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Speaker 2: Pirates pitcher Paul Schemes, Cy Young Winner joins us in

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Speaker 2: an hour from now. Reggie Miller will stop by as

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Speaker 2: well Pat forty, Sports Illustrated senior writer, host of Others

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Speaker 2: Receiving Votes podcast at SI dot com. He will be

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Speaker 2: at the Texas Georgia game on Saturday, then on site

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Speaker 2: for USC Oregon as well. Oh you went to Texas storage,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Then you'll be at the USC Oregon game.

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Speaker 2: You're moving around sort of like Lane Kiffin is. So

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Speaker 2: what do you make of this tour of the South

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Speaker 2: with Lane Kiffin?

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Speaker 3: I need the private jet access that Lane and his

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Speaker 3: family has right now. It's brazen, it's I think insulting

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Speaker 3: to the current Mississippi team, but it's Lane Kiffen. And

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Speaker 3: Lane loves to toy with people's emotions, loves to Grant's fan,

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Speaker 3: loves to be out in front of whatever's going on.

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Speaker 3: I think he thrives on chaos to would agree, and

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Speaker 3: so sending your family to Florida and to LSU when

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Speaker 3: there's zero points zero percent chance that that's not going

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Speaker 3: to become a big public deal is pretty on brand

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Speaker 3: for Lane. But I mean, if I'm an Old Miss fan,

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Speaker 3: if I'm an Old Miss player and you've bought in

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Speaker 3: for this season that's the best the school's had in

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Speaker 3: sixty years, and your coach's family's out doing this, I'd

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Speaker 3: be a little bit ticked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would want to ask my coach. I would

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Speaker 2: want to say, are you all in with us?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: And I think that's fair to ask.

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Speaker 2: If the captain's got together with Lane to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: are you all in with us? This feels like and

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Speaker 2: you would know better than me, Pat, I have no information.

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Speaker 2: Maybe somebody's agent leaked that Lane's family was going to

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Speaker 2: LSU and going to Florida. Maybe they you go back

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Speaker 2: to Ole Miss and boost the offer. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is this is college football today?

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Speaker 3: Well, it sure is. And that's the thing. The agents

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Speaker 3: have massive powers. Agents, Jimmy Sexton the most powerful of

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Speaker 3: all of them. And Jimmy's not above playing hardball. And

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Speaker 3: I think if he feels like, you know, this is

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Speaker 3: something that's going to help us get a better deal,

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Speaker 3: then sure I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.

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Speaker 3: You know that that that is how things work in

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Speaker 3: a college football ecosystem. Dan that, as you know, the

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Speaker 3: hiring cycle is completely ridiculous and stupid and unfolds during

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Speaker 3: the season, and it doesn't matter if you're having a

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Speaker 3: great season, You're still going to get caught up in

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Speaker 3: it if you are a coach who's who's being wanted here?

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Speaker 3: And I just have never quite understood the tolerance level

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Speaker 3: for this. Actually asked Greg Sankie on Saturday, he was

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Speaker 3: at Texas Georgia. I said, you know, any problem with

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Speaker 3: within your conference with schools poaching coaches during a season

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Speaker 3: and it's the best season Ole Missus had in decades.

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Speaker 3: And He's like, well, I control what I can control,

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Speaker 3: and I can't control that, but I think they could

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Speaker 3: perhaps exert a little more control on how the hiring

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Speaker 3: cycle works.

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech James Franklin, what do you think of that partnership?

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Speaker 3: I like it. I think it's good. I think it's

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Speaker 3: good for both, you know. Franklin his biggest problem with

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Speaker 3: Ohio State and Michigan. Guess what, they're not in the

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Speaker 3: ACC and nobody liked them is in the ACC, especially

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Speaker 3: with Clemson and Florida State currently in the shape that

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Speaker 3: they're in and the program with the third most acc

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Speaker 3: titles this century is Virginia Tech, behind Clemson, Florida State.

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Speaker 3: They've won four of them. That's a good program when

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Speaker 3: they're up and going. They got a little outdated, they

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Speaker 3: got a little bit behind, maybe in terms of compensation

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Speaker 3: model for players, but they say that all in now,

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Speaker 3: and James Franklin can win you a ten games, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: Can he win eleven twelve, we'll see. But in that league,

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Speaker 3: I think he got a better chance.

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 3: And in that league, he got a better chance to

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Speaker 5: What's Penn State doing?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question, you know. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: they're looking in a lot of different areas. You know.

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Speaker 3: I think Signetti would have been probably the first option there,

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Speaker 3: but he quickly took himself out of it. I don't

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Speaker 3: He's taken himself out of it. A lot of talk

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Speaker 3: but that one's been maybe a little more quiet than

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Speaker 2: What about the other job openings? What do you got Arkansas, Ucla,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all of those. You know Arkansas again, that

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Speaker 3: was one where Rent Lashley made a lot of sense,

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Speaker 3: but he's taken his name out. I think Alex Golish

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Speaker 3: at South Florida he's done a good job there could

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Speaker 3: be in play possibly at an Arkansas. He was the

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator for Josh Ipel at Tennessee. Ucla is an

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Speaker 3: interesting one. I'm not sure where they're at out there.

