WEBVTT - Chapter 2 | Destroyer

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<v Speaker 1>Every time I hear about my dad is oh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a killer, you know he has He's just straight evil.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always scared because, like my biggest fear was

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<v Speaker 1>being him.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy Scott was a shadow in Justin's life, always there,

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<v Speaker 2>but only mentioned in hush tones. Growing up, He'd hears

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<v Speaker 2>stray comments about Jeremy, but the details were always vague.

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<v Speaker 2>The hazy mix.

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<v Speaker 3>Of fact and fiction, different stories like killing two people,

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<v Speaker 3>and one time I was on the impression from all

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<v Speaker 3>the information I gathered that he's killed at least twelve people.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin also heard bits and pieces about a true story,

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<v Speaker 2>the story of the one murder his dad did get convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Of killing this one guy because he was gay.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that, you know, to do try to touch them,

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<v Speaker 3>but apparently to do didn't touch them.

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<v Speaker 1>He just wanted to rob him for money.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Justin wanted to know everything about whose dad was

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<v Speaker 2>and what he'd done, as long as it was finally

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<v Speaker 2>the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really want to make amends, just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>come clean and just open open yourself to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some things Justin I can tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>this murder. Hey, Shan, I can tell you about the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence Kelsey and I saw at the Polk County Courthouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't touch anything, text some pictures and correct that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw the blood spattered shirt your dad was wearing the

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<v Speaker 2>day he was arrested. It's a Bud Mackenzie t shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>That the weapon was a bottle sparkling white grape juice.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is, okay. The confessions exist on two

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<v Speaker 2>black cassette tapes.

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<v Speaker 4>Testing Testing one two three four five five four three two.

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you what's in them, and I will,

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<v Speaker 2>But there are other parts of the story, parts I

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<v Speaker 2>could never have known if your mom hadn't chosen to

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<v Speaker 2>share her side of things. She's the one who can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about your dad's final moments of freedom because

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<v Speaker 2>your mom was there justin and in a way, so

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<v Speaker 2>were you do you?

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<v Speaker 4>My mans laugh to as my feet soru step sorry

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<v Speaker 4>in this vasish rage as fish to.

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<v Speaker 2>The sliding stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Sold things stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Bone Valley Season two, Jeremy Chapter two, Destroyer.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember him calling and saying that him and Brian

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<v Speaker 5>were coming. They were going to pick me up.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie thought she was done with Jeremy. He broke up

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<v Speaker 2>with her after finding out she was pregnant, but the

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<v Speaker 2>morning after Halloween, Jeremy shows up in a Chevy Bretta,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian's in the front seat.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew Brian from high school. He was always kind

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<v Speaker 5>of a quiet guy, one of the pie heads, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>always hung out with the pie heads that smoked out

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<v Speaker 5>under the oak tree. That when I saw him in

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<v Speaker 5>that car, he was he just he didn't even look

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<v Speaker 5>like the same person. His face was all broke out.

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<v Speaker 5>It was really pale. I remember getting in the back

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<v Speaker 5>seat and we left.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie turns to Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 5>Where'd you get the car, and he said, Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 5>Donald's car. Now, Donald, I remember him mentioning Donald before Donald,

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<v Speaker 5>I think was the guy that he owned trailer park

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<v Speaker 5>trailers or ran a trailer park or something, and Jeremy

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<v Speaker 5>would do side jobs for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what I look learning from police files and trial testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy met thirty seven year old Donald moorehead that fall

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<v Speaker 2>at a gay bar called Fantasy two thousand. Don gives

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<v Speaker 2>him some weed, asks if he wants to make some money,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jeremy begins doing handiwork at his trailer. Sometimes Don

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<v Speaker 2>would let Jeremy stay overnight if he had no place

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<v Speaker 2>to go. Don's friends later testified that Don was paying

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy for sex.

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<v Speaker 5>Jeremy denied this, and it was weird. He said, Don

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<v Speaker 5>let me borrow his car, and I remember thinking, why

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<v Speaker 5>would Don let you borrow his car? He knows you

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<v Speaker 5>don't have a driver's license, you've never had one.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy circles the block a few times. From the back seat,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie notices both boys are jumpy and nervous. Jeremy looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he's starting to cry.

