Speaker 1: From the King of sports Books comes the Key Sports
Speaker 1: podcast Unleashed, presented by MGM. Here's your host, Olivia Harlan Decker. Okay, everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome back to Unleashed. You know I am celebrating. My
Speaker 1: whole family celebrating. The whole state of Wisconsin is celebrating
Speaker 1: because the Bucks when their first NBA title in fifty years.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Jana Compo m v P. The year
Speaker 1: old had fifty points at equals Bob Pettit's close out
Speaker 1: game record, and most of that was in the second half.
Speaker 1: The second half was incredible halftime deficit. He also had
Speaker 1: five blocks, fourteen boards. He was great from the line.
Speaker 1: He only missed two free throw was something that kind
Speaker 1: of became a joke during the playoff run. He was incredible.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget too. He hyper extended his knee exactly
Speaker 1: three weeks ago. He was thought to be done for
Speaker 1: the season. He was only out a week. He led
Speaker 1: the Bucks, who were down two oh in the series.
Speaker 1: They win four straight. We've got to appreciate this story.
Speaker 1: We've got to appreciate the good guys. He was drafted
Speaker 1: by Milwaukee eight years ago. He barely spoke English. He
Speaker 1: was sending all his money back to Greece to help
Speaker 1: his family. They were struggling. He just wanted to provide
Speaker 1: for them. There are so many stories, maybe even kind
Speaker 1: of more locally known, of people kind strangers giving him
Speaker 1: rides to practice because he had sent all his money
Speaker 1: back home. He's just one of the good guys. He
Speaker 1: wins m VP of the league twice. He could have left,
Speaker 1: he could have joined a super team, but he wanted
Speaker 1: to do it with this team, for this city. Could
Speaker 1: you believe the shots of the Deer District last night,
Speaker 1: by the way they were like people or something like that.
Speaker 1: That's more than the little town I live in. He
Speaker 1: signed a five year extension the super Max before the season,
Speaker 1: and he said, this is the hard way to do it,
Speaker 1: This is the way he wanted to win. Also, total
Speaker 1: class move. He invited Son's head coach Monty Williams in
Speaker 1: the Bucks locker room afterwards. Monty, by the way, has
Speaker 1: also been a star in this playoff run. It's been
Speaker 1: so great to hear more of his story, watch him
Speaker 1: coach his team, and the Sons will be back. And
Speaker 1: you know, Hanna says that the Bucks will be back.
Speaker 1: He says, this feeling is addictive. He wants to run
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Speaker 1: app or at bet mgm dot com. Over to college sports,
Speaker 1: College football media days have commenced. It's always a fun
Speaker 1: time a year. Alabama is the favorite to win the
Speaker 1: national championship at plus two fifty despite only returning thirty
Speaker 1: three of their offensive production. That's second fewest in FBS,
Speaker 1: so man, they just turn them out over there. This
Speaker 1: will be an interesting season as it's the first season
Speaker 1: where players can capitalize on their name, image, and likeness
Speaker 1: that became official July one. For example, new Alabama quarterback
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. Yeah, he's looking at seven figures off the field,
Speaker 1: so definitely want to monitor that story. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the wild wild West as everyone's trying to get ahold
Speaker 1: of this. You know, Michigan is the first to do
Speaker 1: it with jerseys. That one seems so obvious. The m Den,
Speaker 1: University of Michigan's official retailer, who's going to be the
Speaker 1: first to sell jerseys with names on them also seems
Speaker 1: so obvious, But players are signing deals individually. It's not
Speaker 1: With the University Oklahoma quarterback Spencer Rattler. He's the first
Speaker 1: big name to have public autograph signings. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about a barbecue joint in Norman or anything like that.
Speaker 1: This is at a convention in Chicago later this month.
Speaker 1: Names like Barry Sanders, Michael Irvin, em At Smith, Hulk Hogan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll also be in attendance. He's an early Heisman favorite.
Speaker 1: But this is the outlier. Most players are going to
Speaker 1: be doing much smaller, low cool stuff. But you want
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on the folks. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk with Darren Vell about this later. He is the
Speaker 1: sports business expert in this is big money sports business.
Speaker 1: So Darren Revel is our guest this week. He's polarizing,
Speaker 1: sometimes controversial, and guess what, he doesn't care as long
Speaker 1: as you're talking about him, or better yet, following him.
Speaker 1: He's so accomplished in sports journalism, in business and life.
Speaker 1: He is currently the senior executive producer at the Action Network,
Speaker 1: covering sports gambling as a whole. He has been at
Speaker 1: ESPN twice hired right out of college. You know, we
Speaker 1: actually discussed who was hired. They're younger. I always thought
Speaker 1: I was ESPN's youngest on air higher at twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was wrong. You've seen him on ABC News, CNBC.
Speaker 1: He wrote two books by the time he was twenty
Speaker 1: seven years old. He's anchored documentaries, led investigations, and he
Speaker 1: earned an Emmy for his two thousand eight election coverage
Speaker 1: for NBC Cash. He does it all. What I really
Speaker 1: like about his story though. He went to Northwestern, which
Speaker 1: has one of the best with some schools in the country,
Speaker 1: but he majors in theater. He has a great voice.
Speaker 1: He wanted to be on Broadway. While he was at school,
Speaker 1: he had a sports radio show where he kind of
Speaker 1: found this niche of sports business. And he said, even
Speaker 1: though I was a college student, I wanted to have
Speaker 1: the best sports business coverage in the country. So when
Speaker 1: ESPN comes to campus and Evanston looking for interns, he
Speaker 1: pitched himself and basically created a job that was not there. Gosh,
Speaker 1: he really fascinates me because he's such a high performer.
Speaker 1: He operates with utmost efficiency. We'll talk about all that
Speaker 1: with him so love him. Had Um, you probably follow him.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Darren Vel. Okay, Darren, before we get
Speaker 1: into some sports betting and sports business items, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to pick your brain on. I want to clear
Speaker 1: something up because I was at ESPN for five years
Speaker 1: as a sidebine reporter for college football and basketball, and
Speaker 1: I was under the assumption that I was some prodigy.