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Speaker 3: I still think that could be an attractive job, but

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Speaker 3: they've been so far behind from a money standpoint that

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Speaker 3: how much do they want to catch up? We're going

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Speaker 3: to find out. Oklahoma State been a lot to talk

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Speaker 3: makes sense from a recruiting standpoint. Eric Morris at North

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Speaker 3: Texas who's having a great season ten and one and

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Speaker 3: plays an entertaining offense. Some people of that nature.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer the

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Speaker 2: Sarkesian Rumors.

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Speaker 5: Diana Luscini on.

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Speaker 2: Her podcast talked about that his people are exploring, or

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Speaker 2: at least putting feelers out there for the NFL. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of that, especially if they don't make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be shocked if he's at

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Speaker 3: least gonna look at it. And I would trust Diana

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Speaker 3: Rassini's reporting on that. But yeah, I don't think Texas

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Speaker 3: is like fed up with Steve Sarkisian to the point

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Speaker 3: of like please go. I don't think they've reached that point.

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Speaker 3: This season's definitely been a disappointment. You start number one,

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Speaker 3: you're now seven and three, you're probably out of the playoff.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you beat Texas A and M you can

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Speaker 3: reverse that, But I would say next year would be

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Speaker 3: a critical mass year for him. And here's the question there, Dan,

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Speaker 3: if you are pretty well tethered to arch Manning and

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Speaker 3: you don't think arch Manning's act good, maybe you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this might be time to get out instead of going

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Speaker 3: through year two with Arch being just an okay quarterback

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Speaker 2: How And is the USC Oregon game very.

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Speaker 3: You know, Oregon's in great position, but USC is pushing

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Speaker 3: the two losses ones at Notre Dame, so their resume

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Speaker 3: is not bad. They need a big skin, and certainly

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Speaker 3: or winning at Eugene would would provide that tough place

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Speaker 3: to win Indiana did it, but historically very hard place

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Speaker 3: to win. Lincoln Riley could use it. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: he's had a good year. It had been a downward

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Speaker 3: that now. A big way to reverse it is to

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Speaker 3: win this game, get finished ten to two and make

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Speaker 3: the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Has he bought himself another year no matter what the

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Speaker 2: outcome is this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, mostly because he's too expensive. I mean, is

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Speaker 3: his buyouts astronomical? And I think it's easier it's still

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Speaker 3: on top of that because they're they're eight and two

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Speaker 3: and a wing. You know, there should worse be nine

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Speaker 3: and three in the regular season close to the playoff chase,

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Speaker 3: that sort of thing. I've gotten over some of the

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Speaker 3: shortcomings that we've seen year after year from him. So

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Speaker 3: I think there's definite signs of improvement and they've got

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Speaker 3: a big recruiting class coming in for next year.

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Speaker 2: Safe travels, Pat, thanks for joining.

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Speaker 3: Us, my pleasure, Dan, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer, host of Others Receiving

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Speaker 2: Votes podcast at si dot com. He'll be at the

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Speaker 2: USC Oregon game. A couple of phone calls in here

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Speaker 2: Chris and Syracuse leads yous off.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Chris Hey, Thank you, Dan Hey.

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Speaker 6: A couple questions for you if you are having your

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Speaker 6: Jordan flu game today, which stand Nett would be your

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Speaker 6: Scottie Pippin helping you out of the studio at noon?

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Speaker 6: And also, the consensus when Michaeh. Parson's trade went down

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Speaker 6: was that the Cowboys were the clear losers in the deal.

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Speaker 6: With the move the Cowboys have made and the money

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Speaker 6: they've saved to maybe sign guys like George Pickens next year,

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Speaker 6: and the picks they still have, you think in a

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Speaker 6: year or two, the Cowboys could be seen as winners

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Speaker 6: or at least a one in the deal.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: But are you going to pay George Pickens now he's

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Speaker 5: You're gonna pay him? See the Lamb money.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole lot of money you got tied up

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Speaker 2: and your quarterback. Yeah, the Michael Parsons. Look, I get

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons that at that price that price point. I

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Speaker 2: didn't want him for you know, forty seven million dollars,

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Speaker 2: but you could have had him for thirty five million

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Speaker 2: sign him, then you could have signed him. And I

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Speaker 2: do think they're a better team with Michaeh Parsons than

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Speaker 2: There there's who else is like Michaeh Parsons, three or

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Speaker 2: And that Green Bay defense is great now. They were

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Speaker 2: really good before he got there. Now they're great. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that this current turned out to be a

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Speaker 2: positive here. But you did give up draft cap to

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Speaker 2: bring Quinn Williams in, Yeah, pulling.

