1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, Truth Social, the new 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: social media platform owned by President Donald J. Trump, is 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: taking on the establishments social media platforms and allowing for 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: true free speech. Here to talk more about the launch 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: of truth Social and his new role as CEO of 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Trump Media and Technology Group, I'm really pleased to welcome 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: my guests, Congressman Devin Nenns. Devin, thank you for once 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: again joining us. I think we've known you in a 9 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: variety of jobs, including the head of the Intelligence Committee. 10 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: And as I understand it, today's a big day for 11 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: truth Social because you are expanding the social media network 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: from my phone users over to a desktop application. How 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: much do you think this will expand the number of 14 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: people who are able to get on the platform. Well, hey, Knude, 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: it's great to be back with you. And I think 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: the first time I was with you, I think we 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: were talking Russia Gate hoax back in the day I 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. And then I 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: want to say that I actually talked to when I 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: was the ranking member after we had lost the majority. 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: And now hearing my new role at True Social, and look, 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: this is a big day. This morning, we have been 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: beta testing the web app version. So essentially the way 24 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: we worked this because we couldn't rely on any of 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: the big tech tyrants because obviously we're a big target, 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: they'd quickly blow up our server farms, cut us off 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: of services. So we had to build us from the 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: ground up. And the way we started was through the 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Apple App Store, so we had an app, we beta 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: tested it for about almost two months, and then we 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: opened it up here about four weeks ago and we 32 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: were number one on the Apple lap Store. Gosh, almost 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: number one, I think for ten days, running for sure 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: in the top five. And then this morning we opened 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: up for a web browser, so you can now access 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: You go to trusocial dot com and anyone can create 37 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: an account and on any device that you have. So 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: people are excited. They love it. On the desktop, think 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: our team did a really good job, and so even 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: if you have an Android phone, you can actually get 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: it on your Android phone if you bookmark it. And 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: we're in production now of being in the Google Play 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: Store for those of you who want to have an app. 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: But the good thing now is anyone can get it, 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: and we have the capacity using rumble Cloud for both 46 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: our data centers and our video so we are uncancellable 47 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: newt and that's been the goal of this company is 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: to not only give people their voice back, open the 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: internet back up, but be in a safe environment where 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: you feel safe. Here it's true social and you don't 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: have this risk of being banned if you disagree with 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: vaccines or gun control or anything like that. So, from 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the standpoint of getting something this complex launched, was it 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot larger technology management project than you thought when 55 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: you first joined. No, I think the real issue is, 56 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of know what we need to do. 57 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: It's just making sure that with all of our team 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: we focus on quality and reliability and we have to 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: just go slow and take this step by step and 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: build up block by block, because we just can't take 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: a shortcut. We just can't say, well, gosh, why don't 62 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: we just call up Amazon, or why don't we just 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: call up Bill Gates. He could probably help us out. 64 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: You know, this thing could have been stood up quickly. 65 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: All you would really need is software. You could rely 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: on all the big tech companies for all your needs. Well, 67 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: we are really limiting any outside vendor that we have, 68 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: and we're vetting them very very carefully, so you know, 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: for the most part, it's us a few vendors, but 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: most importantly Rumble, which is the YouTube alternative. But they 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: also are now getting into offering, and we're kind of 72 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: their first big client, or I think we are the 73 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: first big client. They're into cloud services. It's exciting times. 