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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, the podcast from two guys

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Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the

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Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So

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Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,

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Speaker 1: while Will is convinced he could win it. We are

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Speaker 1: Wilfred Dellen Ryder Strong. Two best friends, one a TV expert,

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Speaker 1: one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join us as

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Speaker 1: we step into this castle full of lies, alliances and

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Speaker 1: over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets Twirled,

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Speaker 1: Trading places. Well, we're getting this. We're getting there, man,

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Speaker 1: getting there.

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Speaker 2: So Rob is sitting pretty then, because if they vote

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Speaker 2: out Eric and he doesn't ever say anything, that's what

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Speaker 2: he wants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna turn on Eric now he should.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance that some version of

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Speaker 3: that will happen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because Eric is so bad.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's the bad. We'll get it.

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Speaker 2: But he's like, okay, it's like just sitting at this

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Speaker 2: round table like watching everybody.

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Speaker 1: But dude, you're not even trying. And he knows he's

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Speaker 1: so bad because a they killed Kristen, which I can't

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Speaker 1: believe they got away.

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Speaker 2: With her.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned is the worst at this game. I know, Danielle

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Speaker 1: a great guy, horrible at Traders.

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Speaker 3: Better than Tara.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe at least Tara like cries and recognizes that

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Speaker 2: Mark is like, dude, because like you know, it's like

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Speaker 2: somebody comes up to was like, hey, are you a trader?

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, what's a trader? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He's Spanish all but like all of a sudden, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know what you do. Yeah, oh my god, yeah I

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Speaker 1: love it though it's you. Oh my god, all right.

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Speaker 1: Episode ten begins with breakfast Rob and moiderth come on

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Speaker 1: in eggs. Didn't want him to stop him to.

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Speaker 3: Take about take about it for a second, give me

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Speaker 1: And then Rob has this thing where he's like, all

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Speaker 1: And I'm starting to genuinely feel bad, which is interesting,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, man, it's gotta be tough. You also

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Speaker 2: I keep thinking about the timeline of everything too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you keep keep in mind, this is like

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Speaker 3: a week for them.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, this is like a week, right, and and

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Speaker 2: and so so, like three days ago he was dealing

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Speaker 2: shoveling food into his face. Like, this is not that

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Speaker 2: long ago for them. So yeah, it's the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: But I have somewhere Michael Rappaport is still shuffling, slimmering

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's one of those things where I can

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Speaker 2: see his point of view though, where after a while

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Speaker 2: it's got to be like I'm all I'm doing is

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Speaker 2: lying all day long to everyone. It's gotta be tough

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have any.

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Speaker 3: You know, any form of a conscience, that's got to

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't bother does he does, He wouldn't bother me

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Speaker 1: He'd be fine, you'd be thriving, you'd be actually getting energy.

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Speaker 3: Getting off on it. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I haven't told anyone the truth in a week, and

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Speaker 2: it's god. Uh, well, I thought this was interesting.

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Speaker 1: He didn't really bring it up later, but at roundtable

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Speaker 1: somebody brought up how Rob seemed off. I forget. I

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Speaker 1: think it was Nat And yeah, and it's interesting that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I don't I can't remember last season,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think I've seen anybody who's been a

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Speaker 1: Start to finish. They always people get caught in, recruited and.

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Speaker 2: Recruited and cotton in them. Whoever's recruited maybe has to

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Speaker 1: So then Eric and Mark come in, obviously not murdered,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately she doesn't get any better. I thought this meant

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, is she gonna be

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Speaker 3: And that what happens?

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Speaker 1: What happened? I don't understand, like her and Johnny all day.

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Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna do it. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of there's an episode of Seinfeld where

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Speaker 2: George Castanza realizes every instinct he's ever had in his

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Speaker 3: To become amazing. I feel that's what she needs to do.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I really think it's rob So that's why

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Speaker 2: it's but it's it's getting comically bad with her with

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Speaker 2: trader because, as Mark says later in the episode, where

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Speaker 2: he's like, it's the best acting in the history of

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Speaker 2: the world if she if she's really I mean, like

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Speaker 3: Nobody could be fumbling around this much. It's pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: No, But I mean, actually, if I were one of

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Speaker 1: the faithful in this scenario, I would really be turning

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Speaker 1: actually a faithful and Johnny's been lying to her this

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Speaker 1: whole time because that, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: that seems like the dynamic that I would that I

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Speaker 1: But no one's even really brought that up, like they

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Speaker 1: I just I just don't know how they're playing.

