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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets

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Speaker 1: are on sale now to see me on tour, the

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Speaker 1: Prince of Christmas Tour, that is, I'm doing my whole

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Speaker 1: album have you Heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more

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Speaker 1: with the whole band all throughout the December. Go to

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Speaker 1: www dot Matt rodgersoficial dot com to see me in

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Speaker 1: a city near you. And now lost culch drums, look mare,

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Speaker 1: oh I see you and look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow,

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Speaker 1: lost Cultu ding Dong Lost Cultures. And this feels like

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Speaker 1: the culmination. I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 2: I think we pack it up after this.

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Speaker 1: After this, it's to the graveyard with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to all the haters, y'all want, Yeah, y'all want.

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Speaker 2: And also it's fine and we did. We did the

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Speaker 2: thing we needed to do for our life to be complete.

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Speaker 2: We've peaked personally, professionally, journalistically.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we'reving a festive moment today in honor of

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Speaker 1: our guest. It is, of course September twenty sixth at

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Speaker 1: this time of recording.

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Speaker 2: So it's not yet.

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Speaker 1: It's not yet on not yet, because it's really not yet.

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Speaker 2: It's really not yet, but as we approach, it's t word,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just the anticipation is building. I am

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Speaker 2: just even donning this Princess Diana sweater, yeah, with the

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Speaker 2: Lamiley on it, as it were, I'm feeling the festive

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Speaker 2: spirit even though it's not yet.

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Speaker 1: So those who know the real ones know, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: want to take you back. It's April eleventh, two thousand

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Speaker 1: in Madison Square Garden, my very first concert of my

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Speaker 1: entire life. My parents got me for my birthday Mariah

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Speaker 1: Carey The Rainbow Tour, which really was a narrative about

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Speaker 1: trying to hunt down Bianca. Yes, I do want to

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Speaker 1: find that if we ever got the word, that b word,

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Speaker 1: the character from perhaps the greatest music video of all time.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other day, I'm digging in my artifacts

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Speaker 1: and I find this. So this is big cassette Singoriah

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Speaker 1: Carry Boys to Men One Sweet Day, which I would

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Speaker 1: play the f out in the car with my mother

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Speaker 1: on Long Islands. And to say that this is wish

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Speaker 1: fulfillment is beyond because this podcast exists, and we of

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Speaker 1: course ask all of our guests what was the culture

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Speaker 1: that made me? Say? Culture was for me?

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Speaker 3: For me?

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Speaker 1: That is our guest, and I cannot believe you're here.

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Speaker 1: We did meet briefly at Peloton. Yes, it was not

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Speaker 1: necessarily an exchange of words. It was more an exchange

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Speaker 1: of what would you support?

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Speaker 2: I think I think you helped our guests down from

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Speaker 2: the podium, from which she said it's T word that, Yes,

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Speaker 2: the tea word being time, the T word being time.

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Speaker 2: But it was a perfect prelude to this moment, which

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Speaker 2: I think has been in the stars, destined for time eternal.

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Speaker 1: It's a major moment. I'm gonna make it through. I

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Speaker 1: can make it through the rain. You can through the rain,

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Speaker 1: eventual tears. But as a card carrying, platinum card carrying

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Speaker 1: member of the Lamily, and I know I speak for

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Speaker 1: so many people that are listening and watching this right now.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to welcome the greatest of all time,

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carries. You really are here.

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Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm here, the prequel to It's time, right, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's the not yet right yeah, And then maybe I'm

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Speaker 3: just like waving up at the world, going I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Is it ever too? When do you start decorating? I wonder?

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Speaker 3: I wait, you wait, yeah, actually I wait till I'm

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Speaker 3: done with the tour. Yeah, okay, and then it's tree ornaments.

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Speaker 3: I like your ornaments.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's from the Amazon Music collaboration with Mariah On

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Speaker 2: October thirty. First go to amazon dot com Flash Variah Care.

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Speaker 2: You can buy ornaments snow Globes Exclusive tour merchant a pair.

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Speaker 2: I mean, talk about the snow globe is what how

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Speaker 2: did you pick out the scenery and the dioramas of

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Speaker 3: Yes, the diamas the diroma is vocabulary. My gosh, you

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Speaker 3: guys win. So the snow globes with the EMC logo

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Speaker 3: and the it's glittery snow, I would call that right,

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Speaker 3: glittery snow. And that's my little caricature of me and

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Speaker 3: some reindeer, and I just I thought it would look

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Speaker 2: Adornment Coco, the adorn Every time I use a word

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Speaker 1: You know, you're you're a vocabulary legend, your vocabulary, your

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Speaker 3: Mean, I kind of like used to be, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the word is. I just say,

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Speaker 1: Where you go? You know that you really had me

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Speaker 1: saying the word nonchalantly in third grade, Like people are like, hey, Matt,

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Speaker 1: nonchalant about it just because of your songs.

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Speaker 3: I listened to that the other day and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm trying to be nonchalant about it.

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Speaker 1: Who did I think I was?

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Speaker 2: I was using incessant before I even knew what the

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Speaker 3: The rhyme I got away with and not for.

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Speaker 1: Nothing, but incessantly in a number one hit song, they're

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Speaker 1: they're not. No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I think you know in this TikTok age, it's like

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Speaker 3: In there, right. The lee's get them, the lees, the

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Speaker 2: But I think the lees rhymes with the mees. And

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Speaker 2: I feel like you are singing from your point of view,

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Speaker 3: Piece, you know, the puzzle piece.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were wading in Vanity Fair in this recent

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Speaker 1: By Rob Ledoni, friend of mine, friend of friend of.

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Speaker 2: Cod It's been six years since Caution, and yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I believe that one of my favorite albums in the last.

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Speaker 1: Decade, brilliant, truly, truly, truly.

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Speaker 3: It didn't get the push and promotion that it deserved.