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: We've got to be the fastest growing social media company 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: in history. But we can't take any shortcuts. We have 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: so many people that want different features, but we've just 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: got to be slow and methodical to ensure quality and 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: reliability and that we can't be shut down by these 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: tech tyrants. Was it difficult to find the level of 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: talent you need given the biases of Silicon Valley. Well, 81 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: you know what's really interesting about that is we have 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: had so many people apply that we have stacks and 83 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: stacks of resumes because I think there's a strong group 84 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: of conservatives to independence who do not like what they've 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: seen out of Silicon Valley, and so we have no 86 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: shortage honestly of talent. It's just a matter of to 87 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: build this. It just takes time, and you just have 88 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: to go slow because we can't make any mistakes. In 89 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: a perfect world, you would have launched the web app version, 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the Apple version, Google Play blowing it up. But the 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: way that we do things here is we build it slow, 92 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: we test it, then we build the next project test it. 93 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: So any new code, we're coming out with new features. 94 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: So today we launched ability to access it via a 95 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: web browser. We've got other features that are in the 96 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: pipeline that we are currently beta testing, and we just 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: have to be, like I said, slow and methodical. So 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: how much was the challenge of working with Rumble into 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: what is Rumble really truly free from the alternative systems 100 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: Google and others. They are one hundred percent nude. It's 101 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: amazing what they've done. It's an interesting story with Rumble 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: because I kind of stumbled into Rumble. I had my 103 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: little podcast that I used as a member of Congress 104 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: to get around the fake news so that I could 105 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: reach my supporters because as you recall, I was getting 106 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: hammered so much with fake news. I found it to 107 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: be a good way to create a podcast so that 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: I could reach supporters around the country. And every week 109 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: my podcast would grow and grow and grow in terms 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: of subscribers and downloads. And it was done Dan Bongino, 111 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: who actually said, man, you're doing really well, because I 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: think I was a first member of Congress to have 113 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: a podcast. Obviously I was an early adopter, so it 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: was a little bit advantage fewer competitors. But you know, 115 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean there'll be times that I would be in 116 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: the top fifty, you know a podcasts. It was amazing. 117 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: And Dan Bongino was like, hey man, you got to 118 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: get on YouTube, and I said, oh, you know, I 119 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: knew what YouTube was, but I didn't think of doing 120 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: a video podcast. And so I started doing a video 121 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: podcast and it was just basically a simulcast. So I'd 122 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: upload it to the podcast audio system and then we 123 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: would put it up to YouTube. Well, I had started 124 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: with eight thousand followers and I was posting the videos 125 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: there and I think I ended with nine thousand followers. 126 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is new that my first episode 127 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: was the highest viewed and then it just spiraled downhill 128 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: from there. You know, almost I joke, but if there 129 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: could have been negative views on my YouTube, I would 130 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: have had negative views. And you know, it was so 131 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: ridiculous because I knew I was sending it to you 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: a million people. I knew what my audio podcast was 133 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: doing because it kept growing and I joked that I 134 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: had enough family members it would actually just feel sorry 135 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: for me enough to at least hit the play button, 136 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: you know. So I got a view and I just said, 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? So I just 138 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: told our team, let's just find a video player. I said, 139 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: something's wrong, like, you can't find anything. So we find Rumble. 140 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: It had been a company been around six seven years 141 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: and they had a video player and they were getting 142 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: into the space of where YouTube's at. When I said, hey, 143 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: what the hell, we don't have anything to lose. Let's 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: just call these guys. They looked pretty good. And Chris Pavloski, 145 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: the CEO of Rumble, he at first thought that maybe 146 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: he was under investigation, right would you have the chairman 147 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: of the Intelligence Committee calling you? And then he realized 148 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: quickly that he wasn't under investigation, that we really wanted 149 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: to use his system. And then during that conversation, I 150 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: just said, look, I just have one question. And this 151 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: is where Chris thought. I went from like, man, does 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: this guy even know what the hell he's talking about? 153 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Because I asked a very basic question of him. I said, Hey, 154 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: if I post my video podcast to Rumble and you 155 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: get on there and search will my podcast come up? 156 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: And you know, he tells the story later. He's like, man, 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: I thought you didn't know anything about tech. And he 158 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: asked me a question. I said, no, no, try it. 159 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: I said, go to YouTube and try to find my podcast. 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: And that was like a holy crap moment for Chris. 