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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt I want to kick off the

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Speaker 2: show here the Steelers on Tuesday today being Wednesday, Steelers

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday hosted one of the top wide outs in

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Speaker 2: this class, the kid from Texas, Donni Mitchell. Yeah, Donny

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Speaker 2: Mitchell wasn't worthy.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't worthy.

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Speaker 2: Donny Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: They actu three They worthy didn't do Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's so confusing. Came straight a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and that got me thinking. I'm like, okay, So I

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Speaker 2: know right now a lot of people look at the

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Speaker 2: Steelers offense and say, well, they need a number two receiver.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think so, yeah, and I would agree, But

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Speaker 2: I don't know that their number two pass catcher isn't

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Speaker 2: already on there in twenty twenty four, isn't already on

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Speaker 2: their roster? Interesting and know where you're going with that,

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Speaker 2: being Pat Fryarmuth, I do want.

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Speaker 3: To talk about Mitchell a little bit. I didn't realize

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Speaker 3: he was here till just now. But let's talk about mouth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's there's a thought or a prevailing sentiment

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Speaker 2: out there that that, you know, Russell Wilson doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: utilize the tight ends all that well. And so I

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Speaker 2: went back and looked over the course of his career

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Speaker 2: at passes thrown to the tight ends in the in

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Speaker 2: the Seattle offense and then the Denver offense. And the

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Speaker 2: prevailing thing here is that a he hasn't really had

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Speaker 2: great tight ends to work with.

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Speaker 3: I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, aging Jimmy Graham was the best one, and Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Graham actually had a couple of pretty good seasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Russell Wilson and a big trade when they

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Speaker 3: made it with the Saints. I mean, they stuff up

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Speaker 3: to go Max Anger, Jit Picks. But then you look

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Speaker 3: at the other guys. You know, in twenty twelve, it

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Speaker 3: was Zach Miller and Anthony McCoy. Wow, Okay.

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Speaker 2: The next year in twenty thirteen, it was Zach Miller,

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Speaker 2: Luke Willison, and Kellen Davis. Ye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then in fourteen it was Luke Willison, Cooper Helflett, Helfett,

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Speaker 2: I should say, Tony Mayeki and Zach Miller. Okay, fifteen,

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Speaker 2: they made the trade for Jimmy Graham, so Graham, Willison,

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Speaker 2: Helfett and Kaufman. Then it was sixteen was Graham, Willison, Tanner, McAvoy,

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Speaker 2: Nick Vannette and Brendan Williams.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of names people know that are listening,

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Speaker 2: Seventeen Jimmy Graham, Willison, Vannette, McAvoy, eighteen Vannette was his

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Speaker 2: top tight end with will Disley, Ed Dixon and Tyrone Swoops.

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Speaker 2: Then it was Hollis, Jacob Hollister, will Disley, Willison, Vannette Swoops, Hollister,

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Speaker 2: Greg Olsen. At the end of his career his area,

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Speaker 2: Disley and Kolbe Parkinson. And then this final season in

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Speaker 2: Seattle was Gerald, Everett, Disley and Parkinson. Then in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two when he goes to Denver, it's Greg Dolcic, who's.

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Speaker 3: A rookie, as a rookie, Eric Sobert, Albert oh who's

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Speaker 3: he's kind of never been anything.

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Speaker 2: Eric Tomlinson and Andrew Becken. Then last year Adam Troutman,

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Speaker 2: Lucas Krawl, Nate Adkins, Greg Dulcic, and Chris Manhertz.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty remarkable list. I mean of big time

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks of this generation. I mean, I might even saying

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Speaker 3: necessarily Hall of famers, but Rivers and above, you know Ben,

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Speaker 3: all these guys. Anybody had a worst group of tight ends,

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Speaker 3: I don't think so it's pretty hard to pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of those guys at Gates are

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Speaker 3: Gonzalez or Keith Miller. I mean, like there's a long

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Speaker 3: list of nice quarterback friendly tight ends. So I think

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Speaker 3: context matters. I mean, does Seattle just not value the

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Speaker 3: tight end? They're not going to put an investments into it.