Speaker 1: I was told I was ESPN's youngest on air higher
Speaker 1: for a full season at twenty two years old. I
Speaker 1: had just turned twenty two. But then I heard you
Speaker 1: on a podcast say that you were the second youngest
Speaker 1: on air Higher behind Max Kellerman. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: That totally burst my bubble. But what is the story there?
Speaker 1: And can I still carefully craft the wording so I
Speaker 1: can tell my kids that one day it was seven
Speaker 1: days after my twenty second birthday. What do you got
Speaker 1: that's pretty good? This was May and I turned twenty
Speaker 1: in April. Okay, so I think I probably have you
Speaker 1: by a slipper. Yeah, no, just I mean just a
Speaker 1: whacko story of you know, me reading and I always
Speaker 1: say young people don't get this, but me reading the
Speaker 1: green pages of USA today as much as the red pages,
Speaker 1: so the business section, the B section before the C
Speaker 1: section sports and just falling in love with the idea
Speaker 1: of being a business reporter who covers sports and not
Speaker 1: believing that there really wasn't one at the national level.
Speaker 1: And just luckily, you know, ESPN came to Northwestern and
Speaker 1: it wasn't an HR person. If it was, I would
Speaker 1: not I might have made it to ESPN at some
Speaker 1: point and I said, you guys are the worldwide leader
Speaker 1: in sports, why don't you be the worldwide leader in
Speaker 1: sports business? And it was a little bit foreign, but
Speaker 1: I think they got the idea. And I was in
Speaker 1: Bristol like three weeks later, Man, what's Max Kellerman story? Then?
Speaker 1: Kellerman was on a local access TV station in New
Speaker 1: York at eighteen, and he was so we kind of
Speaker 1: have that kinship in common of like like being on
Speaker 1: the national stage so young. You know, I set up
Speaker 1: all these rules that I'm thankful for now for my career.
Speaker 1: Like one of them was like I'm never dating anyone
Speaker 1: from MSP and not going on a single date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as inconvenient as that was in Bristol, I mean
Speaker 1: you were more on the road. If I would have
Speaker 1: done that it just would have complicated so many things.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of rules that I made, like
Speaker 1: not drinking in public. Like again, because I had this job,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I was there. It was my dream
Speaker 1: and I was going to do nothing to destroy it.
Speaker 1: But that also has to do with considering yourself a brand,
Speaker 1: which you did before people even use that term, like
Speaker 1: my brand, I'm branding myself. What's the secret, sauce to
Speaker 1: branding yourself in any industry? That's a really good question.
Speaker 1: First of all, you need to be unique in a
Speaker 1: way that people think about you. So one of the
Speaker 1: things I did, and this was later on with Twitter,
Speaker 1: was I knew I couldn't get all the sports business,
Speaker 1: but I knew that if I could be a conduit,
Speaker 1: a go between where you know what I do. And
Speaker 1: you saw something that I would have done if I
Speaker 1: would have seen it, and now I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: credit for seeing it, but it's gonna be on my
Speaker 1: timeline and kind of doing it that way. And I
Speaker 1: think like when people say, like this is what Darren
Speaker 1: Ravel would have said, you know, it's just heavily defining
Speaker 1: what you are and what you would say in certain situations,
Speaker 1: and it begins with pounding and pounding and pounding the
Speaker 1: same thing. So you know that like Tiger Woods, after
Speaker 1: it as a put, revel is going to give me
Speaker 1: the you know what he made and what his career
Speaker 1: money is. And I think just through repetition, that's really
Speaker 1: how you build a brand and identity. I haven't heard
Speaker 1: it described that way, but that makes so much sense too,
Speaker 1: because you've found such a niche and you did it
Speaker 1: first with sports business, but you also do it in
Speaker 1: you know, your theater background. You you wanted to make
Speaker 1: a push up Broadway like you have this curiosity that
Speaker 1: extends far beyond sports. That's why it's so important for
Speaker 1: for I always think about for liberal arts education, for
Speaker 1: being curious, just being curious. You know, I have a
Speaker 1: brain that just works at a speed that is both
Speaker 1: good and very bad. I have three kids. When I
Speaker 1: have to slow down and just play hockey or just
Speaker 1: play in the pool, that is the hardest that I
Speaker 1: have to literally or on vacation, to not read a
Speaker 1: book or look at a phone, to sit there, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, is torturous. But that's also made me what
Speaker 1: why I'm good at what I do and I'm multitask
Speaker 1: work for the Action Network. I am dealing with a
Speaker 1: memorabilia collection that I'm building every day. I'm a partner
Speaker 1: in a venture capital firm that invests in food and beverage.
Speaker 1: It's accepting that the good and the bad and learning
Speaker 1: how to train it throughout life. But it doesn't help
Speaker 1: when you're on Twitter the way I am for good
Speaker 1: and bad. You know, to figure out how to disconnect.
Speaker 1: Do you have minions who help you with your social media?
Speaker 1: I have fired every single tweet, all two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty thousand or something like that I have. I will
Speaker 1: not let anyone touch it. I do have a guy
Speaker 1: who we have a three way system. It is designed
Speaker 1: so that I could relax for thirty seconds. He spends
Speaker 1: time on Twitter all day and the only job is
Speaker 1: to fire missives to me in three ways. If something
Speaker 1: is interesting and not that important, but he wants me
Speaker 1: to see it and it fits my brand and what
Speaker 1: I would do, he emails it to me if it
Speaker 1: is semi urgent, could possibly be something I need to
Speaker 1: get on. That is a text, and then whenever I
Speaker 1: see him call if no matter where I am, and
Speaker 1: that's maybe one time a day I'm picking up that phone.
Speaker 1: The thing is that I need to tell the betting
Speaker 1: story or the business story to the original story, and
Speaker 1: the faster I can get that original story the faster,
Speaker 1: or I can then get out that secondary story right right.