161 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, I can't find it. And 162 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: he looked and looked and look. We were on the 163 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: phone and I'm like, dude, they do exist. And I 164 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: sent them the actual links from YouTube. So what was 165 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: happening is they were burying the links. Nobody could find 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: my podcast. I mean, it was like the quintessential definition 167 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: of being censored in Shadow band. So long story short, 168 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: new I go to Rumble post my first video. Remember, 169 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: no one had heard a Rumble, no one, And I 170 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: told you had nine thousand followers when I left YouTube. 171 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: In three weeks, I had thirty five thousand followers on Rumble, 172 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: so much so that the Rumble team thought that it 173 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: was some kind of scam, like they were being attacked 174 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: by bots or something. In three months, Knude, I had 175 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: almost four hundred thousand followers on Rumble. And now the 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: rest is history. You know, Rumble is basically the alternative 177 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: for conservatives and independents who get banned or shadow banded 178 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: by YouTube. And you know, it's an amazing story, and 179 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: I was glad that they were there because it was 180 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: the only way that I was able to get my 181 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: message out during those really dark times of the Russia 182 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: hoax and impeachment hoaks and all of that. We've experienced 183 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: similar things with Facebook and Google, where they will use 184 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: an algorithm that will basically make it very hard to 185 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: find whatever I'm doing. You can literally track when somebody 186 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: decides to go after us, and then how we gradually 187 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: bounce back. But in a fairly regular basis, somebody will 188 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: push us and we may end up following you to Rumble, 189 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: and certainly we're going to be consistently using truth social 190 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: as one of the ways of getting our messages out. Yeah, 191 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm so excited that you joined. But it'll be fun 192 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll draw some people with us. Hi, this 193 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: is newt We have serious decisions to make about the 194 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: future of our nation. 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When you look at what's happened with Twitter 209 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: and Elon Muska sort of surface the reality that there 210 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: are apparently an amazing number of fake accounts and bots 211 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter, how do you guard against that happening to 212 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: truth social So no one's going to be perfect, but 213 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: I think the difference here was that this is part 214 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: of the reason why I quit posting on Twitter two 215 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: and a half years ago, and I told on my colleagues, 216 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: you guys are wasting your time being on here. When 217 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: I had that experience with Rumble, and then I also 218 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: the first member of Congress to go to Parlor before 219 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Bezos cut the chords there and ruin that company. So 220 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: I knew what would happen if you just build a 221 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: system that doesn't censor people. I knew it would take off, 222 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: and obviously with President Trump behind it, it really accelerated it. Right. 223 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: So the main way that we do it is we 224 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: don't want any fake people or spam accounts. And we 225 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: not only have what is called two factor, but you 226 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: have to have an email and a phone number, and 227 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: you can't have hundreds of accounts associated with the email 228 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: or phone number. And that's where some of these companies 229 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: go wrong. They want to have their numbers, so they 230 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: let people create these spam accounts farms. There's people who 231 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: do this for a living that basically run bought farms 232 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: so that they can go out and sway public opinion. Right, 233 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: So if somebody posts something and then boom, like if 234 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: you're a conservative, boom, it just gets attacked. And that's 235 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: one of the really bad things that Twitter has done 236 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: over the last several years is they've allowed that to 237 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: happen so much, so you know, I just call it 238 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: a sewer and it wasn't even worth posting on. And 239 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: I told my colleagues because once I went to rumble, 240 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: once I was on parlor, I said, look, we're getting 241 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: so screwed here. You guys don't even understand until you 242 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: actually lived through it, you don't understand it. And now 243 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: on True Social I think there's millions of Americans now 244 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: who can't believe this. Like, we have a guy who's 245 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: really popular, funny guy. His name is Cat Turd. I 246 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: remember him on Twitter because he's super funny, and he 247 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: just posted this morning that he now has in a 248 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: month being on our platform, he's got a half a 249 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: million followers, and he's getting more engagement than he's getting 250 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: on the other platforms. And there's countless others that just 251 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: through the beta tests. And remember new Like I said, 252 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: we only have Apple right now, and we're only in 253 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: the United States of America. So imagine where we're going 254 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: to be when we build these features out and keep growing. 