Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while Will is convinced he could win it. We are
Speaker 1: Wilfred Dellen Ryder Strong. Two best friends, one a TV expert,
Speaker 1: one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join us as
Speaker 1: we step into this castle full of lies, alliances and
Speaker 1: over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirled,
Speaker 1: Trading places. Well, we're getting this. We're getting there, man,
Speaker 1: getting there.
Speaker 2: So Rob is sitting pretty then, because if they vote
Speaker 2: out Eric and he doesn't ever say anything, that's what
Speaker 2: he wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna turn on Eric now he should.
Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance that some version of
Speaker 3: that will happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, because Eric is so bad.
Speaker 3: Oh it's the bad. We'll get it.
Speaker 2: But he's like, okay, it's like just sitting at this
Speaker 2: round table like watching everybody.
Speaker 1: But dude, you're not even trying. And he knows he's
Speaker 1: so bad because a they killed Kristen, which I can't
Speaker 1: believe they got away.
Speaker 2: With her.
Speaker 1: Mentioned is the worst at this game. I know, Danielle
Speaker 1: talked about him like he's a great guy. Seems like
Speaker 1: a great guy, horrible at Traders.
Speaker 3: Better than Tara.
Speaker 1: Uh maybe at least Tara like cries and recognizes that
Speaker 1: she's horrible.
Speaker 2: Mark is like, dude, because like you know, it's like
Speaker 2: somebody comes up to was like, hey, are you a trader?
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, what's a trader? I don't know.
Speaker 3: He's Spanish all but like all of a sudden, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know what you do. Yeah, oh my god, yeah I
Speaker 1: love it though it's you. Oh my god, all right.
Speaker 1: Episode ten begins with breakfast Rob and moiderth come on
Speaker 1: in eggs. Didn't want him to stop him to.
Speaker 3: Take about take about it for a second, give me
Speaker 3: tw eggs. Your we combostored.
Speaker 1: And then Rob has this thing where he's like, all
Speaker 1: the de see it has taking a toll on me,
Speaker 1: And I'm starting to genuinely feel bad, which is interesting,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, man, it's gotta be tough. You also
Speaker 1: win into everybody all day every day.
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about the timeline of everything too.
Speaker 3: I mean, you keep keep in mind, this is like
Speaker 3: a week for them.
Speaker 2: Right, right, this is like a week, right, and and
Speaker 2: and so so, like three days ago he was dealing
Speaker 2: with canvas. Yes, yeah, five days ago, my report was
Speaker 2: shoveling food into his face. Like, this is not that
Speaker 2: long ago for them. So yeah, it's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I have somewhere Michael Rappaport is still shuffling, slimmering
Speaker 1: it up for something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's one of those things where I can
Speaker 2: see his point of view though, where after a while
Speaker 2: it's got to be like I'm all I'm doing is
Speaker 2: lying all day long to everyone. It's gotta be tough
Speaker 2: after a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have any.
Speaker 3: You know, any form of a conscience, that's got to
Speaker 3: be tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't bother does he does, He wouldn't bother me
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: He'd be fine, you'd be thriving, you'd be actually getting energy.
Speaker 3: Getting off on it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I haven't told anyone the truth in a week, and
Speaker 2: it's god. Uh, well, I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 1: He didn't really bring it up later, but at roundtable
Speaker 1: somebody brought up how Rob seemed off. I forget. I
Speaker 1: think it was Nat And yeah, and it's interesting that
Speaker 1: what was off, was that he's feeling the pressure, the
Speaker 1: emotional pressure of having to lie to everybody all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I don't I can't remember last season,
Speaker 2: but I don't think I've seen anybody who's been a
Speaker 2: trader the whole time.
Speaker 1: Start to finish. They always people get caught in, recruited and.
Speaker 2: Recruited and cotton in them. Whoever's recruited maybe has to
Speaker 2: recruit somebody. He's been a trader, he's been playing this
Speaker 2: game since the first day. Yeah, that's got to be rough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then Eric and Mark come in, obviously not murdered,
Speaker 1: and then Terror comes in, and this is where she
Speaker 1: starts her whole like, my radar is off, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything. I'm feeling really dumb, which yeah, but then
Speaker 1: unfortunately she doesn't get any better. I thought this meant
Speaker 1: that she would actually like change her behavior or not
Speaker 1: trust her instincts or something. And she spends most of
Speaker 1: the day going after Rob and.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, is she gonna be
Speaker 2: the one who's gonna shoot a shot in the dark
Speaker 2: and take down the king?
Speaker 3: And that what happens?
Speaker 1: What happened? I don't understand, like her and Johnny all day.
Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna do it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it, and she's I think she's too scary.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of there's an episode of Seinfeld where
Speaker 2: George Castanza realizes every instinct he's ever had in his
Speaker 2: life has been wrong, so he does the direct opposite
Speaker 2: of everything in his life starts.
Speaker 3: To become amazing. I feel that's what she needs to do.
Speaker 2: It's like, I really think it's rob So that's why
Speaker 2: I'm voting for you, Like it's exactly you know, So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's but it's it's getting comically bad with her with
Speaker 2: how bad it is, and that's why you never have
Speaker 2: to kill her or do anything. She can't be a
Speaker 2: trader because, as Mark says later in the episode, where
Speaker 2: he's like, it's the best acting in the history of
Speaker 2: the world if she if she's really I mean, like
Speaker 2: the best Academy Award, she's Meryl Streep if she's a trader,
Speaker 2: because she can't.
Speaker 3: Nobody could be fumbling around this much. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 1: No, But I mean, actually, if I were one of
Speaker 1: the faithful in this scenario, I would really be turning
Speaker 1: on Johnny in this situation, because I'd be watching her
Speaker 1: go through all of this and be like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: actually a faithful and Johnny's been lying to her this
Speaker 1: whole time because that, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that seems like the dynamic that I would that I
Speaker 1: would predict just from if I was one of the faithful,
Speaker 1: But no one's even really brought that up, like they
Speaker 1: were suspicious of Johnny like an episode or two ago,
Speaker 1: and then everyone just dropped it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I just don't know how they're playing.
Speaker 3: They get off people very quickly.
Speaker 2: Where it's like it's got to be this person, got
Speaker 2: to be this person. Then they don't vote for that person.
