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Speaker 1: show who you've heard mentioned plenty of times, multiple times,

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Speaker 1: Frank joined us today. Human he is in the flesh,

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Speaker 1: Skip the light, fantastic, trip the light fantastic. Exactly, fantastic

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Speaker 1: fantastic toe. How about flip it? Let's flip that light? Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: the whole new word, flip the light, Flip the light,

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Speaker 1: clip the light, fantastic, nip the light. We can go

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Speaker 1: I am impressed, Thank you, as uh. I've really had

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Speaker 1: who who's next? Who will trip the light? Fantastic of idioms?

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Speaker 1: that as a nice kind of compound? Idiom um mine

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Speaker 1: the game we're playing here. How funny would it be

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00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: if I just was like, oh wait, I was supposed

422
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: to do homework. No, I just was sitting here drinking

423
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: coconut water. What do I have here? Cucumber was a

424
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: cucumber montane sparkling water made right here in the heart

425
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: of Atlanta, Georgia. Is it Is it true that if

426
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: we say the company name of the product two more

427
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: times they'll send us a case of it? We we

428
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: already have cases. But oh you take some with you?

429
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: Take some with you, you guys, to take away from

430
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: the fun of getting free things. But okay, do you

431
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: want us to like making a scavenger hunt or like

432
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: make it more fun? Okay, Well, we'll give you a

433
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: series of clues into the episode. Um, do I seem

434
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: a little off to the right. I'm a little I

435
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: drank a lot last night. Well you know, I'm not

436
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: a hangover doctor or whatever. But you seem fine. What

437
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: do you think, guys? Does he seem all right? You

438
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: look great? Yeah, looks you're absolutely glowing. Okay, Well, good

439
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: that that shower helped. Uh. Well. The reason I ask

440
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: is because you know, we've all knocked back a few

441
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: and our local watering hole and woke up feeling rather ripe,

442
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: which is called the local, which is called we might

443
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: as well say, yeah, it's it's it really, it's on

444
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: the nose. Yeah, you can be pretty gnarly if you

445
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: drink too much, which brings up my first idiom here

446
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: the time honored colloquialism hair of the dog, which is

447
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: a yess, which is a short for, of course, hair

448
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: of the dog that beat you. So wait wa, because

449
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: this one, I I have no idea what the etymology is,

450
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: but I've heard it used again in the wild, and

451
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: it's usually when someone starts drinking kind of early in

452
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: the day, you know, not distressingly early, not like airport,

453
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, like brunch earlier. Sure, and I mean it's

454
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: it's You can also infer from the way where it's

455
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: used in normal conversation that it's to quell the aching

456
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: headache from the night before you you wake up with

457
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: a headache because you're hungover, and so you're like, oh,

458
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: I have the dog, the bitch you. I'm just gonna

459
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: keep drinking. That will solve everything if I just keep drinking, right,

460
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: question Mark Lloyd, Yeah, exact, of course. I always think

461
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: of the shining too. Yeah, and it's referring to the

462
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cure like finger quotes cure. There's

463
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: no scientific proof that it works whatsoever, but the story

464
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: goes you, if you indulge too much, the next day,

465
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: you ingest more of the same alcohol and it quells

466
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: this pain in your head. But at the origin of

467
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: the expressions dates back to medieval times actually, when it

468
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: was thought that after being bit by a rabid dog,

469
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: one could relieve the pain by simply rubbing some hairs

470
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: from the same dog into your wound. Okay, first of all,

471
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: that's disgusting. That seems very not I'm not a doctor.

472
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it. I mean it is something that

473
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: we've talked about in other episodes of the show. Uh,

474
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: this this sort of like, I don't know, you hear

475
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: about it in medieval practitioners of remedies. You know, I'm

476
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: not even gonna call them doctor that wasn't quite even

477
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, but it seems like leeching or blood letting,

478
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: only this is like almost like the idea of fighting

479
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: fire with fire, right, yes, sympathetic magic. This theory was

480
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: first developed by a guy named Sir James Fraser in

481
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: his masterpiece The Golden Boat. And in this the argument

482
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: is that like can cure like this correlation between things,

483
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: whether they're related through their physicality or whether they're related

484
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: through their space and time in the event, right, like

485
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: a voodoo dollar or something. Sure, Yeah, or like like

486
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: how you could become a werewolf by drinking water from

487
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: a wolf print on the wood, which is also, by

488
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: the way, not true. If you if you were about

489
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: to give it a go, I don't think it will work,

490
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: but right in if it does once you transform back,

491
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right. Well, it's kind of the idea

492
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: that the poison can help create the antidote. Yeah, you

493
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: guys always enlightened me on my own idioms that I

494
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: bring to the table. I love the What did you call?