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Speaker 3: They get off people very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Where it's like it's got to be this person, got

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Speaker 2: to be this person. Then they don't vote for that person.

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Speaker 2: Then they never bring them up again.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's Mark is just falling. I mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean Eve and More are both because they're both

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Speaker 1: the game is played. You're lying doing that's the worst

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Speaker 2: It's also as an audience member, though, it's a wonder

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Speaker 2: full psychological kind of rorshack test almost because as they're

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Speaker 2: Eric something like that, And who's saying this Maura who

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Speaker 3: I know, how do you know, how does no one

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Speaker 1: Do you think they just don't give her credit like

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe where's she's too much of a simpleton

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Speaker 1: Kind of because I mean it's it's what's working for Rob, right,

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Speaker 1: Like everyone thinks that he's kind of not that smart

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Speaker 3: She's also said to my favorite moment of the entire episode.

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Speaker 1: Ter like and you are, okay, you're here too smart too?

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Speaker 1: You're smart, But that's what I mean. They're so just

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Speaker 1: thinking about this wrong, like they're not Yeah, all right, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Tarah comes in by herself, says her radar's off. Then

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Speaker 1: which is my immediate thought was what idiots? Because she

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Speaker 1: literally said Eric was acting weird. You know that it's Eric,

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Speaker 2: as a trader. It's a horrible thing to say. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not denigrating anybody. Rob got rid of all the

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Speaker 3: Think about who's left.

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Speaker 3: Think about it.

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Speaker 1: It's like the worst players, right.

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Speaker 2: Natalie was the last you know, somebody where it was like, ooh,

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Speaker 3: That's it. Think about who's left.

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Speaker 2: You've got Tara, Johnny, Eric, who's another trade Moura and

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Speaker 2: Rob's and Mark true, right, so they can say what

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Speaker 3: We got rid of the gamers first, and we got

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Speaker 3: rid of the housewives. They got rid of the smart people.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's literally nobody well, or even if you don't

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Speaker 3: Meantinctually smart players. Not necessarily. I'm sure they're they're smart.

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Speaker 1: People who are strategizing in any regard because as it is,

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Speaker 2: Tara is literally arguing with herself. I know where she'll

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Speaker 2: against the things she said all day long. Yep, So

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Speaker 2: it's again that's what I mean smart. Smart might be

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Speaker 2: the wrong word. You're right, because it's not intelligent, just

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Speaker 1: Well, I was surprised. I was shocked at they murdered Christian.

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Speaker 1: I really thought that that was a bad move because

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Speaker 1: But I also think that they had to because Rob

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Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, exactly, because I mean that's what it

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Speaker 2: And they're thing is they're throwing out the good clues

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Speaker 1: If this is the way, you can't like the whole

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Speaker 3: A guy she's doing a week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's just in love with him. Yes, there's

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Speaker 3: We're gonna hear a little later that they're dating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right in the car, Natalie pushes for

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Speaker 1: I love that they have their dummies and Natalie. Did

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're going to get through this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to get through this. I I mean

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Speaker 1: I would probably throw up. I am really bad at

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Speaker 3: No, I uh, I don't disagree.

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Speaker 2: I for some reason, when I'm focused on other things,

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Speaker 3: As opposed to just you're going on a ride. We're

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Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that if they keep in

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Speaker 1: Really, it's like physically well.

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Speaker 2: The one they did last year was you literally you're

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Speaker 1: At this point too. Also, having a shield is not

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Speaker 1: or whoever, you know, that extra vote that's more important

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think it's also though, if you're a trader,

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Speaker 2: they wanted it just so they had carte blanche with

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Speaker 2: whoever they It's like, we can kill anybody we want to.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to.

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Speaker 2: You know, if Natalie got the shield and Natalie was

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the the dagger I think was important.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like the game at this point is more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is there Oh yeah there is. I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: Really I do.

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Speaker 3: Wait, do I have to be friend of volleyball? Anyway?

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Speaker 3: Someone has to do it? We'll see you there.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're gonna run, they spin for a bunch, then

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that one point when who is at Eric

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Speaker 1: I love that little detailed What did they do, like

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Speaker 2: Get to be the last I didn't put that together,

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Speaker 3: Right, that's different.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way. It's a competition, though, Like there

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Speaker 1: That's why I was like, Rob did why are you

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Speaker 1: little weird, Yeah, and like kind of harshly. Yeah, So

439
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: this is you know, he's talked about being more emotionally

440
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: in control before and like how and he's demonstrated that

441
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: very well.

