Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets
Speaker 1: are on sale now to see me on tour, the
Speaker 1: Prince of Christmas Tour, that is, I'm doing my whole
Speaker 1: album have you Heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more
Speaker 1: with the whole band all throughout the December. Go to
Speaker 1: www dot Matt rodgersoficial dot com to see me in
Speaker 1: a city near you. And now lost culch drums, look mare,
Speaker 1: oh I see you and look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow,
Speaker 1: lost Cultu ding Dong Lost Cultures. And this feels like
Speaker 1: the culmination. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: I think we pack it up after this.
Speaker 1: After this, it's to the graveyard with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to all the haters, y'all want, Yeah, y'all want.
Speaker 2: And also it's fine and we did. We did the
Speaker 2: thing we needed to do for our life to be complete.
Speaker 2: We've peaked personally, professionally, journalistically.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we'reving a festive moment today in honor of
Speaker 1: our guest. It is, of course September twenty sixth at
Speaker 1: this time of recording.
Speaker 2: So it's not yet.
Speaker 1: It's not yet on not yet, because it's really not yet.
Speaker 2: It's really not yet, but as we approach, it's t word,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just the anticipation is building. I am
Speaker 2: just even donning this Princess Diana sweater, yeah, with the
Speaker 2: Lamiley on it, as it were, I'm feeling the festive
Speaker 2: spirit even though it's not yet.
Speaker 1: So those who know the real ones know, Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to take you back. It's April eleventh, two thousand
Speaker 1: in Madison Square Garden, my very first concert of my
Speaker 1: entire life. My parents got me for my birthday Mariah
Speaker 1: Carey The Rainbow Tour, which really was a narrative about
Speaker 1: trying to hunt down Bianca. Yes, I do want to
Speaker 1: find that if we ever got the word, that b word,
Speaker 1: the character from perhaps the greatest music video of all time.
Speaker 1: You know. The other day, I'm digging in my artifacts
Speaker 1: and I find this. So this is big cassette Singoriah
Speaker 1: Carry Boys to Men One Sweet Day, which I would
Speaker 1: play the f out in the car with my mother
Speaker 1: on Long Islands. And to say that this is wish
Speaker 1: fulfillment is beyond because this podcast exists, and we of
Speaker 1: course ask all of our guests what was the culture
Speaker 1: that made me? Say? Culture was for me?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 1: That is our guest, and I cannot believe you're here.
Speaker 1: We did meet briefly at Peloton. Yes, it was not
Speaker 1: necessarily an exchange of words. It was more an exchange
Speaker 1: of what would you support?
Speaker 2: I think I think you helped our guests down from
Speaker 2: the podium, from which she said it's T word that, Yes,
Speaker 2: the tea word being time, the T word being time.
Speaker 2: But it was a perfect prelude to this moment, which
Speaker 2: I think has been in the stars, destined for time eternal.
Speaker 1: It's a major moment. I'm gonna make it through. I
Speaker 1: can make it through the rain. You can through the rain,
Speaker 1: eventual tears. But as a card carrying, platinum card carrying
Speaker 1: member of the Lamily, and I know I speak for
Speaker 1: so many people that are listening and watching this right now.
Speaker 1: We are so excited to welcome the greatest of all time,
Speaker 1: Mariah Carries. You really are here.
Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm here, the prequel to It's time, right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's the not yet right yeah, And then maybe I'm
Speaker 3: just like waving up at the world, going I'm here.
Speaker 1: Is it ever too? When do you start decorating? I wonder?
Speaker 3: I wait, you wait, yeah, actually I wait till I'm
Speaker 3: done with the tour. Yeah, okay, and then it's tree ornaments.
Speaker 3: I like your ornaments.
Speaker 2: Well, it's from the Amazon Music collaboration with Mariah On
Speaker 2: October thirty. First go to amazon dot com Flash Variah Care.
Speaker 2: You can buy ornaments snow Globes Exclusive tour merchant a pair.
Speaker 2: I mean, talk about the snow globe is what how
Speaker 2: did you pick out the scenery and the dioramas of
Speaker 2: the snow glow.
Speaker 3: Yes, the diamas the diroma is vocabulary. My gosh, you
Speaker 3: guys win. So the snow globes with the EMC logo
Speaker 3: and the it's glittery snow, I would call that right,
Speaker 3: glittery snow. And that's my little caricature of me and
Speaker 3: some reindeer, and I just I thought it would look
Speaker 3: pretty with this kind of the gold down here as the.
Speaker 2: Adornment Coco, the adorn Every time I use a word
Speaker 2: that makes you laugh, I feel very happy.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're a vocabulary legend, your vocabulary, your
Speaker 1: averb I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I kind of like used to be, but I don't.
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't try anymore, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the word is. I just say,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the word is.
Speaker 1: Where you go? You know that you really had me
Speaker 1: saying the word nonchalantly in third grade, Like people are like, hey, Matt,
Speaker 1: what do you want to play at recess today? I'm
Speaker 1: nonchalant about it just because of your songs.
Speaker 3: I listened to that the other day and I was like,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm trying to be nonchalant about it.
Speaker 1: Who did I think I was?
Speaker 2: I was using incessant before I even knew what the
Speaker 2: word incessant. But I just heard incessantly and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: if Mariah is using.
Speaker 3: The rhyme I got away with and not for.
Speaker 1: Nothing, but incessantly in a number one hit song, they're
Speaker 1: not using words like that anymore. Number one hit songs,
Speaker 1: they're not. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think you know in this TikTok age, it's like
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna be quick, and it's gonna be monosyllabic. You
Speaker 2: can't throw a lee or anything.
Speaker 3: In there, right. The lee's get them, the lees, the
Speaker 3: lees get them.
Speaker 2: But I think the lees rhymes with the mees. And
Speaker 2: I feel like you are singing from your point of view,
Speaker 2: and so therefore it works. It's the puzzle.
Speaker 3: Piece, you know, the puzzle piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were wading in Vanity Fair in this recent
Speaker 2: interview did that.
Speaker 1: By Rob Ledoni, friend of mine, friend of friend of.
Speaker 2: Cod It's been six years since Caution, and yeah, so
Speaker 2: I believe that one of my favorite albums in the last.
Speaker 1: Decade, brilliant, truly, truly, truly.
Speaker 3: It didn't get the push and promotion that it deserved.
Speaker 3: Agree and sad about that.
Speaker 1: You know, am I? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: That was bangers on Bangers? I was. I remember it
Speaker 1: was in like Goanas and you did that sit down
Speaker 1: like that was really focused on your songwriting and it
Speaker 1: was like around the release of Caution. I actually went
Speaker 1: with my friend Mariah Smith. Oh yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: me and Mariah watching Mariah and it was like that
Speaker 1: album was total fire and it really was. That conversation
Speaker 1: was about your songwriting, and I think that, like, that's
Speaker 1: what I get most excited about when it comes to you.
Speaker 1: And so when we're asking about the new music, I
Speaker 1: just want to know, like are you writing now, Like
Speaker 1: what's happening, Like what's inspiring you?
Speaker 3: Yes, I am writing now. But the more I talk
Speaker 3: about new music and that I'm doing this and it's
Speaker 3: probably coming out and whatever a year or two years.
Speaker 3: Everybody gets mad at me because they're like, why are
Speaker 3: you telling us this? And then it doesn't come out
Speaker 3: in a year, and oh you know what I mean
Speaker 3: that some people be mad.
Speaker 1: No, they just need to let you work. It just
Speaker 1: does feel like, you know, six years we already twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five is the year I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It, and I will concur. Okay, I have a concur.
Speaker 2: It concurs, not a commitment, like if it gets pushed,
Speaker 2: we'll understand.