Speaker 2: Then they never bring them up again.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's Mark is just falling. I mean
Speaker 1: he's going to look back on his performance this whole
Speaker 1: season and be like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Eve and More are both because they're both
Speaker 1: just like well, if anybody it's not Rob and you're like, really,
Speaker 1: why why why why would you assume that? Like even
Speaker 1: I say, with Tara and Johnny, I could see like
Speaker 1: the whole like we're best friends, we wouldn't lie to
Speaker 1: each other. But even that's bullshit, that's not the way
Speaker 1: the game is played. You're lying doing that's the worst
Speaker 1: way to play because the person's gonna have you in
Speaker 1: their pocket if they are a trade, because they'll just
Speaker 1: rely on the fact that you're their best friend.
Speaker 2: It's also as an audience member, though, it's a wonder
Speaker 2: full psychological kind of rorshack test almost because as they're
Speaker 2: talking about, like everybody's going, well, maybe we need to
Speaker 2: start concentrating on people that nobody that haven't had suspicion
Speaker 2: on them at all, like like a Rob like in
Speaker 2: Eric something like that, And who's saying this Maura who
Speaker 2: nobody has ever once mentioned the possibility that she and
Speaker 2: she's just skated through the whole time.
Speaker 3: I know, how do you know, how does no one
Speaker 3: throw her out?
Speaker 1: Do you think they just don't give her credit like
Speaker 1: for me being manipulative?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe where's she's too much of a simpleton
Speaker 3: quote unquote.
Speaker 1: Kind of because I mean it's it's what's working for Rob, right,
Speaker 1: Like everyone thinks that he's kind of not that smart
Speaker 1: or wouldn't be manipulated, and like they kept turning on
Speaker 1: Natalie and being like you're really smart, and it's like,
Speaker 1: why is that a problem.
Speaker 3: She's also said to my favorite moment of the entire episode.
Speaker 1: Ter like and you are, okay, you're here too smart too?
Speaker 1: You're smart, But that's what I mean. They're so just
Speaker 1: thinking about this wrong, like they're not Yeah, all right, anyway,
Speaker 1: Tarah comes in by herself, says her radar's off. Then
Speaker 1: Johnny comes in solo, and then Natalie meaning they murdered Kristen,
Speaker 1: which is my immediate thought was what idiots? Because she
Speaker 1: literally said Eric was acting weird. You know that it's Eric,
Speaker 1: and no one.
Speaker 2: Follows up with that. No, this entire episode, markus, well,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Think about it as a trade,
Speaker 2: as a trader. It's a horrible thing to say. And
Speaker 2: I'm not denigrating anybody. Rob got rid of all the
Speaker 2: smart people, but it's true.
Speaker 3: Think about who's left.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's so embarrassing and true.
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 1: It's like the worst players, right.
Speaker 2: Natalie was the last you know, somebody where it was like, ooh,
Speaker 2: she's playing the gamesmart thinking that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: That's it. Think about who's left.
Speaker 2: You've got Tara, Johnny, Eric, who's another trade Moura and
Speaker 2: Rob's and Mark true, right, so they can say what
Speaker 2: they want.
Speaker 3: We got rid of the gamers first, and we got
Speaker 3: rid of the housewives. They got rid of the smart people.
Speaker 1: Right, there's literally nobody well, or even if you don't
Speaker 1: say smart, just good players. They literally get what I.
Speaker 3: Meantinctually smart players. Not necessarily. I'm sure they're they're smart.
Speaker 1: People who are strategizing in any regard because as it is,
Speaker 1: they're really just doing the dumbest things. Like Mark and
Speaker 1: Moyra are just like, well, I can't be Rob because
Speaker 1: I like him.
Speaker 2: Tara is literally arguing with herself. I know where she'll
Speaker 2: be like, it's definitely this person, and then she'll vote
Speaker 2: against the things she said all day long. Yep, So
Speaker 2: it's again that's what I mean smart. Smart might be
Speaker 2: the wrong word. You're right, because it's not intelligent, just
Speaker 2: gameplay and good as Oh about who's left.
Speaker 1: Well, I was surprised. I was shocked at they murdered Christian.
Speaker 1: I really thought that that was a bad move because
Speaker 1: she had really just pointed her fingers directly at Eric.
Speaker 1: But I also think that they had to because Rob
Speaker 1: and Eric, you know, the conversation and the turret, which
Speaker 1: they probably cut out from the previous episode was Eric
Speaker 1: being like, I'm not gonna be able to act my
Speaker 1: way out of this, Like I can't if Kristin is
Speaker 1: still there. I'm just gonna cave tomorrow if she talks
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, exactly, because I mean that's what it
Speaker 1: had to come down to, right, because they were like,
Speaker 1: look you because he said at the end of the
Speaker 1: last episode, Rob said to him, you just have to
Speaker 1: be cool, and you know, they must have decided he couldn't. Sorry,
Speaker 1: really can't.
Speaker 3: He's easy.
Speaker 2: You're walking by the cops with walking by the cops
Speaker 2: with your friend, and your friend is drunk as hell,
Speaker 2: and you're like, just be cool, just.
Speaker 3: To be cool, just just don't fall on your face
Speaker 3: and we'll get home.
Speaker 2: Okay. That it's the Yeah, he's that guy, So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's uh.
Speaker 3: But watching it is.
Speaker 2: Just one kind of ye after another, and they don't.
Speaker 2: This episode, at least, Rob and Eric didn't really have
Speaker 2: to do much. It was kind of everybody else taking
Speaker 2: the heavy lifting. Well. Rob worked a little bit in
Speaker 2: the I feel like he had to defend himself rolls
Speaker 2: it in at the right time, yes, which is great,
Speaker 2: But for the most part he kind of got to
Speaker 2: sit back and let Natalie and Tara and everybody else
Speaker 2: just kind of do their thing. And I feel bad
Speaker 2: for Mark in a way because Mark is now one
Speaker 2: of what the five people left, six people left, and
Speaker 2: this guy still doesn't get a lot of camera time.
Speaker 2: It's like they're still cutting everybody else but Mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's one of those like probably really
Speaker 1: nice in real life, obviously a talented dancer, but doesn't
Speaker 1: bring much personality and manage or much, you know, which
Speaker 1: is why he's lasted this long, because he's just not
Speaker 1: really plain. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Man, More's the same way though.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of there, I know, but I love her accents.