Speaker 1: It's twofold, and it used to be into you know,
Speaker 1: I started in two thousand. It used to be there
Speaker 1: was a page called rich Johnson's Sports Pages. There was
Speaker 1: all these links of every sports section and I wake
Speaker 1: up at six am and read every damn sports section
Speaker 1: and see, like, what is the story that is the
Speaker 1: magic today? And so when people say like how I
Speaker 1: think I was probably in between the first and tenth
Speaker 1: journalist on Twitter, and people are like, how did you
Speaker 1: recognize that that was the platform? And I was like
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was swimming in a sea of trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get things, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And I realized that if I followed the right people
Speaker 1: on Twitter, I wouldn't have to do what I've done before.
Speaker 1: So it really it came to you. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: about disseminating information. It was about absorbing the information. What's
Speaker 1: your morning routeam, Like, how do you start off your day?
Speaker 1: Because your quantity I feel like is out of this
Speaker 1: world all times you were discussing, so like right now
Speaker 1: I have about seven hundred tweets already to go for
Speaker 1: the future. So like, I mean, I've morbidly thought about this.
Speaker 1: But if I were to die and my wife doesn't
Speaker 1: have my pass code or anything like that, like you'd
Speaker 1: be getting Darren Ravel tweets Like today, you know, you
Speaker 1: said give your wife your password. She has my cell
Speaker 1: phone password. It's so fine, Ums, got to get in.
Speaker 1: Nothing's locked. I don't I have one phone? Um I
Speaker 1: have That surprises me that you have one phone? Sev
Speaker 1: dred chargers I have. I do have one phone. Um,
Speaker 1: now I lost my train of thought. What were we
Speaker 1: just talking about? Your morning? Your teine, my morning routine.
Speaker 1: So my morning routine is actually my night routine. So
Speaker 1: before I go to bed, I write on a piece
Speaker 1: of lines paper, you know, I take a piece of
Speaker 1: line paper and I write everything I need to do.
Speaker 1: And there are certain dates that I get ready for.
Speaker 1: So today July ist anniversary of the moon landing, and
Speaker 1: I have some moon landing pieces I have. I just
Speaker 1: in the Memorabilisi. It's fun for me too. But like
Speaker 1: July twenty nights the fourth anniversary of the most famous
Speaker 1: wedding ever, Charles and Diana, and I have a ticket
Speaker 1: that got you into the church that though, so so
Speaker 1: you know. I'm a big I'm a history buff, I'm
Speaker 1: a theater buff. I'm a cinema music renaissance man. I
Speaker 1: love all this, and I love the art of telling
Speaker 1: the story for your memorabilia collection. I saw the other
Speaker 1: day the shirt that Tom Hanks more in Forrest Gump
Speaker 1: when he's running in that whole sequence, not not the
Speaker 1: Smiley phase one. I probably couldn't afford that, just the Nike.
Speaker 1: Do you buy these for a personal collection? That is
Speaker 1: ultimately an investment. Nothing that I buy is cheaper than
Speaker 1: the day I buy it. I really believe that because
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the story of it. I'm going
Speaker 1: to figure it out. I'm gonna get Tom Hanks to
Speaker 1: sign it. I'm always trying to add value. And the
Speaker 1: truth is, I enjoy my collections, but I don't enjoy
Speaker 1: them enough not to sell them. So I try to
Speaker 1: jump ahead on markets a one to three years in advance.
Speaker 1: So I like to I mean, I'm just big on nostalgia.
Speaker 1: As an eighties kid, I think eighties it tugs the
Speaker 1: heartstrings a little bit more for some reason. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think I know nostalgia. So like when I
Speaker 1: saw that graded video games were coming out and people
Speaker 1: were taking sealed video games and grading them and that
Speaker 1: they were gonna be worth thousands of dollars, I was
Speaker 1: not the guy that said, oh, that's so stupid. I
Speaker 1: was the guy said, oh my god, I get it.
Speaker 1: It makes complete sense. So, you know, I see the
Speaker 1: first generation iPhones are selling for ears, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: makes complete sense to me, you know. And it's also
Speaker 1: funny because what were you gonna do, Like, as a
Speaker 1: young kid, you weren't gonna hold onto the video game.
Speaker 1: You know, you rip you all ripped it open. I
Speaker 1: love the idea of natural scarcity of things. Well, you've
Speaker 1: been a pioneer in sports business reporting, then you transition
Speaker 1: to news, You've covered politics, elections, You've won an Emmy.
Speaker 1: Now you're with Action Network on the gambling side, a
Speaker 1: senior executive producer Why sports betting? So in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: I was coming to the end of my second stint
Speaker 1: at ESPN. I had seven months left on my contract.
Speaker 1: But here I was sitting in New Jersey. The Supreme
Speaker 1: Court had just made their decision whereby states can now
Speaker 1: decide whether they want to legalize gambling. And I'm in
Speaker 1: New Jersey here and I'm seeing it at the ground floor.
Speaker 1: I happened to be in. Not many people say thank
Speaker 1: god I live in New Jersey, but in this case
Speaker 1: it definitely applied. Um. I was seeing the world of
Speaker 1: what it would be at maturity in my state, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. My friends who would talk about
Speaker 1: sports and text about sports who were not betters, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, We're getting into the lines that spreads
Speaker 1: everything going on. And I said, this is just going
Speaker 1: to mirror across the country. If you were to see
Speaker 1: the buses in New York City that went from New
Speaker 1: York to New Jersey and back, like every bus was
Speaker 1: at MGM, whatever it was. And I just said, you
Speaker 1: know what I've I've gone from writing twenty to forty
Speaker 1: to sixty gambling stories a year. Can I do it?
Speaker 1: You know? Full time? Knowing that if there were big
Speaker 1: sports business stories, especially now like name image and like
Speaker 1: this and other things, obviously the Action Network is gonna
Speaker 1: set me loose. But could I do it more, and
Speaker 1: I love covering the big bets, and I love covering,
Speaker 1: you know, all the betting where the money is, where
Speaker 1: people are voting with their wallet. You know, that's what
Speaker 1: people whether it's a jersey list or whether it's it's gambling,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be so much focused on it, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of I think I'm an adrenaline. I know
Speaker 1: I'm in adrenaline. I'd say so. Plus the other thing was,
Speaker 1: you know, this is no disrespect to anyone, but there
Speaker 1: had not really been a big reporter into the into
Speaker 1: the betting game. It was the right time because there
Speaker 1: wasn't any like, oh, he's not a journalist anymore. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that has to do with
Speaker 1: the Action Network being like a real it's a real
Speaker 1: media outlet. Yes, it helps betters get better, but like
Speaker 1: it's not a tout service, so there's no reaction to that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I felt like I could make betting
Speaker 1: journalism better, and I feel like I have. I'd agree,
Speaker 1: it's good to have your name and your credibility as well.