Speaker 3: Yes, it really does need to happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we agree. We are over here agreeing. We
Speaker 2: had Caution on during a drive up state I remember
Speaker 2: in twenty eight Yeah, and it was just like damn
Speaker 2: every track, you know. I mean, I feel like you
Speaker 2: have this quality as a vocal producer where you like
Speaker 2: are clearly working with these collaborators that you love, like
Speaker 2: you're Jermane Deuprits and you're R. Michael Cox's. But it's like,
Speaker 2: when do you know as an artist, like that your
Speaker 2: stamp is on it, that it's done, it's ready to go.
Speaker 2: Because if I imagine that this process is like capturing
Speaker 2: a cloud and trying to like put it down into
Speaker 2: a words or a sound or something like what is
Speaker 2: your signature as a vocal producer?
Speaker 3: Hmmm, Well, it takes a while. I run it down
Speaker 3: once and then I'm like, okay, that was cute, and then,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how long. I take a while,
Speaker 3: you know, so that I can live with it and
Speaker 3: just really let it sink in, and then I'll know, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's about five words that I want to redo the
Speaker 3: way the way I'm saying that. You know, I didn't
Speaker 3: like that, or it's okay, but I want to try
Speaker 3: something different, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's a different process from like the songwriting of it,
Speaker 2: because right, like that's just getting it down.
Speaker 3: It's how do I say it? It's a it's an
Speaker 3: interesting like like a sandwich.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, because you're famously stacked. He's famously stacked.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's because it's so important to write this
Speaker 3: song first and then if you don't take your time,
Speaker 3: and it's part of the process to do that, like
Speaker 3: go in change this, go in change that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean you were talking about how Hero was one
Speaker 2: of the songs that came the fastest to you on
Speaker 2: a writing level, then I imagine the production of that
Speaker 2: was a longer process.
Speaker 3: It actually went. The whole thing is sort of like
Speaker 3: at the same time. It happened at the same time
Speaker 3: because they were explaining to me about Dustin Hoffman's new
Speaker 3: movies that was called Hero and then I took a
Speaker 3: walk to the loo and started hearing. Then then A
Speaker 3: Hero comes along and with the start to carry on
Speaker 3: and walked back in and said to Walter a who
Speaker 3: I used to work with. I was like, this is
Speaker 3: how the song goes, Like can you start playing this
Speaker 3: yeah and humming to him the you know.
Speaker 1: So it just it's wild that that can come to
Speaker 1: you so quickly and then it becomes one of the
Speaker 1: most famous hooks of all time. Does that ever like
Speaker 1: feel strange? It's like one of the things that you
Speaker 1: thought of really on the way to and from the
Speaker 1: lou then becomes that thing that like really hits hard
Speaker 1: and maybe something you work on for a very long time, like.
Speaker 3: Doesn't doesn't get to that point. Yeah, Well, I wasn't
Speaker 3: trying to write this big heroic.
Speaker 1: Answer anthem the Ages.
Speaker 3: An anthemic heroic moment. Was it wasn't searching for that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it you know, it kind of happened what arrived.
Speaker 3: But then some songs I am working on, you know, longer,
Speaker 3: and and maybe I'll end up liking them better, like
Speaker 3: a song like Fly Like a Bird, Like I love
Speaker 3: that song, and yet it's not Hero in terms of
Speaker 3: like how major Hero was in terms of success, but
Speaker 3: I still love and it's a Grammy winner.
Speaker 1: You don't have enough of those. By the way, five.
Speaker 3: They play with toy with me.
Speaker 1: Can I ask, what's a better vocal performance in terms
Speaker 1: of pop music than Heartbreaker? Can we talk about the
Speaker 1: end breakdown of Heartbreaker? I really want to get into this.
Speaker 1: There's four different like vocal lines of you coming on
Speaker 1: at the same time that I'll call back to different
Speaker 1: parts of the song. I remember hearing that song for
Speaker 1: the first time and being like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: she did this again. But yet of course, just like
Speaker 1: what that's stacking that happens at the.
Speaker 2: End, it's performance.
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible, And I wonder, is that like something
Speaker 1: you're particularly proud of, because to me, that is pop excellence.
Speaker 1: Thank you? Heartbreaker is everything.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that very much because it's one of my favorites. Yeah, done,
Speaker 3: And that ending was just me figuring out, like the
Speaker 3: song is written over a loop, yes, right, so in
Speaker 3: order to do like all those different parts, it wasn't
Speaker 3: that difficult because it's all it was pretty much the
Speaker 3: same the right song itself because of the way it's
Speaker 3: written over a loop. Yeah, So then doing the little
Speaker 3: parts and having the interwoven with each other was just
Speaker 3: what it's like what I like to do.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and just pulling it out and like
Speaker 1: isolating those souks was just like a genius way to
Speaker 1: end that song. And that last give Me It's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like that little cherry on top that
Speaker 1: like you could live happy for the rest of your
Speaker 1: day when you're when you've listened to that and just
Speaker 1: to speak to that moment and also that tour. So
Speaker 1: when you're doing that song, do you see the video
Speaker 1: at the same time, because that's probably one of the
Speaker 1: best music videos ever you versus Bianca.
Speaker 3: The Heartbreaker music video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to know where she is now.
Speaker 3: I know we got to find her.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 3: She and there was a girl on the set who
Speaker 3: was actually she was like a stand in and she
Speaker 3: was from a different country and because she had an accent,
Speaker 3: and she's a pretty girl, you know, and we're there
Speaker 3: and everybody's throwing the popcorn, like you know, we're throwing
Speaker 3: the popcorn, and she got so mad. She's a stand
Speaker 3: in to be there and whatever. The girl had popcorn
Speaker 3: on top of her hair, glued on top of her hair,
Speaker 3: like that's what it was supposed to be. And she
Speaker 3: got so mad. She walked out on your set, being
Speaker 3: a diva on set.
Speaker 2: The injustice adding hours to the day it did.
Speaker 3: And then I went out to her trailer and was like, Hi,
Speaker 3: we really didn't mean to do anything to upset you
Speaker 3: or you know.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh wow, she was really giving Bianca.
Speaker 3: She was so you know Bianca. We were inspired all
Speaker 3: the more conflict.
Speaker 2: Where did the name bianca come from?
Speaker 1: I just made it, Yeah, as your want to do.
Speaker 1: It's another word that is pulled from wherever.
Speaker 2: Yes, an immaculate conception.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just say and also ask. In addition
Speaker 1: the Butterfly album, I think that I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is true, but I would guess that of all
Speaker 1: the lambs like and all the fans that come up
Speaker 1: to you across the world that that's one that probably
Speaker 1: comes up a lot. I know for me, I listened
Speaker 1: to it at a time when I was like really
Speaker 1: like discovering myself, and it will always be so important
Speaker 1: to me. And I guess I just wanted to ask
Speaker 1: about that album, like does that have special significance to
Speaker 1: you as it does to your I know your fans,
Speaker 1: that particular album.
Speaker 3: It definitely it has very special significance to me. I
Speaker 3: think it's probably my best album.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that doesn't have all the accolades
Speaker 1: from all it has a zero accolades zero. I don't
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty sure it has zero accolades.
Speaker 1: I was looking earlier just to check, and I was right.
Speaker 1: You had some nominations for it, but not anywhere near
Speaker 1: the respect that that album deserves for not only what
Speaker 1: it did in terms of like the metamorphosis of you
Speaker 1: as an artist in your career, but I know how
Speaker 1: it inspired so many.
Speaker 3: Artists, so many I mean, I love that album. It
Speaker 3: has a certain feeling when you listen to it, like yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's the it's just got a lot of diversity,
Speaker 3: like it's it's I don't know ego from Breakdown to
Speaker 3: the Butterfly.
