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Speaker 2: All these years, we've been building, building and building. Now
Speaker 2: opportunity do come my way. That's when the magic happens.
Speaker 3: Going them to the Endeling household was.
Speaker 4: Crazy, depression, anxiety, those are things I had.
Speaker 1: I had hater before.
Speaker 3: I've just gotten more than that. Legalizing sports gamblin might
Speaker 3: as well to legalize cookin and crystal mouth. So many
Speaker 3: people wanted sunny dead. Question is who got to first?
Speaker 5: This is all work point, just the part I don't see.
Speaker 1: We help people.
Speaker 6: Understand football, all right, man.
Speaker 1: So ship Normally we shooting Santa Monica or in New York.
Speaker 1: But today we made a special road trip to go
Speaker 1: see the one and only, the one and only. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we had to drive an hour and a
Speaker 1: half in traffic to see cold It doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: We had to drive backwards. I was gonna get some
Speaker 5: get this house Blacks for these damn shoes. One way enough,
Speaker 5: that's the first thing you're gonna do.
Speaker 7: Cod w How you doing? Look man, I'm looking for
Speaker 7: It's the shoes.
Speaker 3: Called the Undefeated Pack.
Speaker 7: We gotta be fresh on the court now.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited, you know what I mean. Like some
Speaker 1: said that he's someone that from the jump, you know
Speaker 1: him coming to LA when I was in U c
Speaker 1: l A. You gotta play with the McDonald's game. We
Speaker 1: kind of saw the early at the beginning, and it
Speaker 1: kind of just seen him can continued to evolve and
Speaker 1: continue to be at one point, you know, the greatest
Speaker 1: player in a in the game and then one of
Speaker 1: the all time greats.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So I think to have a chance to sit down
Speaker 1: and and shop it up and reminisce and see what
Speaker 1: he's got going on post career now, I think it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be dope.
Speaker 5: Now. Only doing somebody who I you know, probably my
Speaker 5: favorite player of my time, right but uh, somebody that
Speaker 5: I grew up with, you know, like I said, maybe
Speaker 5: able to play McDonald's game with. But last time I
Speaker 5: saw him was when he was able to talk to
Speaker 5: my son Okay on his LA on his uh bell
Speaker 5: weell tour and I never got a chance to tell
Speaker 5: him thank you. So it's a been a great time
Speaker 5: to you know, to pick his brain see what he
Speaker 5: got going on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: And uh, you know rap with bean Man.
Speaker 1: That I think everyone thinks that he and I are
Speaker 1: enemies or don't fuck with each other cause that shit
Speaker 1: that happened in Orlando with the ball face. But that's
Speaker 1: what kind of really he ain't liked it. Nah, That's
Speaker 1: what really brought us together, you know, That's what n
Speaker 1: You know, he after that season, he hit me up like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you wanna be a Laker? I said, hell yeah, and
Speaker 1: he said, anyone crazy enough to fuck with me is
Speaker 1: crazy enough to play with me. So I think there's
Speaker 1: such like when people still you.
Speaker 7: Know, Kobe doesn't like you.
Speaker 1: You guys, I'm just like, it's it's not even like
Speaker 1: to be honest with you when you're talking about is
Speaker 1: what really brought us closer in me and made us
Speaker 1: become friends.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So we had battles, but then you know it's teammates.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: We had some some crazy off the court fun ship.
Speaker 5: You know what I remember, thog I was this is
Speaker 5: the first time I ever seen Kobe out. I was
Speaker 5: in Milwaukee. We played job. Remember I was suspended. We
Speaker 5: came to the club and you like you called me, like, Bro,
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm bringing called like man, Kobe ain't going.
Speaker 3: I was like, Bro, I'm telling you.
Speaker 7: And I walked in the club and Cole was in there.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't believe it. Bro, Like, Bro, I'm telling
Speaker 5: you now, he going out. Bro, I'm telling you coming
Speaker 5: out with me.
Speaker 1: Because I was in my room, you know, I was
Speaker 1: pre game and I went in to the room, burned
Speaker 1: one real quick and then I'm like, YOA, what's going on, man,
Speaker 1: Let's let's do something. And then He's all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: We went in all cities. We wentever we went to Milwaukee.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you called me, Bro, tells me going out, Man,
Speaker 7: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: We bond the instantly, man, Like I said, on the
Speaker 1: those the court, you know, and we're both going through
Speaker 1: some stuff in our personal life. So it was just
Speaker 1: like on the court we balled, but then off the
Speaker 1: court we kicked it and we went out and did
Speaker 1: stuff and you know, rolling with him as a whole
Speaker 1: other monster.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Were going to all these black tie events and you
Speaker 1: see every that's kind of when I started I kind
Speaker 1: of owe with the code. It's you know, kind of
Speaker 1: started seeing these uh, these Hollywood women, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and go into events.
Speaker 6: With him, and once you open that door for me.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you ain't gotta you ain't gotta you gottah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walk myself, ma'ma I'm gonna do my thing.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's kind of like the two thousand
Speaker 1: when I was separated at the time, the twenty ten times,
Speaker 1: that was the beginning of something beautiful. Candifory love Man,
Speaker 1: you already know a Laker, Yeah, and with with the
Speaker 1: one of the arguably one of the greatest Lakers.
Speaker 3: Yep of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the teammate on the road, just his folks. It
Speaker 1: doesn't deter he'll go out and have a good time.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's gonna go out all that can
Speaker 1: go crazy. But if it's a situation where he does
Speaker 1: go out, you know what I mean, The next morning,
Speaker 1: he's up early and like the schedules you know, hadn't changed.
Speaker 1: You know, he's someone that you know, insisted on work.
Speaker 7: They have a glass of wine every now and then.
