1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Yes? 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: It's time for the Break on. 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, April ninth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one, 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 4: episode number five. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 4: We're life and that's of UBC Mortgage Studios at the 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: Star presented by LGLG is the world's number one O 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 4: led TV brand for eleven years in counting cyd at, 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: LG dot com, Fort slash O, led Evo. And speaking 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: of LG, we got some surprises that are be coming 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: up here in the next few weeks. 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 5: Maybe uh it's one of LB not being able to 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 5: get my chair up there. 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: We go, all right, sorry, go ahead, Well LG does 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: not make the chair. 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 4: But I'm just saying we've gotta have some surprises for 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 4: our listeners, so you've got to stay tuned for that. 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: LG is is they're thinking about stepping up in a 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: big way. 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 6: We're gonna have some trait it out. 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: I will not tell you because it isn't finalized. We're 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: working on some stuff. 30 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 6: I'm just gonna say on here there, okay. 31 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can always use on one, O, five, do 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: three the thing right? 33 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, don't be giving fake promises on here. Okay. 34 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: When do I get fake promises, I will. 35 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 6: We'll see ask again next week. Don't worry, guys. I 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 6: will keep on top of this. I will keep him 37 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 6: to what he just said, stay. 38 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 4: On top of it, all right. Appreciate you guys joining 39 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 4: us today. We got a few things we're going to 40 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: talk about. We're going to continue our series on positions today. 41 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the wide receiver position. If 42 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: we have time, we'll get into the tight end position 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: as well. Before we do that, though, I did want 44 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: to catch up on a trade that was made after 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: our show last week. Cowboys get a quarterback in Joe Milton. 46 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: They gave up a compensatory one of their compensatory fifth 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 4: round picks, the one under and seventy first pick overall. 48 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: They received back a seventh round pick, two hundred and 49 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: seventeenth overall. And obviously got Joe Milton added to their roster. 50 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 4: Let's start, Brian, give me a give me a scatter report. 51 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 4: If you were just looking at this guy and giving 52 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 4: a scattering report, what would you say are his greatest 53 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: strengths greatest weaknesses. 54 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 7: This guy's got an incredibly strong arm. And in this 55 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 7: draft Nick Harrison and I will tell you about the 56 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 7: when Jalen Milroe and the guy like that that has mobility, 57 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 7: maybe not the mobility of Milroe, but when you start 58 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 7: to talk about the arm talent, the arm strength, there 59 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 7: has always been some kind of some questions, you know, 60 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 7: where does he throw the ball too hard? Does he 61 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 7: have touch? Because he able to do all those things. 62 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 7: You know, you watch him on tape. You watch him 63 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 7: the last game that he you know, he got to 64 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 7: play against the Buffalo Bills where he was he was 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 7: brought into the game. He played exceptionally well. The pocket, mobility, 66 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 7: the awareness. You watch him some in the preseason, and 67 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 7: you know, you see these things. Joe Milton is a 68 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 7: very very talented player. When I look at you know, 69 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 7: my board. If you're talking about fifth round guys, you know, 70 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean, that's that's the thing I 71 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 7: look at, I go, I don't know if Riley Leonard 72 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 7: can play. I don't know this, you know. I mean 73 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 7: there's things that you can you can kind of take from, 74 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 7: you know, watching the college tape and then watching also 75 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 7: what Joe Milton and watching what they gave up. Here's 76 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 7: my hope if you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, that Ken 77 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 7: Dorsey at one time who's on staff now, you know, 78 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 7: worked with Josh Allen who had some issues strong arm, 79 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 7: maybe some maybe some accurate issues, accuracy issues. That's my 80 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 7: hope right there for if you're a Cowboy fan, is 81 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 7: that in fact that Ken Dorsey can come in. This guy, 82 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 7: he's I think the mechanics need to be kind of 83 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 7: worked with a little bit. He really strides into his 84 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 7: throats and I think that's why he has the the 85 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 7: arm talent that he does the ball sometimes behind guys 86 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 7: a little bit needs to put it out in front. 87 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 7: But but Ken Dorsey did did wonderful things the first 88 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 7: couple of years, uh, you know, with Josh Allen, and 89 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 7: hopefully that he could potentially do the same thing with 90 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 7: Joe Milton. And I think that if they if they 91 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 7: can kind of correct some of those things, the mechanical 92 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 7: things with this throwing motion that I think you might 93 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 7: hit on a guy here for a very minimal pick. 94 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: When you look at at what he is and the 95 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 4: fact that he hasn't played a lot of football in 96 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 4: the NFL. Do you think right now, based on where 97 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 4: he is, that he's the guy that Cowboys are bringing 98 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 4: in for developmental purposes or do you think he's actually 99 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 4: the guy that's going to be lined up to jump 100 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: in if Dak should be out for any amount of 101 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 4: time next season. 102 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be a little bit of both, right. 103 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: I think On one hand, the Cowboys and Brian Schottenheimer, 104 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: they did say throughout the offseason that they want to 105 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: get younger behind Dak Prescott. They want to have a 106 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: young developmental guy. That was kind of the idea in 107 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: bringing in Trey Lance didn't quite pan out. He's now 108 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: with the Chargers, signed last week, but you know they're 109 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: looking onto their next guy and trying to find another 110 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: developmental guy that they could potentially usher in if and 111 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: when Dak eventually does call it quits. And so you 112 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: know you have a guy in Joe Milton that is 113 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: still a project in a lot of different ways. Yes, 114 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: you see that game that he had against Buffalo in 115 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: the season finale last year, and he looked great. He flashed, 116 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: he showed a arm strength, he showed a lucidness from 117 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: the pocket. That's one of my most favorite traits of 118 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: Joe Milton, his ability to escape pressure and throw on 119 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 3: the run. But he was playing against Bill's backups. You 120 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: probably saw Kyrie Elam on the field. I mean there 121 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: was some other sorry, there was some other Bills players 122 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: on the field that hadn't been getting much playing time 123 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: throughout the season. So you know, you take that for 124 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: what it is, but you also factor in, Hey, he's 125 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: gonna have a full preseason, he's gonna have a full 126 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: training camp of work. I just I worry in one instance, 127 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: if say this team is ten and three, Dak goes 128 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: down and they need Joe Milton to finish the season. 