Speaker 3: I love her.
Speaker 1: So after breakfast, Tara says this thing she slept on.
Speaker 1: It doesn't think it's Natalie.
Speaker 2: Okay, you slept on it, and now you've decided it's
Speaker 2: not Natalie, which you're.
Speaker 1: Going to go back on by the end of the day.
Speaker 3: She like does this whole speech like it's so she's just.
Speaker 1: I mean, when she's crying at the end, it's it's
Speaker 1: on you, lady, like, yeah, okay. And then Mark and
Speaker 1: Rob talk and you know, Mark is just in Rob's pocket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like this is this is the moment
Speaker 1: where you could talk about Eric, really talk about Eric, and.
Speaker 2: But he's said it several times, which is which is
Speaker 2: so interesting again the psychological kind of disadvantage that he's
Speaker 2: at because he's he has like he was like, I've
Speaker 2: first of all, keep in mind what he does for
Speaker 2: a living requires a partner for dancing.
Speaker 3: Mm.
Speaker 2: His partner was Kristen essentially in this game. Now she's gone,
Speaker 2: and he said several times like I'm I'm alone on
Speaker 2: an island.
Speaker 3: I've got nobody. So he just wanted to latch onto
Speaker 3: a group.
Speaker 2: So I think the second he latched on, then he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is my new group.
Speaker 3: I have friends. I'm fine, so I can't.
Speaker 2: Vote for them, right, And it's like he just latched
Speaker 2: on looking for, yeah, somebody to have lunch with in
Speaker 2: the cafeteria.
Speaker 3: Totally that point, and it's it gets a little sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing. They're all voting, like, they're
Speaker 1: all basically just going off of who they like or
Speaker 1: who they get along with. And it's like that's not
Speaker 1: the point of the game. The point of the game
Speaker 1: is who's been eliminated? Why have they been eliminated. Who's
Speaker 1: who's led us in the direction to keep making mistakes
Speaker 1: because they've made more mistakes than not and they are
Speaker 1: they're not paying attention to you know, or when they
Speaker 1: do when they bring up like Candice voted for Rob,
Speaker 1: that's weird.
Speaker 2: And they're thing is they're throwing out the good clues
Speaker 2: and then kind of disregarding them. So, yeah, it's I
Speaker 2: was like, I thought there was gonna be some kind
Speaker 2: of wonderful poetry to the fact that Tara, who was
Speaker 2: this terrible player who's never once gotten it right, was
Speaker 2: going to get Rob out.
Speaker 3: I thought, so, you know what, I was gonna be like,
Speaker 3: this is kind of brilliant.
Speaker 1: If this is the way, you can't like the whole
Speaker 1: day was going that way. Yes, Because then the car
Speaker 1: right on the way to the mission, Tara, Natalie, and
Speaker 1: Moira are discussing Rob. Moira's not budging on the Rob thing,
Speaker 1: but you know, she she actually says, uh, she would
Speaker 1: storm out of the castle if it was him, because
Speaker 1: she's so convinced. It's like, what, why, what do you
Speaker 1: mean storm out of the castle, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3: A guy she's doing a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's just in love with him. Yes, there's
Speaker 1: a chemistry. Yes, I totally think she's just being an
Speaker 1: idiot because she's just like, well, I can't be a Rob.
Speaker 3: We're gonna hear a little later that they're dating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right in the car, Natalie pushes for
Speaker 1: Rob with uh Tara and Johnny, which is like, hey,
Speaker 1: a good move and kind of Natalie's only move and
Speaker 1: Tara and I was like, yeah, this is you know,
Speaker 1: smart the mission again they set. I love like I
Speaker 1: just love a good creepy carnival yep. And it was perfect,
Speaker 1: great production design, creepy carnival.
Speaker 3: Little American horror stories esque yep.
Speaker 1: Did the word caras Hell work for you?
Speaker 3: I mean it was of.
Speaker 1: I just kept wanting to say Caroshel Karrish. When I
Speaker 1: saw it, I was like, oh, caras Hell, But then
Speaker 1: it was like my brain when I was reading it
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, that's Kroshell.
Speaker 3: You's got the shell. I got the call.
Speaker 1: Show with the brain on it. Oh my god. Well
Speaker 1: I love that they have their dummies and Natalie. Did
Speaker 1: you notice Natalie holding the dummy Eric's hand.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're going to get through this.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to get through this. I I mean
Speaker 1: I would probably throw up. I am really bad at
Speaker 1: like spinning things like this. I remember throwing up when
Speaker 1: I was a kid on the little tire swings, you know,
Speaker 1: when people would wind you up on the tire swings.
Speaker 1: So I would not be good at this yet.
Speaker 3: No, I uh, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: I for some reason, when I'm focused on other things,
Speaker 2: I can get bet. So if I'm like I knew
Speaker 2: it was part of a game where I've got to
Speaker 2: get out. I've got to spin five times, get out
Speaker 2: and then run, psychologically, I could probably get through it.
Speaker 3: As opposed to just you're going on a ride. We're
Speaker 3: gonna spin you around, right, It's rough. Just that's all
Speaker 3: you're doing. We're just spinning you see.
Speaker 1: I mean I get motion sickness. So I wonder if
Speaker 1: that would count, Like if I could just say, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw up, if you you know, make me
Speaker 1: like sit in a car and read.
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that if they keep in
Speaker 2: line with what they did last year. The last challenge
Speaker 2: is huge.
Speaker 1: Really, it's like physically well.
Speaker 2: The one they did last year was you literally you're
Speaker 2: all harnessed in and then a helicopter comes and straps
Speaker 2: you to the bottom of a helicopter so you're like
Speaker 2: hanging on a wire flies you all the way up
Speaker 2: and over the trees that are hundreds of feet tall,
Speaker 2: and you have to drop money into these things.
Speaker 3: So it was like it was pretty massive.
Speaker 1: At this point too. Also, having a shield is not
Speaker 1: as important as like having a dagger. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: more important if you are in any position, if you're
Speaker 1: a trader or a faithful you want to be able
Speaker 1: to sway the votes because if you're trying to get
Speaker 1: a trader and you believe in yourself or your team
Speaker 1: or whoever, you know, that extra vote that's more important
Speaker 1: than if somebody gets murdered or not at this rate,
Speaker 1: I think, because.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think it's also though, if you're a trader,
Speaker 2: they wanted it just so they had carte blanche with
Speaker 2: whoever they It's like, we can kill anybody we want to.
