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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's everybody doing on this Tuesday? Chris Brown se tasker

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Speaker 1: with you. One Bill's Live is the show back in

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Speaker 1: studio on the day off at training camp for the players.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back out there tomorrow and Thursday as the

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Speaker 1: Bills put a bowt on training camp in advance of

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Speaker 1: their first preseason game at high Mark Stadium Saturday, one pm.

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Speaker 1: Be there a B square. So yeah, we're kind of

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Speaker 1: we're in a little bit of a holding pattern here

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Speaker 1: today on an off day for the players, but they'll

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Speaker 1: be back at it tomorrow and Thursday out at Saint

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Speaker 1: John Fisher for the last two sessions for the fans

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Speaker 1: to take in. So look forward to that. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Steve, we got through the whole day yesterday

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Speaker 1: and we didn't mention the play of the day in

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Speaker 1: yesterday's practice, which was the laser throw by Josh to

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Speaker 1: Trent Sherfield in the front left corner of the end zone.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a whole shot between two defenders with Tredaevius

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Speaker 1: White and Taron Johnson and covered and Trent Sherfield made

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Speaker 1: a sliding catch in the front of the end zone

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Speaker 1: and it was too bullet of a pass. It was

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Speaker 1: a two minute drill right, yep, and cap the two

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Speaker 2: You know. It was exactly the play everybody forgets. It

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Speaker 2: was exactly like the play in Arizona before the hail merger. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was very much Bills in the front when Steph

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Speaker 2: Diggs caught Yes, Steph caught it and he goes and

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Speaker 2: he's like, that's why, that's why I'm here. That's when

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Speaker 2: he said, that's why I'm here. That's why they pay me.

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Speaker 1: And that's why that play is in the playbook.

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Speaker 2: And that's why nobody remembers that plays because of what

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Speaker 2: the the chuck and duck play that won the game

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Speaker 2: for Arizona, d hop, and that's that's the play that

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Speaker 2: gets forgotten. But that's exactly what it looked like. And

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Speaker 2: Surefield slid in, got it and it was in the

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Speaker 2: end zone right at the pylon. Really a nice play,

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Speaker 2: great throw by Josh. Fun to see. Yeah, this Surefield,

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Speaker 2: there's there's a whole group, even the guys down the roster.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we're playing some really good football down Yeah, with

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Speaker 2: a wide receiver spot. But yes, it's starting to come together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Keshawn Johnson at the catch of the day. Yes,

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Speaker 1: now it may have happened on a play that was

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Speaker 1: whistled for a sack.

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Speaker 2: They didn't whistled. But yes, if.

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Speaker 1: You're if you're Keishawn Johnson and your reps are limited,

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Speaker 1: had one handed grab.

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Speaker 2: In a crowd.

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Speaker 1: It was It was impressive. It was easily the catch

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Speaker 1: of the day.

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Speaker 2: That's as good a catch as I've seen the entire camp.

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Speaker 2: It really was.

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Speaker 1: The Other thing that we should bring to everyone's attention

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Speaker 1: is the initial depth chart is out from the Bills

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Speaker 1: in advance of the first preseason game. This is kind

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Speaker 1: of typical timing wise. A few days before the first

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Speaker 1: preseason game, the Bills put out their first depth chart,

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Speaker 1: and at the positions that are currently being battled for,

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Speaker 1: there are still candidates listed in a slash format. And

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Speaker 1: what we mean by that is like, for the middle linebacker,

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Speaker 1: spot Terrell Bernard and Tyrel Dodson are listed together there

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Speaker 1: in alphabetical order, and then Baylen Spector is listed behind them,

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Speaker 1: not grouped with them, which we kind of already had

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Speaker 1: spelled out to us to a certain extent by linebackers

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Speaker 1: coach Bobby Babbage on Sunday. Then at the cornerback two

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Speaker 1: position in alphabetical order again Christian Benford, Kyrie Elam, Dane

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Speaker 1: opposite Tradeavius White. So that's another position battle still very

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Speaker 1: much up in the air. Perhaps the one that's most

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Speaker 1: interesting is at right guard, Ryan Bates listed as the

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Speaker 1: then behind him with the second team Osiris Torrance, who

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Speaker 1: for the last five days has gotten more than his

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Speaker 1: in the coming weeks, I'm sure, and as things get

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Speaker 1: So I just thought i'd bring it to everybody's attention.

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Speaker 1: No other real surprises on the depth chart at all,

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Speaker 1: I think we would all expect once Vaughn is healthy.

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Speaker 1: So just to peek at it. It's interesting Cole to

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Speaker 1: be in town on Saturday and players will roll them,

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Speaker 1: you know, the coaches will roll out the respective first,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. How long did it? And I might

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I asked you this on Monday

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Speaker 2: or how long did it take you when you watch

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Speaker 2: this Hall of Fame game to like, oh yeah, preseason

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Speaker 2: game because you kind of get that little right and

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Speaker 2: you'll do it for the Bills game. We'll all do

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Speaker 2: it Sunday, Saturday one. It's gonna be let's go, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be awesome. Here we go. How long is it

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Speaker 2: gonna take before it's like preseason football? What a series? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I really first half I didn't watch much of it

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Speaker 2: Six point three million people did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't one of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't either. I was in the woods.

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Speaker 1: You were in it, you were in Capa.

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Speaker 2: But yes, watching it, and you know what I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of feeling like I didn't miss anything. How long

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Speaker 2: is it gonna take for this Bills game against Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: on Saturday? For adults there? The kids are gonna love

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Speaker 2: it no matter what because it's Kid's Day and it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be Greatturday one. Hopefully it won't be like today

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Speaker 2: where it's poorn rain. But how long is it going

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Speaker 2: to take for an adult who's a Bills fan as

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Speaker 2: rapid as you want to see to go, Okay, you

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Speaker 2: gotta watch this because you got to watch it. I mean, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you and I will be broadcasting correct, but in our

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Speaker 1: But you're on the TV set.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be you know, you gotta be in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would agree with that. Bill Belichick already

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Speaker 1: made he he just does it how he wants to

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Speaker 1: do it. He was asked today if Mac they have

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Speaker 1: a preseason game on Thursday. It's two days away, right, right,

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Speaker 1: And he was asked, will Mac Jones start on Thursday?

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Speaker 1: You know, didn't have a great season last year, so

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Speaker 1: even though he's the entrenched starter, you know, starters don't

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Speaker 1: play in the preseason like they used to. So that's

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Speaker 1: why the question is being asked. You know, Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: has a new offensive coordinators, right, and Bill O'Brien totally

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Speaker 1: fair question, Is Mac Jones gonna start on Thursday in

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Speaker 1: the preseason opener? Bill Belichick quote, Yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that was the answer. It's two days away.

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Speaker 2: No, No, he knows, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, he just doesn't want to tell them.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want to tell him. And why don't you

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Speaker 2: just say, hey, I don't want to I don't We're

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Speaker 2: not gonna make that public until game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a lot easier way to do it, right.

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Speaker 2: Because it's a you know, the guy, you know, in

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Speaker 2: his heart of hearts, Bill Belichick, Yes, Mac Jones needs

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Speaker 2: to play and heeds to take every rep we can

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Speaker 2: get him. And we would love to put in our

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Speaker 2: entire offense and get it against another team, but we

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Speaker 2: don't want to show it. That's the best kids, Well,

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Speaker 2: what he wants, what he's gonna do now, thinking of

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Speaker 2: like trying to get inside his mind. You put mac

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Speaker 2: Jones in, and not only do you make it hard

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You make it tough on

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Speaker 2: yourself in the preseason. You do the surprise on side

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Speaker 2: in the preseason. You do the fake field goal in

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Speaker 2: the preseason. You do fake punts in the preseason, the

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Speaker 2: triple reverse pass in the preseason. Get it all on film.

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Speaker 2: You know it's got it in the you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I but I still believe he is gonna play him,

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Speaker 1: don't you. He's gonna start him on Thursday. I would

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Speaker 1: I would almost be more surprised if he didn't in

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Speaker 1: light of the circumstances. You know, they were scraping to

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Speaker 1: get by on offense last year. You want to get

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Speaker 1: like play him a couple of series just so he

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Speaker 1: can get in the rhythm of hearing Bill O'Brien's voice

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Speaker 2: That's what you know what I mean? Yes, I would say,

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Speaker 2: what what's your your think about the strategy here? Brownie?

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Speaker 2: You almost want to play him a half, you know

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: But what's it? But in his mind, in their mind,

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Speaker 2: what's to say about what they think about him? If

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Speaker 2: they play him for an entire half or three corps

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Speaker 2: in the past halftime? What's that say about their thoughts

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Speaker 2: about that? You get into this thing like it's this

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if it's like the iokan

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Speaker 2: powder in you know, Princess Bride, Like I know that,

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Speaker 2: you know that, I know that. You know. It's like,

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Speaker 2: what are we We're gonna show show you? But if

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Speaker 2: we show you, you know, we know we're showing you,

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Speaker 2: So what are we really telling you about what we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do in the regular season? That's where you're at

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Speaker 2: that I'm showing nothing. You're getting frushed down a black

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Speaker 2: hole of he said. She said, he thinks, I think

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Speaker 2: and he knows that I know, and I know that

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Speaker 2: he knows that. I know that he knows. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? Oh yeah, So if they play mac

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Speaker 2: Jones an entire half, it screams we need to work.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that wouldn't be surprising, though I don't think

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Speaker 1: that would be viewed as a negative because he's got

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Speaker 1: a new oc Like, wouldn't you rather see him play

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Speaker 1: to get it right? So it's all buttoned up for

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Speaker 2: That's yes, I'm of course, but.