255 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: It's going to be incredible. The early adopters who got 256 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: on people are just seeing more engagement. So you know, 257 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: we have the two factor authentication, and then there's a 258 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: few other things that we do. We're also constantly on 259 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: it making sure we have a system where people can 260 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: report if they think somebody is a bot or spam 261 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: or fake account. So it just takes technology and manpower 262 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: and honestly help from our users. I mean, that's probably 263 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: the biggest help is when our users report suspicious activity 264 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: because it helps us really track down because what will 265 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: happen is they'll go on and they'll try to sell 266 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: something or get them to click on a link. And 267 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: the faster people report, the faster we can keep them off. 268 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: So one of the things that Twitter was never able 269 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: to solve was building up an ad serving model and 270 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: making it work and drawing to them the kind of 271 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: brands and by loss of advertising, how do you convince 272 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: brands like McDonald's or FedEx or home Depot to join 273 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: truth Social. Well, there's a lot of questions that are 274 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: packed within that one question. So first of all, I 275 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: always tell people and we talk about this here at 276 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: the company at True Socially, the last thing we want 277 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: to be is Twitter. What we're trying to build here 278 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: is we take the best attributes of Twitter, Facebook, TikTok 279 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: and Instagram. So we're trying to take the best of 280 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: all those put them into a social media network where 281 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: people feel safe, family friendly environment, no bots, no spam, 282 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: and they can be themselves and express themselves without political censorship. 283 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: If you really look at what's been happening, we want 284 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: to make sure that we are just looking where the 285 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: market is. And I think a lot of people don't 286 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: realize this that are out there until you just go 287 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: to like a normal function and just ask normal Americans 288 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: a simple question. You know what social media platforms are 289 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: you on? And so Twitter has a great brand across 290 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: the globe, no question. But all it is is it's 291 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: a global pr wire where people put press releases out. 292 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: It's celebrities and political hacks and corporations that want to 293 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: put press releases out. It's a glorified press release model 294 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: that is global and it has a little bird as 295 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: a brand. But outside of that, most normal people and 296 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: I think this may be shocking to people, but just 297 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: go to a family function like I did at Easter, 298 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: kind of my extended family. I asked everybody, there are 299 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: probably a hundred people there, how many of you are 300 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: on Twitter? And no one was on Twitter, except for 301 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: I had two uncles that said, yeah, they used to 302 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: be on, but they got off when Trump got kicked off. 303 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: But if you talk about Instagram or TikTok or Facebook, 304 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: nearly seventy eighty percent of people that are on there, 305 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: especially if it's a younger audience, they're for sure going 306 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: to TikTok. So the bottom line is anytime we waste 307 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: worrying about Twitter is a waste. It's a failed business model. 308 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. Instagram, Facebook very very successful. I think 309 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: Facebook's hurting themselves. It's obviously the same company, but I 310 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: think Facebook has damaged themselves with the censorship. I think 311 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: they're starting to lose people. And that's why one of 312 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: the features we want our groups and closed groups so 313 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: people feel comfortable bringing their family pictures or albums, that 314 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: sort of thing onto the platform. It's going to take 315 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: a while for us to build that, but I think 316 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: that will really help. But Instagram, no question, has been 317 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: a success, and that's why people will notice. Even though 318 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: our platform is just in the beginning stage. Most people 319 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: say that you look at our platform, it's really a 320 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: combination of Instagram and Twitter, and that's what we're trying 321 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: to build because that's where the eyeballs are. We have 322 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: to go after Instagram and TikTok or we're wasting our 323 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: time as a company. So in that context, obviously your 324 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: biggest single advantage is President Trump. I think he already 325 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: has something like two point eight million followers on true 326 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: social To what extent does Elon Musk getting involved with 327 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: Twitter change your calculations? Well, we've been very supportive of it. 328 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: President Trump had a clear mission. I always say this 329 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: that the last thing that President Trump needed was a 330 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: new company, and the last thing that I needed was 331 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: a job. As you know, Knute, I was in line 332 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: to be the chair of the Ways a Means Committee, 333 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: but we have to give the American people their voice back, 334 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump asked me to do this. He's building 335 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: this for the American people, not for himself. He's very 336 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: proud of what's been created. I mean, you know, we've 337 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: only been going, like I said, a month, but it's 338 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: just amazing to watch the interaction there, the engagement levels, 339 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: and this is something that had to be done to 340 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: open the Internet back up down. I'm very curious. Obviously 341 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: this was created by President Trump. He has enormous pool 342 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: with his people and based on the earlier reviews, in 343 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: many ways it's a Trump community. How do you see 344 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: it evolving in terms of membership, Well, it's been fascinating 345 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: to watch because really we were the home for people 346 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: to get their voice back and nude I would say 347 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: that it's not just about President Trump. We're open to everyone. 348 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: But what's been moving and I think even surprising for 349 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: me as someone who has been through this with Rumble 350 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: and Parlor, but to see so many people that had 351 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: been banned from all the other platforms. So even during 352 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: our beta test, it was amazing to watch people come 353 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: on the platform. And we like to say that we're 354 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: making social media fun again. We want people to feel safe, 355 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: we want people to network. We don't want people being 356 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: attacked by spam accounts and bought accounts. But it's so 357 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: cool to watch people say, oh my god, I remember 358 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: you from four years ago. I used to follow you 359 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: on Facebook or Instagram or what have you. And you 360 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: see this every single day. And so imagine when we 361 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: were just kind of in the initial beta testing. Then 362 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: we opened it up a month ago. We were number 363 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: one on the App Store for so long. We have 364 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: so many people with the app. Now we're seeing the 365 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: same thing because we had now opened the web browsers, 366 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: so we're open everybody in the United States. So I 367 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: think when you look at it, we are a place 368 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: where we have good video, we have really good pictures, 369 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: and once we build out more features, you are trying 370 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: to be a place where people have a good time. 371 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's what you see on the platform 372 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: is people are just so excited to be in freedom 373 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: again because they don't have to worry about being censored 374 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: for their political views. And it really is something to watch. 375 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: It's moving. I mean it really is for me. Even 376 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: though I've been through this with Rumbull and Parlor, I 377 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: just could not believe. I mean, every day it's very 378 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: emotional to be a part of. And I think it's 379 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: something that our whole community that we're building at true 380 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: social I think everybody that's been in from the beta testing, 381 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: I think people love it. Like people come on the 382 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: platform and they say I want this or that, and 383 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: then somebody will respond, well, hey, you got to remember 384 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: it's going to take some time, so it's kind of cool. 385 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't even have to answer the questions that people 386 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: are asking because we have so many of our great 387 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: people and patriots that are on there that will answer 388 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: the questions for us as we continue to grow and 389 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: add users to the platform and make it a fun 390 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: place to be. Devin, what do you think Is Trump 391 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: ever going to rejoin Twitter? No? And like I was 392 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: telling you earlier, I mean, he has no reason to 393 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: because Twitter is a failed business model. It's not something 394 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: that we want to emulate. And most people are getting 395 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: more engagement now on true social than they get on Twitter, 396 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: So there would be no reason for President Trump to 397 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: go back on Twitter. He said publicly multiple times that 398 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: he's not going back on Twitter, and you know, I've 399 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: been off Twitter for two and a half years, so 400 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: I just don't see a reason for him to go, 401 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: and I'm confident he's not going to go. So one 402 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: of the things I'm noticing, though, is you and President 403 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: Trump begin to build a genuine, open system where conservatives 404 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: will not be discriminated against, and is Elon Musk is 405 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: making a serious effort at bringing Twitter back from the 406 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: far left that the partial answer on the left has 407 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: been to create this Department of Homeland Security Disinformation Governance Board, 408 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: which strikes me as insanely anti American and closer to 409 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist than do anything we've ever seen. What's 410 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: your response when both from your background is the chair 411 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: of the Intelligence Committee and from the work you're now 412 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: doing in the private sector trying to liberate and create 413 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: a space for people to seek truth. What's