WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Who’s Open? 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:16.320 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:16.840 Yes? 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.720 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:19.520 Absolutely? 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.880 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.680 It's time for the Break on. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:33.200 Dallas Cowboys dot Com right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.960 Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.479 It is Wednesday, April ninth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.919 episode number five. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.800 We're life and that's of UBC Mortgage Studios at the 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.040 Star presented by LGLG is the world's number one O 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.320 led TV brand for eleven years in counting cyd at, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.400 LG dot com, Fort slash O, led Evo. And speaking 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.280 of LG, we got some surprises that are be coming 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:59.920 up here in the next few weeks. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.600 Maybe uh it's one of LB not being able to 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.360 get my chair up there. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.000 We go, all right, sorry, go ahead, Well LG does 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:05.759 not make the chair. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.880 But I'm just saying we've gotta have some surprises for 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.679 our listeners, so you've got to stay tuned for that. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.840 LG is is they're thinking about stepping up in a 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:13.200 big way. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:14.760 We're gonna have some trait it out. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.400 I will not tell you because it isn't finalized. We're 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:18.240 working on some stuff. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.640 I'm just gonna say on here there, okay. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.080 Yeah, you can always use on one, O, five, do 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:24.840 three the thing right? 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:29.240 Yeah, I said, don't be giving fake promises on here. Okay. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.600 When do I get fake promises, I will. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.039 We'll see ask again next week. Don't worry, guys. I 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.600 will keep on top of this. I will keep him 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.800 to what he just said, stay. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.800 On top of it, all right. Appreciate you guys joining 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.440 us today. We got a few things we're going to 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.640 talk about. We're going to continue our series on positions today. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.560 We're going to talk about the wide receiver position. If 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.720 we have time, we'll get into the tight end position 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.360 as well. Before we do that, though, I did want 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.720 to catch up on a trade that was made after 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.480 our show last week. Cowboys get a quarterback in Joe Milton. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.880 They gave up a compensatory one of their compensatory fifth 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:05.920 round picks, the one under and seventy first pick overall. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.600 They received back a seventh round pick, two hundred and 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.400 seventeenth overall. And obviously got Joe Milton added to their roster. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.919 Let's start, Brian, give me a give me a scatter report. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.680 If you were just looking at this guy and giving 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.960 a scattering report, what would you say are his greatest 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:21.160 strengths greatest weaknesses. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.560 This guy's got an incredibly strong arm. And in this 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.440 draft Nick Harrison and I will tell you about the 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.160 when Jalen Milroe and the guy like that that has mobility, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.000 maybe not the mobility of Milroe, but when you start 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.080 to talk about the arm talent, the arm strength, there 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.280 has always been some kind of some questions, you know, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.200 where does he throw the ball too hard? Does he 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.560 have touch? Because he able to do all those things. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.880 You know, you watch him on tape. You watch him 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.760 the last game that he you know, he got to 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.960 play against the Buffalo Bills where he was he was 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.760 brought into the game. He played exceptionally well. The pocket, mobility, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.960 the awareness. You watch him some in the preseason, and 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.400 you know, you see these things. Joe Milton is a 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.960 very very talented player. When I look at you know, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.320 my board. If you're talking about fifth round guys, you know, 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.840 I don't know. I mean, that's that's the thing I 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.400 look at, I go, I don't know if Riley Leonard 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.360 can play. I don't know this, you know. I mean 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.840 there's things that you can you can kind of take from, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.280 you know, watching the college tape and then watching also 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.080 what Joe Milton and watching what they gave up. Here's 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.480 my hope if you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, that Ken 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.440 Dorsey at one time who's on staff now, you know, 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.840 worked with Josh Allen who had some issues strong arm, 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.960 maybe some maybe some accurate issues, accuracy issues. That's my 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.120 hope right there for if you're a Cowboy fan, is 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.080 that in fact that Ken Dorsey can come in. This guy, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.240 he's I think the mechanics need to be kind of 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.560 worked with a little bit. He really strides into his 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.800 throats and I think that's why he has the the 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.160 arm talent that he does the ball sometimes behind guys 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.560 a little bit needs to put it out in front. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.720 But but Ken Dorsey did did wonderful things the first 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.480 couple of years, uh, you know, with Josh Allen, and 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.880 hopefully that he could potentially do the same thing with 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.240 Joe Milton. And I think that if they if they 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.040 can kind of correct some of those things, the mechanical 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.880 things with this throwing motion that I think you might 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.240 hit on a guy here for a very minimal pick. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.240 When you look at at what he is and the 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.039 fact that he hasn't played a lot of football in 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.239 the NFL. Do you think right now, based on where 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.480 he is, that he's the guy that Cowboys are bringing 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.360 in for developmental purposes or do you think he's actually 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.839 the guy that's going to be lined up to jump 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.320 in if Dak should be out for any amount of 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.239 time next season. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:36.760 Yeah, it could be a little bit of both, right. