1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: And the FBI came here. All the questions were about Joe, Joe, 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Jo Joe, Jojo, Jo Joe. They were nicest could be. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: And I know they worked hard on this case, but 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: it was like for four hours they drove me about 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Joe and didn't ask me one question about rich nothing. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: And I remember saying, like you're gonna ask me anything 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: about who she was with. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm Andre Gunning and this is there and Gone South 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: Street episode five. It's usually the husband. 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: All I know is I say you in that dream, 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: reached out in the dog. 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 4: For you, and. 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 5: Last to me, I'll never give up, no matter. 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: How I opened my eyes define Just a note, the 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: of the individuals participating. This podcast also contains subject matter 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 2: which may not be suitable for everyone. Discretion as advised. 18 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: Danielle Imbo owned a condo in Mount Laurel, New Jersey, 19 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: where she lived with her infant son. Just after Danielle 20 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: went missing, her estranged husband, Joe, moved back into that 21 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: condo to take care of their son. For Joe, it 22 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: was sort of a homecoming. About a year earlier, Joe 23 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: had an affair and moved out as he and Danielle 24 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 2: were headed toward a divorce. Joe relocated out of state 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: to be with the woman he met at the Super Bowl. 26 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: He later returned to the area and tried to win 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: Danielle back. On the night Danielle and her friend Richard 28 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: Patrone disappeared, Joe was watching their twenty month old son. 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 6: The big thing I remembered was that our husband, Joe 30 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 6: had a huge target on him. 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: That's journalist Steve Vulk, he covered the story for Philadelphia Magazine. 32 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 6: The Mount Laurel Police they looked at him, and they 33 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 6: looked at him hard. 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Very early in their investigation, Mount Laurel detectives questioned Joe. 35 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: At the time, Joe told the Philadelphia Daily News he 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: had quote nothing to hide, end quote, And Joe wasn't 37 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: the only vocal advocate for his innocence at the time. 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: Danielle's brother John and Tobray didn't publicly blame anyone, but 39 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, John told the Philadelphia Daily 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: News he didn't think Joe was responsible for Danielle and 41 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: Richard's disappearance. He added that the animosity between his family 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: and the Patrons was a quote waste of energy end quote. Instead, 43 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: John said he planned to keep an open mind, and 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: so did his mother, Felice at John's requests. We did 45 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: not see speak with Felise for this podcast, but Marge 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: remembers Felice's feelings on her son in law. 47 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 7: Felice didn't want to believe it. Oh, he would never 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 7: do that. 49 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: He would. 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 7: I just remember fully saying the oddest thing like, oh, 51 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 7: but he was so extremely handsome. I went extremely handsome, 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 7: still got to do with anything. 53 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: For Marge, she believed it was an open and shutcase 54 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: against Joe. Joe and Danielle's marriage was nearing its end. 55 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: Danielle had moved on and was dating Marge's son, Richard, 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: and that's why Joe had allegedly threatened him. But for 57 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: John and Felice, it wasn't just a hope and a 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: prayer that Joe Imbo wasn't responsible for this. Joe had 59 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: an alibi. FBI agent Fido Rosselli walked me through what 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: he learned about Joe's whereabouts. On February nineteenth, two thousand 61 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: and five. 62 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: Law enforcement found out where Joe Imbo was and they 63 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: were able to determine that Joe Imbo was not in 64 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: Philadelphia on the evening of Fibruary nineteenth. He was at 65 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: a family birthday party out in Tom's River. 66 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: Tom's River is about an hour from Danielle's condo in 67 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: New Jersey, and that's where Joe and his son were 68 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: that Saturday night. The same night Danielle and Richard vanished 69 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: off South Street. 70 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: His mom and stepdad and some other family members had 71 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 4: a birthday party for the stepsister's kid. 72 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: Joe told police he and little Joe stayed over night 73 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: in Tom's River Saturday into Sunday. 74 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: We confirmed his alibi. Joe Imbo on that weekend was 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: out of town. Joe was at a house with the 76 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: ex NYPD and the current detective. 77 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: Vido said. Joe's father in law, a retired NYPD cop, 78 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: and Joe's stepbrother in law, a New Jersey detective, both 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: vouched for Joe's alibi. So on the night Danielle vanished, 80 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: Joe was out of town, staying with family, some who 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: happened to be in law enforcement. But while Joe Joe 82 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: was at this birthday party in Toms River, we came 83 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: across some information that Joe may have been keeping tabs 84 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: on Danielle that night, But how was Joe doing that? 85 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: Let me walk you through what happened that night. Danielle 86 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: asked Christine Patron to drive her to a bar in 87 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: cel Philly where Richard, Christine's brother, was finishing dinner. 