Speaker 1: Come to the space because this is where the industry
Speaker 1: is going. Obviously here we are talking about it. You
Speaker 1: brought up n I L I want to pick your
Speaker 1: brain on this a little bit. It is the I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you ask the question because you're the host,
Speaker 1: but it's hard for you. Yes, I'm the host. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm the captain. Now shut up there. Uh. In twenty years,
Speaker 1: it's definitely one of it. It's probably the craziest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, the idea that and I wrote. I
Speaker 1: probably wrote the very first stories on, you know when
Speaker 1: at Syracuse when Carmelo told me, you know, my name
Speaker 1: should be on the back of the jersey and I
Speaker 1: should be getting a piece that's two thousand three, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and I've covered and I've asked every n C president about,
Speaker 1: you know, merchandizing and everything. The fact that on July one,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the whole thing opened up, and
Speaker 1: because of the n c A losing a Supreme Court
Speaker 1: case like days before, told their appeal was shut down.
Speaker 1: There is no clearing house. No one says anything about
Speaker 1: what a deal should be, how much that deal should
Speaker 1: be worth fair market value, or could a booster just
Speaker 1: offer Oh, boosters shouldn't d m the players July one,
Speaker 1: boosters can d M the players give them your offer.
Speaker 1: Oh agents, agents can now represent players. It can't be
Speaker 1: an inducement to represent them when they are a pro.
Speaker 1: But I mean it is just in flood gates. Open
Speaker 1: the flood gates. There should have been like on is
Speaker 1: a transition period or or meetings. And I guess my
Speaker 1: question to you then is, if you're an athletic director,
Speaker 1: how do you stay on top of this. I've spoken
Speaker 1: to athletic directors. The first time they see deals is
Speaker 1: when it gets filed to the school. There's no conversation
Speaker 1: with the school, there's no conversation with the coach, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're like, yeah, hey, we know
Speaker 1: you need to file this deal. Here, this guy's getting
Speaker 1: forty an autograph and this and that. By the way,
Speaker 1: once they file the deal on what you know, like
Speaker 1: this guy's getting whatever per autograph that athlete is not
Speaker 1: necessarily required to say as long as it's not during
Speaker 1: practice time exactly when he's doing what we're right, So, like,
Speaker 1: you definitely lose control. And I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think because it seems to be a free for all
Speaker 1: that there won't be people who will lose eligible ability here.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not as free as it seems. Though,
Speaker 1: Again I cannot believe, and I discussed this with Oliver Lack,
Speaker 1: because I can't believe there's not a clearinghouse that says
Speaker 1: this is what each endorsement should be worth for if
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the SEC or if he signs this
Speaker 1: deal and if it's above that, there's a holding period
Speaker 1: or something like that. Now, it's gonna be harder to
Speaker 1: cheat with the schools having the contracts, but you know
Speaker 1: the big schools. Now here's the thing that I think
Speaker 1: is interesting. What happens if you have a girl like
Speaker 1: Olivia Done and she's at LSU Gymnastics and they have
Speaker 1: a great program. But or let's say that the Cabinder
Speaker 1: twins at Fresno State? Am I more likely to go
Speaker 1: to Fresno State so that I could then appear in
Speaker 1: their videos and get my value up? Right? Like? Think
Speaker 1: about that, right? Like Olivia Donne has a million plus
Speaker 1: Instagram followers, right right? And Olivia Donne has yeah, three
Speaker 1: point seven three point nine million on TikTok. Why go there?
Speaker 1: Because I want to be around her and she's going
Speaker 1: to increase my value. We've never had that before in
Speaker 1: that sense. And then I'm glad that the atrocity of
Speaker 1: South Carolina women's basketball and Clemson football of oh our
Speaker 1: players voted that we didn't want to be on social media.
Speaker 1: No they didn't, Okay, okay, don't don't give it that
Speaker 1: ALA's ball and no. And I've always and I've gotten
Speaker 1: garbage from and I listen, I take it. I go
Speaker 1: to battle every day. I'm fine. I know what I think.
Speaker 1: I think you like battle. I think you I do.
Speaker 1: I do like I do like battle again Creditlin Raging.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to say what I need to say.
Speaker 1: But the Clemson people who were killing me every year, listen,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have hurt Trevor Lawrence. Maybe it would have
Speaker 1: a little bit. But like if you can't engage during
Speaker 1: the season, you know, one, that's the coach taking away
Speaker 1: your opportunity to make mistakes, which is selfish because you
Speaker 1: should make mistakes. You know, my horrible mistakes when I've
Speaker 1: been trending nationally on Twitter, you know above Jared Folk
Speaker 1: of Subway, for God's sakes, you know, that's when you
Speaker 1: really learned. Oh good, we'll just be thankful that yours was.
Speaker 1: And I know exactly what incident you're referring to is
Speaker 1: you got duped? And as far as I'm concerned, one
Speaker 1: major mistake in a career of reporting. Yeah, you know people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a whole bunch of things. Sometimes you make
Speaker 1: a call. I would say that the times when I've
Speaker 1: made mistakes is when I'm just not fully paying attention.
Speaker 1: You know, young twin boys. They're both crying at the
Speaker 1: same time, and I'm trying to, like, you know, tweet
Speaker 1: that doesn't work. Oh, don't blame it on the twins.
