1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: Hello Almost Famous listeners. We have a very special guest today. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: Brayden Bowers is here, the man of the hour. If 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: you watch The Bachelorette, Ben is not here, so it's 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: just me and Braden and Braiden. If you were to 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: follow our podcast, which we do not expect at all, 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: you would know that you're probably going into one of 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: your easiest exit interviews this week. Because I have not 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: given you a lot of flack when lots of other 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: outlets have. I've just felt like, Okay, yes, you've made 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: some mistakes, but you've also been really honest along the way. 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: How are you feeling now that you can kind of 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: tell the world that you are not the man for charity? 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: Honestly, there's a part of me to still like that 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: has that disappointment factor, to be honest, I think, yeah, 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: I mean I really did have a connection with her, 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: and I think like, I think the appointment factor was 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: like I just got in my head too much, and 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: so it's like there's just that, like, you know, it 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: was something I want to learn and grow from, like 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: not get in my head so much in the future. 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: And pursuing future relationships. 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: But there's definitely a level of disappointment disappointment in that 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: in that aspect. 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, we're your answer there in a second, 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: but I have to ask first to really set the 28 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: stage here. Have you watched the show before? Has your 29 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: mom watched the show like a close friend? How familiar 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: were you before going on? 31 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I've actually I haven't ever sat down and 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: watched a full episode of the show. 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple like clips in passing. 34 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 3: Just because my little sister's a huge fan, and then 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: my old roommates were a huge fans, but I've never 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: actually seen the whole thing. 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: And you can kind of tell at the idea was 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: all right. 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: So last week you kind of called out one of 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: my very close friends and a Bachelor Nation royalty honestly, 41 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: Nick viall because he's been giving you some crap on 42 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: it podcast and you said, who's Nick. Now, half the 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: fandom thinks that you're being sarcastic, and that half the 44 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: fandom might just think you don't know, which is totally legit. 45 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: What's the truth. 46 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: Honestly, I wish I could say I knew, and I 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: wish I could say that I was just being sarcastic, 48 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: but I really I didn't even know who Nick was. 49 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know he was talking smack on me. I 50 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: hadn't seen anything. It was, honestly just I didn't know 51 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: who it was. So I feel like I wish I 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: could claim that I was sarcastic and it was like 53 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: a clap back, but it wasn't. 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was. 55 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so then my my other question has to 56 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: do with the same I guess it's gonna be the 57 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: same answer. I've been saying that this week, you reminded 58 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: me so much of one of the Ultimate villains, Chad Johnson, 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: because they go to the wood. Do you know who 60 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: Chad Johnson is? 61 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: So someone one of the producers told me stories about 62 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: him and how he like hooped his pants mixt like 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: Chris Harrison. 64 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: That there's there's definitely some things that happened that may 65 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: have been paradise moment. What I'm referring to is on 66 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: JoJo's season, they went to the woods in the middle 67 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: of nowhere, and then he like ate an apple really obnoxiously, 68 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: kind of the way that you ate the food that 69 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: you found out in the Woods, and you were like 70 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 2: making fun of like the guy's butch in the way 71 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: that he would make fun of him. And I see 72 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: some humor in that. For sure. It's good for the audience. 73 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: But you have to go back and watch Chad Johnson's 74 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 2: episode because you were taking some serious direct cues from him. 75 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I yeah, I don't. I didn't know that. 76 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: That's uh did they tell you to eat like the 77 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: ratish or whatever? 78 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: That was obnoxiously So the thing the thing about the 79 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: Ratish that was funny is like I was a. 80 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: It was a radish, I think it was. It was. 81 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: It was a beat. It was a beat, Okay, it was. 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: It was pretty sweet, so it was good. But it 83 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: was good for anyone asking it was actually tasty, But no, 84 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: it was. It was funny because we actually were we 85 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: were eating apples up in the room and I had 86 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: watched like a show when I was younger tho I 87 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: won on one not sure here watched it and it's 88 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: like basically there's like a clip about how you can tell, yeah, 89 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: how good of a kisser is by. 90 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: The way they eat an apple. And I was like, 91 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: and I made a joke. 92 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: It didn't make the screen time, but I was like, hey, 93 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: can you guys tell him a good kisser? And like 94 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: I was eating the beat like it was a joke. So, 95 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: like everyone, it didn't make the full cut. 96 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha. A lot of moments are ruined by the cut. Okay, 97 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: So this is all very interesting. So then my like 98 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: the most general question is probably just like, okay, so 99 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: you had to know the premise of the show was 100 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: that you're supposed to, quote quote be ready to get 101 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: engaged at the end of it, and you didn't seem 102 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: to be on board with the premise at all. But 103 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 2: did you know that that was the expectation it was, Yeah. 104 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: I did, and honestly I thought that I thought I 105 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: could get there. I definitely had like my reservations coming 106 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: into it. I was like, it was kind of like 107 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: if it happens, it happens, and as it was like 108 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: an all or nothing get married or you know what 109 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it was like and I think that's more 110 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: what kind of shocked me is it was like the 111 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: hyper focus. 