Speaker 3: We don't have to.
Speaker 2: You know, if Natalie got the shield and Natalie was
Speaker 2: the one coming after them, and it was like okay,
Speaker 2: we can, we can this way, we don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about who we're going to kill. We can kill
Speaker 2: whoever we want. Yeah, so I think that makes a difference.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the the dagger I think was important.
Speaker 1: I just feel like the game at this point is more.
Speaker 1: The roundtable is a bigger deal than the murders, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's Yeah. I think that's true too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is there Oh yeah there is. I was going to say,
Speaker 3: is there another murder? But yeah, there is. We just
Speaker 3: don't know who it is, right, I think of what
Speaker 3: it's going to be though.
Speaker 1: Really I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Wait, do I have to be friend of volleyball? Anyway?
Speaker 3: Someone has to do it? We'll see you there.
Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna run, they spin for a bunch, then
Speaker 1: they have to run to Teddy Bears and rip them
Speaker 1: open trying to find money.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that one point when who is at Eric
Speaker 1: is like they smell horrible.
Speaker 3: They smell whack, whack, No, totally whack.
Speaker 1: I love that little detailed What did they do, like
Speaker 1: leave these out overnight? Probably gross? And yeah, all right, well,
Speaker 1: so Rob runs back last. And at this point I
Speaker 1: thought it was obvious that they were going to be
Speaker 1: doing musical chairs.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that either. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Well because when they said in the beginning, he's laying
Speaker 1: out the rules and I know your brand probably shuts
Speaker 1: off during but he said, if you're the last one
Speaker 1: on the spinning If you're there for the last spinning ride,
Speaker 1: you get a shield. And I was like, oh, so
Speaker 1: it's going to be the last person standing. That's the
Speaker 1: only way it would you'd.
Speaker 2: Get to be the last I didn't put that together,
Speaker 2: and I was a little I was a little pissed
Speaker 2: about that because I was like, I wish they had
Speaker 2: told If they told me, I had to run there
Speaker 2: as fast as possible, get it and come back.
Speaker 3: Right, that's different.
Speaker 1: That's the only way. It's a competition, though, Like there
Speaker 1: was no right, So they just didn't think it through.
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, Rob did why are you
Speaker 1: okay with being the last person? And then he wasn't
Speaker 1: and yeah, and he turned on Mark, which is a
Speaker 1: little weird, Yeah, and like kind of harshly. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: this is you know, he's talked about being more emotionally
Speaker 1: in control before and like how and he's demonstrated that
Speaker 1: very well.
Speaker 3: So you think it was real or do you think
Speaker 3: he was acting.
Speaker 2: Too?
Speaker 1: I think it felt more like because then he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you, I'm not mad at you,
Speaker 1: and he realized but he was still very emotional, So
Speaker 1: I think it was just an emotional like breakdown of
Speaker 1: the you know, the pressure that he talked about in
Speaker 1: the beginning of the episode, that feeling of like having
Speaker 1: to lie so much. I think it probably, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: drove him crazy.
Speaker 2: Maybe, how again, it was probably three days ago, but
Speaker 2: I feel like Lisa Renna hasn't been in there for
Speaker 2: nine months mm hmm. And so, because I was thinking
Speaker 2: about one of the things that they said in the
Speaker 2: car back, Natalie was like, Rob's acting seemed really bad
Speaker 2: today and that maybe take a Lisa.
Speaker 3: We were both like, God, that wasn't That wasn't a
Speaker 3: great beat that you just had there. That wasn't a
Speaker 3: good moment.
Speaker 2: But he's not an actor, right, And frankly, I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was that bad.
Speaker 1: No, I actually believed it. I thought I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: hold on in your emotions in check like it seemed real.
Speaker 2: I felt the same way I thought he was getting.
Speaker 2: I think I think what he said in the beginning
Speaker 2: of the entire episode is absolutely true where I think
Speaker 2: the whole thing is just getting to him. I think
Speaker 2: it's got to be a whole different kind of pressure
Speaker 2: when you're a trader. I think you're probably shooting more
Speaker 2: stuff you're you know, got to be thinking ten moves ahead.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a lot more mentally exhausting than
Speaker 2: being a faithful is totally and he's been there the
Speaker 2: whole time, and he's probably starting to lose it a
Speaker 2: little bit. Also, the one who was calling him out
Speaker 2: for being a bad actor, Natalie was the worst liar
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Remember her trying to lie to.
Speaker 1: Keep the dagger.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: It's just like licking your lips and not able to
Speaker 1: make eye particular dude. So yeah, she doesn't know from line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's a very straightforward person, which I think is
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I like her and why
Speaker 1: I was thinking she would be better at this than
Speaker 1: she is. But exactly like she says when she leaves,
Speaker 1: I think it comes across as somewhat aggressive and people
Speaker 1: don't you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, not to be this guy, but that same
Speaker 2: attitude in the man, most people are like, man, that's
Speaker 2: just somebody.
Speaker 3: Going for what they want.
Speaker 2: Totally good for you, Good for you, that's that's that's
Speaker 2: drive right there. A woman You're sorry, she's got a
Speaker 2: chip on it. Yeah, exactly exactly what bit like, Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah she's bossy.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, how about just a boss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also especially in that last dress when she
Speaker 2: walked in, she's.
Speaker 1: She's ripped, ripped.
Speaker 2: I mean she's good crush men.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean she is really good shape.
Speaker 1: And that's like a new development, like because when I
Speaker 1: when she I don't remember her being that bad. I
Speaker 1: mean she was always athletic, right, like like compared to
Speaker 1: like when she was on Amazing Race or whatever survivor
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, Like I don't remember
Speaker 1: her arms. She's working, she even says, she says something
Speaker 1: about like I work really hard at being strong. And
Speaker 1: I was like in a lot of senses of that. Ye,
Speaker 1: like not just not just you're you're talking about emotionally,
Speaker 1: but you're also like I just can't take my eyes
Speaker 1: off your arms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like, god, geez, look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I mean she's basically like a bodybuilder.
Speaker 1: You know, she's got that kind of like she's clearly.