442
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 3: So you think it was real or do you think

443
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: he was acting.

444
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: Too?

445
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: I think it felt more like because then he was like,

446
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you, I'm not mad at you,

447
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 1: and he realized but he was still very emotional, So

448
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: I think it was just an emotional like breakdown of

449
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the pressure that he talked about in

450
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: the beginning of the episode, that feeling of like having

451
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: to lie so much. I think it probably, you know, yeah,

452
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: drove him crazy.

453
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: Maybe, how again, it was probably three days ago, but

454
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 2: I feel like Lisa Renna hasn't been in there for

455
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: nine months mm hmm. And so, because I was thinking

456
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: about one of the things that they said in the

457
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: car back, Natalie was like, Rob's acting seemed really bad

458
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: today and that maybe take a Lisa.

459
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 3: We were both like, God, that wasn't That wasn't a

460
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 3: great beat that you just had there. That wasn't a

461
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: good moment.

462
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: But he's not an actor, right, And frankly, I didn't

463
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: think it was that bad.

464
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: No, I actually believed it. I thought I was like, dude,

465
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: hold on in your emotions in check like it seemed real.

466
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 2: I felt the same way I thought he was getting.

467
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: I think I think what he said in the beginning

468
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: of the entire episode is absolutely true where I think

469
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: the whole thing is just getting to him. I think

470
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 2: it's got to be a whole different kind of pressure

471
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: when you're a trader. I think you're probably shooting more

472
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: stuff you're you know, got to be thinking ten moves ahead.

473
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a lot more mentally exhausting than

474
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: being a faithful is totally and he's been there the

475
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: whole time, and he's probably starting to lose it a

476
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: little bit. Also, the one who was calling him out

477
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: for being a bad actor, Natalie was the worst liar

478
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Remember her trying to lie to.

479
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: Keep the dagger.

480
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.

481
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: It's just like licking your lips and not able to

482
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: make eye particular dude. So yeah, she doesn't know from line.

483
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's obviously.

484
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's a very straightforward person, which I think is

485
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I like her and why

486
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking she would be better at this than

487
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: she is. But exactly like she says when she leaves,

488
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: I think it comes across as somewhat aggressive and people

489
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: don't you know.

490
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, not to be this guy, but that same

491
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: attitude in the man, most people are like, man, that's

492
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: just somebody.

493
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 3: Going for what they want.

494
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: Totally good for you, Good for you, that's that's that's

495
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: drive right there. A woman You're sorry, she's got a

496
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: chip on it. Yeah, exactly exactly what bit like, Okay,

497
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: yeah she's bossy.

498
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, how about just a boss.

499
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also especially in that last dress when she

500
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: walked in, she's.

501
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: She's ripped, ripped.

502
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: I mean she's good crush men.

503
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean she is really good shape.

504
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: And that's like a new development, like because when I

505
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: when she I don't remember her being that bad. I

506
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: mean she was always athletic, right, like like compared to

507
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: like when she was on Amazing Race or whatever survivor

508
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, Like I don't remember

509
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: her arms. She's working, she even says, she says something

510
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: about like I work really hard at being strong. And

511
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: I was like in a lot of senses of that. Ye,

512
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: like not just not just you're you're talking about emotionally,

513
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: but you're also like I just can't take my eyes

514
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: off your arms.

515
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like, god, geez, look at that.

516
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

517
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I mean she's basically like a bodybuilder.

518
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: You know, she's got that kind of like she's clearly.

519
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: Has that kind of bodybuilding physique.

520
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

521
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So then Rob is removed. He's pissed at Mark,

522
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: which is a weird reaction. The next round, Natalie helps

523
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: Moira even though she's got money, and I thought this

524
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: was a really good move. This was like the kind

525
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: of thing that I wanted Natalie to be doing from

526
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: the beginning of this game. She's like, I got to

527
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: get in Moira's good graces to convince her that Rob

528
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: is the guy because I know that she's win with Rob.

529
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: It's like, really smart. She should have been doing that

530
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: days ago, because she hasn't called, you know, because obviously

531
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Moira's falls for whoever treats her nice or takes care

532
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: of her, which is exactly why she's falling for Rob.

533
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: She's not seeing it for what it is. So yes,

534
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: Natalie should have been doing this, but at least she

535
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: makes the effort. Johnny doesn't make it that second round,

536
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: he's out. Then Moira joking, you're joking.

537
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm so good at this game. She was so happy.

