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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 1: And then and tie Den Rubinstein? Yeah, talk Big twelve?

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Speaker 1: Shall you want to talk Big twelve today? I would

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Speaker 1: love to talk Big twelve. This is part one of

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Speaker 1: three Big twelve preview episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, correct, correct, Yeah, So this is the episode on which,

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Speaker 2: if if everything goes according to plan, that we will

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Speaker 2: maybe break the conference into tears, maybe give some big

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Speaker 2: picture thoughts on where the conference stands regionally, nationally, reputationally,

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Speaker 2: if that's a word, that's where I think we're going. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that is the way that we are building our previous

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Each of the Power conferences gets three episodes, three

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Speaker 1: dedica episodes. The first is tiers and emerging storylines and

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture stuff that you mentioned, and then parts

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Speaker 1: two and three are going to be individual team previews.

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Speaker 1: You can go back and listen to the three part

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Speaker 1: the season. Some people are coming back now into the fold.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of folks who kind of take

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Speaker 2: Com, I'm sitting on YouTube watching videos on how to

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Speaker 2: play defense. That's what I do as a washed father

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Speaker 2: of two. I'm like, wait a minute, okay, so this

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Speaker 2: I'm like taking notes on with a quill on like parchments. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's that's who I am. Now, I've really enjoyed this

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Speaker 2: previous season thus far. We are looking with a through

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Speaker 2: the lens of danger right right, here's and you know,

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Speaker 2: when we look at those teams on parts two and

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Speaker 2: three individually, it's who are they a danger to? What

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Speaker 2: We're like the uh like the Dead reckoning, the Mission impossible,

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Speaker 2: good stuff. We got to do parts one and two,

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Speaker 1: Well. It's interesting that you bring up Mission Impossible because

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Speaker 2: So it's mission impossible Brett reckoning instead of dead reckoning.

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Speaker 2: I'm terrible. Okay, where so let's just talk Big twelve. Right.

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Speaker 2: You lose two huge teams and you add four new teams.

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Speaker 2: This is where we are as a college football community.

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Speaker 1: So the big story is Texas and Oklahoma leaving go

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Speaker 2: Is that a good thing for the Big Twelve? Like,

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Speaker 2: went on a walk and Spotify served me sublime and

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Speaker 2: When you're from southern California. You get indoctrinated. K rock

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Speaker 2: I love these songs. There's a different feel. And I

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Speaker 2: TCU is the only current Big twelve team to go

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Speaker 2: quality there, and there's a history non Texas Lahoma.

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Speaker 1: And Texas right and Texas lash. No.

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Speaker 2: No, well Texas isn't in the conference not anymore, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So my point is more, how will we view this

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Speaker 2: without you know, the familiarity of like, yeah, I gotta

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Speaker 2: By the way, Full Circle Sublime self titled album recorded

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Speaker 2: in Austin, Texas beautiful. The state with the most pot

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Speaker 2: together with Sublime anyway. That's what I wonder about that

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Speaker 1: We're familiar with those teams. But what I think is

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Speaker 1: The Big Twelve has been bolted together by Brett yor

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Speaker 1: You know, Brett or Mark. We could talk about some

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Speaker 1: But I think because there isn't that big time Texas

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Speaker 1: And I mean that not in a derogatory way, but

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Speaker 2: Even just like team position groupings, right like TCU and

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm going to mention and that

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, all of his ideas are not good.

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Speaker 1: It's not to say the Big Twelve isn't doing it.

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Speaker 1: You know he wants more teams, right, I want that guy,

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Speaker 2: eyes and cross all the t's and everything like that.

433
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Speaker 2: And you know, who knows if it's a great long

434
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: term decision to sort of accept that outside money because

435
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: you know, obviously the calls are going to come in

436
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 2: in a couple of years, in a few years to

437
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: show what the return is. But I think they're being

438
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: extremely proactive. What the Big twelve needs is big coaching personalities,

439
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: big money behind the scenes, teams winning on a big level,

440
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: beating huge programs elsewhere, and hopefully a conference deep in

441
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: recognizable quarterback excellence that always goes a long way. I

442
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 2: don't think they're there right now on any of the

443
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: fronts besides having Mike Gundy and Dion Sanders. But I'm

444
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: willing to be open to the fact that this is

445
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: a conference that can grow into something that it's not currently.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your power tiers for this conference.

447
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: I have broken these teams up into five tiers. I

448
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: don't know where you stand, but I labeled them as

449
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: my contender tier. The teams I could talk myself into,

450
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: the three teams that I have again labeled as spicy

451
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: chicken sandwiches okay, teams with upset potential, and then three

452
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: teams at the bottom that I've just labeled hard pass okay.

453
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: What I found notable about this grouping of teams talking

454
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Speaker 1: about sixteen teams now in the conference, like I could

455
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: find real reasons for optimism for all of them. They're

456
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: not all going to contend. There are grouping of teams

457
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: that I don't think are even going to contend for upsets, right,

458
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: But there are reasons for optimism with all these teams,

459
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: and we try to focus on that here. We will

460
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Speaker 1: obviously be as honest as we can about all these

461
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: schools to the best of our ability, but I think

462
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: there are real reasons for optims across the board. And

463
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: again to the point of it's an underdog conference for

464
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: reasons that maybe the structure of the sport has dictated. Right,

465
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: having feel good stories that we can get behind makes

466
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: it very, very watchable. Again one of my point of

467
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: being the most interesting conference in America in twenty twenty four.

468
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I think you're dead on there that, like

469
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: you can understand why there are doubts about all of

470
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: these teams, right that like, oh they haven't recruited, Well,

471
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: oh they're not especially deep. Oh they're running back the

472
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: same quarterback or the same coordinator or something else. But

473
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Speaker 2: big picture, I think the teams that needed to point

474
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Speaker 2: what the bow, what's the front of the boat tie?

475
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Speaker 1: I think it's rnd of out. It's about pointing the.