Speaker 6: The Veno, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But he'll get out there and still do his early
Speaker 1: morning pre practice workouts or pre shoot around workouts like
Speaker 1: he was a He was a beast, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like he enjoyed hisself, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: he never let it take away from his craft. And
Speaker 1: that's what I think. He held people to a standard.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to go out, you want to
Speaker 1: go out fun, go do that, but don't let that
Speaker 1: fuck up. But we got going on the next day.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he could have handled seeing what
Speaker 1: the kind of shit we did with that. We believe
Speaker 1: team though, but like you said, we still came out
Speaker 1: and did our thing though every night.
Speaker 3: But he was in the streets.
Speaker 5: Every If we was doing that and winning, he would
Speaker 5: have respected us because that's all.
Speaker 1: He was about it. Right at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: It's about doing your job for.
Speaker 7: What you do off the court. As long as we winning,
Speaker 7: let's go all the smoke.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this obviously. I think our goal
Speaker 1: is to have a candid conversation and get some shit
Speaker 1: out of him that he doesn't normally talk about.
Speaker 5: This motherfucker, I'm actually enjoyed playing the gainst and enjoy watching.
Speaker 3: So I'm actually a fan of this man.
Speaker 1: You can ask him about who deserve MVP in the
Speaker 1: McDonald's game.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have to get that answer.
Speaker 1: If he stamps you, you're good, because I don't know
Speaker 1: if I believe it until he because I didn't watch
Speaker 1: the game. So if he stamps you.
Speaker 5: If Kobe stamps that, I should have won MVP in
Speaker 5: the McDonald's nineties All American Game, somebody needs to send
Speaker 5: me a trophy.
Speaker 1: Y'all heard that. You better said that shit.
Speaker 5: I'm excited though. It's gonna be one for the books.
Speaker 5: All the motherfucker Smoke that.
Speaker 3: A break show.
Speaker 1: Let go Welcome Back All the Smoke episode eleven ringing
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: My god, eleven, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say that.
Speaker 3: I don't know Mexico.
Speaker 1: I got it, I got I gotta.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, man, Thank you for your time. We've
Speaker 1: been looking forward to this man. The fans have been asking,
Speaker 1: you need to get Kobe, you need to get COVID.
Speaker 1: So we finally got cold man. All right, we appreciate you, man,
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: So let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Man, what is the difference between Kobe Bryant post career
Speaker 1: and the Mamba, the killer we saw on the court.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just a lot of the mentality
Speaker 4: is still the same. Industry just changes, right, So the
Speaker 4: same focused, same attention to detail. There's even more so
Speaker 4: now because you know, when you play, you gotta take
Speaker 4: time off, gotta let your body heal, you gotta do
Speaker 4: certain things. You know, in business and in creativity, there
Speaker 4: is no off switch because your brain's constantly working, right,
Speaker 4: So you know, the similarities are are there. It's the focus,
Speaker 4: attention to detail, and you try to surround yourself people
Speaker 4: that are just as monogual as you are about their
Speaker 4: and the differences are I don't have to put my
Speaker 4: body through hell every day.
Speaker 1: True. True. Some of the things I've seen post career
Speaker 1: that I love. Or obviously you know, you coaching your
Speaker 1: daughter and then your new fascination with writing novels, going
Speaker 1: to detail with those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, coaching the kids it's fun. Just kind of
Speaker 4: came out of nowhere because my daughter just decided she
Speaker 4: wanted to play about two and a half years ago,
Speaker 4: you know, so started coaching a little bit and then
Speaker 4: she made a local All Star team, and that's where
Speaker 4: we met the rest of the girls that are now
Speaker 4: on the team. And you know, they all started at
Speaker 4: the real kind of ground level, but they enjoy playing
Speaker 4: so much. It just kind of grew into what it
Speaker 4: is now and it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: And then the novel writing really started just with the kids.
Speaker 4: The kids can't keep reading stories that have no relation
Speaker 4: to them whatsoever. And I don't mean just from like,
Speaker 4: you know, a diversity, like a color standpoint, not only
Speaker 4: just that, but from the fact that they're athletes and
Speaker 4: there's no story that kind of speaks to athletes. It's
Speaker 4: all like princesses and sleep and Prince wakes you up
Speaker 4: with the kiss. Not trying to read my daughters that
Speaker 4: you know, you know, we enjoy that stuff, but it's
Speaker 4: not you know, it's not reality. You're not going to
Speaker 4: sleep and then wake up years later later and be successful.
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta work, you gotta work.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to create stories that I could read
Speaker 4: to them athletes that go through that type of Sime.
Speaker 1: Tell me what it's like coaching your daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: because I coach my boys will be at the same
Speaker 1: tournament coming up this weekend. What is it like for
Speaker 1: you being on that sideline.
Speaker 4: It's fun because I get a chance to sit and
Speaker 4: watch and ask questions.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: That's that's really my job and my coaching staff's job
Speaker 4: is to really ask questions, you know, and let them
Speaker 4: figure things out throughout the course of the game, and
Speaker 4: you'll win some and you'll lose some. That way, we
Speaker 4: probably went a lot more if we felt like we
Speaker 4: would micro manage how they play the game and call
Speaker 4: plays and sets and all sort of stuff. But we
Speaker 4: really just kind of sit back and let them process
Speaker 4: things and figure things out because we are playing for
Speaker 4: the long game of them being the best basketball players
Speaker 4: they can be. But it's fun to sit there and
Speaker 4: watch them. Who you didn't want to Oscar?
Speaker 5: You know, we we have we dream have his dream
Speaker 5: of winning an Emmy with our show You don't want
Speaker 5: to Oscar in the Ammy?
Speaker 3: What tell me? How did that?
