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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House Supports

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and

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Speaker 1: I'm Caroline. And since this is unofficially wedding week or officially,

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Speaker 1: should we say officially totally officially, Yeah, it's officially wedding

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Speaker 1: week on Stuff Mom Never Told You because this is

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Speaker 1: the beginning of June, which is also the beginning of

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Speaker 1: wedding season. That's right. And earlier in the week we

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Speaker 1: talked about gay weddings, and today we have a fantastic

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Speaker 1: interview to share with you from the writer Jen Doll,

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Speaker 1: who recently published a hilarious memoir called Save the Date. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Her book actually stemmed out of a post on The

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Speaker 1: Hairpin a couple of years ago where she basically recounted

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Speaker 1: all of the weddings she had attended. And I read

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Speaker 1: it in awe because I mean, I've I've been to

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Speaker 1: a good chunk of weddings, but nowhere near the number

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Speaker 1: that she has attended. Yeah, she's been too. I think

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Speaker 1: there were seventeen listed in that Hairpin post, and she's

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Speaker 1: been to even more than that. And so in the interview,

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Speaker 1: one of the first questions I asked her is how

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Speaker 1: she's managed to go to so many weddings. Um, do

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Speaker 1: you remember the first wedding you went to? Caroline? Oh? Gosh, Um,

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Speaker 1: probably my uncle No. Oh, No, I was the flower

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Speaker 1: girl for the wedding of um We. We grew up

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Speaker 1: next to a Greek family in Marietta, or I grew

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Speaker 1: up next to a Greek family and I was their

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Speaker 1: flower girl for one of their daughters. And it's funny

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Speaker 1: because you know, everybody in the entire church had really

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Speaker 1: dark hair, and I was here's like this little blonde

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Speaker 1: and people are like, who did she belong to? But

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Speaker 1: you didn't care? But I didn't care. No, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was That was my first wedding experience. The first

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Speaker 1: one that I remember was when my oldest brother, who's

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Speaker 1: a bridesmaid. And it felt like prom for me because

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Speaker 1: there was the whole process of getting fitted for a

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Speaker 1: the only downside of which was that it happened in

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Speaker 1: August in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and thus it was a

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Speaker 1: swamp outside, hot swamp. My mother says, I'm not allowed

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Speaker 1: to get married in the summer. Yeah, because she'll be

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Speaker 1: too hot. Yeah, that's the funny thing about how many

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Speaker 1: summer weddings there are. It's just I've sat at an

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Speaker 1: outdoor wedding in Atlanta in July and melted. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: remember coming in. It was in June. It was a

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Speaker 1: June outdoor wedding a couple of years ago, and I

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Speaker 1: came in completely sunburned. Thanks a lot. Well, I probably does.

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Speaker 1: My fault should have put on sunscreen. Let's be real.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real. Well, and since speaking of real, let's

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Speaker 1: toss that a few relevant wedding season statistics, because Jen

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Speaker 1: dolls memoirs Save the Date is all about her experience

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Speaker 1: as being a wedding guest. So for a few numbers

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Speaker 1: to kick things off in the two thousand thirteen wedding season,

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Speaker 1: according to the Wedding Site, than not the average number

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Speaker 1: of wedding guests hundred and thirty eight. Really big wedding

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Speaker 1: is it? I have no I have no concept that

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Speaker 1: feels like a lot to me. Yeah, I well, I

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Speaker 1: know that one thirty eight is probably low compared to

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Speaker 1: some people out there who I know. For instance, my

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty eight, but I think ended up

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Speaker 1: with closer to three. Who who I know. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: so you have to spend a lot of money for

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Speaker 1: all of those guests and all of that fun time

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Speaker 1: that you're having. But if you're do in in Manhattan,

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Speaker 1: going to spend an average of eighty six thousand, nine

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen dollars. That's nuts. That's nuts, um. And

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Speaker 1: apparently one of the trends of late is that spending

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Speaker 1: guest entertainment. Apparently, in two thousand thirteen couples spent an

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Speaker 1: just gonna go ahead and throw this out there, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: for people listening who might be planning a wedding, if

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Speaker 1: you want to integrate a live podcast or a fee

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Speaker 1: into your guest entertainment, we will come. I I work

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Speaker 1: for food, I do know. I will work for food

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Speaker 1: and cash wants. Or maybe if we could just do