538
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: One and then Mark is out. So the last ring,

539
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: there's two seats removed, or it is not even the

540
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: last one yet, I don't think, so Natalie and tear

541
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: her out, and then Moira and Eric come down to

542
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: the final and she says she's gonna get that shield

543
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: if it's the last thing she does. Last thing I do,

544
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: but Eric wins Man traders just killing it, killing it,

545
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: killing it. In the car ride back, Natalie breaks down

546
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: the strategy in terms of numbers, and this was very smart. Yep.

547
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: She's like, Rob has the dagger. Rob and Lawyer are

548
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: voting together. They're gonna vote for At this point, she's

549
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: saying me, right, she knows, and we need to get

550
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Rob and we all need to stick together. Now, this

551
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: is a perfect argument. It seems like Tara and Johnny

552
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: are with her.

553
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: Oh, with her. They instigated the whole thing at the beginning.

554
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting at this point, I'm like, Okay, it's

555
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: a real round table, Like this is gonna be really tough. Yep.

556
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: So what is it like? I mean, it doesn't like

557
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: is Tara just such a whimp when it comes to confrontation. Yes,

558
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: it is right, but that doesn't make sense for Johnny,

559
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: Like Johnny doesn't seem like a pushover. Like Johnny seems

560
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: like the type of.

561
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Guy who just tell you to your face, like I

562
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: disagree with you or I think you're a trader. But

563
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: he caves too. It's so weird to me that they

564
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: all pounce on Natalie. I guess the only reason that

565
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: I think it would work is because because, as they said,

566
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: or as Rob said later, Natalie played the round table

567
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: wrong and came off looking really guilty.

568
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: Just because she was so aggressive.

569
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, or they cut something because again I

570
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: didn't think she played it terribly, but she got She

571
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: did get instantly pissed when Tara was like, she was like,

572
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: all I need you to do is to back me

573
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 2: up for your theory. Yes, Like I'll flow your theory

574
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: that we've talked about all day and then just stick

575
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: with your theory.

576
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: Yes.

577
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: And she doesn't even stick with her own theory. It

578
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: says like where did that come from?

579
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: So I guess maybe if Natalie hadn't been as as

580
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: confrontational and maybe a little more like, hey, Tara, remember

581
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: the conversation we had, Yeah, like I need you to

582
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: help me here. Yeah, Like this is not about like

583
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: we had a call, you know, like she could have

584
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: been maybe a little less like you are turning on me.

585
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: And I don't like it.

586
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: Because that really didn't work shuts her down and shut

587
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: it down, which is so strange because professional figure skaters

588
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: I know a little bit of this world. These are

589
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: super competitive, like amazingly driven people that are doing two

590
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: and three days from their time they're four, and it's

591
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: like they have one drive and one thing. So the

592
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: idea that she's like kind of this wilting flower is

593
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: a little strange to me.

594
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: That socially right.

595
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, I guess.

596
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: So there is a psychological torture element to this entire case.

597
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: Oh god, there is, do you know what I mean?

598
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: Like that's like watching I mean, that's because that's what's

599
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: happening to Rob this episode. I mean they have been

600
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: there for what eight nine days at this point, Like

601
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: that's gotta suck, man. When you start to feel like

602
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: you can't trust anybody.

603
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: In a paranoia prison for nine days.

604
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you're it's a paranoid house of mirrors, that's

605
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: all it is. Yeah, Oh my god, I would I

606
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean she says it at the end

607
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: of this episode where she's just like just murder me.

608
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

609
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can take this anymore. I

610
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: think that would be me on dato.

611
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: See.

612
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: I mean, even if I wasn't a trader, if I

613
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: made it this far, I would be like, you know, yeah,

614
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: because you got a kind of some somewhat take it

615
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: as a compliment if people vote you out, you know, yeah,

616
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: like Natalie should take it as a compliment. But I

617
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: do actually have to say though, if you know what

618
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: we were talking about Eric in the severe anxiety and

619
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: again dealing with anxiety. However, the pressure, the psychological pressure

620
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: of dealing with anxiety and being in that environment, and

621
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: him going from faithful first to now being a trader

622
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: and dealing with that as a mental illness.

623
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: That's pretty impressive. Yep, because I get why you just

624
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: shut down. I get why he's quiet around the table,

625
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: because it's like.

626
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Well, just let Rob do his think, because Rob is

627
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: going so doing so well. Yes, I mean like in

628
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: some ways, Eric's worst nightmare would been that Rob gets killed,

629
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: because then he would be alone as a and he

630
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: would be horrible.

631
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I mean. So it's God, yeah, it's

632
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: this is.