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Speaker 3: But they did trade for Graham right, you know, who

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Speaker 3: was a big time receiver, touchdown guy at that stage

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Speaker 3: of his career. He could still search the seam. He

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Speaker 3: was one of the better tight ends in the league

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Speaker 3: at that point. With Gronk, is it he just hasn't

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Speaker 3: had a good player at that position. So who no

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Speaker 3: one's gonna put up numbers is We're not gonna bother

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Speaker 3: giving him a good player because he's not a middle

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Speaker 3: of the field thrower. You know, We're gonna would rather

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Speaker 3: get DK Metcalf, you know, rather, So I do think

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Speaker 3: that there is some context there. You know why I

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Speaker 3: don't know we'll ever know that answer, but I think

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Speaker 3: the fact is who's good on that list is not

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Speaker 3: named Jimmy Graham. Yeah, and no one.

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Speaker 2: Well, when he had Jimmy Graham the tight end position

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Speaker 2: group as a whole in fifteen, and he.

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Speaker 3: Was doing the ball of the work, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Had one hundred and twenty seven targets, okay, which is yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's a Marshawn Lynch driven offense.

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Speaker 2: You know, they caught eighty two passes for nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy seven yards four touchdowns. The next year in sixteen,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four targets, right, ninety four catches

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Speaker 2: for twelve hundred and sixty yards and ten touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: I say Graham was definitely a touchdown maker. That was

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Speaker 3: his second year in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Then his third year, the tight ends had one hundred

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Speaker 2: and forty two targets. As a group, they finished with

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Speaker 2: eighty nine catches, nine hundred and ten yards and fifteen touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Graham had ten of those.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I wonder was he He probably wasn't their leading

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Speaker 3: receiver during that strep. No, he was number he was

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Speaker 3: in seventeen, he was two Okay, Okay, in sixteen he

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Speaker 3: was second in targets and receptions behind like lock Itt

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Speaker 3: he could have been the guy at that point. Okay.

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Speaker 3: They good receive They Russell always has had good receivers.

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Speaker 3: I think Baldwin was one of the more and lock

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Speaker 3: It or two of the most underrated guys in recent memory.

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Speaker 3: Metcalf of late so and he is a really good

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Speaker 3: outside the numbers thrower, you know, like you can be

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Speaker 3: critical of him. Hey, he doesn't throw inside the numbers

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Speaker 3: really really good in his deep balls, So it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't know if he doesn't throw

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Speaker 2: Maybe doesn't throw over the middle of the field because

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have anybody who's good at that. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: they've always had good receiver. They always had good receivers there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they ran the ball a lot. I do

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Speaker 3: remember him being more proficient or at least more throwing

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Speaker 3: more often to the middle of the field as a

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Speaker 3: younger player, often off rollouts or design quarterback stuff, which

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Speaker 3: helps him see in Denver, he did very little of

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Speaker 3: it in terms of just attempts over the middle. What

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Speaker 3: we don't know is how they coached and how they

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Speaker 3: you know, where are they putting their resources from a

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Speaker 3: I mean there's no doubt about that. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think we'd all admit that another receiver, if not too,

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Speaker 2: Sure, and it will be any rookie receiver that you take, yeah,

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Speaker 2: may not be your number two in terms of targets

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Speaker 3: And I also think your running backs are very good

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Speaker 3: receivers and a little bit untapped there as well. Is

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Speaker 3: it a spread the ball around to the Mikol Pruitz

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing that he has done over

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Speaker 2: the course of his career, if you look at it.

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Speaker 2: I mean when I went through those those names, I

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Speaker 2: mean there are years where he threw the balls to

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Speaker 2: five different tight ends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but

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Speaker 2: he's typically utilized if they had four tight ends on

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Speaker 3: Okay, it wasn't like one guy's always an act of

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Speaker 3: you know, not used at all. We talked about this

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Speaker 3: there's a good chance that this was discussed heavily with

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Speaker 3: in the passing game, that he needs to be featured

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Speaker 3: or schemed up or used in a more dynamic way.

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Speaker 3: That there's untapped potential with that player. And I hope

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Speaker 3: that's the case, no matter what whether Wilson likes it

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Speaker 3: I do think that's in the cards. I know we're

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Speaker 3: going to see more multiple tight end sets than we

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Speaker 3: did in the past. Yeah, a few were eleven personnel sets.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting and I do want to talk about Mitchell

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Speaker 2: It's also you know, I know, I think people had

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Speaker 2: this idea that Arthur Smith doesn't really use the tight end, right. Well,

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Speaker 2: he had two tight ends catch more than fifty passes

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Speaker 2: each last year, right, I mean, Coyle, you, you and

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Speaker 2: I are former frustrated Kyle Pitt's owners.

