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Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna be a Monday for the Ages. What

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Speaker 1: the last four days we had? We're live, We're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's Doc Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may

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Speaker 1: be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: You got a lot of choices out there. Sark Steve Sarkisian.

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Speaker 1: Stop fight Urban Meyer, Stop fight Lane. Kevin's going to LSU.

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Speaker 3: What don't we make it?

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Speaker 1: Affairs? What do we make of Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh. Let's

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Speaker 1: not waste any time one hour from now? Where Colin

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Speaker 1: was right? Where Colin was wrong? So you heard the chance? Potentially?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear the chance in Pittsburgh as the Bills

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Speaker 1: were rolling over the Steelers fire Mike Tomlin chance? And

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Speaker 1: I feel like the last eight years the Steelers are

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Speaker 1: the exact same team. They'll finish slightly above five hundred.

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Speaker 1: They have the bottom ten defense. They'll be better early

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Speaker 1: than November, December and January. And the quarterback plays limited

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Speaker 1: because they can't run the football and the old line

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Speaker 1: is always in crisis. That's what they are. You can

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Speaker 1: keep running through quarterbacks and left tackles and wide receivers

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Speaker 1: and drama and running backs coordinators, doesn't matter the guy

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Speaker 1: in charge. Mike Tomlin is tone def to offense. NFL

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Speaker 1: head coaches have gotten younger, smarter, and more offensive, and

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Speaker 1: these older defensive guys Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera Lovey Smith, they feel outdated. And I said this,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, go to Minnesota or retire. You're just stepping

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Speaker 1: into Tomlin's quicksand And I would have no problem hiring

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, say in Miami to stabilize the Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: I think he'd be a really good fit there.

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Speaker 1: But look around the league right now, who's the number

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Speaker 1: one seed in the AFC. Sean Payton offensive coach, the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars never deliver. Oh wait, now they're gonna win their

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Speaker 1: division potentially. Liam Cohen offensive coach. Sean McVeigh is number

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Speaker 1: two seed in the NFC. You know who number one is,

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Speaker 1: offensive coach Ben Johnson. I would argue Kyle Shanan's done

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Speaker 1: a better job coaching than anybody outside of Mike ravel

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Speaker 1: this year, another offensive coach. Offensive coaches are younger, they're smarter,

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Speaker 1: they're more current.

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Speaker 3: And I said this last week.

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Speaker 1: Offensive coaches can fix problems in the season. Defensive guys

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Speaker 1: feel like they need an off season. And I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but on defense they're old. The Steelers are expensive, Darius Slay,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, they're past their prime. They're paying a fortune

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Speaker 1: for it. They got gray beards on offense and on defense.

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Speaker 1: They took a defensive tackle instead of Jackson Dark. What

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Speaker 1: are you doing again? No urgency? This is a criticism

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Speaker 1: I said about Pete Carroll. Do you know Smith's not

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Speaker 1: good enough? Ron Rivera said, I got to Sam Howe,

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Speaker 1: not good enough, Aaron Rodgers. Don't blame him. Look around

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Speaker 1: the league. The rules have change. These old defensive guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with Demko Ryans, Mike McDonald.

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Speaker 1: They're young, they're current, they're aggressive. I mean McDonald took

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Speaker 1: over for Pete Carroll an hour later. The team was

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Speaker 1: better with the same players. So the last six Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls have featured head coaches with an offensive background. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you have to hire him. But yesterday, finally, finally,

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Speaker 1: the fans said enough. I mean, you hold Buffalo to

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Speaker 1: what to make up Buffalo this year. Here was a

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Speaker 1: stoic and an honest Mike Tomlin after.

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Speaker 4: That's an awful performance by us, but it's us. We

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Speaker 1: Obviously, May did you have a sense for how restlessly

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Speaker 4: I don't know how restless and frustrated I was, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense has been the highest paid for four years.

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Speaker 1: It's not elite. Come on now, and this is not

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Speaker 5: We need to find ways to be able to make plays,

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Speaker 5: and I mean I've never seen a team run the

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Speaker 1: And that's all that I can speak on.

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson has been in Chicago less than a year.