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:41.480 I think On one hand, the Cowboys and Brian Schottenheimer, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.600 they did say throughout the offseason that they want to 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.640 get younger behind Dak Prescott. They want to have a 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.680 young developmental guy. That was kind of the idea in 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.240 bringing in Trey Lance didn't quite pan out. He's now 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.599 with the Chargers, signed last week, but you know they're 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.400 looking onto their next guy and trying to find another 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.320 developmental guy that they could potentially usher in if and 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.520 when Dak eventually does call it quits. And so you 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.719 know you have a guy in Joe Milton that is 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.120 still a project in a lot of different ways. Yes, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.800 you see that game that he had against Buffalo in 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.280 the season finale last year, and he looked great. He flashed, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.400 he showed a arm strength, he showed a lucidness from 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.520 the pocket. That's one of my most favorite traits of 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.960 Joe Milton, his ability to escape pressure and throw on 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.359 the run. But he was playing against Bill's backups. You 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.200 probably saw Kyrie Elam on the field. I mean there 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.080 was some other sorry, there was some other Bills players 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.200 on the field that hadn't been getting much playing time 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.039 throughout the season. So you know, you take that for 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:31.600 what it is, but you also factor in, Hey, he's 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.840 gonna have a full preseason, he's gonna have a full 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.800 training camp of work. I just I worry in one instance, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.839 if say this team is ten and three, Dak goes 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.680 down and they need Joe Milton to finish the season. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.080 I don't know if that's something that would make you 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.480 feel warm and fuzzy. Now, granted, you wouldn't feel warm 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:49.920 and fuzzy if it was Cooper Rush, but I think 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.800 you would still feel better if it was a guy 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.480 like Cooper Rush. But I understand the thought process behind 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.760 getting a young quarterback in the building because let's say 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.560 that happens in twenty twenty six, then Joe Milton might 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.400 be in a better spot at that point than Cooper 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.760 Rush maybe ever would have been. So I understand the 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.200 thought process behind the Cowboys. You know, signing Joe Milton. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.480 You don't plan, you don't hope for a Dak Prescott injury, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.359 but you have to plan for it. In the same instance, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.360 I think there's a little bit of hope that they 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.200 at least get one full year of Dak before they 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.960 will need Joe Milton's spot start a game or two 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.400 throughout a regular season. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.440 Well, you still have Will Greer on the team. I mean, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.640 I know not many people get excited about that, but 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.040 I was pretty excited on that last game he had 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.880 here in that preseason game when Dak was the one 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.479 coach in him. So I think there's some more stuff 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.120 that he can show the Cowboys. But at the same time, 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.920 with a guy like Milton, he even though he likes 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.239 the experience, what you've seen from him, especially in that game, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.440 it gives you some hope. It gives you like something 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.880 that you can work with and develop. I think it's 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.200 a good I thought it was a good trade for 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.920 the Cowboys, and I think he can bring a lot 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:01.240 of stuff new here, but also his his personality. When 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.120 you look at a guy like him and you see 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.160 him talk, he has just this freshness to him. He's 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.600 ready to come in here and work and just has 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.360 a different aura that you know, you're you want to now. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.520 I'm excited to see him and what he can bring. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.280 And he says all the right the right things, so 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:19.600 we'll see what he does. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.480 To quote a guy a longtime NFL coach Tom Moore, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.120 when asked about what do they do if Peyton Manning 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.560 goes down, they say, we don't work on F You know, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.200 that's Tom Moore's quote. I would like to use the 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:34.920 word that Tom Moore us, but I can't do it 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.240 on But Tom Moore said, we don't work on FT 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.000 and so I understand where Nick's coming from, though I'm 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.800 just having some fun with him right now. But yeah, 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.440 your hope is that that Joe Milton can come in 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:51.480 and and work. And I totally understand Nick's concerned if 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.560 the guy's you know, if you're ten and three, you know, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.320 can Joe Milton find a way to win you a 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.080 couple of games? If not then you know what, then 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.320 they'll have to rethink the quarterbacks said situation going forward 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:02.000 in the future. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.080 And I'm glad you mentioned Will Greer and bar I 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.920 think there's going to be four quarterbacks that camp. I 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.280 think you'll see an undrafted quarterback too. I think they 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.760 want to increase the competition at that position behind Dak 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.640 Prescott as much as possible. And you're right, Joe Milton 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.600 is not the assumed backup. You know, he's going to 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:18.680 have to earn that role. He's going to have to 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.440 beat out Will Greer. I think he will, but I 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.600 wouldn't be surprised if there's an undrafted guy that gets 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:24.320 thrown in the mix. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.720 Too well playing against the Bill's backups and what he 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.600 did there. If he does at this preseason, and my 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.440 guess is he's probably going to be the guy that 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.000 they tab as the backup, but it will be it 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.640 will remain to be seen whether if Dak goes down, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.040 he's capable of being able to handle that, because that 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.000 is a big responsibility when you're talking about starting quarterback 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:43.720 in the NFL during the regular season. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.400 So we'll see how that all plays out. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.319 One other thing that just popped up about Dak talking 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.319 about the quarterback position. I saw a video that Jacob 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.240 Ferguson put up and he said, I think he said 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.360 it tongue in cheek, Dak is down fifty pounds. I 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:57.920 don't think that. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.439 There's no way because I think he's twenty. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.440 A's where he's listed on the on the two thirty eight, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.760 maybe something like that. Something in the two twenties, I 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:07.319 would guess. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:08.679 I would guess twenties. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.000 Yeah, but if he's down fifty pounds, that would be 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.760 really really small. He's not that, But the fact is 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.440 he is looking a little lighter. My question for you guys, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.560 and I think this is one of the things I'm 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:19.959 trying to figure out how. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.079 I think good or right? 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:21.720 Is it good? 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.400 A fact? Because when you start thinking about it, it's like, 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:24.959 if you're lighter, are you more mobile? 