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Speaker 7: The good thing for the Cowboys. They have Quinn Williams

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Speaker 7: under contract for the next two years at twenty two

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Speaker 7: million per year, which is relatively fair for a guy

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Speaker 5: Zach and Knoxville, Zach, what's on your mind? ADP?

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Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call on I just wanted to

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Speaker 8: correct you yesterday. He had the first name right, But

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Speaker 8: Jeremiah Smith is the best player in college football. But

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Speaker 8: just wanted to say that you have that pull correct

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Speaker 8: question yesterday about why you're watching the game last night

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Speaker 8: and just seeing the inspired performance of the Cowboys coming

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Speaker 8: together after the tragic loss of Marshawn neland that's why

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Speaker 8: I watched sports, people of all different backgrounds coming together

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Speaker 8: for a common goal and just an escape from everyday reality.

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Speaker 5: So I just wanted to throw that out there.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you're saying that the best player in college

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Speaker 2: football is named Jeremiah but it's Jeremiah Smith, not Jeremiah Love.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I'm not going to argue with it.

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Speaker 2: I think Jeremiah Smith at Ohio State has hurt because

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Speaker 2: from the standpoint of they're going to try to make

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Speaker 2: sure he doesn't beat the opposition. Jeremiah Loves still going

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Speaker 2: to get the ball. And you got another running back

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Speaker 2: who's really good and he's just had more splash plays

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Speaker 5: But it's the running back position.

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Speaker 2: And here we are again because running backs in the

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Speaker 2: you go, man, we can't pass up that talent. Bjon

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Speaker 2: I probably would have thrown the ball to Brock Bauers

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, Pro Football Focus, does you know mid season

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 9: And it's always easier to find a quality running back

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Speaker 2: Well, like Rico Dowdell, like he's a really good running back.

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Speaker 5: But they're running all over people.

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Speaker 2: But we've always looked at that offensive line, and it's like,

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Speaker 5: So where is the cy Young?

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Speaker 12: I haven't gotten it yet? Yeah, I think we I

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Speaker 2: Seems like your girlfriend was more excited for you, Livy

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Speaker 5: Could you catch?

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Speaker 12: I have no idea yet. I barely started throwing right now,

439
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 12: so we'll see. Once I get on the mound and everything.

440
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 12: I might start playing a house and stuff. But no

441
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 12: plans for anything yet.

442
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: But you have to have an idea of somebody telling

443
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: you something or you're seeing something that you know. Can

444
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: you work that into your arsenal?

445
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think a lot of it so far has been,

446
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 12: you know, like, hey, you should throw your your fastball

447
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 12: here instead of here, you should throw it more in

448
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 12: instead of away, that kind of thing, rather than like

449
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 12: actually designing and engineering new pitches. Just because it's just

450
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 12: so early. I don't I'm I'm really just you know,

451
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 12: working to get my body back to to you know,

452
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 12: in season four right now, and then we can worry

453
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 12: about the pitch shapes later.

454
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: Talking to Paul's schemes the unanimous Cy Young Winner, I'm

455
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: not sure if you got to fly fighter jets when

456
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: you were in the Air Force? Can you can you

457
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 2: even fit in the cockpit as big as you are?

458
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

459
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 12: I can barely fit. You put the helmet on me

460
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 12: and you know, I'm wearing boots and all that, the

461
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 12: G suit, it's it's going to be tight. But uh yeah,

462
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 12: I went in I went into the Air Force Academy

463
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 12: about three inches shorter than I am right now. So

464
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 12: my you know, plans changed a little bit as time

465
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 12: went on there.

466
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: Well, when you watch Top Gun and do your teammates say, hey,

467
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: is that what it was like for you in the

468
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: Air Force?

469
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's pretty common. I mean they're not they're not

470
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 12: playing danger Zone when I walk into the room or

471
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 12: anything like that.

472
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 5: They wouldn't. They wouldn't do that to you, would they ever?

473
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 12: They would never do that to me.

474
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 5: Do you want to go back and?

475
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Uh, like, is there any part of you that is

476
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: not finished with the Air Force.

477
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's funny because the more I've been out of there,

478
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 12: it's you know, right when you leave, you're so happy

479
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 12: to be gone, just because it's so hard and so demanding.

480
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 12: And the longer I've been up, you know, away from

481
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 12: there and away from those people, it's like, dang, I

482
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 12: miss it. So I don't know about I mean, I

483
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 12: when I when I did my paperwork to leave, there

484
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 12: was like a clause in there that like I could

485
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 12: come back and finish my degree as long as I

486
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 12: finish it before I'm twenty seven. So I would have

487
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 12: to do that in the next couple of years. So

488
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 12: in terms of going back and being a cadet, that's

489
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 12: that's not going to happen. But they do have a

490
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 12: baseball team they need coaches occasionally, so that's something I

491
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 12: would be very excited to do. Living in Colorado, spring

492
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 12: sounds nice.