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Speaker 1: They already have an identity tough, physical, run the ball

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's done it in twelve thirteen weeks. Mike Vrabel,

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Speaker 1: hire him maybe in Miami. Doesn't mean he's not a

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Speaker 1: come to the realization that we have for about three

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Speaker 1: years this is not good enough. It's just not good enough.

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Speaker 1: And All Miss wasn't good enough for Lane Kiffin. Say

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Speaker 1: what you want about Kiffin, you don't have to like him.

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh to Michigan, Kiffin to LSU. They feel big. Harball

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Speaker 1: was controversial for years. Kiffin's going to be controversial every

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Speaker 1: four weeks. This is great for college football. There's an

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Speaker 1: put eyes on the program. He's just not the coach

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Speaker 1: Kiffin is. And this is not LSU much better program

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Speaker 1: have signed up for this exit, when Kiffin got.

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Speaker 3: There, you've been irrelevant forever. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think last time you won an SEC championship was

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Speaker 1: in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a manning quarterback,

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Speaker 1: arch or Eli. If I'd have told you four years ago,

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's going to burn you at the end'll make

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Speaker 1: you the number one offense. It'll be the best Old

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Speaker 1: Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody in the country

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Speaker 3: He'll leave you. It'll be ugly.

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Speaker 1: You that taken it on the spot. You date the supermodel,

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Speaker 1: she dun't you? You knew it was coming. I mean

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Speaker 1: you were cheating with Hugh Freezi years ago. So you

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Speaker 1: played the game in college football. You were paying people

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Speaker 1: when you weren't supposed to pay people. Don't get too precious,

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Speaker 1: old miss. Your history was Hugh Freeze. You supported him.

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Speaker 1: NCAA outrageous Nick Saban stopped recruiting in Mississippi with Hugh

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Speaker 1: Freeze because they were just buying players.

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Speaker 3: So you played the game before.

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Speaker 1: This is the game. It's an eight billion dollar industry.

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Speaker 1: I have complained for years about college football. It's boxing.

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Speaker 1: Bob aram Don King made a fortune and a handful

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Speaker 1: of boxers did, but it was unregular. That's why Dana

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Speaker 1: It's got a CEO, right, It's an unregulated it's I

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Speaker 1: said last week, it's bitcoin. You buy it, you better

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Speaker 1: know it's turbulent and you're gonna get scorched. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: have bad days, and that's college football. I don't love

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Speaker 1: I don't love leaving before the playoff. But college football's

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Speaker 1: calendar's always been weird, and college football has put up

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Speaker 1: no boundaries or regulations on this. So the last fifty years,

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Speaker 1: all miss five times has had a ten win season.

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Speaker 1: Kiffin gave you three, and he gave you You're only

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Speaker 1: eleven win regular season. Okay, So and you got busted

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Speaker 3: I can go through the coaches. Nobody wins there.

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Speaker 1: Kiff It not only onenty one big, and the SEC

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Speaker 1: has always had one rule, always eat or be eaten.

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Speaker 1: This was bound to happen. And you don't have to

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Speaker 1: like Kiffin, and you don't have to like the way

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Speaker 1: it looks. But he's a ladder climber and a lot

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Speaker 1: of coaches are and I get it. Nick Saban get

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Speaker 1: out of here at Bama. USC fired him on a tarmac.

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen's reality is Al Davis fired him weirdly. USC

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Speaker 1: fired him strangely. You think he's losing sleep. And if

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Speaker 1: you didn't know that going in, that's a you problem. Now,

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Speaker 1: this ridiculous comment that Lane Kiffen should be allowed to

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Speaker 1: coach at Old Miss having the LSU job. That's the

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Speaker 1: dumbest thing I've ever heard. So I don't blame Old

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Speaker 1: Miss for moving off him. I mean, that's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: People that say that on other networks. You've heard a

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Speaker 1: relegation in the English Premier League, you should be relegated

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Speaker 1: as an on air talent. If you're arguing that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous. That's not going to happen. I'm rooting

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Speaker 1: for Old Miss in the playoffs. Selfishly, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: watch Lane Kiffin. I wanted to see it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're as good as is most teams, but I

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Speaker 1: But come on, man, college football it's like a weird

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Speaker 1: black market economy. They don't have a CEO, they don't

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Speaker 1: what you have in college football. They're called conference commissioners.