112 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: On the engagement over connection. 113 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: Like there was a time when some of the guys 114 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 3: were like, she didn't come here for a connection, she 115 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: came here for an engagement and they're they're like, oh, 116 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: she couldn't. 117 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: He couldn't be as opposite of that, and like, I disagree. 118 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: I think she did come there for a connection, because 119 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: we can't have an engagement without a connection. And so 120 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: I think my biggest point of contention with the guys 121 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: was just that, like they were so like talking about 122 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: this engagement, saying we need to get to this point 123 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: of engagement, and they never even considered worrying about like 124 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: actually getting to know her. You know, I made a 125 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: comment like they didn't even know her favorite color, Like 126 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: like they weren't asking these questions like what her favorite 127 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: food was, like you know, what her favorite animal was, 128 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: like what she had fears of and stuff like that, 129 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: and some of the guys did. I mean, I got 130 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: to give a shout out to DWT and like he 131 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: really genuinely just like you know, he like watching him back, 132 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: he had those conversations with her and he didn't get 133 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: caught up in the drama and stuff like that. So 134 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: I have to say, like some of the other guys, 135 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: I mean they had they weren't. 136 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so this is where I kind of agree 137 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: with you. And this is also a Chad Johnson moment 138 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: where I was like, this guy has been using Chad 139 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: as his role model because Chad had this song or 140 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: he he watched the other guys sing a song about 141 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: Jojo after like three days of knowing her, and he's like, 142 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: how weird and creepy is that these guys are making 143 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: up songs about a girl that they basically just said 144 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: hello to. 145 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was just bizarre. It was like 146 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: they came in I think. I mean, I guess I can. 147 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't I have to. 148 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: I don't want to say I can relate to Chad 149 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: Johnson yet, because again, I haven't seen his eyes. 150 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to directly compare you to Chad either, 151 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: because that would be unfair to you. He's a whole 152 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: other level. I don't consider you anywhere near. 153 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: Okay, well I appreciate that, but I mean I could 154 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: see that, like they were coming in there day one 155 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: like oh, I'm ready to get married to Charity. I'm like, dude, 156 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: you haven't even met her yet, like you know what 157 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: I mean. It was just like I didn't even understand 158 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: like like how they could be in that place, you 159 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it's like, you know, I 160 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: I've heard like the attrition rate of like relationships after 161 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: the Bachelorette, and like for me, it's like, if I 162 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 3: was going to get engaged, I wanted I wanted it 163 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: to last, you know what I mean, Like I don't 164 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: want to just get. 165 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: Engaged for a show or anything like that. 166 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: And I feel like the guys were just in the 167 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: place where they're wanting to get engaged just to get engaged, 168 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: and that's not my heart was at. 169 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: So I just couldn't. I couldn't. I don't know, I 170 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: couldn't relate to them. 171 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying things on air, even if the 172 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: premise of the show is to hopefully end in marriage. 173 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: I do think that like the focus is on that 174 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: a little bit too early on, and I think it 175 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: can get like it just can get a little strange. However, 176 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: you know, you know how it goes, and people love 177 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: to focus people. The cast loves to focus on that. 178 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: They love to villainize a person who says like, can 179 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: we just not talk about engagement right now because like 180 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: she's dating, like you said, about twenty other people right now. 181 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm I don't want to, you know, like 182 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: shade at anyone but at the same time, like if 183 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: you looked at the previews, I wasn't the only one 184 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: that turned out to be having a little bit of. 185 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: Doubts about engagement. 186 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: Like, see, these guys came at me, These guys came 187 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: at me and wanted to, like, you know, wanted to 188 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: just like you know, I don't even know right, Yeah, 189 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: they were they had the same reservation guide did they 190 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: just they lied and they didn't, you know, step up 191 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: to the play and say they did. You know, We're like, oh, 192 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: I have no doubts about you, Charity, I have no 193 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: doubts that I want you to meet my family. 194 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: And then it's like, I don't know if I want, 195 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: but I don't know, hypocritical a little bit, maybe I 196 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: don't know. 197 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: Uh huh, Okay, Well, you did end up getting a 198 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: little caught up in the idea that you couldn't do 199 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: it relatively early on, became a point of contention with 200 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: the guys, and then worrisome to Charity. You sit down 201 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: with her and then the conversation kind of goes to 202 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: you a self eliminating Did you would you call yourself 203 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: a self eliminator or do you think it was more 204 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: of a mutual decision. What did we miss if anything 205 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: from TV. 206 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: I would say, I don't know. I think. 