633
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: This is such so interesting? All right. Well, then Tara

634
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: and Natalie talked to Mark back at the house. They

635
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: talk about Rob's bad acting, which I didn't really think

636
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: was bad acting. That doesn't seem like you did either,

637
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: But I agree they're right. They're on the money to

638
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: start talking about Rob then Johnny talks to Eric just

639
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: so nervous it's hysterical. And then this moment with Rob

640
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: and Moira happens, which I could not believe she did

641
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: not notice it. He's literally saying to her, we got

642
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to get Natalie out, and then Johnny and Tara, which

643
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: is pure trader talk, like it's a pure He's treated

644
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: her as if she's Eric, like that she's part of

645
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: the team of how they have to vote people out.

646
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: And he's not saying because they're a trader.

647
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: He's just literally saying, we got to get him out

648
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: or her out, and then him and it was like.

649
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: And she just kind of like okay, Rob.

650
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: And the best part is he walks away behind her

651
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: holding a knife he just ate with and he's like, yes,

652
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Chicken was good.

653
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: It was just like the greatest.

654
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: He's like, you're with me, You're gonna do this and

655
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna get rid of him and her and then

656
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: I'll see you later.

657
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Okay, keep it between us.

658
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: Chicken chicken whis It's just like, Wow, this guy's insane.

659
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be swimming with the fishes.

660
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing suspicious.

661
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, she's just in his camp like she's

662
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: just taking her.

663
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: They talk and I was like, yeah, we can't get

664
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: rid of her. She's perfect, she's too just following everything. Yeah, yes,

665
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: oh man, she's gonna feel so dumb when she I

666
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: would love if she's in fact the secret genius and

667
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: at the end she calls out the one trader and

668
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: takes all the money and walks like, I will be out.

669
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, it would be amazing.

670
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: She's been just doing this the entire time. She's the

671
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: best player in the history of the show.

672
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: No, oh god, that's the case.

673
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: This moment, though, it blew my mind. I was like, Rob,

674
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: I thought he would had overplayed it. I thought she

675
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: was literally going to be like that was weird me.

676
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: But instead she.

677
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Just like shows up at the route. Well, can't be Rob, Yeah,

678
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: couldn't be me, Rob.

679
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: It's true. It's like he lived.

680
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: You're right, there was no there was no ambiguity in

681
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: the conversation he was having. He wasn't trying to like

682
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: layer it into a conversation. Here's what we're gonna do.

683
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: Where's what we're gonna do. We're gonna vote this person

684
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna kill this person. And get him

685
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: out of here.

686
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: She's okay, all right. So the round table, Tara starts

687
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: off talking about how she can't trust herself, which I

688
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: thought was going to lead to and but I'm going

689
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: to say it's Rob. It didn't you know? And it didn't.

690
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: It Literally the entire her entire conversation started with I'm

691
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: bad at this game. I'm going to start though by

692
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: saying I don't want to put anybody up.

693
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: And then she sat back and it's like, then.

694
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Why did you talk let somebody else stalk and let

695
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: somebody else start.

696
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: I know it was so she didn't back up her

697
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: own theory.

698
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: She started the day saying, I've slept on it. It's

699
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: not Natalie.

700
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: Then spent the whole day colluding with Natalie coming to

701
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: the listening to somebody like her make the conclusion that

702
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: it's Rob and give real numbers reasons why they should

703
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: stick together, and then just lets all of that go.

704
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 2: It made no sense to vote on the person that

705
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: literally the first conversation of the day was her going,

706
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: I got to.

707
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: Tell her that it wasn't her.

708
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any

709
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: sense the way she's playing.

710
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: So then Rob is able to bring up Natalie. Natalie

711
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: brings this whole like you shifted Rob the last couple

712
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: of days, which is interesting, and then she brings up

713
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: the canvas vote for Rob, which is, you know, not

714
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: amazing evidence, but it's something you know, And she also

715
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: knows that they're going to vote for her, so she's

716
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: pretty desperate in this scenario, and she you know, she

717
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: is a faithful so she's coming from the right place. See,

718
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: I think I think think it's much better evidence then

719
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: you would think, because that Candice voted for real.

720
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because if they think, especially if you're a

721
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: housewife and you want to get like, oh, if I'm

722
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: going down, I'm taking you with me.

723
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: And she voted. She it turns out to Cheee the

724
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: Trader and she votes.

725
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: Threw out his name twice to me, that is the

726
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: breadcrumb that you need.

