WEBVTT - KOBE BRYANT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.520 This is Matt Barnes. You're listening to All the Smoke 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.600 before you dive in. If you want to listen to 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.520 uninterrupted episodes, you can unlock ad free listening right now 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.520 with the subscription of Black Effects Plus. Just click to 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.320 subscribe at the top of the All the Smoke Show 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.920 page on Apple Podcasts. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.640 All these years, we've been building, building and building. Now 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.000 opportunity do come my way. That's when the magic happens. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.160 Going them to the Endeling household was. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:34.160 Crazy, depression, anxiety, those are things I had. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:36.680 I had hater before. 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:41.519 I've just gotten more than that. Legalizing sports gamblin might 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.720 as well to legalize cookin and crystal mouth. So many 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.800 people wanted sunny dead. Question is who got to first? 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:54.680 This is all work point, just the part I don't see. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.080 We help people. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:21.360 Understand football, all right, man. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.600 So ship Normally we shooting Santa Monica or in New York. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.760 But today we made a special road trip to go 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.920 see the one and only, the one and only. Yeah, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.200 I mean we had to drive an hour and a 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.280 half in traffic to see cold It doesn't matter. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.959 We had to drive backwards. I was gonna get some 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.319 get this house Blacks for these damn shoes. One way enough, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.480 that's the first thing you're gonna do. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.040 Cod w How you doing? Look man, I'm looking for 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:45.080 It's the shoes. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.240 Called the Undefeated Pack. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.360 We gotta be fresh on the court now. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:49.760 But I'm excited, you know what I mean. Like some 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.720 said that he's someone that from the jump, you know 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.360 him coming to LA when I was in U c 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.360 l A. You gotta play with the McDonald's game. We 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.720 kind of saw the early at the beginning, and it 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.960 kind of just seen him can continued to evolve and 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.080 continue to be at one point, you know, the greatest 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.240 player in a in the game and then one of 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.240 the all time greats. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:07.520 You know. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.200 So I think to have a chance to sit down 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.720 and and shop it up and reminisce and see what 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.440 he's got going on post career now, I think it's 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:16.239 just gonna be dope. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.400 Now. Only doing somebody who I you know, probably my 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.840 favorite player of my time, right but uh, somebody that 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.720 I grew up with, you know, like I said, maybe 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.840 able to play McDonald's game with. But last time I 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.600 saw him was when he was able to talk to 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.560 my son Okay on his LA on his uh bell 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.359 weell tour and I never got a chance to tell 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.480 him thank you. So it's a been a great time 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.240 to you know, to pick his brain see what he 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.280 got going on, you know what I mean. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.520 And uh, you know rap with bean Man. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.600 That I think everyone thinks that he and I are 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.000 enemies or don't fuck with each other cause that shit 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.919 that happened in Orlando with the ball face. But that's 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.480 what kind of really he ain't liked it. Nah, That's 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.200 what really brought us together, you know, That's what n 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.520 You know, he after that season, he hit me up like, Yo, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.840 you wanna be a Laker? I said, hell yeah, and 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.760 he said, anyone crazy enough to fuck with me is 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.560 crazy enough to play with me. So I think there's 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.760 such like when people still you. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:04.800 Know, Kobe doesn't like you. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.880 You guys, I'm just like, it's it's not even like 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.720 to be honest with you when you're talking about is 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.640 what really brought us closer in me and made us 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:12.280 become friends. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:12.480 You know. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.160 So we had battles, but then you know it's teammates. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:16.360 Man. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.639 We had some some crazy off the court fun ship. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.200 You know what I remember, thog I was this is 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.200 the first time I ever seen Kobe out. I was 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.720 in Milwaukee. We played job. Remember I was suspended. We 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.320 came to the club and you like you called me, like, Bro, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.760 I'm going I'm bringing called like man, Kobe ain't going. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.280 I was like, Bro, I'm telling you. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.880 And I walked in the club and Cole was in there. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.600 And I couldn't believe it. Bro, Like, Bro, I'm telling 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.080 you now, he going out. Bro, I'm telling you coming 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:47.600 out with me. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.440 Because I was in my room, you know, I was 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:50.840 pre game and I went in to the room, burned 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.120 one real quick and then I'm like, YOA, what's going on, man, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.800 Let's let's do something. And then He's all right, let's go. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.040 We went in all cities. We wentever we went to Milwaukee. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.880 Yeah, you called me, Bro, tells me going out, Man, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:03.200 I couldn't believe it. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:03.680 Now. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.440 We bond the instantly, man, Like I said, on the 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.240 those the court, you know, and we're both going through 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.200 some stuff in our personal life. So it was just 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.840 like on the court we balled, but then off the 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.680 court we kicked it and we went out and did 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.880 stuff and you know, rolling with him as a whole 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:15.440 other monster. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:15.600 Man. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.680 Were going to all these black tie events and you 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.880 see every that's kind of when I started I kind 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.800 of owe with the code. It's you know, kind of 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.320 started seeing these uh, these Hollywood women, you know what 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.040 I mean, and go into events. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.960 With him, and once you open that door for me. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.560 Well, yeah, you ain't gotta you ain't gotta you gottah. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.000 Yeah, I'm walk myself, ma'ma I'm gonna do my thing. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.080 So you know, that's kind of like the two thousand 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.960 when I was separated at the time, the twenty ten times, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.400 that was the beginning of something beautiful. Candifory love Man, 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.680 you already know a Laker, Yeah, and with with the 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.000 one of the arguably one of the greatest Lakers. 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:56.800 Yep of all time. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.520 Yeah, the teammate on the road, just his folks. It 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.400 doesn't deter he'll go out and have a good time. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.800 It's not like he's gonna go out all that can 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.640 go crazy. But if it's a situation where he does 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.359 go out, you know what I mean, The next morning, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.200 he's up early and like the schedules you know, hadn't changed. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.039 You know, he's someone that you know, insisted on work. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.600 They have a glass of wine every now and then. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.600 The Veno, you know what I mean. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.280 But he'll get out there and still do his early 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.719 morning pre practice workouts or pre shoot around workouts like 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.200 he was a He was a beast, you know what 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.240 I mean. Like he enjoyed hisself, but at the same time, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.120 he never let it take away from his craft. And 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.040 that's what I think. He held people to a standard. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:34.120 You know, you want to go out, you want to 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:35.560 go out fun, go do that, but don't let that 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.240 fuck up. But we got going on the next day. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.680 I don't know if he could have handled seeing what 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.159 the kind of shit we did with that. We believe 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.080 team though, but like you said, we still came out 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.360 and did our thing though every night. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:46.839 But he was in the streets. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.800 Every If we was doing that and winning, he would 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.040 have respected us because that's all. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.920 He was about it. Right at the end of the day, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.359 It's about doing your job for. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.239 What you do off the court. As long as we winning, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.200 let's go all the smoke. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.279 I'm looking forward to this obviously. I think our goal 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.880 is to have a candid conversation and get some shit 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.679 out of him that he doesn't normally talk about. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:18.680 This motherfucker, I'm actually enjoyed playing the gainst and enjoy watching. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.039 So I'm actually a fan of this man. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:21.960 You can ask him about who deserve MVP in the 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:22.760 McDonald's game. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.080 Yes, I have to get that answer. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:25.760 If he stamps you, you're good, because I don't know 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.320 if I believe it until he because I didn't watch 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.840 the game. So if he stamps you. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.680 If Kobe stamps that, I should have won MVP in 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.599 the McDonald's nineties All American Game, somebody needs to send 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:35.159 me a trophy. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:37.599 Y'all heard that. You better said that shit. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.239 I'm excited though. It's gonna be one for the books. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:41.640 All the motherfucker Smoke that. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:42.240 A break show. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:56.680 Let go Welcome Back All the Smoke episode eleven ringing 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.480 in twenty twenty. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:01.240 My god, eleven, don't. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:01.960 I don't know how to say that. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.440 I don't know Mexico. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:07.560 I got it, I got I gotta. 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:09.320 Oh. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.800 We appreciate you, man, Thank you for your time. We've 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.880 been looking forward to this man. The fans have been asking, 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.679 you need to get Kobe, you need to get COVID. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.520 So we finally got cold man. All right, we appreciate you, man, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:19.880 got it. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:21.640 So let's get into it. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.720 Man, what is the difference between Kobe Bryant post career 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.920 and the Mamba, the killer we saw on the court. 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.120 Well, I think it's just a lot of the mentality 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.600 is still the same. Industry just changes, right, So the 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:40.360 same focused, same attention to detail. There's even more so 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.920 now because you know, when you play, you gotta take 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.840 time off, gotta let your body heal, you gotta do 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.000 certain things. You know, in business and in creativity, there 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.120 is no off switch because your brain's constantly working, right, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.400 So you know, the similarities are are there. It's the focus, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.960 attention to detail, and you try to surround yourself people 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.800 that are just as monogual as you are about their 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.280 and the differences are I don't have to put my 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.680 body through hell every day. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.720 True. True. Some of the things I've seen post career 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.800 that I love. Or obviously you know, you coaching your 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:15.680 daughter and then your new fascination with writing novels, going 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:16.560 to detail with those. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.520 Yeah, well, coaching the kids it's fun. Just kind of 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.640 came out of nowhere because my daughter just decided she 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.600 wanted to play about two and a half years ago, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.000 you know, so started coaching a little bit and then 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.520 she made a local All Star team, and that's where 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.000 we met the rest of the girls that are now 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:33.800 on the team. And you know, they all started at 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.760 the real kind of ground level, but they enjoy playing 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.840 so much. It just kind of grew into what it 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.520 is now and it's been it's been a lot of fun. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.920 And then the novel writing really started just with the kids. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.520 The kids can't keep reading stories that have no relation 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.920 to them whatsoever. And I don't mean just from like, 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.440 you know, a diversity, like a color standpoint, not only 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.360 just that, but from the fact that they're athletes and 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.600 there's no story that kind of speaks to athletes. It's 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.160 all like princesses and sleep and Prince wakes you up 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.240 with the kiss. Not trying to read my daughters that 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.600 you know, you know, we enjoy that stuff, but it's 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.800 not you know, it's not reality. You're not going to 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.440 sleep and then wake up years later later and be successful. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.880 You know, you gotta work, you gotta work. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.520 So I wanted to create stories that I could read 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.280 to them athletes that go through that type of Sime. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.800 Tell me what it's like coaching your daughter, you know, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.920 because I coach my boys will be at the same 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.560 tournament coming up this weekend. What is it like for 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:31.040 you being on that sideline. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.000 It's fun because I get a chance to sit and 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.440 watch and ask questions. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:35.800 You know. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:40.719 That's that's really my job and my coaching staff's job 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.760 is to really ask questions, you know, and let them 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.280 figure things out throughout the course of the game, and 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.520 you'll win some and you'll lose some. That way, we 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.240 probably went a lot more if we felt like we 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.520 would micro manage how they play the game and call 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.200 plays and sets and all sort of stuff. But we 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.280 really just kind of sit back and let them process 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.440 things and figure things out because we are playing for 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.920 the long game of them being the best basketball players 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.719 they can be. But it's fun to sit there and 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.800 watch them. Who you didn't want to Oscar? 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.080 You know, we we have we dream have his dream 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.240 of winning an Emmy with our show You don't want 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.120 to Oscar in the Ammy? 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.440 What tell me? How did that? 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.040 What did that feel like to be able to say, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.280 you know, to win the Oscars? You know, of course 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.600 you wanted to be with six rings with Mike, but 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.360 you have something that he probably he probably never get, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.000 you know what one of these you know what I'm. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.360 Saying I can't get one of these, So how to 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:27.080 tell me about that? 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:27.800 Uh? 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.240 You know it was. It's different because in competition, you're you're, you're. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.880 It's like it's a direct competitive thing. You know who 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.920 your competitors are. You know who you we got that 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.839 bad face like you know that, you know what I mean. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.920 So it's like, you know, it's a direct competition when 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.679 it comes to the yards, it's not that you just 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.200 try to create the best thing you possibly can and 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.320 then see how you know, in this case, the academy 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.000 responds to it. So it's very different like sitting there 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.120 at Oscar night, like there's nothing you can do. I 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.000 just don't need to be nervous. It's no need to 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.240 because things are what they are. It's out of your hands. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.960 You did the best job that you could possibly do, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.680 and then you go from there. But the biggest lesson 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.560 learned from is you work with brilliant people that see 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.280 the world the same way, and magical things happen. And 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.000 that's true across industries. I got John Williams and Glenn Keane, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.000 who have never met, but they are both giants in 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.560 their respective industries, see their craft the same way, and 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.559 you put them on a project together, and you know, 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:22.959 what was. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.760 It like for you coming into this business space overall 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.800 with all your success you've had in sports, you know, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.040 I kind of feel like that next step in life. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:31.920 People either kind of okay, they praise you for what 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.040 you did and it's eager to work with you, or 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.679 they're like, oh, it's motherfucker thinks because he won five 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.520 titles that he can do whatever he wants. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.319 It's a little bit of both, right, So, like I 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.920 can get any meeting, you know, but then it's the 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.320 follow up, right. Or I used to get things all 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.280 the time where it's come in for the meeting for 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.320 this company that you want to build, these ideas that 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.400 you want to build. That's all cool, and then you 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.079 sit down and they're trying to pitch you on being 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:55.839 on the show, being in front of the camera. I'm like, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.240 I'm not about that, right, right, So it kind of 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.400 it goes both ways. And so what we've had to 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.120 do is just build it ourselves because we just got 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.080 sick and tired of it, you know, trying to go 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.880 out and partner with people that act like they believe 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.880 in the vision, but when the push comes to shove, 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.120 they really don't they just want me in my twenty years. 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:13.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:14.880 I'm trying to put that to bed and build something 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.600 for the next one is And the best way to 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:17.960 do that is to do that ourselves. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:18.160 Right. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.439 What was our pivotal moment growing up where you developed 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.560 your desire and the tremendous work. I think I speak 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.360 on the mental toughness that you have was there early on? 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.760 Pick that up. I'm trying to remember. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.400 I mean, we've we had a really competitive household with 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.720 my cousins and you know, my father and my uncle 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.480 and stuff like, we was very competitive. You had to 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.480 really really work to just survive. Like you know, that's 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.920 what's swimming, that's playing basketball, it's playing video games whatever. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.679 I mean. It was a shit talking family. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.000 Like when you lose, not only lose, but you get 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.800 embarrassed while you lose, you know what I mean. So 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.280 I grew up in that kind of environment, so you 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.400 had to work hard just to just to kind of 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.760 keep your head above water sort of thing. And I 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.600 came into the NBA, I was like, man, these dudes 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.599 really don't work that hard. It was pretty It was 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.959 kind of an eye opener. It was like, but you 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.520 started off young, like, you know, we were the same age. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.839 We grew up, like you got to kill list at thirteen, I. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.560 Did, and I know we age. I'm glad I wasn't 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.240 know the damn I'm glad I wasn't on your kill 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.040 this day. We were the same age coming up. 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.320 But it's like that Billy Madison ship, like, yeah, yeah, 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.200 who was on your kill list at thirteen? 