your reaction 414 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: to the whole idea of the government having a disinformation 415 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: governance board. Well, first of all, as you said, this 416 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: is something straight out of the old Soviet Union and 417 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist playbook. And I believe that this was 418 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: a direct response to true social being created, because, as 419 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, newt it takes a long time for those 420 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: gears of government to get the bureaucracies, even though they 421 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: control the bureaucracies, and they have a lot of kindred 422 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: spirits in those bureaucracies. As you know, this doesn't get 423 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: stood up overnight. And my guess is with us creating 424 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: an uncancellable platform, they wanted to use the levers of government, 425 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: and I think the reason they created that disinformation boarder 426 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: was precisely because of what we're building, a true social 427 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: and I think when Elon Musk came along and made 428 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: an offer for Twitter, I think that made it even 429 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: more important to come with their Disinformation Board so that 430 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: they could try to regulate to their benefit social media. 431 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: Now the left has enough headwinds going into this next election. 432 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a bonanza for not only 433 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: a company like ours, True Social but also I think 434 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: for the Republicans heading into the midterms to just beat 435 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: the living crap out of the administrations. They're putting a 436 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: pause on this, but just to finish up. I mean, 437 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: the character that they put in charge of this, it's 438 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: almost like you couldn't make it up. This was the 439 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: Queen of disinformation. Not only was she a true believer 440 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: in the Russia hoax, which by the way, means she 441 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: was probably in on it. You almost had to be 442 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: in on it to promote as much as she did. 443 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: She was also a big proponent of the Hunter Biden 444 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: Laptop from Hell being Russian disinformation. So you really can't 445 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: make this up that they pick someone like this that's 446 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: totally nuts, totally left wing something like this. There should 447 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: be a lesson made of this, and I hope that Republicans, 448 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: if they get control of this, I mean, they need 449 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: to actually subpoena documents and figure out how did this 450 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: exactly start like, who in government, what politicians thought that 451 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: this is a good idea, because this is not only 452 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: a bad idea, it's a dangerous idea that leads to 453 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: very dark places for this country. If we've got government 454 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: controlled regulators deciding what's disinformation and what's not. The very 455 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: idea that they thought it was plausible is very chilling. Yeah, yeah, 456 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You did have a political career before your 457 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: technological business career. As you look back at your twenty 458 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: second district, how has it been redrawn after the census, 459 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: and what's your hunch about whether Connie Conway the Republican 460 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: or Lauren Hubbard the Democrat will win that. Well, Connie Conway, 461 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: long time Republican in our area, She's going to be 462 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: totally fine. That's to serve out the rest of my 463 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: term in my current seat as drawn, My seat actually 464 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: got kind of shifted and moved a little bit to 465 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the north, So she's just filling out my term and 466 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: then there are a couple of Republicans running, but you know, 467 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: my seat will remain in Republican control. In fact, I've 468 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: looked back Newton, Man, it was the best district I 469 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: would ever run in the new one. The question I 470 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: think in California in general is whether this trend that 471 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: we've seen in the San Joaquin Valley. I know you've 472 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: been out there many times. You know it's kind of 473 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the agricultural heartland of the country. A lot of people 474 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: don't know that California's the number one agricultural area. But 475 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: in my last two elections, we started to see a 476 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: movement of working people, especially Hispanics. There's a large number 477 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: of Mexican Americans in my area, and we started to 478 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: see a movement in the direction of the Republican Party. 479 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: Now not as much as you've seen down in Texas, 480 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: where it looks like in the southern part of Texas. 