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Speaker 1: All they care about is themselves. Here was Lane Kiffin after.

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Speaker 6: This was a very challenging, difficult day. You know, We

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Speaker 6: went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying

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Speaker 6: to figure out a way, you know, to make this

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Speaker 6: his decision, and I totally respect that. I understand that decision,

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Speaker 6: and you know, so I just totally wish the team

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Speaker 6: the best of the luck, wish that I was coaching,

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Speaker 6: but understand that it was a very challenging position for

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Speaker 6: you know, just really really hope they play really well

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Speaker 6: and go win the national championship.

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Speaker 1: Good job by Marty Smith there, Hey, listen this idea

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Speaker 1: that Kiffin's trying.

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Speaker 3: To direct the program.

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Speaker 1: Have any of you guys ever gotten a great job,

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Speaker 1: because when you do, you take three or four people

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Speaker 1: from your great job to the next job. It didn't

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Speaker 1: take the entire staff. He's not trying to direct the program.

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Speaker 1: He's not rooting against Old Miss, but he's now the

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Speaker 1: at that little airport in Oxford, though, I got to admit,

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Speaker 1: that I could watch that on a loop. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but it's always remarkable to me when people get into

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Speaker 1: relationships with people who have a clear ID, who have

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Speaker 1: a clear brand. And I know Lane, I always got

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Speaker 1: along with him. Fine, he's not for everybody. I think

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Speaker 1: he's grown up. But you'd have taken him if I'd

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Speaker 1: have told you. He's gonna burn you in the end.

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Speaker 1: Well again, it's another offensive coach who remembers Chicago. Remember

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Speaker 1: Remember how bad opening drives had been for Denver or

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Speaker 1: that Sean Payton and Ben Johnson win all these close games,

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Speaker 1: or Andy Reid did last year. They are very good

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Speaker 1: at several things. They were just bad defensively by their

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Speaker 1: standards last night. The Rams were bad yesterday by their standards.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young fifteen to twenty.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean listen the one score games eight and two.

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Speaker 7: You saw this dat on the screen five and zero

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Speaker 7: when trailing in the fourth. We can say that's intestinal

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Speaker 7: fortitude and toughness and smart. Well, you know what, the

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Speaker 7: Chiefs last year unbelievable in one score games. This year,

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Speaker 7: wouldn't you know it? They can't win any of them.

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Speaker 7: They're really struggling in one score games. So this stuff

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Speaker 7: kind of goes back and forth. You have to admit

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Speaker 7: the ball is bouncing their way a lot. Yeah, and Colin,

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Speaker 7: I cannot wait to see who they play if they

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Speaker 7: get the two season. I think we think but the

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Speaker 7: Patriots will probably be the one because of the schedule.

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Speaker 7: If they play.

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Speaker 3: Buffalo, I'm taking Denver.

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Speaker 7: I'm taking well, we had to hit on that one.

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Speaker 7: If they play the could they play the Ravens. I

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Speaker 7: don't know if the Ravens could could get the wild

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Speaker 7: card because that division is kind of wonky right now.

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Speaker 7: We'll see. I don't know if the Chiefs play Denver

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Speaker 7: round three? Are you taking Denver? I just I think

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Speaker 7: we need to pump the brakes on how dominant this

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Speaker 7: team is. Enjoy it while it lasts. I see you grinning.

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Speaker 7: You know the story here like this is not a

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Speaker 7: great football Dee've got it play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody keeps telling me the Bears aren't that

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Speaker 1: good and the Broncos aren't that good.

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Speaker 7: They keep winning, they do, they do, they are. Let

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Speaker 7: the good times roll, right, final story, Colin, let's go

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Speaker 7: back to Thanksgiving. You know we totally nailed this game

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Speaker 7: on Friday or on Wednesday, Sorry, Packers would beat the Lions.

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Speaker 7: Jordan Love would be incredible, Christian Watson would be amazing.