Speaker 1: Now I'm playing, Oh I will they can? You want
Speaker 1: to tell that story real quick so our listeners know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Yeah, with the NBA escorts, Yes,
Speaker 1: So basically I was doing a story on how the
Speaker 1: NBA was down in their labor situation, that things were suffering,
Speaker 1: and there was a guy who emailed me who said
Speaker 1: that he was of an escort service and his business
Speaker 1: was down thirt So I did not call him, but
Speaker 1: I conducted an email interview and I basically to see
Speaker 1: if he was real. I asked him what I thought
Speaker 1: were really tough questions and he answered them really well,
Speaker 1: and I put it in the article. And like three
Speaker 1: or four years later he said, I was this guy.
Speaker 1: And now what's what's interesting is when a newsperson is
Speaker 1: holding a microphone up to someone, if someone wants to
Speaker 1: lie and say they saw the kid jumping off, that
Speaker 1: we usually never know. But if you're at a point
Speaker 1: where you're an E list celebrity like me and you
Speaker 1: want people want to get back at you, right, and
Speaker 1: there's a malicious way, that's the only thing that the
Speaker 1: way that comes out. But unfortunately, I think journalists are
Speaker 1: lied to every day to their face, yes, but it
Speaker 1: never really comes out. So that you know, that was
Speaker 1: I was like six or seven years in my career.
Speaker 1: I now make sure I double e check or it
Speaker 1: doesn't wind up. You know, in an article, there are
Speaker 1: so many there's many opportunities you can have to say
Speaker 1: something in the wrong way to you know, you've got
Speaker 1: to be really careful with how you choose your words.
Speaker 1: And here we are talking about sports, and your story
Speaker 1: was more about sports business and how the lockout was
Speaker 1: affecting everything. I've been lied to by a head football
Speaker 1: coach about who the starting quarterback is within two minutes
Speaker 1: of kickoff and went on air with bad information and
Speaker 1: I see the other quarterback running on the field and
Speaker 1: you just feel so hung out to dry. Now yours
Speaker 1: was this person had malicious intent? Olivia? I had a
Speaker 1: worst situation. I was doing a profile of Michael Vick's
Speaker 1: agent while the agent was negotiating with what I thought
Speaker 1: was the San Diego Chargers to move up to the
Speaker 1: first pick in the draft in two thousand one. I
Speaker 1: was in the same hotel room as the agent and
Speaker 1: he's saying, it's the Chargers, is the Charges And I'm
Speaker 1: doing like a live blog and like someone else's reporting
Speaker 1: that they're coming close to a deal with the Falcons,
Speaker 1: like he lied to me in the room, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's hard. It's hard. You got it.
Speaker 1: You're expect to get things right all the time. And
Speaker 1: that's why I you know, in situations where I've had
Speaker 1: one source, you know, it's you know, There's been probably
Speaker 1: five or ten situations where I have one source on
Speaker 1: massive stories, and I've gone with it only because I've
Speaker 1: known it was lock Stock. Kobe changing his jersey number
Speaker 1: from from eight to twenty four, had one source. It
Speaker 1: wasn't Kobe, but it was someone good enough that I
Speaker 1: was going to go with so, yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: have all these rules. Hey, speaking of Kobe, you all
Speaker 1: had a special relationship. How did that relationship form? And
Speaker 1: what do you feel like he would have done off
Speaker 1: the court if he wasn't so tragically taken from us.
Speaker 1: So in two thousands six, I interviewed Kobe and uh,
Speaker 1: he said, Hey, you're always talking about the business, you know,
Speaker 1: as I get to the end of my career, which
Speaker 1: is again that wasn't at the end of his career
Speaker 1: at ten more years left, but it was the first
Speaker 1: ten second ten said I want to do more business.
Speaker 1: Give me your phone number. So I gave my phone number,
Speaker 1: and he continued to surprise me. He wanted to learn
Speaker 1: about companies to invest in. And I had been investing
Speaker 1: in food and beverage companies and we set you know,
Speaker 1: I used to go to l A and he his
Speaker 1: favorite restaurant was this eyehop that only had ten tables.
Speaker 1: Because only ten people or ten people full of tables
Speaker 1: could notice him. He was very friendly. He said hi
Speaker 1: to everyone, and we were going to invest in this
Speaker 1: company and it was eight million dollars for ten percent,
Speaker 1: and I told him to invest in it, and he
Speaker 1: ultimately didn't and six months later it told sold for
Speaker 1: two five million, and he goes, he goes, next one,
Speaker 1: next one. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah. So we played
Speaker 1: that game and I knew I had a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on me to do the next one. And we
Speaker 1: went back and forth. We talked all the time. So
Speaker 1: for the next one, I said, Okay, I got this guy.
Speaker 1: He just sold vitamin water to Coke for four point
Speaker 1: one billion. His name is Micropoli. You might not like
Speaker 1: the drink right now, but this is a horse that
Speaker 1: I would attach my name to and go. So I'm
Speaker 1: telling you you already lost twenty three million by not
Speaker 1: listening to me. I'm telling you put your money in.
Speaker 1: He put six million dollars in four and in the
Speaker 1: next six months. I think it's gonna sell for five
Speaker 1: to seven billion. So he's not around, but his family
Speaker 1: will have, you know, five or six million. That's a
Speaker 1: great story. He was a guy who I would say
Speaker 1: like lived life in a way that he almost like
Speaker 1: new life was short. I know that sounds freaky, but
Speaker 1: he did not sleep and he was the most voracious
Speaker 1: guy I'd ever seen, and he would have done so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at what he did in his short
Speaker 1: time off the court, with the books and the and
Speaker 1: the business study did and winning the Oscar for dear basketball.
Speaker 1: It's really sad. It really hit me recently when my
Speaker 1: kid brought home a book Who was Kobe Bryant? And
Speaker 1: I was man that that was I was like, God,
Speaker 1: he's past tense. It's crazy. It's still hard to believe.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that too. That's really interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: My dad, I know, worked with Kobe a lot too
Speaker 1: when he started doing some broadcasting and uh, he said,
Speaker 1: his last picture with Kobe, it was them walking in
Speaker 1: the tunnel at Staples Center and someone took a picture
Speaker 1: and he has it. And I asked him, Dad, do
Speaker 1: you remember what you guys were talking about in this picture?