129 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's something that would make you 130 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: feel warm and fuzzy. Now, granted, you wouldn't feel warm 131 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: and fuzzy if it was Cooper Rush, but I think 132 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: you would still feel better if it was a guy 133 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: like Cooper Rush. But I understand the thought process behind 134 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: getting a young quarterback in the building because let's say 135 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: that happens in twenty twenty six, then Joe Milton might 136 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: be in a better spot at that point than Cooper 137 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: Rush maybe ever would have been. So I understand the 138 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: thought process behind the Cowboys. You know, signing Joe Milton. 139 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: You don't plan, you don't hope for a Dak Prescott injury, 140 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: but you have to plan for it. In the same instance, 141 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of hope that they 142 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: at least get one full year of Dak before they 143 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: will need Joe Milton's spot start a game or two 144 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: throughout a regular season. 145 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 6: Well, you still have Will Greer on the team. I mean, 146 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 6: I know not many people get excited about that, but 147 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 6: I was pretty excited on that last game he had 148 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 6: here in that preseason game when Dak was the one 149 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 6: coach in him. So I think there's some more stuff 150 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 6: that he can show the Cowboys. But at the same time, 151 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 6: with a guy like Milton, he even though he likes 152 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 6: the experience, what you've seen from him, especially in that game, 153 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 6: it gives you some hope. It gives you like something 154 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 6: that you can work with and develop. I think it's 155 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 6: a good I thought it was a good trade for 156 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 6: the Cowboys, and I think he can bring a lot 157 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 6: of stuff new here, but also his his personality. When 158 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 6: you look at a guy like him and you see 159 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 6: him talk, he has just this freshness to him. He's 160 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: ready to come in here and work and just has 161 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 6: a different aura that you know, you're you want to now. 162 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 6: I'm excited to see him and what he can bring. 163 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 6: And he says all the right the right things, so 164 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 6: we'll see what he does. 165 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 7: To quote a guy a longtime NFL coach Tom Moore, 166 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 7: when asked about what do they do if Peyton Manning 167 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 7: goes down, they say, we don't work on F You know, 168 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 7: that's Tom Moore's quote. I would like to use the 169 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 7: word that Tom Moore us, but I can't do it 170 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 7: on But Tom Moore said, we don't work on FT 171 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 7: and so I understand where Nick's coming from, though I'm 172 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 7: just having some fun with him right now. But yeah, 173 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 7: your hope is that that Joe Milton can come in 174 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 7: and and work. And I totally understand Nick's concerned if 175 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 7: the guy's you know, if you're ten and three, you know, 176 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 7: can Joe Milton find a way to win you a 177 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 7: couple of games? If not then you know what, then 178 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 7: they'll have to rethink the quarterbacks said situation going forward 179 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 7: in the future. 180 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: And I'm glad you mentioned Will Greer and bar I 181 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: think there's going to be four quarterbacks that camp. I 182 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: think you'll see an undrafted quarterback too. I think they 183 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: want to increase the competition at that position behind Dak 184 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: Prescott as much as possible. And you're right, Joe Milton 185 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: is not the assumed backup. You know, he's going to 186 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: have to earn that role. He's going to have to 187 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: beat out Will Greer. I think he will, but I 188 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if there's an undrafted guy that gets 189 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: thrown in the mix. 190 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: Too well playing against the Bill's backups and what he 191 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: did there. If he does at this preseason, and my 192 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: guess is he's probably going to be the guy that 193 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: they tab as the backup, but it will be it 194 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: will remain to be seen whether if Dak goes down, 195 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: he's capable of being able to handle that, because that 196 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 4: is a big responsibility when you're talking about starting quarterback 197 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 4: in the NFL during the regular season. 198 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: So we'll see how that all plays out. 199 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 4: One other thing that just popped up about Dak talking 200 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: about the quarterback position. I saw a video that Jacob 201 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: Ferguson put up and he said, I think he said 202 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: it tongue in cheek, Dak is down fifty pounds. I 203 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: don't think that. 204 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: There's no way because I think he's twenty. 205 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 4: A's where he's listed on the on the two thirty eight, 206 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: maybe something like that. Something in the two twenties, I 207 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 4: would guess. 208 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: I would guess twenties. 209 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, but if he's down fifty pounds, that would be 210 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 4: really really small. He's not that, But the fact is 211 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 4: he is looking a little lighter. My question for you guys, 212 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: and I think this is one of the things I'm 213 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 4: trying to figure out how. 214 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 6: I think good or right? 215 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: Is it good? 216 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: A fact? Because when you start thinking about it, it's like, 217 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 4: if you're lighter, are you more mobile? 218 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: Are you that's flexible? If you're heavier, can you absorb 219 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: more hits? Which one's better? 220 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 7: Dak was always a guy that I believed in when 221 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 7: he first started that he had the body armor to 222 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 7: take the wear and tear, and we always One of 223 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 7: my lines about him was when Dak is bloodied and muddy, 224 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 7: that's when he's playing at his absolute best. We're getting 225 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 7: to a point now where Dak doesn't need to be 226 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 7: bloodied and muddied anymore. But the questions are about his mobility. 