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Speaker 7: But what I didn't anticipate with these high leverage downs

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Speaker 7: green Bay two touchdowns on fourth down.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Meanwhile, the Lions, they just cannot get this fourth down

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Speaker 7: thing right all of a sudden. And here's Dan Campbell. Well, no, actually,

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Speaker 7: here's Jordan Love talking about the excitement about the Packers win.

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Speaker 12: I think be able to go out there on fourth

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Speaker 12: down and execute and make some big time plays is

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Speaker 12: really the difference in that game right there. So you know,

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Speaker 12: that's what it comes down to, is just going out

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Speaker 12: there excuting and those got to have the plays. And

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Speaker 12: we made plays to night everybody. I mean, we're staying aggressive.

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Speaker 12: You know, we got a chance to go out there

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Speaker 12: in ice a game, you know, not even give them

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Speaker 12: a chance to get the ball back, and we stayed aggressive,

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Speaker 12: and I love it.

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Speaker 1: We made plays right there. Let me say this, Green

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Speaker 1: Bay's offense was broken three weeks ago. It was we

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Speaker 1: both said it's broken. One of their young offensive coach

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Speaker 1: he fixed it in season. Pittsford can't do that. So,

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Speaker 1: and the other thing I'm taking in this game is

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Speaker 1: and there were some really weak officiating both sides.

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Speaker 7: It was now you all weekend it.

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Speaker 3: Was yeah green Bay.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going green Bay deserves to win. But it's

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Speaker 1: funny if I told you there was this quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, tall, athletic, big arm, highly aggressive, never throws picks,

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, WHOA can people finally acknowledge Jordan Loves

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Speaker 1: really talented to go into that environment.

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Speaker 3: I mean every trait. I like everything he does.

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Speaker 1: I like when you get upside and he doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: a lot of picks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the kid is You got to

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Speaker 3: give Green Bay credit.

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Speaker 1: When he came out of Utah State, he did not

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Speaker 1: have a good final year in college, and my sources

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Speaker 1: were totally mixed on him. They were like some just

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Speaker 1: were not into it, way reckless, way loose. This kid

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Speaker 1: has been coached hard, coached fairly. He is a tremendous player.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a stat that the gamblers like EPA per play,

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Speaker 7: Jordan Love is the number one quarterback in that by

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Speaker 7: some margin over Drake.

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Speaker 3: Man, tell people what that means.

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Speaker 7: Well, expected points added for every single play, great, every

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Speaker 7: single play and Jordan Love. I know it's no risk

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Speaker 7: at no biscuits sometimes with him, but Colin, if you

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Speaker 7: look at the numbers, he is shredding when it matters most.

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Speaker 7: And I will add this, they did lose Tucker's draft obviously,

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Speaker 7: that's a big, huge law.

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Speaker 13: Hey.

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Speaker 7: By the way, you know who's coming back, Matthew Golden.

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Speaker 7: You know who else is coming back, Jayden Reid and

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Speaker 7: Christian Watson looks healthy. Colin, this offense, I said it wednesday.

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Speaker 7: I was like, listen, if you think the Packers can

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Speaker 7: go to the super Bowl, bet them now. I think

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Speaker 7: they're the best team in the NFC. I know that

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Speaker 7: sounds crazy, but that defense. Did you see the Detroit

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Speaker 7: had ten plays stopped at the line of scrimmage or

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Speaker 7: behind it. Micah Parsons and those stunts. Now losing Wyatt

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Speaker 7: their defensive tackle, that's a big loss because he's excellent.

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Speaker 7: But I do think Green Bay, if you look like

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Speaker 7: you think you have the rams still coming out of

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Speaker 7: the NFC right well.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't take anything from the loss yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think Green Bay three weeks ago, I think we

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Speaker 1: both said on the air their offense is broken. But

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Speaker 1: these young offensive coaches do a much better job of

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Speaker 1: fixing things than these old defensive coaches. And I thought

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Speaker 1: that was an impressive win. Again, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: an egregiously officiated game, but I'm not gonna say that's

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Speaker 1: why they won their work. I mean, at one point

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Speaker 1: somebody grabbed I think it was Christian Watson's arm was grabbed,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, gall it it was blatant missed by the

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Speaker 1: official staring at it. So I green Bay's a really

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Speaker 1: well coached, smartly quarterbacked team that added the guy they

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Speaker 1: needed to an elite pass rusher. Because what Green Bay

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Speaker 1: has been leading games in the fourth quarter for thirty years,

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Speaker 1: Rarely of that Reggie White closed wins. This is another guy.