Speaker 1: You know that's Kobe Bryant and now everyone's thinking about
Speaker 1: their last encounter with them. And he said all he
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about was his daughter's and my dad
Speaker 1: has three daughters and that's what they were talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, that's crazy. I have a video
Speaker 1: of when he announced his retirement in Philly that luckily
Speaker 1: another journalists took and he hugs me and the first
Speaker 1: thing he asked is did you bring your babies down
Speaker 1: with you? You know? He ever forgot to ask about
Speaker 1: you know, your kids. By the way, my favorite line
Speaker 1: from your father. I hope I don't mess this up.
Speaker 1: I think it's like without regard for human life or
Speaker 1: something like that. I can't remember something like with no
Speaker 1: regard for human life. Yeah, I mean, god, that is
Speaker 1: you know, a big fan. I'm a big fan. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you as we are of you. I want to
Speaker 1: I want to wrap up talking more about sports betting
Speaker 1: and now your presence in it. But you recently spoke
Speaker 1: with our VP of Trading, Jason Scott about NBA futures
Speaker 1: in June and how the playoffs have been so good
Speaker 1: to sports book because I mean, here we are with
Speaker 1: Phoenix and Milwaukee with the heck, why is this so rare?
Speaker 1: How did this all take shape? Yeah? You know, I
Speaker 1: mean I just don't think any even people in Phoenix
Speaker 1: did not think this was there. I think the start
Speaker 1: of the season they were the fourteen most likely team
Speaker 1: to win. You know, Milwaukee was up there. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people bet for them to win the
Speaker 1: I think they were as sure as in the beginning
Speaker 1: six to one. I think a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: thought that they would definitely win the Eastern Conference. But
Speaker 1: then there was so much of a conclusion out west
Speaker 1: that you know, the Lakers or the Clippers. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Clippers just got so hot with the idea of
Speaker 1: Kauai and Paul George on the same team. There just
Speaker 1: wasn't new energy around Milwaukee. And honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: people knew how good Chris Middleton was. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is ridiculous and and I just he reminds me of
Speaker 1: Sam Perkins. He's kind of like Drew Bide shows almost
Speaker 1: no emotion and is just an assassin. I mean, and
Speaker 1: then obviously Connachton and all the other players just played.
Speaker 1: They are the Milwaukee Bucks in a sense, are the
Speaker 1: perfect team, and that's why they don't get looks because
Speaker 1: we are geared towards a world of stars stars. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's really well said. You know, it's funny
Speaker 1: with sports betting right now after finals, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a dead time in the sports calendar before we get
Speaker 1: in a football season. But April this past aprils were
Speaker 1: coming out of COVID was the second biggest month ever
Speaker 1: for the US Gaming industry revenue grew. Why do you
Speaker 1: think sports betting has flourished after the year we had.
Speaker 1: Why is it so hot right now? I think it's
Speaker 1: why crypto has been big. I think listen, I mean
Speaker 1: I bought nine thousand dollars worth of digital horses. I did.
Speaker 1: It only lasted forty one day. Is because speaking of
Speaker 1: cheating on the wife almost he was whispering and I
Speaker 1: was very uncomfortable obviously, like she, I spent nine thousand
Speaker 1: dollars on digital horses. I did sell them for a
Speaker 1: nice margin. But like and then crypto, it's like, you know, crypto,
Speaker 1: we need to get our dopamine going. Memorabilia, nostalgia, our
Speaker 1: life's talks. We can't see people like we normally see.
Speaker 1: We go back to the time when we were kids
Speaker 1: and we look at things and it lights up our eyes.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, I think it's all connected betting,
Speaker 1: in crypto and memorabilia. We are trying to just have
Speaker 1: something kind of doing that, but it has something to
Speaker 1: live for, like in each day, figure out how to
Speaker 1: have intensity running through our body. And I think that
Speaker 1: very simply, that's what it is. That's where it is.
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree one more thing. Mental health has never
Speaker 1: been more relevant for US Layman and for athletes, It's
Speaker 1: never been discussed more in sports. You host a podcast
Speaker 1: with theo Floury We're all a little bit crazy about
Speaker 1: mental health. I love the title what have you learned
Speaker 1: from doing the show? So when I hit forty, I
Speaker 1: was like, I've only enriched myself. I haven't really done
Speaker 1: that much for society. And I looked at all the
Speaker 1: things that I could have done. I disagree. First of all,
Speaker 1: you have brought us a lot of entertainment of the years. Ok, entertainment, joy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, you know, but I want to
Speaker 1: do some real things. And I thought, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not a doctor. I can't cut out something and give
Speaker 1: someone life that had cancer. And you know, mental health
Speaker 1: is a crazy thing. No one thinks about mental health.
Speaker 1: I was in two thousand and ten. I was humming
Speaker 1: along with my career. I was in Vancouver for the Olympics.
Speaker 1: I was broadcasting for CNBC, starting at two thirty in
Speaker 1: the morning and ending it to thirty in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: and something was running through my body. I had adrenaline
Speaker 1: running through my body and my feet were shaking and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck is going on? I do
Speaker 1: not know what's going on. I essentially like I had
Speaker 1: never taken care of my mental health, and it just
Speaker 1: this is the time, like actually thirty if you look
Speaker 1: at like, that was the time like where I just
Speaker 1: broke down and I somehow like got on some medication
Speaker 1: which was crazy where the words were moving around in
Speaker 1: the and I'm like, okay, Like when people say, oh,
Speaker 1: you were on three milligrams of this drug, what were
Speaker 1: you in bed all day? I go, no, I was
Speaker 1: on national television for twelve hours, and they go, that's impossible.