207 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: There's a level of self elimination, a self a level 208 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: of her like, you know, realizing that she couldn't reach 209 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: me where I was at, like I just like kind 210 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: of closed off and just saying, hey, I'm gonna walk 211 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: you out. 212 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: I realized that I can't keep doing going down this road, 213 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: and so it. 214 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: Was like I think it was more of a mutual decision, 215 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: I would like to say, just because it's like I 216 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: realized that, like I kept trying to be okay with 217 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 3: the process. 218 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: I mean, my my journey through the Bachelor. 219 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: It was like I know people didn't get to see, 220 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: but like that night one when I got the like, yeah, 221 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: I got the first impression ro I was and that 222 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: was great, But it was like there was a level 223 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: of that where I it didn't necessarily feel that a 224 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: main way I got the like I like I went 225 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: from being on cloud and I because we have this 226 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: bomb like amazing connection and then all of a sudden, 227 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: I thought I was like the biggest dick in the world, 228 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: and I thought I had like disrespected her, and I 229 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: thought I was getting sent home and all of a sudden, no, 230 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: I was actually I actually made her feel good. And 231 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: then like the next week and so it's just like 232 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 3: there was like a lot like every week, I kept 233 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: getting caught up in this drama and I wasn't sure 234 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: if I was doing it. I mean, I was doing 235 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: it to myself because I just talked too much. I 236 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: guess like I was just like too open with everyone there. 237 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 238 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: It's just like I I realized that I because I 239 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: kept having all this drama, I couldn't get out of 240 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: my head and there was way that I was going 241 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: to be able to get to the point to get 242 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: the knee at the end of this experience, and that's 243 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: what she wanted and I couldn't give it to her. 244 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: So I didn't want to waste her time. And I 245 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: think she just realized that I came to that conclusion 246 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: and there was no reaching, justigating decisions. 247 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: Do you feel like getting the first impression Rose put 248 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: a target on your back? 249 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it did. 250 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 3: It was It was bizarre because like one of the 251 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: craziest things for. 252 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: Me is Aarond. 253 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: We were in the limo together and he had come 254 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: up to me and he was like, oh, we're San 255 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: Diego boys, Like we're we live right up the street. 256 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: Like I want to get you, you know, I want 257 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: to get you plugged in with my people all hanging 258 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: out and I'm like, okay, like cool dude, Like it's 259 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: nice to meet you. Man, Like you know, it's like okay. 260 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: Also like we're gonna be burrows or whatever. And then 261 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: like and then just to see that night one him 262 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: saying he was going to war with me. 263 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: I had no idea I was going to war. 264 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: Like I was. 265 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, okay, this guy came 266 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: up to me, he shook my hand and he was 267 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: my friend. And it's like for me, it's like I guess, 268 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: like I'm a very what you see is what you 269 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: get kind of personal, Like what I say to your 270 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: face is what I'm saying behind, you know, behind closed doors. 271 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 3: Like even those like roasts I did of Sean and 272 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: stuff like that. I told Sean to his face off 273 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: those roosts. 274 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: I didn't. I've done the same. 275 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: Stuff, the butcher thing. 276 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the butchon. 277 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: I actually it might have gone a little bit worse 278 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 3: because I was like I brought some toilet paper out. 279 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: I like here you go, bro, And it was like 280 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of fun. But uh, they. 281 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: Might have cut that part as long as he was 282 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: down to make fun of himself. Plus, usually a chin 283 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: dimple is a nice thing on a man. 284 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: No, it is, he's a good like. The thing was 285 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: is he's a good looking dude, you know what I mean. 286 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: It was like and I said that. I was like, Bro, 287 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: you're you're uncomfortably good looking. Bro, Like I wish I 288 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: looked like you, you know. 289 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: But it was just like again, we were roasting each other, 290 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: like you know when you're when you're alone and you're 291 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: like joking. 292 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: Around and you do like everyone's joking, but it was 293 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: just like it was kind of like crazy to only 294 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: seeing my jokes being said. 295 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, this is not a good monk. 296 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: You know. 297 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: Do you think that maybe you were a little bit 298 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: more villainized because there wasn't truly somebody who was really 299 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: creating chaos? 300 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 3: See, yeah, I think the villain of Theson didn't necessarily. 301 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: I actually think the villain of the season did create chaos. 302 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not. 303 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: Gonna say who, I think that somebody to I think 304 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: that the true villain of like in my opinion of 305 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 3: who I thought the villain of the season was. I mean, 306 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: I think he's shown himself already, and I think he's 307 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: been a root of some of the drama. 