476
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: Bow in the right direction. Is the first move to

477
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: you know, sailing somewhere. That things are being pointed in

478
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: the correct direction at places that need it, that that

479
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: programs are being proactive about transfers or new hires or

480
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: rethinking schemes. Like it's not a situation where I don't

481
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: think any of these teams are bringing back the head

482
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: coach's son to run the offense right right, that you're

483
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: just like you. I don't think there's a single team

484
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: in this conference where a fan base thinks I can't

485
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: believe that it's so obvious that they're going to try

486
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: to do this same thing all over again and hope

487
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: for different results that Dave Randa said, Nope, this is

488
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: not working. We need to overhaul the way we are

489
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: thinking about this. Or if it's a team that succeeded

490
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: like Oklahoma State that hopefully Oklahoma State fans and you know,

491
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: we did an Oklahoma State show a couple months ago,

492
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: they were just like, Okay, they've changed things around on defense,

493
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: they hired a new coordinator, and yes, they made the

494
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: Big Twelve championship game, but you know, they knew that

495
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen continually if things kept going

496
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: the way that it was on defense. And there is

497
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Speaker 2: a lot to like about the Oklahoma State defense, which

498
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Speaker 2: you were going to talk about on number two or

499
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: three in this series. But I think that's right. I

500
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: think you're right that there's enough proactivity in this conference

501
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: to think like, Okay, they might not be this, but

502
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: I understand what they're going for.

503
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Speaker 1: Who are your bottom tier teams in the Big twelve?

504
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Speaker 2: Okay, so right now my bottom tier and I have

505
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Speaker 2: this as a focus on you. Don't worry about, you know,

506
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: winning nine ten games. Let's just focus on you getting

507
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: to like a November conversation about Bowl eligibility. I have Cincinnati, Houston, ASU, BYU,

508
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: and Baylor maybe, Like I'm the more I think about Baylor,

509
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: the more I'm like, I don't know, I kind of

510
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: like skill talent, I kind of like this piece. I

511
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: kind of like that piece. I think David Randa is

512
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: going to do good things for this defense, and you know,

513
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: Dakwan Finn's a wild card. I would I would like

514
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Speaker 2: to bump them out of that bottom rung just because

515
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: there's enough proven talent and Dave Randon did win with

516
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: somebody else's players that I'd like to move them out

517
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Speaker 2: of there. Who do you have on the bottom rung? Well,

518
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Speaker 2: I've got.

519
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Speaker 1: BYU, ASU and Houston, Okay, and I can make the

520
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: case for moving both Cincy and Baylor upper rung to

521
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Speaker 1: whatever we want to call it, upset potential or something else,

522
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, but again to the point of optimism. Houston

523
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: hired a coach in Lillly Fritz that was well regarded.

524
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: He has been a proven program builder literally everywhere the

525
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: guy has been. It's just not going to have this year.

526
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: There are some interesting pieces, but it's just not going

527
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: to happen this year. It's going to take a little

528
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: bit of time for him to get in there and

529
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: do his thing. Even this year, I think you will

530
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: see strides forward, but it's going to be more of

531
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: a prolonged rebuild. If you're a Houston fan, you got

532
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: into the conference last year, you got a new coach

533
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: that I think everybody feels good about, familiar with the area,

534
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: you know his track record. Directionally, things are pointed in

535
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: a good direction. Arizona State, you could talk more to

536
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: Arizona State. The schedule this year is brutal. Nobody feels

537
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: real top that. Yep, okay, but interesting games on the

538
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: schedule you get to see what they're made of. I

539
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: think Kenny Dillingham is the right guy, at least from

540
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: a motivational standpoint. You know, he wants to be there

541
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: more than anybody else. And even so, with all of

542
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: their deficiencies a year ago and they were playing whoever

543
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: could at quarterback. They still played hard for the guy,

544
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: which I tend to think is a really important indicator.

545
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: But there's still in the bottom. They're still in the bottom. Okay,

546
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: three to nine last year. They might not be a

547
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: whole lot better this year. And BYU I mean I

548
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: will talk more about BYU on maybe part two or three.

549
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work that needs to be done

550
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: at BYU. But what remains, and what is sort of

551
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: almost impossible for me to get my head around, is

552
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: the unbridled optimism by everybody across the board for Kalani Sataki.

553
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Everybody wants everybody thinks the guy is a brilliant coach

554
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: and that he will figure it out. But again, it's

555
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: it's a step up. You know, maybe I should have

556
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: heeded this warning a little bit when I talked about

557
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: SMU and and how I was all in an SMU

558
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they're taking a step up. We

559
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: saw that a little bit last year, right with BYU

560
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and some of these teams that we're going to discuss

561
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: here over the next couple episodes. Sometimes there is a

562
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: speed bump. I think BYU saw it last year. They

563
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: need to get better with talent acquisition. But I think

564
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: they know that too. I don't think it's like blindsiding

565
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: anybody on that coaching staff. So focus on you. As

566
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Speaker 1: you said, I think those are my three in the bottom.

567
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Speaker 1: What do we want to call the next rung up?

568
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Speaker 2: So I have focus on you. Then I have wild

569
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: card as in like okay, any given week or maybe

570
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: they start you know, four and one and then fade

571
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: spectacularly something like that. And I have peaking in so

572
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're not invited to the prom, but

573
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: there you are, pressing your nose against you know, the

574
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: foggy So would that be?

575
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Speaker 1: So wildcard is basically your upset teams, which is what

576
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Speaker 1: I had.

577
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Upset teams or do one very specific thing very well,

578
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: but it's not enough to win nine games. But just

579
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: like man, if they're on with their pass rush, if

580
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: they're on airing the ball out, like, they'll just beat anybody.

581
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's wild card is the next rung up? Yeah?

582
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: I have five teams as wild cards.

583
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I have three.

584
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I have Cincinnati and Baylor. Okay, I have Texas Tech,

585
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I have TCU, and I have Colorado. Those are my

586
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: five teams, okay at that wildcard level. My next one

587
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: up bear in mind is what I'm calling spicy Chicken sandwiches,

588
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: which I would advise you do as well. I think

589
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: we should adopt that name because we both like the sandwich.