Speaker 1: So I realized, okay, I can't. Drugs are not going
Speaker 1: to save me in this thing. I gotta do therapy,
Speaker 1: I gotta do I gotta find all these things. And
Speaker 1: I found myself and I and I and I figured
Speaker 1: it out and then I said, you know what, I
Speaker 1: gotta just work on this for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: So I joined the organizations actually we're a little crazy,
Speaker 1: and then we started doing this podcast. We went around
Speaker 1: to twenty to thirty schools and gave these presentations where
Speaker 1: we told stories, did breathing exercises, allowed people to ask
Speaker 1: questions in a forum on mental health that they've never
Speaker 1: had before. I think I've saved probably lives again I'm
Speaker 1: not counting, but there were people who were in bad
Speaker 1: shape who didn't know what to do. So we're hoping that,
Speaker 1: you know, through talk, through reaching out to us. I mean,
Speaker 1: the podcast has been great. We've had so many topics
Speaker 1: to talk about, whether it's Naomi a Soca or or
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman or whoever. So yeah, very important to my
Speaker 1: life and at the speed that my life runs. I
Speaker 1: think that's the part where I kind of slowed down
Speaker 1: and it feels really good to give back because it's
Speaker 1: the community Olivia is so underserved, and you know, you
Speaker 1: have these statistics that come out with oh, the year
Speaker 1: in COVID there were fewer suicides, and then Unconnected the
Speaker 1: same organization a month later says, oh, there were twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand more drug overdoses. Like if you connected that,
Speaker 1: it's the worst year for for death in that sense.
Speaker 1: So I hope that my platform can augment it and
Speaker 1: really talk about it before. It's like we always hear
Speaker 1: like suicide hotline, that's a great I'm not shutting that down,
Speaker 1: but like let's get of people for ye make people
Speaker 1: realize they need to talk to someone. Let's let's make
Speaker 1: it cheaper, Let's make it easier to get to all that.
Speaker 1: I think that's really important. Well, Darren, thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing not only your story. Everyone should check out that podcast.
Speaker 1: We're all a little bit crazy, and thank you for
Speaker 1: letting us tell that story as well. And for the record,
Speaker 1: every time you have a platform like you do, and
Speaker 1: you're so big on social media and now this podcast,
Speaker 1: I bet you're helping a lot more people than you realize.
Speaker 1: So thank you for speaking out on that awesome thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us today. I wish we
Speaker 1: could go so much longer just about your career. There's
Speaker 1: too much. There's too much going on. There is there is.
Speaker 1: You are one of a kind. Darren Ravell, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being on. Thanks Olivia. Peter Andrew was
Speaker 1: bet MGMs betting expert. He helped us out every week. Peter,
Speaker 1: welcome back. Sons still unable to win their first title.
Speaker 1: They lost four straight games in this year's final. Now,
Speaker 1: after the game, Chris Paul says he's not retiring, So
Speaker 1: now we wait and see if the Sons want to
Speaker 1: pay him this offseason, bring him back. They're at plus
Speaker 1: four hundred to win the title in how do you
Speaker 1: like that one after the way we saw them go
Speaker 1: out this season. Yeah, it's gonna be tricky. I mean
Speaker 1: you can obviously talk about janice Is amazing game yesterday,
Speaker 1: but there's also something to be said about Chris Paul
Speaker 1: and Devin Booker's not so great game. I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of the Sons for next season. You kind of
Speaker 1: alluded to it. Who knows what's going to happen. I
Speaker 1: tend to think Chris Paul may end up somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I think Lakers Lakers is Magic Johnson last night. I
Speaker 1: think that's always an option. So it's gonna be really
Speaker 1: interesting to see. Absolutely what were the numbers ending up
Speaker 1: with Joannice winning m VP by the way, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it varied as the tournament went on, but I think
Speaker 1: if you went in the second round you would have
Speaker 1: got him at something like plus seven hundred, which is
Speaker 1: great value. And then going into the championship when he
Speaker 1: was I think it was unclear how much he was
Speaker 1: gonna play. I think you had somewhere around five or
Speaker 1: six hundred. So if you had an inkling that he
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, show up and be able to play,
Speaker 1: and on that that injury, you still left yourself with
Speaker 1: the chunk of chains that gives you a hundred bucks
Speaker 1: right there. So not a bad deal. And we actually
Speaker 1: had a customer parlay both bucks to win and your
Speaker 1: honest to win m v P. So um a nice
Speaker 1: little payoff for that customer. Oh. Absolutely. Now it does
Speaker 1: seem very early to be talking about NBA favorites for
Speaker 1: next year, but that's why we're degenerates and this is
Speaker 1: so fun. So NBA favorites next year, the Nets at
Speaker 1: plus two, they'll hopefully be healthy, strong with Harden and Katie,
Speaker 1: and then Lakers and then Bucks plus eight hundred. Are
Speaker 1: you taking any of those early? Yeah? So the way
Speaker 1: I think I look at it early on, you know,
Speaker 1: really early on, about two hundred days away from another season.
Speaker 1: I look at the teams that current odds could change dramatically.
Speaker 1: So a person like Damian Lillard, is he available and
Speaker 1: does he go to a team like the Heat or
Speaker 1: the Knicks or even the Lakers. So those are probably
Speaker 1: the teams that I would approach for fifty For the Lakers,
Speaker 1: I think that changes dramatically if they get a Chris
Speaker 1: Paul or Damian Lillard, definitely he plus thirty knicks plus
Speaker 1: eight thousand, those teams become, you know, infinitely better when
Speaker 1: you get when you add a point guard like that,
Speaker 1: and uh, an absolute all star, an Olympian as well.
Speaker 1: And then the last team I think I go with
Speaker 1: is the Nuggets. Jamal Murray will be healthy again, I
Speaker 1: think you can you can say that they had a
Speaker 1: little bit of the short end of the stick due
Speaker 1: to his injury. It was clear and apparent, so I'd
Speaker 1: take them early on now too. Absolutely sticking with basketball,
Speaker 1: USA men's basketball in the Olympics. They start Sunday versus France.
Speaker 1: Zach Lavine was cleared. Brad Beale still out that that
Speaker 1: whole situation stucks. Plus three sixty for the US to
Speaker 1: win by six to ten points. How do you like
Speaker 1: that one? Yeah? I uh, they spread is eleven and
Speaker 1: a half. So I would rather take that because I
Speaker 1: think the USA basketball team actually has a bad taste
Speaker 1: in their mouth from a couple of those exhibition games.
Speaker 1: I can see them blowing friends out of the water.