493
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 5: You don't get used to losing, but you lose a lot.

494
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: Where you go from winning a national championship, now you

495
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: know you're losing one hundred games. How does that affect

496
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: you or how do you try not to let that

497
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: affect you?

498
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's it's tough. It's you know, a

499
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 12: huge adjustment because you know, all I've done. The Air

500
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 12: Force is the winningest organization in the world, and then

501
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 12: I got to LSU and I win a national championship,

502
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 12: and then obviously I haven't had two great years team

503
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 12: wise in Pittsburgh. So it's been an adjustment. It's you know,

504
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 12: it's tough to not show up to the field every

505
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 12: day and be better sometimes, especially when it's you know,

506
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 12: we're on a seven eight game skid. I think it,

507
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 12: you know, I think it just comes down to being

508
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 12: a professional. I've learned more and more how to do

509
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 12: that and just be the you know, be the same

510
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 12: person every day. I'm still learning how to do that.

511
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 12: So but yeah, it's I mean, it is energizing to

512
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 12: think about what it could be if and if and

513
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 12: when we do win. So that's the that's the thing

514
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 12: that gets me.

515
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 4: Out of bed.

516
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: But that's how you get these stories that come out,

517
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: because you know, can you put up with this with

518
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: your talent? And that's how that report comes out that

519
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: if it was a true report or a rumor, But

520
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: how do you deal with that that anonymous player says

521
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: that you hope to be traded to the Yankees?

522
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

523
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 12: I mean I was frustrated for a couple hours and

524
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 12: then and then you know, kind of got over it

525
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 12: and talked to the media later that night. You know,

526
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 12: it is what it is. There's stuff that's going to

527
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 12: come out, you know, good and bad. It's you know,

528
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 12: obviously it's it's not true. I think the hardest part

529
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 12: of leaving air Force for me was, you know, we

530
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 12: had just won a conference championship, the first one in

531
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 12: the school's history, and you know, it didn't and if

532
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 12: we had built that and it felt like there was

533
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 12: unfinished you know, work that needed to be done. So

534
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 12: that's how it feels right now. We're you know, I

535
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 12: won the we won the national championship or the conference

536
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 12: championship at air Force. That's that's what is on the

537
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 12: horizon for us. We just have to do it. And

538
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 12: leaving before that would you know, leave a bad taste

539
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 12: in my mouth because there wasn't you know, there was

540
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 12: work to be done that.

541
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: We didn't do.

542
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this has happened because there's no

543
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: salary cap and we look at smaller markets, good place.

544
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: You know, Garrett Cole when he was with the Pirates,

545
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: it's like, how long can these smaller market teams keep players.

546
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 5: So you're just the latest.

547
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: There'll be somebody that comes after you, and you know

548
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: they'll be doing the same thing.

549
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I'm not the first person, not the

550
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 12: first person. That's that's you know, been through this, done this,

551
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 12: and I'm not I'm not the last, you know. It's

552
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 12: just it all comes down to how you look at

553
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 12: it right, Like you can you can just be bitter

554
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 12: at the world and pissed off, or you can you know,

555
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 12: fight to to do what's right, make it right, you know, win.

556
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 12: Those are kind of the the two paths because you cannot,

557
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 12: like the bar only moves one way, it only goes up,

558
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 12: and for you know, that's the goal. Basically, it very

559
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 12: easily could go down if you let it go down.

560
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 12: So you just got to keep fighting to to raise

561
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 12: the bar, you know, for us in Pittsburgh, but for

562
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 12: the next player wherever wherever that is.

563
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: Do you have to make the bed? Does your girlfriend

564
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: make you make the bed?

565
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 12: Still got to make the bed. That's something that you

566
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 12: can't really uh, you can't get that out of you

567
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 12: once you've I probably made a thousand beds while I

568
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 12: was at Air Force and Uh, actually more than that,

569
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 12: probably a thousand only in basic training. So it's it's

570
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 12: habits that are built inside you.

571
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: But is the bouncing the quarter is that true?

572
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: They don't.

573
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 12: They don't do that anymore, at least not when I

574
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 12: was there. They might, they might have brought that back.

575
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 12: It's funny. You'll get people that you know, don't want

576
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 12: to make their bed every morning, and so they like

577
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 12: duct tape it underneath so that it's all tight like uh,

578
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 12: because we got a shirt stays there to make sure

579
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 12: your your shirt stays tucked in, and so they'll use

580
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 12: those and tie it from one side to the other.

581
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 12: So you'll learn those tricks from from being in it

582
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 12: a little bit. But anyway, No, I don't I don't

583
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 12: think the quarter thing is is true anymore.

584
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 5: Most famous person you've met.

585
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 12: Probably right now, I mean Shane Gillis. He's the biggest

586
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 12: person in the world.

587
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: I don't know I was.

588
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 12: It depends, you know, it depends what circle you're talking.