227 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 7: And these were questions that were even brought up when 228 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy, you know, was still the head coach and 229 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 7: he and Jerry Jones and the conversations that they had 230 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 7: along the way. You know, are we dealing with a 231 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 7: quarterback that has lost some of his mobility because of 232 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 7: some of the horrific injuries that he's had, you know, 233 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 7: to his lower body. And with that being said, the 234 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 7: best way to be more mobile and I even you know, 235 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 7: and Nick and I maybe will disagree on this on 236 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 7: when we talk about the draft is Shador Sanders. If 237 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 7: you watch Shador Sanders at Jackson State, he looks like 238 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 7: a lighter player, Yes, Jackson State competing against Wax schools, 239 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 7: but still the mobility you could see him moving around 240 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 7: better him Now, you know, in the Big twelve, he 241 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 7: looks like a bigger body guy and there's going to 242 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 7: be a point in time where he's probably going to 243 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 7: someone's going to tell him, hey, you slim the scene down. 244 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 7: Your mobility will approve I think Dak's doing the same things. 245 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 7: He realizes that he doesn't have the flexibility and the 246 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 7: mobility that he once had. How do you try and 247 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 7: combat that? Weight loss seems to be the best way. 248 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And also weight loss can be a little deceiving 249 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: at times too. Is does he look slimmer, Absolutely, yeah, 250 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: but he also a little bit stockier, so that that 251 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: weight could have just been reapplied with muscles. There's a 252 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: whole science behind it. But I more so saw about 253 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: ten pounds off of Dak. And if that's the case, 254 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: he's listed at two thirty eight, so you know, if 255 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: he's down ten pounds, he's around two twenty five. That's 256 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 3: pretty average for NFL quarterbacks. 257 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 6: Also, when you make that much money and when you 258 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 6: work around here working for them and for an NFL team, 259 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 6: you have to trust that they know what they're doing. 260 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 6: I mean, all the people that he has around him 261 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 6: in coaching and directing him and training him the right way. Again, 262 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 6: he's recovering from that injury, so that has been a 263 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 6: process as well. He hasn't initially remembering be able to 264 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 6: work out the way that he used to as he 265 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 6: was recovering from that. So I think we'll see, and 266 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 6: I just I trust the process. I don't know how 267 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 6: mobile he will be when once the season gets here. 268 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 6: I mean, if last season was any indicative of how 269 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 6: that could be in the future. I don't have many 270 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 6: hopes in that regards when he comes to his mobility 271 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 6: and ability to run anymore. But hopefully whatever weight he 272 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 6: has is for the best. 273 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: On the DAK Mobility conversation, his most mobile season, quote 274 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: unquote was twenty eighteen by far. It was pre injuries. 275 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: It was pre leg injury. He was the third year 276 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: in the league, so he's feeling comfortable whenever he had 277 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: that post leg injury. And still in the Kellimore offense, 278 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 3: they dialed it back big time, and I think there 279 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: was still a level to Dax game that he felt 280 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: like he could tap into from that mobility standpoint. So 281 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: when Mike McCarthy took over the offense, they kind of 282 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: blended ideas. It's like, hey, let me take this to 283 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: myself at times, and you know, they pushed the limit. 284 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 5: They pushed the limit. 285 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: They maybe saw where that limit was with Atlanta, and 286 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: now it's like trying to figure out the body, Okay, 287 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: what can the body withstand within this same exact offensive philosophy, 288 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: because I expect the mobility to still carry over into 289 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, which is a little bit more caution, 290 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: how does that look that looks and maybe reforming the 291 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: body in certain instances. And you know, he was on 292 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: pace to have his second highest rushing total of his 293 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: career last season before the injury, so you know there's 294 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: certainly an intention behind getting him more mobile. 295 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 5: We like him when he's more mobile from an. 296 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: Evaluation standpoint, when he's moving outside the pocket, I feel 297 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: like it, and working off script, especially with the CD Lamb, 298 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 3: it makes this offense much more dangerous. So I think 299 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: you can still expect that in twenty twenty five. I 300 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: think there's gonna be a lot of intention putting into 301 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: the offense about what that looks like. 302 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: I even wonder to some degree with the new offensive coordinator. 303 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 4: I look at what the kinds of things they did 304 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 4: in Arizona. I wonder if they want Dak to be 305 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: a little more involved in the running game for some 306 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: called runs, and maybe this is a part of that. 307 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure, but I do believe Dak is 308 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: at his best when he's moving around a little more 309 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: than we've seen him do over the last couple years. 310 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: All Right, we're gonna take our first break. When we 311 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: come back, we'll talk about the wide receiver position. We'll 312 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: dive into some conversations there. 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Slash old 382 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 6: Evil Welcome Back. 383 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: It is the second segment of the break life in 384 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: that WBC Mortgage Studios at the start of the segment 385 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: brought to you by blockchain dot Com. Let's talk wide Receiver. 386 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 4: I want to start with Jalen Tolbert. After watching him 387 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 4: for the first few years of his career, give me 388 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: an assessment of where you think he is from a 389 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: standpoint of how he's developed from year to year and 390 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: where he is right now in that development process. 391 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, last offseason we talked about a lot how Jalen 392 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: Tolbert was Dak's guy during the off season, right and 393 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: we had talked about that the year prior with Ceedee Lamb, 394 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: you know, being the guy that you know Dak took 395 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: to the Dak yard they had many throwing sessions throughout 396 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: the off season. This that and the third well, if 397 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: you remember Ceedee Lamb was holding out. Yes he was 398 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: still working with Dak, but it wasn't as frequent as 399 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: it was the previous offseason, and so Jalen Tolbert took 400 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: advantage of those opportunities and he was there to you know, 401 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: fill in. Brandon Cooks was there as a strong mentor 402 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: for him, and he took that into year three and 403 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: had a good year. I mean forty nine receptions, six 404 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: and ten yards, seven touchdowns. I think if you told 405 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: any of us at the start of the season, hey, 406 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: this is what Jayalen Tolbert is going to produced. 