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Speaker 1: I would just say the impetus there to play yours

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. There are a number of reasons you can

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Speaker 1: tick off the list as to why that should happen,

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Speaker 1: sure as opposed to hear or you know, other places

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Speaker 1: with entrench starters who have definitively proven their status in

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Speaker 1: this league. Let's go around the rest of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And to do that, we're brought to you by Kalida Health,

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Speaker 1: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. And there's

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Speaker 1: more Patriots news. They're signing Pass Rusher Trey Flowers. NFL

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Speaker 1: Networks see and Rapaport reporting that this morning, and I

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Speaker 1: think the team has since made it official. So he's

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Speaker 2: We don't know. We don't know anything about anything. All

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Speaker 2: What do you who's your make call? Make a pick

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with Trask because me too. Mayfield

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Speaker 2: Most guys don't mind hard coaching, right, most guys don't.

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Speaker 1: That's Rivera characterized the players as being quote a little concerned.

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Speaker 2: You know, whether he gets under their skin, whether he

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Speaker 2: whether he insults whatever, whatever it is. Guys are like going, wait, wait, WHOA,

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Speaker 2: that's not. That's a little different than hard coaching, you

436
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Speaker 2: know what I mean. And when your offensive coordinator starts

437
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Speaker 2: referring to himself from the third person, that's weird. And

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Speaker 2: there's a big and there's been a sentiment and it's

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Speaker 2: it's interesting too. And I told you this. We're you know,

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Speaker 2: you go down social media and when you're reading about this,

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Speaker 2: what's going on in Washington? Yeah, as per social media protocols,

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Speaker 2: everybody's got pick aside, right, We've all got to be

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Speaker 2: outraged about something. So you know, people are picking the

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Speaker 2: side of the players. Guys picking up side of Eric

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Speaker 2: b Enemy. The players in Washington have never won anything.

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Speaker 2: What do they know about this? And Coach Hart's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, what's the guy doing? You know these guys

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Speaker 2: there are grown men. Why are you treating him like,

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Speaker 2: you know, like a bad high school player that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing. It's interesting because you knew Eric Binemy came

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Speaker 2: out of Kansas City and he was a little bit

452
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Speaker 2: of an unowned commodities the offensive coordinator for all those years,

453
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Speaker 2: two World championships and all that, but it was Andy

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Speaker 2: Reid is kind of the guy. He calls the plays,

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Speaker 2: he's the offensive coordinator, and even now Matt nagy who's

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Speaker 2: in there now, he said, told the media in Kansas

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Speaker 2: City's as well, this is this is Andy Reid's offense.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm sprinkling a little bit here, Travis Kelsey sprinkling

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Speaker 2: a little bit here, but it's Andy Reik so he

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Eric Binemy was doing there, but

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Speaker 2: it's you know, Matt Nagey, who's the offensive coordinator now

462
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Speaker 2: is telling everybody listen, I don't do that much. This

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Speaker 2: is Andy Reid's show. It's Travis kelsey show, is Pat

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Speaker 2: Mahomes show. I'm here to facilitate and you know, do

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Speaker 2: and pick in when I can. So Eric Binemy can

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Speaker 2: put that on his resume. He was the offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: of the Kansas City Chiefs. But there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a caveat there about how much he had to

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Speaker 2: do with it. And he interviewed for a lot of

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Speaker 2: head coaching positions over the last few years because he

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Speaker 2: was this hot commodity and there's all this stuff about

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Speaker 2: how he's the guy. It's unbelievable he hasn't gotten a

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Speaker 2: head coaching jobs. Unbelievable hasn't. It's amazing that he hasn't

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Speaker 2: gotten a shot at a head coach, and it's an outrage,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, people are like, yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: a reason for it. Right, could be And there's been

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Speaker 2: some guys that come that I can't see. Ugless, his

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Speaker 2: style is not my style. And if you're gonna hand

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Speaker 2: the keys to the building to a well, like a

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Speaker 2: six point a six billion dollar entity the Washington Redskins

481
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Speaker 2: just sold for if you're gonna hand the keys to

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Speaker 2: a guy as a head coach, there better not be

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Speaker 2: questions like this about his finger quotes style.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get it. He's there's a culture training camp.

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Speaker 2: Yet though Ron Rivera is still there, he's he's not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't they didn't feel like they need

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Speaker 2: to come in and shift the entire chemistry or the

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Speaker 2: culture of the building in the football side of it.

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Speaker 2: Certainly in the at the top.

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Speaker 1: They did management.

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Speaker 2: But Ron Rivera is highly regarded as a head coach,

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Speaker 2: got Carolina Panthers to the Super Bowl. He's a great player,

494
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Speaker 2: played for the eighty five Bears. I mean, these guys

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Speaker 2: got a pedigree, so it's not like they came in

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Speaker 2: there thinking they needed a clean house. So there's a

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Speaker 2: lot going on here that still needs to be watched.

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Speaker 1: One last bit of around the NFL news. The Saints

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Speaker 1: are expected to sign both running back Kareem Hunt and

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Speaker 1: linebacker Anthony Barr if both players pass their physicals today.

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Speaker 1: That according to ESPN's Diana Massini, those guys worked out

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Speaker 1: for the team yesterday. Saints need some help at the

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Speaker 1: running back position because of the suspension of Alvin Kamara

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Speaker 1: for three games and the achilles injury suffered by backup

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Speaker 1: running back. You know, Benjamin Anthony Barr, Steve, it's got

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Speaker 1: a Bills connection. You know what it is.

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 1: He is the first person Josh Allen leaped over in

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Speaker 1: his career. Wow, Minnesota game now, week three, I do

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Speaker 1: remember that. So he's the first hurdle. He is the

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Speaker 1: first hurdle in the race, correct though, Yes?

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Speaker 2: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like the saintsarah kind of fortifying both

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Speaker 1: sides of the ball there, and.

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Speaker 2: That brings back some memories. Man, Oh my gosh, the

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Speaker 2: Anthony Bar hurdle. Remember the Bills go into that game

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Speaker 2: oh and two and looking like dogs.

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Speaker 1: And I think they were an eleven point underdog.

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Speaker 2: They were like dogs going into that game, and Minnesota

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Speaker 2: was actually flying kind of high, right they were. I

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Speaker 2: think they might have been two and oh or something.

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Speaker 2: They were, and it was a new building, new stadium,

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Speaker 2: and the Bills came in and absolutely slapped the taste

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Speaker 2: out of their mouth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense really kind of set the tone for Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Trent Murphy and Jerry Hughes came screaming off the edge

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Speaker 1: early in that game, and they forced Kirk Cousins to

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Speaker 1: fumble it twice in his own half of the field,

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Speaker 1: which got the Bills up quickly, like fourteen nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, there's Anthony Barr hello that you want to know.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. So my vantage point. I'm up

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Speaker 1: really high in this new building and in a corner

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Speaker 1: somewhere in a press box, and I'm looking through I

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Speaker 1: watched half the game through my binoculars, so I'm looking

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Speaker 1: through my binoculars and I see Josh do that as

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Speaker 1: I'm following the ball, and I was like, oh, So

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Speaker 1: I pulled my binoculars down after the play ends and

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Speaker 1: I look at the sideline. Do you want to know

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Speaker 1: who is like the happiest person on the entire Bill's

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Speaker 1: sideline just whooping it up and talking trash to the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota defense. Jerry Hughes's he's going nuts. He's waving a

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Speaker 1: towel over his head and he's waving it at the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota defense and he's talking to him.

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Speaker 2: Like, you know, we can't We talk about this all

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Speaker 2: the time. We talk about this all the time, and

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Speaker 2: especially today in light of other stuff that's going down

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Speaker 2: to the sports world. That was That was the moment

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Speaker 2: where you saw a glimmer of light at the end

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Speaker 2: of the tunnel.

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Speaker 1: Right and he and he ran. He scrambled out to

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Speaker 1: the left and ran for a touchdown as well. Josh,

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Speaker 1: did you reach for the pylon? Yeah? Yeah, and thirteen

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Speaker 1: yards out of him.

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Speaker 2: That was when he said, well, here we go. Ye,

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Speaker 2: this all right, this is a guy. Let's see what

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Speaker 2: he can do. You know, that was a moment.

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Speaker 1: That's right. He was like, get and speaking of that guy,

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Speaker 1: he is our topic of discussion today. For those that

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Speaker 1: did not see the NFL Top one hundred finished their

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Speaker 1: list yesterday, Number one on the list was Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Probably not all that surprising to most of us, Josh

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Speaker 1: was in the top ten, but he was, as people

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Speaker 1: are seeing on the screen behind me, number eight on

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Speaker 1: the NFL Top one hundred list. He was number thirteen

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Speaker 1: last year, so we moved up five spots. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they play those little clips of the guys that get ranked,

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Speaker 1: They talk to other players, and nothing but effusive praise

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Speaker 1: for Josh Allen's ability, his gamer type attitude, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of playing every week. So yeah, eight's great.

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Speaker 1: But there are some some players higher on the list

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Speaker 1: than Josh, where some people, at least from some of

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Speaker 1: the feedback I've seen on Twitter, are not super happy

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Speaker 1: that Josh is eighth. They feel he should be higher.

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Speaker 1: So we have a fill in the blank for you.

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Speaker 1: There are there are seven people ahead of Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: on the NFL Top one hundred players of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: So here is your fill in the blank. There's no

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Speaker 1: way Josh Allen should be ranked behind blank on the

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Speaker 1: NFL Top one hundred. You see the choices you have

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Speaker 1: available to you there, give us a name and tell

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Speaker 1: us why eight oh three five point fifty one eight

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Speaker 1: eight eight five point fifty two five fifty the number

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Speaker 1: to get on board. There is no way Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: should be ranked behind Blank on the NFL Top one

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Speaker 1: hundred list. We'll take your phone calls when we come

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Speaker 1: back here on one Bills Live presented by Coloida Health.

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. There's no way Josh Allen should

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Speaker 1: be ranked behind Blank on the NFL Top one hundred.