589
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 12: Uh you.

590
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 5: Shane Gillis is a good guy.

591
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: We met him in Dublin and he was doing his

592
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: stand up over there, and.

593
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's it's refreshing to talk to him. He's he's

594
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 12: down to earth, great dude, obviously, you know, hilarious. Everything

595
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 12: he does is you know, must watch TV. So it

596
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 12: was it was cool to meet him. Just you know,

597
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 12: I'm a I'm a comedy fan. Ah. I was looking

598
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 12: forward to meeting him, and I was not disappointed. It

599
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 12: was it was pretty cool.

600
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 5: Then he go to Army, Yeah he did briefly.

601
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, he's a see when I got to l

602
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 12: s U. The running joke was that I thought about

603
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 12: serving for two years. He thought about serving for a

604
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 12: little bit shortter than that. But we are both My

605
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 12: air Force coach calls me to quitter, so we're both quitter.

606
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: Congrats, enjoy the off season, and thanks again for joining us.

607
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for having me.

608
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: Yep, Paul skeins, he is unanimous. Did you see his

609
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: girlfriend was in the background walking by a couple of times.

610
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 5: I didn't see that, yep, yep.

611
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: Now I was going to say, hey, why don't you

612
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: get your girlfriend to come up here and join us,

613
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: but she was going back and forth a couple of times.

614
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 5: Y has Tom They no Yankee questions, just going to

615
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: shout that out in the.

616
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: Matter, all right, We asked the question we got it

617
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: out there, Yeah, he handled it, okay. Yeah, Paulie, it.

618
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 7: Really is a tough situation for him as well, Like

619
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 7: you'd love to be loyal to the Pirates and build

620
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 7: something there, but you're also saying, I may sign up

621
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 7: for a career that doesn't get me deep in the postseason. Ever,

622
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 7: like Tony Gwinn generations ago, loyalty can It's impressive and

623
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 7: it's respectable, but I don't if it's the right move.

624
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: I remember when Kevin Garnett was criticized because he didn't

625
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: want to leave Minnesota to go win a championship and

626
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 2: that he was loyal. Like, I think we got our

627
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: compasses pointing the wrong direction here, Like we should give

628
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: credit to somebody who is loyal. Is he going to

629
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: win a championship in Minnesota?

630
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: No?

631
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: I think they went to the Western Conference finals one year,

632
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: but then he went to Boston end up, you know,

633
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: winning a championship.

634
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, paul he wins a cy Young by going ten

635
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 7: to ten with a one point nine to seven ERA.

636
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 7: I did some research on it. If he had the

637
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 7: average run support of like the top twenty pitchers in

638
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 7: the National League last year, he probably would have been

639
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 7: twenty four and five. Yeah, twenty four and five In

640
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 7: this day and age, twenty four wins is like like forty.

641
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, we have our super

642
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: Bowl picks. But if I give everybody a mulligan, who

643
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: would you pick to in the Super Bowl, We'll have

644
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: that for you. It's called stick or pick. Gotta have

645
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: every segment has to have a name. Stick with your

646
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: original pick or pick somebody different. Take a break back

647
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: after this.

648
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654
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656
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657
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of Zach Edy this second game back.

658
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: Jared Jackson last year's defense the player of the year

659
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: from Memphis, and I think first at Antoniodaron Fox, I

660
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: think he was the clutch player of the year. A

661
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: couple of years. Look, we're gonna roll everything and see

662
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: what sticks.

663
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: See, this is what I worry about with Wembin Yama.

664
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: You know, your big man always has you know, could

665
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: be feet and knees. You had the blood clot, now

666
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: you have it's a calf strain. I understand it. But

667
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean that's the only thing.

668
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 5: Injury is the.

669
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: Only thing that's going to prevent him from being one

670
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: of the all time greats in my opinion. But is

671
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: usage like can you prevent these things with a big man?

672
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: No? I mean, look at John Moran, He's what barely

673
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 4: six feet and he has the same issue that Wimby has,

674
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: you know, a calf strain, the calf issues, And I think, uh,

675
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 4: just looking at the history over the last year, year

676
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: and a half with Damian Lillard, Tyrese Halliburton, Jason Tatum,

677
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 4: I think any type of calf related issue, tightness, soreness, stiffness,

678
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: you will see NBA players played on the on the

679
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: cautious side. And you know, I think most training staffs

680
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: now are saying, hey, do you want to miss two

681
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: weeks or potentially miss twelve months? And I think all

682
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 4: these players are going to side on the on the

683
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 4: air on the side of caution here with these calf issues.