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<v Speaker 5>He had spots on his pants. He was wearing this

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<v Speaker 5>white and blue shirt and these jeans, and they had

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<v Speaker 5>kind of like ragged places, not really holes, but like

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<v Speaker 5>real thin ragged places, and there were spots all over it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember thinking he just bought that shirt not

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<v Speaker 5>too long ago, because it was the shirt he got

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<v Speaker 5>with the money they gave him when he got out

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<v Speaker 5>of prison. He got it from the dollar store. But

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<v Speaker 5>it had spots on it.

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<v Speaker 2>The spots are dark and red.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think my brain registered what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy tells her something really bad happened and that he

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<v Speaker 2>and Brian have to leave town. They let Jamie out

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<v Speaker 2>of the car and they drive off. Jamie is terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>She runs inside and calls her friend, Jennifer.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember her calling me, and she was upset. She

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<v Speaker 6>was crying, and I thought maybe they had a fight whatever,

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<v Speaker 6>But she was telling me that she was worried about Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 6>Something bad had happened. Jeremy had told her he'd gotten

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<v Speaker 6>into a fight with some guy, and the story was

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<v Speaker 6>that the guy was gay and made a pass at him,

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<v Speaker 6>and he had grabbed a bottle and he hit him

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<v Speaker 6>with it. Didn't know if he knocked him out or

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<v Speaker 6>what happened. And they got out of there. So she's

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<v Speaker 6>telling me he's telling her all of that, and she

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<v Speaker 6>kept saying, I think there's more. I think there's more,

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<v Speaker 6>there's more to it. And she sounded scared to me.

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<v Speaker 6>And I remember telling her, whatever you do, if he

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<v Speaker 6>shows up, don't leave with him, don't go anywhere. I

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<v Speaker 6>made her promise, but swear to me, you're not going

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<v Speaker 6>to do anything stupid. You're not going to go anywhere,

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<v Speaker 6>basically trying to talk her into staying put.

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<v Speaker 2>Later that night, Jeremy calls again. He says he wants

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<v Speaker 2>her to lay low with him for her few days,

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<v Speaker 2>then make a run for Texas in a fresh start.

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<v Speaker 2>He's coming back to get her.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember going out back, smoking a cigarette and just thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was almost like I was trying to think

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<v Speaker 5>of a way to get out of it. That couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>find a way to get out of it. But I

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<v Speaker 5>can remember smoking a cigarette and hearing the car pull

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<v Speaker 5>up and my heart just dropping. And I remember walking

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<v Speaker 5>around the side of the house and I figured he'd

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<v Speaker 5>be sitting in the car. Well, he was already at

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<v Speaker 5>the front door, and my grandmother was at the front door. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>he had told my grandmother I'm here to pick up Jamie,

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<v Speaker 5>so you know, he already told her I was leaving.

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<v Speaker 5>So she's like, oh, okay, we'll come back your stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>You didn't tell me you were going.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie takes another look at Jeremy. He's still wearing the

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<v Speaker 2>bloodstained clothes he had on earlier that morning.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew I wasn't coming back, and so people would

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<v Speaker 5>ask me, well, why you knew he showed up at

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<v Speaker 5>your house in this guy's car and he had blood

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<v Speaker 5>on his pants. Why did you get in the car

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<v Speaker 5>with him. I was not telling him. No, you don't understand,

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<v Speaker 5>and people just don't understand. I wasn't telling him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Jeremy and Jamie set off in Don's Chevy Barretta.

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<v Speaker 2>As they drive, Jeremy talks about his plan. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>family about thirty miles away. They can hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>them for a few days before hitting the road, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>leave Polk County for good. An hour later, they arrive

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<v Speaker 2>at a trailer in Davenport. Jeremy's younger brother Royal, is

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<v Speaker 2>there with his teenage wife Anna and their baby.

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<v Speaker 5>The baby was walking, so she had to have been,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, over a year. And I remember the baby

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<v Speaker 5>being in a diaper and just dirty and just covered

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<v Speaker 5>in dirt, and the house was dirty, and the baby

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<v Speaker 5>was crying, and I wanted to get the baby something

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<v Speaker 5>to eat. There was nothing, nothing. There was nothing in

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<v Speaker 5>that kitchen. Nothing. And I came out and I said,

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<v Speaker 5>there's nothing in this house. What are you going to

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<v Speaker 5>give her to eat? And I remember Anne getting mad,

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<v Speaker 5>told me, I don't worry about, don't worry about. She's

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<v Speaker 5>already ate. She's fine, she's fine, And Jeremy told me

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<v Speaker 5>to go to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in Lakeland, Jennifer spent the whole night worrying about

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<v Speaker 2>her friend.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember getting a yeah, took a shower, my hair

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<v Speaker 6>was wet and I was combing my hair, and I

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<v Speaker 6>walked out through the kitchen into the dining room, and

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<v Speaker 6>on the dining room table was the newspaper, Lakelyn Ledger.