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Speaker 1: That was bangers on Bangers? I was. I remember it

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Speaker 1: like that was really focused on your songwriting and it

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Speaker 1: with my friend Mariah Smith. Oh yeah, so it was

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Speaker 1: album was total fire and it really was. That conversation

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Speaker 1: And so when we're asking about the new music, I

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am writing now. But the more I talk

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Speaker 3: Everybody gets mad at me because they're like, why are

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Speaker 1: No, they just need to let you work. It just

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Speaker 1: does feel like, you know, six years we already twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five is the year I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It, and I will concur. Okay, I have a concur.

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Speaker 2: It concurs, not a commitment, like if it gets pushed,

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Speaker 3: Yes, it really does need to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we agree. We are over here agreeing. We

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Speaker 2: had Caution on during a drive up state I remember

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Speaker 2: in twenty eight Yeah, and it was just like damn

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Speaker 2: every track, you know. I mean, I feel like you

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Speaker 2: are clearly working with these collaborators that you love, like

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Speaker 2: you're Jermane Deuprits and you're R. Michael Cox's. But it's like,

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Speaker 2: Because if I imagine that this process is like capturing

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, Well, it takes a while. I run it down

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Speaker 3: there's about five words that I want to redo the

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Speaker 2: And that's a different process from like the songwriting of it,

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, because you're famously stacked. He's famously stacked.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's because it's so important to write this

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Speaker 3: and it's part of the process to do that, like

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Speaker 3: It actually went. The whole thing is sort of like

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Speaker 3: yeah and humming to him the you know.

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Speaker 1: So it just it's wild that that can come to

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Speaker 1: lou then becomes that thing that like really hits hard

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Speaker 1: and maybe something you work on for a very long time, like.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't doesn't get to that point. Yeah, Well, I wasn't

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Speaker 3: An anthemic heroic moment. Was it wasn't searching for that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it you know, it kind of happened what arrived.

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Speaker 3: But then some songs I am working on, you know, longer,

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Speaker 3: and and maybe I'll end up liking them better, like

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Speaker 3: a song like Fly Like a Bird, Like I love

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Speaker 3: that song, and yet it's not Hero in terms of

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Speaker 3: I still love and it's a Grammy winner.

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Speaker 1: You don't have enough of those. By the way, five.

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Speaker 3: They play with toy with me.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask, what's a better vocal performance in terms

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Speaker 1: end breakdown of Heartbreaker? I really want to get into this.

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Speaker 1: There's four different like vocal lines of you coming on

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Speaker 1: Yes, that includes the Turkey Day of course. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: festive for Christmas, Yes, yes, for the July well yes, First,

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Speaker 3: I have a song called for this.

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Speaker 1: Know, right, we're talking about about Vanishing just over there

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Speaker 2: more the more nervous you are, which is it shouldn't

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00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: work that way. It should work in these it's like, oh,

437
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: it's you should be more comfortable. And yet like something

438
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: about like being on display or just having your work

439
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: be like celebrating. I'm talking about your work be celebrated.

440
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 2: It must mean that, like there is this comfort that

441
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: people are expecting from you, and it's a lot to

442
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: provide that, I imagine, especially.

443
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: So early on in one's career, right, you know, did you.

444
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: Feel like it was very fast? Because in the book

445
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: you talk about sort of it was only a few

446
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: years into your career that it was the Tokyo Show

447
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: that you really realized just how international and how big

448
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: you were. But before that it was not.

449
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: Well because the Tokyo Show was in a gigantic Tokyo

450
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: don't was ginormous? Yeah, so you know, I found myself

451
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: there and it wasn't like being at even like on

452
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live, which is bigger in many ways, but this.

453
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Was spatially huge and across the world. Right, Yes, you know,

454
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: that's totally different type of fan probably responding in a

455
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: different way. Were they a very like engaged crowd, did

456
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: they know the words in their own way or.

457
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: Well, my experience at that time was that everybody had

458
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: to kind of be polite. People in Japan were very polite,

459
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 3: and so it was like, you know, I would sing

460
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: whatever the song was, and then it would just be Yeah,

461
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: we're done punctuated, And somebody came up to me and said, like,

462
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: please don't think that we're not appreciative of your music.

463
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 3: This is just our culture. And how you know it

464
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: was so nice that they did that because I'm sitting

465
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: there like, I don't know.

466
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: I think it was that the show too where or

467
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: maybe that maybe not that show, but there was another

468
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: show where you were trying to teach the crowd always

469
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: be my Baby. I think you performed it for the

470
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: first time.

471
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: I think it was that one.

472
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: It was and that you were trying to get them

473
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: to do it, and they were just like, we're not.

474
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: I can't match that. You can't match the.

475
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Three probably another one of your greatest ever.

476
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

477
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: How do you feel about just this standard now in

478
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: the industry and the music industry that you've set, which

479
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: is or this convention really where it's like a beautiful

480
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: vocal can be paired with a great hip hop feature,

481
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, like those two things are complimentary, which I mean,

482
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: no one at the time that you sort of innovated

483
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: on that thought would work at all.

484
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: Fantasy Heartbreaker pioneered that.

485
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was I mean, there there were other there

486
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: are other ones too. I'm trying to think of all

487
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: the records I did, like with Jada Kis at the time,

488
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that was definitely unexpected.

489
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: That is such a huge part of your legacy. Like

490
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: how does that sit with you? Watching literally everybody sort

491
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: of follow the blueprint that you've set.

492
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting, but I you know, I didn't even

493
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: say o dB, which you know, fantasy probably the biggest,

494
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: one of the biggest. Yes, absolutely, And I really I

495
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: wanted so much to work with hip hop artists. I

496
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: really did. I wanted to do my thing and then

497
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: be able to listen to their vocals. Yeah, you know

498
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so then luckily I was able

499
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: to do it. But a lot of people told me, oh,

500
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: this could be the end of your career, you know,

501
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: don't do.