Speaker 1: My all, my all is I mean, we all know,
Speaker 1: but like my it's just like you. I again hit
Speaker 1: play on it and I listened to a lot of
Speaker 1: the discography this morning, happily and getting ready for this.
Speaker 1: But just like honey, just the way that the album starts.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in a new era, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's it's innovative. It's just it's one of those albums
Speaker 2: that we had Kelly Clarkson in this chair like a
Speaker 2: year ago.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, she loves my all.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, that's so nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, like just that album and particularly
Speaker 1: the Roof. I was so happy that you got so.
Speaker 3: She was talking about the roof.
Speaker 1: No, Kelly was talking about Okay, I'm talking about the roof. Okay,
Speaker 1: but she could be talking about the roof because I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not as well known. No, but you know what
Speaker 1: those that's a number one hit for the Lambs. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. So back in the day we did on
Speaker 1: this podcast we did a book club reading of the
Speaker 1: Meaning of Mariah Carey. Oh really, yes we did, because
Speaker 1: it is my favorite book and it is, like I
Speaker 1: think it's a piece of music history. It's music history.
Speaker 2: It's the best celebrity memoir. It's like it's the audiobook
Speaker 2: is the best celebrity audiobook.
Speaker 3: Did you like the audio where? Yeah, word they could have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could have stopped playing in this woman's face.
Speaker 1: Not that it matters what you think, but like in
Speaker 1: a world where it will be nice anyway, Like they
Speaker 1: had it right in the beginning, but anyway, Like what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is you mean the best artists, they got
Speaker 1: it right the first year, and then they were like,
Speaker 1: let's continue to sleep on it, like as if you
Speaker 1: weren't leagues ahead of everyone else. In all respect to
Speaker 1: everyone else, but anyway, everybody, I love everybody, line everybody.
Speaker 1: I just remember you talking about the Roof, and that
Speaker 1: was such it almost felt validating for me as a kid,
Speaker 1: because the Roof was not a track I could get over.
Speaker 1: It was like you could feel the discovery, like even
Speaker 1: just in the lyrical imagery, the rain hitting your skin,
Speaker 1: the way that you were waking up. I honestly think
Speaker 1: in that moment, I was waking up to being queer
Speaker 1: and who I was. It's just such a vivid, beautiful song,
Speaker 1: and I want to say There actually was a moment
Speaker 1: where I was in third grade and we would go
Speaker 1: in and we would that we would have writing time,
Speaker 1: like you could write anything in your journal. So I
Speaker 1: just wrote the lyrics to the roof oh wow, and
Speaker 1: then we had to hand the journals in. My teacher
Speaker 1: read hated me. Well, no, no, she must have been
Speaker 1: listening to someone else at the time, maybe she had
Speaker 1: been playing Celandian because she thought it was my writing.
Speaker 1: And she goes, I don't know what you're going through,
Speaker 1: but you are a beautiful writer. Literally, it's me talking
Speaker 1: about like, you know, like having this experience spelled it
Speaker 1: like m o a y.
Speaker 3: Why do you pronounce it that way?
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's just how I yeah, I mean, but listen,
Speaker 1: like it worked, and but I probably should have wrote
Speaker 1: sprite or something, right, But just to know that, like
Speaker 1: that's the kind of song that is, like I didn't
Speaker 1: have to get it to really get it and have
Speaker 1: it be meaningful to me. And that's like a testament
Speaker 1: to your writing and that album and what must have
Speaker 1: been such an incredible breakthrough creatively for you at that time.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, it it definitely was just to be
Speaker 3: able to be free to write and perform in the
Speaker 3: way that I wanted as opposed to other people saying
Speaker 3: do this. Even if I wrote Hero, that doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that's the only song or type of song that I
Speaker 3: wanted to write.
Speaker 1: Right, And you were very famous for that type of
Speaker 1: song for a long duration of time, right, I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you were, And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this new person came out because you felt I don't know,
Speaker 1: embolden or how would you Yeah, a good vocal word.
Speaker 3: It's in the song we're talking about. That's the only
Speaker 3: reason I remember. Yeah, yeah, of course I started feeling
Speaker 3: started feeling liberated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean iconic. But then your music got funnier too,
Speaker 1: I think, do you think that that is there's a
Speaker 1: link there, because all of a sudden you started making jokes.
Speaker 1: I had jokes, But how do you feel about the jokes?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: You're you're you know?
Speaker 3: I do. I still do. I just haven't put out
Speaker 3: a new album in six years, as you pointed out.
Speaker 2: And look as someone who does not believe in time, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like what is time?
Speaker 3: We don't know what that is?
Speaker 2: So then so's it's irrelevant, right, It's like and it's
Speaker 2: also like part of the process. It's like it needs
Speaker 2: time to cook, it needs time to develop, and and
Speaker 2: so it's it's all you got to basted.
Speaker 3: It requires based, it requires based.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: You know, and then at the end you get a
Speaker 3: fabulous meal with people that you love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Do you like Thanksgiving or are you
Speaker 1: wanting to rush through it to get through your season?
Speaker 3: I like Thanksgivings. Well, I'm just I'm very you know
Speaker 3: the word I'm going to say best.
Speaker 1: Yes, that includes the Turkey Day of course. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: your festive for Halloween, your festiv for the Thanksgiving, your
Speaker 1: festive for Christmas, Yes, yes, for the July well yes, First,
Speaker 1: another great track, thank you.
Speaker 3: I have a song called for this.
Speaker 1: Yes, they know if you don't know, Actually I made
Speaker 1: I remember I made at the time of doing the
Speaker 1: book the audiobook, I made playlists for everyone who like,
Speaker 1: for some reason, didn't know. And this is my intermediate
Speaker 1: Mariah playlist. Ready the roof Hate You Clown one of
Speaker 1: the great tracks. Clown is so good and we agree
Speaker 1: with you el Friend co written by Candy Burth. Yes, Wow,
Speaker 1: we love, we love forever. The distance Your girl and your.
Speaker 2: Girl are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Vanish Sweetheart and all I've ever wanted? Those are my those.
Speaker 3: It's so funny that Vanishing is on there after John
Speaker 3: just said, I.
Speaker 1: Know, right, we're talking about about Vanishing just over there
Speaker 1: because your incredible performance of it on Saturday and Live
Speaker 1: all those years ago.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, that was a fun moment. Patrick Swayze was
Speaker 2: those Yes, and that was like early. That was like
Speaker 2: the beginning, the very beginning. Yeah, if you were to
Speaker 2: walk back in there in that space like you would
Speaker 2: just you would have even more of a command on it,
Speaker 2: I think, right, Like.
Speaker 3: I like, no, I think I had less what's it called.
Speaker 3: I wasn't quite as nervous. Yeah, back then for some reason.
Speaker 3: I don't know why totally.
Speaker 2: I mean it makes it like I I understand what
Speaker 2: you mean, because I feel like there's this thing that
Speaker 2: at least as it relates to just and how people
Speaker 2: say that, like, oh, the longer you stay there, the
Speaker 2: more the more nervous you are, which is it shouldn't
Speaker 2: work that way. It should work in these it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's you should be more comfortable. And yet like something
Speaker 2: about like being on display or just having your work
Speaker 2: be like celebrating. I'm talking about your work be celebrated.
Speaker 2: It must mean that, like there is this comfort that
Speaker 2: people are expecting from you, and it's a lot to
Speaker 2: provide that, I imagine, especially.
Speaker 3: So early on in one's career, right, you know, did you.
Speaker 1: Feel like it was very fast? Because in the book
Speaker 1: you talk about sort of it was only a few
Speaker 1: years into your career that it was the Tokyo Show
Speaker 1: that you really realized just how international and how big
Speaker 1: you were. But before that it was not.