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<v Speaker 6>That was normal, and I went over and I grabbed it.

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<v Speaker 6>I always liked to read the comics, you know, so

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<v Speaker 6>I grabbed it and bang, right on the front page

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<v Speaker 6>there's the story about someone found murdered. And the things

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<v Speaker 6>that they were saying in the news article were, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>pretty much lining up with some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 6>she had told me.

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<v Speaker 2>The headline and the Lakeland Ledger reads Neighbors and Investigators

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<v Speaker 2>mystified by Lakeland man found dead and home. Below it,

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<v Speaker 2>a photo shows a sheet covered body being wheeled to

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<v Speaker 2>a van. Jennifer skims the article, reading that the victim,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Moorehead, died from a head wound and that police

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<v Speaker 2>believe his Chevy Burretta was stolen. Jennifer's thoughts jumped to

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie's panicked call into Jeremy Scott.

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<v Speaker 6>So I started freaking out, like, oh my god, he

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<v Speaker 6>killed this guy, you know. So I called for grandmother's

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<v Speaker 6>house and she was gone. They didn't know where she was.

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<v Speaker 6>She'd left with Jeremy. And at that point, I kind

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<v Speaker 6>of freak out because I'm reading this, He's obviously murdered someone.

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<v Speaker 6>In my mind, obviously murdered someone. And now my friend

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<v Speaker 6>is gone, my pregnant friend is gone somewhere with him.

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<v Speaker 6>I went and I found my mom and I went

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<v Speaker 6>to her crying. I had the paper in my hand

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<v Speaker 6>and I took it to her and I told her

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<v Speaker 6>what Janie had told me, and I showed her the article.

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<v Speaker 2>That same morning, across Polk County, Jamie wakes up in

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<v Speaker 2>a trailer with Jeremy and I was starving.

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<v Speaker 5>I was so hungry. Now, mind, I'm six months pregnant

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<v Speaker 5>and the baby's still crying. That baby was always crying,

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<v Speaker 5>and I know she was hungry. You can just tell

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<v Speaker 5>she was hungry. I remember coming out and the keys

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<v Speaker 5>to that car sitting on this little table thing that

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<v Speaker 5>was sitting by the door, and I didn't care what

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<v Speaker 5>they said. I was going to get something to eat.

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<v Speaker 5>And I knew from sitting in the back seat that

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<v Speaker 5>that Center Council thing had a bunch of change in it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I grabbed them keys and Jeremy said, where are

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<v Speaker 5>you going? I said, I'm going to get me and

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<v Speaker 5>this baby something to eat. And I walked out the

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<v Speaker 5>door and I made it maybe a block, maybe two blocks,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not really sure, and all of a sudden, all

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<v Speaker 5>these cops came flying from nowhere, and I can remember

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<v Speaker 5>just sitting there, petrified and thinking. In the back of

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<v Speaker 5>my head. The first thought I thought was, I knew it.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew it. My gut knew when he picked me up,

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<v Speaker 5>I knew it. I knew something was wrong. And I

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<v Speaker 5>remember putting my hands up and I'm all getting out

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<v Speaker 5>and they all had their guns pointed at me, and

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<v Speaker 5>I can remember hollering out the window, I'm pregnant. Please

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<v Speaker 5>don't shoot, Please don't shoot. I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just balling and balling, and they're like, where's where's Scott,

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<v Speaker 5>Where's Jeremy Scott, where's it Jeremy Scott. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm alone, I'm alone. Don't shoot, don't shoot, Please don't shoot.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember this one cop and he came in.

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<v Speaker 5>He grabbed my arm and he held it out the

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<v Speaker 5>window and then he opened the door and I can

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<v Speaker 5>remember him yanking me out and put me across the hood,

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<v Speaker 5>and all I kept thinking about was baby, and so

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<v Speaker 5>I was grabbing my stomach and so then they got

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<v Speaker 5>really mad, and so they're grabbing my arms and all

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<v Speaker 5>I kept hollering was I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. And this

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<v Speaker 5>one cop got down in my face and he says,

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<v Speaker 5>if you care about your baby, where's Jeremy Scott? And

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I'll tell you where they're at. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 5>you what they're wearing. Just let me get off my baby,

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<v Speaker 5>and so he let me stand up. I said, to

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<v Speaker 5>that house. I told them, to the scripts of the house.

