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Speaker 1: Every time I hear about my dad is oh, he's

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Speaker 1: I was always scared because, like my biggest fear was

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Scott was a shadow in Justin's life, always there,

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Speaker 2: but only mentioned in hush tones. Growing up, He'd hears

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Speaker 2: The hazy mix.

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Speaker 3: Of fact and fiction, different stories like killing two people,

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Speaker 3: and one time I was on the impression from all

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Speaker 3: the information I gathered that he's killed at least twelve people.

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Speaker 2: Justin also heard bits and pieces about a true story,

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Speaker 2: the story of the one murder his dad did get convicted.

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Speaker 1: Of killing this one guy because he was gay.

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Speaker 3: He said that, you know, to do try to touch them,

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Speaker 3: but apparently to do didn't touch them.

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Speaker 1: He just wanted to rob him for money.

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Speaker 2: Now, Justin wanted to know everything about whose dad was

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Speaker 2: and what he'd done, as long as it was finally

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Speaker 2: the truth.

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Speaker 1: If you really want to make amends, just you know,

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Speaker 1: come clean and just open open yourself to yourself.

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Speaker 2: There are some things Justin I can tell you about

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Speaker 2: this murder. Hey, Shan, I can tell you about the

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Speaker 2: evidence Kelsey and I saw at the Polk County Courthouse.

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Speaker 2: Don't touch anything, text some pictures and correct that we

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Speaker 2: saw the blood spattered shirt your dad was wearing the

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Speaker 2: day he was arrested. It's a Bud Mackenzie t shirts.

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Speaker 2: That the weapon was a bottle sparkling white grape juice.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is, okay. The confessions exist on two

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Speaker 2: black cassette tapes.

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Speaker 4: Testing Testing one two three four five five four three two.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you what's in them, and I will,

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Speaker 2: But there are other parts of the story, parts I

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Speaker 2: could never have known if your mom hadn't chosen to

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Speaker 2: share her side of things. She's the one who can

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Speaker 2: tell you about your dad's final moments of freedom because

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Speaker 2: your mom was there justin and in a way, so

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Speaker 2: were you do you?

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Speaker 4: My mans laugh to as my feet soru step sorry

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Speaker 4: in this vasish rage as fish to.

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Speaker 2: The sliding stuff.

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Speaker 4: Sold things stop.

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Speaker 2: Bone Valley Season two, Jeremy Chapter two, Destroyer.

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Speaker 5: I remember him calling and saying that him and Brian

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Speaker 5: were coming. They were going to pick me up.

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Speaker 2: Jamie thought she was done with Jeremy. He broke up

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Speaker 2: with her after finding out she was pregnant, but the

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Speaker 2: morning after Halloween, Jeremy shows up in a Chevy Bretta,

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Speaker 2: Brian's in the front seat.

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Speaker 5: I knew Brian from high school. He was always kind

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Speaker 5: of a quiet guy, one of the pie heads, you know,

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Speaker 5: always hung out with the pie heads that smoked out

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Speaker 5: under the oak tree. That when I saw him in

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Speaker 5: that car, he was he just he didn't even look

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Speaker 5: like the same person. His face was all broke out.

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Speaker 5: It was really pale. I remember getting in the back

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Speaker 2: Jamie turns to Jeremy.

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Speaker 5: Where'd you get the car, and he said, Oh, it's

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Speaker 5: Donald's car. Now, Donald, I remember him mentioning Donald before Donald,

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Speaker 5: I think was the guy that he owned trailer park

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Speaker 2: Here's what I look learning from police files and trial testimony,

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Speaker 2: Jeremy met thirty seven year old Donald moorehead that fall

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Speaker 2: at a gay bar called Fantasy two thousand. Don gives

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Speaker 2: to go. Don's friends later testified that Don was paying

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Speaker 5: Jeremy denied this, and it was weird. He said, Don

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Speaker 5: let me borrow his car, and I remember thinking, why

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Speaker 5: don't have a driver's license, you've never had one.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy circles the block a few times. From the back seat,

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Speaker 5: He had spots on his pants. He was wearing this

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Speaker 2: Jeremy tells her something really bad happened and that he

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Speaker 6: I remember her calling me, and she was upset. She

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Speaker 6: But she was telling me that she was worried about Jeremy.

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Speaker 6: Something bad had happened. Jeremy had told her he'd gotten

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Speaker 6: what happened. And they got out of there. So she's

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Speaker 6: And I remember telling her, whatever you do, if he

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Speaker 2: Later that night, Jeremy calls again. He says he wants

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Speaker 2: He's coming back to get her.

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Speaker 5: I remember going out back, smoking a cigarette and just thinking,

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Speaker 5: be sitting in the car. Well, he was already at

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Speaker 5: he had told my grandmother I'm here to pick up Jamie,

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Speaker 5: so you know, he already told her I was leaving.

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Speaker 5: So she's like, oh, okay, we'll come back your stuff.