590
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: Here are my cases for both Cincy and Baylor not

591
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: being lower, but also not being higher. Baylor I think

592
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: is really interesting this year. The line play last year

593
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: was ghastly. It was horrible, but again, much like we

594
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: saw in David Randa's second year, he took the off season,

595
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: he made changes, and now we see a lot of

596
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: them this season. All right, I think we're going to

597
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: see a different offense that's more conducive to the personnel

598
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: on hand. To talk more about Jakes Babotoll as we

599
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: get into team previews. I also think that the addition

600
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Speaker 1: of to Kwan Finn from Toledo gives them a little

601
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: bit more poppet quarterback, and I think David Randa being

602
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: more hands on with the defense is something that could

603
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: help make that you definitely a lot better. So I'm

604
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: optimistic about Baylor. I'm optimistic about Cincinnati because for as

605
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: little as I think of Scott Saderfield, Scott Saderfield was

606
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: aggressive as hell this offseason and plugged a lot of

607
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: gaps via the transfer portal and made changes and seems

608
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: very self aware of what Cincinnati's issues were a year ago.

609
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: This is also a team, mind you, that did take

610
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: a jump up into a power conference, So perhaps I

611
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: underrated what that meant for a school like Cincinnati, despite

612
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: the fact that it had been very successful on the

613
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: group of five ranks for an eternity, right, and I

614
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: put more of that on Scott Sadderfield than I should have,

615
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: despite the fact there was like a big transition going.

616
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Speaker 2: On still in on SMU going undefeated in the ACC continue.

617
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: I didn't say they're gonna I said I could. I

618
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: could squint and you could squint, and.

619
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go down with that ship whatever. I don't

620
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: care about being right here. Yeah.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

622
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Speaker 1: The other three teams I have in that wild card

623
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Speaker 1: tier are Texas Tech. Honestly, of all these teams here

624
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Speaker 1: that I listed, of the five teams, Texas Tech's probably

625
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: the one that I feel worse about. Yeah, I have.

626
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: I think that's probably right. Yeah.

627
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: I have TCU in there because I think they'll be better.

628
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: I think there's reasonably that they'll be better. And then

629
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Speaker 1: I have Colorado. I like, is Colorado not ever the

630
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: wild card? Of course this year we know that they'll

631
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: be serviceable on offense, at least as a passing unit,

632
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: but we don't know yet if the line will be

633
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: much better. We like to think it will be.

634
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: But those are things related, by the way, They're very Yeah.

635
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: They're very related. You know, like Chador is very good,

636
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Chaudor is going to be a first round pick, but

637
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: like he is he going to have to scramble in

638
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: order to get his stats or will he have more

639
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: time to you know, work from the pocket. And we

640
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know about their defense. Like it's a lot of

641
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: assumption on the Colorado front that some things will get

642
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: better despite the fact that we've had a lot of transition.

643
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: And you know, TCU, I think another year kind of

644
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: in the system will help. But where where do you

645
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: stand with that grouping of teams? As like the next

646
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: rung up Colorado, TCU, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, and Baylor.

647
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: I have Colorado, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia in there. Actually, Okay,

648
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: so Baylor I would put in there as well, right,

649
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: I said, Baylor was in between my final rung and

650
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 2: this rung just because I don't know everybody is going

651
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: to have a super embarrassing year at some point in time,

652
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: maybe by their own standard, and that looks like seven

653
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: and five rather than two and ten or something. But

654
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to give Baylor a little bit of a

655
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: pass something they did struggle to do last year and

656
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: say that they can be on that third tier. I

657
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: have West Virginia there because I thought the Big Twelve

658
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: last year had a lot of opportunities for a competent

659
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: team to win a bunch of games without actually looking

660
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: really good, to have like a pretty good record without

661
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: often looking great, and West Virginia was dealing with quarterback injuries.

662
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: I think I want to see it more from West

663
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: Virginia this year, especially on offense. But West Virginia spans

664
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: two and three to me. But I have them three

665
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: there because I just don't fully see them being good

666
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: enough to peek in at a conference championship.

667
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: I've got West Virginia in my spicy Chicken Sandwich tier, Okay,

668
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: along with UCF and Kansas. West Virginia and I talked

669
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: about this a little bit on one of the episodes

670
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: that we did. I don't know, I forget what it

671
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: was exactly, but should.

672
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: Be able to run the ball. Yeah.

673
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've talked a lot about Utah joining

674
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: this conference as stylistically being very different from many of

675
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: the other teams, and how I thought some of the

676
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: defenses and the game planning might might have a problem

677
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: with that, with the way that other schools of the

678
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: programs in the Big Twelve were constructed. Yeah, And the

679
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: more I thought about it, West Virginia is not that

680
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: far off from that logic as well, because what did

681
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: they do last year? Last year it was like this

682
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: referendum on Neil Brown, and in effect, he doubled down

683
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: on the strength of his roster, which was running the

684
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: football and just playing smash mouth football. They found really

685
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: good quarterback in Garrett Green who was damn effective, and

686
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: they just built the whole plane out of trying to

687
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: beat your brains in and it worked in won nine games.

688
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: And so I think again, with another year kind of

689
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: under their belt, with him getting the contract extension, and

690
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: with them realizing that that plan can work, they're going

691
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: to do more of that. And I don't see a

692
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: whole lot of defenses around this conference again that are

693
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: really built to handle that style of offense. You know,

694
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: like maybe Penn State in Week one with their defense

695
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: can handle it and it's not as big a concern.

696
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: But I look around this like, certainly UCF can't deal

697
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: with that. I'm not certain. I'm not sure Kansas, I'm

698
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: not sure Colorado or TCU or any of those teams

699
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: in any of the rungs we discussed prior. I don't

700
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: think any of them can deal with that style, that

701
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: style of a rushing attack.

702
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: So that's all fair.

