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Speaker 1: We've got three big stories were following today. Number one,

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Speaker 1: very simple. Did people in the Obama administration were they

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Speaker 1: seeking surveillance against Donald Trump? An opposition political opponent in

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Speaker 1: showing of any crime, just evidence amounting to quote probable cause,

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Speaker 1: a much lower standard. That the target of the wire

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Speaker 1: tap is an agent of a foreign power. Foreign power

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Speaker 1: can be another country or a foreign terrorist organization. And

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Speaker 1: he points out the reason for the wall theory was absurd,

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Speaker 1: that was that a rogue agent. The reason the wall

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Speaker 1: theory was absurd was that a rogue agent would surely

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Speaker 1: manufacture evidence of a crime before he'd manufacture a national

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Speaker 1: security angle, which he's right, what comes first the chicken

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Speaker 1: of the egg and the process of getting a traditional

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Speaker 1: wire tap is straightforward. At BI Criminal Division agents and

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Speaker 1: a district attorney of the United States right, a supporting Affidavid.

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Speaker 1: It gets approved by the district attorney UH attorney supervisors,

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Speaker 1: then submitted to the Justice Department Electronic Surveillance Unit, and

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Speaker 1: that unit's approval, the Attorney General's designate signs off, and

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Speaker 1: then at that point the district attorney U S Attorney

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Speaker 1: and the FBI present the application to a district judge.

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Speaker 1: Fis a wire taps. By contrast, they go through a

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Speaker 1: completely different, more difficult remote chain of command. In it,

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Speaker 1: you have, for example, you have the FBI Criminal Division

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Speaker 1: Division agents, a district assistant U S Attorney Okay, FBI

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Speaker 1: Criminal Division agents start the investigation, get cut out of

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Speaker 1: the process, taken over by the main Justice Department's National

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Speaker 1: Security Division and the FBI's National security agents. In other words,

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Speaker 1: if we assume an agent is inclined to be rogue,

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Speaker 1: it would be far easier and less likely of detection

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Speaker 1: to trump up an evidence of a crime in order

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Speaker 1: to satisfy probable cause standard for a traditional wire tap.

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Speaker 1: Then to manufacture a national security threat in order to

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Speaker 1: get the FISA wire tap, No, no rational rogue would

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Speaker 1: do it. And he says, all right, look at look

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Speaker 1: at this case to claim that the Obama Justice Department

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Speaker 1: and the FBI sought FISA warrants against Trump insiders and

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Speaker 1: potentially against Donald Trump himself during the last months and

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Speaker 1: weeks of a presidential campaign. And he says, this is

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Speaker 1: a particular interest, this revelation in light of the last

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Speaker 1: media's fall media consternation over Banana republic tactics used by

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Speaker 1: political adversaries, triggered by Trump's vow to a point of

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Speaker 1: special prosecutor to investigate the felonies of criminal Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: I'm using the word felony here. Do you understand what

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Speaker 1: this means. Agents do not ordinarily draw fiser requests around

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Speaker 1: possible crimes. Possible crimes prompt applications for regular criminal y

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Speaker 1: are taps, because the objective is to prosecute any such

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Speaker 1: crime in court. And so you know the fiser request.

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Speaker 1: He quotes the heat Street report sources say name Trump

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Speaker 1: that was denied back in June, and he reports that

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Speaker 1: The second was drawn more narrowly and was granted in

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Speaker 1: October in the lead up to this election, after evidence

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Speaker 1: was presented of a server possibly related to the Trump

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Speaker 1: campaign and it's alleged links to two banks, SVB Bank

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Speaker 1: and Russia's Alpha Bank, which has ties to Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 1: The time story speaks of metadata. Sources suggest the Fiser

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Speaker 1: warrant was granted to look at the full content of

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Speaker 1: emails and other related documents that may concern US persons. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a citizen, lawful, permanent resident alien and would not

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Speaker 1: normally be subjected to searches or electronic eavesdropping apps and

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Speaker 1: probable cause. The exception is the FISA Court. That's why

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Speaker 1: they went the Fizer route. We haven't seen the affidat

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Speaker 1: it yet. We don't know exactly what they're putting in here,

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Speaker 1: but that then gives us the timeline. They were denied

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Speaker 1: in June because it was directed at Trump then, and

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Speaker 1: they went back with a more limited request in in

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Speaker 1: October in the lead up to the election. And around

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Speaker 1: October when the Fiser request went in, James Clackard had

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Speaker 1: to tell the President. The dump n s A director

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Speaker 1: Mike Rogers a week after the election, Rodgers when it

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Speaker 1: made a trip over the Trump Tower without telling is

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Speaker 1: without telling Clapper, which now means what did he tell Trump?

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Speaker 1: And according to the Executive Order Rule the changes that

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Speaker 1: the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper signed off on

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Speaker 1: December fift he signed off on this, that would mean

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Speaker 1: he lied yesterday or he parsed his words. Notice, he

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Speaker 1: put a lot of caveats in that statement, and it

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Speaker 1: was well planned out, So did they. I want to

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Speaker 1: know was there a FISER court request in June? And

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Speaker 1: if so, why, if there was one in October? If so, why?

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Speaker 1: And I want to know what every Obama official new

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Speaker 1: and when they knew it. And if they can tap

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Speaker 1: eavesdrop on Donald Trump, they can and people around him,

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Speaker 1: and they can circumvent the normal process of getting eavesdropping

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Speaker 1: permission a wire tap, and use FISA as an excuse

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Speaker 1: to get it. That I am telling you, we're all done,

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Speaker 1: because that means that there's no privacy that exists for

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Speaker 1: anybody in this country at all. And if this happened

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Speaker 1: a sitting president surveilling an opposition party candidate in the

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Speaker 1: weeks leading up to an election, if that doesn't if

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Speaker 1: that's not the story. Then, I don't know whatever will

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Speaker 1: be the story. Now, we're gonna get into all the

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Speaker 1: legal aspects. We've only begun to touch the surface here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into all of the legal aspects of this.

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Speaker 1: We've got Jay Sekulo and we've got our friend Joe

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Speaker 1: de Jennifer. But they're gonna be with us for the

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Speaker 1: full hour. This is too important not to examine every

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Speaker 1: single solitary aspect of this. John, It's not that stings.

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Speaker 1: You're missing something here. The President has put in place

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Speaker 1: an organization that contains the kind of database that no

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Speaker 1: one has ever seen before in life. That's going to

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Speaker 1: be very very powerful. And whoever in terms of the

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Speaker 1: organizing for America that he's now shifting to become a

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Speaker 1: FIB that's right, that's right, and that database will have

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Speaker 1: information about everything on every individual in ways that it's

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Speaker 1: never been done before. And whoever runs for president on

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Speaker 1: the Democratic ticket have to deal with that. They're going

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Speaker 1: to have to go down with that database and the

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Speaker 1: concerns of those people because they can't get around it.

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Speaker 1: And he's been very smart. I mean, it's very powerful

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Speaker 1: what he's leaving in place. This is the difference between

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Speaker 1: being correct and being right. I think the President was

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Speaker 1: not correct certainly in saying that President Obama ordered the

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Speaker 1: wire ordered a tap on a server in in Trump Tower. However,

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Speaker 1: I think he's right in that there was surveillance and

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Speaker 1: that it was conducted at the behest of um the

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Speaker 1: attorney of the Justice Department through the file And and

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Speaker 1: what do you base that on? Based that on news

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Speaker 1: reports that you mentioned in in in the last in

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Speaker 1: the last spot, I also based it on a kind

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Speaker 1: of inadvertent blurting out by Adam Schiff that his committee

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Speaker 1: wants to talk to the counter intelligence agents at the

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Speaker 1: FBI who were involved in this. And what that means

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Speaker 1: is that this is part not of a criminal investigation,

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Speaker 1: but of an intelligence gathering investigation. The FBI has got

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Speaker 1: two functions. They investigate crimes and they gather intelligence. They

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Speaker 1: started gathering intelligence and no aid based on guidelines that

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Speaker 1: we put in place. They tried to get apparently tried

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Speaker 1: to get a wire tap based on their criminal investigation

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Speaker 1: function in June. That was turned down. They then tried

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Speaker 1: to get and got a ah uh in order permitting

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Speaker 1: them to conduct electronic surveillance in October. This is October

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Speaker 1: of two sixteen, so that's when apparently that's when that's

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Speaker 1: when they Again, you're basing this on news reports as well,

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Speaker 1: and on and on and on, Adam. If if a

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Speaker 1: wire tap did exist, it would have to have been

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Speaker 1: approved by a FISA court based on real evidence. So

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Speaker 1: if there was a wire tap, doesn't mean there were

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Speaker 1: suspicious things going on between the Trump administration and the Russians.

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Speaker 1: It means there was some basis to believe that somebody

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Speaker 1: in Trump Tower may have been acting as an agent

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Speaker 1: of the Russians for whatever purpose, not necessarily the election,

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Speaker 1: but for some some purpose. And the FBI keeps track

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Speaker 1: of people who act as agents of foreign governments. They

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Speaker 1: keep track of people who act as agents to the Chinese,

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Speaker 1: the Russians, the Israelis, everybody, all right. Our three top

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Speaker 1: stories our two of the Sean Hannity Show. That was

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Speaker 1: Mike Mukasey, who of course worked under President George W. Bush,

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Speaker 1: and he's saying Trump was right, there was surveillance in

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Speaker 1: Trump Trump Tower at the behest of Loretta Lynch, and

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Speaker 1: he was right saying that Obama ordered the tap. That's

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Speaker 1: our one top story that we have the new executive order,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump signing an executive order banning travel from six

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Speaker 1: terror tied countries, and we're expecting the outline of the

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Speaker 1: reconciliation part of the repeal of Obamacare coming at any moment.