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Speaker 3: Right, But it's a little fluke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he caught. I mean he had a thousand receiving

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Speaker 3: Like I think, yes, him and Mike Dicker are something

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Speaker 3: the Oes have ever done that. I mean, like it's

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Speaker 2: But then they added the second very good tight end

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Speaker 3: Yes, And this is a case to me where fantasy

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Speaker 3: and reality don't add up with Pitts either, because yes,

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Speaker 3: he had a thousand yards, but I think he had

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Speaker 3: no touchdowns that year. Yeah, you know, so everyone's mad

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Speaker 3: at him. I mean he did remarkable rookie things for

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Speaker 3: target amongst all tight ends was by far the highest

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Speaker 3: Johnny Smith a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He was essentially their number two, Yeah, wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think Pitts was healthy at any point

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Speaker 3: the last year. Yeah, and these aren't all excuses for

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith. I think they're just facts. I think Atlanta

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Speaker 3: had the least accurate quarterbacks in the league, I mean

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Speaker 3: last year and really over Arthur Smith's tenure. I mean

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Speaker 3: I could if I watched every All twenty two clip

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Speaker 3: of Pits, I bet I can come up with more

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Speaker 3: clips of him than any tight end of the league,

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Speaker 3: waving his hands downfield open that could have been a

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Speaker 3: long touchdown or at least a big gain that weren't completed.

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Speaker 3: So and Pitts and Firemuth aren't same though. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Pitts is a top ten pick for a reason. I

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Speaker 3: mean he's a field stretching feed on him in a

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Speaker 3: way athletically. But you could get more out of Firemuth. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's no question about that.

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Speaker 2: With the Donnie Mitchell, you know that one of the

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Speaker 2: big comp has been George Pickens. Yeah, I see that

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Speaker 2: A faster version maybe of George Pickens probably.

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Speaker 3: I mean if they race, I think he wins.

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Speaker 2: But he's also he's not quite as big.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, so.

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Speaker 2: The comps I get you're comping him in terms of

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Speaker 2: Hey, we are back. He is Matt Williamson on Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: And Matt mel Kiper has come out with his latest

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Speaker 2: two round mock draft.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was phenomenal. I knew every word in that thing.

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Speaker 3: But I mean I think that those first two might

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Speaker 3: Totally get it. I mean his workout was good. You

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Speaker 3: check that box now, you're very comfortable taking him, knowing

435
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Speaker 3: what you know from glass cool days. Sure along those lines. Actually,

436
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: Mims and Bowers worked out today. I haven't seen them.

437
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: They haven't seen anything yet.

438
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

439
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: At eighteen the Bengals take Byron Murphy.

440
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: I like Newton better, but I mean, think about the

441
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: contracts that have been handed out to defensive tackles lately,

442
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: like Derek Brown. Darrick Brown's a really good player, but

443
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: I mean they're making way over twenty million a year.

444
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 3: I think those two d tackles might go, maybe both

445
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: before twenty I mean, I think one's going to be

446
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Speaker 3: gone before twenty.

447
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: At nineteen, the Rams take Lay two at Lineberger UCLA,

448
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: and then at twenty as the Steelers taking Graham Barton.

449
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 3: See, when I listened to the podcast, I had no

450
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: idea where he was going to slot Barton, but he

451
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: did say Barton is going to go early. The league

452
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: loves this guy. I was listening to a different podcast

453
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: yesterday with DJ and Daniel Jeremiah's like all weekend, I

454
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 3: just talked to people in the NFL and they all

455
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 3: ask me about Barton, Like where do you think Barton's

456
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: me go? What do you think about Barton? So a

457
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 3: lot of buzz around him right now.

458
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, at twenty one, the Dolphins take Verse.

459
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 3: That adds up.

460
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nate Wiggins to the Eagles at twenty two.

461
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 3: I think they'd be very happy with that.

462
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chargers with the other pick that they got

463
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Speaker 2: this this would be Cleveland's pick. They take Xavier Worthy.

464
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: See. To me, there was like three or four picks

465
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Speaker 3: in the first round that made me scream. Mel wants

466
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: to make sure this guy gets in the first round

467
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 3: a little higher than you think. And Worthy screams that

468
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, whether it's the Chargers or not. Like,

469
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: I bet he thinks somebody loves him and is going

470
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Speaker 3: to take him high. I mean, I get it. I

471
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Speaker 3: mean I'm not saying I take him over to the

472
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: dudes that are out there, but he has some traits.

