaker 1: two quick tweets and then we will close up shop

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Speaker 1: for those of you who may not have been able

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Speaker 1: to get to the phones at Chris Cosmo two oh one.

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Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about the cornerback position? Can

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Speaker 1: we find room to sign a free agent? But we

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Speaker 1: touched on that a little bit earlier in the program, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Whereas the waiver wire claims goes based on draft order

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Speaker 1: at this point, so the Giants are in a good

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Speaker 1: position if they did want to claim a guy that

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Speaker 1: is a veteran who's cut from another team. But I

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Speaker 1: still think there's volume here, Paul. Right now as it

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01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: sits in camp, it may not be a lot of

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01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: proven commodities. But I don't think the Giants are in

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01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: the mindset where we're in a hurry to get another guy.

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Speaker 1: They still want to evaluate what's currently in house here.

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Speaker 1: Evaluation is one thing, but having the radar on is another.

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Speaker 1: And I think the radar is on. Oh, just like

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Speaker 1: they picked up Connor Barwin. That would be an example

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: because Dave Gentleman said he's always looking to give Pat

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Speaker 1: Shermer another option or two. So I don't think necessarily

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Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. At Freddie j underscored twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Moving to a three or four defense will benefit o V.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have at least twelve sacks this year, according

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Speaker 1: to Freddy, had one season where he had double digits

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Speaker 1: ax by the Giants think so. So he's on board

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Speaker 1: with the staff absolutely. And then one last comment A

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Speaker 1: J at A J. Marshall three, he's excited about the

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Speaker 1: linebacker corps on paper, a lot of depth. In his opinion,

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Speaker 1: linebacker is a strength on defense this season, Well, it

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Speaker 1: got a lot stronger when Connor Barwin walked in to

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Speaker 1: the room. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, him,

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Speaker 1: alec Ogletree, B J. Goodson, those three guys stay healthy,

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Speaker 1: you get a good mix between the middle and the outside.

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Speaker 1: And then also if Lorenzo Carter emerges, yea, you could

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Speaker 1: be looking at some nice options there, kar Martin. Martin

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Speaker 1: is on the technically calling Ova linebacker even though you're

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Speaker 1: not wrong for doing that. Yeah you can. He's a

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Speaker 1: stand up defensive end to me. But they're technically calling

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Speaker 1: him a linebacker. So yeah, that room is is a

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Speaker 1: lot better than it was at the end of the

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Speaker 1: last season. Absolutely, all right, great stuff, great phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the interaction. Big Blue Kickoff live up and running

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Speaker 1: again on Wednesday, one pm Eastern. That is our new

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Speaker 1: time during the course of training camp, so stay locked

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Speaker 1: to giants dot com for all the latest with respect

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Speaker 1: to the ins and outs of camp. For Paul Datino,

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday right

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