88 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 8: I dropped her and I said, let me know he's 89 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 8: in there, like wave out the door because I'm like 90 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 8: leaving her at a corner bar. I waited, she went in, 91 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 8: and then she came out and waved. 92 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 7: I was like, all right, and I left. 93 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: Christine said she drove to Champs, which was a sports bar, 94 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: to meet her coworkers, and when she got there, Christine 95 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: called Danielle to let her know she arrived there safely. 96 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 8: And her voicemail came on and I said, I'm here. 97 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 8: I'm that cham so I'm fine, have fun, blah blah blah. 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: And then Christine's phone started ringing. It was Danielle. 99 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 8: She called me back and I answered, and I'm like, oh, 100 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 8: I just wanted to tell you I'm here. 101 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Danielle and Christine talked for a minute, and then Richard 102 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: grabbed the phone and inserted himself into the conversation. He 103 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: tried to convince Christine to come back to Philly to 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: join them at Abilene's. 105 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 8: We're on our way to Sales Street. That's how I 106 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 8: knew where they were. And then he got on the phone, 107 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 8: come back, We're going to meet Anthony or who I knew, 108 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 8: and I said, I'm in Jersey. I've worked tomorrow. So 109 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 8: then we hung up. That was the last I ever 110 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 8: talked either of them. But backstory, Joe Imbo got that 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 8: voicemail that I left her. 112 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. Christine said she completely forgot 113 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: about that voicemail she had left for Danielle until weeks 114 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: later when she sat down with the police. 115 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 8: In one of the interviews, I was mentioning where I was, 116 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 8: and one of the cops were like, oh, we know 117 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 8: you were at chance Joe heard your voicemail, and I'm 118 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 8: like what he was like, Yeah, he admitted to us 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 8: that he heard your voicemail. 120 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: If you were wondering how Joe heard that voicemail, you 121 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: have to remember this was before smartphones when you could 122 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: dial into your voicemail from anywhere, provided you had the password. 123 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 8: So that was a big sticking point with me because 124 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 8: I thought, well, now you know she's not with me. 125 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: It was a sticking point for Christine because for her, 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: it was a clear sign that Joe knew Danielle's whereabouts 127 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: the night Danielle and Richard disappeared. 128 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 8: I was like, well, he was listening to her voicemails. 129 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: I imagine if you're Joe Embo and the police are 130 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: showing you calls from your phone to your wife's voicemail, 131 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: the only thing to do is to come clean, and 132 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: that's what Joe did. In twenty fourteen, he admitted to 133 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: Philadelphia Magazine that yes, he did listen to Danielle's voicemail. 134 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: He was quote just being jealous. 135 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 8: He said, I don't know how long he was listening 136 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 8: to her voicemails, but obviously he was. 137 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: Christine believes the fact that Joe heard her voicemail to 138 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: Danielle was a signal to Joe that Danielle was now 139 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: alone and potentially heading home. 140 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 8: No matter what he thought was going on, I think 141 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 8: he knew at some point she would go home. 142 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: We asked Fido about the voicemails. 143 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: We spent a lot of time running down different allegations 144 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: from individuals. One was that Joe was calling into her 145 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: voicemail seeing who was calling his estranged wife. Obviously, we 146 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: investigated that and that's consistent with what we learned. 147 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: It's important to note Vito said there's no proof that 148 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: Joe acted on Christine's voicemail. Regardless, Christine believes whatever terrible 149 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: thing happened to her brother and Danielle went down at 150 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: Danielle's condo. 151 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 8: I think somebody was waiting at her house. 152 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: All right, So. 153 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: We're just pulling into Danielle's. 154 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: Condo complex. 155 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 9: Now. 156 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: My colleague Ben and I drove to the neighborhood where 157 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: Danielle Imbo lived back in two thousand and five. 158 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 10: It's almost like a small community. 159 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of gives like a lake. 160 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 10: Vib mountain lake vibe. Yeah, in the middle of Jersey. 161 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: Danielle's two bedroom to bath condo in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. 