727
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: And everybody talked about it. They're like, yeah, that's legit,

728
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: that's a legit thing.

729
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: And then everyone went, man, we're not gonna I forget it.

730
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: It's true, weird, it's tru can't be Rob. So then

731
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: Tara Natalie start to go at it, which I was

732
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: really bummed out for both of them, and I was like,

733
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: this is going to suck for them to watch back. Yeah,

734
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: and realized that they were being used perfectly. H and

735
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Tara especially like I just couldn't you know. And we

736
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: see the dagger, like, are we going to use the dagger?

737
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Rob raises his hand. Obviously he's going to use the dagger. Yeah.

738
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: Natalie votes Tara, which was kind of a bummer. I

739
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: was like, why are you voting Rob? Like you made

740
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: all these arguments and now you're just voting emotionally personal.

741
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's personally now, it's just not smart.

742
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Nope.

743
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: Then Rob and Mark vote for Natalie because Mark is

744
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: just following Rob looking for friends.

745
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: Right.

746
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: Terror votes Natalie, I guess because she's changed her mind

747
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: completely since what she started with this morning. Maria votes

748
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: Natalie and that's when she's officially banished. But then Eric

749
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: also votes Natalie. Not no surprise there. And then Natalie

750
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: has this moment with Johnny, which I thought was intense,

751
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: but Johnny's.

752
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Like, you know, she like, don't say I'm sorry, don't

753
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: say you're sorry, don't say you're sorry.

754
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: Just vote for me.

755
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to hear I don't hear it,

756
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: Like Wow, Well again, you you would have to I

757
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: have to imagine, as a faithful you would have to

758
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: walk away from the conversation you had had all day

759
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: in the car, everything walk away going okay, So one

760
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: of them has to be a trader, because all day

761
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: long they were on my side. They threw this out there,

762
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: it was their theory, they knew what they were doing,

763
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: and then last second they turned on me, left me

764
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: out to dry.

765
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: Has to be either Terror or Johnny. I mean, how

766
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: how could you walk away with any other conclusion. I

767
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: mean you literally talk to them all day. It's Rob.

768
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: It's Rob. It's Rob, and they're the ones tring on you.

769
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: The second you sit down, they turn on you.

770
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: That's a good point, actually, So Natalie voting for Terror

771
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: makes sense in that way. So she should have made

772
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: a last minute please she should have said, you know,

773
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: I came in here ready to vote for Rob, but

774
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: based on that Tara turning on me, we should all

775
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: be voting for Terror because that's crazy that she's flipped

776
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: on a dime this much. Yeah, that would have been

777
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: a better argument.

778
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is your whole your whole day, this has

779
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: been your theory. You started the day by coming to

780
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: me and saying I slept on it. I know it's

781
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: not you, right, And then you spent the entire day

782
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: convin it was Rob and strategizing with how we're going

783
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: to do it. I then start the strategy at the

784
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: table and say it's Rob and the first thing you do.

785
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: Is stab me in the back. Trader, you have to

786
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 3: be Yeah, you know you'd be wrong, but at least

787
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: you'd have a legitimate reason to say it.

788
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing. They're already so screwed, all right.

789
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: So then Tara's bawling saying she's a fool, which, yeah,

790
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: he's not a.

791
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: Good Okay, just murder me.

792
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: Anyway. Who do you think so far has been the

793
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: worst player?

794
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: I mean Mark and Tara. I think like everybody, all

795
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: the people left, literally everybody left is a bad player.

796
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Like you were you you said it earlier. It's so

797
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: you're so right, Like they have played. The Traders have

798
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: done such a good job of eliminating the good players.

799
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yes they have. They took everyone away.

800
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: Because I mean the chance they took a chance by

801
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: getting rid of Christian, who was a good player. The

802
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: risk there was that she had done the good player

803
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: thing of telling everybody if I die, it's Eric and

804
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: Mark did not pick up that thread because he's not

805
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: a good player. It's like they're just bad. It's so sad,

806
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: all right, Well, they don't deserve any of this freaking money.

807
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: They all deserve to die.

808
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: You don't deserve the seventy eight and forty two.

809
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: Dollars you're gonna wait that you got from a teddy bear?

810
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: Got from a teddy bear?

811
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: What you got from a wax smelling teddy bear. I

812
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: love this moment where Rob and Mark lay on the

813
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: pool table and they talk about you know, it's just like,

814
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: is this this where I was like, Mark, you fool?

815
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: But this is where Rob's a genius.