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Speaker 1: like a blind selection of one of the gifts on

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Speaker 1: the wedding gifts, Yeah, we could totally. We could totally

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Speaker 1: do that, so just let us know. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to share this interview that I got

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Speaker 1: to do with jendall Um. There is, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the noise too much, folks. It's it's not too bad,

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Speaker 1: but just it's more like an outdoor podcast. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: like we're all together outside at a cafe. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: I just like, close your eyes and picture Kristen and

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Speaker 1: Jendall surrounded by hundreds of podcast listeners just staring at them,

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Speaker 1: just staring at us, not creepily at all. So, with

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Speaker 1: no further ado, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce

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Speaker 1: you to Jen Doll so Gendall. For people who aren't

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Speaker 1: aware of Save the Date and your Wedding attended tabit.

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Speaker 1: How many weddings have you been to? Just to start

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Speaker 1: off at this point, I've been to approximately thirty um,

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Speaker 1: and I think there could be more that I don't remember,

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Speaker 1: but thirty are the ones that I can actually count. Um.

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Speaker 1: The book deals with seventeen weddings because I joked that

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Speaker 1: like otherwise I would have been writing the War in

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Speaker 1: any of these friends weddings. UM. Later I started to realize,

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Speaker 1: So we feel vulnerable because when we see people doing

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Speaker 1: this was like probably the hardest thing to write about.

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Speaker 1: but to try to address them, especially before intense moments

432
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Speaker 1: and perhaps wedding exactly. And yeah, so one thing I

433
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: also lived about the book was how it sprinkled with

434
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: all of your your wedding tips. Uh, if you had

435
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Speaker 1: one wedding tip to bestow upon listeners, what would it be?

436
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: Always get the French fries because um, and I mean

437
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: that metaphorically as well as specifically. But you know, there's

438
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: a scene in my book when I'm hungover after rehearsal

439
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: dinner and we've ordered food and I think I can't

440
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Speaker 1: remember if I get them or not. But the tip

441
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: is to get them because you just want to experience

442
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: life as wholly as you can, and you know, barring

443
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Speaker 1: any sort of French fry allergy, should probably get the

444
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: French fries. It's a good tip. So in September, I'm

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Speaker 1: officiating my brother's wedding, which is um funny because in

446
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Speaker 1: the book, you know, my brother and his fiance are mentioned.

447
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: They've been engaged for several years, and I think I

448
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Speaker 1: have some comment about how, um, my parents have stopped

449
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: asking when I don't know if this book was a

450
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: push to get them to actually do it. They probably

451
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: would hate it if I said that, But um, they

452
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: are doing it, which is really exciting, and they've asked

453
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Speaker 1: me to officiate, which is going to be a new role,

454
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: a new wedding guest role that I've never gotten to do,

455
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about. So obviously, since it's a

456
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: memoir as well, get pretty personal and I'm sure that

457
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: some people's identities might be masked a little bit. But

458
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Speaker 1: how was the reception of the book from say, ex

459
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Speaker 1: boy friends, friends that you might have had difficult who's

460
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Speaker 1: with which family members? Um? Some of those stories, I mean,

461
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: all names are changed except for my immediate family members,

462
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: and I wanted to respect that when when you're invited

463
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Speaker 1: to a wedding, you're the people inviting, you probably don't

464
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Speaker 1: think you're going to write a book about it. Um.

465
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: I also wanted to be very clear that these were

466
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Speaker 1: my memories and my experiences, and that's a huge point

467
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: of the book, that the experience at a wedding is

468
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: not the same for everyone, and it's not always this

469
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, Lacy walked down the aisle sort of story

470
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: that we see perpetuated in movies and TV. It can

471
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Speaker 1: be many different things, so I just I wanted to

472
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: be clear about that, and I wanted to be respectful

473
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: of the subjects from the characters. UM. I gave most

474
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Speaker 1: of the brides and grooms a chance to read early

475
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: drafts of the chapters as a fact checking move as

476
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: well as you know, f y, I, this is happening.

477
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: I hope you're okay with it, and the majority of

478
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: them wanted to read, and also we're really really excited

479
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: about it. UM. I think the other thing about the

480
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: book is that it's really not any kind of snarky

481
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Speaker 1: expose on weddings. UM. You may people may have that perception,

482
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: but really it's about most of the weddings in the

483
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: book were incredibly enjoyable. I may have made some mistakes

484
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: of them, but they were pretty lovely weddings, and most

485
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: of the couples are still together and very happy, and

486
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: that to me is really moving, and I wanted to

487
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: um kind of honor them in writing the book, not

488
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: tell them that they're dirks or that their cakes tasted bad.