162 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: It's about twenty miles from downtown Philly, but it seems 163 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: so much further away from the city. 164 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 9: I mean, this is a very large condo complex, like 165 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 9: tucked away. It's quiet, and I mean there are a 166 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 9: lot of cars. 167 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: We parked just in front of Danielle's condo building where 168 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: Danielle lived with her infant son. Her building was one 169 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: of five different identical structures that enclosed the parking lot 170 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: we sat in. The three story brick building took up 171 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: half the block. It was surrounded by trees in a 172 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: quaint walkway that connected the complexes. Each unit had a balcony, 173 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: and I counted about twenty of them, meaning there were 174 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: twenty different condos in her building. 175 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 4: I mean, just quick math, you probably have one hundred 176 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: possible eyes ears. 177 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of eyeballs. I could almost 178 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: envision Danielle with her black hair cigarette in hand, standing 179 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: on her balcony. 180 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 10: But just to think that. 181 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 9: Your neighbor from here Bo's missing is a pretty crazy 182 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 9: thing to think about. 183 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if whatever happened to Danielle and Richard 184 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: happened here, but if it did, it's hard to imagine 185 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: it would go unnoticed. 186 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 11: There's a strong possibility that a neighbor would have seen something. 187 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: Mount Laurel is a small suburb tucked in the western 188 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 2: edge of Burlington County, New Jersey. Today, about forty five 189 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: thousand people call it home. Back in two thousand and five, 190 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: its population was slightly less. All to say, Mount Laurel 191 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: is small, and when one of its residents went missing, 192 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: it was a very big deal, and law enforcement found 193 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: itself dealing with the scenario they didn't see every day. 194 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: My team reached out to many of the original detectives 195 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: who worked the case. We learned most of them are 196 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: now retired. That being said, all of our outreach resulted 197 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: in one of two things. They either didn't return our 198 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: messages or simply did not want to talk to us period. 199 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: Since this case is still unsolved, I suppose it's understandable. Frustrating, 200 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: but understandable. We never heard back from the Mount Laurel 201 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: Police Department and South Detectives in Phille simply deferred comment 202 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: to the FBI. That led me back to Special Agent 203 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: Pudo Rosselli. 204 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 4: When I was first assigned to this case, I had 205 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: to get with each one of those agencies and find 206 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 4: out what they knew. 207 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: Budo said. The FBI was the last agency to join 208 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: the investigation. The FBI was called in to assist about 209 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: three weeks after Richard and Danielle disappeared. 210 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: Everybody shared information, but there was an overabundance of information. 211 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: There's an overabundance of leads, So my initial thought was 212 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: trying to ferret through what would be the most likely 213 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: scenario and what had the most promising leads. 214 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: And it wasn't easy. There may have been plenty of 215 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: information and leads, but there was no evidence. 216 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: This investigation had no bodies, no truck, no evidence, and 217 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 4: so of course we focused on the most logical and 218 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: simplest explanation, which would be the estranged husband. 219 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: So let's talk about Joe Mbo. When Danielle disappeared in 220 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and five, Joe was thirty three years old, 221 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: a year younger than Danielle. He was raised in upstate 222 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: New York, and just like Danielle and Richard, he also 223 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: came from a big Italian family. 224 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: He had a couple of biological sisters and a stepsister. 225 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: Similar to Danielle, Joe lost his father at a young age. 226 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: He was just fourteen years old when his dad, Joseph Senior, 227 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,359 Speaker 2: passed away. Joe's mom later remarried. 228 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 4: Joe was very close with his mom and did not 229 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: have a bad relationship with his stepdad, who was an 230 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: ex NYPD police officer. 231 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: After high school, Joe moved west. He settled in San Diego. 232 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: That's where he lived for a few years before returning 233 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: to the Northeast. Joe was in New Jersey when his 234 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: car broke down near the dealership where Danielle worked. The 235 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: two started dating and got married in two thousand and one. 236 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: Joe admitted that he was not a great husband. In 237 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, he told Philadelphia Magazine did he quote fucked 238 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: up when he cheated on Danielle. 239 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: I know that Joe stepped out on his wife and 240 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 4: the mother of his newborn child, and then we did 241 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 4: leave town for a period of time. I can't get 242 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 4: into the specifics about where he went, what we knew, 243 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: what we found out, but he did return about a 244 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: month before Richard and Danielle's disappearance. 