502
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: This, that the world's had to be separate. Yeah, M

503
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: so crazy now because the music it feels like what

504
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: is genre?

505
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: Right?

506
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, yes, it's wild like you see like you know,

507
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: with Beyonce's album Cowboy Carter, Like, yes, it's country, but

508
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: it's also rockets, also Americana, it's pop, it's all these things.

509
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: Now it feels like if you're not blending genre, what

510
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: are you doing right?

511
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: And having that moment at the GRAMM is with you

512
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: in Miley last this year fell like such a perfect

513
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: encapsulation of that too, and it makes me, it makes

514
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: everyone really excited for whenever the new stuff is coming.

515
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: Not to bring it back to this, but it's like,

516
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: I think you can. You're really going to take advantage

517
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: of this.

518
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: Sort of Yeah, I agree, And I loved that moment

519
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: with Miley was amazing. She was so great and she

520
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: sent me flowers, Yeah, send me beautiful flowers after that,

521
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, she's incredible.

522
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: When she gave you your props there, I mean like

523
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: she was like, no, you have to stay right here.

524
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: I think because I would imagine that she looks up

525
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: to you and like feels indebted to you for what

526
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: you've done, as everyone does and should. Mariah Carey, we

527
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: have to ask you the question that's the centerpiece of

528
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: our podcast, the centerpiece of the centerpiece of this snow globe,

529
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: the Christmas snow globe of our podcast, Mariah carry what

530
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say? Culture was for you?

531
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: That formative pop culture, whether it be music, movies, it

532
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: can be anything that you can look back and be

533
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: like Mariah was becoming Mariah because of that thing.

534
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: Well, there's a few things, Yes, give it to us,

535
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: I would have to say, looking at from the time

536
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: I was little little Michael Jackson when he was a kid, yes, yeah,

537
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: and then when he did like on Motown twenty five,

538
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: when he was there making like history, not the album,

539
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: but making history, you know, just being himself being on

540
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: their moonwalking and doing everything. I mean, it was just

541
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: a moment where everybody was just watching that.

542
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

543
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: And also Prince. I love Prince and it's so sad

544
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: that he's no longer with us. Yeah, I still listen

545
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: to Prince all the time, and yeah, I would say,

546
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: like little Red Corvette, Yes, so good. And then you know,

547
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: my mother always loved Marilyn Monroe and I walked into

548
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: her room one time and she was watching like when

549
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: they would do those talking about like Marilyn was this

550
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: and that, because she had passed away eight years ago,

551
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: and she was watching one of those retrospectives and at

552
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: that point they were looking at gentlemen prefer blonde and

553
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know who she was. I just saw this

554
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: like doll like woman and I was like, oh, my gosh.

555
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: And I was a kid and my mother told me

556
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: who she was, and then from then on I was

557
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: a huge fan of hers and looked up all her

558
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: you know, stuff from her life, books about her, books

559
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: by Norman Mayler. Yeah, just like incredible.

560
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: So that's that's three very good answers.

561
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like the thing that ties them

562
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: all together too, is they all have such iconography, you

563
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like you look at them and

564
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: you say, that's Marilyn. There's only one that's Prince. There's

565
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: only one that's Michael. There's only one and you see

566
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: you think of him doing the moonwalk, and you immediately

567
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: that's a monoculture moment.

568
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: And so do you.

569
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Think that that imprinting on them had something to do

570
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: with the fact that you felt like almost othered and

571
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: that you would grow to be You knew you could

572
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: grow to become an individual, and there was something about

573
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: them being so singular that you identified with.

574
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: I promised myself I would grow to be someone that

575
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: had a successful career. Yeah, because I did feel so

576
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: othered and being of mixed race, coming from a family

577
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: that was very dysfunctional, that was a difficult road for me.

578
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: And so I kind of had to adapt this this

579
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: strength that was like, you know, I'm going to do this.

580
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell anybody that I'm going to

581
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: do this, but this is what I'm going to do.

582
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Move in silence, geez do it? Yeah, moving silence until

583
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: we're using and then we're actually taking up.

584
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, between the three of those, it's like there's

585
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: there's vocal trademark, there's artistic trademark, there's esthetic trademark. It's

586
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: like and those and those all kind of converge in

587
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: you and like, I mean, you really are just a singular,

588
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: all time great person and who's created all this joy.

589
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, you've created this world and

590
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: this feeling that people will never detach from, that will

591
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: always carry with them.

592
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: Hm.

593
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: That's really it's really incredible.

594
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think Also people don't realize how tough

595
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: Long Island. Yeah, talk about the Long Islan all. I mean,

596
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: like it is though, like you know what I mean,

597
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: like it's like Wrong Island. Baby. Are you a seafood person?

598
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: I know you love your linguini with white clam sauce.

599
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: I do. That was my dad's recipe. That's why why

600
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: what do you think I'm just like, it's a Long

601
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Island thing.

602
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're by the sea where in Long

603
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm from Icelip, but my parents grew up in Lindenhurst,

604
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: so I'm a south shore kid. Yeah, Okay, why do

605
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: you laugh?

606
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: I laugh because I had such a traumatic experience growing

607
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: up in a place that's so racist, and that was

608
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: a thing where, you know, my mother always wanted to live.

609
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: There are different places around there and I and I

610
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: had to be there. So I did love.

611
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: It right to the point where, like, you know, you go, oh,

612
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: the struggles that I've been through sort of define who

613
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: I am. But it's like there are you. There are

614
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: certain things and experiences and settings in life where you

615
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: go I could have I think I could have done

616
00:32:59,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: without that.

617
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah a few.