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Speaker 1: Micah closes the door. He's there, Mario on Rivera. He'll

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Speaker 1: close out a lead, you know, with the you need

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Speaker 1: twelve pitches left, Yeah, Burl.

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Speaker 7: Click on the Lions, Colin. It looks like they're probably

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Speaker 7: gonna miss the playoffs. We said in the offseason losing

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Speaker 7: Ben Johnson would be massive. We look like idiots for

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Speaker 7: like seven weeks. How about now we weren't wrong, We

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Speaker 7: were just early. I'm just telling you, Lions, I'm in

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Speaker 7: Ross Saint Brown's gonna be out a couple weeks now.

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Speaker 7: They were thrown to a guy who played lacrosse I

553
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Speaker 7: think six months ago. I don't know what's going on

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Speaker 7: with the Lions. They're in trouble as they can't run

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Speaker 7: the ball.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the News, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Philadelphia Circle in the drain the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I think we all have to write apology letters to

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that net.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noonon Eastern a EM Pacific Saturday, for.

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Speaker 7: The first time in conference history, number one and number

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Speaker 7: two collide in the Big Ten title Game. Heisman hopefuls

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Speaker 7: collide as Julian Sayan leads Number one Ohio State against

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Speaker 7: Fernando Mendoza and number two Indiana. Coverage begins Saturday six

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Speaker 7: thirty Eastern on fives.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this something about this game. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you Ohio State doesn't need to win. I'm honestly,

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Speaker 1: they just played in Michigan. I don't think they'll have

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Speaker 1: a letdown, but the game could mean more to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I don't think conference championships are going to be around long.

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Speaker 1: I think the playoff eliminates the need. We both know

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Speaker 1: Indiana and Ohio State are top twelve teams.

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Speaker 3: We know it.

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Speaker 1: It's the one's got a great offense, one's got a

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Speaker 1: great defense and a pretty good offense. So I like

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Speaker 1: that game. I'm gonna watch it. I'm really interested. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I look at that and I think to myself,

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Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's better. And if Ohio State hadn't

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Speaker 1: played Michigan, I think they'd win, maybe convincingly. But it's

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Speaker 1: a college football now has changed a lot. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot closer to the NFL, where not every game at

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Speaker 1: the end of the season matters if you've already qualified

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Speaker 1: for the playoffs. I'm fascinated to watch the Hoosiers in

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, but beating Michigan, and that's the key to it,

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Speaker 1: and they did.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you sell a nice house, really nice house, and

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Speaker 1: you buy another house because it fits your family. Now,

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Speaker 1: the people who bought your old nice house, they really

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Speaker 1: needed that house more than you did. And it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you don't respect them or that you didn't like

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Speaker 1: the house. But they are just different times in a

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Speaker 1: family's life. Not having kids, you can live one place.

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Speaker 1: Now you got a bunch of kids. You got to

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Speaker 1: live in a good school district. That to me was

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Speaker 1: Owa's the Micah Parsons trade. Dallas loved Micah, but the

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Speaker 1: players around him weren't good enough, and Jerry Jones needed flexibility.

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Speaker 1: I said this during the Mica trade, and I felt

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Speaker 1: like I was on an island. Yes, it's good for

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Speaker 1: green Bay. It's great for Dallas too. They got the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure of the house they needed for their family. They

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Speaker 1: were atrocious defensively and agreed just lea bad against the

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Speaker 1: run and signing Micah.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't gonna save that or change that.