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Speaker 1: When that happens, we'll bring that to you live on

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Speaker 1: what is a busy newsday, joining us now Joe de Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: founding partner of the Jenneva and Tunsing Jay Seculo, chief

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Speaker 1: council for the American Center of Law and Justice. Uh guys,

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Speaker 1: I guess this comes down to one very very simple, basic,

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Speaker 1: fundamental question. The New York Times reported at, The Daily Mail,

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Speaker 1: reported at McClatchy reported it. All these news sources, liberal

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Speaker 1: as they are, had talked about the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration went to the FISA court was the night

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Speaker 1: in June or July, and then went back with a

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Speaker 1: revised limited request in October, and that it was received.

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Speaker 1: Can we confirm that, Joe de Jenova, do you know? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt based on the sourcing

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Speaker 1: for those stories, which is either senior government officials, law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officials, or intelligence community officials, that the stories are true.

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Speaker 1: And I consider it to be so, and it means

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Speaker 1: one thing. It means that probably in June there were

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Speaker 1: conducting a criminal investigation, and in all likelihood of Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort and people associated with him, they were denied a warrant,

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Speaker 1: either a criminal wire tap warrant under Title three or

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Speaker 1: a fis a warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

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Speaker 1: What's fascinating about this is they continue to do whatever

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Speaker 1: they're doing. They come back a few couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: before the election of a president and they get a

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Speaker 1: warrant to electronically surveil something, maybe a computer, maybe phones,

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Speaker 1: maybe emails. We don't know, something in the Trump campaign headquarters.

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Speaker 1: Now Comey is in charge of this. This is his baby.

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Speaker 1: Nobody in his right mind, given that we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about terrorism or a threat to national security, none of

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Speaker 1: this involved that. Nobody in his right mind allows a

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Speaker 1: wire tap or electronic surveillance that close to a national

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Speaker 1: election on the headquarters of the opponent of the in

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Speaker 1: power administration. I gotta tell you what I think. I

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Speaker 1: think James Comy needs to see a psychiatrist. I think

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Speaker 1: the man is out of control. I think it is

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Speaker 1: clear that in collusion with people in the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: like Sally Yates and others. He decided that he was

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Speaker 1: going to spread his wings and investigate something, which we

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Speaker 1: will find out later what it was. But this smells

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Speaker 1: and stinks, particularly because of all the leaks of classified information,

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Speaker 1: all of which our felonies. I assume, I hope that

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Speaker 1: I pray that Jeff Sessions, people who are now running

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Speaker 1: the place, Rod Rosenstein shortly are in paneling grand Juries

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Speaker 1: to look at this. This may be the takedown of

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Speaker 1: the FBI. This brings us back to Watergate. This is

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Speaker 1: l Patrick Gray territory. What a powerful statement. J Secular.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with all that? Now? I do, And

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Speaker 1: let me take it in the logical sequence you talked

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Speaker 1: about the timing of this, which is, you know, bizarre

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Speaker 1: to say the least. But let's assume that they did

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Speaker 1: again eventually get this warrant from the fires of Cords

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Speaker 1: to do some type of even if it was limited surveillance.

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Speaker 1: What Joe said, and I think what needs to be

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Speaker 1: underscored here for everybody that's listening. That means that the FBI,

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Speaker 1: under James Comby's direction, once again was intervening in a

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Speaker 1: presidential election now I don't care if you're a republic a, kin, Democrat,

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Speaker 1: or independent. Three times during this election he publicly made statements.

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Speaker 1: First it was there's no evidence against Hillary Clinton, then

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Speaker 1: there may be evidence against Hillary Clinton, and then she's

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Speaker 1: cleared of charges regating relating to this evidence against Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: He should have never done any of those. He should have,

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Speaker 1: as Joe just said in panel to grand Jury, to

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Speaker 1: investigate this. But that's not what they're doing. So I

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Speaker 1: think this is I think this is a head to

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Speaker 1: head conflict between James Comey and the president. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that James Comey, the FBI Director, challenged publicly the

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Speaker 1: administration by saying that the f BEHIND Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: should not do what the President asked, which is to

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Speaker 1: investigate this. I think that tells you the entire story. So,

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Speaker 1: whether there was an investigation of Paul Manaford, whether it

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Speaker 1: was somebody else, whether it was the Bank of Russia

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Speaker 1: that's located in in Trump Tower, you know what, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of irrelevant. What we do know is so far,

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Speaker 1: and and Senator Coon's was forced to say this by

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Speaker 1: our friend Chris Wallace on on Fox News Sunday, they

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Speaker 1: have no evidence of a link between inclusion between the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration and the Russian government, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Senator Coon said the exact opposite on the Friday before.

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Speaker 1: But I think this underscores the real problem here, Sean,

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Speaker 1: and that is an FBI's with Joe Singh out of control.

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Speaker 1: Now the President could declassify this information or as he's

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Speaker 1: decided to send it back to Congress, and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at Russia look at this too. And I think

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Speaker 1: you know at this point the country is you gonna

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Speaker 1: move forward on other issues. But I don't think we

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Speaker 1: should lose sight of the fact that I think you've

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Speaker 1: got a meddling FBI here, and that's very dangerous. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot of ground to cover. We're going to

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Speaker 1: continue for the hour with Jay Sekulo and Joe the Geneva.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to race through this one of our

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Speaker 1: top stories today. We have a new executive order, by

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Speaker 1: the way, by the President he signed banning travel from

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Speaker 1: six terror tied countries. This is round two. We are

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Speaker 1: expecting later today the outline of what the Obamacare repeal

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Speaker 1: and replace is going to look like, So we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that as well. Still not again, sets on the

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Speaker 1: air right now, all right, as we continue our three

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Speaker 1: top stories today, we expect the healthcare outline to come

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Speaker 1: down any moment. When it does, will bring that to

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Speaker 1: you or at least on Hannity tonight. The new executive

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Speaker 1: order by the President banning travel from six terror tied countries,

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Speaker 1: and of course this whole issue of wire tapping and FISA.

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Speaker 1: And we continue with Jay Sekulo and Joe degennomen Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to play for you both, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to rush through this in this hour

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Speaker 1: because number one, you guys are too smart. Number two,

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Speaker 1: there's too much at stake here. And number three, I

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Speaker 1: agree with both of you. This is of monumental proportions

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Speaker 1: here of what's going on. Now. We all know and

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Speaker 1: agree the crimes were committed by Hillary Clinton, and yet

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Speaker 1: he came amount with that statement. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: back in July he gives his thirteen four team in

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Speaker 1: a press conference, meaning James, comey, and I'm saying, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, he's laying out the case. He's gonna he's

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Speaker 1: gonna pull the lever, he's gonna do it. And then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden at the end he just but

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Speaker 1: never mind. I Meanwhile, we all know that what she

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Speaker 1: did was illegal. We know that she was circumventing congressional oversight.

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Speaker 1: We know that special access program intelligence and top secret

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Speaker 1: intelligence was on that computer. We've since discovered that at

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Speaker 1: least five foreign intelligence agencies had had been able to

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Speaker 1: tap into that server in a mom and pop shop

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Speaker 1: bathroom closet. So you're right, Jay, and saying that that

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Speaker 1: was politicized. Now, let me go back to the issue

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Speaker 1: of of what the president tweeted out this weekend and

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Speaker 1: James Clapper, the National Director of Intelligence, what he said.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with the president's tweets yesterday. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: idea that maybe President Obama ordered an illegal wire tap

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Speaker 1: of his offices. If something like that happened, would this

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Speaker 1: be something you would be aware of? I would certainly hope.

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Speaker 1: So I can say obviously I'm not. I can't speak

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Speaker 1: officially anymore, but I will say that for the part

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Speaker 1: of the National Security Apparatus that I oversaw as d

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Speaker 1: N I, there was no such wire tap activity mounted

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Speaker 1: against the president, the president elect at the time, or

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Speaker 1: as a candidate or against this campaign. I can't speak

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Speaker 1: for other Title three authorized entities in the government or

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Speaker 1: a state or local And I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 1: if the FBI, for instance, had as a court order

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Speaker 1: some sort for surveillance, would that be information you would

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Speaker 1: know or not? Now, yes, you would be told that

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Speaker 1: I would know that if there was a fight a

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Speaker 1: court order something like this, um, something like this. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And at this point you can't confirm or deny whether

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Speaker 1: that exists. I can deny it. There is no FSI

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Speaker 1: court order, not not to my knowledge of anything of

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Speaker 1: Trump Tower. Now, now the first thing you said, would

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Speaker 1: I would hope so that I would know, And then

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Speaker 1: it became he would have known if there was a

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Speaker 1: FISA court order. And if you pay very close attention

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Speaker 1: to Barack Obama's statement, you know they're very specific in

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Speaker 1: saying the cardinal rule of the Obama administration was no

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Speaker 1: White House official ever interfered with an independent investigation led

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Speaker 1: by the Department of Justice that was as part of

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Speaker 1: the practice. Neither the president nor any White House official

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Speaker 1: ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. They didn't order it.