Speaker 5: What did that feel like to be able to say,
Speaker 5: you know, to win the Oscars? You know, of course
Speaker 5: you wanted to be with six rings with Mike, but
Speaker 5: you have something that he probably he probably never get,
Speaker 5: you know what one of these you know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying I can't get one of these, So how to
Speaker 3: tell me about that?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know it was. It's different because in competition, you're you're, you're.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a direct competitive thing. You know who
Speaker 4: your competitors are. You know who you we got that
Speaker 4: bad face like you know that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, it's a direct competition when
Speaker 4: it comes to the yards, it's not that you just
Speaker 4: try to create the best thing you possibly can and
Speaker 4: then see how you know, in this case, the academy
Speaker 4: responds to it. So it's very different like sitting there
Speaker 4: at Oscar night, like there's nothing you can do. I
Speaker 4: just don't need to be nervous. It's no need to
Speaker 4: because things are what they are. It's out of your hands.
Speaker 4: You did the best job that you could possibly do,
Speaker 4: and then you go from there. But the biggest lesson
Speaker 4: learned from is you work with brilliant people that see
Speaker 4: the world the same way, and magical things happen. And
Speaker 4: that's true across industries. I got John Williams and Glenn Keane,
Speaker 4: who have never met, but they are both giants in
Speaker 4: their respective industries, see their craft the same way, and
Speaker 4: you put them on a project together, and you know,
Speaker 4: what was.
Speaker 1: It like for you coming into this business space overall
Speaker 1: with all your success you've had in sports, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that next step in life.
Speaker 1: People either kind of okay, they praise you for what
Speaker 1: you did and it's eager to work with you, or
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's motherfucker thinks because he won five
Speaker 1: titles that he can do whatever he wants.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of both, right, So, like I
Speaker 4: can get any meeting, you know, but then it's the
Speaker 4: follow up, right. Or I used to get things all
Speaker 4: the time where it's come in for the meeting for
Speaker 4: this company that you want to build, these ideas that
Speaker 4: you want to build. That's all cool, and then you
Speaker 4: sit down and they're trying to pitch you on being
Speaker 4: on the show, being in front of the camera. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not about that, right, right, So it kind of
Speaker 4: it goes both ways. And so what we've had to
Speaker 4: do is just build it ourselves because we just got
Speaker 4: sick and tired of it, you know, trying to go
Speaker 4: out and partner with people that act like they believe
Speaker 4: in the vision, but when the push comes to shove,
Speaker 4: they really don't they just want me in my twenty years.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to put that to bed and build something
Speaker 4: for the next one is And the best way to
Speaker 4: do that is to do that ourselves.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: What was our pivotal moment growing up where you developed
Speaker 1: your desire and the tremendous work. I think I speak
Speaker 1: on the mental toughness that you have was there early on?
Speaker 3: Pick that up. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've we had a really competitive household with
Speaker 4: my cousins and you know, my father and my uncle
Speaker 4: and stuff like, we was very competitive. You had to
Speaker 4: really really work to just survive. Like you know, that's
Speaker 4: what's swimming, that's playing basketball, it's playing video games whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean. It was a shit talking family.
Speaker 4: Like when you lose, not only lose, but you get
Speaker 4: embarrassed while you lose, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: I grew up in that kind of environment, so you
Speaker 4: had to work hard just to just to kind of
Speaker 4: keep your head above water sort of thing. And I
Speaker 4: came into the NBA, I was like, man, these dudes
Speaker 4: really don't work that hard. It was pretty It was
Speaker 4: kind of an eye opener. It was like, but you
Speaker 4: started off young, like, you know, we were the same age.
Speaker 4: We grew up, like you got to kill list at thirteen, I.
Speaker 3: Did, and I know we age. I'm glad I wasn't
Speaker 3: know the damn I'm glad I wasn't on your kill
Speaker 3: this day. We were the same age coming up.
Speaker 5: But it's like that Billy Madison ship, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: who was on your kill list at thirteen?
Speaker 4: Bro Well, Tim Thomas. Yeah, of course Tim Thomas. Uh
Speaker 4: uh yeah, because RiPP and I were like both nobodies. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so he went to Coachfieldsville and law marriage. We were
Speaker 4: a nobody, so we played on the same AAU team
Speaker 4: together and so we were really close.
Speaker 3: So he might have had a killed list too.
Speaker 1: So the killers was well, just people what ranked higher
Speaker 1: than you ranked.
Speaker 4: Higher, because I like, going into my sophomore year, I
Speaker 4: was probably ranked somewhere in like the top two hundred
Speaker 4: something like that, and then it kind of went up
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty and then by the time was
Speaker 4: a senior hit number one. But jo Jamaine was up there.
Speaker 4: Leicester Earl, Cory Ben Holloway, Corey Be Mike Baby, Mike Baby,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You know, last was you know,
Speaker 4: I tell you what, the first time I ever actually
Speaker 4: ever heard E forty was at an All American camp. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're all hanging out in dorms, and back then it
Speaker 4: was nothing but Biggie nos stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, So they were.
Speaker 4: Playing E forty and shooting crafts and I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I gotta show me what is what's going on right now?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: It was fun getting to know everybody you know, and
Speaker 4: then seeing them kind of we're all going since then.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys played in the McDonald's game together and Jack,
Speaker 1: how do you want MVP?
Speaker 3: Right? No, MVP?
Speaker 5: I should have won MVP. MVP then, see I'm glad
Speaker 5: you said that. Cod so on MVP Shahane Holloway. He
Speaker 5: had like ten turnovers too, bro. But you know what
Speaker 5: got an MVP? Remember the bounce passed Lester l and
Speaker 5: dunked on Box. I think that was the big play.
Speaker 5: But I had I led the game in scoring, actually
Speaker 5: was eight to ten from the field, three for three
Speaker 5: from the three point line. But our team me you
Speaker 5: ripped Jermaine O'Neill and gen Ilway.
Speaker 3: Crazy starting fire. That's great. I thought you did. No
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: So he loves the fact that you thought he should have.
Speaker 3: He said that that's all I wanted. He wanted.
Speaker 1: I don't want to about this before He's like, he ain't
Speaker 1: Holloway went, but Code knows I should have wanted.