407 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 5: You'd be happy with that. 408 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: The question is, how is this his ceiling or does 409 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: he have a little bit more to push through for 410 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: this is the last year of his rookie contract, so 411 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: in my opinion, he would either need a repeat performance 412 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four or probably a little bit more 413 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: to ensure that he has a shot at being a 414 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: wide receiver three down the line. But I think there 415 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: are things to like. He improved his route tree, he 416 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: showed that he can do multiple things. Last season, he 417 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: improved in the contested catch department last season, which they 418 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: tested him on multiple times, especially with Cooper Rush, which 419 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: I found interesting. They put trust in his hands, and 420 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 3: I think about the Pittsburgh Steelers game, right, I put 421 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: a lot of trust in his hands on that fourth 422 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: down to be able to win the game for him, 423 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: and certainly he was able to do so. He played 424 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: in all seventeen games. He hasn't had injury issues in 425 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 3: his last two years. He's a reliable guy. But you 426 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: wonder how close is he to his ceiling. I don't 427 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: think I have the answer to that. I think that's 428 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: gonna have to be something that Jalen Toldward answers in 429 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. 430 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Nick's got him right. The thing about 431 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 7: it that I was just hoping for more consistency. I'd 432 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 7: see the Pittsburgh game and you saw the ability to 433 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 7: make some big plays. It just feels like with this 434 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 7: player that you see one really outstanding game and then 435 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 7: you wait for him for two three other games to 436 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 7: kind of do things. And you know, consistency sounds like 437 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 7: it just a cop out word. In this case, it 438 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 7: probably is, and I feel terrible about it, but it 439 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 7: really is true. With this player. I mean, you do 440 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 7: you see flashes of absolute brilliance as a player, and 441 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 7: then that just tends to kind of fade away, and 442 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 7: you know, you don't, you know, get it back for 443 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 7: maybe a couple of weeks. Like I said, So, you know, 444 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 7: if if you could find a way to make that work, 445 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 7: then I think that it will all be very very happy. 446 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 7: But you know, we I think the bar for me 447 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 7: was set very high. I mean, he was a really 448 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 7: good player coming out of South Alabama. I don't think 449 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 7: I've seen the same player at times. I have, but 450 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 7: I just haven't seen that consistency. And I hate to 451 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 7: not have a better word for you or a better description, 452 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 7: but that's really where I look at the player I 453 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 7: look at. Someone says, tell me about Joanato, I say, 454 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 7: just a lack of consistency. That's I think the biggest 455 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 7: problem with him right now. 456 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, at this point in his career, you would be 457 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 6: expecting a little more. And I hate to keep repeating 458 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: the word, but I agree with you guys on the 459 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 6: word consistency. Year one, you could cut him some slack 460 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 6: on how he reacted to that, and he came back 461 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 6: year two, got better in the when you compare to 462 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 6: his first year coming here to Dallas. But his game 463 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 6: just exactly what Brian said. You said, you see those 464 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 6: plays that you know he can do it, he's got it, 465 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 6: but then it disappears and then you don't see it again. 466 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 6: So you just get a very small flash of excitement. 467 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 6: But then again, with the way that the play calling 468 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 6: was happening last year, I think there's some sense there 469 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 6: that I had that with Mike McCarthy and what he 470 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 6: was doing with the offense, I don't think it necessarily 471 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 6: benefited his game in a way that he could find 472 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 6: better success there. But at the same time, when he 473 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 6: did get those chances, I don't think he was able 474 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 6: to fully capitalize on them. 475 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: When you look at at Jalen Tolbert, obviously this year 476 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 4: he was the guy that was kind of the guy 477 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 4: right behind Ceedee Lamb that because because Cooks was out 478 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 4: for a significant amount of time. When you look at 479 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: someone like Jonathan Mingo and the Cowboys trading for him, 480 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 4: or do you think he fits What are the things 481 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 4: you saw from him this last year that make you 482 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 4: say maybe he has a shot at being in the 483 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 4: mix this year, or I just don't see it. What 484 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 4: are the things you're seeing right now from Jonathan Mingo? 485 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 3: Kind of felt like a red shirt year for him. 486 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: And the staff will tell you the same thing. I mean, 487 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: you ask Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, Brian Schottenheimer about Jonathan 488 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: Mingo this offseason, it's always like, yeah, we got him 489 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: in late, We're gonna give him full off season and 490 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: see what he can provide this year. 491 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 5: We're excited about it. 492 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: And so it's like, yeah, disregard everything that happened, even 493 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: though he played half a season, and you know they'll 494 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: they'll try to find a role for him moving forward. 495 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: I mean, he played in eight games, he only had 496 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: five receptions for forty six yards, and he's still searching 497 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: for his first NFL touchdown. I mean, regardless, he has 498 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: not been the second round pick that Carolina selected a couple. 499 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 5: Of years ago. 500 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 7: I don't. 501 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: I Mingo is a guy that you don't plan to 502 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: step into a feature role. But if he does, great, 503 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 3: But if he doesn't, you still go get a receiver 504 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 3: early in this draft to accompany that, because you're you're 505 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: not betting on that. He hasn't been the guy that 506 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: he was at Ole Miss. As far as like the 507 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: big play machine, you know, having those big yards per reception, 508 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: having the contested catch situations. He just hasn't been putting 509 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: those positions. You know, maybe that's what Dallas would like 510 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: to seek from him. This preseason and preseason will be 511 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: huge for him. But I think this is more so like, hey, 512 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: we got this year. If it doesn't work out, oh well, 513 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 3: if it does, then you know, will look great. But 514 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: I'm not banking, honestly on Jonathan Mingo being a future 515 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: role in this offense. 