618
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's a good bleak about but you

619
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: read the book. But like, I honestly think it's so

620
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: important that you speak so truthfully about that stuff because

621
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: I think when we listen to your music, like when

622
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: we listen to the song outside and we listened to

623
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Close my Eyes, and this is stuff that you really

624
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: opened up about in Butterfly and had maybe sort of

625
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: hinted at in your earlier work but never really got

626
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: into the darkness, and then you started to let us

627
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: in in reading the book. That's just it obviously had

628
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: to be painful to be explicit about those things, and

629
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: also to know that there's other people's you know, feelings,

630
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: and that people are gonna have opinions about what you say.

631
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: But it's so important to be so truthful because I mean,

632
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: people feel seen by it, and I want to know, like,

633
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: do you feel like you felt like a reconnection to

634
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: your fans again who had already felt that way about

635
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: your music and then the book made them come back,

636
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: and like was it even more emotional? Hmmm?

637
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: I loved writing the book. I collaborated with Michaela Angela

638
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: Davis and she's awesome. I mean, when I read the

639
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: book for the audio, you know, for Audible, it was

640
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: eleven hours of rereading the book. So all the time

641
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: you know, spent writing the book and then reading it

642
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: over and having you know, what's the guy that comes

643
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: and the editor, Yes, James is his name, Hi James,

644
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, just going through this stuff with the editor

645
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: and and doing all that and then being like I'm

646
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 3: gonna spend eleven hours doing this, you know, speaking this book,

647
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: and it was right at the beginning of COVID and

648
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: so that was that. And yeah, I actually really loved

649
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: the whole process, the process of writing and reading it aloud.

650
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: And did it feel therapeutic.

651
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely felt therapeutic. I mean I was crying

652
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: when I was writing. It was a lot of just

653
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: intense emotional kind of feelings. But yeah, it was. It's

654
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: it's still I still you know when I see the

655
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: book and its people come and ask me to sign

656
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: it and everything like that, I'm just like, you know,

657
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: I feel proud that I we did this.

658
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because it's an opportunity for people to

659
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: connect with like the truth about your life. And I

660
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: imagine reading the audiobook felt like almost like it is

661
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: a performance, you like, besides the singing of the lyrics

662
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: and your work and this thing that people connect to

663
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: it is like you reading about your life experience is

664
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: its own kind of showmanship or something.

665
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a lot of exposure. You know, you're

666
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: exposing your life and these details that you already put

667
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: out there and wrote, but then now you're going to

668
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: read it. And yes, sometimes I sang sometimes I you know,

669
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: figured out, Okay, I'll sing this, or I'll we'll write

670
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: this and as a melody or whatever, you know. But

671
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: it's it's one of my things that I've done that

672
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm most proud of.

673
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would imagine too, that like the fun moments

674
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: of it were probably so fun to relive. Like even

675
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: like obviously it was like a tense moment, like the

676
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: divas live of it all, You're getting prepared and Aretha

677
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: being like Mariah, they're playing games, they're playing game, But

678
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: that had to be so fun to relive in a way,

679
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: like that night. Well, that's actually been mentioned on this

680
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: show many times. I know.

681
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: There used to be a skit. Yeah there was, yeah,

682
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: you mean on Saturday.

683
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was on a Gosstyre Molly Shannon

684
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: and Sherry right doing Mariah.

685
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, oh my god, that's so fun. Yeah,

686
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: that is like truly, they don't make a show like

687
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: that anymore, you.

688
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, no, they don't.

689
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: They have to.

690
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: They have to, though, I mean.

691
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: But will it will it be as big ever? I

692
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: don't know. Look how long it's been a nice.

693
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: Now, you know what, though, I would say it's like

694
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing now that you think they

695
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: would reboot because they're rebooting everything. Yeah, you know what

696
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and so much success comes with like you know,

697
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: we're seeing the cast of Friends together again, Harry Potter

698
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: gets back together and does an eight part whatever on HBO,

699
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, they did Mean Girls again, which I

700
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. Like, it just feels

701
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: like Diva's Live. Like obviously we can't bring everybody back,

702
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: but like to have y'all come back, and like, I

703
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: think I'll get together and some of the you know,

704
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: new generation I think would be amazing. It could be.

705
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like this has been a really

706
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: banner year in like women and music, and I feel

707
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: like it's it's the perfect period on the whole year

708
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: for you to come back with with the Divas Live

709
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: with the Diva's Like but but I'm also just saying, like,

710
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas and it's thirtieth anniversary.

711
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like synergy there. Yeah, you are the ultimate.

712
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: We've been waiting for a year when so many people

713
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: have like made these amazing pop efforts and then at

714
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the end of the year there will be Mariah's thirtieth

715
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: anniversary during Christmas which it doesn't get bigger.

716
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't get more timeless than that. Do you get

717
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: tired of doing All I Want Christmas?

718
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: As?

719
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: No, No, darling.

720
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 3: It's so funny. We were doing you know, my show

721
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: in Vegas and I went out onto the stage during

722
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: this one part where they we didn't do the song

723
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: I was supposed to do, which was circles for me me,

724
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I do it every other night, but on

725
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: this night, I was like, Okay, we're not going to

726
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: do that, and you guys start playing the beginning of

727
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: All I Want for Christmas is you, and I'll run

728
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: out there and that's what happened. It was it was cute.

729
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: You like Vegas because you keep going back because.

730
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: People keep booking.

731
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: And then they can come to you.

732
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean people that work for me.

733
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Wait, now that we've talked about truggles, I have to ask.

734
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: So we talked about Butterfly, and that's like a landmark,

735
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: like that is like definitely, you think one of your best,

736
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of your fans would agree.

737
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: But then there was emancipation, and of course all your

738
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: albums are incredible, but emancipation, Like what did that feel

739
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: like to like release that and have everyone not Not

740
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: that you proved everybody wrong, but obviously there was a

741
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: there was a period there where there was some tumult

742
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and then you come back with Emancipation,

743
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: which is talk about track by track. Oh my god,

744
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: I mean your Girl I mentioned before. It's on my

745
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: intermediate Maria playlist.

