Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: So before you came in, Daphny, I was telling Laura.
Speaker 3: So my friend Shalen who called me to say, have
Speaker 3: you ever thought of doing a rewatch podcast? Which led
Speaker 3: me to call you guys, which led to us being here,
Speaker 3: is visiting me right now with his wife and four kids.
Speaker 3: And I was telling Laura that his wife used to
Speaker 3: be my son's nanny. And at the time, she was
Speaker 3: my son's nanny from two and a half to four
Speaker 3: and a half and we adored her.
Speaker 1: My son adored her. We loved her so much.
Speaker 3: She met this nice boy at church and he proposed
Speaker 3: that was great, but then he got a job out
Speaker 3: of town.
Speaker 1: Then he was dead to me, and I was so mad.
Speaker 3: I was so much and my son was heartbroke and
Speaker 3: I was so devastated.
Speaker 1: And I'm having this moment.
Speaker 3: It's a lot like actually what we talked about with
Speaker 3: Vanessa Cheers on the podcast about how difficult times can
Speaker 3: turn around so beautifully. And I feel like God took
Speaker 3: her away and it was so awful, but then brought
Speaker 3: it back a thousand fold because now I've got her
Speaker 3: and Shalen and her sister and their four kids in
Speaker 3: my house, and it's literally like they took her away
Speaker 3: and then multiplied the love and then brought her back, and.
Speaker 1: It's been so sweet and moving, right.
Speaker 3: I think I wish I'd known we were going to
Speaker 3: do a different episode. I wish I could have brought
Speaker 3: him in to meet you guys today because it would
Speaker 3: have been so much fun because he's a big Melros
Speaker 3: Place fan.
Speaker 1: I would like to have money, so.
Speaker 4: Well, you're still dreaming about you.
Speaker 1: He's you know what it was.
Speaker 3: I was mad at them for a minute because I
Speaker 3: missed Bethany, but very quickly, like I just absolutely fall
Speaker 3: in love with them. And now they come and stay,
Speaker 3: and every time their stay gets longer and longer and
Speaker 3: longer and keeps threat and he keeps going, yeah, i'd
Speaker 3: be careful, we'll move in. I'm like, you think that's
Speaker 3: a threat, but I would love it, so.
Speaker 4: I have to want to move in, please do There's
Speaker 4: plenty of episodes that we have to do, so we
Speaker 4: should be here for a while. There's a plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 4: He could end up in here at some point.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, different people, and I think he should definitely
Speaker 2: be one.
Speaker 5: You can, like, you know, ask him about the dream
Speaker 5: and if we're.
Speaker 4: Meeting the dream, that he has his version. But we
Speaker 4: do appreciate people.
Speaker 2: And also the fact that we responded to it, and
Speaker 2: you know that Laura and I had already been thinking
Speaker 2: about it but had been let that go for a
Speaker 2: while because of other sort of logistical things and then
Speaker 2: when you just out of the blue called with this inspiration. See,
Speaker 2: I think that's exciting when we when things happened for better.
Speaker 5: Or for worse, it's how we react to it. And
Speaker 5: it's helped me make out of it.
Speaker 2: And Courtney, you know that did happen where he was
Speaker 2: taken away, Your nanny was taken away and you were
Speaker 2: just and I know things have happened to you and
Speaker 2: things have happened to me, and things seem to be
Speaker 2: like and you know, kudos to you, just like kudos
Speaker 2: to Vanessa and to all of us. How we see
Speaker 2: the positive when it finally in whatever time it takes,
Speaker 2: it comes around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's a great lesson, right And I can
Speaker 3: look at my life, how many times that this is
Speaker 3: objectively bad and it turns out for my good countless time.
Speaker 3: I think I would just sort of relax into it
Speaker 3: and go, I know this is going to turn out
Speaker 3: for my good, but fear comes in. But that's the
Speaker 3: spiritual work, right The spiritual work is to try to
Speaker 3: get to the place where you go, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to have an opinion about this, this is happening. I
Speaker 3: trust that it will turn out for the best. That's
Speaker 3: the work and that's the challenge. But this was such
Speaker 3: a huge example of that in your life because I
Speaker 3: love them so much, and it would have been so different.
Speaker 3: Had she stayed, probably she would have Jack would have
Speaker 3: gotten older, she would have left them like that was lovely,
Speaker 3: thank you. But instead it's this beautiful relationship. My house
Speaker 3: is still little kids.
Speaker 1: The sweetest thing.
Speaker 5: That's great.
Speaker 4: That's great, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: My giant just really quickly. So my son now is
Speaker 3: sixteen and six feet tall. So to watch him play
Speaker 3: with her little kids, she and I can't stop crying.
Speaker 4: YEA, so sweet, No, we both keeping.
Speaker 3: Are you seeing this are It's so sweet how these
Speaker 3: things come back around.
Speaker 1: We never would have known. It's the sweetest thing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 2: On the show, all right, So speaking of trust, you
Speaker 2: guys are gonna trust me today because I said I
Speaker 2: wanted to do the rundown. It's usually for a job
Speaker 2: and you know, but I really wanted to try it,
Speaker 2: try it, mix things up, and so I watched it
Speaker 2: twice this morning.
Speaker 1: Look at you doing your homework.
Speaker 4: I can press.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just digging this show now because all of
Speaker 2: these years later, I get to relax and see things
Speaker 2: just as an audience, like we've talked about. And one
Speaker 2: thing I noticed about this episode, which is called I
Speaker 2: Promise Broken, is that, you know how we talked about before,
Speaker 2: Like usually there's a storyline like A stories maybe more
Speaker 2: serious and B stories less serious, like they've been.
Speaker 5: Doing that balance.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, guys, but I felt in
Speaker 2: this one there was no light story. I felt like
Speaker 2: that was they were all adulting in this episode, like
Speaker 2: I've never lots happened.
Speaker 5: Yep, you know they were dealing with really make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know there's the banter with Alison and
Speaker 2: Billy constantly, but there was serious issues.
Speaker 4: Oh thank god.
Speaker 1: I was like, because I'm.
Speaker 3: Thinking of the storyline, I'm thinking, well, I did think
Speaker 3: I played it a little angry, but I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't really gill that.
Speaker 2: Do well, let me say everyone was adult thing. And
Speaker 2: then Billy was doing his best a lot.
Speaker 4: Billy was acknowledging his immaturity.
Speaker 3: I just kept thinking how adorable he was. We did,
Speaker 3: we went back. We haven't had a shirtless scene for
Speaker 3: a while, and he came out for no apparent reason
Speaker 3: without a shirt.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh that, thank you for that.
Speaker 4: That was lovely. Yeah, that was nice.
Speaker 2: He will never not be Billy. And then our guest stars.
Speaker 2: So this was written by Darren Starr and Chuck Pratt.
Speaker 4: Charles Pratt.
Speaker 2: Charles I realized, I remembered wrote my first movie ever,
Speaker 2: a horror movie for Paramount Initiation. So he was a
Speaker 2: writer on that. But then you know, of course he
Speaker 2: went on to do Desperate House with so Doug and
Speaker 2: Marsha Doug and Marsha and yeah, so anyway, those are
Speaker 2: the two men who wrote it, and the director was
Speaker 2: Nancy Malone and our favorite child.
Speaker 3: It's funny because before so we have little cameras on
Speaker 3: as well, we're doing the podcast. We were all adjusting
Speaker 3: our cameras up and she was the one who taught
Speaker 3: me that. I remember her sitting me down and saying okay,
Speaker 3: showing me the camera and going okay, this is if
Speaker 3: you're looking down at the camera. This is if you're
Speaker 3: looking up at the camera. And she was showing me
Speaker 3: the difference, and that's where I learned it. That's so funny, right,
Speaker 3: So it's things that we just yes. And then there
Speaker 3: are some guest stars in.
Speaker 2: Here is Marcia Cross. So Marcia Cross, here we are
Speaker 2: in episode eleven and she made an appearance. I thought
Speaker 2: she wasn't coming until later.
Speaker 3: In coming she Remember when we talked to Tom and
Speaker 3: he said that they purposely played it with a little
Speaker 3: bit of a flirtation to sort of plant the seed
Speaker 3: and I will get to it. But I thought she
Speaker 3: came in with so much confidence. I thought, Wow, she
Speaker 3: really took the scene she was on like that. That's impressive.
Speaker 2: Jane and Michael are. We're in the apartment at night.
Speaker 2: It's the whole group. Remember those group scenes we were
Speaker 2: talking about. So they're all watching home movies and Jane
Speaker 2: and Michael's apartment and they're watching childhood videos and it's
Speaker 2: Jane as a baby.
Speaker 4: So of course the whole group knows.
Speaker 2: That she's pregnant and they are all these baby coming vibes.
Speaker 2: There's a crib setup. We saw that happening before. Everyone
Speaker 2: in the building has now gathered to watch these childhood videos,
Speaker 2: which I thought it was.
Speaker 5: I literally love the group now.