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<v Speaker 5>This is what they're wearing, this is how many people

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<v Speaker 5>are there. But I said, there's a baby in the house.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember this lady cop being there, and I

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<v Speaker 5>can remember I looked at her and I was crying

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<v Speaker 5>and I said, please take some food for that baby,

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<v Speaker 5>and she just looked at me and she said what

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<v Speaker 5>I said, Please feed that baby and the tea, and

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<v Speaker 5>I mean she started crying. They did put me in

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<v Speaker 5>the back of the car and they told me they

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<v Speaker 5>were taking me to the station and I said okay,

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<v Speaker 5>And when they shut that door, I could breathe. It

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<v Speaker 5>was like the whole time I couldn't breathe like I

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<v Speaker 5>was underwater. And then I think that's when it finally

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<v Speaker 5>hit me that I was free, that I was finally

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<v Speaker 5>going to get away. And they took me to the

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<v Speaker 5>station and they were ask me everything, and I told

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<v Speaker 5>him everything, everything I knew, and they were asking me

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<v Speaker 5>about calling Jennifer. And then that's when I knew Jennifer

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<v Speaker 5>had called the police.

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<v Speaker 6>I was scared and I was upset for her, but

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<v Speaker 6>I was also mad at her because she promised me

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<v Speaker 6>that she wouldn't go with him.

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<v Speaker 5>She promised me, So Jennifer saved my life. I'm telling

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<v Speaker 5>you right now, I still firmly believe if he had

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<v Speaker 5>not been arrested, I'd be dead. It was getting more

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<v Speaker 5>and more violent each time. And the look when I

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<v Speaker 5>first met him, he was intense, and you could just

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<v Speaker 5>feel him. By the end, there was nothing. There was

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<v Speaker 5>nothing in his eyes, and he would look at you

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<v Speaker 5>and you would just feel like ice water. Five four

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<v Speaker 5>three two.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be speaking with Jeremy j E. R. M. E.

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<v Speaker 5>Y Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>When Jeremy and Brian are arrested, they eventually tell police

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<v Speaker 2>everything that the murder happened. The morning after Halloween.

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<v Speaker 5>Night, going back to Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>That they were drinking and smoking in Don's trailer. Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>knows Don's got hundreds of dollars on him. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>the cash and Don's car, and when he sees Don

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<v Speaker 2>asleep in the recliner, Jeremy smashes him over the head

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<v Speaker 2>with a bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't one time with the bottle, okay, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>when he went down.

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<v Speaker 5>He was like then, he was unconscious.

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<v Speaker 2>When Don doesn't die fast enough, Jeremy wraps a telephone

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<v Speaker 2>cord around his neck and watches Don take his final breath.

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<v Speaker 2>From the tapes, it's clear the murder, like so many

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<v Speaker 2>of Jeremy's violent acts, was completely senseless and not well

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<v Speaker 2>thought out. He kills Don to give himself time to

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<v Speaker 2>search for money. He knew Don was hiding in the trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>but the murder didn't bring him any closer to finding it.

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<v Speaker 5>Which you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 7>You will don't care what you do. You won't fire again.

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<v Speaker 5>You will find nice cook eating.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jeremy gave up looking for the cash and left

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<v Speaker 2>a fake note on Don's door to buy themselves time

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<v Speaker 2>to get away. It reads friend was in trouble in

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<v Speaker 2>Orlando went to help him be back in a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>Don That's when Jeremy drives over to Jamie's with blood

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<v Speaker 2>on his clothes and brings her to the trailer in Davenport.

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<v Speaker 2>When police pulled Jamie over in the Chevy, Jeremy hears

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<v Speaker 2>a dog from the canine unit. From inside the trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>he sees the helicopter circling above. With nowhere to go,

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<v Speaker 2>he and his younger brother, Royal Dean, take off into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods. Dean's got a warn out for his arrest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an unrelated charge, but he doesn't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>thrown in jail either. They wade into a creek, hoping

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<v Speaker 2>the water will mask their scent, but the helicopter stays

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<v Speaker 2>fixed above them. They sit together on a log and

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy finally tells Royal Dean what he did to Donald moorehead.