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Speaker 1: That is your name to fill in there. As Josh

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Speaker 1: ranked eighth in the NFL Top one hundred. He did

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Speaker 1: move up five spots from last season when he was

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Speaker 1: ranked thirteenth on the NFL Top one hundred. But you

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Speaker 1: let us know at eight oh three five point fifty

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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty the

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Speaker 1: number one to get on board, and I will quickly

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Speaker 1: run down the players that do sit in front of

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen from seven to one, Tyreek Hill, Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, Nick Bosa, Jalen Hurts, Justin Jefferson, and Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes number one. If there is a name in front

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Speaker 1: of Josh Allen's at eight that you think should not

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Speaker 1: be ahead of your quarterback, tell us why eighth three,

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Speaker 1: five point fifty number to get on board. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to the phones. Leading us off today is Mike and Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: What do you got for his mike here on One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks for taking my call, guys. The name I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna start with is Joe Burrow. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: sound like the national media. It seems like the national

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Speaker 3: media if they're not fans of Josh, they try and

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Speaker 3: rip them apart. I don't want to sound like that

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Speaker 3: with Joe Burrow. I think Joe Burrow's an excellent quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a really smart guy. But statistically, if

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Speaker 3: you look at last year, they have Joe Burrow on

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Speaker 3: this upwards trajectory, it's just out of this world. But

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Speaker 3: when you look at the numbers, as bad as they

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Speaker 3: banged Josh. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy,

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Speaker 3: But to me, sometimes Josh is a victim of his

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Speaker 3: own talent. Like a lot of the turnovers and the

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Speaker 3: things that happened were just because the guy is so good.

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Speaker 3: Most people probably wouldn't even try those throws. But even

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Speaker 3: with those situations in place, him and Joe are so close.

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Speaker 3: I think he was two interceptions more than Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow was supposed to have this flagship season.

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Speaker 3: I know they finished better than us. But I think

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Speaker 3: when you look at the numbers, I think so much

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Speaker 3: of it is just the perception that the national media

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Speaker 3: just seems to have Joe Burrow with that darling character,

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Speaker 3: and I got no problem with I don't think anybody

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Speaker 3: does have a problem with Pat Mahomes being number one.

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Speaker 3: I think that's obvious. I think before he's done, he's

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Speaker 3: probably going to be the best of all the time.

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Speaker 3: But I like to pose it to you guys, how

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Speaker 3: much of the way the Chiefs skit looked at is

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Speaker 3: based on Pat Mahomes. This this is not an individual sport.

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Speaker 3: It's not boxing or golf. Yes, they have the greatest

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Speaker 3: quarterback in the world. Travis Kelsey is probably the best

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Speaker 3: or top two tight end play right now. But when

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00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: you look at defensive tackle, are you really telling me

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Speaker 3: that Chris Jones is the top defensive tackle in the

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Speaker 3: league right now? Like it seems like I have no

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Speaker 3: problem calling Pat Mahomes the best quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 3: I just have a problem calling the Chiefs definitively the

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Speaker 3: best team in the league. And I know they have

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Speaker 3: the results, but if you just look at position by position,

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Speaker 3: I just can't see it. And not like to get

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Speaker 3: you guys opinion on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, thanks, my good call. Yeah, And you're right.

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Speaker 2: Once you get into positions like defensive tackle, it's hard

649
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Speaker 2: to evaluate unless you go back and look at film

650
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: and watch these guys and know more about what they're

651
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: asked to do. Quarterbacks are asked to make decisions and

652
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: make plays, and it's evident how successful they are at it,

653
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: and it's easier to see their mistakes, their egregious mistakes,

654
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: as and than it is a defensive tackles egregious mistake.

655
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Speaker 2: It's hard for people because football is so wide ranging

656
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: and there's such a specialty sport. It's hard to compare

657
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Speaker 2: a tight end like Travis Kelcey to a defensive lineman

658
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Speaker 2: like Chris Jones, or a linebacker like Micah Parsons to

659
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Speaker 2: a defensive end even like Nick Bosa, Jalen Hurts to

660
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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons or Jalen Hurts to Tyreek Hill. How do

661
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: you make that comparison right? And to me, and I

662
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Speaker 2: hate to sound like a media puke, but it's hard

663
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Speaker 2: for any other position. For me, it's hard to put

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Speaker 2: any other position ahead of any quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 2: I mean the whole top ten should be it should go,

666
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: it should go Pat, Josh, Joe, Jalen Hurts Lamar. I

667
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: mean you really start with the quarterbacks on all the Yeah,

668
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: you know you could.

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Speaker 1: And so Mike's issue was seeing Joe Burrow ranked ahead

670
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Speaker 1: of Josh. Josh was at eight, Burrows at six, and

671
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Speaker 1: he leapfrogged him from last year. Last year, Burrow was

672
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Speaker 1: fifteen and Josh was thirteen. Burrow's got two AFC Title

673
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Speaker 1: Game appearances and an AFC Title Game victory, got a

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Speaker 1: team to the Super Bowl. Josh doesn't have that. I

675
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Speaker 1: think the other thing that I believe is gonna prompt

676
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Speaker 1: more people to vote for Joe than Josh is the

677
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Speaker 1: efficiency of his game. I think we can all agree

678
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Speaker 1: Joe is just a more efficient quarterback. Josh is a

679
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: splash play quarterback, whether it's running or throwing, and that's

680
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Speaker 1: very exciting, and it wins the Bills games, There's no

681
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: question about it. I mean, the Bills and the Chiefs

682
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: are the only two teams in football with three consecutive

683
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: seasons of ten wins or more. The guy wins games.

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Speaker 1: But I think people gravitate to Burrow because he plays

685
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Speaker 1: this efficient style with a high completion perc and he

686
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: is clutch. You can't say Joe Burrow isn't clutch. I mean,

687
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: he's been pretty clutch for that team the last few years.

688
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: I would personally would still take Josh over Joe Burrow.

689
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Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to be a little bit of

690
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Speaker 1: a devil's advocate here to try to understand why more

691
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: players in this league voted for Burrow than they did Josh. True,

692
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Speaker 1: that's my guess that he's a more efficient quarterback. He's

693
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: been clutch, he's got his team through big games in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. That that's the only thing I could see

695
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Speaker 1: as to why they would.

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Speaker 2: Run most most of us, US included, and certainly a

697
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: lot of fans. It's a bottom league. It's a bottom

698
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Speaker 2: line ranking. If you're a great quarterback and your team's

699
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: there and you finished ahead of that team, your quarterback

700
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Speaker 2: goes ahead of their quarterback. That's the way it goes.

701
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: Cincinnati beat the Bills in the playoffs last year, they

702
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Speaker 2: go ahead, and you know, Kansas City won, and they

703
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Speaker 2: go ahead of that. Jalen Hurts wins that he goes

704
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Speaker 2: ahead of all.

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Speaker 1: If Josh and Joe ahead of Josh and.

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Speaker 2: Right, So all of that, I get it, and that's

707
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: it's a bottom line rain. And there's, yes, there is

708
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Speaker 2: some recency bias. So that's fine. But when most people

709
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Speaker 2: and us included, are most familiar with the guy who

710
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: plays for the team, they follow the closest. So we've

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00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: seen Josh, like we were just talking about, we've got

712
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Speaker 2: vivid memories of the hurdle in Minnesota, you know, against

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00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: Anthony Barr, we go back, We've got a depth of

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Speaker 2: knowledge Joe Burrow. I saw him when he played the Bills, right,

715
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Speaker 2: I saw him in the AFC Championship game last year.

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Speaker 2: You see him in those games. You see him when

717
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: they're their best, right usually, And so you can make

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00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: a case for all these guys. And I'm not saying this,

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Speaker 2: This list, even with Josh at eight, is like, you know,

720
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Speaker 2: lighted on fire. But I'm saying this, it's hard to compare,

721
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Speaker 2: let alone Joe Burrow and Josh Allen and Pat Maho

722
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Holmes and Jalen Hurts. But how about comparing those guys

723
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Speaker 2: with Nick Bosa, Travis Kelcey, Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill and

724
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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. Yeah, you're that's why that's why it's a

725
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: great sport, because you we're gonna do it anyway though. Yeah, exactly,

726
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: it's why it's a great sport. Let's have that conversation

727
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Speaker 2: and let's make our arguments.

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Speaker 1: And let's go to Chuck and Clarence next to continue

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Speaker 1: the conversation. What do you got for us, Chuck?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you, guys. I think the list

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Speaker 4: to the list, probably the first six or seven guys

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Speaker 4: should be quarterbacks. But I have a problem with Josh

733
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Speaker 4: being behind Jalen Hurts. And it pains me that he's

734
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Speaker 4: behind Tyreek, but just that they're a multi fat they're

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Speaker 4: a multifaceted h you know, position quarterback is and Josh

736
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Speaker 4: really is. You know, he is the ultimate sources army knife,

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Speaker 4: and what he did to win fourteen games last year,

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Speaker 4: you know, you got to put that top one hundred

739
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Speaker 4: football players. Josh is even more than a quarterback. He's

740
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Speaker 4: a just a football player. Yeah, and so I think

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Speaker 4: they really just I just think he should be up

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Speaker 4: around five or so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's fair, and I don't disagree.

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Speaker 2: And there's some elite players on this list, and it's

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Speaker 2: interesting too. Aaron Donald is out not in the top ten, right,

746
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Speaker 2: And that's why because he got injured last year. Now

747
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Speaker 2: he's now all of a sudden, he's not a top

748
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: ten hot player in the National Football Guys that don't

749
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Speaker 2: go to.

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Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl because they get an injury mid season,

751
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Speaker 1: right and don't continue like the hot first half, and

752
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Speaker 1: they won't even go to the Pro Bowl, right because

753
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: they get hurt. That's what happened to Fred Jackson back

754
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. Guys should have gone to the Pro

755
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: Bowl that year. He gets hurt early November, doesn't even

756
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Speaker 1: get to the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Right.

758
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Speaker 1: He was among the league leaders in all purpose yardage

759
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Speaker 1: with Matt Forte that year.

760
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Speaker 2: So it's it's it's tough because the league is so big,

761
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: the rosters are so big, and there's so many contributions

762
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: from all over the roster on all these teams and

763
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Speaker 2: the mix Like with Joe Burrow, how would he play

764
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: if he had the Tampa Bay wide receivers? Well, that's

765
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: exactly right, that's my point. You know, how well would

766
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Speaker 2: he play with you know, this other group of guys

767
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Speaker 2: because Cincinnati's is struggling. They got they've got a lot

768
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Speaker 2: of balls. They're trying to juggle to keep in the air.