245 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to put together a timeline here. Joe cheated 246 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: on Danielle in February two thousand and four. He moved 247 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: out the following month and left the state, and according 248 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: to Vito, Joe returned to New Jersey sometime in January 249 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: two thousand and five. That was when Joe was trying 250 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: to win Danielle back. 251 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: There was a lot of pressure, and there was a 252 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: lot of back and forth, and there was a lot 253 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 4: of people offering up a lot of opinions on the relationship. 254 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: Vito didn't elaborate on those opinions, but I could tell 255 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: he was choosing his words careful. 256 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go as far as to say that their 257 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: relationship was not good. There were periods where Danielle is 258 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: trying to make it work out for their infant son, 259 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 4: and there were also arguments back and forth between Richard 260 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: and Joe. They'd never meet face to face, but yeah, 261 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 4: they didn't know of each other and they were in 262 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: their actions. 263 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: As we already told you, Joe had an airtight alibi 264 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: the night Danielle and Richard vanished and law enforcement had 265 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: this to contend with. 266 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: Joe did not have a criminal record. 267 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: But that didn't stop authorities from looking into him. In 268 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: two thousand and five, the Mount Laurel Police Department brought 269 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: Joe in for questioning. Here's journalist Steve Volk. 270 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 6: Joe had a polygraph and John went with him. 271 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: John, as in Danielle's brother John. 272 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 6: He went because there's a relationship that's forming with the police. Here, 273 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 6: there's Joe who's going to continue to be a little 274 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 6: Joe's dad, and he wanted to be close to the result. 275 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: We called John to ask him about that day, including 276 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: why he decided to go in the first place. 277 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: It was so early on in the investigation and in 278 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: their disappearance that Joe was living in their condo. 279 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: With the baby. 280 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: And when they asked him, he asked me, He said, 281 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: will you go with me? I said sure. It was 282 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: important for me to know if Joe was involved or 283 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: not involved. One of the reasons was the safety of 284 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: my nephew. 285 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: But John said the police didn't allow him to be 286 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: in the room for the polygraph. 287 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: It's not like I was back there in the room 288 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: sitting next to the detective while they were asking him questions, 289 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: and it's not like the detectives. After they dismissed Joe said, Okay, John, 290 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: this is what we found to be true and not true. 291 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: We drove home and I didn't ask him what they 292 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: asked him. I figured he would volunteer that information. It's 293 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: still us sorry, And he didn't really say much or 294 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: volunteer much information that I didn't ask many questions. 295 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, Joe told the Philadelphia Daily 296 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: News he passed his polygraph, and we asked Pudo to confirm. 297 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: That you learned that Joe Imbo was polygraphed. But I 298 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: cannot get into the results of the polygraph, whether he 299 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: passed or failed. 300 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: But here's what's interesting. The investigation into Joe Embo didn't 301 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: stop there. Instead, it went one giant step further into 302 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: the courtroom. Sometime around two thousand and nine, a grand 303 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: jury was convened to look into bringing charges against Joe. 304 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: The problem for us is that grand jury proceedings are 305 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: secret there sealed. In twenty fourteen, Joe confirmed a Philadelphia 306 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: magazine that a bunch of people who were close to 307 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: him were interviewed as part of that legal proceeding, but 308 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 2: the grand jury took no action, and since no formal 309 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 2: indictment was handed down, those grand jury records remain a secret. Today. 310 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 11: I think every body focused on Joe one hundred percent 311 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 11: of the time in the very. 312 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: Beginning, Danielle's brother John, I mean, look. 313 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 11: At everything they're going through, a nasty divorce, a custody battle, 314 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 11: and I have to pay child support. And Joe MBO 315 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 11: just so happens to be out of town that weekend 316 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 11: with the baby at a party and all the people 317 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 11: in the party were local police officers, and you know, 318 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 11: the perfect alibi if someone told me that, and I 319 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 11: didn't have any skin in the game, I'd be like guilty. 