495
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: What kind of magic? Was that? Sympathetic? Yeah, it's sort

496
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: of like a sympathetic vibration, right, So it's if you

497
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: something vibrates at the right frequency, it makes something else

498
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: vibrate at that same frequency. So sympathetic magic would be

499
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: like if you are interacting with something related to the

500
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: malady that you're suffering from or maybe even dare we say,

501
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: the cause, that it will somehow cure it. But what

502
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: you're getting at wrong, which I totally agree with, is

503
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: that this is completely magical thinking. It's this idea that

504
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: I should to be less drunk or to feel less bad,

505
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: I should just drink more and sure it'll make you

506
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: feel a little better because you're drunk again. It's also

507
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: it's also babies, right, and also how do you get

508
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: the subsequent hairs from the same dog that bit you? Yeah,

509
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I feel like relationship, that's all right, It will requires

510
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: some sort of mystical quest because that here, okay, here

511
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: we go. I propose something, this idea of seeking out

512
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: some sort of creature that has wronged you, and then

513
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: you have to kill it to get the hair. That's

514
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: sort of the ideas you gotta you gotta slay the

515
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: beast and then you get the hair, rub it on

516
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: your wounds. But let's apply this to you know how

517
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: the idiom came around to bar times. I guess, like,

518
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: who doesn't like a good mimosa or Bloody Mary in

519
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: the morning. Let's be honest. You know, I was just

520
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: a little nip and bloody marrying guy. Yeah, I just

521
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: recently started liking Bloody Mary's. But I was shocked. Goes

522
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: to the airport at like six am this morning. I'm

523
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: looking at the people are pouring vodka and the airport

524
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: bar as six. That had to be some hair with

525
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: alcoholism is a real thing. Well, they're also they're also possibly,

526
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: in their defense, they're coming from a very different time zone.

527
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Could be we do have the world's busiest airport. Okay,

528
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: well never mind, no, no, no, no, you never know.

529
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: But I've decided to assume that's fair. I was a

530
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: little shocked though, and you know, even weirder, I was like,

531
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: maybe I should I should have a little nippets sick

532
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: in the morning. That seems fun. You know, If I

533
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: see someone drinking that much at an airport, um, I go.

534
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: They fly all of the time. They are getting on

535
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: airplanes like four times a week or something. Because the

536
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: thing about airports is that's sort of like a liminal

537
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: space where it's like a space between spaces. So the

538
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: normal rules of decorum and life skills do not apply

539
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: when you're at the airport. Absolutely true, like garbage. You

540
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: know what happens in the airport pants, sweatpants and vodka shots,

541
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: crocs trip that life fantastic. We have some airport war

542
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: stories that would be great for a future episode. What

543
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: do you think that's diving into our personal lives a little?

544
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm fine with you, okay, but I have a question

545
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, this is illuminating to me and I

546
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: cannot help, but wonder what kind of terrible nights someone

547
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: had where they went on this quest as well said

548
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: they were bitten by a rabid dog. They hunted it down,

549
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: they took its hair, and then in the morning they

550
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: started drinking booze. And someone's like, hey, dude, are you okay? Like,

551
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: how bad? Did not have to be? Right exactly? I

552
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: mean alcohol will always, uh act as you know, a

553
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: numbing agent. I feel like, uh, I mean, for God's sakes.

554
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: Then they used to put whiskey and milk and give

555
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: it to their kids. You know I still do that,

556
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: just random children. Okay. You know. I actually found a

557
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: really good physiological description of it on a website called

558
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: vine pair dot com, which is a great name for

559
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: a website. It is a great name. I actually have

560
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: the same same source. What did you find I found?

561
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: You know? I was, yeah, I was talking about these

562
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: physiological aspects of like how you know alcohol affects you,

563
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: um Like bloody Mary works because the alcohol inside the

564
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: drink begins acting on the chemical receptors inside the brain

565
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: to increase the feelings of pleasure. It's actually why so

566
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: many people like booze in the first place, and also

567
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: probably why you drank so much the night before, and

568
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: the chemical reaction begins to overpower the hangover symptoms, thus

569
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: allowing us to feel at least momentarily from the bad

570
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: decisions of the previous night. So and what is life

571
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: but a series of momentary relief and quick fixes? You know?