Speaker 1: I like when we're all together of it.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting too because we've had so many of
Speaker 3: our castmates come in and sit down with us, so
Speaker 3: I feel extra super yummy warm, like when I saw
Speaker 3: Vanessa's like, oh Vanessa's we just reconnected with her.
Speaker 1: It's so sweet.
Speaker 3: That's a been Laura and I were talking about before
Speaker 3: we started, how much fun this has turned out to be, right,
Speaker 3: Like how much I genuinely look forward to getting to
Speaker 3: sit and hang out with you guys. And with the
Speaker 3: castmates coming into that's been such a lovely surprise all
Speaker 3: of us. We stayed sort of connected, but really I
Speaker 3: feel so current with everybody now.
Speaker 1: That's been such a great little benefit.
Speaker 4: And that's particular scene just so cute because it was
Speaker 4: like a full people pile gathered to watch her childhood videos,
Speaker 4: and like the ancient film camera that was really and
Speaker 4: stuff and and like Matt's character going, how much longer
Speaker 4: is this? But it was still like they all showed
Speaker 4: up for it, and corn I feel like, yeah, it
Speaker 4: was like because Alison had the popcorn maker that she
Speaker 4: was carrying back to apartment. Did you notice that it didn't.
Speaker 6: The air popper air oh whatever, not quite the airpo
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 2: It was like my eighties. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I didn't bring popcorn. I brought the pop.
Speaker 4: Right because well, everybody is like a poplug to watch,
Speaker 4: you know, James hilarious.
Speaker 2: So it stops right in the middle of it, and
Speaker 2: they're like, they don't know what happened, but the movie
Speaker 2: just stopped, and he sends everyone home.
Speaker 5: Michael sends everyone home.
Speaker 3: For you younger viewers, that's because film used to be
Speaker 3: actual film and it would be spliced and if it
Speaker 3: fell apart, you had to be able to tape it
Speaker 3: back together.
Speaker 1: The kids are like, what.
Speaker 4: Movie over? And when it comes to an end, we've
Speaker 4: heard of something in and cut off. It's digital.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube or your next video. No, that's not
Speaker 1: how it worked.
Speaker 5: And they don't know the sex of the baby.
Speaker 2: So we're at Alison and Billy's apartment and we walk
Speaker 2: they go into the apartment after the little movie thing,
Speaker 2: and Alice is like God, it smells in here that
Speaker 2: guys smell and socks and T shirts. And you know,
Speaker 2: if anyone listening has ever had a room maader housemaid
Speaker 2: or an apartment made of a guy, they can totally relate.
Speaker 2: They know their stuff everywhere. They're just not as neat
Speaker 2: as most people.
Speaker 3: Especially one time when Jack was playing basketball and we
Speaker 3: brought a whole bunch of his friends over after practice
Speaker 3: and they were all playing video games in his room
Speaker 3: and I walked in and now we're later like, whoa
Speaker 3: going to practice? Didn't shower, all sat together in a room.
Speaker 3: I was like that at thirteen year old boys together
Speaker 3: after practice, you've had god.
Speaker 4: I have a jacket and you're referring to your Jack,
Speaker 4: but let's have giant and but it was.
Speaker 3: It's very intense. So I was like, oh, I know
Speaker 3: what she's talking about. I know, how do they not
Speaker 3: smell it?
Speaker 4: Or when you like have to pick somebody up from
Speaker 4: practice and you you end up picking three or four of.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, like you just casually roll down the windows by something.
Speaker 5: Because you don't want to shame them, but boy do
Speaker 5: they stink.
Speaker 3: They also teenage boys don't care, right, Like they laugh
Speaker 3: at their socks.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: But this is, by the way, when Alison is carrying
Speaker 4: the popcorn popper when they entered the apartment, did you
Speaker 4: not notice it? Because they returned from the film watching
Speaker 4: and she's carrying the popcorn popper and she goes, WHOA,
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: Looking at my dress.
Speaker 3: I wasn't a fan of the dress.
Speaker 4: That I love. Courtney notices we're like often on like
Speaker 4: we're watching.
Speaker 3: Oh just wait, I'm going to go off on an
Speaker 3: outfit later in the show. Like part of it is
Speaker 3: I know now what looks good on me. I would
Speaker 3: never wear that neckline, that cut on me. I would
Speaker 3: never wear that now.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, it's all right.
Speaker 3: I wish you young Courtney, Alison, I know, and Courtney
Speaker 3: have come a long way. Allison somewhere is not wearing
Speaker 3: that dress.
Speaker 1: I promise you.
Speaker 4: But let's get real, guys.
Speaker 2: They're not real people, their characters and Alison had no
Speaker 2: choice because the costumers were always throwing freaking jewelry on us.
Speaker 2: No matter, you're wearing T shirt and shorts, and it's like,
Speaker 2: let's throw on some jewelry.
Speaker 4: Ever, you just have to have a choker or some
Speaker 4: kind of Sidney wore plenty of things that Laura would
Speaker 4: not have worn it, So.
Speaker 3: I know, I mean that's that was a character, But
Speaker 3: I do think that I wasn't the only one that
Speaker 3: was when we got a new costumer. When after thirteen,
Speaker 3: somebody in an office was saying, that dress on Courtney,
Speaker 3: that's not good.
Speaker 4: Sorry. So you know what I did think about this episode.
Speaker 2: I thought, all the wardrobe you didn't like yours because
Speaker 2: you had to wear it, But just as an audience member,
Speaker 2: I thought it alloked so great, true to nineties, like
Speaker 2: quirky and weird at times, but I just thought everyone
Speaker 2: looked you know, you start to see the suits.
Speaker 3: And well, look, it may be self consciousness because I
Speaker 3: too thought everyone else looked great.
Speaker 4: I think there might be a little bit of that.
Speaker 4: You're watching yourself differently than you're watching the thing. And
Speaker 4: we are blessed with objectivity right now.
Speaker 3: For all my spiritual talk, apparently the ego is still
Speaker 3: alive and running.
Speaker 4: But here's in this scene also, like besides her commenting
Speaker 4: on the place being like dirty and smelly, it sort
Speaker 4: of turns into an argument about So that was sort
Speaker 4: of interesting. I thought that was perfect how the scene goes.
Speaker 2: I always get an argument when how many times, I mean,
Speaker 2: I live with a husband and there that it doesn't change.
Speaker 5: Really, I gotta.
Speaker 4: Say, but the argument was not so like flum mixing.
Speaker 4: It was more like that it turned into a bet.
Speaker 4: Like how they were going to resolve it was to
Speaker 4: make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was waiting for them to kiss because it
Speaker 3: felt very Sam and Diane. It's like, I'm so mad
Speaker 3: at you, I'm gonna make you take me to dinner.
Speaker 3: I think, Wow, Alison's subtle way to play it cool.
Speaker 4: There were a lot of those in this, so I
Speaker 4: thought that was an interesting way to get to the
Speaker 4: idea that like, are they trying to show the audience
Speaker 4: that there's a little bit of flirty underneath under Totally right?
Speaker 4: I mean that was totally You're going to have to
Speaker 4: take me to dinner.
Speaker 2: Well, if he can't clean up, he says, I'm going
Speaker 2: to clean up, and he shortly after that does the laundry.
Speaker 3: Which what an intimate thing to do, right, like something
Speaker 3: laundryad Washington thing to do.
Speaker 2: The next morning, quickly we hear the shower running. You're
Speaker 2: you're in the bathroom and Billy comes out and says,
Speaker 2: has Hey, that's what I'm going to do the laundry because.
Speaker 1: Because apparently we share a laundry basket.
Speaker 2: And by the way, don't I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 2: but guys always need cookies and affirmation when they do,
Speaker 2: like anything.
Speaker 4: I'm doing the laundry.
Speaker 2: Here, look it, I'm putting the dish in the dish washing.
Speaker 6: That's what. That's what definitely takes Wait a minute, So
Speaker 6: he's trying, he's trying really hard to prove that he
Speaker 6: does laundry or whatever.
Speaker 4: He's like, so let me also do yours.
Speaker 2: It's just let me clearly here you're taking a shower
Speaker 2: to tell you what I'm doing the laundry.
Speaker 4: She never really said, okay, he gets.
Speaker 2: No cookies until they're actually washed and then dried.
Speaker 3: And then you know, in the writer's room, somebody made
Speaker 3: that point and they said, don't pull that thread because
Speaker 3: you need this for the next story point.
Speaker 4: And it does say.
Speaker 2: Here, I just circled and parentheses on the shower as
Speaker 2: a pink shower curtain with cats, and I circled that
Speaker 2: because that theme matches those teddy bears and toys I
Speaker 2: saw stuffed.
Speaker 4: Animals on your thing.
Speaker 2: And yet what we're going to see next in the
Speaker 2: laundry room is so different from Allison's toower curtain and
Speaker 2: the stuffed animals, which is we're in the laundry room
Speaker 2: and Billy and Jake, who I guess also is doing
Speaker 2: laundry that day in.