Speaker 3: I did, He ain't wanted. Damn. It was dope, though.
Speaker 3: It was a great experience.
Speaker 5: Because our team, though you gotta let like me you Jamaine.
Speaker 1: Made a long career out of it, all of us, like.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Rip has had some videos remember his pops you should
Speaker 4: travel around with the camquorder all the time. Yes, And
Speaker 4: so he was showing me some some clips from some
Speaker 4: of his old footage and watching us knuckleheads walk around.
Speaker 5: I posted a picture recently of me you, Mike Bibbie
Speaker 5: and at the McDonald's game. That's crazy. That's what me
Speaker 5: and you first met. That's nuts. Yeah, that's we first met.
Speaker 5: Getting better, we getting better there.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit off camera when
Speaker 1: we were talking about Stephen A. Smith and kind of
Speaker 1: how the rolls reverse now and he's kind of almost
Speaker 1: in a player's perspective where he's getting criticized and everything.
Speaker 1: Was there ever anything as a player that you remember
Speaker 1: that was said? About you or written about you that
Speaker 1: really kind of stung and hurt throughout your career.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny all all of it? Does you
Speaker 4: know a lot of stuff said about me or selfishness
Speaker 4: type of stuff. It's like, bro, you can't win five rings,
Speaker 4: being self doesn't happen. But I get that's kind of
Speaker 4: become the Mantra's kind of become the slang or the
Speaker 4: binacular or the running joke or he doesn't pass and
Speaker 4: also crap, man, that's okay, you know, but I'll take
Speaker 4: those five rings, right, I'll.
Speaker 3: Take five a lot. I know me and Matt and
Speaker 3: I know you too.
Speaker 5: Like I've been misunderstood and not honestly for like I
Speaker 5: missed a lot of a couple of All Star appearances
Speaker 5: due to the brawl. Sure, you know, and I've been
Speaker 5: misunderstood because you know me, and you know, man, I'm
Speaker 5: not the person that they labeled me to be after that,
Speaker 5: after being a loyal teammate. What's the most misunderstood thing
Speaker 5: about you?
Speaker 3: I think it's that, man.
Speaker 4: I think it's the it's the selfishness or you know, arrogant,
Speaker 4: Well maybe not the arrogance.
Speaker 6: You have to be.
Speaker 3: You have to you have to be, you have to be.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, when I'm playing, it's a different
Speaker 4: side of it. I think it's the perception of the
Speaker 4: way I am on the court is the way I
Speaker 4: am off the court. It's two completely different things, man,
Speaker 4: two completely different things. I mean, I can be an
Speaker 4: absolute teddy beer at home with my family, with my
Speaker 4: kids and enjoying that family time, and I'm really psychotic
Speaker 4: about having that family time and making sure we're doing
Speaker 4: what we have to do as a family.
Speaker 3: But I'm doing school.
Speaker 4: Drop offs and pickups and you know, giving my babies
Speaker 4: a shower and doing all this stuff. Like I'm making
Speaker 4: sure I'm there for him as man's possible, right and so.
Speaker 4: But on the basketball court it's a completely different animal.
Speaker 4: And I think the biggest thing is, yeah, I see
Speaker 4: people saying, well, I don't like.
Speaker 5: Him, you know, and what okay, I mean, who are
Speaker 5: you right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: Like that sort of stuff. But it's all good. It
Speaker 4: comes with the territory.
Speaker 5: Have you have you have you ever shot an airball
Speaker 5: from the free throw line?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: So, how do you do you feel that you should
Speaker 5: be If you're a top ten player in the league,
Speaker 5: you should ever shoot the airball the free throw line.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it happens.
Speaker 4: You have it.
Speaker 3: I never have it. I've never been top ten.
Speaker 5: I don't think if you're a top ten player should
Speaker 5: never shoot a free airball free throw?
Speaker 3: Are you referring to something in particular?
Speaker 5: Just no people stars, all stars perier, because multiple all
Speaker 5: stars have done it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've I can only speak in personal experience, man,
Speaker 4: I haven't. I've never shot an airball from the free
Speaker 4: throw line. And okay you haven't.
Speaker 5: Okay, no, no, not even with my left not even
Speaker 5: my left hand.
Speaker 3: Right, all right?
Speaker 1: This year will be when juvene rolls around twenty years
Speaker 1: since you won your first title but immediately comes to
Speaker 1: your mind, crazy right, damn? Really yeah?
Speaker 3: Long time? Whoa? Oh man?
Speaker 4: Uh shit, No, I remember the just us, you know,
Speaker 4: being really excited that we got through Portland.
Speaker 1: There were times what we had we had Bonzie on Hue.
Speaker 1: He was telling us about that series.
Speaker 3: It was a nightmare.
Speaker 4: It was a nightmare matchup for me, man, because he
Speaker 4: was I was really scrawny in like one twenty soaking wet,
Speaker 4: and he was just trying to beat this ship out
Speaker 4: of me in the post and uh him Stacy Augman.
Speaker 4: They really helped me develop my post defensive presence because
Speaker 4: that was a weakness. I had to develop that quite
Speaker 4: a bit. But I remember just going into the Indiana series,
Speaker 4: we were just ready, We're confident, we knew how we
Speaker 4: wanted to execute, we knew what we needed to do,
Speaker 4: and we just try to take him out their sets
Speaker 4: as much as possible. Man, and then you know, Jalen
Speaker 4: split his foot, under mine and cast A series go
Speaker 4: a little longer than it should have, but ultimately we
Speaker 4: got it done.
Speaker 1: Any pregame rituals or superstitions that you had throughout.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have nothing. Just go out there.
Speaker 3: I go out and hoop, man like it.
Speaker 4: Like sometimes you know, like on game day, if I'm tired,
Speaker 4: I go to sleep.
Speaker 3: From that I won't and you never walk around.