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Speaker 1: You know. UM. I did also reach out to you

490
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: some ex is, including one who is probably the longest

491
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: term x I had. His name is Jason in the book,

492
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh my god, I'm so excited,

493
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: which is amazing. UM. And he's always a really great guy.

494
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: And it's just an example of the kind of people

495
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: who they might be great people, they might be great friends,

496
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: but maybe you're just not supposed to end up with them,

497
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: which is I think a good storyline to remind ourselves

498
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: of we haven't messed up by not getting married to

499
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: those people. We've actually done them and us a service

500
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: by admitting it. You know, you need to be with

501
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: the right people. Um. Now he's married and has a

502
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: baby and has a dog, and it's like super happy.

503
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: And also it was like, this is amazing. I've never

504
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: been in a book before, so that was really fun.

505
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: I UM, I do worry about some of the other characters,

506
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: but because not everyone is always depicted in the most

507
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: perfect way. But I think that of all the bad

508
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: characters in the book, I'm probably the one who has

509
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: depicted the worst. So I acknowledge that. And I also

510
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: um made sure that identities were kind of shielded in

511
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: other cases, because the point is not to you know,

512
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: de story someone's life or anything like that. It's just

513
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: to tell an honest story. And the things that I experienced.

514
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: One thinking of that honesty, was it ever challenging the

515
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: process of writing the book to either sort of push

516
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit more forward, to be more honest

517
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: and open with the reader, and also maybe giving you

518
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: pause about things that you had done but maybe you

519
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily proud of, which you're also very honest about

520
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: in the book. I think I went into like a

521
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: weird view state law writing it, and I didn't actually

522
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: think about other people reading it, which might be necessary

523
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: for any kind of memoir writing, where if you're thinking

524
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: about people reading it and how they're going to judge

525
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: you for it, you couldn't do it. And I just

526
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: was like kind of in this protected, really focused state,

527
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: and I wrote what I remember doing and feeling, and

528
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: I tried to be totally. I guess it's interesting because

529
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: when you write a memoir, you capture yourself in a

530
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: particular time and place, and there are people who have

531
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: commented things like Amazon commentors or things like that where

532
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: they're like I think Jen has a drinking problem, like

533
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: get help. And I think that that's really amusing and

534
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of not very nice, but because but it's also

535
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: a little bit shortsighted because clearly I wrote this book.

536
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: I put together weddings, um where there were open bars.

537
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: If you look at my whole life, I wasn't drinking

538
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: the way I drink at weddings every day, because that

539
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: would have been probably a really hard way to write

540
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: a book. UM. And the the sentiments that anyone gets

541
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: from a memoir are exactly what the author has put forward. UM.

542
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting to me that that's just like

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Speaker 1: how memoir works. UM. I I didn't think about reviewer

544
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: comments or negative reactions when I was writing it, because again,

545
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: that would have been probably devastating to think about. And

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: it was only until the memoir was about to be

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00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: out I think that I was like, oh my god,

548
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: people are gonna think I'm a jerk. And you know,

549
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: if they do, they do, and I have been a

550
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: joke in my life. So, UM, I don't know. I

551
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: just you just live and deal with it, I guess exactly. UM.

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00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: I realized that this is horribly clichiate question, but I

553
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: do have to ask if you were to have a

554
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: wedding in the future. Is everyone asking you this question

555
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: now about this book? If you're gonna have a wedding

556
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: at some point, do you have an idea of what

557
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: it would be able to just go to the courthouse

558
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: called a day have a big, black, lavish affair. Um.

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00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I've been asked this question a couple of times, and

560
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I actually love it because it's really funny. I mean,

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00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: I would definitely have my wedding at a circus and

562
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: ride in on an elephant. I'm just kidding. I would.