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Speaker 2: They still got to pay.

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Speaker 1: Joe got to pay. Joe Higgins is on the last

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Speaker 1: year of his deal, and then you got to figure

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Speaker 1: out what you're doing with Chase. Yeah, the rubber is

773
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: going to meet the road very fast here for the

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Speaker 1: for the Bengals. The thing that helps Hurts though, Steve,

775
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Speaker 1: is the fact that last year he was fourth in

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Speaker 1: the league in personal touchdowns. He had thirteen rushing touchdowns. Yes,

777
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Speaker 1: that was fourth in the league across all positions.

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Speaker 3: Right.

779
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Speaker 1: That helped him, and he had seven hundred and sixty

780
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Speaker 1: rushing yards. You could talk about Josh as a runner.

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00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: They ran Hurts a lot and he was successful doing it.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the Hurts ranking of third is

783
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Speaker 1: byproduct of the success of the team getting all the

784
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: way to the Super Bowl and him having his quote

785
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: unquote breakout year. The year that Hurts had was like

786
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Speaker 1: Josh's twenty twenty season. The difference is Hurts got to

787
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Josh did not. He got to the

788
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: AFC Title Game and lost it. So he didn't see

789
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Speaker 1: the bump that Hurts got this year by going all

790
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Speaker 1: the way to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. You're exactly right.

792
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Speaker 1: I think we have to take a break here. But

793
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Speaker 1: if you're holding at eight h three zero five to fifty,

794
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: stay where we are. We will get to you. Latino

795
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Speaker 1: Doo Boy, Carol and Mike'll try to get to all

796
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Speaker 1: three of you when we return here. On one Bill's

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: August twelve, Well is the date. Saturday. Mark your calendars. Kids'

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. H topic of discussion today for you, There's

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Speaker 1: no way Josh Allen should be ranked behind Blank on

810
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Speaker 1: the NFL's Top one hundred. Among the players listed ahead

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Speaker 1: of him, Tyreek Hill, Joe Burrow, Travis Kelcey, Nick Bosa,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurtz, and Justin Jefferson along with Patrick Mahomes, who

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Speaker 1: was number one. You got a bone to pick on

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Speaker 1: one of those names being ahead of Josh. You let

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Speaker 1: us know. At eight h three zero five point fifty,

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Speaker 1: we lead off with Latino Doe Boy, what you go

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Speaker 1: for us? Sir?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Brownie, Steve, how you're doing good?

819
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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 5: It's been a watch. I talk to you guys, but

821
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Speaker 5: when I first saw the first one, I'm in the

822
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Speaker 5: top ten list Joe Burrows, my eyes popped off my head.

823
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Speaker 5: I mean not Joe Burro. Excuse me, Jalen Hurst. I

824
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Speaker 5: don't think it should be in top three that you

825
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 5: already touched on death. I don't want to go into that,

826
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Speaker 5: but I got a question to you guys about Joe Burrows.

827
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Speaker 5: I watched Joe Burrows from college. He is clutched. He

828
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Speaker 5: he wins the big games. He sets for that Super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: but I don't see him putting the cape on like

830
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Speaker 5: Josh Adams does and Williams team to victory. I never

831
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Speaker 5: saw that from him. Now, the NFL correct me if

832
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 5: I'm wrong, But you guys let me know if he

833
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Speaker 5: how many comebacks he got compared Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't right, Yeah, that's a good point. Let's

835
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Speaker 1: you know, Joe boy, I don't have that number in

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Speaker 1: front of me off hand. I will say this, I think,

837
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Speaker 1: as I kind of touched on earlier, I think they

838
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Speaker 1: win games in different ways. Josh is capable, because of

839
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Speaker 1: his athletic skill set, to put the team literally on

840
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: his back and win football games. I mean, look at

841
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: the Miami Sunday Night game here last year. I mean,

842
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: they're down eleven with like eight minutes left, and he

843
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: literally put the cape on and willed them to victory,

844
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Speaker 1: and they went on a last second field goal thirty

845
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: two twenty nine. That's an example of the kind of

846
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: wins that you're talking about. Joe will never win games

847
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: that way. He wins in a different way. I would

848
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: argue that Joe subscribes to the Tom Brady model of

849
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: winning highly efficient, maximizes minimal time on the clock, and

850
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: orchestrates scoring drives. He wins much the way Tom Brady

851
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: won football games, and that'll win you a lot in

852
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: this league, as evidenced by some of his success very

853
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: early in his career. There's different ways to do it,

854
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: and they do it in two very different ways, but

855
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Speaker 1: I would argue that they're pretty comparable in terms of effectiveness.

856
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

857
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Speaker 1: That I have less of a bone to pick on

858
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Speaker 1: the Burrough ranking that I do on the Hurts run.

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Speaker 2: Because we've all seen it. I mean we've seen it

860
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: all off season and for the last year and a half,

861
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: two years that Joe Burrow has exploded on the scene,

862
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: along with Josh Allen in twenty twenty, and now it's

863
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: that they're all on that list, Mahomes Burrow, Allen, Mahomes,

864
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: Alan Burrow, and then you know, everybody falls behind in

865
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback race, but they're in there right And now

866
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is in the conversation because Philly had the

867
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: great year last year. Okay. The gray area is all

868
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: these other positions that you got to consider and how

869
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: elites these guys are. And I don't know that Joey

870
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: Bosa is that much better than Michaeh Parson or Nick

871
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: Bosa is that much better than Michael Parsons, or any

872
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: of those guys are that much better than Aaron Donald.

873
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: Because if Aaron Donald has a full healthy season, he's

874
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: a rubber Stamp top ten best player in the National

875
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: Football League. What is he not now? He seems like

876
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: he is to me. So it's a recency bias that

877
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: that's what bothers me.

878
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: That's what That's why Hurts is up at three. That's

879
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: exactly right, recency bias. They went all the way to

880
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He had his explosion year in the

881
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: same year that the team went to the Super Bowl.

882
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: It's I think they will. I think his production to

883
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: some extent will drift back to the mean. They had

884
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: a very easy schedule last year, as Steve and I

885
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: have said on the show before, they had zero adversity

886
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: strike them, like minimal injuries. You know, yes, I mean

887
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: NFC Title game. They're playing San Francisco's fifth freaking quarterback,

888
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey's taking snaps at the end of the I mean, like,

889
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: come on.

890
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

891
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: There couldn't not more could not have gone right for

892
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: the Eagles last year.

893
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: That's right. And conversely, look at the they're a good team,

894
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: they're very good, but everything fell right for it. Conversely,

895
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: look at the stuff the Bills had to go through

896
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: starting in May. Yeah, like May fourteenth, there.

897
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: Was a laundry list.

898
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a laundry list of stuff they had

899
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: to overcome, not the least of which was having you know,

900
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: one of their whatever everything. So you can go down

901
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: the list. But here's the thing. If you had all

902
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback, if you had Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Hurts Lamar,

903
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 2: Herbert Tua, go down the list, throw him in a hat,

904
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: and you can pick anyone you want, everybody, all of us.

905
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: We pick Mahomes, right, you pick Mahomes. Okay, you pick Mahome.

906
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Then who That's where it gets dicey. Then who you

907
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: gonna pick. I'll tell you this. There's a ton of

908
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: people who picked Josh. A ton of coaches out there

909
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: and pick Josh out people because you know what that

910
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: guy can't like like LBD, like Latino Doe boy said.

911
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: That guy puts the cape on, right, he puts the

912
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: cape on and the little musclely shirt. He can lift

913
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: the word. He's like, he can do it all. Yeah,

914
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: he's Captain America. Bro.

915
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phones and squeeze Carol and

916
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: Tonawanda in here before the break. Carol, what do you

917
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: got for us?

918
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: Here?

919
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: On one Bill's Live.

920
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, and not to add the salt to the wound,

921
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 6: but my husband and I went to the Hall of

922
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 6: Fame this spring, and Steve you certainly belong there. But

923
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 6: I'd like to expand this ranking selection a bit. You know,

924
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 6: I looked at the past five or six six years

925
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 6: and I really don't understand why Alan and McDermott weren't

926
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 6: selected for MVP or Coach of the Years other than

927
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 6: Mahomes and Brady Allen should have been an MVP, especially

928
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, and not give it to Rogers

929
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 6: for a second time. He was neck and neck with

930
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 6: some of the stats, if not better, and you know,

931
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 6: he I know they don't count the postseason game, but

932
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 6: I believe that was the perfect game against the Patriots,

933
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 6: and he played that excellent game against Cincinnati. And so

934
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 6: as far as McDermott goes for Coach of the Year,

935
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 6: you know, and giving it to Dable yet last year.

936
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 6: For the past five or six years, what they say

937
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 6: is they turn around the team, they provide him a

938
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 6: winning season or get them to the playoffs. And isn't

939
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 6: that what Sean McDermott has done for the past five

940
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 6: or six years. I really don't get it. And also

941
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 6: I know that you know the statistics aren't reported exactly

942
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 6: the same, and it seems to be very subjective when

943
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 6: making these selectors. And I think I understand that they're

944
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 6: going to be doing a weighted system this up and

945
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 6: coming year. And the last thing I'd like to say

946
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 6: Steve is I know that you're upset that we're not

947
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 6: in the limelight, but that may be a good thing.

948
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 6: And I look at it like this. The bison is

949
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 6: looking at is a docile animal out on the prairie.

950
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 6: But piss them off and they come become a raging

951
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 6: rhino or a raging bison. So go build. And I'd

952
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 6: like to hear what you have to say.

953
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 4: Thanks very much, all.

954
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: Right, Carol said, call very well, said nice call, Thanks

955
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: for doing it, and call again sometime. You're right. McDermott

956
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: I thought should have been Coach of the Year in

957
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.