473
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Speaker 2: At twenty four, the Cowboys take Tyler Geiden.

474
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure that would work for them.

475
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: I had a Mims.

476
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 3: I had aims at the.

477
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma connection here. At twenty five, the Packers take him

478
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: Marius Mims.

479
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: Okay, they could wait on him a little bit too.

480
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: Twenty six, the Buccaneers take Chop Robinson.

481
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 3: Okay, none of these are off the board. Crazy.

482
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: At twenty seven, the Cardinals take Darius Robinson.

483
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: That's another thing from that podcast he said. I bet

484
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: he said six times, Darius Robinson is going in the

485
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Speaker 3: first round. Yeah, like he was very distinct.

486
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 2: I never doubted that he's a first round type guy.

487
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean, there must be more than one team that's

488
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: highly interested in that neighborhood. And boy, he looks like

489
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 3: a Raven to me.

490
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: At twenty eight, the Bills take Brian Thomas.

491
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 3: Melons more than I do, but I could be shocked

492
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 3: if Thomas last that long. Yeah, you know.

493
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: At twenty nine, the Lions take a Donnie Mitchell.

494
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, but put them right back to back.

495
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of similarities with the players,

496
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: I assume, and that's I didn't read any of the verbiage,

497
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: but it's I assume it's just too good to pass up.

498
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams isn't what we thought he's going to be.

499
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: Give me another weapon.

500
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: I'd be on the phone with them saying, if Jamison

501
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: Williams is available, I'll.

502
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 3: Give you a fourth round pick for him or whatever. Yeah.

503
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: At thirty the Ravens take kool Aid McKinstry.

504
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Corners an underrated need for them too. We talk

505
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: about o'lon and some other things.

506
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: But at thirty one, and he's had these next two.

507
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 3: To me, scream, mel wanted to get these things he's.

508
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: At Rosengarten in its first round in his last two drafts.

509
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know, and I just don't see it.

510
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: I don't see it at all. I mean the podcast

511
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 3: I host is with Brian Peacock, who hosts Locked on Niners.

512
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: He's like, I wouldn't take him in the first two

513
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 3: rounds for the Niners. Like, I'm with you, I think

514
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: he's fine. Maybe i'd consider him at fifty one. This

515
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: pick and the next one just screamed to me that

516
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: people are telling mel these guys are going high.

517
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: I just think he has a love affair with Roger Rosingart.

518
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe because he's the only person that I out

519
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: there that's mocking Roger Rosengarten in.

520
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: The top forty.

521
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: Ye.

522
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, I mean he's I mean, he's a good player,

523
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: he's got traits, he's athletic. I just think there's other

524
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: tackles more appealing. Yeah, I think, you know, seem at Tiger,

525
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, and at.

526
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: Thirty two he has Xavier Legett going to the Chiefs.

527
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: Which I think I bet he thinks has a real

528
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: chance to go in round one, and not everyone in

529
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: the planet saying that, you know.

530
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they could use Leget kind of like

531
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: they used Tyreek Hill. He's not as fast, right, right, right, right,

532
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: but he's just as explosive with the ball in his head.

533
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: He can still run the same routes and do a

534
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: lot of the same stuff.

535
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, starting kicking off his round two, we give a

536
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: trade out.

537
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: You're not gonna argue with me though, Like I would

538
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: fear the Chiefs more with mconkie. Yeah, McConkie might catch up.

539
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: Conky might be the best pass he might be the

540
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: best route runner in this draft.

541
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: I think it is.

542
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: I think it is.

543
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: At thirty three, the Giants trade up with to Carolina

545
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: and take Bo Nicks.

546
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: This actually works out really well for the Panthers.

547
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: The Patriots and take key On Coleman.

548
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 3: At least they given something to their rookie quarterback.

549
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: At thirty five, the Cardinals take TJ. Tampa cornerback at.

550
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: That's another guy Melse been talking about forever that has

551
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: a real first round possibilities being run great.

552
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: At thirty six, the Commanders take Jordan Morgan, the offensive

553
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: tackle on Arizoned. The Rams and make a move and

554
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: trade up to thirty seven with the Chargers to take

555
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix.