Speaker 3: Well because the Tokyo Show was in a gigantic Tokyo
Speaker 3: don't was ginormous? Yeah, so you know, I found myself
Speaker 3: there and it wasn't like being at even like on
Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live, which is bigger in many ways, but this.
Speaker 1: Was spatially huge and across the world. Right, Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: that's totally different type of fan probably responding in a
Speaker 1: different way. Were they a very like engaged crowd, did
Speaker 1: they know the words in their own way or.
Speaker 3: Well, my experience at that time was that everybody had
Speaker 3: to kind of be polite. People in Japan were very polite,
Speaker 3: and so it was like, you know, I would sing
Speaker 3: whatever the song was, and then it would just be Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're done punctuated, And somebody came up to me and said, like,
Speaker 3: please don't think that we're not appreciative of your music.
Speaker 3: This is just our culture. And how you know it
Speaker 3: was so nice that they did that because I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was that the show too where or
Speaker 1: maybe that maybe not that show, but there was another
Speaker 1: show where you were trying to teach the crowd always
Speaker 1: be my Baby. I think you performed it for the
Speaker 1: first time.
Speaker 3: I think it was that one.
Speaker 1: It was and that you were trying to get them
Speaker 1: to do it, and they were just like, we're not.
Speaker 2: I can't match that. You can't match the.
Speaker 1: Three probably another one of your greatest ever.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about just this standard now in
Speaker 2: the industry and the music industry that you've set, which
Speaker 2: is or this convention really where it's like a beautiful
Speaker 2: vocal can be paired with a great hip hop feature,
Speaker 2: you know, like those two things are complimentary, which I mean,
Speaker 2: no one at the time that you sort of innovated
Speaker 2: on that thought would work at all.
Speaker 1: Fantasy Heartbreaker pioneered that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was I mean, there there were other there
Speaker 3: are other ones too. I'm trying to think of all
Speaker 3: the records I did, like with Jada Kis at the time,
Speaker 3: I mean, that was definitely unexpected.
Speaker 2: That is such a huge part of your legacy. Like
Speaker 2: how does that sit with you? Watching literally everybody sort
Speaker 2: of follow the blueprint that you've set.
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting, but I you know, I didn't even
Speaker 3: say o dB, which you know, fantasy probably the biggest,
Speaker 3: one of the biggest. Yes, absolutely, And I really I
Speaker 3: wanted so much to work with hip hop artists. I
Speaker 3: really did. I wanted to do my thing and then
Speaker 3: be able to listen to their vocals. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so then luckily I was able
Speaker 3: to do it. But a lot of people told me, oh,
Speaker 3: this could be the end of your career, you know,
Speaker 3: don't do.
Speaker 1: This, that the world's had to be separate. Yeah, M
Speaker 1: so crazy now because the music it feels like what
Speaker 1: is genre?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know, yes, it's wild like you see like you know,
Speaker 1: with Beyonce's album Cowboy Carter, Like, yes, it's country, but
Speaker 1: it's also rockets, also Americana, it's pop, it's all these things.
Speaker 1: Now it feels like if you're not blending genre, what
Speaker 1: are you doing right?
Speaker 2: And having that moment at the GRAMM is with you
Speaker 2: in Miley last this year fell like such a perfect
Speaker 2: encapsulation of that too, and it makes me, it makes
Speaker 2: everyone really excited for whenever the new stuff is coming.
Speaker 2: Not to bring it back to this, but it's like,
Speaker 2: I think you can. You're really going to take advantage
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: Sort of Yeah, I agree, And I loved that moment
Speaker 3: with Miley was amazing. She was so great and she
Speaker 3: sent me flowers, Yeah, send me beautiful flowers after that,
Speaker 3: and I was like, she's incredible.
Speaker 1: When she gave you your props there, I mean like
Speaker 1: she was like, no, you have to stay right here.
Speaker 1: I think because I would imagine that she looks up
Speaker 1: to you and like feels indebted to you for what
Speaker 1: you've done, as everyone does and should. Mariah Carey, we
Speaker 1: have to ask you the question that's the centerpiece of
Speaker 1: our podcast, the centerpiece of the centerpiece of this snow globe,
Speaker 1: the Christmas snow globe of our podcast, Mariah carry what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say? Culture was for you?
Speaker 1: That formative pop culture, whether it be music, movies, it
Speaker 1: can be anything that you can look back and be
Speaker 1: like Mariah was becoming Mariah because of that thing.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a few things, Yes, give it to us,
Speaker 3: I would have to say, looking at from the time
Speaker 3: I was little little Michael Jackson when he was a kid, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then when he did like on Motown twenty five,
Speaker 3: when he was there making like history, not the album,
Speaker 3: but making history, you know, just being himself being on
Speaker 3: their moonwalking and doing everything. I mean, it was just
Speaker 3: a moment where everybody was just watching that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also Prince. I love Prince and it's so sad
Speaker 3: that he's no longer with us. Yeah, I still listen
Speaker 3: to Prince all the time, and yeah, I would say,
Speaker 3: like little Red Corvette, Yes, so good. And then you know,
Speaker 3: my mother always loved Marilyn Monroe and I walked into
Speaker 3: her room one time and she was watching like when
Speaker 3: they would do those talking about like Marilyn was this
Speaker 3: and that, because she had passed away eight years ago,
Speaker 3: and she was watching one of those retrospectives and at
Speaker 3: that point they were looking at gentlemen prefer blonde and
Speaker 3: I didn't know who she was. I just saw this
Speaker 3: like doll like woman and I was like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3: And I was a kid and my mother told me
Speaker 3: who she was, and then from then on I was
Speaker 3: a huge fan of hers and looked up all her
Speaker 3: you know, stuff from her life, books about her, books
Speaker 3: by Norman Mayler. Yeah, just like incredible.
Speaker 2: So that's that's three very good answers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like the thing that ties them
Speaker 1: all together too, is they all have such iconography, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like you look at them and
Speaker 1: you say, that's Marilyn. There's only one that's Prince. There's
Speaker 1: only one that's Michael. There's only one and you see
Speaker 1: you think of him doing the moonwalk, and you immediately
Speaker 1: that's a monoculture moment.
Speaker 3: And so do you.
Speaker 1: Think that that imprinting on them had something to do
Speaker 1: with the fact that you felt like almost othered and
Speaker 1: that you would grow to be You knew you could
Speaker 1: grow to become an individual, and there was something about
Speaker 1: them being so singular that you identified with.
Speaker 3: I promised myself I would grow to be someone that
Speaker 3: had a successful career. Yeah, because I did feel so
Speaker 3: othered and being of mixed race, coming from a family
Speaker 3: that was very dysfunctional, that was a difficult road for me.
Speaker 3: And so I kind of had to adapt this this
Speaker 3: strength that was like, you know, I'm going to do this.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell anybody that I'm going to
Speaker 3: do this, but this is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: Move in silence, geez do it? Yeah, moving silence until
Speaker 1: we're using and then we're actually taking up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, between the three of those, it's like there's
Speaker 2: there's vocal trademark, there's artistic trademark, there's esthetic trademark. It's
Speaker 2: like and those and those all kind of converge in
Speaker 2: you and like, I mean, you really are just a singular,
Speaker 2: all time great person and who's created all this joy.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, you've created this world and
Speaker 2: this feeling that people will never detach from, that will
Speaker 2: always carry with them.
Speaker 1: Hm.
Speaker 2: That's really it's really incredible.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think Also people don't realize how tough
Speaker 1: Long Island. Yeah, talk about the Long Islan all. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it is though, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's like Wrong Island. Baby. Are you a seafood person?
Speaker 1: I know you love your linguini with white clam sauce.