Speaker 4: His jorts is like raw ham rough.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the same one.
Speaker 3: I thank god I'm not wearing him the same scene.
Speaker 3: I think exact same shorts on in the next seat.
Speaker 4: I think you borrowed his because you were still in
Speaker 4: the dryer.
Speaker 2: You're like, you're sharing a laundry room with an apartment.
Speaker 2: Things get mixed up all the time, and you're just
Speaker 2: a'll wear these. I think they were the same ones,
Speaker 2: the same length, like halfway down. Okay, But there we
Speaker 2: are in the laundry room and Billy findes your lacy
Speaker 2: black bra that Alison a guest wears under all those.
Speaker 4: Jorts and T shirts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it was so hard to me,
Speaker 3: like that was my actual size then. My breasts are
Speaker 3: a lot smaller now, but there was I was a
Speaker 3: thirty four dy.
Speaker 5: Don't you love middle adies?
Speaker 1: Hormones knockers.
Speaker 3: No, I had a reduction, but yes, but I always
Speaker 3: say hormones are good too. But they were so big,
Speaker 3: and I was so surprised that I let them say
Speaker 3: my actual size, Like that's a really intimate thing to
Speaker 3: have them say.
Speaker 4: Well, I wonder if that was I wonder if it
Speaker 4: was even a consultation with you. It's just probably the
Speaker 4: script at the time, right, I mean, it was just
Speaker 4: scripted they did it. They probably didn't say, hey, what's
Speaker 4: your real size so we can make sure to get
Speaker 4: it accurately in the script. I bet they didn't ask.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not sure they looked right.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it was without permission. It was just didn't.
Speaker 3: Feel intimate to me then, but watching I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that feels so intimate to know that, right.
Speaker 4: And then the boys just turn it into they're just
Speaker 4: like being like eleven year olds, Yeah, goofing around and
Speaker 4: like but.
Speaker 2: It's really led by Billy, the most mature guy in
Speaker 2: the building, Like he's like, oh, this is still good,
Speaker 2: but yeah, getting to that point, I think what usually
Speaker 2: happens is they're like, just go to wardrobe, get one
Speaker 2: of Courtney's bras, and then they.
Speaker 5: Just use that in the scene.
Speaker 2: That's what happened, you know, they usually do that so
Speaker 2: and then they yeah, read it up.
Speaker 3: I think it felt intimate because I was so self
Speaker 3: conscious about how big my breasts were, So I think
Speaker 3: that's why it felt so intimate to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's a pretty intense thing to share.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this whole scene, your whole storyline was about that,
Speaker 2: about the memory glands, and it was.
Speaker 3: I actually, I will get to the end. But I
Speaker 3: was wondering why Allison was getting so upset cause I
Speaker 3: don't remember the episode.
Speaker 1: And at the end, I was like, Oh.
Speaker 3: That's why, because I kept thinking about me, calm down yourself.
Speaker 3: I sort of I think, like, again, I keep correcting myself,
Speaker 3: but I would have found more layers now, Like I
Speaker 3: just sort of like started yelling and then just kept
Speaker 3: it after the whole thing.
Speaker 4: In Allison's defense, I'm gonna say she walks in and
Speaker 4: finds them put Billy's put the bra on over his
Speaker 4: T shirt, and he's like, like just being first of all,
Speaker 4: it's your personal undergarments, and that he just sort of
Speaker 4: assumed that he could launder that. You didn't really give
Speaker 4: him permission for you walk in and you're in your robes.
Speaker 4: You're clearly like maybe like realizing that he's taking your laundry.
Speaker 4: And then he's being an eleven year old and acting
Speaker 4: like a dork with his with your bra on his body,
Speaker 4: So of course you're mad. I'm sorry, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 4: going to defend Allison here. Yeah, Alison should be pissed that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: more sure mortified.
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe because she's so young. I mean today I
Speaker 3: wouldn't care, but maybe because but.
Speaker 4: I think you're trying about it.
Speaker 1: Keep going.
Speaker 2: It's not just that instea. Then he's staring at them.
Speaker 2: Then there's the magazine. You know, we'll get to that,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's a whole thing just out every scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the breach of like that's my personal stuff
Speaker 4: and you're like being such a dork, you know, like
Speaker 4: making fun and whatever and you caught him doing it.
Speaker 4: I'm going to defend Alison here.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Anything to say about that dress in the first scene,
Speaker 1: I have to.
Speaker 2: Go back and look at it. Yeah, so I'm probably
Speaker 2: going to defend it. I love that Allison lazy. If
Speaker 2: I saw anyone was cut her.
Speaker 4: Some slot alf.
Speaker 2: And now our next scene is in the hospital hallway
Speaker 2: and we have Michael and Kimberly are walking down and
Speaker 2: this is I think her first scene in this and
Speaker 2: this is where you're saying, like, there's this confidence, there's
Speaker 2: this pacing. She's very kind of like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: here and really interested in him.
Speaker 3: That's what I And I was blown away by her confidence,
Speaker 3: like as an actor, like she just came.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, wonder they had her back. She must
Speaker 1: belong here.
Speaker 4: Because yeah, and it was real. It was the introduction
Speaker 4: to the character. But it was like she was assuming
Speaker 4: the familiarity that that character would already have, Like she
Speaker 4: she just she fit in at the hospital. She's an
Speaker 4: intern who's already been working with them, and she demonstrated
Speaker 4: that relationship with her level of comfortability and confidence. Yes
Speaker 4: that all of a sudden we're like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: a strong, beautiful co worker with Michael and they already
Speaker 4: had this relationship. Like she established that immediately with you.
Speaker 4: I really did establish I think it comes from her.
Speaker 2: Marshall is a theater background, and that's like you know
Speaker 2: all that backstory and stuff. It wasn't there was no
Speaker 2: tendency like you might have as a guest star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she really came in.
Speaker 3: And also Thomas said, they talked about it, so they
Speaker 3: made that decision. I think they both really like to
Speaker 3: talk about scenes and how they work, so maybe they
Speaker 3: found that comfortability. But I thought it was a really
Speaker 3: impressive entrance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so coming in hot, here comes.
Speaker 2: Comingly hot, and they're you know, and they're have this
Speaker 2: banter and this playfulness, and she's already teasing him a
Speaker 2: lot and saying that, you know, he can't talk about
Speaker 2: his feelings and all that, and tiding him already. It
Speaker 2: really annoyed me, like how she was. And then of
Speaker 2: course my annoyance is warranted by the end where we
Speaker 2: get to that part too. But it's like, but anyway,
Speaker 2: I agree with she made herself right a home, that's
Speaker 2: for sure, and with Michael. So they're walking down the
Speaker 2: hallway and then Michael asked to go see the ultrasound.
Speaker 2: Jane has this ultrasound and doctor Levin who says, no,
Speaker 2: you can't. You got to do we have this other
Speaker 2: thing that we have to do.
Speaker 1: And sure you can't got an operation.
Speaker 4: So it was a conflict.
Speaker 2: At the same time, Jane and Matt are coming down
Speaker 2: the hallway the next scene because they're going to the ultrasound.
Speaker 5: Of course Matt's there.
Speaker 2: He's like the best friend and very reliable, where Michael isn't.
Speaker 5: But he's coming down.
Speaker 2: Takes her there, and I think they're expecting Michael to
Speaker 2: still be in the Alto Sound with his wife.
Speaker 4: Until that was just giving her a ride, yeah, which
Speaker 4: he'd offered in that film scene. I said, if you
Speaker 4: need to ride tomorrow. Yeah, So they guess they only
Speaker 4: have one car.
Speaker 5: That's when Michael surprises him.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't go, So but don't go anywhere, Matt,
Speaker 2: because you can go and be in there, and you
Speaker 2: brought the video so we can see the recording and
Speaker 2: we'll watch it together. I'm really sorry. And you just
Speaker 2: see Jane's face and she's so disappointed again. And of
Speaker 2: course now that we've had them on, you know, as guests,
Speaker 2: she played that part a lot like oh, understanding and
Speaker 2: kind of put up with stuff and just things, you know,
Speaker 2: I remember her saying that.
Speaker 5: And kind of just I don't know if she said that.
Speaker 2: She wasn't crazy about it, but that's how they wrote her,
Speaker 2: and she just had to play it.
Speaker 5: You know, disappointed by accepting him to do it. He
Speaker 5: was good.
Speaker 3: She's probably honestly what every wife of an intern feels, right,
Speaker 3: because what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: You can't do it's not like you can change it.
Speaker 1: You have to go through this.
Speaker 2: Right, right. So we're still in the hospital and this
Speaker 2: is the ultra sound happening, and Matt is in there.
Speaker 2: She's coming in and they're getting ready and they mistake him,
Speaker 2: of course for the dad, but he's not. But then
Speaker 2: the doctor comes in, so this ultrasound is set up,
Speaker 2: the nurses in there, the doctor starts doing the ultrasound
Speaker 2: and they're all happy, and then something happens in the scene,
Speaker 2: which is they're doing the ultrasound and she's like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then it's like there's a quiet in the room.