556
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: I think that's very realistic for those two. Like, I

557
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: don't think either one will be there when the Steelers

558
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 3: picking the second round, No, I don't think so. I

559
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: think they're trade trade up guys or Denver the Raiders

560
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: or a team like that, or Seattle gets them. At

561
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: the top of the second round.

562
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: At thirty eight, the Titans take Roocky Piersaw wide receiver

563
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: out of Florida. That would kind of surprise me really

564
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: because they just signed Calvin Rich. Oh yeah, they got

565
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins.

566
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, I think Pearsall goes in that neighborhood.

567
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: They've got the the the uh the slot that they

568
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: had they drafted it out of uh Berks.

569
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

570
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: Well, no, they have the slot they took out of U. C.

571
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: L A a couple of years ago. Phillips.

572
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. They they got pretty stacked

573
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: in the room and they have other needs. Take more linemen,

574
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: take defense.

575
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: At thirty nine, the Panthers, after trading down, take lad Mconkey.

576
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Mconkie and Pearsall to me, just keep going up

577
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: on my board. I mean I have them both really

578
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: high now. Yeah, probably six and seven in the receiver list.

579
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: At forty the Commanders take Max Milton. Yeah, Directors, I

580
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to happen.

581
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of heat around him.

582
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Uh. At forty one, the Packers take Edgrin Cooper.

583
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess they lost Campbell.

584
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: At forty two, Johnny Newton goes to the Texans.

585
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: He's there's two names in the second and if the

586
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: other one's Powers Johnson, if you hasn't been mentioned yet,

587
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: hasn't been mentioned yet? Their tape Newton and Powers Johnson

588
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: our first round tapes and it's just and Newton has

589
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: yet to work out. Is there an injury we don't

590
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: know about? And Powers Johnson really falls in this draft?

591
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: Is there something going on there we don't know about.

592
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: I mean, because they both those guys have first round

593
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: tape all day long.

594
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: Maybe just just in this draft. I mean, I mean,

595
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: you don't take it. You don't take an interior offensive

596
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: lineman that early when you've got so many tackles, wide

597
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: receivers and cornerbacks.

598
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: I mean, Zack Fraser has been listed named either. I mean,

599
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: there's not a ton of center center needy teams. Yeah.

600
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: Forty four Enus Rakestraw goes to the Raiders.

601
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, quality player.

602
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: At forty five, Malachi Corley goes to the Saints.

603
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: That that was a little early. I mean that kind

604
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: of raised an eyebrow to me a little. But that's

605
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: a lot of receivers in this neighborhood.

606
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: If forty six, Troy Franklin goes to the Colts, Yeah,

607
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: I think there's a run of them here. And then

608
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: you got Jackson Powers Johnson at forty seven to the Panthers.

609
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: The Panthers trade down from first picking the second round

610
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: end up with him and another nice pickup.

611
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and mconkie mconauk.

612
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew he was a receiver. I didn't know

613
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: which one.

614
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Uh. At forty eight, the Jaguars take Chris Jenkins.

615
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: Okay.

616
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: At forty nine, Roman Wilson goes to the Bengals that

617
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: receiver run.

618
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: Is ye, I mean say it's it's going hot and

619
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: heavy here.

620
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: At fifty the Eagles take Patrick Paul it's a good

621
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: development guy, he some.

622
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's they developed out lane. Johnson won't be there forever.

623
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: And then at fifty one he has the Steelers taking

624
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: Jaylen McMillan, the wide receiver out of Washington I don't

625
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: love that.

626
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 3: I don't love it.

627
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good fit.

628
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's so many receivers. Went.

629
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: I get it because he's he's the next one on

630
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: the board, right, But in terms of I might like

631
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: poll better.

632
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the Washington, the other Washington. I

633
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: mean he's fine. I think he's more of a you said,

634
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: see what's from a third round? Be like all right, yeah, yeah,

635
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean Mike, that's a nice pick.

636
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: Up second round. I'm not really one hundred and seventy

637
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: pound wide receiver doesn't and he.

638
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: Doesn't run like worthy, right, you know what I mean.

639
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: He's a good player, but he's been number three, right,

640
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 3: his life hasn't been super hard, and I think he's

641
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: quality player. I just don't love the fit. Year.

642
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: At fifty two, the Chargers take Rooke auror Hero. That

643
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: would be one that I would take ahead of the receiver.

644
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: And their defensive tackle rotation is really really bad.

645
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: If fifty three the Eagles take Polk.

646
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: Okay, it'd be a third guy for them, that makes sense.