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.800 Are you that's flexible? If you're heavier, can you absorb 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.240 more hits? Which one's better? 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.200 Dak was always a guy that I believed in when 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.080 he first started that he had the body armor to 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.520 take the wear and tear, and we always One of 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.120 my lines about him was when Dak is bloodied and muddy, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.240 that's when he's playing at his absolute best. We're getting 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.480 to a point now where Dak doesn't need to be 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:51.560 bloodied and muddied anymore. But the questions are about his mobility. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.360 And these were questions that were even brought up when 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.719 Mike McCarthy, you know, was still the head coach and 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.800 he and Jerry Jones and the conversations that they had 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.280 along the way. You know, are we dealing with a 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.520 quarterback that has lost some of his mobility because of 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.280 some of the horrific injuries that he's had, you know, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.880 to his lower body. And with that being said, the 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.080 best way to be more mobile and I even you know, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.840 and Nick and I maybe will disagree on this on 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.000 when we talk about the draft is Shador Sanders. If 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.080 you watch Shador Sanders at Jackson State, he looks like 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.880 a lighter player, Yes, Jackson State competing against Wax schools, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.560 but still the mobility you could see him moving around 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.360 better him Now, you know, in the Big twelve, he 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.640 looks like a bigger body guy and there's going to 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.480 be a point in time where he's probably going to 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.000 someone's going to tell him, hey, you slim the scene down. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.760 Your mobility will approve I think Dak's doing the same things. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.520 He realizes that he doesn't have the flexibility and the 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.240 mobility that he once had. How do you try and 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.320 combat that? Weight loss seems to be the best way. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:55.840 Yeah, And also weight loss can be a little deceiving 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.520 at times too. Is does he look slimmer, Absolutely, yeah, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.600 but he also a little bit stockier, so that that 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.600 weight could have just been reapplied with muscles. There's a 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.280 whole science behind it. But I more so saw about 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.600 ten pounds off of Dak. And if that's the case, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.640 he's listed at two thirty eight, so you know, if 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.640 he's down ten pounds, he's around two twenty five. That's 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.319 pretty average for NFL quarterbacks. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.920 Also, when you make that much money and when you 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.400 work around here working for them and for an NFL team, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.160 you have to trust that they know what they're doing. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.880 I mean, all the people that he has around him 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.160 in coaching and directing him and training him the right way. Again, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.520 he's recovering from that injury, so that has been a 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.400 process as well. He hasn't initially remembering be able to 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.920 work out the way that he used to as he 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.960 was recovering from that. So I think we'll see, and 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.920 I just I trust the process. I don't know how 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.160 mobile he will be when once the season gets here. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.720 I mean, if last season was any indicative of how 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.240 that could be in the future. I don't have many 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.480 hopes in that regards when he comes to his mobility 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.560 and ability to run anymore. But hopefully whatever weight he 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:07.800 has is for the best. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.600 On the DAK Mobility conversation, his most mobile season, quote 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.400 unquote was twenty eighteen by far. It was pre injuries. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.280 It was pre leg injury. He was the third year 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.360 in the league, so he's feeling comfortable whenever he had 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.080 that post leg injury. And still in the Kellimore offense, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.319 they dialed it back big time, and I think there 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.440 was still a level to Dax game that he felt 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.439 like he could tap into from that mobility standpoint. So 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.720 when Mike McCarthy took over the offense, they kind of 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.880 blended ideas. It's like, hey, let me take this to 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.600 myself at times, and you know, they pushed the limit. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:39.360 They pushed the limit. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.720 They maybe saw where that limit was with Atlanta, and 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.480 now it's like trying to figure out the body, Okay, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.160 what can the body withstand within this same exact offensive philosophy, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.240 because I expect the mobility to still carry over into 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.200 twenty twenty five, which is a little bit more caution, 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.000 how does that look that looks and maybe reforming the 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.200 body in certain instances. And you know, he was on 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.240 pace to have his second highest rushing total of his 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.040 career last season before the injury, so you know there's 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.240 certainly an intention behind getting him more mobile. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.360 We like him when he's more mobile from an. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.760 Evaluation standpoint, when he's moving outside the pocket, I feel 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.600 like it, and working off script, especially with the CD Lamb, 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.959 it makes this offense much more dangerous. So I think 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.640 you can still expect that in twenty twenty five. I 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.200 think there's gonna be a lot of intention putting into 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.640 the offense about what that looks like. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.960 I even wonder to some degree with the new offensive coordinator. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.680 I look at what the kinds of things they did 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.400 in Arizona. I wonder if they want Dak to be 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.400 a little more involved in the running game for some 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.720 called runs, and maybe this is a part of that. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.040 I'm not quite sure, but I do believe Dak is 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.400 at his best when he's moving around a little more 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.520 than we've seen him do over the last couple years. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:44.960 All Right, we're gonna take our first break. When we 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.320 come back, we'll talk about the wide receiver position. 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After watching him 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.600 for the first few years of his career, give me 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.800 an assessment of where you think he is from a 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.359 standpoint of how he's developed from year to year and 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.840 where he is right now in that development process. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.439 Yeah, last offseason we talked about a lot how Jalen 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.600 Tolbert was Dak's guy during the off season, right and 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.920 we had talked about that the year prior with Ceedee Lamb, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.920 you know, being the guy that you know Dak took 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.119 to the Dak yard they had many throwing sessions throughout 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.280 the off season. This that and the third well, if 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.800 you remember Ceedee Lamb was holding out. Yes he was 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.080 still working with Dak, but it wasn't as frequent as 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.680 it was the previous offseason, and so Jalen Tolbert took 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.280 advantage of those opportunities and he was there to you know, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.159 fill in. Brandon Cooks was there as a strong mentor 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.080 for him, and he took that into year three and 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.520 had a good year. I mean forty nine receptions, six 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.760 and ten yards, seven touchdowns. I think if you told 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.920 any of us at the start of the season, hey, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:00.640 this is what Jayalen Tolbert is going to produced. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:01.639 You'd be happy with that. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.680 The question is, how is this his ceiling or does 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.720 he have a little bit more to push through for 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.120 this is the last year of his rookie contract, so 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.560 in my opinion, he would either need a repeat performance 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.720 of twenty twenty four or probably a little bit more 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:17.639 to ensure that he has a shot at being a 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.560 wide receiver three down the line. But I think there 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.359 are things to like. He improved his route tree, he 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.600 showed that he can do multiple things. Last season, he 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.399 improved in the contested catch department last season, which they 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.920 tested him on multiple times, especially with Cooper Rush, which 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.000 I found interesting. They put trust in his hands, and 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.120 I think about the Pittsburgh Steelers game, right, I put 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:36.520 a lot of trust in his hands on that fourth 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.800 down to be able to win the game for him, 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.760 and certainly he was able to do so. He played 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.760 in all seventeen games. He hasn't had injury issues in 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.959 his last two years. He's a reliable guy. But you 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.200 wonder how close is he to his ceiling. I don't 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.000 think I have the answer to that. I think that's 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:52.760 gonna have to be something that Jalen Toldward answers in 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:53.440 twenty twenty five. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.920 Yeah, I think Nick's got him right. The thing about 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.160 it that I was just hoping for more consistency. I'd 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.280 see the Pittsburgh game and you saw the ability to 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.040 make some big plays. It just feels like with this 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.400 player that you see one really outstanding game and then 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.919 you wait for him for two three other games to 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.080 kind of do things. And you know, consistency sounds like 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.320 it just a cop out word. In this case, it 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.080 probably is, and I feel terrible about it, but it 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.080 really is true. With this player. I mean, you do 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.760 you see flashes of absolute brilliance as a player, and 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.280 then that just tends to kind of fade away, and 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.440 you know, you don't, you know, get it back for 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.359 maybe a couple of weeks. Like I said, So, you know, 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.960 if if you could find a way to make that work, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.199 then I think that it will all be very very happy. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.480 But you know, we I think the bar for me 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.680 was set very high. I mean, he was a really 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.399 good player coming out of South Alabama. I don't think 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.639 I've seen the same player at times. I have, but 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.679 I just haven't seen that consistency. And I hate to 0:19:57.760 --> 0:19:59.920 not have a better word for you or a better description, 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.520 but that's really where I look at the player I 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.560 look at. Someone says, tell me about Joanato, I say, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.119 just a lack of consistency. That's I think the biggest 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.120 problem with him right now. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.760 Yeah, at this point in his career, you would be 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.320 expecting a little more. And I hate to keep repeating 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.280 the word, but I agree with you guys on the 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.600 word consistency. Year one, you could cut him some slack 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.600 on how he reacted to that, and he came back 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.560 year two, got better in the when you compare to 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.840 his first year coming here to Dallas. But his game 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.800 just exactly what Brian said. You said, you see those 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.200 plays that you know he can do it, he's got it, 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.800 but then it disappears and then you don't see it again. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:44.240 So you just get a very small flash of excitement. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.600 But then again, with the way that the play calling 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.720 was happening last year, I think there's some sense there 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.239 that I had that with Mike McCarthy and what he 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.760 was doing with the offense, I don't think it necessarily 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.760 benefited his game in a way that he could find 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.720 better success there. But at the same time, when he 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.480 did get those chances, I don't think he was able 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.480 to fully capitalize on them. 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.000 When you look at at Jalen Tolbert, obviously this year 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:17.880 he was the guy that was kind of the guy 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.920 right behind Ceedee Lamb that because because Cooks was out 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.040 for a significant amount of time. When you look at 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.840 someone like Jonathan Mingo and the Cowboys trading for him, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.200 or do you think he fits What are the things 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.119 you saw from him this last year that make you 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.199 say maybe he has a shot at being in the 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.920 mix this year, or I just don't see it. What 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.160 are the things you're seeing right now from Jonathan Mingo? 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.400 Kind of felt like a red shirt year for him. 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.760 And the staff will tell you the same thing. I mean, 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.359 you ask Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Brian Schottenheimer about Jonathan 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.760 Mingo this offseason, it's always like, yeah, we got him 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.280 in late, We're gonna give him full off season and 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:53.320 see what he can provide this year. 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:54.080 We're excited about it. 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.560 And so it's like, yeah, disregard everything that happened, even 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.600 though he played half a season, and you know they'll 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.920 they'll try to find a role for him moving forward. 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:03.760 I mean, he played in eight games, he only had 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.159 five receptions for forty six yards, and he's still searching 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.760 for his first NFL touchdown. I mean, regardless, he has 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.560 not been the second round pick that Carolina selected a couple. 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:12.040 Of years ago. 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:13.760 I don't. 