746
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: I love that, honestly, tasteful there, you'll love it. It is tasteful,

747
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: it is taste, and it's eclectic. It's a diverse, eclectic, tasteful, electic.

748
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 3: Taste, very demure. It's mindful, not like other girl.

749
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: I felt I was being mindful and putting it together

750
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: years ago. Of course, Wait, what do you think about

751
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: all I've ever wanted being on there? Because that's an

752
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: old one.

753
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't, no, no, no, I like it.

754
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: I like that song like when I think about it, Yeah, yeah,

755
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: it's it's good. It's It's not like I would do

756
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: a couple of like kind of genre specific ish ones

757
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: like one that with the Mimi songs that are just

758
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: like your girls circles, maybe fly like I. I can't

759
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: name them all now, but you know, and then Butterfly.

760
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: To the Floor also that was on the other day

761
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, God.

762
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 3: Damn to the floor, everybody to the floor.

763
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like never released though, what do you mean,

764
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: like as a single? Yeah, that album was singles, but

765
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: then you went to the deluxe right, and then we

766
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: got don't.

767
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: Forget about Yes, I Love I Wish You Knew.

768
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: No.

769
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: I Wish You Knew was on the No. I Wish

770
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: You Knew was on that that See I listened to

771
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: that song and for you to do that like arena

772
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: moment where you're just like talking, I.

773
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: Just did it and and uh yeah overseas as well.

774
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 3: I knew that the album was strong.

775
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, when it did what it did

777
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: in terms of the charts and then having it go

778
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: platinum and then re releasing and all that stuff, I

779
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: felt so good.

780
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

781
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: Of course, is there a potential for it to be

782
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: a trilogy where it's like three M C or something.

783
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: You have a equals empty squared, but then you have

784
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: like the Math is gonna fly the Math, the Math

785
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: is flying out. I mean, I feel like there's there's

786
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: something neat about it being like a three part, three

787
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: three pronger, A three pronger prom like a trident triangle.

788
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I just call it a three pronger a

789
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: jingle hopper. Is there a chance of like another album

790
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: with a different type of uh like naming it so well?

791
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: Actually, people have drawn the comparison of Caution into like

792
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: that sort of like emancipation, sort of like sound or

793
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: like that like philosophy and so like, I don't do

794
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: you consider Caution to be like the third installment of

795
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: this or do you think like there it's coming in

796
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: the future, like like, is there a vision for this?

797
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: I think it's coming in the future.

798
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: God, yes, Wow, that would be thrilling.

799
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I just got chills, and I hope you like it.

800
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: How many times do you watch Mean Girls a week?

801
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: Oh? I haven't watched it in a while.

802
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, sometimes even your favorite movie you can't. Like

803
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: I used to watch Clueless like at least twice a month,

804
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: and then I have put it away from now.

805
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: I need to put bring Meng Girls back and watch

806
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: it tonight.

807
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Honestly, tonight, it might be the night.

808
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: It might be tonight because in honor of this moment.

809
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Tina was here and she's thrilled that you

810
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: love Mean Girls. Home.

811
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: Yes, I say you'll play that trivia game.

812
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I won. You do everything. You beat her at

813
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: her own film.

814
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: Beat her at her own film. We love you, Tina.

815
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: What about a return to acting for you anytime soon?

816
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: Because you were brilliant and precious?

817
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: Thank you.

818
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: Did you watch the New No?

819
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: I didn't. I know, Yeah I heard all about it.

820
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: What do you think about what you've heard?

821
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a person that likes to watch horror.

822
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard and very scary.

823
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want that to be in my head. No,

824
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 3: you know I'll say no. I'll say no to that.

825
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: When you go to Disney, when you go to Disney World,

826
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: because we know you're a fan.

827
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: Uh huh, I am.

828
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: Do you do scary rides?

829
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: I do Tower of Terror.

830
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: It's a classic. It's so good, truly, and they better

831
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: never touch it.

832
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: No, you and are Grande have the same feeling of

833
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: a twer of Terror. She has written an entire notes

834
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: app statement, a petition basically to Disney that she she

835
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: has saved and I can reveal this. She wouldn't mind

836
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: me blowing up this spot. But she is like, if

837
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: you do anything to Tower of Terror at Orlando, there will.

838
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: Be right because they did it in La They made

839
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: it the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is not bad.

840
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: No, it's not bad, but it's not the Terror of Terror.

841
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: It's not a classic. Yes, I see, but you can

842
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: do that kind of spooky scary.

843
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but it's also because it's a rise.

844
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: But you're in it, you know you're in the spook.

845
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Is like, I don't like scary

846
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: movies at all, but I can do a hunted house

847
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: because I feel like I can run away, you know

848
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like when you have me on foot,

849
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm very spry.

850
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm very spry in distant and.

851
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: Get away from the terror. But when I'm sitting in

852
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: a chair, it feels like it's happening to you identifying.

853
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you.

854
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: Do you have top three favorite Disney rides? Oh my god,

855
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Ower of Terror is up there.

856
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: Tower of Terror in Orlando where I used to like,

857
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: and I guess it's not there anymore. Splash Mountain, Slash Mountain.

858
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: It's now Princess Tiana. Oh it is so now it's

859
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: called we call it Princess Tati's by you dip It's

860
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: called Princess Tiana's by You adventure and the story goes

861
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: that to collect to collect ingredients and get her band

862
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: together to create a performance at the end, and I

863
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: hear it's cute. Jennifer Lewis is in it?

864
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: Did they still let that the drop and everything?

865
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: You still drop? You still you still get your frills

866
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: and your thrills.

867
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: Well, give it a shot, a shot, get down there.

868
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's two, one more, one more?

869
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: What else? That Disney too? Oh my gosh, well it's

870
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: not Disney though.