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Speaker 1: But getting Quinnon Williams and Kenny Clark and still two

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Speaker 1: first round picks, they have flexibility and are now a

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Speaker 1: really good defense with the Marvin Overshown healthy. They're still

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Speaker 1: top two in the NFL in pressures without Micah, and

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Speaker 1: now they're great against the run. The Cowboys are a

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Speaker 1: better football team without Micah. Doesn't mean you don't love

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Speaker 1: the house. It didn't provide what you needed in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay's a team with a powerful offense that needed

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Speaker 1: a closer. Micah was great for him and is great,

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Speaker 1: and MICA's still a great player, but Dallas wasn't leading

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Speaker 1: a lot of games because they couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Stop the run.

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Speaker 1: And Jerry Jones, you know, it's funny if you took

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Speaker 1: out the teams and you took out the names of

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Speaker 1: the people involved, and you just said, there's this general manager.

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Speaker 1: He stole this star receiver for a third round pick.

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Speaker 1: He guy's like a pro bowler, and he got Quinn Williams,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. He took this atrocious defense and made it excellent,

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Speaker 1: and he's still got two first round picks. You'd be like,

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Speaker 1: who was it, Howie Roseman, No, it's Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: You just don't like Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was on radio this week saying how badly

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Speaker 1: he wanted Quinn Williams then of the Jets before the

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Speaker 1: deal was.

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Speaker 13: Made, actually tried to trade actually for Williams. I wanted

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Speaker 13: a one and parsons for Williams, A one ten parsons

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Speaker 13: for Williams. I thought that much of Williams. And he's

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Speaker 13: showing him what he can do for a defense.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's just funny. Jerry took a lot

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Speaker 1: of heat. Remember he said to the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: there's one hundred billion present you with gas out there,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I'm talking to you on the telephone

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Speaker 1: rather than trying to fix our defense.

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Speaker 3: Took a lot of heat for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, people freaked out, But it looks like Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: being distracted and neglected, neglecting the cowboys. He fixed the

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Speaker 1: defense and made a hundred billion dollars in natural gas.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, we got to be fair in

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Speaker 1: this business, Jerry to me. For years it was becoming

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Speaker 1: kind of mom and pop. But the George Pickens deal,

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Speaker 1: the Quinn Williams deal, it takes guts to move off Micah,

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: who was beloved by fans. But they're a better team

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Speaker 1: without Micah because deal makers need flexibility. This is a

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Speaker 1: team that couldn't pay eight million dollars to get Derek

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Speaker 1: Henry a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: Deal Makers Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Bezos at Amazon doesn't need more money, he needs flexibility.

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00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Elon Musk doesn't need more money. Flexibility that's Jerry. Jerry's

657
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: got plenty of money. What Jerry needed was the ability

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00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: cap space to make moves and improved the entire roster,

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Speaker 1: and they have done that. This was a bad run defense.

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00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: Now it's excellent. Your eyes are not deceiving you. They

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Speaker 1: beat Kansas City. They were the better team than Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: All right. Philadelphia is a mess and a talented mess.

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Speaker 1: But the Bears beat him in Philly, and they don't

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Speaker 1: have any identity right now. The Eagles offense with a

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Speaker 1: good old line, tight end, star receiver Saquon Barkley, Jalen

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00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: Hurts yards per game twenty fourth, third down percentage near

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the league, three and out percentage worse

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Speaker 1: in the league. Punts tied for twenty nine. So and

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Speaker 1: they didn't just get ugly in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: They've been completely uneven since the first week. They have

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Speaker 1: had an offensive identity crisis for about seventy five to

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of Nick Sirianni's tenure. So, and I've said

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Speaker 1: this about Nick Sirianni. He's not an elite scheme coach

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Speaker 1: like Dan Campbell in Detroit. You can argue he's a

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Speaker 1: good culture coach. He's good in the locker room, although

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00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: that sometimes sounds like she's got a great personality. But

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Speaker 1: He's not a great scheme coach, so it's much harder

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Speaker 1: for him than it is like a McVeigh, a Shanahan

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Speaker 1: of Ben Johnson or a Matt Lafleur to fix something

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00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: in season. He did it that one year because he

681
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Speaker 1: just gave up the play calling to a really good

682
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: coach who now leads the Colts, Shane Stikeen. But it

683
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: does feel like an unsolvable problem because part of being

684
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: a great coach is constantly tweaking. Chargers lose both offensive tackles.