Speaker 1: I walk around, So a pre game that wasn't essential
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: Nah, Like if I was tired, I'd go to sleep.
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I just wouldn't. You know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'd sleep like for fifteen minutes on the training
Speaker 4: table before a.
Speaker 1: Game, and that's all you need, just to reload.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I'm already in shape, I don't need
Speaker 4: to sleep to be in shape ready to go. I
Speaker 4: could run all day already. My stamina is already where
Speaker 4: it should be. So like whether or not I'm sleepy
Speaker 4: or not, like being sleepy and then being fatigued or
Speaker 4: two different things. I can play the game and be
Speaker 4: sleepy and not be fatigued.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 5: Interesting lowest moment, Like we know, we had a couple
Speaker 5: of lowest low moments in our career where you know,
Speaker 5: the things we control are it was our fault. What
Speaker 5: was a low moment in your career? I don't really
Speaker 5: say you haven't nothing. It was a couple of them. Well,
Speaker 5: losing to the Celtics and or eight was tough.
Speaker 4: But before that, like at the beginning of the journey,
Speaker 4: was not playing so coming in as a rookie and saying, man,
Speaker 4: if I knew the shit was gonna be like this,
Speaker 4: I would have went to school interest right, because I
Speaker 4: felt like my coach Del Harris at the time was
Speaker 4: trying to make sure he did not show favoritism to
Speaker 4: the young kid, and as a result, he swung completely
Speaker 4: the opposite direction and doing things that weren't really fair
Speaker 4: and I mean not playing you know, So like my
Speaker 4: first two three years were brutal.
Speaker 3: People don't know that. People don't people don't know that,
Speaker 3: people don't know you went through that your first three years. No,
Speaker 3: it was tough.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I sit around and watch all
Speaker 4: my peers going out there playing thirty five thirty seven minutes,
Speaker 4: you know, Ai ray Allen. They're all doing their thing.
Speaker 4: Shreef up, do right. Everybody's doing their thing, and I'm
Speaker 4: sitting here glued to the bench, getting really really pissed
Speaker 4: off and ticked off, thinking I should was just going
Speaker 4: to college. I mean that was the hardest part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was finally what was that breakthrough when it
Speaker 1: was okay that your number was called? Did someone get hurt?
Speaker 1: He finally trust to me?
Speaker 3: What was it doing the lockout season?
Speaker 4: When the season started, Rick Fox had playing off fast
Speaker 4: shot at some both feet, but he wanted to play
Speaker 4: somebody else in front of me, and that person got hurt,
Speaker 4: and so then he had no choice but to start me,
Speaker 4: but start me at small forward. And so this is
Speaker 4: when like small forwards was big small forward, yes, right hand,
Speaker 4: this is pit. This is like so I started the
Speaker 4: first whatever of ten games at small four. I think
Speaker 4: I started like like seven straight double doubles or something
Speaker 4: like that, and then I've been in.
Speaker 3: The start lineup every since, no looking back. But I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I might have who the hell knows how
Speaker 4: long when I came off the bench for injury.
Speaker 3: So crazy.
Speaker 1: It's really really rough, especially too. Like I said, I see,
Speaker 1: I got a different side because I went to UCLA
Speaker 1: almost parallel when you came to LA. So I would
Speaker 1: see you on campus. I would see you working out
Speaker 1: in the gym, and I would know, like, damn this motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: why is he not playing? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I looked at it from like a point of view,
Speaker 1: like I see this dude work out like people don't play,
Speaker 1: like he looks like Michael Jordan out there, Like I
Speaker 1: would see he would come in after our Ucla price.
Speaker 1: I remember one time you had broke your right hand
Speaker 1: and you came up to UCLA and did a whole
Speaker 1: workout left handed, like you were a left handed player,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what hole fucking Then the
Speaker 1: next season he came out shooting left handed shots, and
Speaker 1: people like, oh my god, he's this. I was like, No,
Speaker 1: he work that ship his whole time. He had this
Speaker 1: hand in the cast. If you watch all that from you,
Speaker 1: it was just mad, I'm not playing right.
Speaker 4: It's like you're sitting down, you're not playing, and you're
Speaker 4: watching everybody else kill the league when you know you
Speaker 4: should be doing that. It still pisses me off to
Speaker 4: this day because like, ultimately, you know, what numbers would
Speaker 4: you have put up on right, because everybody wants to
Speaker 4: go to that Let's go to career. Number's go to career. Somebodyish,
Speaker 4: somebody would have told me that back then. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So you know those three years of
Speaker 4: not playing and sitting on the bench and just watching frustrating.
Speaker 1: To what personal growth did you go through? From three
Speaker 1: people Shack he's gone until you won your next title
Speaker 1: with with Power and the.
Speaker 4: Crew, I understand how to connect the team more. I
Speaker 4: didn't have to with shock A. Shaq was the guy
Speaker 4: that connected everybody and you know, still drove a hard bargain,
Speaker 4: but he was the jovial one and connected everybody. And
Speaker 4: so I figure out how to do that do that
Speaker 4: in my own way, you know, with my sarcasm and
Speaker 4: you know, dry humor or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 4: and being authentic with guys, but still being able to
Speaker 4: build that relationship and understand and this is what it's about.
Speaker 4: And as a result, we wounded up having the closest team.
Speaker 4: That was the closest team I've ever played on. Man,
Speaker 4: it was, but that was the biggest change. What was
Speaker 4: Matt like as a teammate? You know, I played with
Speaker 4: him in Golden State as my brother. We've been through
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff on and off the quarte, our
Speaker 4: mom's best friend. I was with him during a tough
Speaker 4: time when he lost his mom.
Speaker 5: So our relationship is deeper than basketball. But what was
Speaker 5: he like as a teammate? Exactly what I thought he
Speaker 5: was gonna be.
Speaker 4: Feisty, yeah, tough, competitive, uh, and not afraid of big moments.