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Speaker 1: Any suggestions that they ordered it is not true. Now,

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Speaker 1: it was very interesting. If you've gotten a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Twitter wars this weekend, and the former speechwriter for the

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Speaker 1: president was out there and on Twitter, and even he

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Speaker 1: was was couching that statement and trying to point out

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Speaker 1: the obvious, at least from my vantage point, which is

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Speaker 1: that you know John Farrue, and he said, I'd be

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Speaker 1: careful about reporting that Obama said there's no wire tapping.

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Speaker 1: The statement just said that neither he nor the White

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Speaker 1: House ordered it. That seems to be an acknowledgement that

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Speaker 1: it probably did happened. What's your take, job, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think what's interesting is what Clapper didn't say. He didn't

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Speaker 1: say there was no electronic surveillance. He said there was

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Speaker 1: no wire tapping. You can have a FISA for emails

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of other things, telephone numbers, the connections

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Speaker 1: and things like that. But he also said something that's

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Speaker 1: actually more important than all of this. He said, which

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Speaker 1: the presidents ignored, that they found no evidence of collusion

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Speaker 1: between Trump's people and the Russian government as a result

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Speaker 1: of their investigations. Now, how did he come to that

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Speaker 1: conclusion if there were no wire taps or no electronic surveillance.

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Speaker 1: The answer is, there was electronic surveillance, and Clapper knew it.

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Speaker 1: Remember he's lied before. Well, there was talk about data. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was, he was. There was questions about perjury charges

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Speaker 1: at the time about he lied about the megadata. Here's

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Speaker 1: here's one thing. Also, we have to remember the timing

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Speaker 1: of this request for wire taps or electronic surveillance, both

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Speaker 1: in June and October was at a time when the

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Speaker 1: Democrats thought they were going win the presidency and they

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Speaker 1: were going to take back the Senate. They were preparing

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Speaker 1: to hold hearing on Trump and everybody else after the election.

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Speaker 1: That's why this was all being done. And any any

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Speaker 1: statements by the former president President Obama about what he

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Speaker 1: did or didn't do, are incited to absolutely no belief whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way that there was a FISA court

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Speaker 1: approval without the president knowing? And doesn't that mean that

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Speaker 1: we have a if in fact that happened, Doesn't that

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Speaker 1: mean the president new as a sitting president that he

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Speaker 1: was getting information about an opposition party and spying on

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Speaker 1: an opposition party in the in the lead up to

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Speaker 1: an election. Well, this is exactly the problem. So the

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Speaker 1: president not ordering it not ordering meaning is not is

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Speaker 1: not is not the standard. The standard is could have

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Speaker 1: stopped it and would he be known about it? Well,

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Speaker 1: stop stop right, what do you mean he could have

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Speaker 1: stopped it if he found out about it. And let's

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Speaker 1: say he didn't order it. He finds out about it,

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Speaker 1: he says, what the hell are you doing this for?

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Speaker 1: Stop this right now, We're in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: presidential election. He didn't do it, right, So the fact

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Speaker 1: that he did or did not order it is irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: The question is didn't know about it? And General Mike

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Speaker 1: Hayden today said former of course, uh you know, National

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Speaker 1: Security director said there were times when they targeted high

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Speaker 1: intelligence targets that were politically sensitive, and they would of

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Speaker 1: course let the administration know that that was going to

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Speaker 1: happen because there'd be a political cost to doing that. Again,

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Speaker 1: whether he ordered it or not, Joe was right, he

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Speaker 1: could have stopped all right. I want you guys, been

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Speaker 1: impossible for the president not to know. When we get

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Speaker 1: back on the other side of this break, I want

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Speaker 1: to get into the legality, the laws that are broken,

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Speaker 1: and who potentially could be in jeopardy. Here. We'll continue

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Speaker 1: with Joe to Jennifer J. Seculo, and then we'll also

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Speaker 1: be asking them about Donald Trump's new executive order banning

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Speaker 1: travel from six terror tied countries were also awaiting the

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Speaker 1: Republican outline on the reconciliation repeal replace attempt. Will get

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Speaker 1: an outline of that tonight. That's all coming up straight ahead.

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Speaker 1: Holding them accountable. Sean gets the answers no one else does.

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Speaker 1: America deserves and know the truth about Congress. If a

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Speaker 1: wire tap did exist, it would have to have been

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Speaker 1: approved by a FISA court based on real evidence. So

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Speaker 1: if there was a wire tap doesn't mean there were

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Speaker 1: suspicious things going on between the Trump administration and the Russians.

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Speaker 1: It means there was some basis to believe that somebody

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Speaker 1: in Trump Tower may have been acting as an age

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Speaker 1: of the Russians for whatever purpose, not necessarily the election,

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Speaker 1: but for some some purpose. And the FBI keeps track

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Speaker 1: of people who act as agents of foreign governments. They

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Speaker 1: keep track of people who act as Asians to the Chinese,

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Speaker 1: the Russians, the Israelis, everybody. Let me start with the

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Speaker 1: president's tweets yesterday. Uh, this idea that may be President

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Speaker 1: Obama ordered an illegal wire tap of his offices. If

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Speaker 1: something like that happened, would this be something you would

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Speaker 1: be aware of? I would certainly hope. So I can say,

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Speaker 1: obviously I'm not I can't speak officially anymore, but I

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Speaker 1: will say that for the part of the National Security

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Speaker 1: Apparatus that I oversaw as d N, I there was

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Speaker 1: no such wire tap activity mounted against the president, the

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Speaker 1: president elect at the time, or as a candidate or

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Speaker 1: against his campaign. I can't speak for other Title three

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Speaker 1: authorized entities in the government or a state or local.

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Speaker 1: And I was just gonna say, if the FBI, for instance,

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Speaker 1: had if I's a court order some sort for surveillance,

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Speaker 1: would that be information you would know or not? Now

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Speaker 1: you would be told that if there was a fis

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Speaker 1: a court order something like this, um, something like this. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and at this point you can't confirm or deny whether

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Speaker 1: that exists. There is no FISI court order, not not

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Speaker 1: to my knowledge of anything. A Trump Tower, not to

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Speaker 1: my knowledge. I would hope I would know. And that

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Speaker 1: question was specifically only about the FBI, And we have

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Speaker 1: the full answers here now We're gonna get to that

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Speaker 1: and the President signing a new executive order banning travel

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Speaker 1: from six terror tied countries today. But our top story

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Speaker 1: is clearly what did Obama administration officials know about an

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Speaker 1: attempt to get a Fiser warrant against Donald Trump or

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Speaker 1: people close to Trump in October of this campaign, and

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Speaker 1: why did they attempt to do it in July? And

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Speaker 1: the Fiser Court does not have a strong track record

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Speaker 1: in rejecting these requests, but they rejected that one in

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Speaker 1: June and July. Joe de Jeneva, he is the founding

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Speaker 1: partner of the Geneva and un saying Jay said Lowd,

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Speaker 1: Chief Council for the American Center for Law and Justice.

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Speaker 1: You know, I I see, I hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: word parsing there, and I go back to what Obama

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Speaker 1: said in his statement, and you know, the Cardinal, no

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Speaker 1: White House official ever interfered with an independent investigation led

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Speaker 1: by the Department of Justice, and as part of that practice,

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Speaker 1: either the President or any White House official ever ordered

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Speaker 1: surveillance on any U S citizen. Any suggestion would be

858
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Speaker 1: otherwise false. What what laws are we talking about potentially

859
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Speaker 1: being broken here? Ja, And we'll start with you and

860
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Speaker 1: any of the public disclosures of confidential communication A ten USC.

861
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Speaker 1: Section six forty one, and others. Right, Yeah, so that's yeah,

862
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Speaker 1: this is this is these are felonies. So it is

863
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Speaker 1: the violation of the Espionage Act, and then you you

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Speaker 1: take it a step further, could be multiple counts of that.

865
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Speaker 1: So this is not just a one count incident. And

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm hopeful, as we said earlier, earlier, and

867
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Speaker 1: I hope that Joe is that the Department is doing

868
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Speaker 1: this because when I was with Treasury and when I

869
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Speaker 1: was working with Justice, and I know that's true for

870
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Speaker 1: Joe too, these were the kind of things that would

871
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Speaker 1: be investigated aggressively if this kind of disclosures were going on.

872
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: I I just know that it's been late to the

873
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Speaker 1: game for the Trump administration to get their people in place,

874
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Speaker 1: So I don't know the scope of where those investigations are.

875
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: But you're talking about violations of the Espionage Act. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, this wouldn't be the first time. And

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Speaker 1: Jason Chafitz, you know, was going to join us later

878
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: in the program today, I mean, he actually made a

879
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: good point, is that this would not be new for

880
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: the Obama administration because well, we know they used the

881
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Speaker 1: I R s to target Americans based on their political beliefs.

882
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: We know the Department of Justice's had surveillance on my

883
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Speaker 1: colleague Fox News reporter James Rosen, and last year dozens

884
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: of Secret Service agents were disciplined for leaking information about

885
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Chafits to a parent as apparent retribution for his investigation

886
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: of the agency. And we've had a series of leaks.

887
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Speaker 1: Now I want to specifically, Joe, ask you about this.

888
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: Let's take the case of General Flynn. Now we have

889
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: all discussed all these intelligent leaks that have taken place,

890
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: and in the case of General Flynn, well, here's a

891
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: guy that was was picked up on a monitor of

892
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: a Russian ambassador. And as part of the law, as

893
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: I understand it, once they once they recognize that an

894
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: American citizen that they don't have any right to surveil

895
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: is heard on that call, that they're supposed to minimize

896
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Speaker 1: the conversation in terms of what it is that they

897
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: actually listened to. And I spoke to a very high

898
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: ranking intelligence official last Friday who told me not only that,

899
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: but then at the heart of it, if they write

900
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Speaker 1: up a report, it's supposed to say an American, not

901
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: the name of the specific individual, and in this case,

902
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: they mentioned General Flynn, and they saved the whole conversation.