320 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 11: If I was an outsider looking in, I'd be like, 321 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 11: how are you not locking this guy up right now? 322 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 11: But when you're in it and you're living it, you 323 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 11: look at things differently. It's just not in him. It's 324 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 11: just listened. He's a lot of things, but he's not. 325 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 11: I just don't believe he's a murderer. I just don't. 326 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: No matter what anyone thinks about his guilt or innocence, 327 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: Joe has never been charged. So why did this cloud 328 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: of suspicion continue to hang over him? The answer might 329 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: have to do with what the FBI said In two 330 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: thousand and eight, They revealed that Danielle and Richard might 331 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: have been victims of a murder for higher plot. Publicly, 332 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: the FBI didn't say much about their investigation for years, 333 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: but they did reveal something during a two thousand and 334 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: eight press conference. They said because the crime was so clean, 335 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: meaning Danielle and Richard's bodies and Richard's truck never turned up, 336 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: the FBI ruled out kidnapping and said they also didn't 337 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: believe it was a random act of violence. Instead, the 338 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: FBI said leads and tips led them to believe Danielle 339 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: and Richard might have been victims of a murder. For 340 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: higher plot, this just didn't happen. 341 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: We feel that this was an orchestrated act. 342 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 12: Again, three thousand pounds struck and two people do not 343 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 12: simply go missing. 344 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: For the first time, the FBI said the case was 345 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: being looked at as a possible double murder. They also 346 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: believed this scheme was orchestrated by more than one person. 347 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 13: Investigators now say it was not an accident and no 348 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 13: crime of opportunity. They say Patron and Imbo were the 349 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 13: victims of a professional hit job at the hands of 350 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 13: war than one person. 351 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: The FBI said they were actively and aggressively pursuing leads, 352 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: but they provided few other specifics except this. 353 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 14: No one has been ruled out as a suspect at 354 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 14: this time. 355 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: I asked FIDO about the FBI's murder for Higher theory. 356 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: To set the stage. Of February nineteenth, two thousand and five, 357 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 4: Danielle had plans to go out with her mom and 358 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: Richard's sister and have a night out in Philadelphia. Rich 359 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: did reach out to Danielle aster to meet him. She 360 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 4: didn't commit off the bat, but later on agreed to 361 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 4: meet him. They went to Abiling's around nine pm and 362 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: had a good time for a couple hours. They left 363 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: between eleven thirty and eleven forty five, and that was 364 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 4: the last time they were reportedly seen walking out of 365 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 4: Abilene's on disastery. So the common sense is, well, this 366 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: wasn't a concerted effort targeting both of them because nobody 367 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 4: really knew that they were going out that night except 368 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 4: for you know, Richard's sister and a couple of other folks. 369 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: Because so few people knew Danielle and Richard would be 370 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: together that night, the FBI theorized they both weren't the target. 371 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 4: If in fact it was a targeted act of violence, 372 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 4: it was most likely targeted against one person, either Danielle 373 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: or Richard, and the other one was in the wrong 374 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: place at the wrong time. 375 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: There are two things I want to underscore here. The 376 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: first is that the FBI said Danielle and Richard might 377 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: have been victims of a murder for higher plot, there 378 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: was never a confirmation that that is what happened. The 379 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: second is that the murder for higher news did not 380 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: surprise the families of either victims. 381 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 11: Listen, we all know it's not a random act of violence. 382 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: Danielle's brother John, it has to. 383 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 11: Be something in Danielle's background, something in Richard's background, or 384 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 11: Joe Mbo. 385 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: Something in Danielle's background, Richard's background or Joe Imbo. Those 386 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: words John told me actually got him in trouble. Back 387 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, Marge. 388 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 11: And myself we were interviewed in this magazine, and I 389 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 11: always asked who I felt was responsible, and I flat 390 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 11: outsid it could be Joe, it could be Richard, it 391 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 11: could be the man on the moon. I don't know 392 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 11: who's responsible. 393 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: If you think about it, It's common practice for the 394 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: police to look into the backgrounds of both victims. But 395 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: the fact that John said it out loud to a 396 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: reporter did not sit well with Marge. 397 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 14: They tried a way possible to say things and rumors 398 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 14: that it could have been Richard. 