871
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: What is it?

872
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Harry Potter, I don't know what

873
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 3: you This.

874
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Is the NBC Universal.

875
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: We love them. Yeah, I love Disney. Yay, Disney. I

876
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: do all the corporation, all the corporates.

877
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: No one left out out.

878
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: Speaking of corporation, we have we have a very important

879
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: question to ask you about two about two lyrics.

880
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, okay. We want to say, if you

881
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: have to choose one or the other of your two lyrics,

882
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: these are two of our favorite lyrics that you've ever done. Okay,

883
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: it's them. Chickens is ash or you will on the

884
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: top Corporation the press conference, you a conversation that one. Yeah,

885
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: that is for all time, and it really does say

886
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: what you need to say. I mean you or you,

887
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm all this, I'm a press conference, you a conversation station.

888
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: So wait and by the way, just like not to

889
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: call it bizarre, but that is where does that come

890
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: like when you when you get that rift together, where

891
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: does that come from? Because it is no one else

892
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: would think of so singular. How does that come to you?

893
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I was just writing a song and

894
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: that was just an ad lib. After laying it down,

895
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: are you in the.

896
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Studio being like, play it back, play it back, play

897
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: it back and then giving different vocals like again and

898
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: again and again.

899
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: Or sometimes yeah, yeah, sometimes they do that.

900
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: I think that's the most fascinating part of recording, like

901
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: the stacking and the harmonies and.

902
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: Like that harmony is so much fun.

903
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because then you get the sound that you want. Yes. Yeah.

904
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: When you write, are you hearing it as a full

905
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: song or are you hearing the bare bones like when

906
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: you when you are struck? Is it like you can hear?

907
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: Is it like a turn a phrase that inspires you?

908
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Or is it like a melodic thing usually or is

909
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: it always different?

910
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: It's always different, but if there's just like a melody

911
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: that's coming to me. And let's say I'm somebody's playing

912
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: the piano and I'm like, no, play, don't don't play,

913
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But both of those could

914
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: be different, like melodically on top of each one, sure,

915
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: because if you're just singing in front of the on

916
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: top of the plane one, that's you just make up

917
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: anything and it's easy. Something else you have to follow

918
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: or work around what the keys are.

919
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: Doing right, it's holding the center too much. But are

920
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: you do you have any sort of synesthesia you think

921
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: about like you hear a sound, but you'll send something

922
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: else you see it or you feel it or does

923
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 2: that make sense?

924
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's a sensory situation and you feel it

925
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: and hear it. And if it's really something that's going

926
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: to end up being close to your heart, then you

927
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: just go in and do it.

928
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: And like how often do you write? Like are you writing?

929
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Like all the time? Like let's just say, like could

930
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: you write tonight?

931
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: Not tonight? I mean I could, but I'm like, no,

932
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: I'm staying at a hotel. Yeah you need your atmosphere, well, yes,

933
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: And it'd be nice if let's say I'm working with

934
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 3: a bunch of different people right now. And let's say

935
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 3: I say, oh, I want to go work with such

936
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: and such from across town.

937
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Across town, Yeah, across town. I know a guy across town.

938
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: I know a guy I like him.

939
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all right, he'll do he's a character.

940
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: He's all right, he'll do.

941
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: No.

942
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: No, But you know, so that's the thing I would say,

943
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 3: let me go work with the guy from across town.

944
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, really good.

945
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: Let's say maybe probably keyboard players, what I usually like

946
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: to work with. And then you know, we could pick

947
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: up where we left off. We could write something new.

948
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: You know, say I had a different idea. Could we

949
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: work on this and then sing it to them?

950
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: But the guys across town, yeah, you got to get there.

951
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: But nobody are you going there?

952
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Is he coming to you?

953
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: Probably would meet at a studio, okay, somewhere in the middle.

954
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite studio you recorded? Like, is

955
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: there like an iconic place that you go that like

956
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: you feel like brings out a certain mariahis.

957
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: The iconic studio of my house?

958
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: There you go. I mean, we were so happy during

959
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: the pandemic when you were when you were given it to.

960
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: Us those rooms.

961
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: Yea, so we belong together in particular. That was amazing.

962
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: Thank you. And also wait, shout out to that thing

963
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: you did recently. There was like you and Brandy together.

964
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 3: Oh that was fun. We did the roof. Yes, yeah, yes,

965
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: I got I need to see Brandy. Hi, Brandy, where

966
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: are you.

967
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: She's a legend too, She's amazing. Just one of those

968
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: like Alzheimer's all time. I would say, have you ever

969
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Kylie is one of those songs.

970
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

971
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,479
Speaker 1: It's like you hear it and you're like, oh wow,

972
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: and then you actually, like you attempt to sing it.

973
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: It's so ranging.

974
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: But that's another because I think the beginning of that

975
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: song is also.

976
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: She loves to do that. Yeah, she's really She's great

977
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: at that.

978
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

979
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: When we were working together, she was like, we were

980
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: having fun stacking yeah, adding little parts.

981
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: Because you guys together, your voice is together. It's extremely complimentary.

982
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: Well I love her voice, yeah so much.

983
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: I remember it was actually the night of the Grammys.

984
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: I was with Ari and she was telling me at

985
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: the time it was not officially. She was like, Mariah

986
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: is gonna be on the Yes the End remix. I

987
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: was like, oh, my god, yes to be such a

988
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: gag and then and then we saw Miley go up

989
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 2: and then like I just remember being such a nice

990
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: moment where everybody in the room was just so happy

991
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: for you.

992
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 3: It really was a nice moment. Yeah, even all the

993
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: history that we have with the game.

994
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: They can still make it right. They can't ever really

995
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: make it right, but they could do something in the middle,

996
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: like we meet that.

997
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: Guy, you meet that guy, you can make it happen.

998
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Why not we have our an awards show culture awards.