308 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: But I think I think people will be able to 309 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: see a little bit more later on. 310 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: I wonder who that could be if that is Aaron 311 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: b do you how do you how do you see 312 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: your maybe stinted paradise, because I'm gonna heavily presume that 313 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: you're going to paradise with him, to be if he 314 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: were to go to Paradise as well and not make 315 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: it to the end of this thing with Charity. 316 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm I mean, I'm not really the type of person 317 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: holding any gradges, you know what I mean, Like, I like, 318 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: I don't have any bad blood. I was ready to 319 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: fight him when I was leaving, and like everyone's like, oh, 320 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: violence isn't the option, Violence isn't the answer. 321 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: IM like, no, sometimes I feel like it is. You know. 322 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: I was really like I tried to walk away from 323 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: that situation, and like he had followed me to the 324 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: car and he had like like literally like my back 325 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: was against the wall kind of situation. 326 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, dude, Like this is enough. 327 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: Like this is where I'm gonna fight, and so like 328 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: I I definitely at that point, I was definitely. But 329 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: I have no bad blood, I have no no bad 330 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: wishes for him. I wish him the best of everything. 331 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: But I just we just didn't see eye to eye. 332 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 3: I just felt like he was kind of being you 333 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: know again, I just didn't. 334 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: Agree with the way he went about a lot of things. 335 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: But first it started out with what's his name? Who 336 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: like really had a vendetta for you early on? Oh, Adrian, Adrian? Yeah, 337 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: So how did it move over to Aaron? 338 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: I think it was just I don't know. I think 339 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 3: it was funny because like he who said it. But 340 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: someone came up to me and they're like, they're like, 341 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: Adrian took a shot and he missed, and I'm like, okay, bro, 342 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 3: and I'm like and then I guess he just realized 343 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: that he wasn't gonna, like, I don't know, take me down, 344 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 3: I guess or anything. And so someone else wanted to 345 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 3: take another shot, and then all of a sudden, all 346 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: ten guys were taking shots at me, and I'm like, dang, 347 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: here we go like I'm a fighting one on ten. 348 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: So you end up interrupting John during his one on 349 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: one time with Charity to basically say I'm sorry to 350 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: Charity about just how everything went down. You weren't asking 351 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: to come back or were you secretly trying to ask 352 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: to come back? And we didn't really gather that. 353 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: No, I wasn't really asking to come back. 354 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: And like also, like, I mean, I know, I know 355 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: he's saying I was interrupting him, but I don't know 356 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: if you guys saw, but I was. I was standing 357 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: there for like a cool five to ten minutes watching 358 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: their whole conversation, like it was very uncomfortable. Like I mean, 359 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: I watched him talk about like the family, their interests, 360 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: all that stuff, and then all of a sudden saw 361 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: him making out in front of. 362 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: Me, And I'm like, dude, like I didn't I didn't 363 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: interrupt your conversation. 364 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: I let you finish. I let you finish to the 365 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: point where you guys were wiping the makeup on your 366 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: face and you're about to go back to the guys 367 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: Like that was terrible, Like you know how like I 368 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: talked about it a little bit, it's crappy to watch 369 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: the person you like kiss someone else, Like you know 370 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: what I mean? And I understood that I was leaving. 371 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: At that point, I had nothing to really stay like. 372 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: I just wanted to apologize, and I didn't want to 373 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: interrupt a connection she seemed to be formal with John. 374 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: So I literally sat there and just like I took 375 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: it on the chin. I felt, I just watch it. 376 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: I was like, this sucks so bad. So I don't 377 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: feel like I interrupted him again. It may look like 378 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: I did. He may feel I did, and I'm sorry 379 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: that he feels I interrupted, but I tried to make 380 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: him could well. 381 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: I'm also sure it wasn't your choice as to when 382 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: you were to come and give your apologize, So no 383 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: comments on that, but that it's true you did if 384 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: you did stand back for so long. We did see 385 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: a little snippet of you waiting there in the wings, 386 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: and Ben and I aret, well, we both agreed, but 387 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: like argued for your sake that like they were just 388 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: in the middle of making out, and the making out portion, 389 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: especially on the show, always wraps up the conversation. They 390 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: weren't going to be saying anything more. 391 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean again, everyone, I think it was 392 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: just like I think everyone saw me as the villain, 393 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: so everyone's gonna hoping on that trend and just like 394 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: again trying to you know, validate themselves a little bit 395 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: more by you know, saying, oh, yeah, he's such a 396 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: bad guy. 397 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know, they got to do what they 398 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: got to do. 399 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: I guess, out of all the comments that you've seen 400 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: from social media the media about you being on the show, 401 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: what has hurt you or shocked you the most? 402 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: Nothing's really like, nothing really hurt me too much. 403 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: The worst comment that I got so far on social 404 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: media had to be someone that said that they had 405 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: cancer in twenty seventeen and seeing me on TV was worse. 