647
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: At fifty four, the Browns take Braden Fist.

648
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: The Eagles get extra picks whatever. Okay, Fist goes mix it. Okay,

649
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: they had a pretty decent rotation then too.

650
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fifty five, Christian Haynes goes to the Dolphins. The

651
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: guard at a Yukon.

652
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: They'd play immediately for them.

653
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

654
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: At fifty six, Jonathan Brooks to the Cowboys.

655
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: That's yeah, it seems like that's a done deal. Yeah.

656
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: At fifty seven, the Buccaneers take Zach Frazier.

657
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: They could use interior line out. I mean, their center

658
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: situation is not great.

659
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: At fifty eight, the Packers take Javon Buller, the safety

660
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: out of Georgia.

661
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, seems a little early, bit okay.

662
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: At fifty nine, the Texans take Mike Santstrill, the cornerback

663
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: out of Michigan.

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00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: I didn't realize un till this morning that he's he's

665
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: gonna play defense. For two years. He was a wide

666
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: receiver his whole life. He didn't play like a he

667
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: doesn't play it at all, just a ball like a Yeah. Say,

668
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: if you have that nastiness and that recognition only after

669
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: two years of playing defense, sign me up.

670
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: At sixty, Coal Bishop, the safety out of Utah, goes

671
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: to the Bills.

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00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna go high. Yeah, I mean I don't think

673
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: Nuban went yet.

674
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: He did not. Yeah, that's number safety.

675
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great tester.

676
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: At sixty one, the Lions take a Desa Isaac, the

677
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: defensive end at Penn State. The Ravens at sixty two

678
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: take Cooper Bebe, the guard at a k State.

679
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: They'd probably play immediately for them too.

680
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

681
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

682
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Sixty three, Andrew Phillips, the cornerback out of Kentucky, goes

683
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: to the forty nine.

684
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: Ers's a couple of those slot corners that are pretty enticing.

685
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: They can do a little more than that, though, too.

686
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: And then at sixty four, the Chiefs take Kingsley Sue Mattaia,

687
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle out of BYU.

688
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: That raised an eyebrow for me too. I'm like, why

689
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: does he have him lasting so long? I mean, I'm

690
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 3: sure some of it's because the tackle needy teams all

691
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: took one.

692
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has missed his number nine offensive tackle in

693
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: this class.

694
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: Okay, See, I think I don't know that Morgan's a tackle.

695
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: I think fa Wagga is, but I'm not one thousand

696
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: percent sure. But Seematia is definitely a tackle. Yeah, I mean,

697
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: I mean Fatanu I think is a tackle, but I'm

698
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: not one thousand percent sure, you know, like I think

699
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: Seamatia goes earlier than that.

700
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too.

701
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a lot to work with.

702
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: Very very tracy, Yeah.

703
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: Very tradesy. And he's young. He's only like twenty years

704
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: old or twenty one years.

705
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: Old, right, just by being a BYU guy.

706
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

707
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so that's mills second or two round lock

708
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: draft he has last one. Yeah, the Steelers with Graham,

709
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: Barton and McMillan, right, yeah, yeah, I'd go fish On

710
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: that I would too, Yeah, I mean I like Barton.

711
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: I like Barton. I don't love him at twenty. I

712
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: like Barton, and you don't have this luxury when you're

713
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: on the clock at twenty. But just so happens powers

714
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: Johnson and Fraser or Fraser was on the board for

715
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: your second rounder, that'd been nice to know, But of

716
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: course that's not how the world works.

717
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: And I'm just looking here at some of the receivers

718
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: that I you know, we saw Malachai Corley didn't go.

719
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: I'd take Corley over McMillan. Yeah, I think i'd take

720
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: Polk over McMillan.

721
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just McMillan to me, doesn't doesn't.

722
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what you need.

723
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if I'm going to go that route and

724
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna end up taking a guy, he's probably

725
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: a slot. I'll take the kid out of USC.

726
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: Good blocker, Yeah, yeah, yeah, take a couple of rounds later, right.

727
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: I like Washington from Virginia a lot too. Yeah, you

728
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: get him a third, you know. I mean it's a

729
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: little early for that prototype of for McMillan, for the Steelers,

730
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: I mean, and.

731
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: One guy I'm not super sold. I know you like

732
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: this guy better than me? Is Jermaine Burton?

733
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: Oh? I do.

734
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: And here's here's why I was the beast is out now.