516 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 7: Yeah. I think what's gonna happen is we're gonna get 517 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 7: into these pre draft meetings, you know, the media availability 518 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 7: for pre draft, and Nick is going to ask a 519 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 7: really good question about the wide receivers, and the first 520 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 7: person they're going to talk about is Mingo. That's going too. 521 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 7: You know, there there's a there is a there's a 522 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 7: group in that room that really do believe in him. 523 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 7: They had him as a high second round grade on 524 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 7: their board. They you know, if you watch him play, 525 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 7: there's been some problems of getting him the football. You know, 526 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 7: that's that's been a big, big issue, and there's been 527 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 7: times where you know, he has not had the opportunities 528 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 7: and when he's had the opportunities, he just the quarterbacks 529 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 7: just have not done a very good job of getting 530 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 7: him the ball. But they're going to tell you that, hey, 531 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 7: we love his size, we love his athletic ability, We 532 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 7: thought himenough of him as a college player to make 533 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 7: a trade for him. We feel like this will be 534 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 7: a good year for him. They're going to sell him, 535 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 7: you know, and we're we're going to stand there and 536 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 7: we're all going to nod our head and say okay, 537 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 7: And you know, it'll be another one of those things 538 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 7: like Tolbert and some of the others that they've said before. 539 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 7: You know, this doesn't keep me from drafting somebody in 540 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 7: this draft at twelve. They could play wider because that person, 541 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 7: whoever they pick, will immediately go to the head of 542 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 7: the class. And we can all talk about the Jonathan Mingoes, 543 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 7: and we could talk about the Tollbird and Adams and 544 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 7: Florinay and all those guys. They know they need to 545 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 7: go get a legitimate guy, and that's why I think 546 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 7: they're in the situation they are with Mingo. They'll tell 547 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 7: us about him, but it's one of those things that 548 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 7: they know they have to get better. 549 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 5: If the season started today. 550 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: With the receiving core that they have, I'd be putting 551 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: Mingo at wide receiver five. I'd be putting him behind 552 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: Tolbert Turpin and Jalen Brooks. As far as what I 553 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: would expect from production out of him. 554 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 6: Dang well, I see it differently. I'm actually very intrigued 555 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 6: to see Mingo a lot more of him because I 556 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 6: thought that on the little amount of opportunities he got 557 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 6: last year, they weren't getting him the ball. One thing 558 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 6: that excited me during that time of the season was 559 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 6: when you watch his game, he will be where he 560 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 6: needs to be. He would find a way get open 561 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 6: and get there, but then they couldn't throw him the 562 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 6: ball ride or there were a couple of instances that 563 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 6: it was on him to be fair. But at the 564 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 6: same time, I thought that if you get him a 565 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 6: better quarterback with more accuracy happening there in, a better 566 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 6: play caller and all of that into the mix, I 567 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 6: think he can be a lot better and be actually 568 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 6: productive a lot more than wide receiver number five. I 569 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 6: think he could be thrown in there, not to be 570 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 6: the mega superstar or anything, but to be someone that 571 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 6: you can rely on throughout the game. 572 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it actually became a bit of 573 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 4: a joke. I know, me and Amber and Nick sit 574 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 4: by each other during Nikki, and it became a bit 575 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 4: of a joke at one point where we were saying, like, 576 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 4: are they ever going to throw him a ball he 577 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 4: actually has a chance of catching because there were so 578 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 4: many times he was open, ball went behind him, ball 579 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: was over his head. 580 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: It was just it was. 581 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 7: Happening free happening at Carolina too. 582 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened so frequently, And that was also part 583 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 4: of the part of the I guess is like, can 584 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 4: this guy in the NFL, can he get a quarterback 585 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 4: that actually will throw him the ball because there were 586 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: opportunities when he was open and he just wasn't getting 587 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 4: a fair chance to make a play on the ball. 588 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 4: And I think I agree with that from you, Amber, 589 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: I don't know that I think he's he's ready to assume. 590 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: Nor should the Cowboys go into this year expecting him 591 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: to be their number two receiver or number three receiver. 592 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 4: I think they should see what he can do in 593 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: training camp. But my expectation is that given an opportunity 594 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 4: with a more accurate quarterback, I think he can be 595 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 4: better than what he's been to this point in his career. 596 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if that can help. 597 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: And I will say this too, I like what he 598 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 4: does from a blocking standpoint. If you're going to be 599 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 4: a team that's gonna run the ball as much as 600 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 4: they say they're going to run the ball, you're gonna 601 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: need that on the perimeter. I think he'll be a 602 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 4: valueblastt from that standpoint. 603 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 7: We could put Zach Martin's number on him and he could. 604 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Get a little tackle. 605 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: There you go, there you go, hey real quick though, 606 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 4: And this is this is more on the on the 607 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 4: draft side. There are two names at receiver that that 608 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: I keep hearing as first round possible guys that the 609 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 4: Cowboys could take. Tech McMillan and Matthew Golden. You guys 610 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: have a preference between those two or if you have 611 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: another receiver outside of Travis Hunter, obviously that's a first 612 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 4: round type guy that you think the Cowboys should really 613 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 4: be looking at if they're on the board at that 614 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: first pick at number twelve. 615 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 3: My preference is Tech McMillan. He's the only true receiver 616 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: that I have with the first round grade. I see 617 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 3: this guy as a Michael Thomas type of weapon here 618 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: at the NFL level, elite possession skills, long, big frame. 619 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: I do wonder how he would stack up in the 620 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: twenty three guys, just because the twenty three receiver class 621 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: was so loaded, But I still think he would end 622 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 3: up being a top fifteen pick in that class, and 623 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: I think he lands in the same range this time around. 