Speaker 2: And then he says, freeze it there, and you know,
Speaker 2: he says to Matt, can we just have a second?
Speaker 5: Can you step out? So Matt steps.
Speaker 2: Out and give he gives the harble news that there's
Speaker 2: no heartbeat. So that's like just devastating.
Speaker 3: They handle it beautifully in the script, and again I'm
Speaker 3: really I'm impressed with how they handle these things. Somebody
Speaker 3: in the room had been through it, all the expectations,
Speaker 3: everything was set up, they're all excited, and then there's
Speaker 3: that moment where there's no heartbeat and it's just you know,
Speaker 3: because it used to be and I think we're much
Speaker 3: better about this now. It used to be this idea
Speaker 3: of oh well, it was only so many weeks, but
Speaker 3: it's not. It's the planning, it's the expectation, it's the
Speaker 3: story you've told yourself.
Speaker 1: You have this idea of what's going to happen, and
Speaker 1: then it's gone, Yeah, so devastating. She played it beautifully.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought there was some interesting and we haven't
Speaker 4: gotten to them yet. Some interesting moments too, where as
Speaker 4: much as you know, Josie was twenty one years old
Speaker 4: at the time and having to play this moment of
Speaker 4: loss that right that it was just a lot too
Speaker 4: shoulder that story. And then there was a part of
Speaker 4: the character that throughout the episode she's apologizing and trying
Speaker 4: to make things better for other people. I thought was
Speaker 4: sort of an interesting color because, yeah, it comes like
Speaker 4: that she's as devastated as she is, she's also having
Speaker 4: to care about how other people are going to receive
Speaker 4: this news and whatever, and I just thought that was
Speaker 4: an interesting color.
Speaker 3: I complain about social media, but I think that's the
Speaker 3: thing where we've gotten better, where women are really talking
Speaker 3: about this is a devastating loss. Like, don't say it's
Speaker 3: only anything right, right, this is a devastating loss. And
Speaker 3: I think that women now can claim it more and
Speaker 3: mourn it and really allow themselves to be sad and yeah,
Speaker 3: get back on the horse. It's like, well, you're mourning
Speaker 3: something real.
Speaker 2: And usually the show, being thirty years ago, is things
Speaker 2: that are archaic and old fashioned, and look where we
Speaker 2: are today.
Speaker 5: So that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: They're all adulting. These are big issues of these writers were.
Speaker 2: Like, you know what, enough of figuring out if I
Speaker 2: should get rid of my car that's your.
Speaker 4: Bird or whatever.
Speaker 5: Anyway, so we're going to move on.
Speaker 2: We are now back with Alison and Billy in the
Speaker 2: apartment and they have an argument about the.
Speaker 5: Bra and he's like, this has got to be a joke.
Speaker 2: You're taking this too seriously, and she just says, you're
Speaker 2: like a pervert, and he's, well, you're a prude.
Speaker 4: I was just playing with the bra. I was just
Speaker 4: a joke.
Speaker 5: And then she said maybe this is a good reminder,
Speaker 5: like why.
Speaker 2: We're just we're just roommates, you know, we're just because
Speaker 2: basically you're a kid and you're annoying, and also.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to trick you into dinner.
Speaker 4: All yeah, I don't want to go to dinner. But
Speaker 4: Alison's now put a lock on her door. The key
Speaker 4: news here is that she decided to lock the door
Speaker 4: a big dead bold in fact, not just like a
Speaker 4: little a big dead bowl.
Speaker 2: Yep. So Alison really thought what you thought that was
Speaker 2: a violation and now there's a lock.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't think that. Laura's on Alison's side. I'm
Speaker 3: completely anti. You're pro Allison. I'm completely anti Alison. My
Speaker 3: personality is just going to split apart apart today.
Speaker 4: It remains a fact that she put a lock on
Speaker 4: the door and said stay out.
Speaker 1: Which apparently you think is a great idea. I think
Speaker 1: it's an over it.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's a fact.
Speaker 2: So we're back in the hospital and this is during
Speaker 2: the day and Matt and Michael are sitting there waiting
Speaker 2: for Jane, and the doctor comes out to say that
Speaker 2: the procedure is done and tells him that, you know,
Speaker 2: a miscarriage is nature's way of taking care of something
Speaker 2: that's not right.
Speaker 1: No, it didn't it look to you?
Speaker 3: I was watching this thinking I felt like Thomas was
Speaker 3: playing it like he hadn't heard this news. I felt
Speaker 3: like he was playing this was the first time he'd
Speaker 3: heard it. Did you feel that?
Speaker 4: I think I was wondering.
Speaker 5: I can see why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he was like having his stunned sort
Speaker 4: of reaction in this scene, like he was staring off
Speaker 4: into spae whatever. Isn't this the one where he was
Speaker 4: Wasn't he just kind of looking.
Speaker 3: At the doctor's telling him But someone would have said,
Speaker 3: your wife is going into surgery because there was no
Speaker 3: hard someone would have told him.
Speaker 5: Because they're waiting. Yeah, I think he was playing more stunned.
Speaker 2: But I'd see why you'd say that, because it kind
Speaker 2: of was a little could have been.
Speaker 4: They were clearly waiting for her to come out of
Speaker 4: the procedure, but he was acting sort of like just
Speaker 4: stunned and numb about it. Yeah, And I think that
Speaker 4: rolls into him not feeling his feelings or not saying
Speaker 4: his feelings.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, right, And she's wheeled by and she says,
Speaker 2: I I'm sorry heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: So heart breaking, which really he's like, why isn't he
Speaker 4: saying I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm sure that was hard for him to you
Speaker 3: would want to say, O sweetheart, of course.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like you wanted to say something.
Speaker 3: But I think this is him, like you said, not
Speaker 3: being to he's not connected to his feelings, because yeah, he.
Speaker 5: Did kind of just go I don't say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all he could do, you know what I mean, because.
Speaker 1: There were no written lines and as we know, you
Speaker 1: can't say so he.
Speaker 4: Just so.
Speaker 2: Then we're in the courtyard and they're coming home. The
Speaker 2: group is all gathered again.
Speaker 4: I like our group.
Speaker 5: They're there for support.
Speaker 2: When Jane and Michael come home, they they're walking.
Speaker 1: Really important support. Blah blah blah. But can we talk
Speaker 1: about Alison's outfit for a second.
Speaker 4: Now, let's.
Speaker 1: Sport I don't remember, so I have on.
Speaker 3: Jake Schortz for some reason, shorts all right, and another
Speaker 3: horizontal stripe talk. Why would anyone ever wear horizontal striped anything?
Speaker 1: And it seems to be my theme.
Speaker 3: Remember the carnival jacket, And then I've got the horizontal
Speaker 3: striped and I've got the I.
Speaker 4: Actually like the carnival jacket.
Speaker 1: It might look good on you, it's not a good
Speaker 1: look on me.
Speaker 2: Oh, my word, but you, I thought, God, she must
Speaker 2: be I didn't notice any and you were always taking
Speaker 2: care of yourself because not a lot of people can
Speaker 2: get away with including me.
Speaker 4: It didn't thought I didn't notice it. So I'm defending
Speaker 4: Alison and the same thing. I guess I'm defending because
Speaker 4: like fictional care yourself a break, Laura's gonna be like,
Speaker 4: you know, I prefer Alison to Courtney. I didn't be kind.
Speaker 4: I'm sure. I'm sure Alison looked adorable.
Speaker 1: Okay, Courney, I have a question, though, why do I
Speaker 1: hate myself?
Speaker 5: Do you remember?
Speaker 2: No? Do you remember saying were we offered choices?
Speaker 5: Because I know some costumers always give you choices.
Speaker 2: I remember Denise, give where whichever you're more comfortable, Like
Speaker 2: maybe there was another T shirt? Or or if there wasn't,
Speaker 2: could you have said I don't want to wear this.
Speaker 3: I well, we were frustrated. That's why they replaced the costumer. Right,
Speaker 3: So I was not the only one who was frustrated.
Speaker 3: I look around other people like they did a better
Speaker 3: jump speaking up for themselves. Like Vanessa said she brought
Speaker 3: stuff from home. I was like, you can do that.
Speaker 1: I think I.
Speaker 3: Felt I didn't feel comfortable in what I was given
Speaker 3: to wear for the most part, and I sort of went, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll take that. But it was the lesser of two evils.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I wasn't like I can't wait to wear
Speaker 1: this right, you know, No.
Speaker 5: I could see that for sure.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to wear something like cool or even
Speaker 2: if you're just hanging around. That was like the customer
Speaker 2: that has to tell a story is like, you're just
Speaker 2: hanging around so here. This is in my mind, a
Speaker 2: striped T shirt and jeans cut off jeans halfway down
Speaker 2: the thigh are the hanging around outfit. But I always
Speaker 2: wanted to be like, why can't you be Joe you
Speaker 2: later hanging around something cooler and prettier, like I.