703
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you catch West Virginia at the wrong

704
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: time in your schedule, I could see them pulling an

705
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: upset just because of their style of play. That's why

706
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: I have them as the you know, aforementioned spicy chicken sandwich.

707
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, we're saying the same thing about West Virginia.

708
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: The opinion is just like whether they're winning that game

709
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: thirty to twenty seven or losing it right way they're

710
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: built to finish, whether they're built to win in different ways.

711
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: You mentioned the rushing attack, that is a very specific

712
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: way to win. But and Garret Green did near the

713
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: end of the year, like he had good games throwing

714
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: downfield or at least helping to generate big plays. But

715
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: also you look at their schedule last year and just like,

716
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: you lose to Oklahoma by forty, like how much do

717
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: I want to believe in you? You lose to was

718
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: Houston on the uh on the hail Mary, like you

719
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: barely beat Baylor. Like it's just there is something about

720
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: West Virginia's ear. Winning is always better than losing. Win

721
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: your clunkers, et cetera, et cetera. Win is a win,

722
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: but like, it didn't turn me into an enthusiastic believer,

723
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: at least not yet.

724
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I have UCF in Kansas in this tier as well. Okay,

725
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: UCF is the ultimate dilemma for me because the ted

726
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: roof thing it is. And you know this isn't a

727
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: UCF preview. Now we'll save that for part two. But

728
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: the dilemma for me with UCF is, I think the

729
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: offense is freaking loaded. I think they've got a really

730
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: good offense. I know they've got a good offensive coach

731
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: and Gus Malzan. I think we've come to expect a

732
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: standard now from a Malson system after he gets in

733
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: and gets comfortable. And maybe it took a little bit,

734
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: but they're pretty good a year ago, They're gonna be

735
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: even better now.

736
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

737
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Contrast that with the defense, which I think has a

738
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: lot of talent and a lot of potential, but I

739
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: have no faith in the guy running it. That's my

740
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: dilemma there. Maybe you could speak to the Kansas side

741
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: of things, Dan I more to the point, like we

742
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: trust Lance Leiphold. We trust that he knows what he's doing,

743
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: that he will continue to build that program in a

744
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: really significant way. But Jason Bean has gone this year.

745
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no being insurance policy there, right, Daniels And.

746
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Daniels, for as good as he is, is very

747
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: injury prone. And so my concern with Kansas is like

748
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: we know that they can score, we feel good about

749
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: like Devin Neil and like the other parts of that offense,

750
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: but defense has been something that they're building. They have improved,

751
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: but there's much more work to do. And I just

752
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: worry that now kind of in a more crowded Big twelve,

753
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: if they don't have kind of that fallback option at quarterback,

754
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: that we could be talking about Kansas like Week five,

755
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback or they're running the wildcat? Like that

756
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: to me, like Kansas is going to be spicy for

757
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: as long as Lancelie Poltz there. But I can't put

758
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: them higher with the injury concerns at quarterback.

759
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: But okay, yes, you're right, absolutely right. It was a

760
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: Cole Ballard two games last year. Correct, Yeah, that were

761
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: totally winnable. He wasn't amazing, but he was the third

762
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: string quarterback and that's okay, we forgive him. And if

763
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: we're having this conversation about Jason Bean beating, I think

764
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: it was Kansas late lost to It looks like Texas

765
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: Tech and Kansas State Sunshine showdown and lose by three

766
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech sixteen to thirteen. So if we're talking

767
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: about a ten to two Kansas largely with their backup quarterback,

768
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: I just think the conversation is a little bit different.

769
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: It's all fair to bring up that point. And I

770
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: actually have Kansas because I'm just going to choose my

771
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: life to live in this manner. I have Kansas as

772
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: a top tier contending type. Oh really in this moment, Yeah,

773
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: why do you feel that? Sh I think it's totally

774
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: fair to say everything about Jalen Daniels, and I still

775
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: have some questions about Jayleen Daniels, Like, I think he

776
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: can be an electric quarterback for Kansas, and I wouldn't.

777
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's injury prone as much as

778
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: he just had a terrible back last year, a terrible

779
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 2: back situation that like I'm sure he would have fought

780
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: through if he could have. It was just bad and

781
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: a bad back scares me. But I'm just going to

782
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: go into the season with the working under standing that

783
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: he's feeling better and if he's not, he's not right

784
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: that Like, it's fair to bring up so Kansas with

785
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: a now healthy Jalen Daniels, with the experience they have

786
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: on defense, with what should be a balanced offense, even

787
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: losing their coordinator to Penn State. There is just something

788
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: about being this far deep now into Lance Leipold's tenure,

789
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you know what, I'm just going

790
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: to roll with it. I think there were very clear

791
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: reasons to think that their record last year wasn't indicative

792
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: of their overall quality, and so I think if they're

793
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: growing from that with a coach we both think is

794
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: a high, high quality coach, then I just don't think

795
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: that puts them demonstrably behind anybody in this conference.

796
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's fair. By the way, Kansas is

797
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: plus nine to fifty to win the Big twelve, they're

798
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: behind Utah, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State. They're tied with UCF.

799
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's reasonable, right per DraftKings, Yeah, I

800
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: think it's reason why. I understand where you're coming from.

801
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit more leery about the injury

802
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: concerns about losing Andyktael Nikki and what kind of an

803
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: effect that might have on that system. But there is

804
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: some inherent trust that we have with Lancelipold. And to

805
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: your point, like when Jalen Daniels is healthy, is really good,

806
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: he might he could be like arguably the best quarterback

807
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: in the whole conference when he's healthy.

808
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, look at both Kansas ordered from Amazon. Some

809
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: run stoppers will be like a very cheap, ineffective Chinese

810
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: version of the transfer portal.

811
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: Time will tell, Time will tell. Okay, so then that

812
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: brings us up to our next tier. At least in

813
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: my book, I had five tiers. Again, these are the

814
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: teams I could talk myself into, and they're separate from

815
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: the contender tier. Okay, how did you structure yours? Do

816
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: you have two more as well, two more layers.