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Speaker 2: Jamie takes another look at Jeremy. He's still wearing the

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Speaker 5: I knew I wasn't coming back, and so people would

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Speaker 5: ask me, well, why you knew he showed up at

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Speaker 5: with him. I was not telling him. No, you don't understand,

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Speaker 2: No, Jeremy and Jamie set off in Don's Chevy Barretta.

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Speaker 2: As they drive, Jeremy talks about his plan. He's got

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Speaker 2: them for a few days before hitting the road, maybe

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Speaker 2: leave Polk County for good. An hour later, they arrive

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Speaker 5: The baby was walking, so she had to have been,

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Speaker 5: you know, over a year. And I remember the baby

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Speaker 5: to eat. There was nothing, nothing. There was nothing in

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Speaker 2: Back in Lakeland, Jennifer spent the whole night worrying about

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Speaker 6: I remember getting a yeah, took a shower, my hair

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Speaker 6: on the dining room table was the newspaper, Lakelyn Ledger.

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Speaker 6: That was normal, and I went over and I grabbed it.

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Speaker 6: there's the story about someone found murdered. And the things

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Speaker 2: The headline and the Lakeland Ledger reads Neighbors and Investigators

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Speaker 2: Donald Moorehead, died from a head wound and that police

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Speaker 6: So I started freaking out, like, oh my god, he

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Speaker 6: She'd left with Jeremy. And at that point, I kind

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Speaker 2: That same morning, across Polk County, Jamie wakes up in

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Speaker 5: I was so hungry. Now, mind, I'm six months pregnant

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Speaker 5: And I grabbed them keys and Jeremy said, where are

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Speaker 5: I knew it. My gut knew when he picked me up,

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Speaker 5: I knew it. I knew something was wrong. And I

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Speaker 5: and they all had their guns pointed at me, and

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Speaker 5: I can remember hollering out the window, I'm pregnant. Please

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Speaker 5: I'm just balling and balling, and they're like, where's where's Scott,

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Speaker 5: And I remember this one cop and he came in.

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Speaker 2: That they were drinking and smoking in Don's trailer. Jeremy

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Speaker 2: When Don doesn't die fast enough, Jeremy wraps a telephone

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Speaker 2: From the tapes, it's clear the murder, like so many

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Speaker 2: So Jeremy gave up looking for the cash and left

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Speaker 2: Don That's when Jeremy drives over to Jamie's with blood

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Speaker 2: Jeremy finally tells Royal Dean what he did to Donald moorehead.

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Speaker 2: They're after me, not you, he says. Watching the scene

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Speaker 2: Jamie had nothing to do with this murder, and he

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Speaker 2: What I know from police records is that Jeremy walks

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Speaker 2: for me? He asks? His voice is calm, almost resigned

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Speaker 2: to his fate. He's been behind bars ever since. Somebody

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Speaker 5: What.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I gotta take my own life right to kill

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Speaker 5: That's the only girl I ever really loved.

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Speaker 2: And she was pregnant with Justin at the time.

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Speaker 2: On March fifth, nineteen eighty nine, well, Jeremy is locked

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Speaker 5: I was petrified. You know, you see movies about evil children,

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Speaker 5: I can't touch him. And I can remember him just

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Speaker 2: By the time Jeremy's trial began, his son was six

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Speaker 2: Both Jeremy and his co defendant Brian Hall had already

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Speaker 2: Jeremy was shipped off to death Row at Rayford to

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Speaker 5: He would write, I mean, at first, it was like

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Speaker 5: But he kept asking about Jestin, and he wanted to

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Speaker 5: I let him see him through. It was like five minutes.

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Speaker 5: I remember him starting crying, and I told him, this

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Speaker 2: But then she also has this little baby, and as

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Speaker 5: From the day he was born, he looked just like Jeremy,

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Speaker 5: He's got the blonde hair, so he would look like

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Speaker 2: But she doesn't talk about it, doesn't share the hurt

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Speaker 2: I promise I fly down to Florida to visit Justin

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Speaker 2: thing that stands out about Justin is his nature. He's

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Speaker 1: for a mother too, like I wanted a happy mother

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Speaker 1: type thing.

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00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: There were years when Jamie couldn't care for her son.

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00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: Justin spent time living with his grandmother and then an aunt,

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Speaker 2: while his mom fought to push away her painful past.

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Speaker 5: I never talked to anybody about any of this. I

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00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: bottled all that up and put it away. Well, the

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Speaker 5: way to keep it put it away was to do

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Speaker 5: drugs and to drink and get into these bad relationships.

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00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: And it was just recycling and recycling.

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Speaker 2: Even as she tried to avoid talking about Jeremy at

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00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: all costs, he had a way of resurfacing in her life.

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00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: Like how in two thousand and five, Jamie got an

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Speaker 2: unexpected knock on her door.

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Speaker 5: When those detectives showed up, it was like somebody he

452
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: just took a bandage and just tore it off and

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00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: everything just came out. They just said, we need to

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Speaker 5: talk to you about Jeremy Scott.

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Speaker 2: Investigators had just learned that Jeremy Scott's fingerprints were identified

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Speaker 2: inside the car Michelle Schofield was driving the night she

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Speaker 2: was killed.