999
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: You do we're doing We're doing a big venue. We

1000
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: might give Butterfly retroactive.

1001
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: Why don't we.

1002
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's amazing.

1003
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: Album of the year, Album of the year.

1004
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna do that.

1005
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: We're an official awards body. We are an official awards.

1006
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: But you can win the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar

1007
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: of the Tony and the cult. It's the culture awards,

1008
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: the culture, the colt but your culture. Culture.

1009
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: So you know that.

1010
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: By the way, whenever you call also from that album,

1011
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: that is that And I mean I loved it with

1012
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: you and Brian, but just how it was too like

1013
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: that is that's like all time Ariot to me, as well,

1014
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: thank you, love Awake.

1015
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 2: Also, growing up, I remember there's an Irish band, west Life. Yeah,

1016
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: I love west Life. And then I mean, you have

1017
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: your own against all odds, you know track. But then

1018
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: I liked it when I really I also really enjoyed

1019
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: the guys.

1020
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: They came up to the studio in Capri where I

1021
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: was working. Yeah, and that's when Simon was.

1022
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: Simon kil It was Simon I think it was.

1023
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: He was their manager and they came up there and

1024
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 3: we filmed it and everything. Yeah, and they the guys

1025
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 3: did their parts and I kept mine.

1026
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: There's just some cute guys.

1027
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: They were adorable.

1028
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: They were adorable. And I love that video because it

1029
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: is like one of those and we need videos like

1030
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: this where it's and it's just shot in the studio everyone. Yeah,

1031
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: I mean, and you belt in that song. Yeah, oh

1032
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: my god, I love that song. Anyway.

1033
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: Well wait, okay, before we got to I don't think so,

1034
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: I have to ask one more question, which I promised

1035
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: myself I would ask, can you drop that grunge album?

1036
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: Right?

1037
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Drop it?

1038
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm so mad that I haven't done that yet.

1039
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: But you don't have to be mad because control Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1040
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: do it.

1041
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: I am, But who do I drop it with and

1042
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: we start a label?

1043
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Maybe just put it you know, it would be kind

1044
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: of chic if you just put it out on like

1045
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: a roage band or something like a grungy thing.

1046
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: I could do that. It's a good album.

1047
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: I want to hear it.

1048
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: Oh you haven't heard any of it.

1049
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean we've heard, we've heard like what you allowed

1050
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: us to hear just those little snippets, but like we

1051
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: need to hear that, okay, And.

1052
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: The fact that you will hear that incredible. That was

1053
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: just like I was getting life from that. Like yeah,

1054
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: you could tell seriously.

1055
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: But that's like the prince in you. Like that's like

1056
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: the genre thing. It's like, oh it doesn't matter, like

1057
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: I can.

1058
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm a musician.

1059
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: I'm an artist. I can do it in any kind

1060
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: of thing.

1061
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 3: And it was jokes as well.

1062
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: There were lots of seeing and I want to hear

1063
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: what the jokes were at that time.

1064
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 3: I mean they're everlasting.

1065
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: They are everlasting, everlasting jokes title about Okay, so now

1066
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: we'll do I don't think so, honey, because I'm happy

1067
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: we've now convinced you to release it and we can

1068
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: count on it.

1069
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I should no, you're right.

1070
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, and just know that no one's forgotten about it

1071
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: after you dangled it so okay and forgot the people. Okay.

1072
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: This is I don't think so, honey. This is our

1073
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: segment that we do on this podcast each and every

1074
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: time where we take one minute to rant against something

1075
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: in pop culture that needs a ranting. And I'm going

1076
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: to do it because two women really tore me up

1077
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: this morning.

1078
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts.

1079
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think so, honey. Hoda copy and Jenna

1080
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: Bushagger making me cry this morning. And I was already

1081
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: feeling an emotional type of way because I knew Mariah

1082
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: was coming and I was so excited. And then Hodah

1083
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: has announced she's leaving the Today Show and her and

1084
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: Jenna bush Haeger sobbing at each other. Mams, you didn't

1085
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: have to be so legendary at us. That was so emotional.

1086
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: They are so real, we've met them before. They are incredible. Hoda.

1087
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: I support you in whatever you do, but not making

1088
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: me sob like this. Seriously, I was on my way

1089
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Speaker 1: to listen. I was trying to listen to Mariah get

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00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: prepared and I had Hoda Coppy making everyone break down.

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00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: It was like we had lost a great leader. This

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00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: morning on the Today Show, all them clasping hands like

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00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: they were like ready for this Titanic to go down.

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00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, it really feels like the

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Speaker 1: end of an era because it is Hoda. We love you.

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00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: Please don't leave NBC Universal for good. Please come do

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00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: some special reports. We love you, but also spend time

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00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: with your kids and babies as it were, and we

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00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: love your Hooda and we'll miss you.

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00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: Every day on Today and that's one minute. I mean

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00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 2: it was major news, Like I was like the Times,

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00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 2: Washington Posts, they were all like breaking hoe to copy

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00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: announce that she's leaving today. It's like it's a major.

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00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a huge void A man like you

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00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: take for granted Hoda every day on the Today.

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: Show just a comfort. It was giving the broad City finale,

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00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: like the two of them gay goodbye to each other.

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00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: I was like, ooh these girls, Yeah, we love your

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00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: Hoda and Jenna. That was a really special moment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is Bowe Yang's I don't think so Okay,

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Speaker 1: are you ready both?

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: I am ready?

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00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: This is Bowyangs don't think as time starts now, I

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Speaker 1: don't think so many.

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Speaker 2: Boxing Day the day after Christmas, sometimes celebrated in Canada

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00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: and the US. This is the origin of Boxing Day.