817
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: This is my peaking in, but not that the top tier. Yeah,

818
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: I have UCF, I have Iowa State, I have Arizona,

819
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: and I have I had Texas Tech. But I think

820
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: it's more West Virginia in that wild card peaking in

821
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: standing zone. Okay, So, and I mentioned TCU, that's in

822
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: my wild card. Continue. We didn't really talk to TCU,

823
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: but yeah, continue.

824
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: So I think we're of similar mind. You didn't mention

825
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: much about UCF.

826
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: No, and I like UCF a lot. UCF is in

827
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: that peaking in tier for me.

828
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I am really high in Iowa State this year. Okay,

829
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: I am super duper high on Iowa State this year.

830
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: I did not expect to be when I popped the

831
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: hood on this preview. But I think they're extremely easy

832
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: to overlook. It is not the sexiest program now, nor

833
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: has it ever been. They're just not really in the

834
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: news or been bigger headlines out there.

835
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. Paul Rhodes was very excited when they upset.

836
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: He was very all those years ago. He was sexy.

837
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: He was very excited.

838
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: For sure, they have to get more out of their

839
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: running game. They also lost Nathan Shielhouse to the NFL,

840
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: which we're all getting old. But Nathan Schielhouse, last year's

841
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, was really good. Yeah, there's a reason he

842
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: went to.

843
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: Take a huge step up from the disastrous place that

844
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: they occupied.

845
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, defensively, John Heacock has built up

846
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: a lot of goodwill we trust in that system. It

847
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: has confused many a Big twelve competitor for years now,

848
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: and I think the offense found something with Rockquebec a

849
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: year ago that is not something that comes along that often.

850
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: There is. I also think a really favorable situation for

851
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: them in spots on the schedule, which I'll talk more

852
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: about when I go through.

853
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: I think their schedule is pretty great. By the way,

854
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: everybody playing on the road at Kansas, which I think

855
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: is Iowa State is one of them. They're not playing

856
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: at Kansas, No, they're playing Kansas is playing their home

857
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: games in Kansas City, both at what Arrowhead and where

858
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: Sporting KC plays.

859
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So it's good or bad, it's different.

860
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: It's different. Yeah, it's different. So I November gets tricky

861
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: for Iowa State. The over under a seven and a

862
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: half because November is tricky. I think this team's gonna

863
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: be really freaking good. And if I were betting and

864
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: didn't want to pick one of the three teams that

865
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: I have in my contender tier, Iowa State would be

866
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: the play for me at ten to one.

867
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: Interesting, Why is that just combination of schedule, defense and

868
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: pretty good quarterback? Yeah, it's good enough. I agree. I

869
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: think I think that's good enough to put them into

870
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: contender tier. They're not in my contender too.

871
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: I have them kind of a.

872
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: Ring either, the same with me, but I think that's

873
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: good enough to like make the case why they should

874
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: be in ones contender too.

875
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could talk myself into Iowa State. And again,

876
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm not much for betting on conference champions. I think it's,

877
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a fool's errand but I if

878
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: I were betting in this conference, that would be my

879
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: play because I think the odds are there, and I

880
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: think the team is there. The schedule in you know,

881
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: you can kind of look at the schedule a couple

882
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: different ways, but I think for the most part it

883
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: works in their favor. And I like this team. I

884
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: think they're unheralded at this point the season in the preseason.

885
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the big thing is offensively, you know,

886
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: will they look a lot like what they did last year,

887
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: which is both good and bad. Right, They all of

888
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: a sudden found explosive plays but were inconsistent offensively. And

889
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: so is there are there new wrinkles to Iowa State

890
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: this year? Do new playmakers step up? And this isn't

891
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: the Iowa State specific deep dive, but yeah, they exclusively

892
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 2: they lost to I think Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas last year.

893
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: I know the Oklahoma one was Ohio.

894
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Don't forget Ohio.

895
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm talking within the conference. Yeah, you can lose to

896
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: a MAC team all you want and still win the

897
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: Big twelve, that's right. Uh So there is something about

898
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: that that they didn't completely and terribly play down and

899
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: lose to somebody that shouldn't have life year, which I

900
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: always appreciate, especially in a wide open conference. So I

901
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 2: went back and forth, but that there is still something

902
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: about recent offensive incompetence that I just need to get over.

903
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: I guess to feel great about Iowa State.

904
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: Also, and I mentioned this to you on Slack. Please,

905
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I will offer a little bit of a tease here.

906
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, I came up with the

907
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: duke of his art, Alan Lazard. Okay, Yes, an all

908
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: time terrible nickname, all time terrible nickname that stuck. I

909
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: still get tweets about that. Ye Okay, I may have

910
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: something on the same level for Iowa State this year.

911
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Is this a tease for when we actually do This

912
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: is a tease?

913
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a tease. I think it is immeasurably

914
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: worse of a nickname. But I also think there is

915
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: a stickiness to it that you will appreciate.

916
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: Like if somebody pitched it to Chris Berman, would he be.

917
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: Like absolutely not, yes, Like, oh no, nobody wants this.

918
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: Nobody wants this thing that I've come up with other

919
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: than us. Okay, I'm very proud of it.

920
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate you sticking to your guns, committing to

921
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: the bit.

922
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: The only four teams that we have not talked in

923
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: any detail about are Arizona, Utah, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State.

924
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: So my three contenders are Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Utah.

925
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I've got Arizona in that rung of teams that I

926
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: could talk myself into. I think the main reason why

927
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: is because it's a new coach there's a transition there.

928
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: They're going to a different conference. Defensively, they got a

929
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: lot better last year, but you know, I think that's

930
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: still kind of an ongoing question. Anytime you transition not

931
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: only to a new conference but to a new coach,

932
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: there's just turnover they got to deal with. Now. Helps

933
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: that they still have Tetaroa McMillan dan as well as

934
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: you're just you're enunciating it too much now, I know,

935
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: I know, I'm trying to overcompensate. Yeah, it helps that

936
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: they've got him. It helps that know, a Fafita stuck

937
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: around right like, that's that's going to be like kind

938
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: of the power center that offense. Of course, but where

939
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: are you at with Arizona relative to their ability to

940
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: contend in this conference?