903
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: And then they leaked the whole conversation, and I was

904
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: told by this intelligence official that in his lifetime he'd

905
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: never seen this before and that this was also a

906
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Speaker 1: felony and a violation. Nobody seemed to care about poor

907
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Speaker 1: General Flynn, you know, being surveiled without a legal warrant

908
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Speaker 1: or a fis a warrant. Well, I don't think there's

909
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: any doubt that everything surrounding this entire affair from the

910
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: New York Times story in January before the inauguration saying

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00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: that there had been wire tap of the Trump organization.

912
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Remember the New York Times story said there were wire taps,

913
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: They used that word, and they're following up on that.

914
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: We now know as a result of criminal leaks to

915
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Speaker 1: the New York Times, the Washington Posts, and elsewhere in

916
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: the McClatchy papers, that there were other activities by the

917
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: FBI in conjunction with the Justice Department and senior Justice

918
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: Department officials to intrude themselves into the election by doing

919
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: national security surveillance. These issues are now so big I'm

920
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: not even sure that the Republicans who have oversight responsibility

921
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: on this on the Hill understand what they are grappling with.

922
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: This is, on its face, a major series of criminal

923
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: acts committed by government officials. This is a real simple process.

924
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: By the way you and panel a grand jury, you

925
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Speaker 1: slap subpoenas on everybody in that process, on that distribution,

926
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: lift of transcripts, phone call knowledge and vises, and you

927
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: put him in a grand jury and they can do

928
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: whatever they want. They can take the fifth. But we

929
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: are way beyond speculation about about whether or not something

930
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: needs to be done about this. Crimes have been committed

931
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Speaker 1: by senior government officials, and it needs to be investigated now,

932
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: not tomorrow, not by Capitol Hill, but by a federal

933
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: grand jury. I think of grand jury does need to

934
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: be impaneled. Would they be able to bring in somebody

935
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: from the outside to do this? Sure, Listen, there are

936
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: dozens of good people that they could make special counsel.

937
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: You waited for Rod Rosenstein. He's going to be confirmed.

938
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to hold him up. I mean,

939
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, the guy's superstar. He's a wonderful human being.

940
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: Of course that doesn't mean anything to Democrats anymore. But

941
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: we will have a deputy and he they're gonna have

942
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: to appoint somebody. In fact, that's probably why they're waiting.

943
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: They need to have somebody because, you know, unblemished. Well,

944
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to me, but Hillary got off

945
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: the hook, didn't she? Joel Hillary committed to Hillary committed

946
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch and because of Litretta Lynch and that goofy

947
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: meeting on the plane with Bill Bill Clinton, which by

948
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: the way, was not not accidental. That was planned three

949
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: days in advance, according to people at the Phoenix airport.

950
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: So in other words, it wasn't just, oh, I see

951
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: my good friend Lauretta's over there. Casual not a casual.

952
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: Not a casual meeting. All right, why can't we get

953
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: to the why can't we get a definitive answer? Even

954
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: though the New York Times set up, McClatchy said it,

955
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail set it, everyone else said it that

956
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: there were wire taps going on, Why can't we get

957
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: an uh an affirmation? Wouldn't wouldn't the Trump administration be

958
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: able to pull up request the president and he could

959
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: declassify it. Yeah, the president can de class I mean,

960
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: by the way, you don't just wave your hand in

961
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: a declassify. There's a declassification process. The president can do it.

962
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: The only one that could do it, but it could

963
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: raise a host of other issues. So it may or

964
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Speaker 1: may not be a situation where they wanted declassified for

965
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, intelligence gathering purposes. But Sean, you raised the

966
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: issue and Joe really hammered this. We've got to have

967
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: a lawyer in there in investigating this because at the

968
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: bottom of all of this is that these are leaks. So, yes,

969
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: are there violations of eighteen USC. Section seven ninety three,

970
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: the SPNA Jact. Yes, but why are there leaks? Who's

971
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: doing this? What shadow government's operating here, and why are

972
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: they being a Yeah, it is a shadow government once

973
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Chessington, and I'll tell you I think this was

974
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: a c change today and how General Sessions will be perceived.

975
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: I think this nonsense from last week was exactly that.

976
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: It was nonsense. You got Senator Coon's against saying, well,

977
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: there is no evidence of coclusion that we've seen after

978
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: he said there was. So now that the situation is

979
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: who is engaging in those leaks? And that's where a

980
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: prosecutor comes in, investigates this with a grand jury, and

981
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: you know what, you get indictments, You get some convictions,

982
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: and this stops well, you got them because because I agree,

983
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: because if you don't stop the leaks, it's gonna go

984
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: on forever. I mean, there's been seven months and not

985
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: a single shred of evidence about Russia. What about Obama's

986
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Fourteen days before Obama left the White House, he signs

987
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: the Executive Order twelve three three free, which allows you

988
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: know these sad communications and that for example, the n

989
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: s A would be involved and to be shared with

990
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: sixteen other agencies. Now, for whatever the reason, if he

991
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: didn't want this apply to himself, why would he then

992
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: leave it for his successor? And why would they want

993
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: to share it if not to maybe muddy the waters

994
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: and maybe make it more difficult to find who the

995
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: leakers are. Sure it was an absolute setup. I mean,

996
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: you've got the president went eight years with the same

997
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: rule that Ronald Reagan operated under, which is the when

998
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: the singing tell comes in, it's the n s A

999
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: will review the raw data and then determine what agency

1000
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: should get it. Seventeen days to go in his presidency,

1001
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: he has Lauretta Lynch sign off on in order that

1002
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: changes it going forward to include was it eighteen agencies

1003
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: that had our sixteen agencies? That had raw data access,

1004
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: which now the leak number increases exponentially, So sure this

1005
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: was You know, look the president, President Obamba is operating

1006
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: and he's look, he's operating. His own team still in

1007
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: play in large part. Now, I think that's going to

1008
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: change over. You think there's any chance that the former

1009
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: president could be indicted in this, Now, I'll let that

1010
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: to Joe. Joe decide that one. No, no, no, and

1011
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: that's not the object here. History will take care of him.

1012
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: The bottom line is they were senior Justice Department officials

1013
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: and people apparently inside the FBI who were willing to

1014
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: disclose classified information of the highest nature. We're talking about

1015
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: signals intelligence, and that to me is the worst type

1016
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: of criminal activity. For these government officials were entrusted with

1017
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: incredible power and intrusiveness into the private lives of people,

1018
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: and to disclose the contents of these intercepted phone calls,

1019
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: not to mention the phone calls that the president of

1020
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: the United States which were leaked involving foreign leaders. I

1021
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: don't know how in the world the Justice Department can

1022
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: avoid this. This is staggering stuff. I'm sitting here repeating

1023
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: this to you guys, and I'm saying to myself, who

1024
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: in the world cannot investigate this? This is this is unbelievable.

1025
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: What we gotta take a quick break here. When we

1026
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: come back, I want to while I've got you both

1027
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: on the phone, We've got to get into the president's

1028
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: new executive order. Today. We'll continue more with Jay Secular.

1029
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: Final Hour roundup is next. You do not want to

1030
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: miss it, and stay tuned for the final Hour Free

1031
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Forall on the Sean Hannity Show. Right as we continue,

1032
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: Jay Seculo and Joe did Jennifer are with us? Uh?

1033
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: We haven't had a lot of time to get into

1034
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: this because of all the news on FISA and the

1035
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: the back and forth that's been going on a weekend.

1036
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: But um, the President today signed a new executive order

1037
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: blocking a rival of travelers from six conflict prone countries

1038
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: for ninety days and freezing the inflow of refugees from

1039
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: any country for the next hundred and twenty days. Will

1040
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: this meet constitutional muster? Will if the Left goes judge

1041
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: shopping again? J Seculo? Will they be able to pull

1042
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: off what they did the last time? Well, they may

1043
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: be able to pull it off in California in the

1044
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: ninth Circuit. But let me and the a c. L U,

1045
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: by the way, is already threatening to do that. They've

1046
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: said that they're going to file a lawsuit and stop this.

1047
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: But let me let me tell you something. As a

1048
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: Supreme Court litigator, I want this case. I want this

1049
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: case badly. I think I could win this case unanimously

1050
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: because the order is bulletproof, and any areas that were questionable,

1051
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: and I said, the other order I was clearly willing

1052
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: to defend and would defend. But anything that challenges this one,

1053
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: this idea that this is a Muslim band, really fifty

1054
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: countries that are majority Muslim. This effects six and only

1055
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: for a period of time. So I think, Sean, what

1056
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: we've got here is the best situation. We had suggested

1057
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: some changes, those changes have been incorporated. It's bulletproof. I

1058
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: think the President's order and the way they rolled it

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01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: out today was perfect. With the head of DHF, with

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, with the Attorney General making the

1061
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: discussions talking about this, I think is exactly the way

1062
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: that should be handled. This is handled right, and the

1063
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: law here is on our side. We will win this.

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01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens in the ninth Circuit because

1065
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: they make up the law as it goes on their own.

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, we

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Speaker 1: win this. I think, first of all, the original order

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Speaker 1: by the President was in fact constitutional. The District Judge

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Speaker 1: and the Ninth Circuit were absolutely wrong. Their opinions were

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Speaker 1: a disgrace to the Article three of the Constitution. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The new order, from what I've seen, will clearly pass muster.