Speaker 4: Don't care about the story he always does.
Speaker 1: Why can't I hang on in an evening gown like
Speaker 1: I always sweat?
Speaker 5: For David? Are you always in sweats at home?
Speaker 4: I always? I call it loungewear I do like I
Speaker 4: do like lounge wear.
Speaker 5: I love lounge sweats.
Speaker 2: I know that's what I means, sweats loungewear.
Speaker 1: Then I put it on a dress to go out.
Speaker 3: Then immediately when I get home I put on you
Speaker 3: know that. I obviously the pandemic was awful for everything
Speaker 3: in every way except companies really up their loungewear did right, And.
Speaker 2: I'm still wearing I'm still looking for their loungewear lounge weear.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Here we are with Jane and Michael in the apartment,
Speaker 2: and the group kind of follows in and everyone comes.
Speaker 4: Jane invites everybody in, come on in.
Speaker 1: It's kind of out of her body at this time,
Speaker 1: come on out.
Speaker 2: Every Maybe she intuitively doesn't trust him like I want,
Speaker 2: you know, like when you don't want to be our
Speaker 2: own one person, you just bring everyone. Well.
Speaker 3: I think it connects to what we were talking about
Speaker 3: it she's taking care of everybody else instead I need to.
Speaker 4: Go face instead of saying that come on in. Everybody
Speaker 4: went in.
Speaker 1: Let me make you something to eat, let me make
Speaker 1: you all comfortable.
Speaker 2: But also she needs that comfort. She needed it too,
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I mean, jeez, we're loving the group.
Speaker 2: They must have loved each other in the show the
Speaker 2: character yeah maybe you know so. Rhonda is telling Jane
Speaker 2: that she knows it's happened to lots of people, including
Speaker 2: her mom, and then Alison agrees, and she says again,
Speaker 2: someone else says, this is the way the body's way
Speaker 2: of taking care of something that isn't right, and then
Speaker 2: Jane says, why is everyone always saying that because the
Speaker 2: doctor said something like that too. But and then we
Speaker 2: have Jake follows Michael into the kitchen and says, you
Speaker 2: need to talk another thing of trying to get him
Speaker 2: to express himself, and he's like, no, I just need
Speaker 2: to take care of Jane.
Speaker 1: I liked that it was Jake too. Yeah, right, I
Speaker 1: thought that was an interesting choice.
Speaker 4: And it's also like all the things that the girls
Speaker 4: are trying to say to comfort Jane, those are all true.
Speaker 4: It's just there's nothing right to say. There is nothing
Speaker 4: that can ever feel like the right thing to say,
Speaker 4: both for the person who's you know, searching for something
Speaker 4: to say, and then for the person who's mourning. There's
Speaker 4: just not a perfect thing to say, and it just
Speaker 4: isn't going to feel right no matter what. And I
Speaker 4: just I felt like that was happening in that scene.
Speaker 4: You know, she's like, why does everybody say that? And
Speaker 4: it's like, well, it's not not true, but it's also
Speaker 4: like not comforting, you know, like there's just not a
Speaker 4: right thing to say. And so I thought that was
Speaker 4: depicted very well.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's kind of like if when somebody's parent dies,
Speaker 2: you know, and people say, well, that's life.
Speaker 5: You know, she lived alone.
Speaker 1: It's like that's just life, Like that's just.
Speaker 5: Science, and like that's.
Speaker 2: Just and it's kind of like that may be true,
Speaker 2: but it's not very comfortings.
Speaker 3: Just the only thing in that situation really helped, just
Speaker 3: saying I'm so sorry, yeah, and just that I'm here.
Speaker 3: Letting that be it, right, I'm sorry, and the thing
Speaker 3: but you know, as we get older, most of us
Speaker 3: have lost a parent, and it's very different when you're
Speaker 3: not younger trying when you go, i'm so sorry, I
Speaker 3: know what that is. I'm here if you need me, right,
Speaker 3: that's all we really can offer. And just to say,
Speaker 3: same with if you've been through a miscarriage, you just say, oh, sweetie,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, I know that pain.
Speaker 4: I'm here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That I think is helpful, but to discount it. We're
Speaker 3: trying to make it okay, but like you said, you can't.
Speaker 3: Only time comes close to making it okay. Yeah, makes
Speaker 3: it more okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think also just to finish on that one thought.
Speaker 2: It's enough that people around you, like you just don't
Speaker 2: want to be there alone. It's enough that people are
Speaker 2: just there, like they don't have to be perfect when
Speaker 2: there's a grief or something horrible happens to someone. The
Speaker 2: rest of us don't have to be perfect and how
Speaker 2: to know how to do it, but we're there, And
Speaker 2: I think, like that is the power of that apartment building. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's so sweet to this point, up to you know, a.
Speaker 5: Few episodes, we're gonna that's all gonna change. We're gonna
Speaker 5: wish they.
Speaker 4: All lived alone. Somebody's gonna try to blow the place up.
Speaker 2: But all right, So then when everyone leaves, it is
Speaker 2: Jane in bed, and Jane and Michael are alone in
Speaker 2: their apartment building, and he's in the bathroom staring at
Speaker 2: himself and the water's running. Jane's in bed and calls
Speaker 2: for him to come in, and she comes in and share.
Speaker 3: Deesn't he say to Jake and that other scene, it's
Speaker 3: not about me, right, like gaving time for my feelings
Speaker 3: sort of, Yeah, I got to take.
Speaker 1: Care of her, got to take care of exactly.
Speaker 2: So he kind of is, I think in Survival mode,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, he comes in, he's
Speaker 2: we see him for a brief moment in the bathroom
Speaker 2: shower what's really going on, which is things are not okay,
Speaker 2: he is not okay. But then he goes into take
Speaker 2: care mode and he comes in and he scoops her
Speaker 2: up and takes her into his arms, lying down the bed,
Speaker 2: and she lays down on his chest and says how
Speaker 2: she feels, and he's kind of just there doing his role.
Speaker 4: So you the writing's really good.
Speaker 2: You know, there's real depth to this motim He used
Speaker 2: to know that, you know, which is really cool because
Speaker 2: it's just on the surface he's doing that, and it's important.
Speaker 2: It's not the whole of what's going on with him,
Speaker 2: which we will find out. And again, this is a
Speaker 2: very vulnerable, mature adulting thing that they're doing. I've never
Speaker 2: seen these two. This is profound what they're dealing with
Speaker 2: in that moment. It's just another vulnerable moment that I
Speaker 2: was like, Wow, these people are being forced to grow up,
Speaker 2: which I think is what the twenties are about, which
Speaker 2: is what Darren wanted the show to be about, not
Speaker 2: just what's my next job? But you do have to
Speaker 2: go from when you're in college, you have other problems.
Speaker 2: When you're in your thirties, you have other problems. First
Speaker 2: happened in the twenties and stuff. You know. Billy comes
Speaker 2: in shirtless. Alison's looking out the window. She's also having
Speaker 2: a thoughtful moment of what's going on. And this is
Speaker 2: very like a soft moment we start out. Remember I
Speaker 2: was saying about like scenes, they start out one energy
Speaker 2: and then it ends in another. This is kind of soft.
Speaker 2: She's melancholi. She's being thoughtful, and she confesses that she
Speaker 2: was thinking about Jane and that it's a death loss.
Speaker 2: And Billy says that it makes their fight seem like
Speaker 2: no big deal and that they both overreacted, and Allison said, no,
Speaker 2: I didn't overreact. You you overreacted. And you're also staring
Speaker 2: at my chest.
Speaker 5: So he's like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't do that, and Allison says, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't think this roommate experiment is working. And then he
Speaker 2: says a lot of people live plutonically, men and women
Speaker 2: all over the world, and she's like, yeah, but they're mature.
Speaker 2: She's basically still clocking him on his immaturity. Yeah, yes
Speaker 2: at the end and just saying is which is not
Speaker 2: a bad choice.
Speaker 3: As the show goes on, we find out why I
Speaker 3: was like, man, Allison, chill pill, Yeah.
Speaker 4: What do you say about Alison? I think she was
Speaker 4: she had a little sensitivity and she's like, wait, you're
Speaker 4: you're looking at my chest, you know, And and in
Speaker 4: a way that maybe came more from her security than
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Allison's insecurity, then from Billy actually, and
Speaker 4: then it just caused this thing like now he can't
Speaker 4: not look at her chest and she's like what you know?
Speaker 4: So it did come from a place of insecurity.
Speaker 2: But we are at the point in the episode where
Speaker 2: these people are just starting to feel what they're really feeling.
Speaker 2: So you haven't said what it's all about yet, Michael
Speaker 2: hasn't said what it's all about yet. His vulnerability your
Speaker 2: cause of your testiness. You're just being in the feelings
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: So but also I think it's the intensity to you
Speaker 3: because in the beginning, obviously Allison's opening up some flirtation,
Speaker 3: like we're buying each other dinner.