Speaker 3: Has that kind of bodybuilding physique.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then Rob is removed. He's pissed at Mark,
Speaker 1: which is a weird reaction. The next round, Natalie helps
Speaker 1: Moira even though she's got money, and I thought this
Speaker 1: was a really good move. This was like the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that I wanted Natalie to be doing from
Speaker 1: the beginning of this game. She's like, I got to
Speaker 1: get in Moira's good graces to convince her that Rob
Speaker 1: is the guy because I know that she's win with Rob.
Speaker 1: It's like, really smart. She should have been doing that
Speaker 1: days ago, because she hasn't called, you know, because obviously
Speaker 1: Moira's falls for whoever treats her nice or takes care
Speaker 1: of her, which is exactly why she's falling for Rob.
Speaker 1: She's not seeing it for what it is. So yes,
Speaker 1: Natalie should have been doing this, but at least she
Speaker 1: makes the effort. Johnny doesn't make it that second round,
Speaker 1: he's out. Then Moira joking, you're joking.
Speaker 3: I'm so good at this game. She was so happy.
Speaker 1: One and then Mark is out. So the last ring,
Speaker 1: there's two seats removed, or it is not even the
Speaker 1: last one yet, I don't think, so Natalie and tear
Speaker 1: her out, and then Moira and Eric come down to
Speaker 1: the final and she says she's gonna get that shield
Speaker 1: if it's the last thing she does. Last thing I do,
Speaker 1: but Eric wins Man traders just killing it, killing it,
Speaker 1: killing it. In the car ride back, Natalie breaks down
Speaker 1: the strategy in terms of numbers, and this was very smart. Yep.
Speaker 1: She's like, Rob has the dagger. Rob and Lawyer are
Speaker 1: voting together. They're gonna vote for At this point, she's
Speaker 1: saying me, right, she knows, and we need to get
Speaker 1: Rob and we all need to stick together. Now, this
Speaker 1: is a perfect argument. It seems like Tara and Johnny
Speaker 1: are with her.
Speaker 3: Oh, with her. They instigated the whole thing at the beginning.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting at this point, I'm like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a real round table, Like this is gonna be really tough. Yep.
Speaker 1: So what is it like? I mean, it doesn't like
Speaker 1: is Tara just such a whimp when it comes to confrontation. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is right, but that doesn't make sense for Johnny,
Speaker 1: Like Johnny doesn't seem like a pushover. Like Johnny seems
Speaker 1: like the type of.
Speaker 2: Guy who just tell you to your face, like I
Speaker 2: disagree with you or I think you're a trader. But
Speaker 2: he caves too. It's so weird to me that they
Speaker 2: all pounce on Natalie. I guess the only reason that
Speaker 2: I think it would work is because because, as they said,
Speaker 2: or as Rob said later, Natalie played the round table
Speaker 2: wrong and came off looking really guilty.
Speaker 1: Just because she was so aggressive.
Speaker 2: I don't know, or they cut something because again I
Speaker 2: didn't think she played it terribly, but she got She
Speaker 2: did get instantly pissed when Tara was like, she was like,
Speaker 2: all I need you to do is to back me
Speaker 2: up for your theory. Yes, Like I'll flow your theory
Speaker 2: that we've talked about all day and then just stick
Speaker 2: with your theory.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And she doesn't even stick with her own theory. It
Speaker 2: says like where did that come from?
Speaker 1: So I guess maybe if Natalie hadn't been as as
Speaker 1: confrontational and maybe a little more like, hey, Tara, remember
Speaker 1: the conversation we had, Yeah, like I need you to
Speaker 1: help me here. Yeah, Like this is not about like
Speaker 1: we had a call, you know, like she could have
Speaker 1: been maybe a little less like you are turning on me.
Speaker 1: And I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Because that really didn't work shuts her down and shut
Speaker 2: it down, which is so strange because professional figure skaters
Speaker 2: I know a little bit of this world. These are
Speaker 2: super competitive, like amazingly driven people that are doing two
Speaker 2: and three days from their time they're four, and it's
Speaker 2: like they have one drive and one thing. So the
Speaker 2: idea that she's like kind of this wilting flower is
Speaker 2: a little strange to me.
Speaker 1: That socially right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, I guess.
Speaker 1: So there is a psychological torture element to this entire case.
Speaker 3: Oh god, there is, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that's like watching I mean, that's because that's what's
Speaker 1: happening to Rob this episode. I mean they have been
Speaker 1: there for what eight nine days at this point, Like
Speaker 1: that's gotta suck, man. When you start to feel like
Speaker 1: you can't trust anybody.
Speaker 3: In a paranoia prison for nine days.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're it's a paranoid house of mirrors, that's
Speaker 1: all it is. Yeah, Oh my god, I would I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean she says it at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode where she's just like just murder me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can take this anymore. I
Speaker 1: think that would be me on dato.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if I wasn't a trader, if I
Speaker 2: made it this far, I would be like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you got a kind of some somewhat take it
Speaker 2: as a compliment if people vote you out, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: like Natalie should take it as a compliment. But I
Speaker 2: do actually have to say though, if you know what
Speaker 2: we were talking about Eric in the severe anxiety and
Speaker 2: again dealing with anxiety. However, the pressure, the psychological pressure
Speaker 2: of dealing with anxiety and being in that environment, and
Speaker 2: him going from faithful first to now being a trader
Speaker 2: and dealing with that as a mental illness.
Speaker 3: That's pretty impressive. Yep, because I get why you just
Speaker 3: shut down. I get why he's quiet around the table,
Speaker 3: because it's like.
Speaker 1: Well, just let Rob do his think, because Rob is
Speaker 1: going so doing so well. Yes, I mean like in
Speaker 1: some ways, Eric's worst nightmare would been that Rob gets killed,
Speaker 1: because then he would be alone as a and he
Speaker 1: would be horrible.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I mean. So it's God, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 1: This is such so interesting? All right. Well, then Tara
Speaker 1: and Natalie talked to Mark back at the house. They
Speaker 1: talk about Rob's bad acting, which I didn't really think
Speaker 1: was bad acting. That doesn't seem like you did either,
Speaker 1: But I agree they're right. They're on the money to
Speaker 1: start talking about Rob then Johnny talks to Eric just
Speaker 1: so nervous it's hysterical. And then this moment with Rob
Speaker 1: and Moira happens, which I could not believe she did
Speaker 1: not notice it. He's literally saying to her, we got
Speaker 1: to get Natalie out, and then Johnny and Tara, which
Speaker 1: is pure trader talk, like it's a pure He's treated
Speaker 1: her as if she's Eric, like that she's part of
Speaker 1: the team of how they have to vote people out.