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Speaker 5: And as soon as they said that I hit the

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Speaker 5: floor and I just started crying, and I said, how

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Speaker 5: did he get out? Because that's been my biggest fear,

461
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 5: is he's going to get out. He's going to find

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Speaker 5: me and he's going to kill me. And they were like,

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00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 5: oh no, no, no, he didn't get out. We just

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Speaker 5: need to talk to you. And for him to still

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Speaker 5: have that hold on me. Sixteen years later, I thought

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Speaker 5: I was over that. I don't even remember most of

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Speaker 5: that interview. I'm going to be real with you, I

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00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 5: don't remember a lot of it. And when I left

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00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: that interview, and I'm just gonna be honest, I went

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Speaker 5: on a three week binger and pretty much disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Justin learned not to ask too many questions about his dad.

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Speaker 1: The only time that anything was mentioned it was either

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Speaker 1: when I was in argument, you don't need to be

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Speaker 1: like your father, you don't blah blah blah blah blah.

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00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: Anytime they ever talked about him is you're not liking

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Speaker 1: him type thing. So I wonder how much of my

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00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: life I followed in his footsteps, because if you keep

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00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: telling someone they're not something, they end up being something

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Speaker 1: like I got to make sure not to do that

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Speaker 1: with my kids.

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Speaker 2: What was it like when you found out you were

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Speaker 2: going to be a father?

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Speaker 1: I was scared, I was, I was, well, I'm still scared.

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00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: It was just more or less me being scared about

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00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: anger issues.

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Speaker 2: Justin doesn't have a criminal record. He's never gotten into

487
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: the kind of trouble Jeremy, did.

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Speaker 1: You know if I'm going to be like my dad?

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00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Which I'm not, because I don't even know what my

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00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: dad would be like in a dad role.

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00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: The first time Justin heard his dad's voice, he heard

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Speaker 2: him confessing to a murder.

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Speaker 7: Because I have to live with this every day.

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Speaker 1: Can you describe that?

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00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: What does it like to live with them?

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 7: That's not a good feeling this way? Just put it away.

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00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 7: I dreamed, I wake up. I turned over. I said,

498
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 7: I said, a dead body, say next to me. I

499
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 7: see with dead bodies every night when I go to bed.

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Speaker 7: That's punishment.

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00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: Because I was expecting. I was expecting someone cold. I

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: was expecting like a like someone that really don't care.

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00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: And then I heard someone genuinely crying, and so I'm like,

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00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: all right, So it makes sense. His name is finally

505
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: caught up to him. He was forced to break and

506
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: he didn't know how to handle that.

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00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Jeremy can never set things truly right. He can't bring

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00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: back the dead or erase the ripples of pain he's

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00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: caused for so many. But he can set the record straight,

510
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: which he hopes, and Justin hopes, and I hope will

511
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: one day help to exonerate Leo Schofield, whose conviction for

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00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: the murder of his wife still stands today. Justin wants

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00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 2: to support his dad through this struggle. He wants him

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00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: to be honest about his past.

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00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: My dad was a destroyer. I'm a healer type thing,

516
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: so in the beginning is the heal what my dad

517
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: had broke. And I feel like if I do that,

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Speaker 1: then I could unlock the power of healing.

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00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 5: That's how my mind frame works.

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00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: Justin tells me he wants to talk talk to his dad.

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00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: I want to be able to talk to my dad

522
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: because I can't even know how to take the steps

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Speaker 1: to talk to him.

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00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 5: I'm not scared.

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00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: He wonders if this will help him be a better

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00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: father to his own son, so he can somedays show

527
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: him that even broken pieces can be put back together

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00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: in their own way.

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Speaker 5: I know that is anything I have to help my dad.

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00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 5: How can I be a father to my son. If

531
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: I can't even stand up to my own I.

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00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: Tell Justin I'll try to help him. We can definitely

533
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: help you with this. We have, We've been corresponding with him.

534
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you right now, but deep down I

535
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: was unsettled. Connecting Justin with his father means bringing him

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00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: into the chaos of Jeremy's life. I knew what that

537
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: was like. But Justin is his son. How would he

538
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: respond to getting a letter like this one? Mister King,

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00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: I have no hard feelings towards you or to society.

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00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: I'll make this short. This will be my last time

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: writing to you. They are going to lock me away

542
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: for a long time. The monster in me is coming

543
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: alive one last time. Hope everything works out for you. Goodbye,

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00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 2: that's next time. Own Valley is a production of Lava

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Speaker 2: for Good Podcasts and association with Signal Company Number One.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Jason Flamm, Jeff Kempler, and Kevin Wortis.

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Speaker 2: Biel are our producers. Britz Spangler is our sound designer.

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Speaker 2: Marianne McCune is our editor, fact checking by Danielle Suleman.

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Speaker 2: manager is Sarah Gibbons, and our art director is Andrew Nelson.

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Speaker 2: James Johnson. Own Valley is written and produced by me

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