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<v Speaker 2>They're after me, not you, he says. Watching the scene

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<v Speaker 2>unfold through the trees from where they sit, Jeremy sees

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<v Speaker 2>the officers putting Jamie in the back of a cop car,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he does something that for me looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it now, reveals what a complicated and conflicted person he is.

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<v Speaker 5>M M.

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<v Speaker 7>My brother said he was gonna turn him selva Inn,

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<v Speaker 7>so that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie had nothing to do with this murder, and he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want her or Royal Dean caught up in it.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave me enough time to get away and they

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<v Speaker 3>turned himselve In.

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<v Speaker 2>What I know from police records is that Jeremy walks

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<v Speaker 2>up the hill toward the waiting detectives. Are you looking

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<v Speaker 2>for me? He asks? His voice is calm, almost resigned

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<v Speaker 2>to his fate. He's been behind bars ever since. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>told Jamie that you were gonna kill Jamie.

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<v Speaker 5>What.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I gotta take my own life right to kill

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<v Speaker 7>her up.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the only girl I ever really loved.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was pregnant with Justin at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On March fifth, nineteen eighty nine, well, Jeremy is locked

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<v Speaker 2>up in the Polk County jail awaiting trial for Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Moorehead's murder. Jamie checks into the hospital with her mom.

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<v Speaker 5>I was petrified. You know, you see movies about evil children,

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<v Speaker 5>like like Damien and stuff, and I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 5>I had those thoughts. I had those thoughts that what

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<v Speaker 5>if this kid is just like his father? When Justin

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<v Speaker 5>was born. The day he was born, and the way

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<v Speaker 5>he was I had a really rough labor. He was

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<v Speaker 5>in stress. It was just it was scary. And he

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<v Speaker 5>ended up being in the hospital for like six weeks,

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<v Speaker 5>and I couldn't hold him and I couldn't touch him,

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<v Speaker 5>and I would sit there and I would look at

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<v Speaker 5>him and I told I remember telling my mom, this

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<v Speaker 5>baby's not gonna love me because I can't bond with him,

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<v Speaker 5>I can't touch him. And I can remember him just

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<v Speaker 5>looking at me, and my mom saying, you see how

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<v Speaker 5>he's looking at you. He knows who you are. And

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<v Speaker 5>I just fell so in love with this baby. And

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<v Speaker 5>I just knew. I just knew he was mine. I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't care who his dad was, I didn't care how

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<v Speaker 5>he came. That was my baby, that was my child.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time Jeremy's trial began, his son was six

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<v Speaker 2>months old. This trial was not a who done it.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Jeremy and his co defendant Brian Hall had already

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<v Speaker 2>confessed to killing Donald moorehead. Even though the jury recommended

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<v Speaker 2>life in prison, that Jeremy's sentencing prosecutor, John Aguero, convinced

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<v Speaker 2>the judge to send him to the electric chair, so

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy was shipped off to death Row at Rayford to

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<v Speaker 2>wait for his execution date, and while he waited, he

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<v Speaker 2>could not stop thinking about his son.

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<v Speaker 5>He would write, I mean, at first, it was like

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<v Speaker 5>almost every day I would get a letter, get a letter,

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<v Speaker 5>get a letter. And then I can remember him begging

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<v Speaker 5>to meet Justin, begging to meet Justin. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>meet Justin, and I wouldn't write him back. I wouldn't respond,

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<v Speaker 5>and I kept thinking, if I don't answer him, he'll

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<v Speaker 5>quit right and he's gone, He's gone. Don't answer them.

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<v Speaker 5>But he kept asking about Jestin, and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>meet Jestin, and I found he wrote down, and I thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna let him meet Justin. One time.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie drives north to Rayford to visit Jeremy. In the

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<v Speaker 2>visitation area, death row inmates are separated from visitors by

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<v Speaker 2>thick glass. When Jeremy's escorted in, He's wearing blue prison

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 2>pants with an orange shirt reserved for death row inmates.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie is seated on one side of the glass. Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>sits down on the other side.