624 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: He was a guy that was the number one volleyball 625 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: player in the country coming out of high school because 626 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: of his vertical ability at Yan him being Hawaii, and 627 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: he definitely has the volleyball in his blood. But I 628 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: covered him at Anaheim Servid High School when he was 629 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: when he was coming to high school. Yeah, this is 630 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: the perfect class. The next year of even more perfect. 631 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: I'm just lucky, and to be honest, but he has 632 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: had the same quarterback since early high school, which I 633 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 3: think is fascinating. I think that might be one period 634 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: of you know, transition that he'll have here at the 635 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: NFL level. But everything I know about this kid is 636 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: that he's intentional. He's at the facility, first one in, 637 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: last one out. He's one of the guys you want 638 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: to have in a locker room and you pair that 639 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: with his skill. I think he has shown that he 640 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: has long speed based on what he did at his 641 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: own individual pro day. He had a couple of games 642 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: this year where he was able to get vertical and 643 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: beat some faster corners over the top and create some 644 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: explosion plays. 645 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 5: I'm a tech McMillan guy. 646 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: He makes fifty to fifty balls eighty twenty, he does, 647 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: and he hasn't made. The Cowboys have not had a 648 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: true possession receiver like this since Des Bryant, and I 649 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: think this would be a perfect pick at twelve. 650 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 6: If he's got Chris Beam with the b roll. 651 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 7: No, he's got them all for sure, you know, since 652 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 7: he focused. I do love McMillan. I agree with that. 653 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 7: I'll tell you about Golden then Golden was to transfer 654 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 7: from Houston. This guy is explosive, He's dynamic, can play 655 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 7: all the receiver positions. He does a really nice job 656 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 7: separating through coverage with his ability to accelerate out of 657 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 7: his breaks. He does a fine job of selling routes. 658 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 7: There's some questions about him as a route runner. You 659 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 7: could see the fear of God in cornerbacks when they 660 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 7: play this guy, especially off and he's closing cushion and 661 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 7: then he sells that route. He can go up the field, 662 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 7: he can come back for the ball, he can drive 663 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 7: the defenders off. He's played outside, he plays you see 664 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 7: right here, he's played in the slot. It's you know, 665 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 7: he's It's just allowed him to become a small, skilled receiver. 666 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 7: He could shift gears quickly in space. He can click 667 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 7: off really nice gains. You watch him in the playoff 668 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 7: games down the stretch, and he was a big factor 669 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 7: in why Texas was able to advance as far as 670 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 7: they did. You know, quinn Ewers is a guy that 671 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 7: sometimes can get you the ball and sometimes he can't 672 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 7: get you the ball. But this guy was would do 673 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 7: a great job of going up and getting it. You 674 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 7: talk about McMillan is one of the best receivers in 675 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 7: the country on those Knick's right, eighty twenty is exactly 676 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 7: right because he's gonna go get it. But this guy 677 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 7: is right up there with with Millan McMillan when it 678 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 7: comes to going up and getting the football at its 679 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 7: highest point. 680 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 5: Fourth and thirteen, baby, yep, fourth and thirteen, go back to. 681 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 7: This guy's a big time player. You know, the Texas 682 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 7: people will tell you and Derek will tell you too 683 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 7: that everybody was talking about Bond, Bond, Bond, but then 684 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 7: you watch the tape and you're like, well, who's this 685 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 7: number two? 686 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: And early in the season, Bond was the guy. As 687 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: the season war on, right, Golden became the man. 688 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 7: Golden became much more of a a more of a 689 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 7: guy for them. But yeah, he will go up. He 690 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 7: tracks the ball. Well, you know, he is a he's 691 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 7: a big time player. And you know, if you follow 692 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 7: the list of thirty visit stuff. So I know, we 693 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 7: don't really get into that much, you know, on this show, 694 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 7: but you know they're bringing in all these guys, these 695 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 7: wide receivers, so they're clearly hunting the guy. 696 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: Yep. 697 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 4: All right, we're gona take our final break. When we 698 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: come back, we'll dive a little bit into the tight 699 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 4: end position. Let's talk about Jake Ferguson and kind of 700 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 4: what we think of where he is in his development. 701 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: I know we've had a little bit of conversation on that, 702 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: but I want to talk about specific is he in 703 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 4: danger at this point of maybe not being the starting guy? 704 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: Has Schoonmaker developed? Does he continue to develop? 705 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 4: I think those are all conversations worth having We'll have 706 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: when we come back at Stallas Cowboys dot com radio. 707 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 14: If you can't be at the stadium, there's no better 708 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 14: way to watch your Cowboys than on an LG ole 709 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 14: led Evo TV. That's because everything you see is more lifelike, 710 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 14: every play. 711 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: Every hit. 712 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 14: I mean, you might just will be on the sidelines, 713 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 14: that's how clear it is. 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SEEATD dot com 762 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 9: Slash five G for you for details. 763 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 6: Back to the Break, AT and T connecting changes everything. 764 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: Welcome back. 765 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: We're in the final segment of the Break live from 766 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 4: the SWBC Mortgage studios. 767 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: At the Star. 768 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 4: Let's talk about the tight end position. I know we 769 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 4: had the conversation. I think it was last week or 770 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: week before. I think it was a question that you 771 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 4: posed Danber of what we thought of Jake Ferguson and 772 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 4: whether we thought he had a down year. I think 773 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 4: everybody across the table pretty much agreed that they didn't 774 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 4: think he had his best year. That being concerned, how 775 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 4: concerned are you with the overall help of the tight 776 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 4: end position at this point? 