684
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you can go down the list

685
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: of John Moran's issues over the last two years, and

686
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 4: with Wimby, I mean, these are two guys that really

687
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: are so unique at their position, and with John some

688
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 4: of the electrifying moves, but he does hit the floor

689
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: a lot. And we kind of highlighted this with Dwayne

690
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: Wade back in the day. What was that commercial hit

691
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: the floor, get up six times at the floor sometimes

692
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 4: or whatever that commercial was. I mean, these guys do

693
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: such electrifying things on the court, and Wimby's I mean,

694
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: we've never seen that that spin move that he did

695
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: against Draymond Green, that out of ballace play, I don't

696
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: think I've ever seen that before. And so you're gonna

697
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 4: have these things crop up. It's just part of the nature.

698
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: You just hope it's not a lingering thing, because CAF

699
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: issues can't linger a little bit, and you hope this

700
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: is not a reoccurring injury.

701
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: It looked AI when Steph Curry hits that three pointer

702
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: over Victor run Banyama. I don't even know, how do

703
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: you practice something like that of shooting over somebody who

704
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: their wingspan is probably you know, close to ten feet

705
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: and Steph with a fade away three. Used to be

706
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: when teams would play Luel Sindor in college, they'd have

707
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: somebody stand on a chair and hold a broom, just

708
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: to give you an idea of what it was like.

709
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can simulate playing against somebody

710
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: like that and shooting jumpers over them.

711
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 5: You can't.

712
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: And I think in Steph's case, I think he reverts

713
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: back to muscle memory because he's not entirely focused on Wimby.

714
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: I think he's more my shoulders a line, am I

715
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: straight distance. Yeah, he sees the defender in front of

716
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: him and oh my god, it's you know, a twelve

717
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: foot alien. But I think you revert it. Excuse me.

718
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: Back to the Olympics. I think he made a shot

719
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: like that to win gold medal for US over Wimby.

720
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: So there is a history there between those two on

721
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: those switches, on those high screening rolls, and so far

722
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: Steph is two for two in those big time moments

723
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: versus Wimby. But yeah, you're shooting over over a statue,

724
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: and I think he reverts back to his muscle memory.

725
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: We saw the Jamar Chase situation with Jalen Ramsey spitting

726
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: in his face.

727
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: Does that happen in the NBA?

728
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: Look as much trash talk as in face to face.

729
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he didn't do it on purpose, but

730
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: in the heat of moment, Yeah, I mean it happens. Look,

731
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 4: there's no excuse for that. And if it was a

732
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: purpose spit on Jamar case, he's lucky you only got

733
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: one game because it's just there's no call for it.

734
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 4: You can't do that in any sport.

735
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, it happens in the NBA.

736
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: I don't know about necessarily purposely spitting on someone, but

737
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: when you are nose to nose and you're talking trash,

738
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: things fly out. It flies out. So I don't know

739
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: if you're purposely doing that, but yeah, things happen.

740
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: Somebody accidentally, maybe with their lisp they spit in your

741
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: face or something, or they have braces and vis a

742
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: line or something comes out.

743
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: People trying to talk through their mouthpieces, those are a

744
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: little bit uncomfortable and spid comes out. Yes, LOOKI comes out.

745
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: I was worried. Draymond Green talking to a fan. Okay,

746
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: nothing happened. But why is Draymond Green getting chippy with

747
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: a Pelicans fan.

748
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm gonna give as much as I

749
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: love Draymond Green, I do love them, that was some

750
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: elite trolling by that fan, no cursing. He did his

751
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 4: homework and if you look at the stat line, all

752
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: he was doing was referring to dream as injuries. All

753
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 4: he was saying was the numbers and you're not scoring,

754
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: but you are racking.

755
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: Up the rebound.

756
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: That's kind of funny. So I don't understand the sensitivity

757
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 4: side of Draymond. That's something he would do because he's

758
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: an elite troll himself. I kind of give the fans.

759
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: I'm taking the fans point of view because there was

760
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 4: he didn't cross the line my point.

761
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: I know, you would think that Draymond Green would have

762
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: a sense of humor with something like that.

763
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: He should have had a sense of humor on this one,

764
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: because that's it's kind of funny.

765
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: If I could give you Ja Moran's future or Zion

766
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: Williams's future, Oh.

767
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: And I gotta pick one of these guys. Both are

768
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 4: injury prone. I don't know what you do going forward

769
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: with both of these guys.

770
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: Can you build around either one of them?

771
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 4: No, in my opinion, you can't because I don't know

772
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 4: the availability of both. Certainly in Zion's case, I can't

773
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 4: trust if I'm a general manager, if I'm a I

774
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 4: don't know if I can trust these two. As electrifying

775
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: as both are, both put people in the seats, and

776
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: they are a higher light reel in the making, but

777
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: they're also one play away from being out three to

778
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 4: four weeks or even the season. I cannot trust that.

779
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: But having said all that, if I can get them

780
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: to April May and possibly June, I like my chancers too.

781
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: Steph Curry is a free agent, a shoe free agent.

782
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: Here looks like the Jordan brand is gonna scoop him

783
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: up purely. Did you ever wear a bad shoe, like

784
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: a shoe that was uncomfortable but you had an endorsement deal.