563
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't really think about what my own wedding would

564
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: look like other than I would probably well, I would

565
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: definitely have an open bar, and I would want to

566
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Speaker 1: have all the people who I love around me for it,

567
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: because I think that's the most powerful thing about weddings

568
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: that you're bringing You're bringing together all of these interwoven

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00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: relationships and friendships and um people to share in this

570
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: experience with you. That's the key thing. And I also

571
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: would want to marry someone who I like, really liked,

572
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: But basically that's it. Well, Gendall, congratulations on saved with

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Speaker 1: Date and thanks so much for meeting with me in

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn and chatting about weddings. Thank you so much, it's

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00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: been really fun. Well, thanks again to Jendall for speaking

576
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Speaker 1: with us. It was awesome to hear her perspective on weddings,

577
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: especially as someone who is a seasoned wedding veteran. Kristen,

578
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: do you have any weddings kind of up? I do

579
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: have a wedding coming up. In fact, one of my

580
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: best guy friends is getting hitched and I don't know

581
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: if it's official or not, but I've been asked to

582
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: be a groomsman, So I'm really hoping I get to

583
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: rock a lady tux. That's really my only condition. We

584
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: haven't really hashed out the details, but if I can't

585
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: wear a tux, I don't think I'm going to do it.

586
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I love it. No, dude roommate told me that if

587
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: and when he ties the knot with some special lady,

588
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: that he wants me to be a groomsman. Yeah. There

589
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: should not have to we should have to have these

590
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: gender divide. Well again, I just wanna give a huge

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00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: thanks to Jendal for meeting up and chatting in folks.

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00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I do highly recommend checking out Save the Date if

593
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: you're looking for a fun read this summer, and you

594
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: can find it on Amazon. You can also head over

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00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: to Jendall's website, which is jendal dot com to learn

596
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: more about it and also find other places that you

597
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: can pick it up. And in the meantime time, you

598
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: can also read Jen Doll's work at The Hairpin, Vulture,

599
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: and The Atlantic, as well as other places. She's everywhere, folks,

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00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: and to keep up with her, you can also follow

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: her on Twitter at This is Jen Doll. And speaking

602
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: of Twitter, if you want to keep up with Caroline

603
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: and me, you can find us at Mom's Stuff Podcast.

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00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: You can also message us on Facebook as well. Be

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00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: sure to like us while you're at it, and we've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of Facebook messages to share with you

607
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: right now. Alrighty well, I have a letter here from

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00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Brenna talking about our Women in Animation episode. She says,

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Speaker 1: first off, thank you. I was thrilled that you did

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Speaker 1: an episode on women in Disney Animation. However, I noticed

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Speaker 1: that while you talked about present day women in directorial roles,

612
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Speaker 1: you didn't discuss much on those working in the visual

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00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: development slash artistic roles in animation. There happens to be

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Speaker 1: a fantastic group of Disney associated artists. Their names are

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Speaker 1: Claire Keene, Laura le Beau, Victoria Yang, Helen Ming, ju Chen,

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00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: Brittany Lee, and Lisa Keene that are releasing a book

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00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: of their personal work. I highly recommend checking out their

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00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: work individually, as there aren't many celebrated women artists and

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Speaker 1: animation and it's important for other women to have contemporary,

620
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: positive and successful role models in a still male dominated industry.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Lovely Ladies of Animation and she

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Speaker 1: says that you can go on Amazon and the book

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Speaker 1: is available for preorder. So thank you so much, Brenna

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00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: for that heads up. And speaking of books, I've got

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Speaker 1: a letter here from Jacqueline asking for feminist book recommendations.

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Speaker 1: She writes, I'm writing because I want to see if

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Speaker 1: you can help me. My youngest cousin is eighteen and

628
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: about to graduate high school, and she's kind of a

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Speaker 1: girly girl. She's going to college in the fall, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to give her a feminist book as a present.

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Speaker 1: I don't think feminism is something she really thinks about,

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Speaker 1: and I want her to. I want her to value

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00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: herself for more than her looks. So I wanted your

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00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: help and perhaps the help of the listeners and finding

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00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: a book to give her. I want something that's accessible

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00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: to someone who is not familiar with feminism and that

637
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: isn't too heavy on feminist theory. So can you help me?

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00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for any help you can give um. So one

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: recommendation I have that might seem a little bit random

640
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: is Bossy Pants by Tina Fay, because it's hilarious memoir,

641
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: but it also has a lot of feminist undertones of

642
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: her kind of dealing with her looks and her body

643
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: and choices in school and in balancing work life stuff,

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00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: and so that might be a good kind of sneaky

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