406 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: What in the f Yeah, that is just the strangest 407 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: thing ever. Okay, well, I'm glad that you are handling 408 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: it like a cham and it sounds like you're in 409 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: the spirits possibly being able to go to Bachelor in Paradise, 410 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: which has already filmed wild the cast has been back 411 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: for quite some time now. If you do go to Paradise, 412 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: which I know you cannot confirm or deny at this point, 413 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 2: are there any girls in the community that you know 414 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: that you'd be interested in. 415 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: Honestly, I would have to go back and watch the 416 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: Zach season because I have not, Like I mean, I 417 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: don't really know too many of the girls at all, 418 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: but I know a lot of them get pulled from 419 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: the Zach season, and so if I go to Paradise, 420 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: I definitely have to watch and see possibly who I 421 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: could talk because I hadn't really watched all the ZAC 422 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: seasons entirely. I watched the hometowns to see who Charity 423 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: was and we get to know more about her, and 424 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: then I watched her one on one date with that 425 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: version with the piggyback rind and stuff. But I only 426 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 3: watched her episodes before I came in the show, So 427 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: I don't I don't really, I don't really know it'so 428 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: much about the other girls. But I'm gonna go and 429 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: do my homeworkt and hopefully and hopefully watch a couple 430 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: more episodes of Pairs and try to understand what the 431 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: concept is, because you know, we know I already one 432 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: show not understanding what was going on. 433 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that in another. 434 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 2: Paradise is a lot less serious about the engagement at 435 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: the end, especially as seasons go on and they see 436 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 2: that there's a high success rate, myself included, when they 437 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: let people have their time post show to get engaged 438 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: and more of a quote normal person timeline. What will 439 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: you change behaviorally if you go to Paradise or will 440 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: you stay true to the braidon that we saw on 441 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: Charity season. 442 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: I don't know I would. I'd like to try to 443 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: change some things maybe if I do go on. 444 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. 445 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: I I don't know. I don't really think I'm going 446 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 3: to change too much. I'm gonna try to be nicer. 447 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: I'm going to be trying to be more considerate and 448 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: not roast too often. But it's like it's hard because 449 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: it's like joking around with people's fuck you know. Maybe 450 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: they might just not throw all my jokes in it. 451 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: That'd be kind of nice, But I think i'd be 452 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: I think i'd worry more about, like, you know, interacting 453 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: with others. Maybe I don't know. I guess I don't know. 454 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: I don't I'd have to have to hit the hit 455 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: the playbook or drawing board on that one. 456 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. 457 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: Right well, I hope that you and Aaron b if 458 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: you both do go, have different tastes in women, because 459 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: a love triangle between you guys would hurt and as 460 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: you said could end in a fight, a physical fight. Anyway, 461 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: let's move on to I should love that, I should 462 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 2: know we've we've seen it can get real hot in 463 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: paradise in many ways. You mentioned at the top of 464 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: our show that you still sort of have like these 465 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: lingering feelings and doubts as far as as far as 466 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: you're leaving charity as early as you did. So give 467 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: me elaborate on this, Like do you think about her often? 468 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: Do you really wonder what if and if she were 469 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: to not end up like let's just say, I don't 470 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: know for any I don't know for certain that she 471 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: ends up with anybody, but if she does, let's just 472 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 2: say down the road they don't make it. Is that 473 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: like somebody you're gonna think, like, oh, I should reach 474 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: out to them. 475 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so one thing that like one of 476 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: the reasons why I also came back and apologized. I 477 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: don't think it made the cut of the show, but 478 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: like one thing that happened was when I was leaving 479 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: and I gave her a hug before I got in 480 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: a limo or the suburban the first time, and I 481 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: was just like, hey, like you I know that I 482 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: couldn't handle it here, but I wish you the best 483 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: of this, but if it doesn't work out, I'm not 484 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: you know, maybe connect again and see if something could 485 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: happened on the outside. And I really didn't mean that, 486 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: like me and her had at least for me. I 487 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: mean again, I felt like we had chemistry. I had 488 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: so much fun every time I was hanging out with here. 489 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: I think she was a good woman. I really enjoyed 490 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: my time that I got to spend with her. It was 491 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: just again like I got so caught up. And that's 492 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 3: the part, the part that I'm disappointed in is I 493 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: got so caught up and it's like I got caught 494 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: up in the drama with the other guys, and it's 495 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 3: like instead of just like ignoring them or like not 496 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: interacting with them, which what I should have done, you know, 497 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: is just kind of focused on was talking to her 498 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: and not like really engaging with them, I let them 499 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: get in my head or not, Yeah, I let them 500 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: get in my head. And it kind of like is 501 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: what ended up leading to me what I feel like 502 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: ended up leading to me just like leaving the experience 503 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: because it's like I liked her, I just was like 504 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: I just I couldn't get over, like I guess, like 505 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: seeing some of the guys that she was picking to, 506 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: it just frustured me because I'm like, how. 507 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: Can you pick this guy? 508 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: Like like this guy is like I don't you know 509 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: what I mean, like you have I think Aaron said 510 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: it about me and I I mean I felt the. 511 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: Same about her. This guy should not me here, you 512 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 513 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: And when you see someone here there that you don't 514 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: feel like should be there, it's just like so frustured, 515 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: like how do you like that guy be At the 516 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: same time, you know what I. 517 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: Mean, everybody who's done the show, we've all felt that 518 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: way at one point or another. Do you regret kissing 519 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: and telling so much? Especially up front that first night? 