941
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: Replacing a lot up front? The defense was one of

942
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: the big surprises of last season. I think they finished

943
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: as like a top twenty ish defense, maybe thirty ish defense,

944
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 2: after being disastrous during the early parts of Jedfish's career.

945
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: So they took that nice step forward. That defensive coordinator

946
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: Johnny Nansen is gone. Duyna Keena doesn't have recent coordinating experience,

947
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: but was there last year. I think as an analyst

948
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: or quality control something, so that's something they will aggress

949
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: it once again in the portal. I just think last

950
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 2: year was the year. And as much as I liked

951
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: a lot of what Brent Brennan did at San Jose State,

952
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: I never like bringing in a like a head a

953
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: recent head coach who failed in Dino Babers as an

954
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. Feels like an a rhythmic move. And they're

955
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: going like pro style to more wide open, which is

956
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: fine because the strength of their team is throwing the ball,

957
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: but like they also ran the hell out of the

958
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: ball last year. They did, and so I don't know

959
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: what that's going to do to that. Like I appreciate

960
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: that Arizona was able to win in different ways last

961
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: year on offense, and the defense did take that nice

962
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 2: step forward and they got the I think a big

963
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: cornerback who had entered the portal and then came back

964
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: to Carrio Davis. But I wish they were more out

965
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: wide for Arizona to take some of the gravity away

966
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: from t Mac. So I have them peeking in just

967
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: because of the defensive questions and a new coach, like

968
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I just think there's something a rhythmic about where Arizona

969
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: is right now.

970
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: So we have this we have the same contender tier.

971
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: Then well I have Kansas on mind, but I'll have.

972
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: Kansas on yours. But but three of the four are

973
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: the same.

974
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we haven't really mentioned TCU at all in

975
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: this conversation as well.

976
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: We talked about TCU kind of in the wild card

977
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: tire and maybe we can sprinkle in a little bit

978
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: of TCU love here, but let's let's stick with contenders

979
00:49:59,480 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: for now.

980
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

981
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: Please, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Utah. You've got Kansas in there,

982
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: I think for reasons that you've already described. We did

983
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: an Oklahoma State specific show with Scott Right of the

984
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and he reiterated what we kind of thought going

985
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: into that conversation, which is this is got to be

986
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: the year for Oklahoma State. Right, this has got like

987
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot's back, Ali Gordon's back despite some of the

988
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: all field stuff. Mike Gundy says he's going to play,

989
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: which is polarising in its own right, But we're a

990
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: football show and we'll focus on that. Uh, there's a

991
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: lot bad, there's a lot to like about that football team.

992
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: Kansas State, I think is way deeper this year, and

993
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: Avery Johnson is going to be the full time starter,

994
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: brings a lot of excitement with him. Utah, like we

995
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: talked about the Dorian Singer transfer, that's not really the

996
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: headliner for Utah, the youth. The headliner for Utah is

997
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: that came Rising and Brank Heathy are both back. So

998
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: all three of those teams have a lot to be

999
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: excited about. Oh great, I've got Utah over Oklahoma State.

1000
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do Utah or Kansas State. Yeah. I

1001
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: really like where Oklahoma State is up front on defense,

1002
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: and I guess I'm a little bit intrigued by the

1003
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator higher I just I don't know. I

1004
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: thought last year's Big twelve was I don't know, it

1005
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: was really bottom heavy to me at times that you

1006
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: could just pick up some empty wins a little bit

1007
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: with how many teams were struggling, and you know, Houston

1008
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: falling apart Baylor, so you know, Cincinnati BYU. Like, I

1009
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: just think records were a little bit inflated last year.

1010
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: I like Kansas State a little bit more because the

1011
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: I mean, basically it's quarterback and defense for me, and

1012
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: I think Case State fans were quick to point out

1013
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: that Will Howard took a step back, not because he

1014
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: was clearly worse, but because his weapons were worse. Right,

1015
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: you don't have the attention on Douce Vaughan even though

1016
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: the offensive output was still good, that the receiving options

1017
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily do Will Howard consistent favors. And I don't

1018
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: know if I see how they're going to be clearly

1019
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: better at receiver this year case State. And so what

1020
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: you're talking about right now is a number of quality

1021
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: coaches at the top, the best coaches in the conference,

1022
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: because I have Lance Leipolden on this tier. You're talking

1023
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: about Kyle Whittingham, Mike Gundy, Chris Cleman, and to me,

1024
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: Lance leipold which to me are the clear best coaches

1025
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: in the conference. And as much as I still have

1026
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: questions about like Oklahoma State passing the ball, I like

1027
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: Brenan Presley a whole bunch. Alan Bowman just doesn't strike

1028
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: me as a championship quarterback and that worries me about

1029
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. But then if you're like, what what is

1030
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: the soft landing for Oklahoma State, Like, well, they have

1031
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: a coach who just consistent, not should say consistently over

1032
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: the course of time, has won a ton of games

1033
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: that perhaps Oklahoma State shouldn't have because he is has

1034
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: that seasoning, has that experience. Same with Kyle Whittingham in Utah. Like,

1035
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: if I'm going to tell you Utah plays in a

1036
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: game where the final score is seventeen thirteen, You're just

1037
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: going to assume Utah figured out a way, And that,

1038
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: to me is the difference. So I have Utah over

1039
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: k State, And like part of me was toying with

1040
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: the idea of pitching our tiers with like, let's just

1041
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: not have a contender tier because nobody is so obviously

1042
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: above and beyond anybody else.

1043
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: Now, it's true, there's no clear cut favorite this.

1044
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: Year, whereas like you look at the SEC, you look

1045
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: at the Big Ten, you look at the ACC to

1046
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: a certain extent where you're just like, I don't know

1047
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: what Cam Rising's knee is going to look like. Yeah,

1048
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: like he's back. I know he's back, but like, is

1049
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: he going to look anything like what he'd looked like before?