Speaker 4: You know, That's why I respected the most guys that
Speaker 4: aren't afraid. You gotta have some co honess and you're
Speaker 4: playing with me. Ain't got no co honess? Man, I ain't.
Speaker 4: I ain't.
Speaker 1: That kind of leads me to the next thing, because
Speaker 1: I think people think there's such a disconnect between you
Speaker 1: all because of this shit in Orlando.
Speaker 3: People really think that I wanted him because of what happened.
Speaker 1: He's like everybody says, like anyone crazy enough to fuck
Speaker 1: with me, is crazy enough to play with me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was funny though, because
Speaker 1: that was just a back and forth game, and that
Speaker 1: kind of just spoke to both of our competitiveness. You know,
Speaker 1: the year before, you guys had beat Orlando, so we
Speaker 1: come back the next year thinking, Okay, we're gonna play
Speaker 1: the Lakers again. We're getting towards the end of the season.
Speaker 1: It's a back and forth game. And I tell people
Speaker 1: when I played you, like I just look forward to
Speaker 1: it because I mean, everyone knows how fucking good you are,
Speaker 1: but you mentally attack people too. You do your little code.
Speaker 3: Shit where your elbow win and grabbing, knocking and win.
Speaker 1: L with me right here, and what you're talking about
Speaker 1: everything out of me everything, I kind of dunked it.
Speaker 3: Ell with me.
Speaker 1: I'm just like what the fuck? And I'm the one
Speaker 1: getting I'm the one to get in teased. So it
Speaker 1: just came to overhead. But like, man, I might have
Speaker 1: to fight this dude, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: fuck basketball, fuck everything. So the play was crazy because
Speaker 1: I literally just faked the ball and it wasn't like
Speaker 1: thought of or anything, and you and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how close it came to your face. Obviously you didn't move.
Speaker 1: But then when I I feel like that ship was
Speaker 1: I mean, like you just to that ship. This motherfucker
Speaker 1: might have been the only person on the planet like
Speaker 1: you flinched just off some regular ship. Like I put
Speaker 1: a whole basketball in his face after we had really
Speaker 1: been going through and he.
Speaker 3: Just I was.
Speaker 5: I was telling a story about we was in San Antonio.
Speaker 5: This my second time. I turned around shoot jump and
Speaker 5: you hit my whole arm.
Speaker 3: The referees right there don't call that. You take the ball.
Speaker 5: Haul the court right, So you know me, I'm always
Speaker 5: arguing with the ref I'm in the full argument with
Speaker 5: the ref but I'm guarding you at the same time.
Speaker 3: And so you start telling me you better pay attention, motherfucker,
Speaker 3: you better paying attention. So I'm arguing with the reff
Speaker 3: trying to listen to you. You shoot the motherfucker from
Speaker 3: the logo Nick give me a look. Then the referee
Speaker 3: give me the same look, like I'm like, so, look,
Speaker 3: this has made the worse. Then pops me right out.
Speaker 3: Of course a ship you're going for sixty nine. I
Speaker 3: can't get my get back, and man, I just try
Speaker 3: to fuck with y'all as much as possible.
Speaker 4: I knew if you know, like you know, y'all coaches
Speaker 4: pop gun, it's crazy awesome, but they're crazy yeah and
Speaker 4: a little you know yeah, yeah, So I just tried
Speaker 4: to do what I could to take you guys out
Speaker 4: of the game, you know, you know, even if it
Speaker 4: met like your replacement, Yes, I was coming. If you
Speaker 4: guys did a better job guarding me, yeah, then I'd
Speaker 4: be comfortable with that.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, yeah, let them come in and guard me.
Speaker 3: They do a much better job than these two guys
Speaker 3: and somebody else's. And then you wait and wait, and
Speaker 3: then you roast them. Yeah, you guys over there like
Speaker 3: the am I doing over here. That's how it happens
Speaker 3: a lot of long.
Speaker 1: But my whole thing with you was, you know, to me,
Speaker 1: you never a good defense, never gonna stop great office.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make you work, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So you know with me there was there
Speaker 1: was gonna be hard files. It's gonna be no easy layups.
Speaker 1: If you shot fake me too many times, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna find you. I'm just gonna fail you hard, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's what I explained to people, like,
Speaker 1: great offense is always.
Speaker 3: Going to be great defense.
Speaker 1: You just want to make them work for everything. So
Speaker 1: you scored thirty points, I wanted you to take thirty shots,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: So that was going back and forth and threes and
Speaker 3: go to states in LA. I made the first like
Speaker 3: are you serious? Half?
Speaker 1: Have you ever sat down and had like a real
Speaker 1: off the camera conbo with m.
Speaker 3: J Oh, yeah, what is that like looking in the mirror. No,
Speaker 3: it's fun. I mean it's fun. No, we're really different.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, Like he'll he'll compete to you anything, to you,
Speaker 3: y'all different, I guess. I mean like he'll compete with
Speaker 3: any and everything. I won't. I only compete with things
Speaker 3: that I really am good at. Like, I'm not just
Speaker 3: gonna compete on something you don't know. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to do that. Everything.
Speaker 4: You know, he'll uh, you know, he'll talk basketball all
Speaker 4: day long and not stopping comp What would have happened
Speaker 4: if you know my ninety one against your O three
Speaker 4: and you know, like what this is that?
Speaker 3: What would happened in your opinion?
Speaker 1: Come on, you can't ask him that, man, I want
Speaker 1: to know what been complete. Dominance would be a seven
Speaker 1: game series.
Speaker 4: With what he's out of the conversation with was well,
Speaker 4: I would have destroyed you. You know, listen, I just
Speaker 4: I just said, listen, just remember who you're talking to.
Speaker 4: You just started laughing. It was like, I'm just messing
Speaker 4: with you. I'm just messing with you. And then we
Speaker 4: just kind of moved on. Dope, But it had been
Speaker 4: it had been fun.