Speaker 1: She's setting this up.
Speaker 3: So then when he disappoints her, he disappoints her double
Speaker 3: because she's starting to think of him as a romantic partner,
Speaker 3: whether she's willing to admit it to herself or not.
Speaker 3: So when this falls apart, she's really mad, like maybe
Speaker 3: it's not working. It's the disappointment of maybe you're not
Speaker 3: my guy. Yeah, so I think that was happening too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I agree.
Speaker 4: But meanwhile, in real life.
Speaker 3: We were like, rabbits, you're really annoying me.
Speaker 4: Acting there to get to lay hands off.
Speaker 5: Very funny.
Speaker 2: And then while that's happening across the courtyard and Jane
Speaker 2: and Michael's apartment, Uh, it's in the morning and she's
Speaker 2: having a horrible nightmare that they have this new baby,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of shown as a dream and that
Speaker 2: kind of handheld camera thing. Yeah, they're holding this baby,
Speaker 2: and then of course she takes the blanket off the
Speaker 2: baby and there's nothing there.
Speaker 1: That was devastating.
Speaker 3: That was a scene where you really see the planning,
Speaker 3: Like you have fantasies when you when you want to
Speaker 3: have a baby and you find out you're pregnant, you're
Speaker 3: already planning and fantasizing.
Speaker 1: You have all these ideas. So when you know if
Speaker 1: you lose the baby.
Speaker 5: You lose all of that everything.
Speaker 2: And the very next scene is when Michael is putting
Speaker 2: away the crib and the stuffed animals downstairs and the
Speaker 2: storage room, like the lock he puts on the fence,
Speaker 2: and it's just like all of that in his mind
Speaker 2: and his heart is looking forward to being a dad.
Speaker 2: It's just folded in the underneath the stairs, really abrupt
Speaker 2: and comes back up into the apartment and she's like,
Speaker 2: where'd you put it? He says, down in the storage room.
Speaker 2: She says, I made some toast and there's coffee, and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, yeah, I can't really stay.
Speaker 5: I have to get to the hospital.
Speaker 2: Once again. She's like, no, I'll be fine. He goes,
Speaker 2: I'll stay if you want. You know, I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: the good dad, the good husband. She's like, no, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: He called his mom. Are you going to call your mom?
Speaker 2: She says, I will tonight and tell her, and then
Speaker 2: he leaves. And then we're at the hospital and our
Speaker 2: favorite little new guest star Kimberly and Michael. She says
Speaker 2: she's sorry about the baby, but she's also being kind
Speaker 2: of jokey, which I thought was inappropriate, calling him doctor
Speaker 2: Rushmore because you're not feeling your feelings.
Speaker 5: And then he's like, I'm what do you mean.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're talking about, and he's but
Speaker 2: she's rushing, he's rushing through things. So she calls him
Speaker 2: doctor Rushmore, you know you're in denial, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not in and you're supposed to be a surgeon.
Speaker 2: You're an in turn to be a surgeon, not a headshrink.
Speaker 5: So basically, leave me alone.
Speaker 4: A little foreshadowing there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she apologizes for being too joky as he leaves.
Speaker 2: So Billy and Allison are in their apartment again and
Speaker 2: Alison is getting out of the shower but she's in
Speaker 2: the shower and he yells through the door, I'm going
Speaker 2: to shoot hers. She says nothing, and he goes, look,
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: For being joking.
Speaker 2: I was a class clown in high school and college,
Speaker 2: and it's just easier laughing getting a laughing than being yourself.
Speaker 3: I thought he was so sweet in the scene. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, Alison, go to shooters and he's adorable.
Speaker 3: He was so vulnerable and sweet. I really thought he
Speaker 3: did a great job.
Speaker 2: With So you were having a moment Alison looking at
Speaker 2: herself after the shower in the mirror, which was now
Speaker 2: we're going to she's really starting to face what's really
Speaker 2: going on underneath, Yeah, underneath the testiness, which means also
Speaker 2: the sensitivity, but she expresses it in testiness, right, So
Speaker 2: she's having that totally exposed moment and really realizing what
Speaker 2: she went through. And Jane and Michael apartment night, so
Speaker 2: she's on the phone telling her mom what happened, and
Speaker 2: he's eavesdropping. There's knock in the front door, opens it.
Speaker 2: There's a rope which ends up being a leash. They
Speaker 2: follow it and there's Sandy and Jake with a little
Speaker 2: puppy and Jingg with that huge, like fifty pound bag
Speaker 2: of dog food and they're all fitted.
Speaker 3: And weren't you just like, no, never get someone an
Speaker 3: animal as a gift unless you've really discussed it.
Speaker 1: But Jenny's get someone.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm very happy. She was like yay puppy,
Speaker 4: and she seemed to be very happy.
Speaker 1: Why weren't you just cringing?
Speaker 4: Like completely reasonable for Michael to go, uh, we you know, no,
Speaker 4: no dogs allowed. And wait a minute.
Speaker 3: But just as we go into the holiday season, just
Speaker 3: a reminder because the shelters are so full after the
Speaker 3: holidays unless you've all agreed no animals as gifts, they're
Speaker 3: not toys.
Speaker 4: Good point. So after the holidays, people they returned on
Speaker 4: you made.
Speaker 3: Yes, people get animals as gifts as will be fun,
Speaker 3: and then they're not prepared whatever they take them the shelters.
Speaker 2: It's very sad before I get a dog, and I
Speaker 2: haven't gotten one five years now because I'm still thinking
Speaker 2: about it, because I kind of like the freedom. Dogs
Speaker 2: are a lot, as we find out, coming a lot
Speaker 2: of yummy, but at any rate, there they are those
Speaker 2: friends and everyone's just trying to make people feel better
Speaker 2: instead of dealing with what is really going on. Next
Speaker 2: scene is I'm waking up and there's a mess everywhere
Speaker 2: and the dog's torn and made a mess.
Speaker 3: Turn like a crazy mess, like like one hundred teenagers came.
Speaker 4: In total destruction. Yeah, everything everywhere. I just love again.
Speaker 2: Moments like that make me think of what really went
Speaker 2: on on set and like the props person or like
Speaker 2: around you always love.
Speaker 4: Fancy Malone is like no more. It was always more
Speaker 4: and more and then later later and fully and like
Speaker 4: sounded like crunch make it crunch you walk, make it
Speaker 4: just crunch underneath their feet, and then the dog lifts
Speaker 4: its leg at the very punctuating the scene Michael's medical bag. Okay,
Speaker 4: I was going to say I missed something that was
Speaker 4: his medical bag was his medical bag. And literally the
Speaker 4: dog like sort of looks at them.
Speaker 2: Like if you yeah, But that's a train to act, right,
Speaker 2: that to train the dog to lift you.
Speaker 1: Like, although is thinking about getting a dog.
Speaker 3: Every rescue dog I've ever had, and I've had several,
Speaker 3: they peep for a little bit.
Speaker 1: When they get home. You can train them out of it.
Speaker 3: But just so you don't think, oh, no, they peede,
Speaker 3: they have to go back to the shelter.
Speaker 1: They don't. It's trainable.
Speaker 2: But also maybe don't leave them to run rampant in
Speaker 2: your living quarters even.
Speaker 1: So, like you know, they'll look at you a couple
Speaker 1: of mp. They don't know.
Speaker 3: They're not trying to be bad, they just don't know
Speaker 3: what they're doing. Yeah, but they're training.
Speaker 2: I was a little shocked that they came out and
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm like, you left that dog out there
Speaker 2: or whatever create or no, like.
Speaker 4: Doggy door or something. You were shocked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, you take your new dog to bed
Speaker 3: with you. What is wrong with these people? My my
Speaker 3: pug I first, when I first rescued her, she slept
Speaker 3: literally with her head in the crook of my neck.
Speaker 3: Of course pugs nurses A yeah, but I was like,
Speaker 3: worth it, worth it.
Speaker 4: Yes, coming out in the morning, Jane takes the dog
Speaker 4: out on a leash and tries to get the dog
Speaker 4: to listen to a command. She tells it, sit it.
Speaker 4: The dog will not listen. Sandy comes up and says, well,
Speaker 4: you know, training takes time, and counterintuitively removes the leash, like,
Speaker 4: look at this, training takes time. Let me just take
Speaker 4: this leash off, And to no one's surprise except for
Speaker 4: and Sandy's, the dog runs off, so they chase the
Speaker 4: dog out of the court. Then we go back to
Speaker 4: Billy's and Billy and Allison's apartment, where Jake is with
Speaker 4: Billy trying to pick the lock on Allison's room door
Speaker 4: at Billy's request, which seems like not a that idea. Now, okay,
Speaker 4: now we're on Alison's side here. Jake is telling Billy,
Speaker 4: you know, once, once we get it unlocked, there is
Speaker 4: no way to lock it again. Alison is gonna know
Speaker 4: you're in trouble, dude. This is this is going to
Speaker 4: turn into war. And yeah, he justifies it though this
Speaker 4: already is war. And let me take back my tapes.