520 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: So that first night, I mean, I don't I can't 521 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: give away too much, but like, uh, everyone saw me 522 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: kiss her, Like the thing was like, so I know that, 523 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: I know that. 524 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: It looks like I was going around town to everyone, 525 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah I kissed. 526 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: Her and stuff, and I did, like I was really 527 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: excited about kissing her, but a lot of people were like, 528 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: I saw your kiss. 529 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: I was it, And I was. 530 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: Like, oh, it was really good, you know, like for me, 531 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 3: like if like I knew they saw me kiss her, 532 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: like she knew they saw me kiss her, and it 533 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 3: was like again like they were people came up to 534 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: me and were asking me like, oh I saw your 535 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: kiss I wasn't or like you know, and even in 536 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: one of the clips you hear Caleb say, He's like, 537 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: oh I heard you got a snooch, and I'm like, yeah, awesome. 538 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: You know, it's like I don't know, like if like 539 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: if people asking, I guess maybe that's maybe I won't 540 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: do that in the future if people ask me if 541 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: I kissed someone, I'll just say no, I didn't kiss 542 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 3: but like I don't know, And then I feel like 543 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: that could have been spun around another way too, like oh, 544 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: he's denying that he kissed you, but everyone saw him 545 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: kiss you. 546 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: Is he ashamed and saying he kissed you? You know what 547 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean? 548 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, like it was a lose lose 549 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 3: like people are gonna like people are gonna be upset 550 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: anyways because they saw me kiss her, and it was 551 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: like they were upset that I guess, right. 552 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. 553 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: I don't know I see that. So I think that 554 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: if you find the love of your life on this show, 555 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: which I did, and I felt it at first sight. 556 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: Now I love it first I don't think that all marriages, 557 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: like long term marriages, have to be like a love 558 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: at first sight situation. I believe that like love can 559 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: definitely grow. That's how it was for my husband. But 560 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 2: I do think that, like in my case, seeing him, 561 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: even as hard as it would be if he were 562 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: the lead and I had to watch other people date 563 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: him and go through that whole process, I would sacrifice 564 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: that and like go through all that pain in order 565 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 2: to be with him at the end. So that makes 566 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: me feel like you just ultimately didn't think that charity 567 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: was your person. 568 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's I think that's a fair I 569 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: think that's a fair perspective. 570 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I I could see how, you know, people 571 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 3: could say, like you know, love like love enders all, 572 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 573 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: It's like, I know that's a that's a that is all. 574 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a verse. 575 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: But in the Bible, I'm not sure, but I think 576 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 3: love NDErs is like, uh, is definitely something and I 577 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: don't know it was just I I guess. 578 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, that's okay. 579 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: Obviously, maybe like I could handle seeing it. I don't know, 580 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: It's just like if. 581 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: It was a different girl, like maybe you could have 582 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: handled it longer. 583 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it was. 584 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: It was also just really close to home with some 585 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: previous stuff that I had experienced in a past relationship, 586 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 3: as far as like having someone that I love, you know, 587 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: like knowing that she was with other people, you know 588 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 589 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: And I thought, like. 590 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: Coming into like I'd gone to counseling and I'd gone 591 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: and talked to someone and like, you know, really tried 592 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: to handle a lot of like you know, the trauma 593 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 3: of like you know, having someone to cheat on you 594 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 3: and things like that, and I thought I had dealt 595 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: with it. But when I got in this situation and 596 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: I'm seeing someone say that they have this connection with 597 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: me and kissing other people at the same time, I 598 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: know it's not the same. Because you know, again that 599 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: we signed up for the show. We all came in 600 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: with the understanding that that's what was going to happen. 601 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 3: But when I saw it, I reacted in a different 602 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: way than what I thought I was going to react 603 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: to it, you know what I mean? 604 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 605 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 3: Like I I truly thought that I had dealt with 606 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: all that stuff that I had already dealt with it, you. 607 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: Know what I mean. 608 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and like but I realized that I hadn't 609 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 3: dealt with it, and I wasn't okay with it, and 610 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: I couldn't get myself to be okay with it, Like 611 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 3: it just it. 612 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: Kept making me. 613 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 3: It brought up a lot of old feelings and a 614 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: lot of old emotions of feeling like, you know, unimportant 615 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: and insignificant stuff like that. And so I think that's 616 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: a lot of why you see me react the way 617 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 3: I do. And it's not an excuse. Like again, like 618 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: I knew it, Like I knew she was gonna kissing 619 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: other people. I should have came in and like been 620 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: flying with it. But again, like you can think you're 621 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: going to react in like one way when you're in 622 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: the situation and you're experiencing it and you're acting a 623 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: whole difference. 