1050
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: Because if we're just penciling in Utah looking like Utah,

1051
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I still have some questions about like

1052
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 2: their secondary I saw some questions about what Cam Rising

1053
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: looks like scrambling on third and seven, and so I

1054
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: think it's going to be a very fun conference this here,

1055
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: But like nobody strikes me as like near automatic.

1056
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I it's hard not to like any

1057
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: of these three teams. It's hard not to like Kansas State.

1058
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: But I think Kansas State is more questions than say Utah,

1059
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: especially along the lines right to lose Cooper bb KT

1060
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Levenston like some others. Typically the line play has been

1061
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: very solid, but I think it's reasonable to expect there's

1062
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: going to be a bit of a step back there.

1063
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: That's why it's helpful to have a scrambled like Aviy Johnson.

1064
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: By the way, but I have questions about the line.

1065
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: I think they're really deep on defense, much deeper than

1066
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: they've been in Gosh, I can't even tell you how long.

1067
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have star power on defense,

1068
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: but I think there's quality depth on defense that you

1069
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: just trust that a guy like a Chris Clement is

1070
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: going to figure out. And also the schedules very favorable.

1071
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: They do not play Utah and most of their tough

1072
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Speaker 1: games like Arizona and Oklahoma State, Kansas all those games

1073
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Speaker 1: are at home, so there's a lot working in KSE

1074
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: State's favorite. There's a reason why the over runder is

1075
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: nine and a half. You're not wrong to like Kansas

1076
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: State at all.

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Speaker 2: Utah.

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Speaker 1: I think we have talked a lot about Utah and

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00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: I am curious to see if there's any kind of

1080
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: bump going into a new conference. I don't think there

1081
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: will be. I think the bump will be on behalf

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00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: of other teams that have to play Utah and game

1083
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 1: plan for the system, the very specific system that Kyle

1084
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: Whittingham likes to run. Also of note, Utah had just

1085
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: an unbelievable stroke of misfortune last year with injuries. They

1086
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: were banged up across the board. So now getting a

1087
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Speaker 1: lot of those guys back because they had to play

1088
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: younger guys on defense. I think all of that stuff

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Speaker 1: tends to pay dividends this year, and the schedule again

1090
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: on the Utah front, is extremely workable. I'm just I

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Speaker 1: think my rationale for going Oklahoma State Overcase State in

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Speaker 1: that Big Twelve title game, it's just so many of

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Speaker 1: the conversations we've had where everyone's like, Yeah, it's got

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00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: to be the year this year, this has got to

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Speaker 1: be the year, And frankly, I'm just on a personal level,

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00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: a little tired of being the Oklahoma state and naysayer.

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Speaker 1: It feels like every time I say.

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Speaker 2: That, you're going the other way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I say they can't, they do, and

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Speaker 1: then when I flip the script, then it goes the

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Speaker 1: other way. Like I've never really been able to pin

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Speaker 1: down this team. And far be it from me to

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Speaker 1: kind of I.

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Speaker 2: Think that makes you Texas.

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Speaker 1: It does make me Texas. I just I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be the naysayer on the Oklahoma State side of things.

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Speaker 1: It feels like if if ever there were a year,

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Speaker 1: especially now with their primary rival, these two schools that

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00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: have stood in their way for an eternity, with them

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Speaker 1: gone and out of the equation, if ever there were

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00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: a year for Mike Gunny to win the damn Conference

1112
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: again for like the second time in twenty years or

1113
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: whatever it's going to be, this would be the year

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Speaker 1: for them to actually make a run of this thing

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Speaker 1: with all they've got coming back. So I'm a little

1116
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: bit concerned that they're one dimensional. I'm a little bit

1117
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: concerned for the reasons you described about Alan Bowman. It's

1118
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: not just that he may not be a championship caliber quarterback.

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00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: He's also very injury prone. Again, you only have to

1120
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Speaker 1: play seven years if you're injury prone. But I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put my chips in that basket, eggs

1122
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: in that basket.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't hate it. I don't hate it because

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you were twenty four and a sea

1125
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: of twenty year olds, that's a nice little advantage. Sure,

1126
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: Cam Rising is also that age, So Cam Rising could

1127
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: rent a car?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

1129
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: Can Rising can rent a car without paying the fee

1130
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: for being under twenty five. I like all these guys.

1131
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: I think they're all quality. I think there's extremely defensible

1132
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: reasons to say why they can win this conference. But yeah,

1133
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't think any of these these teams are infallible.

1134
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: And so I'm I'm curious to see. Like, Okay, what

1135
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm curious right now is like, we generally agreed on

1136
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: this contender tier, but if you had to wager one

1137
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: thousand American dollars on a team not in your contender tier,

1138
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: my pick is still.

1139
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: Ucf' two thousand dollars. Okay, so Kansas is in your tier, So.

1140
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: Kansas is in my tier. Yeah, so outside of those

1141
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: four teams the Kansas schools.

1142
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Dude, you could put your dollars on ted roof if

1143
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: you want to. I'm not going now, I know, I

1144
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: hear you. I don't know what odds UCF is getting.

1145
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: The odds are plus nine fifty, so they are they are.

1146
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: I think on the same level as Kansas.

1147
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: UCF might be able to score thirty eight points a

1148
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: game and maybe they give up forty one. But with

1149
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: what the backfield looks like, depth of running back, with

1150
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: maybe having the best receiver in the conference in Kobe Hudson, right,

1151
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, I don't hate as a good coach.

1152
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't hate into his tenure, with how they've recruited,

1153
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: with how they've portled like it's a tough place to win.

1154
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: Their schedule is not great. I only looked at it

1155
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: for a second, But their schedule's tricky both. I think

1156
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: they have what Florida at just like a weird point

1157
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: in the middle of the year. That would be my

1158
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: wild card. If we're getting kJ Jefferson from you know,

1159
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: vintage era, yeah, and we're getting Gus and we're getting

1160
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: an offensive line that's hopefully good. Who they ran the

1161
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: hell out of the ball last year. Like, I don't know.