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.639 I Mingo is a guy that you don't plan to 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.000 step into a feature role. But if he does, great, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.479 But if he doesn't, you still go get a receiver 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.640 early in this draft to accompany that, because you're you're 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.080 not betting on that. He hasn't been the guy that 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:30.480 he was at Ole Miss. As far as like the 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:34.760 big play machine, you know, having those big yards per reception, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.480 having the contested catch situations. He just hasn't been putting 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.600 those positions. You know, maybe that's what Dallas would like 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.600 to seek from him. This preseason and preseason will be 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.920 huge for him. But I think this is more so like, hey, 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.720 we got this year. If it doesn't work out, oh well, 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.879 if it does, then you know, will look great. But 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.200 I'm not banking, honestly on Jonathan Mingo being a future 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:53.960 role in this offense. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.159 Yeah. I think what's gonna happen is we're gonna get 0:22:56.200 --> 0:23:00.000 into these pre draft meetings, you know, the media availability 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.439 for pre draft, and Nick is going to ask a 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.760 really good question about the wide receivers, and the first 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.120 person they're going to talk about is Mingo. That's going too. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.000 You know, there there's a there is a there's a 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.400 group in that room that really do believe in him. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.159 They had him as a high second round grade on 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.520 their board. They you know, if you watch him play, 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.560 there's been some problems of getting him the football. You know, 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.040 that's that's been a big, big issue, and there's been 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.160 times where you know, he has not had the opportunities 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.879 and when he's had the opportunities, he just the quarterbacks 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.280 just have not done a very good job of getting 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.040 him the ball. But they're going to tell you that, hey, 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.280 we love his size, we love his athletic ability, We 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.439 thought himenough of him as a college player to make 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.480 a trade for him. We feel like this will be 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:45.720 a good year for him. They're going to sell him, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.040 you know, and we're we're going to stand there and 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:49.879 we're all going to nod our head and say okay, 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.000 And you know, it'll be another one of those things 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.640 like Tolbert and some of the others that they've said before. 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.119 You know, this doesn't keep me from drafting somebody in 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.480 this draft at twelve. They could play wider because that person, 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.159 whoever they pick, will immediately go to the head of 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:08.879 the class. And we can all talk about the Jonathan Mingoes, 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.520 and we could talk about the Tollbird and Adams and 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:14.600 Florinay and all those guys. They know they need to 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.360 go get a legitimate guy, and that's why I think 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.480 they're in the situation they are with Mingo. They'll tell 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.280 us about him, but it's one of those things that 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.040 they know they have to get better. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:24.399 If the season started today. 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:29.320 With the receiving core that they have, I'd be putting 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:31.760 Mingo at wide receiver five. I'd be putting him behind 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.960 Tolbert Turpin and Jalen Brooks. As far as what I 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:36.480 would expect from production out of him. 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.000 Dang well, I see it differently. I'm actually very intrigued 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.359 to see Mingo a lot more of him because I 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:47.560 thought that on the little amount of opportunities he got 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.959 last year, they weren't getting him the ball. One thing 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.520 that excited me during that time of the season was 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.919 when you watch his game, he will be where he 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.560 needs to be. He would find a way get open 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.479 and get there, but then they couldn't throw him the 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.600 ball ride or there were a couple of instances that 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.680 it was on him to be fair. But at the 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:12.800 same time, I thought that if you get him a 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:17.040 better quarterback with more accuracy happening there in, a better 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.040 play caller and all of that into the mix, I 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.040 think he can be a lot better and be actually 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.280 productive a lot more than wide receiver number five. I 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.679 think he could be thrown in there, not to be 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.280 the mega superstar or anything, but to be someone that 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.960 you can rely on throughout the game. 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:37.960 So yeah, I think it actually became a bit of 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.400 a joke. I know, me and Amber and Nick sit 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.880 by each other during Nikki, and it became a bit 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.280 of a joke at one point where we were saying, like, 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:46.919 are they ever going to throw him a ball he 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.280 actually has a chance of catching because there were so 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.320 many times he was open, ball went behind him, ball 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:53.040 was over his head. 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:54.120 It was just it was. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.160 Happening free happening at Carolina too. 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.000 Yeah, it happened so frequently, And that was also part 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.080 of the part of the I guess is like, can 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.160 this guy in the NFL, can he get a quarterback 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.719 that actually will throw him the ball because there were 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.080 opportunities when he was open and he just wasn't getting 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.000 a fair chance to make a play on the ball. 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.440 And I think I agree with that from you, Amber, 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.000 I don't know that I think he's he's ready to assume. 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.760 Nor should the Cowboys go into this year expecting him 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.080 to be their number two receiver or number three receiver. 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.639 I think they should see what he can do in 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.280 training camp. But my expectation is that given an opportunity 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.359 with a more accurate quarterback, I think he can be 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.959 better than what he's been to this point in his career. 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:33.560 I'm interested to see if that can help. 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.280 And I will say this too, I like what he 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.200 does from a blocking standpoint. If you're going to be 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:38.600 a team that's gonna run the ball as much as 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.400 they say they're going to run the ball, you're gonna 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.240 need that on the perimeter. I think he'll be a 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:43.840 valueblastt from that standpoint. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.200 We could put Zach Martin's number on him and he could. 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:47.240 Get a little tackle. 