777 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting position group because I think you 778 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 3: could look at it on one hand and say, hey, 779 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: it doesn't need addressing. You have Jake Ferguson, He's going 780 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 3: to be fully healthy going into twenty twenty five. 781 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 5: He has depth. You finally have blockers in that room too. 782 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 5: It could work out. 783 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: Then, on the other hand, you could see how there's 784 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: a potential for that room to get really thin, really 785 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: quick by just one guy getting injured during the season. 786 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: So I don't know, this is not a position I 787 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 3: would foresee, you know, spending a draft pick on maybe 788 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: late in the draft. I could see it late Day three, like, hey, 789 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 3: you have one of these six seventh round compensatory picks, 790 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 3: but Jake Ferguson is still your tight end one. I 791 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 3: don't think he's done anything to relinquish that role, but 792 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 3: you do you would like to see him either return 793 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 3: to his twenty twenty three production or uptick that into 794 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and a fully healthy dok Prescott will help. 795 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: But you know, when you take into context Jake Ferguson, 796 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 3: you have to take into context the Week one injury 797 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 3: he suffered the knees brain against Cleveland kept him out 798 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, and then the concussion that he 799 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: suffered in the middle of the season that was tough 800 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: on him. So he just battled various things throughout the year, 801 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: and you know, as more tight ends got involved in 802 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: the in the offense, and you know what was Schoonmaker's role. 803 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 3: One week's Schoonmaker's not playing any snaps. The next week 804 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 3: he's starting and looks good, and so he's out of 805 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 3: the doghouse. I think just consistency for Luke Schoonmaker will 806 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 3: be big too. 807 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, it really for Ferguson, here's the word consistency again. 808 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 7: But you look at what happening against me. He comes 809 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 7: back in week three against the Ravens, and you know, 810 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 7: he put up big numbers, six catches for ninety five yards. 811 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 7: A couple of weeks later they're playing Pittsburgh, he has 812 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 7: six catches for seventy yards. And then from that point 813 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 7: on it really really was a struggle. Yes, the targets 814 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 7: were not as much as we've seen in the past. 815 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 7: You know, for him, he went from a guy that 816 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 7: was kind of a double digit target guy. Guy maybe 817 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 7: got seven eight targets, and then it became more like 818 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 7: three and two and four. You know, it was just 819 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 7: not as many and and uh, you know, the level 820 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 7: of play just kind of just kind of faded off. 821 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 7: And then while he was out, you know, Luke Schoonmaker 822 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 7: was able. That I think was the positive thing that 823 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 7: Luke Schoonmaker did show, like that he was able to 824 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 7: handle the role when when given that opportunity, Is Luke 825 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 7: Schoonmaker going to replace Jake Ferguson. I think that's probably 826 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 7: not the case right now, but you know, yeah, they 827 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 7: they they need to figure out what happened to Jake Ferguson, 828 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 7: and like, let's say the stuff the time that he missed, 829 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 7: you know, was was key. He was banged up, but 830 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 7: they need to get his targets back up because the 831 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 7: player that the player that we saw against the Ravens, 832 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 7: even though that was you know, a game that was 833 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 7: very close at the end, you know, you know, it 834 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 7: could have you know, I could say the Cowboys could 835 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 7: have found a way there. But he had a really 836 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 7: good game against a very very good defense, and I 837 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 7: think that's the kind of player Pittsburgh the same way, 838 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 7: good defense, and he had a very good game, so 839 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 7: very very capable that they need to kind of unlock 840 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 7: why we didn't see more of those. 841 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 6: I think Jake will have a better season than what 842 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 6: it was last year. I mean, you talk about him 843 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 6: and you mentioned that video. You see him working out 844 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 6: and then he's recovering and all of that. So I 845 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 6: expect him to be in full health once the season 846 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 6: starts and him to be able to contribute a lot 847 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 6: more and get back to that football shape that he 848 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 6: was the year prior, where you saw a guy that 849 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 6: was super utilized on the offense. And it was odd 850 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 6: to me that last year, Mike McCarthy, he wasn't really 851 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 6: getting much help from the tight ends, like really utilizing 852 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 6: that to their advantage. In years that you see in 853 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 6: like Dak Prescott when he was in there, he always 854 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 6: finds some comfort in tight ends. I don't know, I 855 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 6: do expect him to be better. And also with Luke, 856 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 6: what is this year three that he's going into third season? 857 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 6: I thought he improved last year from what he was 858 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 6: his rookie season, and I know he dealt with some 859 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 6: injuries that the first year, So I think that he's 860 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 6: continuously what's the word. Yeah, I guess I was looking 861 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 6: for a more fancier, like a fancier word. But he's 862 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 6: consistently getting better, which you love to see. But now 863 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 6: he needs to take a bigger step and make that jump. 864 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 6: But I think he can still contribute. I agree with 865 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 6: Nick and like, you need somebody else to come in here, 866 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 6: because if you say Jake is out for the season 867 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 6: or whatever reason, then you start, hey, you start really 868 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 6: getting worried there. 869 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you hope you get a full season of John 870 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: Stevens and I coming off of back to back ACLS, 871 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 3: you can really only expect so much. And he's been 872 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 3: a camp he roll these last two years and that's 873 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 3: but that's basically been it. 874 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 5: But you hope you can see him on the field 875 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 5: a little bit. 876 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: What can he bring from a receiving standpoint, because you 877 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 3: have your two blocking tight ends and Luke Schoonmaker and 878 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 3: Brevin span Ford. You know what can John Stevens bring 879 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 3: you in the receiving department? You'd hope you have that 880 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 3: at least to fall back on if there was a 881 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson injury. 882 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 4: What what is it that Schoonmaker needs to do or 883 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 4: could do that would elevate him beyond where he is 884 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 4: right now. 885 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 2: I know last year run after catch that were good, 886 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: but at that catch. 887 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, the guy if you if you look at his numbers, 888 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 7: he's generally a two for two, four for four, six 889 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 7: for six. He's six for six for fifty six yards. 