1162
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: I think their star power on offense might be unmatched

1163
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: in some ways.

1164
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Mine would be Iowa State. Okay, I said it earlier.

1165
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: They're not my contendered here, but I'm really high in

1166
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: Iowa State. I did not expect to be. I expected

1167
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: to be higher in UCF, but then I got reading

1168
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: on the ted roof thing, and that kind of took

1169
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: me down a dark path.

1170
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just catering.

1171
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

1172
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just a vibes guy.

1173
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: He's got a fashionable set of glasses always right. That counts.

1174
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: He's a man who appreciates style. I can appreciate that. Otherwise, though, No,

1175
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: I can't get myself beyond I think uf would be

1176
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: a great TV show. Yeah, if any of these schools

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00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: are a fun TV show, UCF is in that conversation,

1178
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: but I would put my money on Iowa State.

1179
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: By the way, the new like quote unquote rivalry games, right,

1180
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: it's Utah UCF at the end of the year. Yep,

1181
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, Colorado. Don't hate it, coach, I'm gundhy, don't

1182
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: hate it. I love that for either one.

1183
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't we close out this conversation in the

1184
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: last few minutes because you you mentioned TCU. Yeah, we

1185
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: talked I think a little bit more about all fifteen

1186
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: other teams here. We didn't talk a whole lot about TCU.

1187
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: You did the TCU deep dive that we're going to

1188
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: do in one of the next two parts. We haven't

1189
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: figured that out yet.

1190
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: TCU should be better, right, they should be better, I

1191
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: think so. I like Andy Avlos, he made a huge

1192
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: difference when he was hired at Oregon to be the

1193
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: Duck's new defensive coordinator a few years ago. It's hard

1194
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: to tell with TCU, just because the number of transfers

1195
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: and especially upfront that are coming in didn't work out

1196
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: with Joe bil eSPI. But it's it's a huge unknown

1197
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: and I think I don't know how to articulate this,

1198
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: which I should because this is what I do for

1199
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: a living. But TCU is one of a number of

1200
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: teams in this conference that at appear to be starting

1201
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: a really good backup quarterback, right that, like how many

1202
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: major conference teams and look, there's been some really disappointing

1203
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks the Cross Power Conferences these past few years. But

1204
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: you're like Baron Morton, it is good backup to have.

1205
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: Is that who you want winning the Big Twelve? I

1206
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: would feel uncomfortable with Texas Tech even if Texas Tech

1207
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: I had like the skill talent back at receiver and

1208
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: an offensive lineback, and you're like, I don't know, is

1209
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: this the best we're doing? And I feel that way

1210
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: a little bit about like rock Obacked, I feel a

1211
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: little bit about, you know, don't go.

1212
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Baron Morton, don't go there with my guy, Rocko Dan,

1213
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: don't do that to me rock My dude.

1214
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: I know, I know. And the best of Rockoback last

1215
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: year was he was a really nice story, but he's

1216
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: just like I don't know, you look at the best

1217
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: of like Cam Rising and kJ Jefferson and Jalen Daniels

1218
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: and like, I just I just think there's like a

1219
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: clear divide with some of these guys that they're like

1220
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: nice story back up up, but not high level like

1221
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: the like if I were a Texas Tech fan and

1222
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: I were if I was playing Utah down for with

1223
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: two and a half minutes left, like this doesn't happen.

1224
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, well, look we welcome feedback out

1225
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,680
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1226
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1228
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Speaker 1: of verballers who are very excited about this college football

1238
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Speaker 1: video game, and we've got dynasties that are forming were

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Speaker 1: working up all sorts of ways to tap into this excitement.

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Speaker 1: other people to play with, so totally separate from any

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Speaker 1: cool stuff that we might try to organize on our own,

1244
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Speaker 1: which there will be things. But if you're into the game,

1245
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Speaker 1: if you're like Dan and I and you're old and washed.

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Speaker 1: But you want to play with people online and maybe

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Speaker 1: don't have anybody in your immediate friend circle that's willing

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Speaker 1: to play against you. You're always welcome to hop on

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Speaker 1: over and are into our discord and find others who

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01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: are are like minded and as excited about the game

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Speaker 1: as we are.

1252
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Speaker 2: Agree, So we'll leave it at that. I thought this

1253
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: is a good conversation.

1254
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: I enjoyed working this through. Like I'm genuinely and I'm

1255
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: not just saying it for effect here, genuinely very excited

1256
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: about the Big Twelve this year. I have no idea

1257
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: which direction it's going to go.

1258
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hope you don't like, pop open the

1259
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: fridge and catch a whiff of like that carton of

1260
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: ted rouf oh, and like, well I can never have

1261
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: cereal again.

1262
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: No, I've already caught that whiff. That's why I'm out

1263
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: on UCF. I know.

1264
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: No, It's going to be a very fun conference to watch.

1265
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: It should be a very good TV show. I just

1266
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: from Afar. I'm like, how am I going to make

1267
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: time in my life for a couple of these matchups

1268
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: where I'm like, this is really cool football that I

1269
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: really want to watch and You're just like, but it's Michigan, Wisconsin.

1270
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: But it's Michigan, USC Like, it's just you know, the

1271
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: Pushbowl there. I just think more often than not, the

1272
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: Big twelve is going to be watch it after the fact,

1273
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: before the preview show with limited must S TV. I

1274
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: hope I'm wrong, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Dane, Well, that does it for Part one. Part two,

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: and three are forthcoming. We will dive more into the

1277
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: specifics of all of these teams that we talked about

1278
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: here today. One more time, hit follow, hit subscribe. You've

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Speaker 1: got Utah over k State. I've got Utah over Oklahoma State.

1280
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Speaker 1: Next two episodes will explain exactly why for that guy

1281
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein for my off

1282
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Speaker 1: tie holding the brand. Thanks for being with us here,

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