958
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the year Stefanski won it and got the Browns

959
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. That that was the year that McDermot

960
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: should have won Coach of the Year. But why because

961
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: the Browns have been the epitome of suckiness for twenty

962
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: something years. So Stefanski gets him to the playoffs. It

963
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: blocked out everything, including the sun, and so Stefanski got

964
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: the nod as Coach of the Year the year one.

965
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen or two thousand and nights seventeen, twenty seventeen.

966
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: It's an atrocity.

967
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor as a quarterback.

968
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: With Tyrod Taylor getting the Bills of the playoffs, that's

969
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: a year he should have won.

970
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: We could argue he should have won a couple of times.

971
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: That's right, and just whatever happened for whateverever reason. And

972
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: maybe it's because your other point, we're not in the limelight,

973
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: we're not expected to win the Super Bowl this year,

974
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: or people are overlooking the Bills. Maybe that's the same

975
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: reason Sean McDermot didn't win Coach of the Year. But

976
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of seasons during his tenure here

977
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: where absolutely he did as good a job. No, how

978
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: about last he did a better job than anybody else

979
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: in the league of handling his players and his team.

980
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: Last year is a great year. Last year and all

981
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: that this year navigate probably of only two coaches in

982
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: the history of the National Football League that pulled their

983
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 2: team off the field in the game the other one

984
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 2: was Zach Taylor. Unprecedented, and that took a brassy set

985
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: of courage to get that done, and they did it.

986
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: He and Zach Taylor did it, and it was the

987
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: right thing to do.

988
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: They basically forced the league's handle.

989
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: And they put the lead. They told the league how

990
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: it was going to go, and they were right to

991
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: do it despite the fallout and the misgame all of

992
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: that stuff. So, yes, Carol, you're right. Sean McDermott. There's

993
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: been a couple of instances, at least two that we

994
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: name him, maybe three in his tenure here as Buffalo

995
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: Bill's head coach. He should have been Coach of the Year.

996
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: And you can say that about Josh Is in the

997
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: running every year. I'm fine with it. You can give

998
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: it to him or not give it to him, but

999
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: I know this, he's going to be in the conversation.

1000
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: It's going to be him and some other dude. So

1001
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: that's the guy we got and we'll ride with him.

1002
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: Break time for us here when we come back. Our

1003
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: number two will begin with Pro Football Network Draft analyst

1004
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: and lead NFL analyst Dalton Miller's got some power rankings

1005
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: for the a FC East divisional rankings as well, and

1006
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: some thoughts on Jonathan Taylor. We'll talk to him next.

1007
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: This one Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. All Right,

1008
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: our number two here on a Tuesday, Chris Brown, Steve

1009
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Tasker with you. Please to be joined now by the

1010
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: Pro Football Network Draft analyst and lead NFL analyst. It

1011
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: is one Dalton Miller joining us. Dalton, thanks for spending

1012
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: some time with us. We're getting into the busy season here,

1013
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: so appreciate you doing that. And I want to begin

1014
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: with some of your power rankings. You had your AFC

1015
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: East power rankings, and unlike the rest of the universe,

1016
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: you did not pick the Jets to win the division,

1017
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: not easily fooled by the Aaron Rodgers acquisition. Maybe just

1018
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: map out for us how you came to list the

1019
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: teams as you did in terms of power ranking the

1020
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: East Division.

1021
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, so, obviously the New York Jets are the hot name.

1022
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 7: They obviously went out and traded for a Hall of

1023
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 7: Fame quarterback who should have a bit of a bounce

1024
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 7: back year. He started to play well towards the back

1025
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 7: half of last season. They obviously brought a bunch of

1026
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 7: pieces that he wanted specifically to that football team as well,

1027
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 7: Nathaniel Hackett, and that offense should be able to get

1028
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 7: going and be much better than they were a season ago,

1029
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 7: and that defense should still be very talented. But Buffalo

1030
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 7: has done nothing, in my opinion, to suggest that they

1031
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 7: won't be the best team in the AFC East. Once again,

1032
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 7: they've been one of the most consistent teams. And it's

1033
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 7: funny I say that. You know, I wrote in the

1034
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 7: Power rankings that they have stinkers every once in a while,

1035
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 7: that offense just doesn't have it, where that defense just

1036
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 7: doesn't have it.

1037
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: But over the course of.

1038
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 7: Four seasons, only the Kansas City Chiefs really have been

1039
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 7: more consistent than them offensively and defensively. There aren't many

1040
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 7: teams that have been better than them over that stretch either.

1041
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 7: They didn't lose a ton of pieces, they didn't really

1042
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 7: gain a ton of pieces, but they were already the

1043
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 7: most talented team in that division. And I'm going to

1044
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 7: take that consistency over the new hot thing.

1045
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the rest of the division. Of

1046
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: if you get put the Bills there, you put the

1047
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: Dolphins just ahead of the Jets certainly, and you mentioned

1048
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: this in your article, Tua is the is the key

1049
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: to the entire puzzle. It may be in the entire division, right.

1050
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And I thought that he was fantastic when

1051
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 7: he was healthy last year. That offense is fantastic. Having

1052
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 7: Jalen Waddell and Tyreek Hill is an absolute cheat code.

1053
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 7: It is unguardable over that intermediate middle of the field.

1054
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 7: They're just able to pick teams apart. And it'll be

1055
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 7: interesting to see if teams really kind of condense things

1056
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 7: in the middle of the field and try to force

1057
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 7: Tua outside of the hashes. I think that's what defenses

1058
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 7: are going to kind of have to try to do,

1059
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 7: but defenses aren't really built that way, so it'll be

1060
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 7: interesting to see how they're able to stop them. It

1061
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 7: all comes down to that, because I do think that

1062
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 7: Miami Dolphins defense is going to be much better this year,

1063
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 7: as long as they can stay relatively healthy. They've obviously

1064
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 7: already lost Jalen Ramsey for quite some time and that

1065
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 7: is a little bit concerning, But that defense was not

1066
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 7: built to run the type of aggressive style with defense

1067
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 7: that they were last year. They're gonna be more conservative

1068
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 7: this year in coverage, are going to be very good.

1069
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 7: They have fantastic free safety in Davon Holland, they.

1070
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: Have a couple of good corners. Now.

1071
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 7: They obviously had a standout undrafted rookie last year step up,

1072
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 7: and I think, you know, somebody like Jalen Phillips is

1073
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 7: going to take that next stride as an edge rusher

1074
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 7: and be one of the more dominant guys in the NFL.

1075
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 7: So I think that they have the ability to be

1076
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 7: that second best team in the AFC East, And honestly,

1077
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 7: I think that they could be the best team in

1078
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 7: the division if everything goes right for them. The problem is,

1079
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 7: as somebody who has had multiple head injuries himself, it's

1080
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 7: a lot easier to get them after you've had the

1081
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 7: first couple.

1082
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, division wise, Dalton, you know the Bills as an

1083
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: AFC East team this year they got to play the

1084
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: AFC West and the NFC East. Which which of the

1085
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: divisions if you had to pick one, do you think

1086
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: is get Like a lot of us last year thought

1087
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: the AFC West with Russell Wilson going there, they were

1088
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna all cannibalize each other and beat up on each

1089
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: other and they're not gonna have as good record and

1090
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: then the Chiefs said, yeah, that you're all wrong. We're

1091
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: gonna go fourteen and three. Do you see a division

1092
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: that has the potential to kind of beat each other

1093
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: down based on how it's stacked, and it might be

1094
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: the AFC East for all we know.

1095
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the three divisions that kind of have

1096
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 7: I think four teams that are playoff caliber if things

1097
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 7: go right, are the AFC East, the AFC North, and

1098
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 7: the NFC East. I think those are the complete divisions

1099
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 7: in the NFL that can kind of cannibalize one another.

1100
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 7: And obviously it'll take things going right in the NFC

1101
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 7: East when it comes to the Giants and the Washington

1102
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 7: Commanders to kind of be playoff caliber teams. But I

1103
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 7: think that all three of those divisions could cannibalize one another.

1104
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 7: And the AFC North is just year in and year out,

1105
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 7: even if the Cleveland Browns aren't quite as good, or

1106
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 7: if the Bengals, you know, obviously they're talented now, but

1107
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 7: in years prior they had a couple down years, they

1108
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 7: still beat each other up because that's what the AFC

1109
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 7: North does. So I think those are the three divisions

1110
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 7: that you kind of have to look for multiple teams

1111
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 7: making the playoffs, but also those teams maybe not having

1112
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 7: the twelve thirteen win seasons because they have to play

1113
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 7: one another.

1114
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: And when you get down to those those division, do

1115
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: you think the playoffs as the seven teams show up

1116
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: for the playoffs in each conference, which is the most

1117
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: I mean, because certainly the North looks like that with

1118
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: if all things being equal and Lamar stays healthy, Pittsburgh

1119
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: bounces back, Cincinnati is who they are who they seem

1120
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: to be, or is you kind of gotta start doing

1121
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: the divisions by the top three teams like Buffalo, New York, Miami,

1122
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: Kansas City maybe and certainly LA. So which of these

1123
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: teams has the best chance of sending three teams to

1124
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

1126
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: Think I think.

1127
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Speaker 7: It's probably I think it's probably the AFC East, I

1128
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 7: really do. I think that when I look at the

1129
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 7: coaching changes. Obviously getting Vic Fangio in Miami was fantastic,

1130
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 7: and then what New York has done offensively to try

1131
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 7: to write the ship. I think that those could be

1132
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 7: three really, really good football teams at the end of

1133
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 7: the day. And I think that when you look at

1134
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 7: the AFC North, I have less faith in the Pittsburgh Steelers,

1135
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 7: which is probably misguided because Mike Tomlin always seems to

1136
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 7: overachieve with that roster no matter what it looks like.

1137
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 7: And then it all really kind of comes down to

1138
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 7: Cleveland's talented too, and they've added guys defensively. They brought

1139
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 7: in Jim Schwartz to write that ship defensively, especially on

1140
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 7: the back end. It'll all come down to what Deshaun

1141
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 7: Watson would get. We're gonna get a guy who was

1142
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 7: still a little bit rustier are We're going to get

1143
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 7: the on the field version of Deshaun Watson when he

1144
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 7: was in Houston, which was one of the arguably the

1145
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 7: top five quarterbacks in the NFL. So I think that

1146
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 7: division probably has a better chance of beating each other

1147
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 7: up because I do think New England is probably the

1148
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 7: least and a team out of all eight of those teams.