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Speaker 1: And let me just say this, I'm gonna make a prediction.

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Speaker 1: If the same judge District Judge rules that this one

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Speaker 1: has to be enjoined and the Ninth Circuit degrees, there

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Speaker 1: will be articles of impeachment against those judges in the

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Speaker 1: House of Representatives. Wow. What a powerful commentary, What a

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Speaker 1: what a day as it relates to the law. Are

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Speaker 1: you both convinced people be tried and convicted on the

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Speaker 1: felonies that we believe have committed here. I do think

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Speaker 1: that Jeb Sessions will in panel a grand jury as

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Speaker 1: he's entitled to as the Attorney General, that we will

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Speaker 1: determine who made these leaks in violation of the es Manajact,

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Speaker 1: and people will go to jail. Joe your final thought,

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Speaker 1: I concur with that, and I hope it happens sooner

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Speaker 1: rather than later. This is one of the most disgraceful

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Speaker 1: moments for the Department of Justice and the FBI in history,

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Speaker 1: and Comy is responsible for this from start to finish.

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Speaker 1: He is an embarrassment to law enforcement. Wow, very powerful statements.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna have more on the other side.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both for being with us, Joe the Jennifer

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Speaker 1: and Jay Sekulo. We'll have more. We'll get into this

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Speaker 1: with Jay, with Jason Schaffitz, he's in studio today. And

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Speaker 1: also we'll check in with Bill Benny, who is the

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Speaker 1: former technical director of the n s A World Geopolitical

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Speaker 1: and Military Analysis and Reporting Group. Dan Bongina will also

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Speaker 1: join us as well, and much more one Seawn. On

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Speaker 1: this busy newsday, were also awaiting a possible outline on

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Speaker 1: the healthcare bill. If that happens, will bring that to

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Speaker 1: you as well. Let me start with the president's tweets yesterday. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this idea that may be President Obama ordered in a

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Speaker 1: legal wire tap of his offices. If something like that happened,

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Speaker 1: would this be something you would be aware of? I

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Speaker 1: would certainly hope so I can say obviously I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I can't speak officially anymore, but I will say that

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Speaker 1: for the part of the National Security Apparatus that I

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Speaker 1: oversaw as d N I there was no such wire

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Speaker 1: tap activity mounted against the President, the president elect at

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Speaker 1: the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign.

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for other Title three authorized entities in

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Speaker 1: the government or a state or local. And I was

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Speaker 1: just gonna say, if the FBI, for instance, had a

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Speaker 1: fight a court order some sort first surveillance, would that

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Speaker 1: be information you would know or not? Now you would

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Speaker 1: be told there would know that if there was a

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Speaker 1: fight a court order on something like this UM something.

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Speaker 1: And at this point you can't confirm or deny whether

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Speaker 1: that exists. I can deny it. There is no fight

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Speaker 1: a court order, not not to my knowledge of anything

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Speaker 1: a Trump Tower. No. This is the difference between being

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Speaker 1: correct and being right. I think the President was not

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Speaker 1: correct certainly in saying that President Obama ordered the wire

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Speaker 1: ordered a tap on a server in in Trump Tower. However,

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Speaker 1: I think he's right in that there was surveillance, and

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Speaker 1: that it was conducted at the behest of UM the

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Speaker 1: Attorney of the Justice Department through the FA and what

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Speaker 1: do you base that on. I based that on news

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Speaker 1: reports that you mentioned in in in the last in

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Speaker 1: the last spot, I also based it on a kind

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Speaker 1: of inadvertent blurting out by Adam Schiff that his committee

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Speaker 1: wants to talk to the counter intelligence agents at the

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Speaker 1: FBI who were involved in this. And what that means

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Speaker 1: is that this is part not of a criminal investigation,

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Speaker 1: but of an intelligence gathering investigation. The f guys got

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Speaker 1: two functions. They investigate crimes and they gather intelligence. They

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Speaker 1: started gathering intelligence in no aid based on guidelines that

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Speaker 1: we put in place. They tried to get apparently tried

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Speaker 1: to get a wire tap based on their criminal investigation

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Speaker 1: function in June. That was turned down. They then tried

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Speaker 1: to get and got a a UH in order permitting

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Speaker 1: them to conduct electronic surveillance in October. This is October

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Speaker 1: of two thousand sixteen, so that's when apparently that's when

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Speaker 1: that's when they Again you're basing this on news reports

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Speaker 1: as well, and on and on and on. Adom All right,

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Speaker 1: So the question remains, did people in the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: go to a FISA court not once, but twice to

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Speaker 1: get surveillance permission from that court to monitor an opposition

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Speaker 1: party candidate in the middle of an election. That's the question. Now,

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Speaker 1: Obama's statement is very clear that White House, neither the President,

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Speaker 1: nor the White House or any White House official ordered surveillance. Well,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean a thing, nor does it mean a thing.

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Speaker 1: What you just heard as well from James Clapper, the

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Speaker 1: former Director of National Intelligence, Well, I would hope that

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Speaker 1: I would know. I hope. So I can't speak for

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Speaker 1: the other agencies that have the ability to do it.

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Speaker 1: The part that I saw there was no wire tap.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't answer the question. And everybody in the me

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Speaker 1: see James Clapper said, see Obama said, Obama said he

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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Okay, did he acknowledge of it? What

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Speaker 1: did he know? When did he know it? And why

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Speaker 1: doesn't he tell us? And why will't they confirm it?

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Speaker 1: And why did the New York Times reported what they

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Speaker 1: mentioned it five times? Why you're tapping the exact words seriously? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: joining us now to discuss all the ins and announce

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Speaker 1: of all of this, we welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 1: Bill Benny is with us, and also we have he's

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Speaker 1: a former technical director of the n S, a geo

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Speaker 1: political Military Analysism Reporting Group, Dan Bongino, risk management consultant,

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Speaker 1: former Secret Service agent, nyp D and contributing editor or

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Speaker 1: Conservative Review Bill Benny. You were the architect, if I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, of the n s A surveillance program. And

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Speaker 1: you became a whistleblower when you resigned in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one after spending what thirty years with the agency

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Speaker 1: a little a little over thirty two Yeah, as a civilian. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And uh, what can you tell us about whether or

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Speaker 1: not these FISA requests were true, whether the first was denied,

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Speaker 1: and whether or not in the middle of a campaign

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Speaker 1: that somebody in the Obama administration in fact got permission

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Speaker 1: for surveillance of Donald Trump's Trump Tower and members of

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Speaker 1: his campaign BA. See. I think that they're missing the

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Speaker 1: point here. Under Executive Order one to Triple three, they

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Speaker 1: do surveillance of everybody in the United States without warrants,

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Speaker 1: and that's done through various upstream programs UH, Fairview, Storm, Brew, BLARNEE,

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Speaker 1: and UH and also cooperation with other countries in terms

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Speaker 1: of collection worldwide. So it's all done without warrants. UH.

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Speaker 1: And that was testified to Adrian Kinney by Dreen Kinny

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Speaker 1: and David Murphy Falk who were transcribing at Fort Gordon, George,

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Speaker 1: and they were transcribing conversations between U. S. Citizens with

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Speaker 1: no warrant at all. So for example, General Flynn, there

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Speaker 1: was no warrant in his case. And General Flynn when

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Speaker 1: when they recognize if they're doing monitoring of an ambassador

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Speaker 1: from another country, let's say Russia, and General Flynn is

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Speaker 1: on the phone when he once they recognize he's an

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Speaker 1: American citizen and they don't have permission to surveil him.

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Speaker 1: Aren't they supposed to minimize what they listened to and

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Speaker 1: what they record. Yes, they are, Yeah, unless they find

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Speaker 1: probable cause, at which time they require to get a warrant.

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Speaker 1: That's right, okay, And they didn't do that, and then

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Speaker 1: they also leaked all the information. Is that not true? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. And I look at it this way. The

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Speaker 1: i C is becoming more like the Praetorian Guard, you know,

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Speaker 1: where they're trying to determine who the emperor is and

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Speaker 1: and also influenced what the emperor does. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just think that this is getting out of hand,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, President Trump is absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: The intelligence community needs to be revamped. Are you saying

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Speaker 1: that every American can be wire tapped against their will

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Speaker 1: without any warrant at any point? No, I'm saying they are.

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Speaker 1: You're saying every you mean, Ambie, I have been wire tapped,

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Speaker 1: that's right, repeatedly. Yes. And by wire tapping, that means

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Speaker 1: what recording my phone conversations, taking my emails, my text

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Speaker 1: that's that's correct, and also storing it for mining. It's

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Speaker 1: all done under Executive Order one to Triple three Section

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Speaker 1: to three C. One to Triple three is the one

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Speaker 1: that Obama put in place just two weeks before he left. Well,

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Speaker 1: he opened it up to all the other agencies in

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Speaker 1: the intelligence community. Originally was just restricted to the only

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Speaker 1: one who had access where N s A, c, I, A,

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Speaker 1: and FBI. You're saying that every American listening to this program,

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Speaker 1: and every American in this country is being surveilled by

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Speaker 1: our government without any type of warrant. Isn't that against

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Speaker 1: unreasonable search and seizure? Sir? Yeah, it's a violation. This

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Speaker 1: is why I left N s A in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one. They're violating the first fourth Sift. In six

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Speaker 1: amendments to the Constitution as well as any number of laws.