399 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 11: Marge read the article and she called my mother, screaming 400 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 11: an honor, saying that I'm portraying her son as the 401 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 11: monster and a bad guy. How dare I do that? 402 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 7: I said, so, you're protecting Joe. I don't get it. 403 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 7: What are you protecting him for? 404 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 11: Logically is a joke? I mean it could be, But 405 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 11: do we know anything about this guy that she was 406 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 11: out with. We really know anything about him other than 407 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 11: the fact that it's Marge and Richardson? Who were his friends? 408 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 11: Who's he hanging out with? Does he do drugs? Does 409 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 11: he owe money to anybody? Does he damble? What do 410 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 11: you know? So is it responsible for us to rule 411 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 11: him out? 412 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 2: Really? 413 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 11: Is it really responsible to rule him out? 414 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 14: Yet? I said I didn't race Houdini. 415 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 7: I don't know. 416 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 14: Hollie could have made them both disappear in his truck 417 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 14: for what reason? 418 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 7: They wanted to get married to her? 419 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 14: I mean he wasn't It was this, they went on 420 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 14: a date and no, No, he's. 421 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 11: Your son, and in your eyes he's innocent, But in 422 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 11: my eyes, he's just some guy. My sister was with him. 423 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 14: Nothing his background would have ever led to that. No 424 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 14: one was looking to kill Richard. 425 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: No one. 426 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 11: Listen. You're standing on a soapbox telling everybody it was 427 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 11: Danielle's husband. You're basically blaming my sister for your son's 428 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 11: death because of the guy she married. Right so forth, 429 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 11: if my Richard wasn't out with Danielle, he would still 430 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 11: be alive. You have every right to think that that's 431 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 11: your son. You have every right to think that, and 432 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 11: I have every right to think that maybe your son 433 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 11: could be involved too, because I don't know. He's just 434 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 11: as responsible as anybody else. 435 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, believe me. 436 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 14: It is so far beyond my imagination that they could 437 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 14: have even thought that Richard would have been anyway at 438 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 14: all involved in what happened, because it was definitely murder 439 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 14: for hire for Danielle. 440 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 7: Not for Richard. 441 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 11: The only thing I can say for certain is that 442 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 11: she was I know my sister didn't have anything that 443 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 11: she did, like a business decision or a shady backdoor 444 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 11: deal or in the mortgage business, that caused this to happen. 445 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: John and his wife Jody are certain nothing in Danielle's 446 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: background was to blame for what happened to her, and 447 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: in the initial days of the investigation, they felt law 448 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: enforcement had a singular focus. 449 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: When the FBI came here, all the questions were about Joe, Joe, Jojoe, 450 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Jojo Jojoe, and I remember saying, like, are you going 451 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: to ask me anything about who she was with? 452 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: Okay, I will say that Jody makes a good point. 453 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: Like the FBI, we also have devoted a lot of 454 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: time to Joe imbo, but hearing Jody question Richard's background, 455 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: it was kind of hard to hear. But it is 456 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: my job to explore everything to me. 457 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: I find it very odd that she broke it off 458 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: with him. They don't see each other for three and 459 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: a half weeks, and she was out with Christine and 460 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Marge and Felice, and out of the blue, rich calls 461 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: her and says, let's meet up for a drink. A 462 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: band's playing, and I'm here with my friend and she 463 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: went and she's never seen again, while Joe is at 464 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: a family party with fifty witnesses. It just didn't make 465 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: sense to me, and I kept saying, do you think 466 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: you're concentrating too much on Joe and you're missing something? 467 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: I mean, for four hours, they drove me about Joe 468 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: and didn't ask me one question about rich I felt 469 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: like they weren't going in that direction. 470 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: Law enforcement may not have asked about Richard, but others did. 471 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,239 Speaker 2: I learned from Richard's friend Frank that back in two 472 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: thousand and five, there was a website set up by 473 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: Danielle and Richard's families. It was intended to get leads 474 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: and tips. About what happened. But things quickly fell off 475 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: the rails. 476 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 10: You couldn't even go on that web because you start 477 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 10: reading things and get crazy, you know what I mean. 478 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: Frank said that the website quickly became an outlet for 479 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: rumors and innuendo, mostly involving Richard. 