Speaker 3: There's no way to lock it except to lock out
Speaker 3: and go out the window.
Speaker 4: You could do that. Take your tape, lock the door,
Speaker 4: climb out the window. But he takes the tapes and
Speaker 4: he throws some trash, misses the trash and doesn't even
Speaker 4: leave it, like, leave it, Jake, don't pick it up.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to stick it to Alison.
Speaker 1: Dress you war.
Speaker 4: Yeah, real, sure, billy. She won't let me wear her
Speaker 4: freaking black bra.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So then we're back in the hospital where doctor Levin
Speaker 4: is rating Michael in front of all the other medical
Speaker 4: interns during rounds because he didn't follow routine procedure. He
Speaker 4: sort of mismedicated, and Michael is sort of defending himself,
Speaker 4: and doctor Levin sends Michael Holmes says, get your act together.
Speaker 4: So we're supposed to assume that Michael is still sort
Speaker 4: of not himself and he's not able to think clearly.
Speaker 4: It's affecting his job. So he storms into the hospital
Speaker 4: staff room. Kimberly follows, Michael says, you know, I messed up.
Speaker 4: Doctor Levin was right. Kimberly encourages him, however, saying, you
Speaker 4: know everyone messes up. I do think you're really not
Speaker 4: letting yourself feel anything and using work not to deal
Speaker 4: with what has happened. Not a great idea. So he
Speaker 4: doesn't want to hear her psycho analyzation right rushing it
Speaker 4: she is, she's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they well, I get it now because I know
Speaker 2: who Krimbly turned out to be. She's not like the
Speaker 2: most empathetics, that'sitive normal person.
Speaker 5: But his wife just had a.
Speaker 2: Miscarriage, and she keeps pushing like, you're not doing this,
Speaker 2: You're not you know, feeling your feelings. It is your
Speaker 2: feelings is as trying the relationship. She's trying to force
Speaker 2: intimacy between those two. That's what she's trying.
Speaker 3: But at that time she was just she may have
Speaker 3: been recurring in that character. So a lot of what
Speaker 3: they created here, what Thomas talked about, they worked on,
Speaker 3: is probably led to her character later, like the strength
Speaker 3: she comes in.
Speaker 1: With this character. I think she brought that.
Speaker 3: I think she brought that, and then they were like, hey,
Speaker 3: that works, let's bring that back.
Speaker 4: But this relationship with them establishes it in front of
Speaker 4: the audience as something that's been going on for a while.
Speaker 4: They already this level of comfortability where she can say
Speaker 4: these things to him, and so she's like, you know,
Speaker 4: you need to feel your feelings and and then she
Speaker 4: goes on to say, you know, I care about you,
Speaker 4: and he snaps at her saying, yeah, you know some
Speaker 4: you're just some intern that doesn't have a life of
Speaker 4: your own, and you know, sort of go to hell
Speaker 4: man scene they have a little.
Speaker 3: Fight like very million really, which is very intense that
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have with a normal coworker, right, which they
Speaker 3: already intense their relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's an interesting timing that, like, while his
Speaker 4: wife is losing a baby and they're having this really
Speaker 4: big thing happened in their marriage, he's also showing us
Speaker 4: that he's got this relationship at work.
Speaker 2: Well, but I to his characters favor, I think he's
Speaker 2: not fanning the flames. He's not flirting back. He keeps
Speaker 2: pushing back and she keeps just keeps going at it.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, you're not a shrink leving alone
Speaker 2: first time then a second time, Like I didn't see Michael.
Speaker 2: I've seen him before, and I'll see him again flirting
Speaker 2: and betraying his wife. I didn't think he was doing
Speaker 2: the betrayal, right, they worked together twenty hours a day,
Speaker 2: so that wasn't a problem.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's just interesting the timing awareness relations seeds.
Speaker 4: And then we see, yeah, it's just established right now that.
Speaker 1: She's great boundaries with him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, she wants what she wants.
Speaker 4: So then we cut back to the beach where Jane
Speaker 4: and Matt are taking a walk on the beach with
Speaker 4: the dog, who is now named Jimmy.
Speaker 2: It went from Mutt, which is what Jake mean, right, dog,
Speaker 2: but Jimmy and then they'll end with another name.
Speaker 4: And Jane reveals that it's really the first terrible thing
Speaker 4: that's happened to her, and she realizes that's exceptional, you know,
Speaker 4: And and Matt is really sympathetic in saying that nothing
Speaker 4: can really prepare you for loss, and it's good that
Speaker 4: she's expressing her feelings, and that's when Jane says she
Speaker 4: wishes Michael could express his feelings in the same way.
Speaker 4: At that point, Jane realizes, where's the dog? Yeah, And
Speaker 4: Jane and Matt run up the beach and I thought
Speaker 4: I caught Matt going dog. Yeah yeah, dog dog. Well
Speaker 4: that should do it. That's a trained dog. Dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Funny, Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 4: I think that it was a dog thing. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So then back at the courtyard, Billy has set up
Speaker 4: deck chairs outside the apartment and he is drinking and
Speaker 4: playing loud music with Jake from a boombox. When Alison comes.
Speaker 3: Home time and a like so obnoxious, trying to prove
Speaker 3: up maturious by drinking and playing a boom box on
Speaker 3: the battery, and they're.
Speaker 4: Sort of like, yeah, this is how I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, yeah, this is how what a child. And
Speaker 4: Alison is already like I'm over you, guys. Both She
Speaker 4: goes into.
Speaker 1: Her play vest and I are very mad at you.
Speaker 4: I'm sure was a very cute best I final notice
Speaker 4: may be the episode that that where they decided to
Speaker 4: switch consume.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of vests in this Did you
Speaker 2: realize there's a ton of yes seasonal, Yes, I wanted
Speaker 2: best Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So but Alison goes inside the apartment wearing her
Speaker 4: vest and comes immediately back out because she's realized that
Speaker 4: is broken into her room. You went into my room
Speaker 4: and he he says, yeah, well I needed the tapes
Speaker 4: that you borrowed and never returned, and Alison connects the
Speaker 4: dots realizes that Jake was the one to let her in,
Speaker 4: and then Jake says to Alison, Alison, you're blowing the
Speaker 4: out of proportion, which I thought nod. You've broken into
Speaker 4: her room. Wait a minute, now, can we defind Alison here?
Speaker 4: She is not blowing out they broke into her room.
Speaker 2: In this because usually Jake's aid like the forefront of everything,
Speaker 2: all this drama, you know, and he's like his big
Speaker 2: his big faux pas here is like, I think you're
Speaker 2: overreacting and you say, shut up, but he's probably Jake.
Speaker 4: So then Allison goes to Billy's room and says, how
Speaker 4: would you like it if I went through your stuff?
Speaker 4: And she's going through his stuff. She's like, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: really mind, and then Allison says, oh yeah. And then
Speaker 4: there's Playboy magazines.
Speaker 1: Which it's called I think Playmate because they couldn't Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, Playmate, play Playboy like magazines, and Alison's oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: well look at you you're just you're so sexist and
Speaker 4: you're preoccupied with women's memories. Uh huh, because we can't
Speaker 4: say boobs.
Speaker 1: I think I was trying to say more mature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, both of you, I guess, so titties.
Speaker 1: And then I was the one in charge.
Speaker 4: All of this is true. They can't say boobs or
Speaker 4: women's bazoomblans.
Speaker 5: All the women. What did you say?
Speaker 4: We can't say that, but we shouldn't anyway. Okay, moving on,
Speaker 4: So Alison upset and accuses Billy basically, let's get to
Speaker 4: the gist, is that you're sexist and you're preoccupied with
Speaker 4: this stuff. She's pissed.
Speaker 5: She's pissed.
Speaker 4: So back at Jane and Michael's apartment, Jane is hanging
Speaker 4: up the phone when Michael walks in. Jane is worried
Speaker 4: since he left the hospital hours ago, but he tells
Speaker 4: her that he's just been driving around thinking about stuff,
Speaker 4: and that's when Jane reveals to him that she lost
Speaker 4: the dog. Yeah, so Michael gets angry and Meane gets
Speaker 4: angry back, saying, wait a minute, you're you're you're angry
Speaker 4: about this dog and you're blaming me for losing this
Speaker 4: is like you're blaming me for losing the baby, and
Speaker 4: you're more angry about me losing the dog. But I
Speaker 4: can feel that this is you think I'm yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: at fault.
Speaker 1: Which actually that was a really clever way.
Speaker 2: And I thought, what do you mean the writers with
Speaker 2: the writing with with.
Speaker 3: The lose it and have that be the thing that
Speaker 3: triggers you, because he can get mad about that obviously,
Speaker 3: as we say, if it's hysterical, it's historical.
Speaker 4: Obviously it's not.
Speaker 1: About the thing he's talking about. And she picks up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a smart to do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she calls him out and he admits it. I
Speaker 4: blame you.