816
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, is because the one thing that I've noticed he

817
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: does amazingly well is he keeps his mouth shut. He

818
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: lets somebody else come to him and say something, and

819
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: then a lot of the time he agrees with them, Yep,

820
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: just agrees where he's even where she even Mark was

821
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: like it can't be terror, and He's like, no, I

822
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: don't think it's terror either, Like.

823
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: And then Mark brings up Eric, and you know, and

824
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: Rob sort of lets that sit a little bit because

825
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: he's smart.

826
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: H oh.

827
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: It's so delicious.

828
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: It has to be fattening because I know it's coming,

829
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 2: and it's just it's great.

830
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 3: It's great.

831
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: In the turret, Rob calls out Eric for not talking.

832
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, that's not good.

833
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't talk at all, Like you gotta do

834
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: a little. Oh. I love it.

835
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: I love it.

836
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: I want more scenes of them just being the the

837
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: trying to tell the little brother, like what the hell

838
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: did you do? Like, so then Alan comes in and

839
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: tells him they have to do a murder that night

840
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: in front of everybody. We get this, you know, level

841
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: of anxiety from them about that because they're gonna have

842
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: to act, which I love. The producers are just putting

843
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: the screws to Eric. Basically, they're just like, can you

844
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: can you do this? Like, let's let's put him in

845
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: the most uncomfortable situation.

846
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: Like looking right. Alan's like looking right at him, going like,

847
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: because it.

848
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: Would be a shame to blow it now, I don't

849
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: reveal your feelings.

850
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: Eric, I'm totally natural.

851
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So then everybody gets called outside in

852
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the night or close and when it's

853
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: dark out I guess because they're sleeping in hotels apparently.

854
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: Oh and they get to witness a coffin and somebody's

855
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: gonna get murdered. Now you have your theory, you think it's.

856
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: I think it's Moura. Really yeah.

857
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: I think the way Rob said it to where he

858
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: was like, I don't want to do this, I think

859
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: he legitimately likes her when he said rip at the end.

860
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: I think he definitely doesn't want to get rid of her.

861
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: But I think she kind of makes the most sense.

862
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: Right Why though, because she's completely in the bag for him,

863
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: So she would never at the end moments turn on him,

864
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: because don't they have to at the end like decide,

865
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: like you want people that are one hundred percent believing

866
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: you're faithful, right, Like, that's what you want to go

867
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: to the end with, even when you're a trader, especially

868
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: when you're trader. So for him, he should be looking

869
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: at Mark and Moira as his rider die at this.

870
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: Point, I think people think Johnny and Tara could be

871
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: trader trader exactly.

872
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: So oh so if you kill.

873
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: One of them, then maybe they're not, you know what

874
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Like keep them there is but oh right,

875
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: because they can still banish one more person, right, right,

876
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: So if you kill Moira or Mark, it makes Tara yeah,

877
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: and then you could sell the especial.

878
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

879
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: This is why you don't know who to pick or

880
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: the other thing you do is see my guess is

881
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: if you killed.

882
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: Tara saying yes, yes, then you could still make it

883
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: look like Johnny.

884
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: But Johnny would never Johnny has said she's my rider

885
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: or I'd never do that, so do you. If you

886
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: believe Johnny, then he's automatically taking It's so difficult to

887
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: pick who to do. I also wondered, and this is

888
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: where we got to talk to somebody who knows all

889
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: the rules, because I wondered, if could you make a

890
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: deal with your fellow trader. Could Eric look to Rob

891
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: and say, look, I'm a liability. If you promise to

892
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: split the money with me, let's kill me, right, And

893
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: so if I die, you're the last trader.

894
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: It takes the onus off of it.

895
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: You can never split the money. No, I can't be

896
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: on the rules because then you'd be outside of the

897
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: game if you if you get killed or banished, you're

898
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: you lose your out right to it. Yeah, you can't

899
00:40:59,040 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: make sense.

900
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: Can possibly I'd be looking for all the loopholes I know.

901
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: But the weirder one is the the what happened earlier

902
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: with Colton and Lisa, right, because that was a weirder situation,

903
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: Like how would that have played out if she had

904
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: agreed to it, because then he would have been on

905
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: the faithful side, helping the traders secretly. That seems like

906
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: it would be allowed by the rules.

907
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: But I think the rule says that the oath you

908
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: take is the trader is you're not allowed to tell

909
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: anybody except your favor that you're a trader. And she

910
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: would have to tell Colton. But again, is that like

911
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: an oath? Or are those rules okay? So if I

912
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 2: were Rob right now, I would never let them murder.