Speaker 3: I do. That was my dad's recipe. That's why why
Speaker 3: what do you think I'm just like, it's a Long
Speaker 3: Island thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're by the sea where in Long
Speaker 1: I'm from Icelip, but my parents grew up in Lindenhurst,
Speaker 1: so I'm a south shore kid. Yeah, Okay, why do
Speaker 1: you laugh?
Speaker 3: I laugh because I had such a traumatic experience growing
Speaker 3: up in a place that's so racist, and that was
Speaker 3: a thing where, you know, my mother always wanted to live.
Speaker 3: There are different places around there and I and I
Speaker 3: had to be there. So I did love.
Speaker 2: It right to the point where, like, you know, you go, oh,
Speaker 2: the struggles that I've been through sort of define who
Speaker 2: I am. But it's like there are you. There are
Speaker 2: certain things and experiences and settings in life where you
Speaker 2: go I could have I think I could have done
Speaker 2: without that.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah a few.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's a good bleak about but you
Speaker 1: read the book. But like, I honestly think it's so
Speaker 1: important that you speak so truthfully about that stuff because
Speaker 1: I think when we listen to your music, like when
Speaker 1: we listen to the song outside and we listened to
Speaker 1: Close my Eyes, and this is stuff that you really
Speaker 1: opened up about in Butterfly and had maybe sort of
Speaker 1: hinted at in your earlier work but never really got
Speaker 1: into the darkness, and then you started to let us
Speaker 1: in in reading the book. That's just it obviously had
Speaker 1: to be painful to be explicit about those things, and
Speaker 1: also to know that there's other people's you know, feelings,
Speaker 1: and that people are gonna have opinions about what you say.
Speaker 1: But it's so important to be so truthful because I mean,
Speaker 1: people feel seen by it, and I want to know, like,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you felt like a reconnection to
Speaker 1: your fans again who had already felt that way about
Speaker 1: your music and then the book made them come back,
Speaker 1: and like was it even more emotional? Hmmm?
Speaker 3: I loved writing the book. I collaborated with Michaela Angela
Speaker 3: Davis and she's awesome. I mean, when I read the
Speaker 3: book for the audio, you know, for Audible, it was
Speaker 3: eleven hours of rereading the book. So all the time
Speaker 3: you know, spent writing the book and then reading it
Speaker 3: over and having you know, what's the guy that comes
Speaker 3: and the editor, Yes, James is his name, Hi James,
Speaker 3: you know, just going through this stuff with the editor
Speaker 3: and and doing all that and then being like I'm
Speaker 3: gonna spend eleven hours doing this, you know, speaking this book,
Speaker 3: and it was right at the beginning of COVID and
Speaker 3: so that was that. And yeah, I actually really loved
Speaker 3: the whole process, the process of writing and reading it aloud.
Speaker 1: And did it feel therapeutic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely felt therapeutic. I mean I was crying
Speaker 3: when I was writing. It was a lot of just
Speaker 3: intense emotional kind of feelings. But yeah, it was. It's
Speaker 3: it's still I still you know when I see the
Speaker 3: book and its people come and ask me to sign
Speaker 3: it and everything like that, I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel proud that I we did this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because it's an opportunity for people to
Speaker 2: connect with like the truth about your life. And I
Speaker 2: imagine reading the audiobook felt like almost like it is
Speaker 2: a performance, you like, besides the singing of the lyrics
Speaker 2: and your work and this thing that people connect to
Speaker 2: it is like you reading about your life experience is
Speaker 2: its own kind of showmanship or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a lot of exposure. You know, you're
Speaker 3: exposing your life and these details that you already put
Speaker 3: out there and wrote, but then now you're going to
Speaker 3: read it. And yes, sometimes I sang sometimes I you know,
Speaker 3: figured out, Okay, I'll sing this, or I'll we'll write
Speaker 3: this and as a melody or whatever, you know. But
Speaker 3: it's it's one of my things that I've done that
Speaker 3: I'm most proud of.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would imagine too, that like the fun moments
Speaker 1: of it were probably so fun to relive. Like even
Speaker 1: like obviously it was like a tense moment, like the
Speaker 1: divas live of it all, You're getting prepared and Aretha
Speaker 1: being like Mariah, they're playing games, they're playing game, But
Speaker 1: that had to be so fun to relive in a way,
Speaker 1: like that night. Well, that's actually been mentioned on this
Speaker 1: show many times. I know.
Speaker 3: There used to be a skit. Yeah there was, yeah,
Speaker 3: you mean on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was on a Gosstyre Molly Shannon
Speaker 1: and Sherry right doing Mariah.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, oh my god, that's so fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is like truly, they don't make a show like
Speaker 2: that anymore, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, no, they don't.
Speaker 1: They have to.
Speaker 2: They have to, though, I mean.
Speaker 3: But will it will it be as big ever? I
Speaker 3: don't know. Look how long it's been a nice.
Speaker 1: Now, you know what, though, I would say it's like
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing now that you think they
Speaker 1: would reboot because they're rebooting everything. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and so much success comes with like you know,
Speaker 1: we're seeing the cast of Friends together again, Harry Potter
Speaker 1: gets back together and does an eight part whatever on HBO,
Speaker 1: Like you know, they did Mean Girls again, which I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. Like, it just feels
Speaker 1: like Diva's Live. Like obviously we can't bring everybody back,
Speaker 1: but like to have y'all come back, and like, I
Speaker 1: think I'll get together and some of the you know,
Speaker 1: new generation I think would be amazing. It could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like this has been a really
Speaker 2: banner year in like women and music, and I feel
Speaker 2: like it's it's the perfect period on the whole year
Speaker 2: for you to come back with with the Divas Live
Speaker 2: with the Diva's Like but but I'm also just saying, like,
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas and it's thirtieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like synergy there. Yeah, you are the ultimate.
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for a year when so many people
Speaker 1: have like made these amazing pop efforts and then at
Speaker 1: the end of the year there will be Mariah's thirtieth
Speaker 1: anniversary during Christmas which it doesn't get bigger.
Speaker 2: It doesn't get more timeless than that. Do you get
Speaker 2: tired of doing All I Want Christmas?
Speaker 3: As?
Speaker 1: No, No, darling.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. We were doing you know, my show
Speaker 3: in Vegas and I went out onto the stage during
Speaker 3: this one part where they we didn't do the song
Speaker 3: I was supposed to do, which was circles for me me,
Speaker 3: I mean, I do it every other night, but on
Speaker 3: this night, I was like, Okay, we're not going to
Speaker 3: do that, and you guys start playing the beginning of
Speaker 3: All I Want for Christmas is you, and I'll run
Speaker 3: out there and that's what happened. It was it was cute.
Speaker 2: You like Vegas because you keep going back because.
Speaker 3: People keep booking.
Speaker 1: And then they can come to you.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean people that work for me.
Speaker 1: Wait, now that we've talked about truggles, I have to ask.
Speaker 1: So we talked about Butterfly, and that's like a landmark,
Speaker 1: like that is like definitely, you think one of your best,
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of your fans would agree.
Speaker 1: But then there was emancipation, and of course all your
Speaker 1: albums are incredible, but emancipation, Like what did that feel
Speaker 1: like to like release that and have everyone not Not
Speaker 1: that you proved everybody wrong, but obviously there was a
Speaker 1: there was a period there where there was some tumult
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and then you come back with Emancipation,
Speaker 1: which is talk about track by track. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean your Girl I mentioned before. It's on my
Speaker 1: intermediate Maria playlist.
Speaker 4: I love that, honestly, tasteful there, you'll love it. It is tasteful,
Speaker 4: it is taste, and it's eclectic. It's a diverse, eclectic, tasteful, electic.
Speaker 3: Taste, very demure. It's mindful, not like other girl.