Speaker 3: That's dope, man.
Speaker 5: Just to even know that y'all had that conversation is dope.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: How bad? I remember playing with you. Your whole thing
Speaker 1: is that you said I want to sit at the
Speaker 1: table with MJ, meaning you wanted that six ring. What
Speaker 1: did it mean not to be able to get that? Oh?
Speaker 3: It pissed me off, you know, but things are what
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: You gotta you you push for a goal, and my
Speaker 4: original goal was to try to win Eat eight. And
Speaker 4: you push for it, and you push for and you
Speaker 4: push for and you do the best you can. But
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you can be comfortable
Speaker 4: with the results and where they landed and where they
Speaker 4: ended up, and so you know, that's the most important thing.
Speaker 4: That's why I can be really, really comfortable with the
Speaker 4: career that I've had because you know, I worked as
Speaker 4: hard as you possibly could.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: You and Shack were able to win three together. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's been back and forth of you know what he
Speaker 1: was like, which you were like whatever, But if you
Speaker 1: guys were on the same page connected mentally, how many
Speaker 1: do you realistic feel like you could have won?
Speaker 3: The probably?
Speaker 4: I mean San Antonio was tough. They were tough, and
Speaker 4: so like when the playoffs came around. Wasn't like Shaq
Speaker 4: and I weren't on the same page when the playoffs
Speaker 4: came around. We always went on the same page. We
Speaker 4: just got beat, you know what I'm saying. So like
Speaker 4: we've you know, the bigger question would should be how
Speaker 4: many would we have won.
Speaker 3: If the Spurs weren't the Spurs, because.
Speaker 5: You probably would have ran it decade. He was, he
Speaker 5: was killing he was by someth that year.
Speaker 4: He was lights out, he lights out right, and so
Speaker 4: the talent, the coaching, everything in San Antonio was kind
Speaker 4: of a perfect storm. And so if they weren't in
Speaker 4: the picture, we probably would have run ten in a row.
Speaker 4: And they probably say.
Speaker 3: The same thing about us that's crazy.
Speaker 5: You got a lot of young players that's reaching out
Speaker 5: to you. Now you know your advice to them, like,
Speaker 5: like what you tell them, like how does that feel?
Speaker 3: Depends what they ask me.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of them will come and ask about
Speaker 4: their game and things that they should do and things
Speaker 4: like that, and I say, listen, you gotta you know
Speaker 4: the answer to that. I don't know, Like, you know
Speaker 4: what makes you uncomfortable when you play? I mean, I
Speaker 4: think that's the biggest thing for kids nowadays, is that
Speaker 4: they want to rely on coaches too much and work
Speaker 4: out guys, you know, which is fine to have them
Speaker 4: help you work out, but you have to tell them
Speaker 4: what you need.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: You have to be able to say, Okay, I feel
Speaker 4: uncomfortable with this, and if you don't know, then you're
Speaker 4: not as prepared as you should be.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: You need to know what your strengths and weaknesses are first,
Speaker 4: and then you know, I can tell you some of
Speaker 4: the things, some of the rhythmic things, or some of
Speaker 4: the exercises of how much repetition you need to be
Speaker 4: doing on certain things.
Speaker 3: But you got to know your game.
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Though? Because you said, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously one of the greats, you know, is where you rank.
Speaker 1: But I really see, you know, with your academy out
Speaker 1: there in thousand others, like you open up your doors
Speaker 1: and your arms for players to come in. And where
Speaker 1: did that come from? That that giving back one from
Speaker 1: really well.
Speaker 3: The guys that came before did the same thing for me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I've had really end up conversations with Jay West and
Speaker 4: talking about thinks, same thing with MJ. I've had great mentors,
Speaker 4: Elijah One. I've had guys all time greats, Bill Russell,
Speaker 4: and we talked a lot about how to win championships,
Speaker 4: how to lead, and so I felt like it's my
Speaker 4: job to try to pass that information onto the next
Speaker 4: generation and then see the game develop and see it.
Speaker 3: Grow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's amazing to look back and see what some of
Speaker 4: these athletes are doing now right whether it's the generation
Speaker 4: of James Harden, Luka, Doncics now and some of the players, like,
Speaker 4: it's fun to sit back and watch the game grow.
Speaker 4: And that's why I do it.
Speaker 1: Who are some of the younger players or players in
Speaker 1: the league right now that you do follow when you
Speaker 1: get a chance to watch, you know what's.
Speaker 3: Funny, I wind up.
Speaker 4: So before Gigi got into basketball, I hardly watched it.
Speaker 4: But now she's in the basketball we watched on she wants.
Speaker 1: To watch it.
Speaker 3: It's on every night.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: It's on every night, and I mean every game.
Speaker 4: I mean she she asked me to get the lead
Speaker 4: pass on her phone and everything. She watches everything, so
Speaker 4: you know, we'll watch She likes. She likes watching Trey
Speaker 4: Young a lot. She watches Luca a lot. She watches James,
Speaker 4: she watches Russ, and she watches bron she watches, she.
Speaker 3: Watches who who you would watch?
Speaker 1: Watch?
Speaker 3: Watches who I would watch?
Speaker 4: I guess, I mean, And there's so many young talented
Speaker 4: players out there.
Speaker 3: It's it's amazing.
Speaker 4: And when I took it to the Laker game, that's
Speaker 4: the first Laker game I've been to, I since my
Speaker 4: jersey retirement. And we just had so much fun because
Speaker 4: for the first time I was seeing the.
Speaker 3: Game through her eyes.
Speaker 4: It wasn't me sitting there, you know, as an athlete
Speaker 4: or a player or something like that, and then you know,
Speaker 4: it's like about me, and I don't like that. It
Speaker 4: was her, like she was having such a good time
Speaker 4: and the players are coming.
Speaker 3: Up and saying how to her?