Speaker 1: And he's not saying because they're a trader.
Speaker 2: He's just literally saying, we got to get him out
Speaker 2: or her out, and then him and it was like.
Speaker 1: And she just kind of like okay, Rob.
Speaker 2: And the best part is he walks away behind her
Speaker 2: holding a knife he just ate with and he's like, yes,
Speaker 2: Chicken was good.
Speaker 3: It was just like the greatest.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're with me, You're gonna do this and
Speaker 2: we're gonna get rid of him and her and then
Speaker 2: I'll see you later.
Speaker 1: Okay, keep it between us.
Speaker 3: Chicken chicken whis It's just like, Wow, this guy's insane.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be swimming with the fishes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing suspicious.
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, she's just in his camp like she's
Speaker 1: just taking her.
Speaker 2: They talk and I was like, yeah, we can't get
Speaker 2: rid of her. She's perfect, she's too just following everything. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: oh man, she's gonna feel so dumb when she I
Speaker 2: would love if she's in fact the secret genius and
Speaker 2: at the end she calls out the one trader and
Speaker 2: takes all the money and walks like, I will be out.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, it would be amazing.
Speaker 2: She's been just doing this the entire time. She's the
Speaker 2: best player in the history of the show.
Speaker 3: No, oh god, that's the case.
Speaker 1: This moment, though, it blew my mind. I was like, Rob,
Speaker 1: I thought he would had overplayed it. I thought she
Speaker 1: was literally going to be like that was weird me.
Speaker 3: But instead she.
Speaker 1: Just like shows up at the route. Well, can't be Rob, Yeah,
Speaker 1: couldn't be me, Rob.
Speaker 3: It's true. It's like he lived.
Speaker 2: You're right, there was no there was no ambiguity in
Speaker 2: the conversation he was having. He wasn't trying to like
Speaker 2: layer it into a conversation. Here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Where's what we're gonna do. We're gonna vote this person
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna kill this person. And get him
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 1: She's okay, all right. So the round table, Tara starts
Speaker 1: off talking about how she can't trust herself, which I
Speaker 1: thought was going to lead to and but I'm going
Speaker 1: to say it's Rob. It didn't you know? And it didn't.
Speaker 2: It Literally the entire her entire conversation started with I'm
Speaker 2: bad at this game. I'm going to start though by
Speaker 2: saying I don't want to put anybody up.
Speaker 3: And then she sat back and it's like, then.
Speaker 2: Why did you talk let somebody else stalk and let
Speaker 2: somebody else start.
Speaker 3: I know it was so she didn't back up her
Speaker 3: own theory.
Speaker 2: She started the day saying, I've slept on it. It's
Speaker 2: not Natalie.
Speaker 1: Then spent the whole day colluding with Natalie coming to
Speaker 1: the listening to somebody like her make the conclusion that
Speaker 1: it's Rob and give real numbers reasons why they should
Speaker 1: stick together, and then just lets all of that go.
Speaker 2: It made no sense to vote on the person that
Speaker 2: literally the first conversation of the day was her going,
Speaker 2: I got to.
Speaker 3: Tell her that it wasn't her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any
Speaker 2: sense the way she's playing.
Speaker 1: So then Rob is able to bring up Natalie. Natalie
Speaker 1: brings this whole like you shifted Rob the last couple
Speaker 1: of days, which is interesting, and then she brings up
Speaker 1: the canvas vote for Rob, which is, you know, not
Speaker 1: amazing evidence, but it's something you know, And she also
Speaker 1: knows that they're going to vote for her, so she's
Speaker 1: pretty desperate in this scenario, and she you know, she
Speaker 1: is a faithful so she's coming from the right place. See,
Speaker 1: I think I think think it's much better evidence then
Speaker 1: you would think, because that Candice voted for real.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because if they think, especially if you're a
Speaker 2: housewife and you want to get like, oh, if I'm
Speaker 2: going down, I'm taking you with me.
Speaker 3: And she voted. She it turns out to Cheee the
Speaker 3: Trader and she votes.
Speaker 2: Threw out his name twice to me, that is the
Speaker 2: breadcrumb that you need.
Speaker 3: And everybody talked about it. They're like, yeah, that's legit,
Speaker 3: that's a legit thing.
Speaker 2: And then everyone went, man, we're not gonna I forget it.
Speaker 1: It's true, weird, it's tru can't be Rob. So then
Speaker 1: Tara Natalie start to go at it, which I was
Speaker 1: really bummed out for both of them, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is going to suck for them to watch back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and realized that they were being used perfectly. H and
Speaker 1: Tara especially like I just couldn't you know. And we
Speaker 1: see the dagger, like, are we going to use the dagger?
Speaker 1: Rob raises his hand. Obviously he's going to use the dagger. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Natalie votes Tara, which was kind of a bummer. I
Speaker 1: was like, why are you voting Rob? Like you made
Speaker 1: all these arguments and now you're just voting emotionally personal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's personally now, it's just not smart.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: Then Rob and Mark vote for Natalie because Mark is
Speaker 1: just following Rob looking for friends.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Terror votes Natalie, I guess because she's changed her mind
Speaker 1: completely since what she started with this morning. Maria votes
Speaker 1: Natalie and that's when she's officially banished. But then Eric
Speaker 1: also votes Natalie. Not no surprise there. And then Natalie
Speaker 1: has this moment with Johnny, which I thought was intense,
Speaker 1: but Johnny's.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, she like, don't say I'm sorry, don't
Speaker 2: say you're sorry, don't say you're sorry.
Speaker 1: Just vote for me.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to hear I don't hear it,
Speaker 2: Like Wow, Well again, you you would have to I
Speaker 2: have to imagine, as a faithful you would have to
Speaker 2: walk away from the conversation you had had all day
Speaker 2: in the car, everything walk away going okay, So one
Speaker 2: of them has to be a trader, because all day
Speaker 2: long they were on my side. They threw this out there,
Speaker 2: it was their theory, they knew what they were doing,
Speaker 2: and then last second they turned on me, left me
Speaker 2: out to dry.