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Speaker 1: That's why, that's why I left. I couldn't stick around

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Speaker 1: and be a party to that. And you were one

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Speaker 1: of the are you were were one of the big

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Speaker 1: architects of the surveillance program? Yeah, that's right. Unfortunately, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well what do you mean Unfortunately, don't we need surveillance, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but you don't need it to be abused And that's

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Speaker 1: what they're doing now. So so so was Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: being surveilled even without the FISA court, that's correct. And

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Speaker 1: actually what it is is he's being targeted. Now. They're

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Speaker 1: going into the database looking for data on him. So

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Speaker 1: in other words, to all the all the mining that

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Speaker 1: they've done, now they're just searching it all out. So,

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Speaker 1: in other words, my private conversations with Donald Trump could

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Speaker 1: be made public one day, that's right. And who would

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Speaker 1: release that? It hap to be somebody in the intelligence community. Well, now,

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Speaker 1: now any one of the sixteen agencies now have access,

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Speaker 1: I guess. And by the way, isn't that a felony

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Speaker 1: to release that information? Yes it is, yes it is.

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Speaker 1: And how come nobody has been charged up to this point.

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Speaker 1: And do you think people will be actually, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean we we when Nixon was doing this with the

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Speaker 1: same three agencies basically at the core N S, A,

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Speaker 1: c I, n FBI. I mean he got impeached for them.

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Speaker 1: Damn Bongino, what's your take on all? This is rather shocking?

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Speaker 1: What do you say? Holy Moses? I mean, how do

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Speaker 1: you follow that up? Show? Rarely are by a guest

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Speaker 1: on a show where I'm listening like, no, no, let

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Speaker 1: him go? I have I mean, that is if that

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Speaker 1: is in fact true, and I have no reason the

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Speaker 1: question that at all. The legitimacy of that, that is

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Speaker 1: just a stunning revelation, and it separates out the warrant

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Speaker 1: issue from the wire tap. In other words, if that

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Speaker 1: is in fact true, then Trump's statement is correct. It

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Speaker 1: is tweet about being wire tapped is absolutely true, whether

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Speaker 1: there's a Fizer Warren or not, as reported by the

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Speaker 1: New York Times and other places like that. Um, that

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Speaker 1: then becomes kind of a mood point, because then it

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Speaker 1: becomes a point of who released the information, not in

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Speaker 1: fact was he tapped? And then then you have I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have a conspiracy right now. That's devastating to the

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Speaker 1: former Obama administration. But once we find out who releases

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Speaker 1: that information. I'm sure Mr Binney could tell you a

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Speaker 1: les data minding all of this. Mr Benny, then, is

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Speaker 1: that in and of itself you're saying, and I'm agreeing

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Speaker 1: with you, that that would be a violation of the

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Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment. And you're probably right the first fifth and six.

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Speaker 1: So all of this is happening. Why don't the American

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Speaker 1: people know that every conversation they have is likely being

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Speaker 1: data mind. Yeah, Unfortunately they don't seem to care. You know,

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Speaker 1: they seek you know, they throw out the statement, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything wrong, so I don't have anything

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Speaker 1: to hide. Well, you know, I have three things to

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Speaker 1: say about that. The first thing is that's a great

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Speaker 1: quote from Joseph Gebel's former Hitler propaganda minister. Secondly, what

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Speaker 1: they think, what the people think in this country is

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Speaker 1: totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter what they think. The only

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Speaker 1: thing that matters is whether or not the administration thinks

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Speaker 1: you're doing the wrong thing. And thirdly, I take a

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Speaker 1: quote from Gerta that said, and this I think is

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Speaker 1: our current state. Uh no one is more hopelessly enslaved

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Speaker 1: than those who believe they are free. But if there's

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Speaker 1: no let me ask you this. If there's no warrant,

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Speaker 1: let's say that they are data mind, and let's say

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Speaker 1: everything you're saying here is true, and I have no

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Speaker 1: is an a doubt you. Let's say every American is

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Speaker 1: being monitored and they're recording every phone conversation, and I

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Speaker 1: want to ask this about Donald Trump. Would that mean

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Speaker 1: now that they can go back without a warrant and

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Speaker 1: pull this out and leak it against Donald Trump every

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Speaker 1: private conversation he may or may not have had. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and probably they can go back at least five to

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Speaker 1: ten years every conversation. Does that include every email, every tweet?

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Speaker 1: I mean every text? Rather, that's right, good grief. So

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Speaker 1: nobody's safe and secure. If you want to see the

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Speaker 1: way they're collecting it, look at just Google ns A

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Speaker 1: Space fair View and n s A space storm Brew

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Speaker 1: and you can see all the tapping points inside the

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Speaker 1: United States. I gotta be honest, there's very few times

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Speaker 1: in my life that I get stunned. And you've just

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Speaker 1: stunned me. We'll take a quick break, we'll come back,

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Speaker 1: and Jason Chavitz is waiting outside. He'll join us live

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of this half hour. A lot more

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: to talk about, including the healthcare bill, the executive order

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: now the new executive order, the president's signed banning travel

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Speaker 1: from six terror tied countries, and more. Obviously on this

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Speaker 1: you know, surveillance issue of the Trump campaign and who knew, what,

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Speaker 1: when and where? Bite sized show that you can take

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Speaker 1: with you. To sign up today for Hannity headlines, go

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Speaker 1: to Hannity dot com. And as we continue Sean Hannity's show,

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Speaker 1: we continue with Bill Binny and also Dan Bongino. I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you, Mr Benny, as with the one

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Speaker 1: of the architects of the n s A surveillance program.

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Speaker 1: Were you the chief architect? I was the designer of

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Speaker 1: how to manage large volumes of data? Yeah yeah, now

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Speaker 1: you referred in an interview, I guess with Aaron Klein

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Speaker 1: referencing to n s A. Whistleblowers have said that they

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Speaker 1: worked at the agency in uh Fort Gordon, Georgia, and

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Speaker 1: they were asked not only to monitor phone calls of

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Speaker 1: US citizens, but transcribe them. This is all being done

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Speaker 1: without a warrant. And what about James Clapper's claim in

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Speaker 1: March during an open Senate session of the Senate Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Committee that the n s A was not with only

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Speaker 1: collecting data on Americans? Did he lie? Do you think

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Speaker 1: he lied yesterday in an interview that he gave about

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Speaker 1: not knowing about this, Well, I mean he would know

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Speaker 1: about the the FISO warrant, but he wouldn't. I mean

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Speaker 1: he said he did. FBI and c I have direct

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Speaker 1: access into the n s A data with no oversight

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Speaker 1: or attempted oversight at all. So they could have people

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Speaker 1: going in targeting President Trump or President elect Trump or

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Speaker 1: candidate Trump at any time even before that. They could

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Speaker 1: go back years. Uh and and he would never know that.

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Speaker 1: So he's not necessarily lying. He just doesn't know. Isn't

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Speaker 1: Dan Bongino? What what Mr Benny is describing here? Isn't

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Speaker 1: that the foundation of a police state? And if you

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Speaker 1: have a corrupt government, that they can use this information

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Speaker 1: to silence opposition, blackmail people, compromise people. I and no offense,

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Speaker 1: but I I don't think i'd want every email I've

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Speaker 1: ever sent looked at by by government. I just wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sending anything. Is there any other way

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Speaker 1: to look at this, Sean? I mean, think about what

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Speaker 1: happens in North say, a lot of crush words on

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Speaker 1: some private calls sometimes, you know, you know you meet

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Speaker 1: sound like private anymore? So, you know, Linda, I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm almost as bad as her, almost not quite, but

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Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, a real police state like

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Speaker 1: North Korea or Cuba. You know, there's no private in

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Speaker 1: public self, right. You know, when you're behind closed doors,

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Speaker 1: nothing's really private. They're listening to your phone, they're looking

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Speaker 1: at your Internet traffic. Um. There are literally neighbors paid

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Speaker 1: this by on people in places like North Korea and

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Speaker 1: things like that. So there's no distinction between the public

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Speaker 1: and privateself. Why are we replicating that model here in

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Speaker 1: the United States? Where the privateself, your email behavior, your

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Speaker 1: private telephone conversations are now no longer private, but they're

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Speaker 1: in the public domain for what government bureaucrats and officials

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Speaker 1: to access anytime they have a gripe against you. I mean, Sean,

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Speaker 1: you and I both have a lot of enemies out there,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, this isn't the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: you want out there. You want that's the that's the

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Speaker 1: actual distinctions is going after me? Now? Is that why

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Speaker 1: you nevern though I pay a fortunate taxes, I mean

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Speaker 1: the sad thing is you don't know, like is that

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Speaker 1: you have to ask the question? Is bad enough the

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Speaker 1: the the answer, frankly is irrelevant that you're asking the

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Speaker 1: question says we're all in trouble. And if if what

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Speaker 1: Mr Binny says is even half accurate, again, I have

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Speaker 1: no reason to think otherwise. Should we worry about stuff?

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Speaker 1: Should we worry that the judge and the Fiser Court

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Speaker 1: Mr Benny was picked by Bill Clinton, appointed by Bill Clinton? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that certainly would be some concern, But

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Speaker 1: I think the five courts basically totally irrelevant. They're not

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Speaker 1: even concerned or they involved in any way with the

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Speaker 1: Executive Order one to tip of three collection. That's all

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Speaker 1: done outside of the courts and outside of the Congress.