624 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't. 625 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: Want to necessarily say that it wasn't that I didn't 626 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: have feelings for charity, because I did. But you know, 627 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: maybe maybe I will meet that one person some day 628 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: that could do something like that. 629 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: I mean, i'd be okay with that I don't know. 630 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: You know, It's like, I don't know. 631 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: I totally understand being on the show. I definitely reacted 632 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: in situations a lot crazier than I would think I 633 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: would before getting into it, right, all right. So I'm 634 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: thinking though that those experiences that you did have going, 635 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: you know, previous, did they possibly play a role of 636 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: the way you responded when she had the on stage 637 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: kiss competition with Joey, Because after that you pulled her 638 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 2: aside and said, like, I didn't like the way that 639 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: you went with that. If you had been the bachelor 640 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: in that moment and you were given that staged moment, 641 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: real produced moment a game show, how would you responded. 642 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't that she kissed Joey for five minutes. I like, 643 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: that wasn't where my issue was. 644 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like it was doing it like on 645 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: stage in front of all the guys. 646 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the guys having a front and center. 647 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 3: And I mean, I I mean, I know we can 648 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: all say how we would react or what we would 649 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: do in that situation. I would like to think that 650 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: if I was in that situation, I would have filled 651 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: the producers to like, you know, have the guys go 652 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: first and leave and like let it be a private 653 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: moment between me and the person. But I mean again, 654 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: like I like, I do want to address one thing 655 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: on that. Like a lot of people said that I 656 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 3: called her class list. I never said she classes. I 657 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 3: said that I felt like the I felt like the 658 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: situation was like the event itself was kind of disrespectful to. 659 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: Those guys that were there, you know what I mean. 660 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 3: Like, I don't think that her kissing someone for five 661 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: minutes is classes at all, Like that's what you like 662 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: when you're meeting someone, you're getting to know people. 663 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: That's not what I had the issue with. 664 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: It was, like I guess, like I was just like 665 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 3: did she know that those guys were front and center? 666 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: And like one thing that didn't make the cut or 667 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: didn't really show like in it is like when we 668 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 3: had our conversation too, It's like she didn't know that 669 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: the guys were going to be forced to stand in front. 670 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: She didn't know that, Like it ended up being something 671 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: that happened. 672 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and she had to deal 673 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: with like whatever happened accurate, But she didn't intentionally say, 674 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: like know that the guys are. 675 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: Going to sit in front center and want to put 676 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: them through that. 677 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: And so when we talked about that and she told 678 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: me that, like that's why I apologize, I was like, 679 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry because I quite the fact that 680 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: I even thought that, you know, the fact fact that 681 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: I even thought that, it feels like you know that 682 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: you would you know that it wouldn't be I don't know, 683 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: Like I was just apologizing because I was wrong for 684 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: questioning her character in that moment, you know, but like again, 685 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 3: it did bring up those past things in the past relationships, 686 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: Like I had someone that you know that had done 687 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 3: something like that to me, and I felt like they 688 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 3: didn't even care that they did you know what I mean, 689 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: did what they did to me? You know what I'm saying, 690 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 3: Like if that again, it's different, but it's like similar, 691 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: there's there's similarity between them. Again. 692 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: No, I've really appreciated getting like a lot of contexts 693 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: from you. I think that people are going to leave 694 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: this interview being hopeful that you'll be on paradise. Let's 695 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: let's wrap this up with a few fun questions. Where 696 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: do you get your earrings from? Do you collect them? 697 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: I do collect them. I'm not wearing any right now. 698 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: I know I work in psych and so if I'm 699 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: wearing my dangly, I have a patient like tear a mouth, 700 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But I I typically go 701 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: to farmers markets, some of the ones you guys saw 702 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: me where I actually bought in Scamania. 703 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: There's like a there's a. 704 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 3: Little gift shop and it was like a handcafted one 705 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: by someone that lives out there, and so I bought 706 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: a couple of parents out there from there and then 707 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: back to home at farmers markets and stuff like that. 708 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: But I have like over thirty ears, so you guys 709 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: will see more if I ever come on any. 710 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: For me, and Paradise would be a place to wear 711 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: tropical earrings. I always bring the typical look and jewelry there. 