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.080 Bro Well, Tim Thomas. Yeah, of course Tim Thomas. Uh 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:36.440 uh yeah, because RiPP and I were like both nobodies. Yeah, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.960 so he went to Coachfieldsville and law marriage. We were 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.080 a nobody, so we played on the same AAU team 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.080 together and so we were really close. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.240 So he might have had a killed list too. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.720 So the killers was well, just people what ranked higher 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:49.520 than you ranked. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.800 Higher, because I like, going into my sophomore year, I 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.120 was probably ranked somewhere in like the top two hundred 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.160 something like that, and then it kind of went up 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.200 one hundred and fifty and then by the time was 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.360 a senior hit number one. But jo Jamaine was up there. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:09.560 Leicester Earl, Cory Ben Holloway, Corey Be Mike Baby, Mike Baby, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.000 you know what I mean. You know, last was you know, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 I tell you what, the first time I ever actually 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.560 ever heard E forty was at an All American camp. Yeah, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.920 you're all hanging out in dorms, and back then it 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.200 was nothing but Biggie nos stuff. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.600 Right, So they were. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.600 Playing E forty and shooting crafts and I'm like, man, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.880 I gotta show me what is what's going on right now? 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:33.240 You know? 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.240 It was fun getting to know everybody you know, and 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.600 then seeing them kind of we're all going since then. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.520 Well, you guys played in the McDonald's game together and Jack, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:41.440 how do you want MVP? 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:42.480 Right? No, MVP? 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.280 I should have won MVP. MVP then, see I'm glad 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.440 you said that. Cod so on MVP Shahane Holloway. He 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.640 had like ten turnovers too, bro. But you know what 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.360 got an MVP? Remember the bounce passed Lester l and 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.720 dunked on Box. I think that was the big play. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.360 But I had I led the game in scoring, actually 0:14:58.400 --> 0:14:59.840 was eight to ten from the field, three for three 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.160 from the three point line. But our team me you 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:08.000 ripped Jermaine O'Neill and gen Ilway. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.360 Crazy starting fire. That's great. I thought you did. No 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:10.840 I didn't. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.640 So he loves the fact that you thought he should have. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.360 He said that that's all I wanted. He wanted. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.520 I don't want to about this before He's like, he ain't 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.720 Holloway went, but Code knows I should have wanted. 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.800 I did, He ain't wanted. Damn. It was dope, though. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.640 It was a great experience. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.280 Because our team, though you gotta let like me you Jamaine. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.240 Made a long career out of it, all of us, like. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:32.760 You know what I mean. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.480 Rip has had some videos remember his pops you should 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.160 travel around with the camquorder all the time. Yes, And 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.400 so he was showing me some some clips from some 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.800 of his old footage and watching us knuckleheads walk around. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.480 I posted a picture recently of me you, Mike Bibbie 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.280 and at the McDonald's game. That's crazy. That's what me 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.200 and you first met. That's nuts. Yeah, that's we first met. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.280 Getting better, we getting better there. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.880 We talked about this a little bit off camera when 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.560 we were talking about Stephen A. Smith and kind of 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.600 how the rolls reverse now and he's kind of almost 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.680 in a player's perspective where he's getting criticized and everything. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.440 Was there ever anything as a player that you remember 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.560 that was said? About you or written about you that 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.680 really kind of stung and hurt throughout your career. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.520 You know what's funny all all of it? Does you 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.080 know a lot of stuff said about me or selfishness 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.320 type of stuff. It's like, bro, you can't win five rings, 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.800 being self doesn't happen. But I get that's kind of 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.160 become the Mantra's kind of become the slang or the 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.920 binacular or the running joke or he doesn't pass and 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.720 also crap, man, that's okay, you know, but I'll take 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.080 those five rings, right, I'll. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.680 Take five a lot. I know me and Matt and 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:40.360 I know you too. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.960 Like I've been misunderstood and not honestly for like I 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.640 missed a lot of a couple of All Star appearances 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.440 due to the brawl. Sure, you know, and I've been 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.000 misunderstood because you know me, and you know, man, I'm 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.280 not the person that they labeled me to be after that, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.800 after being a loyal teammate. What's the most misunderstood thing 0:16:58.800 --> 0:16:59.200 about you? 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:00.200 I think it's that, man. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.560