Speaker 3: Has to be either Terror or Johnny. I mean, how
Speaker 3: how could you walk away with any other conclusion. I
Speaker 3: mean you literally talk to them all day. It's Rob.
Speaker 3: It's Rob. It's Rob, and they're the ones tring on you.
Speaker 3: The second you sit down, they turn on you.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, actually, So Natalie voting for Terror
Speaker 1: makes sense in that way. So she should have made
Speaker 1: a last minute please she should have said, you know,
Speaker 1: I came in here ready to vote for Rob, but
Speaker 1: based on that Tara turning on me, we should all
Speaker 1: be voting for Terror because that's crazy that she's flipped
Speaker 1: on a dime this much. Yeah, that would have been
Speaker 1: a better argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is your whole your whole day, this has
Speaker 2: been your theory. You started the day by coming to
Speaker 2: me and saying I slept on it. I know it's
Speaker 2: not you, right, And then you spent the entire day
Speaker 2: convin it was Rob and strategizing with how we're going
Speaker 2: to do it. I then start the strategy at the
Speaker 2: table and say it's Rob and the first thing you do.
Speaker 3: Is stab me in the back. Trader, you have to
Speaker 3: be Yeah, you know you'd be wrong, but at least
Speaker 3: you'd have a legitimate reason to say it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. They're already so screwed, all right.
Speaker 2: So then Tara's bawling saying she's a fool, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not a.
Speaker 1: Good Okay, just murder me.
Speaker 3: Anyway. Who do you think so far has been the
Speaker 3: worst player?
Speaker 1: I mean Mark and Tara. I think like everybody, all
Speaker 1: the people left, literally everybody left is a bad player.
Speaker 1: Like you were you you said it earlier. It's so
Speaker 1: you're so right, Like they have played. The Traders have
Speaker 1: done such a good job of eliminating the good players.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes they have. They took everyone away.
Speaker 1: Because I mean the chance they took a chance by
Speaker 1: getting rid of Christian, who was a good player. The
Speaker 1: risk there was that she had done the good player
Speaker 1: thing of telling everybody if I die, it's Eric and
Speaker 1: Mark did not pick up that thread because he's not
Speaker 1: a good player. It's like they're just bad. It's so sad,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, they don't deserve any of this freaking money.
Speaker 1: They all deserve to die.
Speaker 3: You don't deserve the seventy eight and forty two.
Speaker 1: Dollars you're gonna wait that you got from a teddy bear?
Speaker 3: Got from a teddy bear?
Speaker 1: What you got from a wax smelling teddy bear. I
Speaker 1: love this moment where Rob and Mark lay on the
Speaker 1: pool table and they talk about you know, it's just like,
Speaker 1: is this this where I was like, Mark, you fool?
Speaker 3: But this is where Rob's a genius.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is because the one thing that I've noticed he
Speaker 2: does amazingly well is he keeps his mouth shut. He
Speaker 2: lets somebody else come to him and say something, and
Speaker 2: then a lot of the time he agrees with them, Yep,
Speaker 2: just agrees where he's even where she even Mark was
Speaker 2: like it can't be terror, and He's like, no, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's terror either, Like.
Speaker 1: And then Mark brings up Eric, and you know, and
Speaker 1: Rob sort of lets that sit a little bit because
Speaker 1: he's smart.
Speaker 2: H oh.
Speaker 3: It's so delicious.
Speaker 2: It has to be fattening because I know it's coming,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's great.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 1: In the turret, Rob calls out Eric for not talking.
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, that's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't talk at all, Like you gotta do
Speaker 1: a little. Oh. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I want more scenes of them just being the the
Speaker 1: trying to tell the little brother, like what the hell
Speaker 1: did you do? Like, so then Alan comes in and
Speaker 1: tells him they have to do a murder that night
Speaker 1: in front of everybody. We get this, you know, level
Speaker 1: of anxiety from them about that because they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to act, which I love. The producers are just putting
Speaker 1: the screws to Eric. Basically, they're just like, can you
Speaker 1: can you do this? Like, let's let's put him in
Speaker 1: the most uncomfortable situation.
Speaker 3: Like looking right. Alan's like looking right at him, going like,
Speaker 3: because it.
Speaker 2: Would be a shame to blow it now, I don't
Speaker 2: reveal your feelings.
Speaker 3: Eric, I'm totally natural.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So then everybody gets called outside in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night or close and when it's
Speaker 1: dark out I guess because they're sleeping in hotels apparently.
Speaker 1: Oh and they get to witness a coffin and somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna get murdered. Now you have your theory, you think it's.
Speaker 3: I think it's Moura. Really yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the way Rob said it to where he
Speaker 2: was like, I don't want to do this, I think
Speaker 2: he legitimately likes her when he said rip at the end.
Speaker 2: I think he definitely doesn't want to get rid of her.
Speaker 2: But I think she kind of makes the most sense.
Speaker 1: Right Why though, because she's completely in the bag for him,
Speaker 1: So she would never at the end moments turn on him,
Speaker 1: because don't they have to at the end like decide,
Speaker 1: like you want people that are one hundred percent believing
Speaker 1: you're faithful, right, Like, that's what you want to go
Speaker 1: to the end with, even when you're a trader, especially
Speaker 1: when you're trader. So for him, he should be looking
Speaker 1: at Mark and Moira as his rider die at this.
Speaker 2: Point, I think people think Johnny and Tara could be
Speaker 2: trader trader exactly.
Speaker 1: So oh so if you kill.
Speaker 2: One of them, then maybe they're not, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like keep them there is but oh right,
Speaker 2: because they can still banish one more person, right, right,
Speaker 2: So if you kill Moira or Mark, it makes Tara yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you could sell the especial.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is why you don't know who to pick or
Speaker 2: the other thing you do is see my guess is
Speaker 2: if you killed.
Speaker 1: Tara saying yes, yes, then you could still make it
Speaker 1: look like Johnny.