572
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: Have any of y'all ever had hair of the dog

573
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: actually cure your hangover? Because that's always been like a

574
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: delay strategy for me, Like when I've worked in a restaurant,

575
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just get through the lunch

576
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: rush and I can de stim spinach for the next

577
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: three hours and then go home. I've yeah, I've I'm

578
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: not a practitioner of Hair of the dog, even when

579
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm living a crazy airport life. It just seems strange

580
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: to introduce that kind of variable after, you know, especially

581
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: if you've had a night where you were drinking and

582
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: you wake up the next day like maybe you can,

583
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: maybe you can power through, as you said, Frank, delay

584
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: into three PM or something. At some point your body

585
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: passed some atabolize this alcohol, like unless you just steadily

586
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: drink from that point to the rest of your life,

587
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: which shorter. Yeah, exactly. No, it really does seem like

588
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: prolonging the inevitable. I am incapable of day drinking successfully too.

589
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: I know that Frank that you have. You're not. That's

590
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: not our thing. It's just like, because I get I

591
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: get sleepy, I get cranky. It's not fun. It just

592
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: is gonna kill my day. I don't care what kind

593
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: of night I've had the night before. I'm just going

594
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: to power through. And we have some very helpful chips

595
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: for this. All of a sudden, this has become alcoholism.

596
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: One O one. Just drink a lot of water. Drink

597
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot. That has always cured my headache. If I

598
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: just drink a lot of water. I do you want

599
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: to drink booze? I want to drink water and you know,

600
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of a leave

601
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of ibuprofen and something, eat something. Yeah, drink,

602
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: be married, No, don't be married. I feel sad, be

603
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: ashamed of yourself, your garbage person, and you don't deserve

604
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: to be happy. You should never drink again, and you

605
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: should you should make wildly melodramatic proclamations to everyone you

606
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: know on social media. People you don't. Yeah. So I

607
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: found this phrase from this old English writer named John

608
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Heywood on phrases dot org that supposedly the first origin

609
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: of Hair of the Dog. I thought it was really interesting.

610
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Are you going to read it? I'm going to read it?

611
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: Will you do a voice? I play the Let me

612
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: and my fellow have a hair of the dog that

613
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: bit us last night? And bitten? Were we both on

614
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: the brain night? It literally says that we saw each

615
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: other drunk in the good Ale glass bit on the brain.

616
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is I think we were talking off, Mike.

617
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: The just both to the brain, both the brain. That's great.

618
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: So you were telling me a little bit off Mike

619
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: that This article talks about how some of these phrases

620
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: don't really come into popular use until like the literal

621
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: version of it sort of falls out. So this is

622
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: sort of what you're seeing there as this gentleman using

623
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: that to describe the actual experience of being hungover, and

624
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of using it as a metaphor when it

625
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: was sort of a folkloric tradition in the first place,

626
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: right exactly. It's interesting, yeah, super fascinating and um and

627
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: we still use it to this day something. So so

628
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: we've got dope, hair of the Dog and tripping the light. Fantastic.

629
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we've set this up as a two

630
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: part in the beginning. Uh. This this is one of

631
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: those shows that I wish wouldn't end, but we will

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Speaker 1: have to end today's episode eventually. I have I have

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Speaker 1: one contribution. I feel like the evil uh, the evil

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Speaker 1: character and a fairy tale going. I have a present

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Speaker 1: for the child. There's one more gift. This phrase is

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Speaker 1: something that we've heard before, and I primed you guys

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Speaker 1: just a little bit off air for this. The word

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Speaker 1: is gad zooks, and so it was that's why I

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Speaker 1: was like sliding that in hot topic. Mall gad zoo

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Speaker 1: spensers uh for a lot of us in our age

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Speaker 1: group in this part of the world. When we hear

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Speaker 1: the phrase gad zooks, we associated with the store that

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Speaker 1: used to be quite popular in the era of malls,

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Speaker 1: and it was called gad Zooks. Were in a post

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Speaker 1: mall America. Yes, it's getting there. I guess that's because

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Speaker 1: the mall used to be like a central like fixture

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Speaker 1: of like hanging out, hang out, the center of town.