Speaker 1: I felt I was being mindful and putting it together
Speaker 1: years ago. Of course, Wait, what do you think about
Speaker 1: all I've ever wanted being on there? Because that's an
Speaker 1: old one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't, no, no, no, I like it.
Speaker 3: I like that song like when I think about it, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's good. It's It's not like I would do
Speaker 3: a couple of like kind of genre specific ish ones
Speaker 3: like one that with the Mimi songs that are just
Speaker 3: like your girls circles, maybe fly like I. I can't
Speaker 3: name them all now, but you know, and then Butterfly.
Speaker 1: To the Floor also that was on the other day
Speaker 1: and I was like, God.
Speaker 3: Damn to the floor, everybody to the floor.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like never released though, what do you mean,
Speaker 1: like as a single? Yeah, that album was singles, but
Speaker 1: then you went to the deluxe right, and then we
Speaker 1: got don't.
Speaker 3: Forget about Yes, I Love I Wish You Knew.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I Wish You Knew was on the No. I Wish
Speaker 2: You Knew was on that that See I listened to
Speaker 2: that song and for you to do that like arena
Speaker 2: moment where you're just like talking, I.
Speaker 3: Just did it and and uh yeah overseas as well.
Speaker 3: I knew that the album was strong.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, when it did what it did
Speaker 3: in terms of the charts and then having it go
Speaker 3: platinum and then re releasing and all that stuff, I
Speaker 3: felt so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course, is there a potential for it to be
Speaker 2: a trilogy where it's like three M C or something.
Speaker 2: You have a equals empty squared, but then you have
Speaker 2: like the Math is gonna fly the Math, the Math
Speaker 2: is flying out. I mean, I feel like there's there's
Speaker 2: something neat about it being like a three part, three
Speaker 2: three pronger, A three pronger prom like a trident triangle.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I just call it a three pronger a
Speaker 3: jingle hopper. Is there a chance of like another album
Speaker 3: with a different type of uh like naming it so well?
Speaker 2: Actually, people have drawn the comparison of Caution into like
Speaker 2: that sort of like emancipation, sort of like sound or
Speaker 2: like that like philosophy and so like, I don't do
Speaker 2: you consider Caution to be like the third installment of
Speaker 2: this or do you think like there it's coming in
Speaker 2: the future, like like, is there a vision for this?
Speaker 3: I think it's coming in the future.
Speaker 1: God, yes, Wow, that would be thrilling.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just got chills, and I hope you like it.
Speaker 1: How many times do you watch Mean Girls a week?
Speaker 3: Oh? I haven't watched it in a while.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, sometimes even your favorite movie you can't. Like
Speaker 1: I used to watch Clueless like at least twice a month,
Speaker 1: and then I have put it away from now.
Speaker 3: I need to put bring Meng Girls back and watch
Speaker 3: it tonight.
Speaker 1: Honestly, tonight, it might be the night.
Speaker 3: It might be tonight because in honor of this moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Tina was here and she's thrilled that you
Speaker 1: love Mean Girls. Home.
Speaker 2: Yes, I say you'll play that trivia game.
Speaker 1: Yes, I won. You do everything. You beat her at
Speaker 1: her own film.
Speaker 3: Beat her at her own film. We love you, Tina.
Speaker 1: What about a return to acting for you anytime soon?
Speaker 1: Because you were brilliant and precious?
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the New No?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I know, Yeah I heard all about it.
Speaker 1: What do you think about what you've heard?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a person that likes to watch horror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard and very scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want that to be in my head. No,
Speaker 3: you know I'll say no. I'll say no to that.
Speaker 1: When you go to Disney, when you go to Disney World,
Speaker 1: because we know you're a fan.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, I am.
Speaker 1: Do you do scary rides?
Speaker 3: I do Tower of Terror.
Speaker 1: It's a classic. It's so good, truly, and they better
Speaker 1: never touch it.
Speaker 2: No, you and are Grande have the same feeling of
Speaker 2: a twer of Terror. She has written an entire notes
Speaker 2: app statement, a petition basically to Disney that she she
Speaker 2: has saved and I can reveal this. She wouldn't mind
Speaker 2: me blowing up this spot. But she is like, if
Speaker 2: you do anything to Tower of Terror at Orlando, there will.
Speaker 1: Be right because they did it in La They made
Speaker 1: it the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is not bad.
Speaker 3: No, it's not bad, but it's not the Terror of Terror.
Speaker 1: It's not a classic. Yes, I see, but you can
Speaker 1: do that kind of spooky scary.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but it's also because it's a rise.
Speaker 2: But you're in it, you know you're in the spook.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Is like, I don't like scary
Speaker 1: movies at all, but I can do a hunted house
Speaker 1: because I feel like I can run away, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like when you have me on foot,
Speaker 1: I'm very spry.
Speaker 3: I'm very spry in distant and.
Speaker 1: Get away from the terror. But when I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: a chair, it feels like it's happening to you identifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Do you have top three favorite Disney rides? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Ower of Terror is up there.
Speaker 3: Tower of Terror in Orlando where I used to like,
Speaker 3: and I guess it's not there anymore. Splash Mountain, Slash Mountain.
Speaker 1: It's now Princess Tiana. Oh it is so now it's
Speaker 1: called we call it Princess Tati's by you dip It's
Speaker 1: called Princess Tiana's by You adventure and the story goes
Speaker 1: that to collect to collect ingredients and get her band
Speaker 1: together to create a performance at the end, and I
Speaker 1: hear it's cute. Jennifer Lewis is in it?
Speaker 3: Did they still let that the drop and everything?
Speaker 1: You still drop? You still you still get your frills
Speaker 1: and your thrills.
Speaker 3: Well, give it a shot, a shot, get down there.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's two, one more, one more?
Speaker 3: What else? That Disney too? Oh my gosh, well it's
Speaker 3: not Disney though.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Harry Potter, I don't know what
Speaker 3: you This.
Speaker 1: Is the NBC Universal.
Speaker 3: We love them. Yeah, I love Disney. Yay, Disney. I
Speaker 3: do all the corporation, all the corporates.
Speaker 1: No one left out out.
Speaker 2: Speaking of corporation, we have we have a very important
Speaker 2: question to ask you about two about two lyrics.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, okay. We want to say, if you
Speaker 1: have to choose one or the other of your two lyrics,
Speaker 1: these are two of our favorite lyrics that you've ever done. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's them. Chickens is ash or you will on the
Speaker 1: top Corporation the press conference, you a conversation that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is for all time, and it really does say
Speaker 1: what you need to say. I mean you or you,
Speaker 1: I'm all this, I'm a press conference, you a conversation station.
Speaker 1: So wait and by the way, just like not to
Speaker 1: call it bizarre, but that is where does that come
Speaker 1: like when you when you get that rift together, where
Speaker 1: does that come from? Because it is no one else
Speaker 1: would think of so singular. How does that come to you?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was just writing a song and
Speaker 3: that was just an ad lib. After laying it down,
Speaker 3: are you in the.
Speaker 1: Studio being like, play it back, play it back, play
Speaker 1: it back and then giving different vocals like again and
Speaker 1: again and again.
Speaker 3: Or sometimes yeah, yeah, sometimes they do that.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most fascinating part of recording, like
Speaker 1: the stacking and the harmonies and.
Speaker 3: Like that harmony is so much fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because then you get the sound that you want. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you write, are you hearing it as a full
Speaker 1: song or are you hearing the bare bones like when
Speaker 1: you when you are struck? Is it like you can hear?
Speaker 1: Is it like a turn a phrase that inspires you?
Speaker 1: Or is it like a melodic thing usually or is
Speaker 1: it always different?