685
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Speaker 1: Niners lose Fred Warner Bosa in their first round pick.

686
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: It's not just August to January. You have to constantly tweak.

687
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Speaker 1: And we've seen these issues since Week one, and they're

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Speaker 1: not tweaking them.

689
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Speaker 3: Because they can't.

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Speaker 1: The GM has shown an ability in an off season

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Speaker 1: to tweak. It's interesting. I think Nick Sirianni feels almost

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Speaker 1: like a defensive coach. It's about brute strength, be aggressive,

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Speaker 1: have a vibe, be tough. What they need is tweaking

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Speaker 1: Green Bay three weeks ago, broken offense, Green Bay now

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender. You gotta constantly tweak. It's been since

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00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: Week one, it's been a mess. So I just look

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Speaker 1: around this league right now, and it's very rare when

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Speaker 1: you can get a coach like Ben Johnson who is

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Speaker 1: not only a CEO and a culture builder, but good

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Speaker 1: with schematics. That's McVeigh Shanahan. I think Brabel's pretty good

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Speaker 1: at that. But there's no easy answer. Everybody wants them

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Speaker 1: to move off the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: He's not McVeigh. Who's calling play who here's Nick Sirian.

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Speaker 11: We're not changing the play caller, but we will evaluate everything.

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Speaker 11: I have confidence in the entire group. Again, I know

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Speaker 11: it will keep coming back to Kevin. But again, if

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Speaker 11: I thought it was one thing, then you make those changes.

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Speaker 11: Obviously it's a lot of different things. But yeah, I

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Speaker 11: don't think it is the you know, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. Remember when the Rams earlier

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Speaker 1: this season, Puka Nakua got banged up and they had

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Speaker 1: all sorts of injuries. They literally mid season went to

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00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel. Let's play three tight ends. Caught everybody off guard.

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Speaker 1: That's tweaking. That is modern coaching. So and Lafleur solving

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Speaker 1: a broken offense, that's real coaching. God, the Bears early

716
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Speaker 1: in this season couldn't get the basics down the operational

717
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Speaker 1: stuff they do now. So the Eagles are zero and

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Speaker 1: four when Saquon Barkley gets thirteen carries or few they

719
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Speaker 1: face the Bears. Chicago runs at forty seven times, Eagles

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Speaker 1: run at seventeen with that whole line. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think these are solvable.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, you know.

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Speaker 1: I love the defense, and there are teams that are

724
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Speaker 1: just better on one side of the ball than the other.

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Speaker 1: But this league, the coaching is younger, it's smarter, and

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Speaker 1: you got to be a little bit of a psychologist

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Speaker 1: and a therapist and a doctor that makes home visits.

728
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Speaker 1: Got problems to solve. And this has been around since

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Speaker 1: week one. They still can't solve it. So j Mack,

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Speaker 1: people keep talking about how good is Denver in Chicago?

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Speaker 1: Here's my question, how good's Philadelphia if they can't solve

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Speaker 1: their offense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you mentioned this before. Some teams peak early.

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Speaker 7: Did the Eagles maybe peak a little bit early? I

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Speaker 7: saw a weird stat that since Nakobe Dean, they're good.

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Speaker 7: Linebacker from Georgia came back. Jihad Campbell, who has been

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Speaker 7: unbelievable this season, is barely playing. He didn't play one

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Speaker 7: defensive snap against the Bears, who ran the ball down

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Speaker 7: their throat, and I'm like, you know that maybe thing.

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Speaker 7: You know, they're just going through a tough transitional time.

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Speaker 7: I think they'll be okay. There's still a dangerous team

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Speaker 7: obviously with Hertz and that defense. But you're right, that

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Speaker 7: was a bad eye opening loss.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt Hasselback, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, both Steve

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Speaker 1: Sarkesian and Urban Meyer stop by big story of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: You could have argued Lane Kiffin kind of blowing up

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Speaker 1: the SEC going to LSU.

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Speaker 3: How are you now,