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Speaker 1: It was the center of town. Gad Zooks was also

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Speaker 1: like where you would buy those giant pants that were

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Speaker 1: called Jinkos for our younger listeners and maybe don't remember

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Speaker 1: this absurd time or that orb with the lightning the

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Speaker 1: glass that would touch or the needle thing you put

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Speaker 1: your hand and it shows it your hand in the metal,

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Speaker 1: which those things have to be filthy by now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the ones on display and like the science store. So

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Speaker 1: so it turns out that goad Zooks actually has a

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Speaker 1: storied history. You know, things like goad zooks or zounds,

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Speaker 1: which is also related on the Yep, they sound like

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Speaker 1: something you would hear on the old Adam West. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Scooby Doo, the old Adam West Batman. But they have

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Speaker 1: religious origins. Dictionary references date gad zooks as far back

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Speaker 1: as the late sixteen hundreds as a shortening of another exclamation,

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Speaker 1: which was by God's hooks. Whoa God's hook be a

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Speaker 1: reference to the nails on the cross of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: You know what first popped into my head when you

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Speaker 1: said God's hooks? I pictured God as being like pinhead

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Speaker 1: from hell raisers, shooting out hooks into the flesh I was.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking that to like a god with Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know that has an unseeable form except for the

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Speaker 1: hooks where the hands should be. You know this this

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Speaker 1: is superate? Yea super pirate. Uh? This weird because I

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Speaker 1: mentioned zounds earlier. Zounds also appears to date back to

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Speaker 1: around the fifteen hundreds as a euphemism for the phrase

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Speaker 1: by God's wounds. So I should be pronounced zoons should

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Speaker 1: probably right, and I guess it depends on the sounds.

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Speaker 1: So so this phrase gad zooks is not alone in

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Speaker 1: its evolution, even phrases there's somewhat innocuous, like jeepers. Creepers

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Speaker 1: was originally euphemism to get around saying Jesus Christ, but

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Speaker 1: still still have the same thing. I think the guy

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Speaker 1: who yeah. I think the guy who made the film

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Speaker 1: Jeepers Creepers doesn't know that, but also apparently that as

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Speaker 1: a creep Yeah, I'm a big fan of JEsum crow.

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Speaker 1: That's that's I'm a big fan of cheese and crackers

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Speaker 1: as good people saying that, right, I said that earlier, Yes, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: or just as strangers on the train. So it's an exclamation.

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Speaker 1: We don't hear it too often now. I think Prince

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Speaker 1: Philip said it in these are modern days, but it

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Speaker 1: would be unusual for us to be hanging out and

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Speaker 1: maybe have a surprise party for Casey and for him

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Speaker 1: to see the cake and whatever, you know, mariatcha band

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Speaker 1: or whatever we had to spice it up. It would

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Speaker 1: be really strange for him to go gad zouks, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it Well? I mean, you know, these hip young millennials

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Speaker 1: these days, they bring back this stuff all the time,

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Speaker 1: saying it ironically. You know, yeah, I say, Zoe's a

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Speaker 1: lot that's true. Yeah, that's true. I started saying, oishan,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea why. It's just stuck in my head.

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Speaker 1: I think I just made it up so like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I was just so prize. That's what it

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Speaker 1: came out, and it's like, I'll keep that one. But

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Speaker 1: the use of God for God occurs in other phrases

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Speaker 1: to et Gad gad and these are called phraseological combinations.

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Speaker 1: There are other ones that didn't make the cut. Gad

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Speaker 1: Zooks is did that Coca Cola reference earlier? Gad Zooks

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Speaker 1: is one of the most successful of these turns of phrase.

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Speaker 1: I would like, Yeah, I'd like to end this part

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Speaker 1: of the show by telling introducing you guys to some

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Speaker 1: gad Zooks esque things that didn't make it. They're all ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Are you prepared? All right? God's bobs also an exclamation,

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Speaker 1: gads Bob's uh, God's lid. There's Gad's bud l kins.

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Speaker 1: Can we bring that back? God's bubblican dare you? And

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Speaker 1: then God's nouns nouns, nouns you know U? And s

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Speaker 1: that lazy? I mean, I think the clear audience favorite

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Speaker 1: here is God's bud lickins. It's bud bud lickens buds.

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Speaker 1: That would be a good name for aid dukes of

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Speaker 1: hazard type characters. So this is strange. Gadsouts, Gad's buds lickins,

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Speaker 1: we found out about tripping the light, fantastic the hair

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Speaker 1: of the dog that bid us, and it was overall

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Speaker 1: pretty dope with your thanks many sounds, Noel Role desires

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Speaker 1: just a little bit I did not. I deserved it.

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Speaker 1: No I opened them wide and affection admiration from my

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Speaker 1: dear co host Bin Boling. Thank you Noel Brown. And likewise,

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Speaker 1: one thing that we found there was great interest to

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Speaker 1: us on our first episode of Idiomatic for the People

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Speaker 1: was that, in the course of the show we had

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Speaker 1: totally about planning it used several, like multiple different turns

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Speaker 1: of phrase or figures of speech idioms that we did

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Speaker 1: not even notice until we went back and listened to it.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if we did that today as well,

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it, No doubt about it. That's one.