913
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: I would never let Eric murder my rider dies Moira

914
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: or so if I'm Rob, who I think is thinking

915
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: the most ahead, He's he knows that if he murders

916
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Johnny or Tara that he can that they can he

917
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: can turn the other two against Eric if he has

918
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: to do. You know what I'm saying, Like there's still

919
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: the potential people voting for Eric and Rob getting away

920
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: with it, like they're not gonna turn on him.

921
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: Which one so, which one of them has said Eric's

922
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: name Tara or Johnny, because what could be interesting is

923
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: then you.

924
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Know Marcus, Marcus said it. That's the thing. You keep

925
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: Mark around, and you keep because she'll vote with you,

926
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: with you. So what you do is you kill Terror.

927
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: I would say, you kill Tara, and you try and

928
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: pin it on Johnny and if that doesn't work, you

929
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: point the finger Eric.

930
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Eric gets kicked out and he doesn't

931
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: get to say I'm a trader because you don't get

932
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: to say what you are exactly.

933
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: So that's a good call because I.

934
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Think and if I were Eric, I would be I

935
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: would be gunning for Mark or Moiro because you know

936
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: I would be gunning mostly for Mark, assuming that that

937
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: Rob told him that Mark said his name, and and

938
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: you know that Mark is the one who Kristen said

939
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: to the night before, so get rid of him, even

940
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: though he didn't bring it up all days Mark and

941
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: also just cut Rob's support out.

942
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna kill Terror Johnny.

943
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's already been proven that can obviously be made

944
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: to vote however you kind of want or you want

945
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: her to.

946
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: So I'd killed Johnny.

947
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: Really Tara around, but nobody was gonna believe that Tara

948
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: did it, So you're really opening yourself up to being.

949
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Well then where you point to finger at Eric, right,

950
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: and then you're the last trader standing.

951
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: But see, I think there's a more there's a more

952
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: plausible version. Like I think most Mark and Moira would

953
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: more easily believe that Johnny killed Tara than the other

954
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: way around. So I say, you kill Tara, and then

955
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: you're able to say Johnny did it. He was lying

956
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: to her the whole time. Johnny has to defend himself.

957
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: And then you say, and if they're not buying that,

958
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: then you pivot to Eric. That's what That's what I

959
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: would do. Let's see. Interesting, I finally have a strategy.

960
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: I feel like it only took all ten episodes before

961
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: I had an opinion about any of it.

962
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: If I was if I was rob though, I would

963
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: reverse that because I'd want them to. I would kill

964
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: one Johnny. I would get in Tara's ears saying it

965
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: was Eric. I would have everybody pointing at Eric. I

966
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: then banish Eric, and then I'm the last trader standing.

967
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: It's a great call.

968
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: If that's what he does, he deserves.

969
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: The problem is they can't they can't know if they

970
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: were right about banishing Eric. Right, that's tricky.

971
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: Exactly, it's so weird.

972
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: That's tricky.

973
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: That's his goal though, that that's the goal.

974
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, well let's wrap this up, shall we.

975
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think to wrap it up. You know that

976
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm an expert on famous history. Yeah, I mean, it's

977
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: basically it's kind of it was my pH D one

978
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: of them, and with this is a segment that we call.

979
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: Them trade real.

980
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: So so we're having a song kind of Nickel Becky

981
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: or hey wait, it's not getting insulted.

982
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: So thing it's a hole I wanna be a.

983
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: Pro jam.

984
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: Exactly.

985
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: We've got a modern day one here, and one that

986
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: was considered very dangerous. His name is Robert Hanson, and

987
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: he remains one of the most dangerous and skilled traders

988
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: in American espionage history.

989
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: Robert Hanson fooled.

990
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: The FBI for over two decades while spying for Soviet

991
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: and Russian intelligence. His betrayal caused extraordinary damage to national security.

992
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: He was caught in two thousand and one and received

993
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: life without parole.

994
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: Wow, so he's still in prison.

995
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: He is still in prison. I think he might even

996
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: be in Florence super Max, like the one where all

997
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: the baddies go wow, which is uh yeah, so not

998
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: a good guy.

999
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: All right.

1000
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: Well, that's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirld.

1001
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again we're left

1002
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: with the cliffhanger. Join us next time, as we conclude,

1003
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: is the next one? The last episode, as we conclude

1004
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: our journey through season four of Traders, a show in which,

1005
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: as Shakespeare said in his Scottish play fair as foul

1006
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: and foul is fair.

1007
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: Pearl here

1008
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: H