712 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: Let's just say I have a jewelry board that if 713 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: I went somewhere I would work. 714 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: Okay, cool? All right? So you are a traveling psychiatric nurse, 715 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: do you? How do you? Okay? I don't understand the 716 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: traveling nurse. Why choose to be traveling nurse over a 717 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: nurse that has more of a base. 718 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: So one. I've been also wanting to go back to school. 719 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: I want to eventually go get my MP and so 720 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 3: I've been liking the fact that, like I'm able to 721 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: bounce around from the contract to contract and kind of 722 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: have my schedule change rather than be stuck in like 723 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: one specific schedule. 724 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: It pay is a lot better. You get paid for 725 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: traveling nurse. 726 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you get paid travel nurse paying is really 727 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: like really nice. And then also like I like to 728 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: kind of like mix up what I'm doing from time 729 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: to time, Like I don't want to be like sometimes 730 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: I mean I do like psych but a lot of times, 731 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: like you can get burnt down stuff Like I've done 732 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: hospice before, and I did hospice for a while and. 733 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: It's got to be the most emotionally draining. 734 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of the toughest jobs I had, 735 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: and it honestly gave me like one of the greatest 736 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: appreciations for life. And like, honestly it's the reason why 737 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: I kind of like I am a bit of the 738 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: way I am because it's like I'm so like every 739 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: experience I'm enjoying to the max because I know that 740 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: a lot of people don't get to enjoy all these experiences. 741 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, so I don't know, I like to I 742 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: like to balance around, so I don't get burnt out, 743 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: I guess, And so I think that a lot of 744 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: nurses like because the jobs are so difficult, it's I 745 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: can get burnt out. 746 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, So then do you how often are you 747 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: in a different city. Isn't it like as little as 748 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: three months? So it could be like a really good 749 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: job for a single person, right, yeah. 750 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: So, I mean I was in Santa Barbara previously, and 751 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: I was there. I mean, they can all you can 752 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: get extensions on different contracts, but I was there for 753 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: about a year. I'm now coming up on about a 754 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: year mark in San Diego. I don't know if I'm 755 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: gon bunce around somewhere else. I was thinking about potentially 756 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: getting my license I extended to another state, another state. 757 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: I just love the beach too much. I love serving 758 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: so much, and I'm I've had quite a bit of 759 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: friends that I've played out here in San Diego that 760 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: I love time, so it be hard, So maybe I 761 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: might look at a more permanent. 762 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: Job than short future. 763 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, how did you get into nursing? What interest you 764 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: about it? 765 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: Originally the goal I wanted to go to med school. 766 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: That was originally the goal. So I joined the Army. 767 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 3: Out of high school, they had an MS like six pie, 768 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: which is a nurse or licensed practical nursing specialist. And 769 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: I went in did all that, got my nursing license, 770 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 3: and then and after a few years, I ended up 771 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: coming back. I went to I transferred by reserves after that, 772 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: and then I was just going to school and then 773 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: I graduated last year from UC Santa Barbara, and I 774 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: got my bachelor. Plan was to go to med school. 775 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: But now I'm kind of rethinking that and thinking that 776 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: you know, MP is more than what's MP stand for 777 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: a nurse practitioner. 778 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, great, all right, Well BT Brydon, You're 779 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 2: super interesting and I would love to know more about 780 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: just one more thing about your career. Has anybody in 781 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: like the hospital you work at, the out of a 782 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: hospital or in office I work at, has anybody recognized 783 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: you when you go to a patient since the show. 784 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: No, none of my patients really recognized me. I think 785 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: I'm very different when I'm working. 786 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: Than i am when I'm out in the out. 787 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 3: Like I mean, I still have fun and I still 788 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 3: have fun with my patients and stuff like that. But 789 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: as far as like, as far as the wildness that 790 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 3: I feel like I have in like my work life, I. 791 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: Don't have that necessarily no work. 792 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: I like to be professional, you know, make sure that's 793 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 3: importantly there. Mak you feel like they're being taken care of, 794 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 3: so I don't think they really recognize me. Also, I'm 795 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: in like in to meto motor right now. Been growing 796 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: the face flow hair out, you know, letting the hair dangle. 797 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 3: So no earrings in, you know. 798 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you did have like feather earrings on, it 799 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: would be a giveaway. You probably get recognized more. 800 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: The only time I've ever been recognized is when people 801 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: like seeing me from behind, They're like, wait, is that Braden, 802 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: I'm like coming my earings up because they see the 803 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: dangles from behind? 804 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: All right, well, Brandon, Ben and I always say that 805 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: it's hard not to like someone when you get to 806 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: know them, and I feel like that has definitely occurred 807 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: here with a lot of Bachelor Nations fans out there listening. 808 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: So thank you so much for sharing your story, opening 809 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 2: your heart, especially there at the end. And maybe we'll 810 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: see you more very soon on our TVs and you'll 811 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: come back if there's more to chat about there. 812 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: It sounds good. Thank you so much for having me. 813 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: Thanks Brendan and bye 814 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on iHeartRadio 815 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.