785
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 4: No. When I first came into the league, do you

786
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 4: remember the shoe Spot Built? Yeah. I was with Spot

787
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: Builts my first two years and they were one of

788
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: the most comfortable shoes. And then I jumped over to

789
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 4: Nike and I was with Nike the rest of my career.

790
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: Especially for basketball players, if you're wearing an uncomfortable shoe,

791
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: you're going to have foot problems for the rest of

792
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: your career. So it doesn't matter the model or the

793
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 4: name brand. You've got to make sure your jimmies are

794
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: comfortable because if not, you're gonna have ankle injuries. Planet

795
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: or fasciai Idis, which I was with Nike most of

796
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: my career, and I have Planner Fascia Idis. So it

797
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you're Adidas, Nike, Puma, or whatever. You've

798
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: got to find comfortable shoes. And it doesn't matter because

799
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: Planet Fasciatus, are you rolling your ankle? It doesn't matter

800
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: the brand, it's going to happen.

801
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: Could you have worn Air Jordan if you wanted to?

802
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: I did later in my career, my last two or

803
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: three years. I wasn't technically a Jordan athlete because him

804
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: Jay never endorsed me technically. A lot of times I

805
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: was wearing them, especially when he was at his height.

806
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: I wore Jordan's just to piss him off. Because no

807
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: one was supposed to be wearing Jordan brands other than

808
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan or his teammates like Ron Harper or Pimp

809
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: at times, so other players weren't supposed to technically wear Jordan's,

810
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: but I would wear them just so he only when

811
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: I played him, just to tick them off.

812
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 5: Wait, the only time you wore air Jordan's was when

813
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 5: you well, I mean I wore.

814
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 4: Him at other games after, like once he went to

815
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: the Wizards. That's when I was more of a Jordan

816
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: brand type player. But when he was with the Bulls,

817
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 4: you weren't supposed to really wear them, but I did

818
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: occasionally wear them just to rub him a little bit

819
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: the wrong way.

820
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: We're talking to Reggie Miller and be on the call

821
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: tonight Jamal Crawford and Noah Eagle. Yes, so it's Spurs

822
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: gridgly with.

823
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: No Victor Winbin Yama and no Ja mort But we

824
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: are going to work this game. Baby.

825
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: Give me the feel good story so far this season?

826
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 4: How about I believe it's ten in a row now

827
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: for the Detroit Pistons leading the Central Division and just

828
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: reading everything listening to the postseason comments, they were embarrassed

829
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 4: and highly upset in that New York Knicks series last year.

830
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: They felt that they left two or three games on

831
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: the table, and I wanted to see how they would respond.

832
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: How would that summer, go are you and use that

833
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 4: as motivating fuel and come back bigger, stronger, faster. They

834
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: got off to a slow start, and now they've reeled

835
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: off ten straight. Very good, feel good story. I think

836
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: the whole Luca questioning his character, his fitness, He goes

837
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 4: over to your old basket. He plays great, he gets

838
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 4: in shape. No Lebron James to start the season, and

839
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 4: the Lakers are what nine, four, ten and four. That's

840
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: a feel good story. Now you've got arguably the best

841
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: player of his generation coming back within the next week

842
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: or two. I can't believe you know all eyes are

843
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: always on the Lakers, but they are. They're somewhat of

844
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 4: a feel good story. Luca's out for a little bit.

845
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 4: Austin Reeves is like Jerry West and Pete Meravich all

846
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: wrapped into one for a few games. That's a feel

847
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 4: good story.

848
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: But I wonder when Lebron comes back mm hm. In

849
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 2: areas of the tail end of his career, it's Lucas team,

850
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, DeAndre eight and it feels like there's been

851
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: a little bit of a rhythm. Now Lebron comes back.

852
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: Is it up to Lebron to react to the current

853
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: team or the current team to react to Lebron coming back.

854
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: I believe it's up to Lebron, and you don't play

855
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: in this league for twenty two plus years like Lebron

856
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 4: has done and not be able to adapt. And he's

857
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: been over on the sideline since the beginning of the season.

858
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: He understands what they need and when to interject, and

859
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: you know, be Lebron, but he also knows when he

860
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: doesn't have the same skill set, even though at his

861
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 4: age he was a second team All NBA player just

862
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: a year ago. I think he will fit in where

863
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 4: he needs to, and I think it's up to him

864
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 4: to fit in as opposed to these guys changing their games.

865
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 4: But I mean, think about that, you're getting an All

866
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: NBA player back if you're JJ Reddick the Lakers. I

867
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: like where this is headed.

868
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: I had a caller I don't know if it was

869
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: yesterday or the day before, and say, is Steph Curry

870
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: a top ten player of all time? And we've discussed this.

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Speaker 2: It feels like we put fifteen players into the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Whenever we have these lists. We don't take players out

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Speaker 2: because we know Lebron is going in. Is kd and

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Speaker 2: Steph going into the top ten all time modern basketball

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Speaker 2: in your opinion, and you.