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.600 There you go, there you go, hey real quick though, 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:51.879 And this is this is more on the on the 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.960 draft side. There are two names at receiver that that 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.600 I keep hearing as first round possible guys that the 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.960 Cowboys could take. Tech McMillan and Matthew Golden. You guys 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:04.480 have a preference between those two or if you have 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.760 another receiver outside of Travis Hunter, obviously that's a first 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.400 round type guy that you think the Cowboys should really 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:12.520 be looking at if they're on the board at that 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:13.760 first pick at number twelve. 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.159 My preference is Tech McMillan. He's the only true receiver 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.440 that I have with the first round grade. I see 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.360 this guy as a Michael Thomas type of weapon here 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:26.040 at the NFL level, elite possession skills, long, big frame. 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:28.879 I do wonder how he would stack up in the 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.280 twenty three guys, just because the twenty three receiver class 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:32.840 was so loaded, But I still think he would end 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.360 up being a top fifteen pick in that class, and 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.800 I think he lands in the same range this time around. 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.240 He was a guy that was the number one volleyball 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.320 player in the country coming out of high school because 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:48.280 of his vertical ability at Yan him being Hawaii, and 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.399 he definitely has the volleyball in his blood. But I 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.960 covered him at Anaheim Servid High School when he was 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.000 when he was coming to high school. Yeah, this is 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.040 the perfect class. The next year of even more perfect. 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.680 I'm just lucky, and to be honest, but he has 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:04.840 had the same quarterback since early high school, which I 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.440 think is fascinating. I think that might be one period 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.320 of you know, transition that he'll have here at the 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.520 NFL level. But everything I know about this kid is 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.520 that he's intentional. He's at the facility, first one in, 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.440 last one out. He's one of the guys you want 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.639 to have in a locker room and you pair that 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.480 with his skill. I think he has shown that he 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.840 has long speed based on what he did at his 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.440 own individual pro day. He had a couple of games 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.040 this year where he was able to get vertical and 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.840 beat some faster corners over the top and create some 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:34.760 explosion plays. 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:36.040 I'm a tech McMillan guy. 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.040 He makes fifty to fifty balls eighty twenty, he does, 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.560 and he hasn't made. The Cowboys have not had a 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.320 true possession receiver like this since Des Bryant, and I 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:45.760 think this would be a perfect pick at twelve. 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.400 If he's got Chris Beam with the b roll. 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.200 No, he's got them all for sure, you know, since 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.280 he focused. I do love McMillan. I agree with that. 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.680 I'll tell you about Golden then Golden was to transfer 0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.320 from Houston. This guy is explosive, He's dynamic, can play 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.880 all the receiver positions. He does a really nice job 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:06.800 separating through coverage with his ability to accelerate out of 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.480 his breaks. He does a fine job of selling routes. 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.360 There's some questions about him as a route runner. You 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.160 could see the fear of God in cornerbacks when they 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.040 play this guy, especially off and he's closing cushion and 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.880 then he sells that route. He can go up the field, 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.120 he can come back for the ball, he can drive 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.760 the defenders off. He's played outside, he plays you see 0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.400 right here, he's played in the slot. It's you know, 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.640 he's It's just allowed him to become a small, skilled receiver. 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:36.560 He could shift gears quickly in space. He can click 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.760 off really nice gains. You watch him in the playoff 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.320 games down the stretch, and he was a big factor 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.200 in why Texas was able to advance as far as 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.840 they did. You know, quinn Ewers is a guy that 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.160 sometimes can get you the ball and sometimes he can't 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.600 get you the ball. But this guy was would do 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.560 a great job of going up and getting it. You 0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.280 talk about McMillan is one of the best receivers in 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.000 the country on those Knick's right, eighty twenty is exactly 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.120 right because he's gonna go get it. But this guy 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.440 is right up there with with Millan McMillan when it 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.720 comes to going up and getting the football at its 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:10.400 highest point. 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.400 Fourth and thirteen, baby, yep, fourth and thirteen, go back to. 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.000 This guy's a big time player. You know, the Texas 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.280 people will tell you and Derek will tell you too 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.480 that everybody was talking about Bond, Bond, Bond, but then 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.280 you watch the tape and you're like, well, who's this 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:23.800 number two? 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.760 And early in the season, Bond was the guy. As 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:28.920 the season war on, right, Golden became the man. 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:30.960 Golden became much more of a a more of a 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.120 guy for them. But yeah, he will go up. He 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.960 tracks the ball. Well, you know, he is a he's 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.000 a big time player. And you know, if you follow 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:40.680 the list of thirty visit stuff. So I know, we 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.240 don't really get into that much, you know, on this show, 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.480 but you know they're bringing in all these guys, these 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:48.280 wide receivers, so they're clearly hunting the guy. 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:48.600 Yep. 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.280 All right, we're gona take our final break. When we 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.120 come back, we'll dive a little bit into the tight 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.600 end position. 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I think it was a question that you 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.440 posed Danber of what we thought of Jake Ferguson and 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.640 whether we thought he had a down year. I think 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:10.000 everybody across the table pretty much agreed that they didn't 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.839 think he had his best year. That being concerned, how 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.200 concerned are you with the overall help of the tight 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.359 end position at this point? 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.520 Yeah, it's an interesting position group because I think you 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.520 could look at it on one hand and say, hey, 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.480 it doesn't need addressing. You have Jake Ferguson, He's going 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.279 to be fully healthy going into twenty twenty five. 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.960 He has depth. You finally have blockers in that room too. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:29.640 It could work out. 