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<v Speaker 5>I let him see him through. It was like five minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't very long.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy can't take his eyes off of Justin, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember him starting crying, and I told him, this

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<v Speaker 5>is the lonely time you'll ever see your son. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think me being able to finally tell him no

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<v Speaker 5>without the fear was what I needed. And I remember

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<v Speaker 5>leaving and the relief that I felt, and knowing that

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<v Speaker 5>I'd never have to see him again, and that it

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<v Speaker 5>was just so much relief, so much relief. And I

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<v Speaker 5>remember going out and sitting in the car, and I

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<v Speaker 5>know I sat there for probably an hour, and I

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<v Speaker 5>just cried, and a part of me felt guilty because

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<v Speaker 5>Justin was going to grow up without a dad, but

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't want him growing up with that dad. And

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<v Speaker 5>the letter stopped not long after that. They got less

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<v Speaker 5>and less, and it wasn't much longer after that that

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<v Speaker 5>he finally just gave up and stopped writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie tries to move on to forget. Every time there's

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<v Speaker 2>a change in Jeremy's status, the doc notifies her, like

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<v Speaker 2>a few years later, when the Florida Supreme Court overturns

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy's death sentence, citing all the physical and emotional abuse

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 2>he suffered, as a child, she's told that his sentence

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<v Speaker 2>has been reduced to life in prison. When she gets

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<v Speaker 2>these calls about Jeremy, she has to start forgetting all

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<v Speaker 2>over again.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to have some of his clothes and stuff

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<v Speaker 5>that I held onto for a long time. I got

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<v Speaker 5>rid of all of that to try to get rid

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<v Speaker 5>of demons. And it didn't work. Yeah, I was. I

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<v Speaker 5>had a really rough time with nightmares and stuff for

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<v Speaker 5>a long time, and that didn't help. It didn't help.

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<v Speaker 2>But then she also has this little baby, and as

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<v Speaker 2>he grows up, it becomes even harder to forget.

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<v Speaker 5>From the day he was born, he looked just like Jeremy,

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<v Speaker 5>looked just like him, especially when he reached those teenage

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 5>years and when he first sprouted up, and when that

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 5>voice changed and he started getting the little scruffy hairs,

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<v Speaker 5>and oh god, it my heart would just clench, it

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 5>would just clench. And see, Justin doesn't have the dark hair,

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 5>He's got the blonde hair, so he would look like

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy when I first met him. Sometimes the way he walks,

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<v Speaker 5>he's got Jeremy's walk. He walks like Jeremy, and those

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<v Speaker 5>blue eyes and you know, the Jeremy I first met,

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<v Speaker 5>and it would meet my heart hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>But she doesn't talk about it, doesn't share the hurt

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.119
<v Speaker 2>she feels, not with her son as he gets older,

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<v Speaker 2>or with anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>As I'm getting old. One thing I'm realizing humans are

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<v Speaker 1>very fragile. They're very emotional creatures, all of us. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a human too.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise I fly down to Florida to visit Justin

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 2>about a month after our first phone call. First thing

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<v Speaker 2>I notice is how much he resembles a younger version

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<v Speaker 2>of his father. I've seen Jeremy's mugshots and the photos

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>taken during his prison transfers when he was around the

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>same age as Justin. Both father and son have the

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 2>piercing blue eyes Jamie talked about. Justin isn't as tall

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 2>as Jeremy, but he shares the same thin build. Even

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>their voices have a similar tone in cadence. The other

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 2>thing that stands out about Justin is his nature. He's

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>a real people pleaser, thoughtful, sensitive. He tells me that

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as he can remember, he's yearned for

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<v Speaker 2>a strong and stable family.

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<v Speaker 1>I did have times when I would see families and

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<v Speaker 1>I would, you know, crying my head type thing, because

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<v Speaker 1>I would always want to fall here. And that goes

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>for a mother too, like I wanted a happy mother

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<v Speaker 1>type thing.

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 2>There were years when Jamie couldn't care for her son.

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Justin spent time living with his grandmother and then an aunt,

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 2>while his mom fought to push away her painful past.

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<v Speaker 5>I never talked to anybody about any of this. I

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 5>bottled all that up and put it away. Well, the

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 5>way to keep it put it away was to do

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 5>drugs and to drink and get into these bad relationships.

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 5>And it was just recycling and recycling.

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Even as she tried to avoid talking about Jeremy at

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<v Speaker 2>all costs, he had a way of resurfacing in her life.

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Like how in two thousand and five, Jamie got an

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>unexpected knock on her door.

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<v Speaker 5>When those detectives showed up, it was like somebody he

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 5>just took a bandage and just tore it off and

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 5>everything just came out. They just said, we need to

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 5>talk to you about Jeremy Scott.

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Investigators had just learned that Jeremy Scott's fingerprints were identified

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>inside the car Michelle Schofield was driving the night she

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<v Speaker 2>was killed.