890 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 7: You know, the thing that makes Jake Ferguson so inviting 891 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 7: is a run after catch like is he's bouncing off guys, 892 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 7: jumping over guys, spinning off guys. 893 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: Really is taken by the down by the first guy there. 894 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I'm saying with Luke schoon Maker. You 895 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 7: do get receptions, you do you know the hands, you know, 896 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 7: early in his career he there's probably some pro albums there. 897 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 7: There was a couple of seam passes that went off 898 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 7: his hands, and Dak is one of the better seam throwers. 899 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 5: In the league. 900 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 7: But I think that Luke Schoonmaker has shown that he's 901 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 7: capable now of catching the football. But the thing that's 902 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 7: different between him and Jake Ferguson is run after catch, 903 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 7: So when you get the opportunity if you get six 904 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 7: targets to make six catches have more than fifty six yards, 905 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 7: you know. I think that's the biggest difference. That's the 906 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 7: thing he can improve on. Can he can he improve 907 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 7: on his quickness, his agility and his ability to break tackles. 908 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 4: This team's going to be a good heavy run team, 909 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 4: as we suspect they will be. How capable is this 910 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 4: tight end group of providing what they need as blockers? 911 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about what they can do as 912 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 4: pass catchers, but as blockers, are they capable of being 913 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 4: what this team will need? 914 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 5: I think they're capable. 915 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 3: And this is probably where the Mike McCarthy influence kind 916 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 3: of still has residual effect, just because he was very 917 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 3: emphatic on having these tight ends on the field all 918 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 3: the time and especially in run blocking situations. They have 919 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 3: the reps to be a young room. They do have 920 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 3: the reps in the run blocking category. Jake Ferguson has 921 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 3: gotten better as a run blocker and he's three seasons. 922 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 3: Luke Schoonmaker brought in to do that and he's done 923 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: well with that. There's at times he's been you know, 924 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 3: off his assignment, but you look at the back half 925 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four and what he was able to 926 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 3: do in that department was great. Brevin span Ford, he 927 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: earned a roster spot because of that. They even throw 928 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 3: a hunterd lip in situations where he can be a 929 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 3: tight end run blocker in some areas too. I don't 930 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 3: I don't have concerns about this this room right now 931 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 3: as far as being able to run block, whereas a 932 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 3: year ago I would have said, yeah, I'm a little 933 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 3: I'm a little worried about it. And that's a credit 934 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 3: to Lunda Wells, and that's a credit to Mike McCarthy 935 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 3: at the end of the day too. 936 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree with it because if you're looking 937 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 7: for that run blocking tight end, and I guarantee you 938 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 7: Nick's looked at a thousand players, so he's probably got 939 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 7: a run blocking tight end in his arsenal there. 940 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 5: But enough for you. 941 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, the majority of these guys, like you say, there's 942 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 7: another Ferguson in this draft at Oregon. I mean they've 943 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 7: got Arroyo from Miami, They've got guys Fanning Helm from Texas. 944 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 7: You know, these are guys that are more conducive to 945 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 7: catching the ball than they are blocking. So you know, 946 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 7: the development of a blocking group is going to have 947 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 7: to come. I think within this, within these. 948 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 6: Walls, and I think it will. I mean, I thought 949 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 6: I the whole blocking I did think it improved since 950 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 6: the year prior. And when you look at you mentioned Lunda, 951 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 6: who was it? I mentioned Lunda? You mentioned Lunda Nick 952 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 6: and he's what the only guy that remained here from 953 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 6: the prior regime other than Scottenheimer getting promoted to head coach. 954 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 6: So that tells you something. I thought that a lot 955 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 6: of these younger guys, even though it's not at the 956 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 6: level where we all really feel super confident, it's still 957 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 6: you saw a lot of improvement. And we got to 958 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 6: keep in mind these guys are still really young, like 959 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 6: they're still in their first second heading into their third 960 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 6: year in the NFL. This this is the year where 961 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 6: they need to all take that for the next step. 962 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 6: But again, I'm putting youth into account. I'm putting into Okay, 963 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 6: last year, I did see some development. I didn't see 964 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 6: regression from anybody other than Jake Ferguson due to injury, 965 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 6: and we talked about that already, So I think that 966 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 6: this year this group should look a lot better. 967 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 7: Scheme will help. If they're going to pin and pull 968 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 7: and stuff and angle block and things like that, and 969 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 7: they don't have to fight guys one on one, they'll 970 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 7: be better at run blocking as a group. 971 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 3: I got one for you, Jackson Hawes out of Georgia Tech. 972 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 3: Now's there's your run block. 973 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 7: I knew, I knew you had a guy. 974 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 2: What round? 975 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 3: I think you get up seventh, potentially undrafted, but I 976 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 3: think he's the best run blocking guy in the draft 977 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 3: as far as tight ends go. 978 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 16: And if you gets HWS literally all he does h 979 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 16: A W E S yes, yeah six. I will say 980 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 16: this based on what we've seen two thousand dollars for him, 981 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 16: I would expect that this tight end group is probably 982 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 16: one of the groups the Cowboys least worried about. 983 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 4: When you just talk about personnel and bodies that they have. 984 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 4: I think they feel pretty good. They should feel pretty 985 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 4: good about the tight end position. 986 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 7: Sure. 987 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 2: All in all, all right, appreciate you guys. 988 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 7: Jones. 989 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 4: We're back next Wednesday. We're heading it into the draft. 990 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 4: We got two weeks before. 991 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 13: UH. 992 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 4: The draft will begin on Thursday night. UH so next 993 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 4: week we'll do a little bit of time. We'll spend 994 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 4: a little time talking about draft and here, well you 995 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 4: guys ready for that and until the end for Harris 996 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 4: and brought us Ambergracia, Derek Eiglton. This has been the 997 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 4: Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 998 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 999 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.