Speaker 2: And then I thought he did that so well that
Speaker 2: they did that seem so well again doing all this
Speaker 2: grown up intense stuff, not kind of in a Melrose
Speaker 2: just dramatic situation. This is like real deep stuff. And
Speaker 2: I just thought Thomas did that really well. As Michael
Speaker 2: like he's like, yeah, yeah, that's a that's a huge
Speaker 2: honest vulnerability to admit I did I did that is
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking of me things because you had you
Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of our baby.
Speaker 4: So then and we immediately go back to the hospital
Speaker 4: then where Michael is helping Kimberly uh with the vending
Speaker 4: machine and apologizes to her mm hmm interestingly, and Kimberly
Speaker 4: said she thought about what Michael had said and realizes
Speaker 4: that she doesn't have a life outside the hospital. He's
Speaker 4: not wrong, and but she says, I was hoping that
Speaker 4: we were developing a relationship and Jane is a lucky woman.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine very forward?
Speaker 2: Now, you guys all were talking about this turn started
Speaker 2: to happen when Heather, but I'm thinking, like, this is
Speaker 2: more than Melrose two point out Melrose around the corner.
Speaker 4: So you think this was interesting, very telling, This is
Speaker 4: very so far.
Speaker 2: They're like going, yeah, I only do I know you
Speaker 2: have a wife, but she just wants a baby, and
Speaker 2: I know you both are devastated, but I want a.
Speaker 5: Thing with you and she just looks at him.
Speaker 4: He's a very That seems to me like the yeah
Speaker 4: version of And regardless of the way they chose to
Speaker 4: play it, like leaning into that or not, like it
Speaker 4: was there in the writing, like with the words your
Speaker 4: wife is a lucky woman and if she doesn't know that,
Speaker 4: she's a fool, Like that's for and that's no one
Speaker 4: said she yea so or doing anything wrong. Yeah, Kimberly
Speaker 4: is putting that in his brain. So then back to
Speaker 4: Billy's Billy and Allison in the apartment. They're trying to
Speaker 4: avoid each other, but they run into each other in
Speaker 4: the kitchen. Alison explains it. She feels violated and talking
Speaker 4: about it only makes it worse. Billy avoids eye contact,
Speaker 4: so he's he's like, She's like, you're not looking at me,
Speaker 4: and he's like, well, I'm afraid to.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 4: Even if I turn I might And so I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm trying to be sensitive and I'm
Speaker 4: trying not to look at you. But I don't want
Speaker 4: to be accused of this, and and Alison says, he
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, you know, there's no way you could
Speaker 4: have known that what was what was going on with me?
Speaker 4: And then she ends up sharing that her mother had
Speaker 4: had a double misectomy after being treated for breast cancer
Speaker 4: when Alison was a child, and that it was it
Speaker 4: was really hard for the family, and she is very
Speaker 4: sensitive about any and all things that tie a woman's
Speaker 4: self esteem to her breasts and her body. And Alison
Speaker 4: realizes that she needs to talk about things more and oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, I knew, I always knew that you
Speaker 4: were the class clown. But she reveals the reason for
Speaker 4: her sensitivity and her reactions in it, So.
Speaker 3: She wion always be so testy, and I didn't notice
Speaker 3: until her just now talking about it, the parallels between
Speaker 3: Michael's storyline and Alison's storyline.
Speaker 1: Obviously things go right over.
Speaker 4: My head because you're focused on the dresses and the
Speaker 4: what I asked.
Speaker 1: I may not have been looking at what was important.
Speaker 1: I will admit that.
Speaker 4: Now it's nice we get this recaps so we can
Speaker 4: talk about it all together. Here's what really happened in
Speaker 4: the episode, not just your wardrobe, but.
Speaker 3: It's I mean it does. Then you can look back
Speaker 3: and go, oh, that's why she was so upset. I
Speaker 3: still wish I'd found more layers in the scenes. However,
Speaker 3: you can understand why she had such reaction, especially when
Speaker 3: she's clearly developing feelings for this guy, and then she
Speaker 3: feels scared, like what if this were to happen to me?
Speaker 3: Like what if I were to lose my breasts? Would
Speaker 3: you still? It's so vulnerable for women. Yes, another big issue,
Speaker 3: like they were really still left and right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, big stuff.
Speaker 2: I do. Like how what you said these parallels again,
Speaker 2: that somebody is acting out, looking into what is a
Speaker 2: real issue. You in the mirror, him in the mirror,
Speaker 2: you know, triggered by the dog. But once you express it,
Speaker 2: there's such freedom and lightness and more love in the room.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, the acting out is so much more of a
Speaker 1: problem than the telling the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really opens the relationship, Jane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, covering the secret takes so much more energy and
Speaker 3: effort and anger misplaced and anger.
Speaker 4: So on that note, we cut to the beach where
Speaker 4: Michael comes up to Jane, who's, oh, well, after they've
Speaker 4: put up flyers. All the gang is sort of putting
Speaker 4: up flyers to try to find the lost dog. Maunt
Speaker 4: and Ronda and they're talking about poor Jane and what
Speaker 4: she's been through, and Sandy and Jane are also putting
Speaker 4: up flyers. Michael shows up to help actually, and Jane says, wait,
Speaker 4: why aren't you at the hospital. He says, well, actually,
Speaker 4: you know it's because of doctor Shaw, who encouraged me
Speaker 4: to come. And Jane says, you know, I don't know him, Yeah,
Speaker 4: tell me about him. I don't know that dog.
Speaker 5: I don't know him.
Speaker 4: He says, well, actually it's her. Oh, Jane says, should
Speaker 4: I be jealous? And Michael says probably.
Speaker 2: So I thought the way that he Thomas chose to
Speaker 2: play this was interesting, Yeah, because he said it in
Speaker 2: a way you know, you're writing this and you think
Speaker 2: we're gonna put down a you know, a little nugget
Speaker 2: there to be worried about that in the future. But
Speaker 2: he played it like, well, I'm a babe. Probably he
Speaker 2: made jealous. He didn't make it like I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: I don't know. He just said in a way that
Speaker 2: didn't seem ominous or something like yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Don't know, but it wasn't It wasn't comforting. It wasn't like,
Speaker 4: of course not honey, like like right, But like, you know,
Speaker 4: that is just interesting that this is the way we're
Speaker 4: depicting the character at this point. Yeah, and the very
Speaker 4: same episode that they lose their baby, he's also dropping
Speaker 4: this moment of like something something could happen the episode.
Speaker 2: But so my point to that insensitive writing is I
Speaker 2: think Thomas as being I don't know, he's a skilled actor,
Speaker 2: is to make the choice of being not aggressive and
Speaker 2: not insensitive, but like like benign.
Speaker 4: Probably it was. It was a little provocative, but.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I really do think it was because
Speaker 2: if you write this down, probably on Meloe's place, would
Speaker 2: be like yeah, probably like Jake would have done, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe we were starting to make the turn earlier than
Speaker 3: we realized, Like maybe they're starting to turn to make
Speaker 3: it a little more salacious earlier than we thought.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: But he does come up to Jane later, hitting on
Speaker 4: the camaran, and he tries to sort of explain his feelings,
Speaker 4: and he tells Jane how sorry he is and that
Speaker 4: he really wanted the baby too. So they're back together
Speaker 4: with their feelings and their sadness together. Then, also on
Speaker 4: the beach run the mountain Sandy are directed by a surfer. Hey,
Speaker 4: we think we saw a dog over there. They run
Speaker 4: down the beach, they meet a woman who's found the dog,
Speaker 4: who the dog had come up to her and her
Speaker 4: beach house, and the lady tells Jane and Michael what
Speaker 4: a great dog he is and I named him Barney,
Speaker 4: and Michael and Jane thank her, and before they walk away,
Speaker 4: taking Barney with them, they think, wait, well.
Speaker 1: And she also met her clips and casually that she
Speaker 1: just lost her husband.
Speaker 4: To keep the do I live alone and I didn't
Speaker 4: want to name the dog after my husband, but I
Speaker 4: still I live alone.
Speaker 5: I'm so sad.
Speaker 4: So Michael and Jane decide together, I think you're thinking
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking. We should leave this Barney dog with
Speaker 4: this lady, this nice lady. So they do, and she's thrilled,
Speaker 4: and Jane and Michael walk away on the beach together
Speaker 4: saying I love you, and they walk away into the
Speaker 4: beachy sunset. End of episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was sweet. I was just I thought the
Speaker 1: whole time was what about the dog? What about the dog?
Speaker 1: So the dog is everybody at home?
Speaker 3: The dog is okay for you other dog lunatics with
Speaker 3: they're crazy dog ladies.
Speaker 1: The dog is okay.
Speaker 2: Is going to be good for a beach dog, like
Speaker 2: a dog as a good home. I can see you
Speaker 2: see the mountain Alibi like, all up and down the coast.
Speaker 2: These kinds of dogs you know.
Speaker 4: That have yeah speech, the dog in real life, I'm
Speaker 4: sure it was very well trained. So on that note,
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