Speaker 2: But Johnny would never Johnny has said she's my rider
Speaker 2: or I'd never do that, so do you. If you
Speaker 2: believe Johnny, then he's automatically taking It's so difficult to
Speaker 2: pick who to do. I also wondered, and this is
Speaker 2: where we got to talk to somebody who knows all
Speaker 2: the rules, because I wondered, if could you make a
Speaker 2: deal with your fellow trader. Could Eric look to Rob
Speaker 2: and say, look, I'm a liability. If you promise to
Speaker 2: split the money with me, let's kill me, right, And
Speaker 2: so if I die, you're the last trader.
Speaker 3: It takes the onus off of it.
Speaker 1: You can never split the money. No, I can't be
Speaker 1: on the rules because then you'd be outside of the
Speaker 1: game if you if you get killed or banished, you're
Speaker 1: you lose your out right to it. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 3: Can possibly I'd be looking for all the loopholes I know.
Speaker 1: But the weirder one is the the what happened earlier
Speaker 1: with Colton and Lisa, right, because that was a weirder situation,
Speaker 1: Like how would that have played out if she had
Speaker 1: agreed to it, because then he would have been on
Speaker 1: the faithful side, helping the traders secretly. That seems like
Speaker 1: it would be allowed by the rules.
Speaker 2: But I think the rule says that the oath you
Speaker 2: take is the trader is you're not allowed to tell
Speaker 2: anybody except your favor that you're a trader. And she
Speaker 2: would have to tell Colton. But again, is that like
Speaker 2: an oath? Or are those rules okay? So if I
Speaker 2: were Rob right now, I would never let them murder.
Speaker 1: I would never let Eric murder my rider dies Moira
Speaker 1: or so if I'm Rob, who I think is thinking
Speaker 1: the most ahead, He's he knows that if he murders
Speaker 1: Johnny or Tara that he can that they can he
Speaker 1: can turn the other two against Eric if he has
Speaker 1: to do. You know what I'm saying, Like there's still
Speaker 1: the potential people voting for Eric and Rob getting away
Speaker 1: with it, like they're not gonna turn on him.
Speaker 2: Which one so, which one of them has said Eric's
Speaker 2: name Tara or Johnny, because what could be interesting is
Speaker 2: then you.
Speaker 1: Know Marcus, Marcus said it. That's the thing. You keep
Speaker 1: Mark around, and you keep because she'll vote with you,
Speaker 1: with you. So what you do is you kill Terror.
Speaker 1: I would say, you kill Tara, and you try and
Speaker 1: pin it on Johnny and if that doesn't work, you
Speaker 1: point the finger Eric.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Eric gets kicked out and he doesn't
Speaker 2: get to say I'm a trader because you don't get
Speaker 2: to say what you are exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's a good call because I.
Speaker 2: Think and if I were Eric, I would be I
Speaker 2: would be gunning for Mark or Moiro because you know
Speaker 2: I would be gunning mostly for Mark, assuming that that
Speaker 2: Rob told him that Mark said his name, and and
Speaker 2: you know that Mark is the one who Kristen said
Speaker 2: to the night before, so get rid of him, even
Speaker 2: though he didn't bring it up all days Mark and
Speaker 2: also just cut Rob's support out.
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna kill Terror Johnny.
Speaker 2: Well, it's already been proven that can obviously be made
Speaker 2: to vote however you kind of want or you want
Speaker 2: her to.
Speaker 3: So I'd killed Johnny.
Speaker 1: Really Tara around, but nobody was gonna believe that Tara
Speaker 1: did it, So you're really opening yourself up to being.
Speaker 2: Well then where you point to finger at Eric, right,
Speaker 2: and then you're the last trader standing.
Speaker 1: But see, I think there's a more there's a more
Speaker 1: plausible version. Like I think most Mark and Moira would
Speaker 1: more easily believe that Johnny killed Tara than the other
Speaker 1: way around. So I say, you kill Tara, and then
Speaker 1: you're able to say Johnny did it. He was lying
Speaker 1: to her the whole time. Johnny has to defend himself.
Speaker 1: And then you say, and if they're not buying that,
Speaker 1: then you pivot to Eric. That's what That's what I
Speaker 1: would do. Let's see. Interesting, I finally have a strategy.
Speaker 1: I feel like it only took all ten episodes before
Speaker 1: I had an opinion about any of it.
Speaker 2: If I was if I was rob though, I would
Speaker 2: reverse that because I'd want them to. I would kill
Speaker 2: one Johnny. I would get in Tara's ears saying it
Speaker 2: was Eric. I would have everybody pointing at Eric. I
Speaker 2: then banish Eric, and then I'm the last trader standing.
Speaker 1: It's a great call.
Speaker 3: If that's what he does, he deserves.
Speaker 1: The problem is they can't they can't know if they
Speaker 1: were right about banishing Eric. Right, that's tricky.
Speaker 3: Exactly, it's so weird.
Speaker 1: That's tricky.
Speaker 3: That's his goal though, that that's the goal.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, well let's wrap this up, shall we.
Speaker 2: Well, I think to wrap it up. You know that
Speaker 2: I'm an expert on famous history. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: basically it's kind of it was my pH D one
Speaker 2: of them, and with this is a segment that we call.
Speaker 3: Them trade real.
Speaker 2: So so we're having a song kind of Nickel Becky
Speaker 2: or hey wait, it's not getting insulted.
Speaker 3: So thing it's a hole I wanna be a.
Speaker 1: Pro jam.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: We've got a modern day one here, and one that
Speaker 2: was considered very dangerous. His name is Robert Hanson, and
Speaker 2: he remains one of the most dangerous and skilled traders
Speaker 2: in American espionage history.
Speaker 3: Robert Hanson fooled.
Speaker 2: The FBI for over two decades while spying for Soviet
Speaker 2: and Russian intelligence. His betrayal caused extraordinary damage to national security.
Speaker 2: He was caught in two thousand and one and received
Speaker 2: life without parole.
Speaker 1: Wow, so he's still in prison.
Speaker 2: He is still in prison. I think he might even
Speaker 2: be in Florence super Max, like the one where all
Speaker 2: the baddies go wow, which is uh yeah, so not
Speaker 2: a good guy.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirld.
Speaker 1: Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again we're left
Speaker 1: with the cliffhanger. Join us next time, as we conclude,
Speaker 1: is the next one? The last episode, as we conclude
Speaker 1: our journey through season four of Traders, a show in which,
Speaker 1: as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play fair as foul
Speaker 1: and foul is fair.
Speaker 3: Pearl here
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