Speaker 1: The odds aren't great for them to win the title.
Speaker 1: Their minus three fifty so you have to put up
Speaker 1: a little bit too to win a little bit. I
Speaker 1: would maybe hedge that with putting Australia as an example,
Speaker 1: who's plus seven fifty. I don't think they can do it,
Speaker 1: but I think if you throw a few bucks as
Speaker 1: as kind of the backup, I think that lends you
Speaker 1: a good position where you kind of trail USA throughout
Speaker 1: the tournament and then just make sure you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of of your money on on Australia as
Speaker 1: well should they pull up the crazy upset. But the
Speaker 1: good thing for us is throughout the entire tournament for
Speaker 1: the Olympics, we're actually running a promotion for USA basketball,
Speaker 1: so every game you can bet twenty on them and
Speaker 1: you get a free five dollar bet. So we want
Speaker 1: you to ride in the storm just like we will.
Speaker 1: I love that everyone should check that out. Olympics are
Speaker 1: so fun and even more fun when you've got something
Speaker 1: at stake yourself. Right, Absolutely, It's gonna be fun a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Okay, I'm gonna have a really fun
Speaker 1: week this week. I'm going to Detroit with our bet
Speaker 1: MGM family, staying at the MGM Grand excited to visit
Speaker 1: our sports book there as well. What should I put
Speaker 1: some money on as we're looking forward maybe to football
Speaker 1: season a little bit um, there aren't many live events
Speaker 1: this week quite yet. What what would you recommend I
Speaker 1: take a look at. Yeah, so futures obviously are are
Speaker 1: going to be the big thing for the next month.
Speaker 1: I think, not only do you look at just teams
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl where it's this crazy sexy payout,
Speaker 1: teams to win a division. I think you look at
Speaker 1: a couple I happen to be a Niners fan, but
Speaker 1: Cardinals I think are plus six to win the NFC West.
Speaker 1: I love that for a team like like the Cards
Speaker 1: that have a guy like Kyler Murray that somehow is
Speaker 1: still up and coming and still hasn't even proven what
Speaker 1: he can be. He's already a great player. He might
Speaker 1: have even been a Pro Bowler last year. But you
Speaker 1: look at teams like that where they have a legitimate shot.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's going to happen with someone like
Speaker 1: the Rams losing cam Akers yesterday. Seattle is always up
Speaker 1: in the air. Niners have a lot of things they're
Speaker 1: working through as well, with quarterback situation. I would really
Speaker 1: lean going into division winners even a f c R
Speaker 1: NFC winners, and then obviously football winners for the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and then a couple of golf tournaments. So three m
Speaker 1: starts tomorrow and you can put a bet on that
Speaker 1: can go on a wrap and actually look at some
Speaker 1: of the events down the line as well. So there's
Speaker 1: still ton to bet on. And obviously you said at
Speaker 1: the Olympics hockey is on its way back slowly, and
Speaker 1: certainly NBA as well. But now I want to quick
Speaker 1: payout while I'm there, and you know, beater, I'm very cheap,
Speaker 1: so it's like pulling it from my stone cold grip,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited. I was looking there are some live events,
Speaker 1: they're like under twenty games. I was looking at feeling
Speaker 1: pretty confident on Yeah, we we you know it's the
Speaker 1: lesser of the sports. But there's tongue going on. I
Speaker 1: think if you want your quick payout and we know
Speaker 1: you'll win the money obviously, I think you just go
Speaker 1: the baseball route, first five inning bets. You can obviously
Speaker 1: do full game bets. My Yankees are looking a little
Speaker 1: bit better as of late, so I think that's not
Speaker 1: a bad bet. I think they have the socks all
Speaker 1: weekend in in fan way, so it'll be an exciting series.
Speaker 1: We'll obviously have it on at the sports book at
Speaker 1: the MGM Grand Detroit, so you'll be able to get
Speaker 1: your fix and watch as well. I'm excited. Now, you
Speaker 1: also want to touch on NHL. The expansion Draft is
Speaker 1: this week. How do you feel about the Crackings team? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the team fully gets announced tonight, they've they've leaked
Speaker 1: a bit of it and the team looks really solid.
Speaker 1: So you know, the way the NHL works is you
Speaker 1: can protect a certain amount of players, we have to
Speaker 1: expose some of your players and a lot of times
Speaker 1: people have to expose a a superstar and All Star,
Speaker 1: a really good player. And based off what the Cracking
Speaker 1: are picking, they look like they have a legitimate team.
Speaker 1: Their plus four thousand as of right now too in
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup. Who's to say they can't do what
Speaker 1: what the Knights did and maybe even take a step
Speaker 1: further and actually win the Stanley Cup. So it's worth
Speaker 1: throwing a couple of bucks on them. And then this
Speaker 1: this week will obviously shake out where it's gonna be
Speaker 1: crazy because you have the actual NHL Draft this weekend.
Speaker 1: Free agency resumes. Teams are gonna be Wheelie and dealing.
Speaker 1: New York Rangers are rumor get Jacklichel there plus that
Speaker 1: will change dramatically if they land him. And then you
Speaker 1: have teams like the Maple Leafs that really teetering on
Speaker 1: getting over the edge. But their plus fourteen hundred. They
Speaker 1: have a great team. They have a top three team
Speaker 1: in the league. I think if you take any of
Speaker 1: those three put yourself in a good spot. We need
Speaker 1: to get Marty Turko on this show to help us
Speaker 1: get ready for NHL Draft week, right, yeah, absolutely he
Speaker 1: I think he'll agree with me on some of those things. Okay, okay, well, Peter,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for not only giving our audience grade
Speaker 1: advice week after week, but thank you for giving me
Speaker 1: some advice for my trip to Detroit. I am so excited.
Speaker 1: If I'm mad at you next week, you'll know why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have fun. I'm sure you'll have a last with
Speaker 1: our family. Oh yeah, Peter, Andrew thinks so much. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us this week, folks. I'm
Speaker 1: headed to Detroit to stay at our MGM grand I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to place a couple of bets while I'm there.
Speaker 1: Thank you for following. I'll let you know how I
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