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Speaker 1: So all that when I talk about the President opening

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Speaker 1: up the sharing of of one two three three, uh,

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Speaker 1: Executive Order one two three three three that I'm you're

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Speaker 1: saying that they now allowed the sharing, but it always

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Speaker 1: allowed the monitoring of every American citizen and they do

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Speaker 1: it with regularity and everything is being recorded. Yeah, that's right, jee,

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Speaker 1: good grief. What the hell is going on in this country? Um?

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Speaker 1: I mean I I looked at it this way. When

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Speaker 1: some of this first started coming out with the from

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Speaker 1: Edward Snowden back in UH, there was a quote by

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Speaker 1: a Wolfgang Schmidt, who was a former lieutenant colonel in

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Speaker 1: the East German Stazi. And if you remember, the East

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Speaker 1: Germans had folders on everybody in the country and they

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Speaker 1: kept records up them all uh. And he's this colonel said,

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Speaker 1: for for when he looked at the n S A

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Speaker 1: collection system and its the acquisition of data, he said

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Speaker 1: for us, for us meaning the Stasi, this would have

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Speaker 1: been a dream come true, very frightening, very chilling, and

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. We'll have a lot more on

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Speaker 1: this tonight on Hannity ten Eastern on the Fox News

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Speaker 1: Channel and all the other news of the day. The

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Speaker 1: executive order, the new order put out by the President today,

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Speaker 1: and the outline of the health care information that we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about a much more. Here is not a

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Speaker 1: liberal Democrat, a Republican senator who says he's trying to

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Speaker 1: get the details. So let me guess, Ran Paul, for

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Speaker 1: what we think is being hidden from conservatives is that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Obamacare light in their bill. There's

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Speaker 1: a new entitlement program there will increase it about five

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Speaker 1: percent a year or forever. There is also a Cadillac

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Speaker 1: tax or something similar to the Cadillac tax. It was

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Speaker 1: an Obamacare. And there's also an individual mandate believe it

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Speaker 1: or not. Instead of paying the mandate to the government,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna tell you have to pay the mandate by

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Speaker 1: law to an insurance company. So a lot of Conservats

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Speaker 1: will be upset to know that we're keeping those things

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Speaker 1: from Obamacare, and there needs to be an open debate

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Speaker 1: about it. Is that all true? No, it's not. And um,

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Speaker 1: I think he's just kind of you know, I like Ran,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's looking for a publicity stunt here.

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Speaker 1: What's happening is the committees of jurisdiction are drafting legislation

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Speaker 1: and getting feedback from their members. That's exactly how legislation

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be written. Um, the things he described

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Speaker 1: are are just not accurate. And uh, like I said,

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Speaker 1: when the committees write their bills and put their bills

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Speaker 1: out there to mark up, everybody will see what they've done.

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Speaker 1: President Trump is requesting that is part of their investigation

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Speaker 1: into Russian activity. The Congressional Intelligence Committees exercised their oversight

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Speaker 1: authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused

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Speaker 1: in is that a fair ask of this administration? Well, look,

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Speaker 1: President Obama has flatly denied that he has done this,

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Speaker 1: and either way, Chuck, the President's in trouble if he

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Speaker 1: falsely spread this kind of misinformation that is so wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's it's beneath the dignity of the presidency. It is

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Speaker 1: something that really hurts people's view of government. Its civilization warping,

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Speaker 1: as Ben Sass, a conservative Republican called it. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if any president, uh, Democrat a republic in

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Speaker 1: the past has done this. It shows this president doesn't

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Speaker 1: know how to conduct himself. On the other hand, if

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Speaker 1: it's true, it's even worse for the president because that

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Speaker 1: means that a federal judge, independently elected, has found probable

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Speaker 1: cause that the president or people on his to have

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Speaker 1: have had probable cause who have broken the law, or

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Speaker 1: to have interacted with a foreign agent. Now that serious stuff.

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Speaker 1: So either way, the president makes it worse with these tweets. Now,

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Speaker 1: is he trying to divert things here? Yeah, the President

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Speaker 1: denied this. I don't have any doubt to do to uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't have any doubt that President Obama has been

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Speaker 1: telling the treat regardless of whether or not President Obama

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Speaker 1: ordered such a wire tap. Do you know if there

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Speaker 1: was any such wire tap by the FBI or the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice. But we wouldn't know that. But in fact,

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Speaker 1: the very idea that um President Trump is saying he

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Speaker 1: wants his Justice Department to look into that, you don't

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Speaker 1: look into something like that. In other words, a President

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Speaker 1: Obama flat out has said, we have nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with this. What the Justice Department is doing is another subject.

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Speaker 1: I had no knowledge of anything of that kind. Well,

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Speaker 1: notice the parsing of words we've got going on here.

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Speaker 1: That was with Chucky Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. The statement

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Speaker 1: of President Obama this weekend was very, very very specific.

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Speaker 1: In other words, neither the President nor any White House

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Speaker 1: official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. They didn't

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Speaker 1: deny that there were fiser court requests from either the

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Speaker 1: FBI or the Justice Department or any other department, nor

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Speaker 1: did they acknowledge that it happened. Now the question is,

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Speaker 1: we now have great suspicion that, in fact, there were

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Speaker 1: two attempts to get fiser warrants against Donald Trump or associates,

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Speaker 1: and one was denied in Juno July, and the second

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Speaker 1: one in October, more narrow in scope was approved. And

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Speaker 1: if that happened, then it's very likely that in fact

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Speaker 1: Trump Tower was wire tapped, at least in some capacity. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: twenty four now to the top of the hour, joining

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Speaker 1: us a rare in studio appearance as Jason Chavitz, the

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Speaker 1: congressman from the great state where you're from, Utah and

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Speaker 1: is the chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. Well,

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Speaker 1: you've been making the rounds today. You were on Fox

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Speaker 1: and Friends earlier this morning. It was gonna be a

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Speaker 1: town glad to be with you. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Doing great? Doing great? You actually made a statement about

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Speaker 1: it this morning. You said it wouldn't be the first

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Speaker 1: time that Obama illegally wire tapped as opponents. What did

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Speaker 1: you mean by that? Well, I I what I was saying.

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01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: I didn't say a wire tapped. What I said is

1484
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't you know they've been notorious of here. Remember

1485
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: what happened with James Rosen, Remember what happened with the

1486
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: targeting of innocent Americans, just based on their political beliefs

1487
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: and what they did with the I R S. Aren't

1488
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: all those things crimes? Aren't all those things illegal? Yes?

1489
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look what the Secret Service did to me.

1490
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: I was investigating. The Secret Service, more than forty agents

1491
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: illegally against the law, according to the Inspector General, tapped

1492
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: into my private files, all in an effort to damage

1493
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: is done. You know, it's like this isn't this the

1494
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: same case with General Flynn? What they did to General

1495
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 1: Flynn for extent? Tell me what part of this is wrong?

1496
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: Because I speak to members that are high in the

1497
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: intelligence community, and for example, if the N s A

1498
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: or or any other agency is in fact intercepting the

1499
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: signals of either friend ally opponent, which is their job,

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're doing it. In the case of the

1501
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: Russian ambassador, once they identify that an American is on

1502
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: the line. Is it or is it not true that

1503
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: they're supposed to minimize the amount of listening number one

1504
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: that they do to the American unless he's saying something

1505
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: outrageous because they haven't gotten a warrant to listen, and

1506
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: they don't have a PISO court opportunity. They haven't gone

1507
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: to the FIS Court to get permission to listen, and

1508
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: aren't there isn't a general practice that when they finally

1509
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: write up a report on whoever it was that they

1510
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: were surveilling, that they wouldn't identify the Americans. Yeah, that's

1511
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 1: exactly what we had a hearing about this in judiciary

1512
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: literally just last week. As we're looking at what's called

1513
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: this so called seven O two S, and that's how

1514
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: the FISA court works, that's what's supposed to happen. Um,

1515
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: there was a felony committed in the case of General

1516
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: Flynn by by number one releasing this classified information. There

1517
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: was no reasonable search or seizure here. There was no

1518
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: there was no government granting of of of of a

1519
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: tapping of his phone right now, ins handling of classified

1520
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: information putting that out of the public. I mean as

1521
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: as I talked to Devin Newness, who's the chairman of

1522
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: the House Intelligence Committee, you know, I said, the one

1523
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: crime we know about is the actual leaking of classified

1524
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 1: information that is against the law. And so so General

1525
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: Flynn lost his job because he was illegally tapped by

1526
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: our own government and then the information was leaked, both

1527
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: of which are felonies. So we've asked the Inspector General

1528
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: to go in and look at that that information. I've

1529
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,480
Speaker 1: talked to Devon Unez a few times about the information

1530
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: that they're going to look at. We're gonna go into

1531
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: this eyes wide open. I don't know where the facts

1532
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: will take us, but we're gonna take this very seriously,

1533
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: and we're gonna look and see what what the reality is.

1534
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: Do we or do we not have confirmation that, in fact,

1535
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: there were two attempts to get the FISA Court to

1536
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: sign off on surveillance against Donald Trump and members of

1537
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: his campaign. I have read and seen that in the media,

1538
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,520
Speaker 1: but in the New York Times, Yeah, the New York Times, McClatchy,

1539
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail, any other places you read it. Well,

1540
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: it's out there, but I have not, you know, independently

1541
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: firm that. I can't say that it happened or didn't

1542
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: happen yet. So do you know personally, But if you could,

1543
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: you tell us if you knew. I I'm just flat

1544
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: out telling you I don't know. I mean, this happened

1545
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: over the weekend. It's starting the process to try to

1546
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: untangle this this very you know, deep web, and it's

1547
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: gonna take some time. Do you agree with me that

1548
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: the White House statement that neither the President nor any

1549
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,839
Speaker 1: White House official ordered surveillance on any US citizen is meaningless?