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Speaker 1: There's a really cool video by Kishi Bashi who crams

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Speaker 1: like a hundred and twenty or so idioms into a

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Speaker 1: single music video. That's really cool. Well, we got four.

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Speaker 1: We're doing our best, we're living our best, but we're working.

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Speaker 1: But who is not even him sometimes? But he is

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Speaker 1: from Mathews, Georgia, which is also where ari A m

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Speaker 1: Is from, which is one of Frank's favorite bands, which

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Speaker 1: is where idiomatic for the people came from. So thanks R. A. M.

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Speaker 1: And thanks Frank mulhern for helping dub this segment. All right,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and thanks for coming on the show. Dude.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me rowan nubie. Thanks to you as well, dude,

742
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: my pleasure. You you you, you dashing man with your

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00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: He's got a shirt on that you guys wouldn't believe.

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00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: It's got boots on it. It's very colorful. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to take a picture, but I said, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to look weird. Oh no, it's fine. I won't takes

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Speaker 1: pictures everything these days. Al right. Well, that that which

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00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: man is wearing Google glasses right now. We keep telling

749
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Speaker 1: them they're out of fashion. They're no longer done. You

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Speaker 1: don't even function, He keeps saying, okay, Google, people take

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Speaker 1: a picture of shirts Google. All right, Well, you guys

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Speaker 1: busted me. They are apparently not as inconspicuous as I thought.

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Speaker 1: But yes, thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: If you would like to hear more from our good

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00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: friend Frank than Taint Mollahern, fear not, because you're essentially

756
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: a shadow member of our our podcasting we run ideas

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00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: past Frank and Frank will sometimes give us ideas and

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Speaker 1: we just try not to Discipplin. I'm I'm a little

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00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: worried that having his actual voice on the show is

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00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: going to open up some sort of rift and time space.

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Speaker 1: But I'm willing to take the chance. God, let's hope

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00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 1: not if you want to. If you want to hear

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Speaker 1: more from our good friend Rowan Nubie, check out his

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Speaker 1: podcast Pitches. What is Pitches? Pitches as a podcast about ideas.

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Speaker 1: There's a comedy podcast, and uh boy, oh boy, I

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Speaker 1: would love it if any of these fellow listeners would

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00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: like to write in any ideas. I mean, really, it

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Speaker 1: can be an app a turn of phrase, how about that?

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Speaker 1: It could be uh, you know, an invention or who knows?

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Speaker 1: And what goes on? You were on a great episode

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Speaker 1: of That's correct. Yeah, I think it's coming out soon.

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Speaker 1: It's today today, so well this would be a little

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Speaker 1: removed from that in time, so it already exists in

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Speaker 1: the world, that's right. I pitched a really silly idea

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Speaker 1: for a suntan lotion that gets you drunk. Ah, the

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Speaker 1: old hair of the tan, hair of the tan that

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Speaker 1: that tans you right, Oh, it was very good. Thanks

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00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: for having me. I think we've got our future episode

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Speaker 1: coming up where Ben is going to That is correctly,

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Speaker 1: that's in the that's in the cards. Tune. If you

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Speaker 1: want to find us on the instagrams, you know what

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Speaker 1: to do at pictures Podcast Baby shameless plug. Oh, we're

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Speaker 1: far past the point of shame for plugs speaking up likes.

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Speaker 1: You can find us and your fellow listeners on our

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Speaker 1: Facebook page. Ridiculous Historians were also all over Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We've even started sharing our own personal adventures. Is that

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Speaker 1: right now? That's right? I am at Embryonic Insider and

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Speaker 1: I am at Ben Bolan. We hope that you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this episode. We hope you tune in for the next one.

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Speaker 1: As idiomatic For the people soldiers on Frank, I cannot

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Speaker 1: emphasize it enough. We're huge fans of that name. Thank you.

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00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Um we're thank you profusely because we're I think legally

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Speaker 1: we're we don't have to pay you, it's what we do.

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Speaker 1: We're also profuse thankers just in general. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Ben, and thank you super producer Casey Pagram. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Alex Williams. We composed our theme. Thank you Gabe,

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00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: our research associate who had absolutely nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: this episode today, but we still thank him just the same.

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Speaker 1: He's a real mench uh, And thanks to you bambo

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Speaker 1: One for being such a dashing and debonair co host.

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00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: And that jacket and those Google glasses are really popping today.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I've committed to the bit. That's what

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Speaker 1: you gotta do. We'll see you next time. Books