Speaker 4: And you know, and Brian was talking about her fade away,
Speaker 4: and you know it was it was exciting and she
Speaker 4: has such a great time.
Speaker 3: As a father.
Speaker 5: You just that's all you wants. Yes, yes, being the
Speaker 5: father with girls. I have girls, we both have girls.
Speaker 5: When it's time for that first day, they're gonna get
Speaker 5: that mom book eighty one point staff, you're gonna get
Speaker 5: the boy to the stad Like, look.
Speaker 3: Bro, I put eighty one on the court.
Speaker 5: Don't maybe put eighty one of these on you.
Speaker 8: You know, I think it's implied. Yeah, already implied, I think,
Speaker 8: you know, And I think Vanessa honestly drives a harder
Speaker 8: bargain than I do when it.
Speaker 3: Comes to that really that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you got to get past that line of
Speaker 4: defense face. Yeah, moms, you know that's national security.
Speaker 7: Past that.
Speaker 4: Now you have to deal with the real big, big,
Speaker 4: big dog. Yeah, it's gonna be nice, exactly so, but no,
Speaker 4: it's good man. We just try to raise our girls
Speaker 4: to be strong, independent women. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: hold themselves really high standards, self respect, things of that nature,
Speaker 4: and you just trust that you've raised.
Speaker 1: Them the right way you have been going for twenty years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me what that. I mean with the heart of
Speaker 1: your career and who you are. How what's your guy's
Speaker 1: a secret sauce? Man, nothing's perfect, but you guys haven't
Speaker 1: seem to make it work.
Speaker 4: Just commitment and competitiveness of we are going to succeed,
Speaker 4: you know. Like we've seen couples that have been like
Speaker 4: eighty five years old, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and you look at you're like, oh man.
Speaker 4: Such an old, sweet couple, you know, and all sort
Speaker 4: this stuff, and i'd go and I talk to them
Speaker 4: because I want to know what time I go. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's great, but I mean she just kicked me out
Speaker 4: of the bed last night. I'll sleep on the couch
Speaker 4: last minutes. I'm like, it don't change, man, it don't change.
Speaker 4: And married, you know, seventy something years, man, it doesn't change.
Speaker 3: So it's a.
Speaker 4: Constant up and down the ebb and flows of relationships.
Speaker 4: But that's also the beauty of it. And having the
Speaker 4: persistence and the determination to work through things, very very
Speaker 4: tough things.
Speaker 3: And we've been able to do that commitment, that commitment.
Speaker 1: So last thing before we get out of here, the
Speaker 1: state of the Lakers with a D and Lebron. I
Speaker 1: think they've turned the corner. You know, hats off to
Speaker 1: Rob in the front office, who've kind of orchestrated this team.
Speaker 1: But what do you think first of them as a
Speaker 1: duo within the state of the Lakers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think I think people got to uh
Speaker 4: uh she really seeing Rob's praises.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because I mean they were they were like killing them.
Speaker 1: I was one of the people, like I said when
Speaker 1: I spoke, because you know me, I'm straight from the cuff,
Speaker 1: you know, even though I know Rob and I've seen
Speaker 1: him at games that we shook hands since. But I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, it looks like a disaster
Speaker 1: right now, and they navigated through and put parts together
Speaker 1: that work.
Speaker 3: They've seen a big picture when nobody else didn't. But
Speaker 3: but that's the point though, right being able to stay
Speaker 3: the course.
Speaker 4: And you know, Rob and I have talked about this
Speaker 4: stuff like we ain't not talk We don't talk about
Speaker 4: you know, this move with that move. It's more so
Speaker 4: him as a friend. It's just saying, Rob, you've been
Speaker 4: there with me. Now it's just you going through it
Speaker 4: and you know how we handle it is you just
Speaker 4: stay the course, all this storm's going on and you
Speaker 4: just stay here, just do your job, do your job,
Speaker 4: do your job, do your job. But man, I mean
Speaker 4: what he's done with that team in two years and
Speaker 4: the contract that they once had and were tied up
Speaker 4: to to what they have on this roster now. I
Speaker 4: mean they're the biggest team that I've probably ever seen.
Speaker 4: Their length, big, tough, tough athleticism, So they look fantastic.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing for.
Speaker 4: Them, and what they really need to invest in is health,
Speaker 4: making sure the strength training is where it should be,
Speaker 4: making sure physically they're always where they should be.
Speaker 3: They got Judy over there.
Speaker 4: Judy, she's the best, and so I think that's the
Speaker 4: biggest thing for them.
Speaker 3: It's just health.
Speaker 4: If they're healthy, you know it's gonna you know, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a hell of a freeway series here that you.
Speaker 1: Feel like it's gonna be Lakers and Clippers coming out.
Speaker 3: Of the way.
Speaker 4: It looks like it. It looks like it. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know that that Clippers team is well put together too.
Speaker 4: They got dogs, man, they ain't scared of nothing.
Speaker 5: Before the close on the show previous I sent a
Speaker 5: shout out.
Speaker 3: So me and my sons were trying to find this
Speaker 3: undefeated pack.
Speaker 5: Okay, you gotta stip send me in the right direction, bro,
Speaker 5: we need them.
Speaker 1: The right direction is right here. Yeah, right depends.
Speaker 5: As soon as I walked in, the person got dust,
Speaker 5: the ones off, you got on.
Speaker 3: I'm a big time.
Speaker 5: Shoe fan of yours, bro, but the undefeated pack, I
Speaker 5: need them, We need.
Speaker 1: This is great new This is Jack begging segment has
Speaker 1: a segment with tails m J. I need my boxes back.
Speaker 1: So you were next on the list, man, but we
Speaker 1: just wanted We really appreciate your time. Man.
Speaker 3: I'm having it. Bro. I can't believe YouTube guys are
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing it good, doing it great. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap episode eleven.
Speaker 6: Uh Man.
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