1149
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 7: So I think the AFC East is the division to

1150
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 7: look for.

1151
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: The Bills are playing the Colts this weekend in their

1152
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: first preseason game. Obviously they'll be doing that without Jonathan Taylor,

1153
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: a part of the equation with his ankles slash hold

1154
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: in situation, how do you think that ends up? I

1155
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: mean Ursa has said, in no uncertain terms, we are

1156
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: not trading him, even though Taylor makes it pretty evident

1157
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: he'd prefer to be elsewhere at this point in time,

1158
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: based on how things have unfolded this offseason, what do

1159
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: you think is the resolution there?

1160
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 7: I think he ends up playing. I don't know how

1161
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 7: in his rookie deal as it's currently set up, I

1162
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 7: don't know how he could afford not to get back

1163
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 7: on the field eventually. And it sticks to say, and

1164
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 7: it stinks that he really doesn't have the power that

1165
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 7: he wants to have, But that's just kind of the

1166
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 7: way that it is. He's gonna get fined, he's gonna

1167
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 7: get money taken from him if he doesn't show up

1168
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 7: in practice, and then he's gonna lose game. And you know,

1169
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 7: a guy who is one of the most talented backs

1170
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 7: in the NFL, if not the most talented back in

1171
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 7: the NFL, It's tough to see the running back market

1172
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 7: go this way. But that's just kind of the way

1173
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 7: that it is at this point, and I don't see

1174
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 7: any sort of resolution anytime soon. I think he comes back.

1175
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 7: I think he ends up playing. I think that he

1176
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 7: has a monster season if he's able to stay healthy

1177
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 7: because with Anthony Richardson in that Shane Stiken offense, the

1178
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 7: Reid option, he will have bigger holes to run through

1179
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 7: than he has ever had in his career, going back

1180
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 7: to his time in Wisconsin. He's already a big play guy.

1181
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 7: He's gonna bust open a bunch of big plays in

1182
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 7: that offense. And so I think the best thing for

1183
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 7: him to do is come back play and then move

1184
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 7: on after this season, and they might tag him, they

1185
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 7: might do that Dog and Pony show. I hope that

1186
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 7: they don't.

1187
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: I hope that they just.

1188
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 7: Let him hit the open market and they take their

1189
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 7: compensation pick later, you know on I think that that's

1190
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 7: the best resolution for everyone.

1191
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: What happens with Dalvin Cook now that he's signed with

1192
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: the New York Jets. Another running you know, another running

1193
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: back in this kind of the same position, Jonathan Taylor,

1194
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: except the team just jettisoned him, the Falcons, I mean,

1195
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean the Vikings. So what about Dalvin Cook? How's

1196
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: he fit in, particularly with Breecee Hall's presence with the Jets.

1197
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's really interesting because I think he's

1198
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 7: one of the best outside zone runners in the NFL

1199
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 7: if not the best. So it'll be interesting to see

1200
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 7: how healthy he really can get back to after the

1201
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 7: shoulder surgery. He hasn't been one hundred percent in the

1202
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 7: last two years. But that's the type of offense that

1203
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 7: you're going to get in New York. Nathaniel Hackett is

1204
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 7: going to run the ball, He's going to try to

1205
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 7: get it outside of the tackles, and that's where Dalvin

1206
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 7: Cook has been at his best. It's interesting because I'm

1207
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 7: a firm believer that Michael Carter is going to be

1208
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 7: able to thrive in that RB two role because he

1209
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 7: was so good with outside zone when he was at

1210
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 7: North Carolina, and then Breesall is obviously the number one

1211
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 7: guy there. He's a big play threat. He's fantastic as

1212
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 7: a wide receiver out of the backfield as well. I

1213
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 7: know Aaron Rodgers likes to use those guys as receivers

1214
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 7: as well as that kind of you know, safety net

1215
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 7: when things break down. So I think Briest Hall, if

1216
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 7: he gets back and is fully healthy, he's going to

1217
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 7: have a monster year. But I do think somebody like

1218
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 7: Dalvin Cook can provide a little bit of juice as

1219
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 7: an RB two.

1220
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: And then last one I've got for you, Dalton. You know,

1221
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: the NFL has its top one hundred list. Some Bills

1222
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: fans aren't thrilled that Josh was ranked eighth. The big

1223
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: issue for them is Jalen Hurts at three had a

1224
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: monster year and they went all the way to the

1225
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: super Bowl. So maybe there's some recency bias there since

1226
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: his body of work isn't as maybe lengthy as Josh's.

1227
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: But you did your own top one hundred list?

1228
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 2: What was?

1229
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember your top five off the top of

1230
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: your head or I don't remember.

1231
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 7: I might and I don't put positional value in so

1232
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 7: quarterbacks were a little bit lower in mine as well,

1233
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 7: outside of Patrick Mahomes, who he has to be number

1234
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 7: one at this point. Number two, I had Michael Parsons.

1235
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 7: Number three. I can't remember who it was. I think

1236
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 7: number four was Travis Kelcey, and I can't remember off

1237
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 7: the top of my head who number five was. I

1238
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 7: believe that Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. Josh Allen I

1239
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 7: believe was number eleven and Joe Burrow was number twelve,

1240
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 7: or I might have had them flip flopped.

1241
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, last one I've got for you. Yet we're

1242
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: living in the era of the season of this the preseason, right,

1243
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: so you never know what's gonna happen in these preseason games.

1244
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: And certainly we were reminded quickly in the Jet Cleveland game.

1245
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: How why we don't like it? What does it say

1246
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: to you? I'm talking about the AFC East again. In

1247
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. A lot going on there. Bill

1248
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: O'Brien back is the offensive coordinator, Mac Jones is there,

1249
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappi's kind of hovering around behind him. What does

1250
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: it say to you if Mac Jones comes in in

1251
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: the first preseason game this Thursday against Houston for the

1252
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: New England Patriots and plays an entire half, what does

1253
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: that say to you as opposed to maybe coming and

1254
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: playing only one series, like you know, regular starting quarterbacks do.

1255
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1256
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 7: I think it's tough because with the change in schedule,

1257
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 7: going from four games to three, I think teams are

1258
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 7: still trying to feel out how they want to go

1259
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 7: about this, how they want to do their dress rehearsal,

1260
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 7: how much they want to play guys in the preseason

1261
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 7: at all. I think when you look back towards last year,

1262
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 7: I think Mac Jones and what he went through with

1263
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 7: what Bill Belichick put him through. I think that he

1264
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 7: needs to have a little bit of leniency. I think

1265
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 7: that he should be the guy there. I think that

1266
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 7: he is more talented than Melee Zappi is, even though

1267
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 7: Zappi is a gamer Western Kentucky through for eight billion yards.

1268
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 7: I think Mac Jones is the better player, and I

1269
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 7: think Mac Jones is a really good fit for Bill

1270
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 7: O'Brien's offense. If he plays a half, he plays a half.

1271
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 7: I don't read too much into it. It's just really

1272
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 7: tough because the Patriots and Bill Belichick are so tight,

1273
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 7: tight lipped about everything.

1274
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: Right, Dalton, thanks very much for the time. Appreciate it.

1275
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you down the line here. Enjoy

1276
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season.

1277
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 7: Thanks Dalton, absolutely thanks for having me.

1278
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: Go Bill all right, that's Dalton Miller joining us. He

1279
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: is the lead draft analyst senior NFL analyst for Pro

1280
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: Football Network. Yet he didn't wait positions in his top

1281
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: one hundred, so he had Josh at sixteen overall, and

1282
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: then from that list on down, Fred Warner linebacker san

1283
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: fran Bosa, san fran Nick Chubb, Cleveland Chris Jones, Joe Burrow, TJ. Watt,

1284
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: and then his inside his top ten Tyreek, Jefferson, Lane Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Trent Williams, Fifth, Travis kelce, Aaron Donald, someone

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes. We want to

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Speaker 1: know from you, though, what you think about the NFL's

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Speaker 1: Top one hundred, which had Josh Allen ranked eighth overall.

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Speaker 1: Fill in the blank. There's no way Josh Allen should

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Speaker 1: be ranked behind blank on the NFL's top one hundred list.

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Speaker 1: The names ahead of him Tyreek Hill, Joe Burrow, Travis Kelcey,

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, Jalen Hurts, Justin Jefferson. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: anybody's going to disagree with Patrick Mahomes at number one,

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Speaker 1: but you got a bone to pick with any of

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Speaker 1: those other names you let us know at eight h

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Speaker 1: three zero five point fifty one eight eight eight five

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Speaker 1: point fifty two five point fifty the number to get

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Speaker 1: on board. Let's go to the tweets sheets see what

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Speaker 1: your thoughts are there. Tweets sheet brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and Bill's News Consolidated says there's no way

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey has a bigger impact on the game versus

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Speaker 1: a quarterback like Josh Allen. Kelsey also benefits from having

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, the best quarterback in the NFL. Therefore, without Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Kelsey wouldn't be as good. I understand the logic there,

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Speaker 1: and you know he would. He sounds like he's kind

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Speaker 1: of in the same boat as you, Steve, Like quarterbacks

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01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: in your mind should be like top seven or eight

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Speaker 1: on this list, if not ten.

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Speaker 2: Right, it makes sense, and you gotta it's hard. That's

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Speaker 2: why these lists are so hard, because yeah, Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 2: makes Travis Kelsey better. Travis Kelsey makes Pat Mahomes better,

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: just like you know, Jamar Chase makes Burrow better. Steph

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: Diggs makes Josh better all of that stuff. It's you know,

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: these guys depend on each other, and one guy's greatness

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01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: has a ripple effect on the roster in ways we

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01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: don't even know. So it's hard to take these guys

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: and rank them in a vacuum, you know, But it's

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01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: fun to have the debate because you know, most of

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Speaker 2: us don't have statistics and this that and the other

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01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: at at our disposal. But there's no question there's thirty

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01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 2: one other teams who would love to have Travis Kelcey

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: on their roster, just like the you know, there's thirty

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 2: thirty one other teams that would love to have Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen on their roster.