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: It was a day meant for servants and poor people

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Speaker 2: so that they could get gifts. And now it's just

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Speaker 2: an extra day to shop. So it's giving class. It's

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Speaker 2: giving like class warfare either way you slice it. You know,

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00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: it's like a holiday for poor people. It's giving, separate

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00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 2: but equal. Just lump it in with Christmas and don't

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Speaker 2: extend the holidays after the twenty fifth. We're done this guest,

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Speaker 2: this legend is off the clock. Don't make her work

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: a second longer than she needs to. Just implies that,

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Speaker 2: you know, oh well, then people have to make a

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Speaker 2: Boxing Day album. No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Twenty fifth it's over.

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Speaker 3: It's curtain.

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Speaker 2: The holidays are a time for joy and peace and

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: togetherness and warmth and all these cozy things. The twenty

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: six it's a weird I don't like it. Twelve twenty six.

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00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: We're in that dead zone between then and New Year's

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Speaker 2: and it should stay that well.

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Speaker 1: And that's what a minute, he says on nine to

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Speaker 1: twenty six New Year's overrated.

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00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: New Year's overrated because it's like, you know, I had

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: a great time to staying in the city for New

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: Year's this past New Year's.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we stayed in the city and stuff. We

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00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: usually do a trip. The trip on New Year's is always.

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00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: Overrated, definitely, because you're surrounded by drug driver yes, yes,

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: and all of that.

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00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Stay local, stay local, stay local, stay chill. Also, it's

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00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: like when you're a kid in New Year's is fun

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00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: because it's like you're staying up till midnight. Yeah, and

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00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the novelty of that is gone.

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00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: It's like I'm up till midnight each and every night.

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00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: There you go. I'm not a nerd anyways. Actually, these

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00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: days I am going to Okay, Mariah carey, are you ready?

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00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: Do you have something on your mind? Huh, there's always

1152
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: is something on my excited to say. This is Mariah Carries.

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. Listen. I can't with the

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00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: overhead lighting. Oh why do they do it to us?

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: Why I shouldn't even say us, because it's not us,

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00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: it's me. I'm the one that gets the most torture

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00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: by the hideous lighting in every elevator, doorway, gyms. You

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00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: know that I go to the gym. But I'm just

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00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 3: saying it's hideous lighting. The sun. I mean, the sun

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: is okay if it's at sunset, and then I will

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: gladly go outside and put the you know whatever, and

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00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: that'll be pretty because it's sunlight caressing your skin. But

1164
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: it's bad for you, so you gotta be careful to that.

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00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 3: But overhead lighting, I don't think so, honey, please stop it.

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: Every place I go, I shut the lights, turn them out.

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00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to see them. No more, Yes, no more, honey,

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: one more thing, one more thing. Overheadlighting. It makes me sick.

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Speaker 1: The fact that we got varher carries. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's overhead lighting is at all.

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Speaker 3: Timer.

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Speaker 1: How do we do today?

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Speaker 3: Which are pretty good because these are like you know,

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01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: here and here I noticed.

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Speaker 1: That, you know that. I said to them, really, I

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Speaker 1: was like, let's get this lighting together.

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Speaker 2: We cannot miss on this. You guys, I think people

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: are catching up to you, like with the lighting.

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Speaker 3: They're trying.

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01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know now it's like we're gonna clue

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01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 2: everybody in on this like a classic gay guys apartment

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01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: now is no overheadlighting. It's just mood lighting and different.

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01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: That's it. And it's a little sexier that way.

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01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, those like soft orbs around.

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01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: What's what's the home? What's the home rank? Like, what's

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: the home situation?

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Speaker 3: I feel that the best way is uh recessed lighting. Yeah,

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 3: and then you're walking and it's like splash of light,

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: splash of yeah. You know, if it's not anything more

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01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: than that, that's needed.

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: Some Yes, sumptuous, I think that's a word. If you

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Speaker 2: can try to include that.

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Speaker 3: After that next time.

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: And in a song and you know throws a song.

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Speaker 3: I did that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have.

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if I did.

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Speaker 1: Wait, there was mariahwa there was a word just now

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Speaker 1: and you're out of things? Carass carressingle back. Okay, wait

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Speaker 1: them babies. Are you excited to take them to see Wicked?

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to hang out with them whenever I can. Yeah,

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: Like they're just always doing something else.

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Speaker 2: I think thirteen, yes, now you had them on to

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01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 2: last year though, yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: They were twelve.

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Speaker 2: They were twelve now, but another teens or teens now.

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Speaker 3: I know, I can't think about it, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 3: to rant again.

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Speaker 1: The dem babies are teens.

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Speaker 2: This is so sublime. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't say enough, like like I said,

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01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: like I think you're so much of the reason why

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01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: like I am who I am. And thank you so

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01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: much for everything that you've given, of your talent, of

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: your gift, of your songwriting. I mean, we could sit

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01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: here and talk to you forever. You really are just

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: the best and you will always be that for me,

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: The way you've shaped the culture and the industry and

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01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: the way you've shown people how to navigate it is

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: truly invaluable. And we all there's a hero.

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Speaker 1: We end every episode with a song. Oh and actually

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Speaker 1: this one, I really want more respect on this oay, okay,

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Speaker 1: dream of rescume than me, than me thing me and

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Speaker 1: for the rest of that you can listen to that's

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Speaker 1: not to see record by. Do not let this knowledge

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Speaker 1: them O my god.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Last cultu Racist is the production by Will Ferrell's Big

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: Money Players and The Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sonni.

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: Produced by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Duck Baby and

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Speaker 2: Nikla Board.

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Speaker 1: And our music is by Henry Komirski. Hey everybody, it's

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Speaker 1: me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets are on sale

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01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: now to see me on tour, the Prince of Christmas Tour,

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01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: that is, I'm doing my whole album Have You Heard

1240
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: of Christmas, plus a lot more with the whole band

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01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: all throughout December. Go to www dot Matt Rodgers official

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01:03:52,840 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: dot com to see me in a city near you.