480 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 10: They started blaming Rick, saying, oh, you know, look company 481 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 10: Joe or Danielle, how did do something in Richard's past 482 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 10: or something like that, saying his past quote up with him. 483 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 10: Blah blah blah. She was just at the wrong place 484 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 10: at the wrong time. 485 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: One such rumor accused Richard of being a drug. 486 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 10: Dealer, like the party a little bit. Yeah, he wasn't 487 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 10: a drug dealer. 488 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: I asked Richard's friend Anthony Valentino, if Richard was into drugs. 489 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 5: I mean, we all did a little bit of something 490 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 5: here and there. Somebody could get a bag weed one day, 491 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 5: someone could get a bag weed the other day. It 492 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 5: wasn't like we were like scarface or anything like that. 493 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: Richard's ex girlfriend Julie confirmed. 494 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 12: That he smoked pott. I don't really think that anybody's 495 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 12: going to make somebody disappear for marijuana. 496 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: Most states have sinceed ease laws on marijuana. But back 497 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 2: then pott was illegal, and so was gambling, at least 498 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: outside of a casino, which is another rumor you've heard 499 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: about Richard. In twenty fourteen, Marge told The Courier Post 500 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: that Richard despised gambling, but his ex girlfriend Julie told 501 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: us Richard sometimes bet on football. 502 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 12: Yeah, he did like to gamble. I was aware of it. 503 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 12: But if it was that he owed money to somebody, 504 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 12: he could have went to his father, you know, if 505 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 12: he'd the interne of money. 506 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 2: Again, this was long before gambling was legalized. 507 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 10: We all watched to gamble on the weekend. 508 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 15: So we said get to someday inquired and get the 509 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 15: sports section with all the helmets back then and pick 510 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 15: the games. 511 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: Frank said, the Richard he knew lived paycheck to paycheck. 512 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 10: He wasn't a day gamber because he didn't like to 513 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 10: lose money. 514 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 14: He was cheap. 515 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 10: He was cheap paid the samebody. 516 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 14: He was cheap. 517 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 10: He wasn't one had gotten buy all nice clothes and 518 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 10: nice cars and stuff like that. Now, wasn't He wasn't 519 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 10: like that. 520 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 12: Even if it was that Richard owed money for gambling, 521 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 12: why would they do something to Danielle. The people that 522 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 12: deal with that kind of stuff don't harm women. 523 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 4: You know. 524 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: One rumor upset Frank the most. It alleged that Richard 525 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: was so upset about Danielle not wanting to be with 526 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: him that he flew into a jealous rage and killed Danielle. 527 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 15: That PIB was the biggest thing when I heard that 528 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 15: that you did out of the jealous rage and stuff 529 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 15: like that. 530 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 10: And there's no way he was like that. He just 531 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 10: was not that tight. 532 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: Frank and Julie were close with Richard. I would expect 533 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: them to defend him. That's why I also asked Fido 534 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: if the FBI looked into these rumors. 535 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: There are allegations of Richard being a big time bookie 536 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 4: and a big time drug dealer. He was not Pablo Escobar, 537 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 4: not by a long shot. He was not John Gottie 538 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 4: running a lone shark and gambling operation that panned out 539 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 4: to be a bunch of bs. I found nothing that 540 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 4: would indicate it was anything in Richard's backgrounds that would 541 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 4: have led to this, And the same thing with Danielle. 542 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 4: Nothing in her backgrounds would indicate anything that would lead 543 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 4: to something like this. 544 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: If Youdo didn't find anything in Danielle or Richard's background. 545 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: That again left us with Joe Imbo. 546 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: We did some digging into his family to see if 547 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 4: we could uncover anything, and it would be inappropriate for 548 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 4: me to comment on the content of those conversations. 549 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: This has to be so frustrating for both of the victims' 550 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: families and even for Joe, because they've never put cuffs 551 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: on Joe, haven't ruled him a suspect, and yet they 552 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: haven't cleared him either. So where does that leave us? 553 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: Who could have pulled this off and why? Well, when 554 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: you start asking people about this case, there's no shortage 555 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: of theories, rumors, and opinions about what happened and who 556 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: might be responsible. 557 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 16: I've covered somewhere between three thousand and five thousand homicides 558 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 16: in his city over the course of my career, and 559 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 16: there was a rumor that the car was taken one 560 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 16: place and the bodies were taken somewhere else, that the 561 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 16: car must have been destroyed, that it must have been 562 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 16: crushed at a junkyard. 563 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: That's next time on there and gone South Street. 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