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.960 Then, on the other hand, you could see how there's 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.000 a potential for that room to get really thin, really 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.520 quick by just one guy getting injured during the season. 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.800 So I don't know, this is not a position I 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.120 would foresee, you know, spending a draft pick on maybe 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.839 late in the draft. I could see it late Day three, like, hey, 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.680 you have one of these six seventh round compensatory picks, 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:51.080 but Jake Ferguson is still your tight end one. I 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:54.400 don't think he's done anything to relinquish that role, but 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:56.440 you do you would like to see him either return 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.319 to his twenty twenty three production or uptick that into 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.080 twenty twenty five, and a fully healthy dok Prescott will help. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.000 But you know, when you take into context Jake Ferguson, 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.160 you have to take into context the Week one injury 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:09.719 he suffered the knees brain against Cleveland kept him out 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.840 a couple of weeks, and then the concussion that he 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.520 suffered in the middle of the season that was tough 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.120 on him. So he just battled various things throughout the year, 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.920 and you know, as more tight ends got involved in 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.080 the in the offense, and you know what was Schoonmaker's role. 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.640 One week's Schoonmaker's not playing any snaps. The next week 0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.200 he's starting and looks good, and so he's out of 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:31.319 the doghouse. I think just consistency for Luke Schoonmaker will 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:31.759 be big too. 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:36.560 Yeah, it really for Ferguson, here's the word consistency again. 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.280 But you look at what happening against me. He comes 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.160 back in week three against the Ravens, and you know, 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.880 he put up big numbers, six catches for ninety five yards. 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.120 A couple of weeks later they're playing Pittsburgh, he has 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.680 six catches for seventy yards. And then from that point 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.560 on it really really was a struggle. Yes, the targets 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.720 were not as much as we've seen in the past. 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.640 You know, for him, he went from a guy that 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.439 was kind of a double digit target guy. Guy maybe 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.600 got seven eight targets, and then it became more like 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.000 three and two and four. You know, it was just 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.879 not as many and and uh, you know, the level 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.520 of play just kind of just kind of faded off. 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.520 And then while he was out, you know, Luke Schoonmaker 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.000 was able. That I think was the positive thing that 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.359 Luke Schoonmaker did show, like that he was able to 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.399 handle the role when when given that opportunity, Is Luke 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:32.120 Schoonmaker going to replace Jake Ferguson. I think that's probably 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.359 not the case right now, but you know, yeah, they 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:39.680 they they need to figure out what happened to Jake Ferguson, 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.280 and like, let's say the stuff the time that he missed, 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.880 you know, was was key. He was banged up, but 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.880 they need to get his targets back up because the 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.080 player that the player that we saw against the Ravens, 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:53.640 even though that was you know, a game that was 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.000 very close at the end, you know, you know, it 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.680 could have you know, I could say the Cowboys could 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.000 have found a way there. But he had a really 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.440 good game against a very very good defense, and I 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.359 think that's the kind of player Pittsburgh the same way, 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.000 good defense, and he had a very good game, so 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.560 very very capable that they need to kind of unlock 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.840 why we didn't see more of those. 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:17.400 I think Jake will have a better season than what 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.200 it was last year. I mean, you talk about him 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.560 and you mentioned that video. You see him working out 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.640 and then he's recovering and all of that. So I 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.120 expect him to be in full health once the season 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.680 starts and him to be able to contribute a lot 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.440 more and get back to that football shape that he 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.960 was the year prior, where you saw a guy that 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:43.360 was super utilized on the offense. And it was odd 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:47.080 to me that last year, Mike McCarthy, he wasn't really 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.719 getting much help from the tight ends, like really utilizing 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:53.480 that to their advantage. In years that you see in 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.480 like Dak Prescott when he was in there, he always 0:37:56.680 --> 0:38:01.520 finds some comfort in tight ends. I don't know, I 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.279 do expect him to be better. And also with Luke, 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.040 what is this year three that he's going into third season? 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.759 I thought he improved last year from what he was 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.000 his rookie season, and I know he dealt with some 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.560 injuries that the first year, So I think that he's 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:24.400 continuously what's the word. Yeah, I guess I was looking 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.120 for a more fancier, like a fancier word. But he's 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.839 consistently getting better, which you love to see. But now 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:36.160 he needs to take a bigger step and make that jump. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.719 But I think he can still contribute. I agree with 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.919 Nick and like, you need somebody else to come in here, 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.680 because if you say Jake is out for the season 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:52.520 or whatever reason, then you start, hey, you start really 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:53.560 getting worried there. 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.520 Yeah, you hope you get a full season of John 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.360 Stevens and I coming off of back to back ACLS, 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.000 you can really only expect so much. And he's been 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.799 a camp he roll these last two years and that's 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:02.799 but that's basically been it. 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:04.359 But you hope you can see him on the field 0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:04.719 a little bit. 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.200 What can he bring from a receiving standpoint, because you 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.359 have your two blocking tight ends and Luke Schoonmaker and 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.399 Brevin span Ford. You know what can John Stevens bring 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.759 you in the receiving department? You'd hope you have that 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.400 at least to fall back on if there was a 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:18.440 Jake Ferguson injury. 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.480 What what is it that Schoonmaker needs to do or 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.560 could do that would elevate him beyond where he is 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:25.000 right now. 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.319 I know last year run after catch that were good, 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:28.080 but at that catch. 