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<v Speaker 5>And as soon as they said that I hit the

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<v Speaker 5>floor and I just started crying, and I said, how

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<v Speaker 5>did he get out? Because that's been my biggest fear,

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<v Speaker 5>is he's going to get out. He's going to find

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<v Speaker 5>me and he's going to kill me. And they were like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh no, no, no, he didn't get out. We just

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<v Speaker 5>need to talk to you. And for him to still

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<v Speaker 5>have that hold on me. Sixteen years later, I thought

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<v Speaker 5>I was over that. I don't even remember most of

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<v Speaker 5>that interview. I'm going to be real with you, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't remember a lot of it. And when I left

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<v Speaker 5>that interview, and I'm just gonna be honest, I went

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<v Speaker 5>on a three week binger and pretty much disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin learned not to ask too many questions about his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>The only time that anything was mentioned it was either

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in argument, you don't need to be

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<v Speaker 1>like your father, you don't blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime they ever talked about him is you're not liking

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<v Speaker 1>him type thing. So I wonder how much of my

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<v Speaker 1>life I followed in his footsteps, because if you keep

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<v Speaker 1>telling someone they're not something, they end up being something

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<v Speaker 1>like I got to make sure not to do that

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<v Speaker 1>with my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it like when you found out you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a father?

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<v Speaker 1>I was scared, I was, I was, well, I'm still scared.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just more or less me being scared about

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<v Speaker 1>anger issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin doesn't have a criminal record. He's never gotten into

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of trouble Jeremy, did.

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<v Speaker 1>You know if I'm going to be like my dad?

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<v Speaker 1>Which I'm not, because I don't even know what my

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<v Speaker 1>dad would be like in a dad role.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time Justin heard his dad's voice, he heard

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<v Speaker 2>him confessing to a murder.

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<v Speaker 7>Because I have to live with this every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you describe that?

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<v Speaker 5>What does it like to live with them?

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<v Speaker 7>That's not a good feeling this way? Just put it away.

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<v Speaker 7>I dreamed, I wake up. I turned over. I said,

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<v Speaker 7>I said, a dead body, say next to me. I

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<v Speaker 7>see with dead bodies every night when I go to bed.

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<v Speaker 7>That's punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was expecting. I was expecting someone cold. I

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<v Speaker 1>was expecting like a like someone that really don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I heard someone genuinely crying, and so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So it makes sense. His name is finally

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<v Speaker 1>caught up to him. He was forced to break and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't know how to handle that.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy can never set things truly right. He can't bring

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<v Speaker 2>back the dead or erase the ripples of pain he's

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<v Speaker 2>caused for so many. But he can set the record straight,

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<v Speaker 2>which he hopes, and Justin hopes, and I hope will

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<v Speaker 2>one day help to exonerate Leo Schofield, whose conviction for

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<v Speaker 2>the murder of his wife still stands today. Justin wants

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<v Speaker 2>to support his dad through this struggle. He wants him

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest about his past.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad was a destroyer. I'm a healer type thing,

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<v Speaker 1>so in the beginning is the heal what my dad

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<v Speaker 1>had broke. And I feel like if I do that,

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<v Speaker 1>then I could unlock the power of healing.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how my mind frame works.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin tells me he wants to talk talk to his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be able to talk to my dad

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't even know how to take the steps

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not scared.

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<v Speaker 2>He wonders if this will help him be a better

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<v Speaker 2>father to his own son, so he can somedays show

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<v Speaker 2>him that even broken pieces can be put back together

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<v Speaker 2>in their own way.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that is anything I have to help my dad.

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<v Speaker 5>How can I be a father to my son. If

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<v Speaker 5>I can't even stand up to my own I.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell Justin I'll try to help him. We can definitely

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<v Speaker 2>help you with this. We have, We've been corresponding with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just tell you right now, but deep down I

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<v Speaker 2>was unsettled. Connecting Justin with his father means bringing him

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<v Speaker 2>into the chaos of Jeremy's life. I knew what that

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<v Speaker 2>was like. But Justin is his son. How would he

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<v Speaker 2>respond to getting a letter like this one? Mister King,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no hard feelings towards you or to society.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll make this short. This will be my last time

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<v Speaker 2>writing to you. They are going to lock me away

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. The monster in me is coming

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<v Speaker 2>alive one last time. Hope everything works out for you. Goodbye,

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