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Speaker 1: Connor on the tweets sheet says, Tyreek Hill is my issue.

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01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: His only major weapon is his speed is his hands

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: aren't great. I know he had over one hundred receptions

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: last year, but these aren't the big time receptions that

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Speaker 1: you see Diggs or Jefferson make on a regular basis.

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01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: I really don't know why the national media is so

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: high on him. It's because nobody runs faster than him.

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: His speed is so far and away better than almost

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01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: everybody in the league that it's hard to ignore it.

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Speaker 1: That's the issue at hand.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: He does bring up a valid point though, like I'm

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01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: not going to pretend to have watched every snap of

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01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: Dolphins football this year to know how many clutch plays

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Speaker 1: he made, but he was a pretty big factor in

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: the comeback went over the Ravens in Week two.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, well, yeah, it was Week two

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01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: and they were down thirty one to something ten or

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: something thirty one to thirteen, and they Dolphins came back

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: scored like four touchdowns to get back in it and

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Speaker 2: beat him. It was a total collapse by Baltimore for

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 2: one thing. And I think that's one at the point

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Speaker 2: where the Dolphins and Mike McDaniel finally realized, oh man,

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 2: this we gotta we gotta, you know, we gotta make

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 2: this our offense. We got to make these chuck it

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: all over the field. We got to make these teams

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 2: defend us all the time, you know. And I think

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01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: it changed their perspective going forward from that point. But

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01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: let's not forget he's right, and a Dalton Miller, who

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: we just had on just said it. When the Dolphins

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01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: have too a healthy and there and everybody else is healthy,

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: their offense is really really good.

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Speaker 1: It's a track team.

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Speaker 2: It's a track team, and man o, man, you got

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Speaker 2: to keep up. It's really hard to do that.

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Speaker 1: From let James Cook, Jalen Hurts, and Joe Burrow are

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: the guys I wouldn't put in front of Allen Hurts

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: had less production with better weapons. He had significantly less

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: passing production because they ran the ball so much. Joe

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: Burrow had less production with better weapons. You can argue

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01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: Diggs is better than both their first receivers, but you

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: can't argue that Cincy and Philly had better second and

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: third receivers. You might get an argument from people in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean that Trio.

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Speaker 2: Well, he said Joe Burrow had less production with better receivers,

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Speaker 2: better weapons, And I get that. That's true.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's arguing the opposite. I'm sorry, I misunderstood what

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01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: he was saying. He's saying Philly and since he had

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Speaker 1: more talent at second and third receiver.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yes, I would agree with that. You can

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: make it, you can like it. Yes, you can make

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: an argument that Diggs is as good as any number

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Speaker 2: one receiver in the league, Hurts or or Tyreek or

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01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: Waddle or whoever. And yeah, I get that. Yeah. And

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: once again, I'm I'm kind of in with you with Tyreek,

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: being like, I don't know, certainly he's a weapon, but

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Speaker 2: you know the it's.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had a monster year last year though,

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean he had over seventeen hundred yards receiving. The

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01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: other reason when the receiving title is because of Justin

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: Jefferson who had like eighteen hundred yards. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's well say this too. I mean, if you're second

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 2: No matter what your thoughts are about the Miami Dolphins

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: and Tyreek Hill and all that stuff, you gotta tip

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: your hat to a guy who went out, got thirty

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Speaker 2: million bucks and then backed it up, backed it up. Yeah,

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 2: good for him, you know he did. You gotta tip

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01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: your hat to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not my favorite guy, but right exactly,

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Speaker 1: he backed it up.

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Speaker 2: He's got he's got a little back. He brings baggage

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Speaker 2: to the to the stadium. But you gotta tip your hat.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a quick break when we

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Speaker 1: come back. Steven Amherst and Chris and West Seneca will

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Speaker 1: lead us off. We'll get to you guys when we return.

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Speaker 1: As we are asking to fill in the blank, there's

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01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: no way Josh Allen should be ranked behind Blank on

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: the NFL's top one hundred. Your phone calls next here

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01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live, Stay tuned show, Off the Road, No,

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Speaker 1: not back to training camp, out to Delta Sonic One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live. I'm going to be out there from one

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Speaker 1: to three pm at the Delta Sonic location at twenty

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: nine to seventy West Henry at a road in Rochester

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: after Thursday's training camp practice. If you're going out to

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: camp or you're in the area, slide on by, get

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: your car washed, then come hang out with Steve and I.

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01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: We'll have a special visit from Billy Buffalo and more.

1414
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: Delta Sonic the official car wash partner of the Buffalo Bills.

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01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. At eight h three

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Speaker 1: zho five fifty one eight at eight five point fifty

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: two five point fifty fill in the blank. There's no

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01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: way Josh Allen should be ranked behind Blank on the

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01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: NFL's top one hundred. For answers, we go to Steve

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: and Amherst next, what do you got for Steve?

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it.

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 8: So last night I had to get up super early

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01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 8: this morning, like before five, and when I was watching

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 8: the Top ten, when Josh came on at number eight,

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01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 8: I wasn't super upset because I was able to go

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01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 8: to bed, but I was also thinking like, wow, okay,

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 8: so that means Jalen Hurts is in front of him

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01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 8: and I'm not one hundred percent. Do you guys know

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 8: what was Jalen Hurts ranked last year in the top

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Speaker 8: one hundred Let me.

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,759
Speaker 2: Check, and I don't really that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: He was not.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay. So here's my thing. So last year, if

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Speaker 8: I remember correctly, Josh was ranked thirteen or twelve, Yeah, thirteen, okay,

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 8: And this year he's ranked eight, so obviously has improved.

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 8: But for Jalen Hurts to go up from unranked to three,

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01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 8: if that's not recency biased, I have no clue what is.

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 8: Because I definitely think Josh Allen's numbers were way better

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01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 8: when it came to passing the ball. And also I

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01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 8: think they should take into account that Josh Allen's numbers

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 8: were also lower than they should have been with the

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01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 8: amount of drops the bill's receivers had. So I think

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 8: it's really a slight to Josh. I think he should

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 8: have been much higher. But it's also the recency bias

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01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 8: is one of those things that just I mean, I

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 8: do a lot of Twitter polls and I always see

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01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 8: recency bias in those, and it's you can't help it,

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01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 8: it's just gonna happen, but it's it's definitely, uh interesting

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01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 8: to see Hurts go from unranked to three. So yeah,

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01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 8: that's my thought.

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01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 4: Guys.

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call, and I hope you guys

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 8: have a great rest of your day.

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01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, Steve, appreciate the call. Yeah, you're with me

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 1: on this because I was talking about recency bias last

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: hour and Hurts is the one that I have the

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01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: biggest issue with. I mean, he had he had a

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01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: breakout season in a year that he took his team

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01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. So I understand he was going

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: to be on this list and probably ranked very high,

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: but the body of work, in my mind, just isn't

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: there yet. If he goes out and has another great season,

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: more power to him this year. You know, the Eagles

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01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: have a much tougher schedule this year. They're playing the

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01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: AFC East and I'm trying to remember the other cross

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01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: division that they're playing in the NFC. I'm not going

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01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: to remember it off the top of my head, but

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01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: their schedule is considerably tougher than it was last year.

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01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: So go do it again like Josh has done for

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01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: the last four years.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, and I and I get it too.

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: You want to you want to be as current as

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01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: you want to as you can be. But that means

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: recency bias is going to be a part of it

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: because you don't take, for instance, you don't take Aaron

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 2: Rodgers the fact that he's been MVP two of the

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01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: last four years, even though it was two years ago

1478
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 2: that the last one was he was back to back

1479
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 2: MVP and he's won four of them. And he's won

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01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 2: four of them and he was you know, he's on

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: the list somewhere, I'm sure, but you know, how does

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: a guy like Jalen Hurts jump ahead of a guy

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01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: like that? Yeah, it's it is recency bias, no question

1484
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 2: about it.

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01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, back to the phones and to Chris and West Seneca.

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: What do you have first? Chris?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey, guys, how you doing? The way I look

1488
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 9: at it is, how is that player important to that team?

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01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 9: Like for example, if like Dolphins lost uh Perry Cole

1490
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 9: or ser Francis lost Nick Bosa, Yeah it would hurt.

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 9: But if we lost Josh Allen, most Bills fans would

1492
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 9: be like, man, are season done? With nothing against you know,

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01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 9: the backups or anything. But if we lost Josh Allen

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01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 9: for the season, We're done. Richo, you know, he gets lost.

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Speaker 9: I mean I think Miami can still do well or

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01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 9: San Francisco, And you know, that's what I got to

1497
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 9: say about that. And one question I have, guys, Astra

1498
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 9: question is it seems like lately the defense has been

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01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 9: outshining the offense almost and do we have to be

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01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 9: concerned about that? That our offense is going to be

1501
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 9: good this year? And I'm just gonna hang up and

1502
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 9: listen to your answer. Thanks, guys.

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01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, good call, Chris. Thanks for it. No, I don't

1504
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: think you have to be worried. I think it's one

1505
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: of the highest scoring offenses for each of the last

1506
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: three years. I don't think enough has changed for you

1507
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: to be concerned. I think they may choose to approach

1508
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: scoring a little bit differently than they have the last

1509
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: couple of years, but I don't think it's gonna be

1510
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: some seismic shift. I think it's gonna be tweat and

1511
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: potentially for the better. So yeah, I would not. They

1512
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: haven't played a preseason game yet, and they're not going

1513
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 1: to show you a lot in preseason either, But I

1514
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: think the reps in preseason games will kind of round

1515
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: the offense into form we know typically the defense is

1516
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: ahead of the offense because there are less interlocking parts

1517
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: that all have to work together for a defensive play

1518
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: to be successful then for an offensive play to be successful,

1519
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: and that requires a lot more coordination and that inevitably

1520
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: takes more time.