Speaker 3: It's always different, but if there's just like a melody
Speaker 3: that's coming to me. And let's say I'm somebody's playing
Speaker 3: the piano and I'm like, no, play, don't don't play,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But both of those could
Speaker 3: be different, like melodically on top of each one, sure,
Speaker 3: because if you're just singing in front of the on
Speaker 3: top of the plane one, that's you just make up
Speaker 3: anything and it's easy. Something else you have to follow
Speaker 3: or work around what the keys are.
Speaker 2: Doing right, it's holding the center too much. But are
Speaker 2: you do you have any sort of synesthesia you think
Speaker 2: about like you hear a sound, but you'll send something
Speaker 2: else you see it or you feel it or does
Speaker 2: that make sense?
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's a sensory situation and you feel it
Speaker 3: and hear it. And if it's really something that's going
Speaker 3: to end up being close to your heart, then you
Speaker 3: just go in and do it.
Speaker 1: And like how often do you write? Like are you writing?
Speaker 1: Like all the time? Like let's just say, like could
Speaker 1: you write tonight?
Speaker 3: Not tonight? I mean I could, but I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm staying at a hotel. Yeah you need your atmosphere, well, yes,
Speaker 3: And it'd be nice if let's say I'm working with
Speaker 3: a bunch of different people right now. And let's say
Speaker 3: I say, oh, I want to go work with such
Speaker 3: and such from across town.
Speaker 1: Across town, Yeah, across town. I know a guy across town.
Speaker 3: I know a guy I like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all right, he'll do he's a character.
Speaker 3: He's all right, he'll do.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: No, But you know, so that's the thing I would say,
Speaker 3: let me go work with the guy from across town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really good.
Speaker 3: Let's say maybe probably keyboard players, what I usually like
Speaker 3: to work with. And then you know, we could pick
Speaker 3: up where we left off. We could write something new.
Speaker 3: You know, say I had a different idea. Could we
Speaker 3: work on this and then sing it to them?
Speaker 2: But the guys across town, yeah, you got to get there.
Speaker 2: But nobody are you going there?
Speaker 1: Is he coming to you?
Speaker 3: Probably would meet at a studio, okay, somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite studio you recorded? Like, is
Speaker 1: there like an iconic place that you go that like
Speaker 1: you feel like brings out a certain mariahis.
Speaker 3: The iconic studio of my house?
Speaker 1: There you go. I mean, we were so happy during
Speaker 1: the pandemic when you were when you were given it to.
Speaker 3: Us those rooms.
Speaker 1: Yea, so we belong together in particular. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And also wait, shout out to that thing
Speaker 1: you did recently. There was like you and Brandy together.
Speaker 3: Oh that was fun. We did the roof. Yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: I got I need to see Brandy. Hi, Brandy, where
Speaker 3: are you.
Speaker 1: She's a legend too, She's amazing. Just one of those
Speaker 1: like Alzheimer's all time. I would say, have you ever
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Kylie is one of those songs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like you hear it and you're like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: and then you actually, like you attempt to sing it.
Speaker 1: It's so ranging.
Speaker 2: But that's another because I think the beginning of that
Speaker 2: song is also.
Speaker 3: She loves to do that. Yeah, she's really She's great
Speaker 3: at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When we were working together, she was like, we were
Speaker 3: having fun stacking yeah, adding little parts.
Speaker 1: Because you guys together, your voice is together. It's extremely complimentary.
Speaker 3: Well I love her voice, yeah so much.
Speaker 2: I remember it was actually the night of the Grammys.
Speaker 2: I was with Ari and she was telling me at
Speaker 2: the time it was not officially. She was like, Mariah
Speaker 2: is gonna be on the Yes the End remix. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, my god, yes to be such a
Speaker 2: gag and then and then we saw Miley go up
Speaker 2: and then like I just remember being such a nice
Speaker 2: moment where everybody in the room was just so happy
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: It really was a nice moment. Yeah, even all the
Speaker 3: history that we have with the game.
Speaker 1: They can still make it right. They can't ever really
Speaker 1: make it right, but they could do something in the middle,
Speaker 1: like we meet that.
Speaker 3: Guy, you meet that guy, you can make it happen.
Speaker 2: Why not we have our an awards show culture awards.
Speaker 2: You do we're doing We're doing a big venue. We
Speaker 2: might give Butterfly retroactive.
Speaker 1: Why don't we.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Album of the year, Album of the year.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: We're an official awards body. We are an official awards.
Speaker 1: But you can win the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar
Speaker 1: of the Tony and the cult. It's the culture awards,
Speaker 1: the culture, the colt but your culture. Culture.
Speaker 2: So you know that.
Speaker 1: By the way, whenever you call also from that album,
Speaker 1: that is that And I mean I loved it with
Speaker 1: you and Brian, but just how it was too like
Speaker 1: that is that's like all time Ariot to me, as well,
Speaker 1: thank you, love Awake.
Speaker 2: Also, growing up, I remember there's an Irish band, west Life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love west Life. And then I mean, you have
Speaker 2: your own against all odds, you know track. But then
Speaker 2: I liked it when I really I also really enjoyed
Speaker 2: the guys.
Speaker 3: They came up to the studio in Capri where I
Speaker 3: was working. Yeah, and that's when Simon was.
Speaker 1: Simon kil It was Simon I think it was.
Speaker 3: He was their manager and they came up there and
Speaker 3: we filmed it and everything. Yeah, and they the guys
Speaker 3: did their parts and I kept mine.
Speaker 2: There's just some cute guys.
Speaker 1: They were adorable.
Speaker 2: They were adorable. And I love that video because it
Speaker 2: is like one of those and we need videos like
Speaker 2: this where it's and it's just shot in the studio everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and you belt in that song. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I love that song. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Well wait, okay, before we got to I don't think so,
Speaker 1: I have to ask one more question, which I promised
Speaker 1: myself I would ask, can you drop that grunge album?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Drop it?
Speaker 3: I'm so mad that I haven't done that yet.
Speaker 1: But you don't have to be mad because control Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: I am, But who do I drop it with and
Speaker 3: we start a label?
Speaker 1: Maybe just put it you know, it would be kind
Speaker 1: of chic if you just put it out on like
Speaker 1: a roage band or something like a grungy thing.
Speaker 3: I could do that. It's a good album.
Speaker 1: I want to hear it.
Speaker 3: Oh you haven't heard any of it.
Speaker 1: I mean we've heard, we've heard like what you allowed
Speaker 1: us to hear just those little snippets, but like we
Speaker 1: need to hear that, okay, And.
Speaker 3: The fact that you will hear that incredible. That was
Speaker 3: just like I was getting life from that. Like yeah,
Speaker 3: you could tell seriously.
Speaker 2: But that's like the prince in you. Like that's like
Speaker 2: the genre thing. It's like, oh it doesn't matter, like
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: I'm a musician.
Speaker 2: I'm an artist. I can do it in any kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: And it was jokes as well.
Speaker 1: There were lots of seeing and I want to hear
Speaker 1: what the jokes were at that time.
Speaker 3: I mean they're everlasting.
Speaker 1: They are everlasting, everlasting jokes title about Okay, so now
Speaker 1: we'll do I don't think so, honey, because I'm happy
Speaker 1: we've now convinced you to release it and we can
Speaker 1: count on it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I should no, you're right.
Speaker 1: Honestly, and just know that no one's forgotten about it
Speaker 1: after you dangled it so okay and forgot the people. Okay.
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so, honey. This is our
Speaker 1: segment that we do on this podcast each and every
Speaker 1: time where we take one minute to rant against something
Speaker 1: in pop culture that needs a ranting. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to do it because two women really tore me up
Speaker 1: this morning.
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think so, honey. Hoda copy and Jenna
Speaker 1: Bushagger making me cry this morning. And I was already
Speaker 1: feeling an emotional type of way because I knew Mariah
Speaker 1: was coming and I was so excited. And then Hodah
Speaker 1: has announced she's leaving the Today Show and her and
Speaker 1: Jenna bush Haeger sobbing at each other. Mams, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to be so legendary at us. That was so emotional.