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.400 Yeah, the guy if you if you look at his numbers, 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:35.359 he's generally a two for two, four for four, six 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.720 for six. He's six for six for fifty six yards. 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.839 You know, the thing that makes Jake Ferguson so inviting 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.760 is a run after catch like is he's bouncing off guys, 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.080 jumping over guys, spinning off guys. 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.239 Really is taken by the down by the first guy there. 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.640 Yeah, that's what I'm saying with Luke schoon Maker. You 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.200 do get receptions, you do you know the hands, you know, 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.520 early in his career he there's probably some pro albums there. 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.080 There was a couple of seam passes that went off 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.000 his hands, and Dak is one of the better seam throwers. 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:06.200 In the league. 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.000 But I think that Luke Schoonmaker has shown that he's 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.239 capable now of catching the football. But the thing that's 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:16.000 different between him and Jake Ferguson is run after catch, 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.319 So when you get the opportunity if you get six 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.960 targets to make six catches have more than fifty six yards, 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.200 you know. I think that's the biggest difference. That's the 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.920 thing he can improve on. Can he can he improve 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.880 on his quickness, his agility and his ability to break tackles. 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.759 This team's going to be a good heavy run team, 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.080 as we suspect they will be. How capable is this 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.200 tight end group of providing what they need as blockers? 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.319 We've talked a lot about what they can do as 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.120 pass catchers, but as blockers, are they capable of being 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:47.120 what this team will need? 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:48.320 I think they're capable. 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.160 And this is probably where the Mike McCarthy influence kind 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.799 of still has residual effect, just because he was very 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.920 emphatic on having these tight ends on the field all 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.520 the time and especially in run blocking situations. They have 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.560 the reps to be a young room. They do have 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.480 the reps in the run blocking category. Jake Ferguson has 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.120 gotten better as a run blocker and he's three seasons. 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.600 Luke Schoonmaker brought in to do that and he's done 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:13.400 well with that. There's at times he's been you know, 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.600 off his assignment, but you look at the back half 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.200 of twenty twenty four and what he was able to 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.640 do in that department was great. Brevin span Ford, he 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.040 earned a roster spot because of that. They even throw 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.239 a hunterd lip in situations where he can be a 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.640 tight end run blocker in some areas too. I don't 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:29.920 I don't have concerns about this this room right now 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:31.520 as far as being able to run block, whereas a 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.080 year ago I would have said, yeah, I'm a little 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.279 I'm a little worried about it. And that's a credit 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.080 to Lunda Wells, and that's a credit to Mike McCarthy 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:37.919 at the end of the day too. 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.120 Yeah, I totally agree with it because if you're looking 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.759 for that run blocking tight end, and I guarantee you 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.600 Nick's looked at a thousand players, so he's probably got 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.279 a run blocking tight end in his arsenal there. 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.000 But enough for you. 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:53.080 Yeah, the majority of these guys, like you say, there's 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.520 another Ferguson in this draft at Oregon. I mean they've 0:41:55.520 --> 0:42:00.840 got Arroyo from Miami, They've got guys Fanning Helm from Texas. 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:03.920 You know, these are guys that are more conducive to 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:06.799 catching the ball than they are blocking. So you know, 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.440 the development of a blocking group is going to have 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.760 to come. I think within this, within these. 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:15.720 Walls, and I think it will. I mean, I thought 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:19.320 I the whole blocking I did think it improved since 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:23.440 the year prior. And when you look at you mentioned Lunda, 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.399 who was it? I mentioned Lunda? You mentioned Lunda Nick 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:31.720 and he's what the only guy that remained here from 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:37.120 the prior regime other than Scottenheimer getting promoted to head coach. 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.879 So that tells you something. I thought that a lot 0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.360 of these younger guys, even though it's not at the 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:48.160 level where we all really feel super confident, it's still 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.880 you saw a lot of improvement. And we got to 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.040 keep in mind these guys are still really young, like 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:58.120 they're still in their first second heading into their third 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.759 year in the NFL. This this is the year where 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.760 they need to all take that for the next step. 0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:08.400 But again, I'm putting youth into account. I'm putting into Okay, 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.280 last year, I did see some development. I didn't see 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:16.320 regression from anybody other than Jake Ferguson due to injury, 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.080 and we talked about that already, So I think that 0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.440 this year this group should look a lot better. 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.600 Scheme will help. If they're going to pin and pull 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.080 and stuff and angle block and things like that, and 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.000 they don't have to fight guys one on one, they'll 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:31.680 be better at run blocking as a group. 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:33.799 I got one for you, Jackson Hawes out of Georgia Tech. 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:35.040 Now's there's your run block. 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:36.279 I knew, I knew you had a guy. 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:36.880 What round? 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.400 I think you get up seventh, potentially undrafted, but I 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:40.839 think he's the best run blocking guy in the draft 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:41.680 as far as tight ends go. 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.719 And if you gets HWS literally all he does h 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:49.319 A W E S yes, yeah six. I will say 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.080 this based on what we've seen two thousand dollars for him, 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:54.879 I would expect that this tight end group is probably 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.200 one of the groups the Cowboys least worried about. 0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.520 When you just talk about personnel and bodies that they have. 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.000 I think they feel pretty good. They should feel pretty 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.160 good about the tight end position. 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:03.439 Sure. 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:04.879 All in all, all right, appreciate you guys. 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:05.120 Jones. 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.160 We're back next Wednesday. We're heading it into the draft. 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:09.480 We got two weeks before. 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:09.839 UH. 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.040 The draft will begin on Thursday night. UH so next 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:14.640 week we'll do a little bit of time. 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