1550
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: And isn't it likely that in fact that president, if

1551
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: it did happen, would have known. I don't know, but

1552
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: you go into these eyes wide open. You don't presuppose

1553
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: the conclusion of this. But we're going to find out.

1554
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: What would it mean if in fact, the sitting administration

1555
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: and the heat of a presidential campaign is tapping or

1556
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: surveilling the opposition party candidate. I mean, if it is

1557
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: sounds like a police stage. Look if it is true.

1558
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: I think some have said, hey, this is you know,

1559
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: one of the biggest political scandals of all time, And

1560
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: you're probably right. Why it matters is because if our

1561
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: government can do surveillance on Donald Trump, if they could

1562
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 1: do it on General Flynn and they can leak that information,

1563
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: then wants to stop them for doing it against me

1564
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: or you in the case you've already had it done

1565
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: against you, No, I know. I mean it's already well

1566
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: documented through the Inspector General. It was done in more

1567
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: than forty people, and it was like a day and

1568
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: a half maybe in the news, nobody paid any attention

1569
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: to the administration just kind of brushed it off and

1570
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: gave people literally paid time off. Sounds like a vacation turn.

1571
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: To me, that was not exactly a reprimand I was

1572
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 1: a little mad at you last week because the comments

1573
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: that I read you had said about Jeff Sessions. I

1574
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: don't think Jeff Sessions should have recused himself. I think

1575
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: that it was a rush to judgment. I I understand

1576
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: he wants to avoid any appearance of impropriety. But if

1577
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Loretta Lynch could meet on a tarmac days before she's

1578
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: making a decision on Hillary Clinton, where I know she

1579
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: committed felonies, is there any doubt in your mind she

1580
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: committed felonies like she should have. She should have stepped

1581
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: way back. She did, stepped way out of bounds. The

1582
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: Democrats were absolutely nowhere in Isn't it illegal to mishandle classified?

1583
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: So is the definition of mishandling if you have it

1584
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: in a m in pop shop, server, bathroom closet, is

1585
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: that the mishandling the classified information? That's look. I we

1586
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: helped spearhead the whole Hillary Clinton email investigation. In that

1587
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: whole are you convinced she committed felonies. That Coloretta Lynch.

1588
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh that Hillary Clinton? Oh yeah, I mean you can't

1589
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 1: come to Congress in a lot. Then why don't we

1590
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: Why don't we ever prosecute or follow up on people

1591
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: that commit crimes. Why hasn't that happened? Well, we have

1592
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: a new administration in a new new attorney sheriff in town.

1593
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: But why do I know that? Boy, if if I

1594
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: burped the wrong way and broke a law, I mean

1595
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: that they would have me in handcuffs, perp walked and

1596
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: and mug shot it. Like I just sent a letter

1597
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: in the last I think two weeks. Mr Pagliano, who

1598
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 1: we issued, Yeah, we issued a subpoena for him to

1599
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: appear at Congress. She just said no, he didn't show up. Well,

1600
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: they should prosecute it for that. You know, it's not

1601
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: optional to show up and test. The thing is that

1602
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: we never follow through. Now I'll give you another example.

1603
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: We have all those video of people that were rioting

1604
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: and looting in Ferguson, Missouri, or rioting and looting in Baltimore, Maryland.

1605
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: We got there, we got their faces on video, and

1606
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: we never follow up. But look the legislative band branch.

1607
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: You know myself, Trey Gaudy, others. We can't prosecute anybody.

1608
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 1: We can highlight it, we can point at it Congress well,

1609
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: and when we do that again, the administration has to

1610
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: be the one to actually prosecute somebody. They don't give

1611
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: me handcuffs, Sean. If they give me handcuffs, there's lots

1612
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: of people that come before our committee, it should be

1613
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: in handcuffs. That's a good point. How do you feel

1614
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: about the President's new executive order banning travel from six

1615
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: terror tied countries. I'm excited. I mean good, you saw

1616
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: three Cabinet secretars. By the way, the more the media

1617
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: is gonna lie and say it's a Muslim ban, even

1618
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: though it doesn't impact of the world's Muslims, and they're

1619
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: gonna say that it's a religious litmus test, none of

1620
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,839
Speaker 1: which is true. This is about countries that have specific

1621
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: ties to terror, and it's a temporary band, but it'll

1622
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: be mischaracterized. Look, the one goal of the president is

1623
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: to protect the United States of America. It's totally within

1624
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: his rights and he absolutely should do this, and I

1625
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: think he's rolling it out the right way. It starts

1626
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 1: ten days from now, and uh, I wholeheartedly support it.

1627
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit worried about I mean, we played

1628
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: Rampaul in his criticism. Um. I've had numerous conversations with

1629
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: the Speaker, and I've talked to Congressman McCarthy, and I've

1630
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: talked to Freedom Caucus members, and I've talked to Rand Paul.

1631
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: And there seems to be the schism in this divide

1632
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: about what you know. We're getting the points now out

1633
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: as we speak, in other words, the main points of

1634
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 1: how the reconciliation bill is gonna work. Do you interpret

1635
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: this in any way that it has a new mandate

1636
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,839
Speaker 1: except to the insurance companies, that the Cadillac tacks still exists,

1637
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: and that there's a new entitlement, or any of those

1638
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: things true in your mind. Well, we got to see

1639
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: it all fully rolled out, and Paul Ryan is right,

1640
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: and that is when it goes to the committee of

1641
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,560
Speaker 1: members can offer amendments, and they can. We're gonna have

1642
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: some votes on these things, and they may or may

1643
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: not go the direction I like I want to go.

1644
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I really like Rand Paul's approach to this. I like

1645
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: his bill. He's got a lot of greed of Caucus.

1646
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, I have this guy, Dr Josh Umber actually

1647
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: gave his name to Ryan's previous the other day, and

1648
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: and Dr Umber is a guy in which it tak Kansas.

1649
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 1: And one's really cool about him is he's created this

1650
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: co op ten dollars a month for kids, fifty dollars

1651
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: a month for adults, all the care you can want. Right.

1652
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: He buys in bulk all of the main pharmaceuticals that

1653
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: you'd ever need. If you need stitches, you break a bone,

1654
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, all your basic medical care, stress test, all

1655
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: of this stuff is covered. Only it's not covered as cancer,

1656
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: heart attacks, or if you have a bad accident. Yeah,

1657
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 1: I mean if you have some catastrophic then you need

1658
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: a catastrophic everybody should. I would hope that people would

1659
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: go by, but I don't want to force them to

1660
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: go buy it. It's it's in America. They gotta be

1661
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: able to make their choices. So they make their choices.

1662
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: But I mean, could you imagine if all of let's say,

1663
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the bricklayers of America or the nurses of America could

1664
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:41,520
Speaker 1: actually create such a cooperative like that, And that's absolutely

1665
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I really do believe it. I think you'll see a

1666
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: lot on health savings accounts, which you know aligns the

1667
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: financial incentives. And people should be able to congregate the

1668
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: way they want to, whether it's an organization or or

1669
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: however they want to try to pull together and get

1670
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: the best deal they can. Well, people don't know about you.

1671
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 1: And I saw your wife the other night at the

1672
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: joint Session of Congress speeches. She looks like Kate Beckinsdale.

1673
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: You know. They take that as a huge compliment. And

1674
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I keep thinking every time I see her, what the

1675
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: hell was she thinking when she married you? I don't

1676
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 1: understand why, Hey, I'm keeping that deal twenty six years

1677
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: we've been married, though I'm not. I'm not your face.

1678
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: Why is your face? Fred? When I say that? Because

1679
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: I just got visions of her, I still get my

1680
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: still get the tingle down the back of my isn't

1681
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: a great being a talk show host. I can be

1682
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: so free and I don't give a fly and rip

1683
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: what anybody thinks. And you guys in Congress have to

1684
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: be so careful and nice about everything. I got my

1685
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: tie all tied up. You're golf shirt. You're gonna be

1686
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: golfing before we're you know, I don't. Yeah, I'm like,

1687
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: I have a lot of time to golf in my life.

1688
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, let me fit that in in my morning

1689
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: workout routine. I barely have an hour from my ninja workout,

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01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: which wore me out this morning. Uh, congressmen, we appreciate it.

1691
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: I really think if we don't get rid of the swamp,

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01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: and we don't get rid of the Obama holdovers, and

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01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 1: we don't get rid of the lifelong bureaucrats, and we

1694
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: don't get rid of Republicans, don't get a spine. This

1695
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: is like the only chance we've got. You guys got

1696
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: to do your job. You guys got to get this done.

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01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: And everybody that listens to this program wants you Republicans

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01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: to step up in the House and Senate. Hey, we're

1699
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: really done the clock and we do we gotta get

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01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: it done. That means repealing Obamacare and replace it with

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01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: something that we can all live with him. And then

1702
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: we got to do tax reform. That those are the

1703
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: two big ones right up. And we're gonna hold people accountable.

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01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: From my point, we're gonna hold people accountable. That's my job.

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01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: And if you don't, I will be screaming and yelling

1706
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and giving out your phone number. I could be an

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01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: awful human being. I believe you all right there to

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01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: say a congressman, all right, we appreciate you being one

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Speaker 1: of us. Thank you, Conress