1521
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a common thing, and it's a refrain that

1522
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: happens every preseason in the training camp where the defense

1523
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: starts out a little faster than the offense. No question,

1524
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 2: this is a defense that's hard to practice against because

1525
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: they got really good players and they're really deep, and

1526
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: all they kind of do once the ball is snap,

1527
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: they just play, you know, they don't have to you know,

1528
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: they react and attack. So it's a common thing that happens.

1529
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a reason for concern, and it

1530
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: may end up making the Bills offense even better than

1531
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: it has been because of the If they're playing against

1532
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 2: the quality defense which they have been playing against in

1533
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: practice for three and a half years now four years,

1534
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 2: it does make them better. So no, it's not a

1535
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: question of concern. Which the only time you should be

1536
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: concerned is when they get into the regular season something's

1537
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: wrong and there's no reason to think that's going to

1538
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: be the case.

1539
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: Right, and you know, as for your talking you the

1540
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: way you look at the NFL top one hundred and

1541
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: saying you look at it as kind of like a

1542
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: wins above replacement that you have in baseball, right, you know,

1543
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: you're kind of looking at it with at the warstt

1544
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 1: he would rank very high in that category. Some people

1545
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: could argue that Hurts might be high in that category

1546
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: also any quarterback. Going back to what Steve was saying

1547
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 1: from the very beginning.

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01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: I got question for you. I put it this way,

1549
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: how many other quarterbacks would be as successful as Josh

1550
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: Allen on this team? And how many teams could Josh

1551
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: Allen be inserted into and be at least as successful

1552
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: as the guy they got. That's that's a fun conversation.

1553
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: It's complicated conversation to have, but it's a fun conversation

1554
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 2: to be a part of. When you kind of get

1555
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 2: going to that. I mean, you look at mahomes Borough,

1556
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, maybe maybe Herbie justin, Herbert out in LA.

1557
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you got some guys there they're maybe a little

1558
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: bit interchangeable, right it Certainly the team would look different

1559
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow other than rather than Josh Allen, because

1560
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: Josh got the athleticism, that's an enormous part of what

1561
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: he does. Would Josh Allen be able to go to

1562
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Philly and have that kind of success? They may win

1563
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl with Josh Allen as their quarterback. In

1564
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 2: my opinion, maybe you know what I mean, you can

1565
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: let's have you know, you know, I gonna have that conversation.

1566
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: That's a fun one to have. If you plug Josh

1567
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: a Josh Allen into Miami's offense, what happens? If you

1568
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: plug him into Kansas City's offense? What happens if you

1569
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: plug him into the Phillies offense? What happened? What would

1570
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan do with Josh Allen at quarterback? Right? That's

1571
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,440
Speaker 2: a fun conversation. And what would you do with Mahomes

1572
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 2: or Herbert or Burrow? That's fun?

1573
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what Danny says on the tweetsheet. Anyone

1574
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: other than Mahomes and Burrow I have a problem with

1575
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: as far as value to a team, I think you

1576
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: can make the argument that Josh means more to his

1577
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: team than anyone else in the league. Maybe not think

1578
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: about it, anyone else, but Mahomes is probably the only

1579
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: other guy you might put in that category, Herbert's pretty

1580
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: heavily relied upon. I mean, that guy's thrown for five

1581
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: thousand yards already in a See.

1582
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets really dicey when you start doing that.

1583
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: Because the Jets did it. The Jets got that guy.

1584
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 2: What would happen if we had Aaron Rodgers on our team? Well,

1585
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: now you got him. But see how it goes that?

1586
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the quintessential you did it? See it work?

1587
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 2: It's almost never that simple. There's only there's six thousand

1588
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: moving parts to an NFL roster and NFL team and

1589
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,919
Speaker 2: a game day and a game plan and an opponent

1590
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: and a matchup. And there's six thousand moving parts and

1591
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: you're changing one of them, you know, and it rarely

1592
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: goes like that. It might for it might for the Jets.

1593
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 2: They're banking on it that it will.

1594
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. JW Socks on the tweets sheet brings a

1595
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: different offshoot to this conversation. It's his opinion that Josh

1596
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: has to at least get to the Super Bowl to

1597
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: move into the top five. What do you think about that?

1598
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's fine.

1599
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: He was he used the recency bias to your advantage. Yeah,

1600
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: go to the superworks.

1601
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: It should work the same both ways. If he does

1602
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 2: that this year, he should be And if recency bias

1603
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: was what it was last year in that division in

1604
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 2: two years ago in the thirteen second game, Josh should

1605
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: have been number one going on the road into Kansas

1606
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: City and doing that what he.

1607
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: Did, well, Yeah, people would argue Joe Burrow did that

1608
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: and one, I think he's three and oh against Mahomes.

1609
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: Burrow, he's three and other kryptonite. He's three and oh

1610
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: against he's their kryptonite.

1611
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 1: And I think the main reason why is the style

1612
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: of football that he plays. As I was saying last hour,

1613
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: he plays this efficient ball out of the hand quick

1614
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: style a la Tom Brady. And you know, we all

1615
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: know the success Brady had playing that way. I think

1616
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 1: Burrow has fully adopted that style of play. He's taken

1617
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: less hits, he's stayed healthier for the most part, this

1618
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: calf injury notwithstanding, and it has confounded the Chiefs defense.

1619
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: They have been unable to come up with answers because

1620
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: the ball is out of his hands so fast, so

1621
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: it neutralizes people like Chris Jones and Frank Clark. Over

1622
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: the years, So yeah, it's an effective way to try

1623
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: and beat the Chiefs.

1624
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,799
Speaker 2: Because it's really takes, It really takes. It's an enormous

1625
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: amount of confidence defensively to squat on routes short and

1626
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 2: defend passes short because you've got you got the chase,

1627
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 2: you got t Higgins Boyd, you got some guys that

1628
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 2: can really stretch the field. And if you sit down

1629
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: on the route thinking they're the ball's gotta come out,

1630
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: and it doesn't come out, you're done. The lid's off.

1631
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 2: You're chasing the guys. You're you're looking at the guy's

1632
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: heels and his back plate, nameplate on his jersey, and

1633
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: you're they get over the top on you. So it

1634
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 2: takes some real courage and some confidence to defend passes

1635
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: in the intermediate to short range against Cincinnati thinking that

1636
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 2: Joe's the ball is gonna come out of Joe's hand

1637
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 2: because it might not, and then that's how that's how

1638
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: they got fake and they get you on a pump

1639
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: fake and he slides one way or the other in

1640
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: the pocket and has that extra half second or a

1641
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,440
Speaker 2: quarter of a second and the ball's gone. You're dead.

1642
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, break time for us here one more segment to go.

1643
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: We get some final thoughts on the tweet sheet here

1644
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 1: on one Bill's Live presented by Kaleida Health, It's Buffalo

1645
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. All Right, some final thoughts on the tweet

1646
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: sheet here, as we've been having you fill in the

1647
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: blank today, There's no way Josh Allen should be ranked

1648
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: behind Blank on the NFL's Top one hundred. HERB on

1649
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet says, this is total disrespect for Josh

1650
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: Allen to be put behind Jalen Hurts. Hertz has had

1651
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: one year of really good play in the NFL in

1652
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: his career. Josh has been doing this for multiple years.

1653
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 1: They should flip eight and three to get this correct.

1654
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: Josh was eight, Hurts was three. I would say Hurts

1655
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: is probably the one player I have the biggest bone

1656
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: to pick on based on his ranking as it relates

1657
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: to Josh. That being said, though, Steve, is there any

1658
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: other name in that top ten that bugs you more

1659
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: than Hurts? Perhaps?

1660
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: Well, I was at I don't know, Let me get him,

1661
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 2: let him get him back up, because I I'm kind

1662
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: of with you. I'm not a big fan of you know,

1663
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 2: defensive lineman, defensive tackles. I know, they're they're great players,

1664
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: and they contribute there there. I don't want to be

1665
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 2: little what they do, but I mean Nick Bosa is

1666
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: a great player, dominant, dominant player when he's healthy, you know.

1667
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 2: I mean, does Jalen Hurts make this list if he

1668
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 2: doesn't play all seventeen games? I mean, I don't know.

1669
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: I I think that's where it gets difficult. Micah Parsons

1670
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 2: is a really great player. I don't think any of

1671
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 2: those players have the effect or would have the effect

1672
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 2: if you interchange them on another team like you would

1673
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: Josh Allen going on another team. That's my thing. Travis

1674
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: kelcey uh is a great player, but you know he's

1675
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 2: he's had the best quarterback, arguably the best quarterback ever

1676
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: throwing to him. They playmaking of guy. Ever, so you know,

1677
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, I mean, these guys and Michael Parsons, Chris

1678
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 2: Jones are nine and ten right behind Josh. That's tough.

1679
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: And Justin Jefferson, who is a great wide receiver and

1680
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 2: had you know, the best year of all of a

1681
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: wide receiver last year, still didn't set the NFL record. No,

1682
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 2: that's a little surprising to me.

1683
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 1: Do you think he got ranked higher than Kelsey because

1684
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 1: he plays with Kirk Cousins and Kelsey plays with Patrick Mahomes.

1685
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 2: Well, if you're going to start talking like that, what

1686
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: are we you know, what are they doing? I'm just

1687
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 2: because that's the whole point of this thing. If you're

1688
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 2: going to start saying he gets this and that guy

1689
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 2: got your handicapped. Jalen Hurts got the best roster in

1690
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: the NFL and he he wasn't even ranked two years ago.

1691
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 2: Last year, well yeah last year, he wasn't even ranked

1692
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: last year, so you know, what do you what are

1693
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: you doing? Yeah, so there's a little bit of incongruity there,

1694
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 2: and that.

1695
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Ladies and germs is your fifty sent word of the day. Yeah,

1696
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: got it in just in time. Well done, Steve uh.

1697
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: We will be back at training camp tomorrow, second to

1698
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: last practice at Saint John Fisher University. We'll have all

1699
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: the reports from camp tomorrow. We'll see it once