Speaker 1: They are so real, we've met them before. They are incredible. Hoda.
Speaker 1: I support you in whatever you do, but not making
Speaker 1: me sob like this. Seriously, I was on my way
Speaker 1: to listen. I was trying to listen to Mariah get
Speaker 1: prepared and I had Hoda Coppy making everyone break down.
Speaker 1: It was like we had lost a great leader. This
Speaker 1: morning on the Today Show, all them clasping hands like
Speaker 1: they were like ready for this Titanic to go down.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, it really feels like the
Speaker 1: end of an era because it is Hoda. We love you.
Speaker 1: Please don't leave NBC Universal for good. Please come do
Speaker 1: some special reports. We love you, but also spend time
Speaker 1: with your kids and babies as it were, and we
Speaker 1: love your Hooda and we'll miss you.
Speaker 2: Every day on Today and that's one minute. I mean
Speaker 2: it was major news, Like I was like the Times,
Speaker 2: Washington Posts, they were all like breaking hoe to copy
Speaker 2: announce that she's leaving today. It's like it's a major.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a huge void A man like you
Speaker 1: take for granted Hoda every day on the Today.
Speaker 2: Show just a comfort. It was giving the broad City finale,
Speaker 2: like the two of them gay goodbye to each other.
Speaker 2: I was like, ooh these girls, Yeah, we love your
Speaker 2: Hoda and Jenna. That was a really special moment.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is Bowe Yang's I don't think so Okay,
Speaker 1: are you ready both?
Speaker 2: I am ready?
Speaker 1: This is Bowyangs don't think as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so many.
Speaker 2: Boxing Day the day after Christmas, sometimes celebrated in Canada
Speaker 2: and the US. This is the origin of Boxing Day.
Speaker 2: It was a day meant for servants and poor people
Speaker 2: so that they could get gifts. And now it's just
Speaker 2: an extra day to shop. So it's giving class. It's
Speaker 2: giving like class warfare either way you slice it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like a holiday for poor people. It's giving, separate
Speaker 2: but equal. Just lump it in with Christmas and don't
Speaker 2: extend the holidays after the twenty fifth. We're done this guest,
Speaker 2: this legend is off the clock. Don't make her work
Speaker 2: a second longer than she needs to. Just implies that,
Speaker 2: you know, oh well, then people have to make a
Speaker 2: Boxing Day album. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Twenty fifth it's over.
Speaker 3: It's curtain.
Speaker 2: The holidays are a time for joy and peace and
Speaker 2: togetherness and warmth and all these cozy things. The twenty
Speaker 2: six it's a weird I don't like it. Twelve twenty six.
Speaker 2: We're in that dead zone between then and New Year's
Speaker 2: and it should stay that well.
Speaker 1: And that's what a minute, he says on nine to
Speaker 1: twenty six New Year's overrated.
Speaker 2: New Year's overrated because it's like, you know, I had
Speaker 2: a great time to staying in the city for New
Speaker 2: Year's this past New Year's.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we stayed in the city and stuff. We
Speaker 1: usually do a trip. The trip on New Year's is always.
Speaker 3: Overrated, definitely, because you're surrounded by drug driver yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and all of that.
Speaker 1: Stay local, stay local, stay local, stay chill. Also, it's
Speaker 1: like when you're a kid in New Year's is fun
Speaker 1: because it's like you're staying up till midnight. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the novelty of that is gone.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm up till midnight each and every night.
Speaker 1: There you go. I'm not a nerd anyways. Actually, these
Speaker 1: days I am going to Okay, Mariah carey, are you ready?
Speaker 1: Do you have something on your mind? Huh, there's always
Speaker 1: is something on my excited to say. This is Mariah Carries.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. Listen. I can't with the
Speaker 3: overhead lighting. Oh why do they do it to us?
Speaker 3: Why I shouldn't even say us, because it's not us,
Speaker 3: it's me. I'm the one that gets the most torture
Speaker 3: by the hideous lighting in every elevator, doorway, gyms. You
Speaker 3: know that I go to the gym. But I'm just
Speaker 3: saying it's hideous lighting. The sun. I mean, the sun
Speaker 3: is okay if it's at sunset, and then I will
Speaker 3: gladly go outside and put the you know whatever, and
Speaker 3: that'll be pretty because it's sunlight caressing your skin. But
Speaker 3: it's bad for you, so you gotta be careful to that.
Speaker 3: But overhead lighting, I don't think so, honey, please stop it.
Speaker 3: Every place I go, I shut the lights, turn them out.
Speaker 3: I don't want to see them. No more, Yes, no more, honey,
Speaker 3: one more thing, one more thing. Overheadlighting. It makes me sick.
Speaker 1: The fact that we got varher carries. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's overhead lighting is at all.
Speaker 3: Timer.
Speaker 1: How do we do today?
Speaker 3: Which are pretty good because these are like you know,
Speaker 3: here and here I noticed.
Speaker 1: That, you know that. I said to them, really, I
Speaker 1: was like, let's get this lighting together.
Speaker 2: We cannot miss on this. You guys, I think people
Speaker 2: are catching up to you, like with the lighting.
Speaker 3: They're trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know now it's like we're gonna clue
Speaker 2: everybody in on this like a classic gay guys apartment
Speaker 2: now is no overheadlighting. It's just mood lighting and different.
Speaker 2: That's it. And it's a little sexier that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those like soft orbs around.
Speaker 2: What's what's the home? What's the home rank? Like, what's
Speaker 2: the home situation?
Speaker 3: I feel that the best way is uh recessed lighting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you're walking and it's like splash of light,
Speaker 3: splash of yeah. You know, if it's not anything more
Speaker 3: than that, that's needed.
Speaker 2: Some Yes, sumptuous, I think that's a word. If you
Speaker 2: can try to include that.
Speaker 3: After that next time.
Speaker 1: And in a song and you know throws a song.
Speaker 3: I did that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I did.
Speaker 1: Wait, there was mariahwa there was a word just now
Speaker 1: and you're out of things? Carass carressingle back. Okay, wait
Speaker 1: them babies. Are you excited to take them to see Wicked?
Speaker 3: I'm excited to hang out with them whenever I can. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like they're just always doing something else.
Speaker 2: I think thirteen, yes, now you had them on to
Speaker 2: last year though, yeah I did.
Speaker 3: They were twelve.
Speaker 2: They were twelve now, but another teens or teens now.
Speaker 3: I know, I can't think about it, I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to rant again.
Speaker 1: The dem babies are teens.
Speaker 2: This is so sublime. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't say enough, like like I said,
Speaker 1: like I think you're so much of the reason why
Speaker 1: like I am who I am. And thank you so
Speaker 1: much for everything that you've given, of your talent, of
Speaker 1: your gift, of your songwriting. I mean, we could sit
Speaker 1: here and talk to you forever. You really are just
Speaker 1: the best and you will always be that for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy to meet you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: The way you've shaped the culture and the industry and
Speaker 2: the way you've shown people how to navigate it is
Speaker 2: truly invaluable. And we all there's a hero.
Speaker 1: We end every episode with a song. Oh and actually
Speaker 1: this one, I really want more respect on this oay, okay,
Speaker 1: dream of rescume than me, than me thing me and
Speaker 1: for the rest of that you can listen to that's
Speaker 1: not to see record by. Do not let this knowledge
Speaker 1: them O my god.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang
Speaker 1: executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sonni.
Speaker 2: Produced by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Duck Baby and
Speaker 2: Nikla Board.
Speaker 1: And our music is by Henry Komirski. Hey everybody, it's
Speaker 1: me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets are on sale
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