481 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: It's just been a dramatic shift. But I would be 482 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: shocked if you don't see Hispanic that head in the 483 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: same direction as what you've seen happen in Texas. I 484 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: don't know if it'll be so overwhelming, but look, as 485 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: you know Newton, if a Republican and California can get 486 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: forty or fifty percent of the Mexican American vote, it 487 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: makes Republicans viable in California again. We'll see there's a 488 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: long way to go. But California has got a lot 489 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: of problems. I'll tell you that, as you well know well. 490 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: And I also want to ask you because you in 491 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: terms of what you did, it was very courageous. I mean, 492 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: I remember when we talked about the Russia hoax and 493 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: the degree to which the left was beating you up, 494 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: and the degree to which it turned out everything you 495 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: said was true and everything Adam shift said was a lie. 496 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: What's your reaction to the trial that's now underway, which 497 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: it looks to me I absolutely proves that this was 498 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: a deliberate hoax created by the Clinton campaign in their 499 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: wise and is one of the worst undermining of American 500 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: democracy that we've seen in generations. It's astonishing, and it 501 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: all seems to me it all validates what you were 502 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: saying at the time. Yeah, I think it's a very 503 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: dark chapter in American history. And look, you're a historian, 504 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: so you'll understand this. But when the history has written 505 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: about this dark chapter in American history, and I hope 506 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: we come to light soon, But you go back to 507 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: late twenty fifteen, early sixteen, you've got people within the 508 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: DOJ and the FBI working with the Clinton campaign targeting 509 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his associates and really the Republican Party 510 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: because he becomes the Republican Party nominee. And they justified 511 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: it at the time because the fake news media said, well, 512 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: Donald Trump can never be president, so they justified it 513 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: in their own minds, and it became a very slippery 514 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: slope because then they're getting FISA warrants on people listening 515 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: to own calls, running spies into the Republican Party's nominees campaign, 516 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: and then afterwards when he wins, they continued it, and 517 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: that's who you see on trial right now because they 518 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: developed kind of a new narrative. This is a very 519 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: slim part which you're seeing now with Susman. It's a 520 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: very narrow part of the entire Russia hopes that really 521 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: bogged down the entire country for the presidency, and it 522 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: led to Moeller, which was a completely corrupt process where 523 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: they weaponized the Department of Justice and had a special counsel. 524 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: And I had to stand there and say this was 525 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: all a bunch of crap, and I had to take 526 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: on all of these people in the media, but it 527 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: really was. I mean, I hadn't seen anything that would 528 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: resembled Trump or Republicans dealing with Vladimir Putin. It was preposterous. 529 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: But let's think about where this goes. It goes to, well, 530 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: let's just impeach you president, right, not once, but let's 531 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: do it twice. Let's call all our opponents. Essentially, it 532 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: was McCarthyism all over again, nupe and you know, basically, 533 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: anybody they didn't like, they call them an agent of 534 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. And then this went on and on, and 535 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: justice has been delayed for so long that you know, 536 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: really the country's depending on Durham to right this wrong. 537 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: But let's think about how far we slipped. One day, 538 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: it's it's just Donald Trump, and let's go after him. 539 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: And where are we at? And here in the last 540 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: few weeks something that I know that I never imagined, 541 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: but for the Supreme Court to leak documents and for 542 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: protesters to be at the Supreme Court Justice's house. We 543 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: have gone a long, long way to destruction of every 544 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: single institution in this country. And I think eventually historians 545 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: are going to have to look upon this period and say, 546 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: this started with Clinton and the Obama Biden administration, and 547 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: they corrupted the whole government to where ultimately some thought 548 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: it was okay to leak the proceedings of the Supreme Court, 549 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: And now you have the media basically Okaine and holding 550 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: the Biden administration or Merit Garland responsible for justice is 551 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: being targeted at their own homes. And remember it was okay, 552 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: you go back, Oh it's Trump. And then oh, because 553 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, remember they targeted me and my family at 554 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: my home. Right, Oh, it's just a congressman. They have 555 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: to put up with that, right death, Oh, you know 556 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: that they have to deal with that. But then state 557 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: courts and federal courts didn't do anything about it, you know, 558 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: they let General Flynn sit there and flounder for so long, 559 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: and then eventually it ends up with where we're at now, 560 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: where I think Clarence Thomas is rightfully very concerned. So 561 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: hopefully Durham can write this and people can serve time 562 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: in jail, and we're at the beginning of this. We've 563 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: got Sessman now and he needs to be able to 564 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: prove a larger conspiracy case, and we'll see if he 565 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: can get there. It does strike me that we were 566 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: very close to mob rule replacing the rule of law 567 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: in the Constitution, and that this is a process that's 568 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: been growing. I want to thank you. 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