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Speaker 4: Can make a case for both of them because they're

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Speaker 4: both outliers and they both have changed the game. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Steph in his shooting, we have never seen it that

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Speaker 4: before on this stage, just like we never saw a

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Speaker 4: guy walk on air like Air Jordan. We never saw

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Speaker 4: a six or nine point guard like Magic Johnson. On

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Speaker 4: KT's point, I mean he's seven foot even though he

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Speaker 4: won't claim that, and to be able to shoot and

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Speaker 4: score are the top ten? I would probably put Steph

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Speaker 4: in the top ten before KD.

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Speaker 5: But who do you take out of your top ten?

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Speaker 4: Man? I mean, that's difficult, That's it's difficult. I mean

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Speaker 4: we'd have to go over the ten first.

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Speaker 2: Okay, are we going to include Wilt and Bill Russell?

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Speaker 2: And if that's the case, then are you including Oscar

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Speaker 2: and Jerry West?

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know, if I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if those four would be in my top ten.

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Speaker 4: Certainly Bill's the obviously the winningness. But we're talking about

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Speaker 4: in terms of talent, and this is a longer discussion.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to this next week.

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Speaker 5: But do you think Steph is okay.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have Joker, You're gonna have Giannis, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: have Luca, you got Steph, you got KD.

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Speaker 4: Jeff Modern Day. You mean, are we gonna have all

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Speaker 4: these guys in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be a make There'll be a case

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Speaker 2: for Joker in the top ten. They'll be a case

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Speaker 2: for Luca in the top ten, Steph in the top ten,

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Speaker 2: KD in the top ten?

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Speaker 4: I mean, so, are you taking out Magic? Are you

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Speaker 4: taking out Larry Bird? Are you taking out Kareem? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I can't take those players out. You're not taking out

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Speaker 4: Eric Jordan. So I just named five right there? Are

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Speaker 4: you talking Hakeem Elijah? Now you're talking about is Hakeem

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Speaker 4: on his way out? I mean that's hard.

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Speaker 5: To do, I know, but I got Are you taking out? No?

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Speaker 4: I can't take out.

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Speaker 5: Are you taking out Kobe?

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Speaker 4: Are you taking out Tim Duncan?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I would put Steph in over Tim Duncan.

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Speaker 4: I cannot do that. I cannot. I will say this,

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Speaker 4: I cannot take out someone who is the best at

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Speaker 4: their position over Stephan Curry, who's.

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Speaker 5: The naiter shooter of all time?

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Speaker 4: What position is the greatest power forward of all time.

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Speaker 5: Steph Curry changed basketball.

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Speaker 4: I agree. I said that, Wow, five chips versus four

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Speaker 4: chips because you got to count those two. How many

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Speaker 4: MVPs for Tim Duncan two or three?

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Speaker 5: Two and two for Curry back to back?

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Speaker 4: Two?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Would you take Kad over Tim Duncan?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, would you take Joker.

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Speaker 4: Over Tim Duncan?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 4: The only thing missing from the Joker is another championship.

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Speaker 4: Once he gets the two championships, then we can have

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Speaker 4: this discussion right now. No, okay, yeah, he has the

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Speaker 4: MVPs and he'll have the stats. The only thing missing

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Speaker 4: from the Joker's resumes are.

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Speaker 5: Chips because I have to put burden magic together. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 5: they take one one? Yes, okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey good that helps me out there. Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's tough to break into that top ten

943
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Speaker 2: with it just feels like there's guys.

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Speaker 4: So according So is a chem Elijah one out for you.

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Speaker 5: Over Steph Curry?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it.

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Speaker 2: Came is one of my favorite players of all mine too,

949
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Speaker 2: mine too.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: But I got to be objective with this.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to say that, like Carl Malone, I'm taking

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Speaker 2: Carl Malone out.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't be in my top ten. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 4: he wouldn't be in my top ten.

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Speaker 5: Okay, would you say? What about Bill?

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Speaker 4: Is Bill Russell? See Bill Russell wouldn't probably be in

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Speaker 4: my top ten or Will. I don't know if Will

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Speaker 4: would be in my top ten. Shaq would be at

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Speaker 4: my top ten.

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Speaker 5: Okay. We'd have to go modern erab.

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Speaker 4: So seventies and up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it'd be like seventy five to now because

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Speaker 2: but then you've got to decide with Oscar and Jerry

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Speaker 2: West and they may not make that list either.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't be in my top ten.

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Speaker 5: All right until the next time.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'll give you plenty plenty of time to do

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Speaker 2: some homework here. Rench will be on the Call to

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Speaker 2: Night with Noah Eagle and Jamal Crawford. It's the Spurs

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Speaker 2: and the Grizzlies and eight Eastern on NBC.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, they.

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Speaker 4: Don't love you. And of course my dad hat's always

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Speaker 4: on fire, always