735
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't got a chance to really dig in.

736
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: And I knew that he had bounced around a lot.

737
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: I know he's got a checkered pass, to say the least.

738
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: I just don't know what it is he is.

739
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: He has moved around more than.

740
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: You haul, really, I know, he's like a five star.

741
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: Change high schools multiple times, change colleges multiple times. Like

742
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: this tells me this is a guy who if things

743
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: aren't going right for him, you.

744
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: Know, I think it's well known Truayton runs that there

745
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: is off the field concerns and I just don't know

746
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: what they are. So I've been judging him just off

747
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: of what I see it on tape and from what

748
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: I have heard. The concerns are real.

749
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: So we're not talking like, we're not talking like somebody

750
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: was going to go to Upper Saint Clair and then

751
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: they decided instead to go to Mount Lebanon or you know,

752
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: to wherever, you know, next door high school. We're talking

753
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: about the family moving from from Florida to California to

754
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: go to a high school. You start, yeah, with the

755
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: whole family moving along, Like, Yeah, he might be a

756
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: little I.

757
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: Think he had an incident after a game that they lost.

758
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: I think it was him where he's screaming at a

759
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: girl or a cheerleader or something like. Yeah, I mean,

760
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: I'm aware, be just a little bit entitled or not

761
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: a good person or I don't know. I mean, I

762
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: know there's stuff and I don't scouting Department of one.

763
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. That's why I'm that's

764
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: my favorite thing about the Beast. I love Dane's rankings.

765
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: I think he's a very good evaluator, but his research

766
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: is even better. You can really dig in at least. Yeah,

767
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: I knew that.

768
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: I knew there was some some of that in the background, right.

769
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: I read it today a beast because I specifically went

770
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: to that one. I'm like, I know, there's a lot

771
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: of movement there with this kid. What what exactly? Was it?

772
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: Okay?

773
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: And it is extensive?

774
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: That scares that on me? Then yeah, I mean it

775
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: definitely does. So he could be that guy that goes

776
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: in the fourth round and was like, why did he

777
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: last so long?

778
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: That's why? Yeah, Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break.

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792
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: and Matt. We had a another big contract assigned today.

793
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 2: The Jaguars give Josh Allen a five year It's being

794
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: estimated at one hundred and forty plus million dollars over

795
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: the COURRT. It could be as much as one hundred

796
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars if he hits some incentives there.

797
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: Good player, real.

798
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: Good player, yeah, ascending, probably coming off his best year.

799
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: Was a bit of a project when he was his

800
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: draft time. You know, yes, fifth or six pick in

801
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 3: the draft, something like that, tons of ability, great combine guy,

802
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: good player, top ten edge rusher.

803
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Maybe not, you know, I man, he's in that neighborhood.

804
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: He's twenty six.

805
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember he came out young.

806
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: It's a five year deal. He gets thirty two million

807
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: dollars signing bonus. I bad the base salary this year,

808
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: two million fully guaranteed. Then he has a five hundred

809
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: thousand dollars workout bonus, a twenty twenty four to forty

810
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: six man roster bonus of five hundred thousand dollars he's

811
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 2: going to be on that. His base salary in twenty

812
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: five is thirty two million dollars fully guaranteed.

813
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: That's about when they're gonna have to sign Lawrence with.

814
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: A workout bonus. Yeah, again, the same things that the

815
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: million dollars in workout bonus and roster bonuses. The twenty

816
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: twenty six base salary is twenty two million, ten point

817
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: five million of which is fully guaranteed and eleven to.

818
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: Really flopped to get cut before that.

819
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Right, eleven point five million of that becomes fully guaranteed

820
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: on March twenty sixth of twenty twenty six, so you know,

821
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: if he's on the roster at that point, then he

822
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: get that again, the workout bonuses. So when you start

823
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: looking at this deal, the base value of it is

824
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty one point twenty five million over

825
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: five years, which is an average value of twenty eight

826
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: point twenty five million per year.

827
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: Those last two years must be pretty pricey.

828
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: Now, actually they're not too bad. No, it's it's spread out,

829
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: so there's a chance that he sees the whole thing.

830
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: But it made me go back and look here at

831
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: what the Steelers signed t J. Watt and then Alex

832
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: high Smith.

833
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: For Yeah, it's a good conversation.

834
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 2: You know, when you look at.

835
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: There's some people that lost their mind and thinks that

836
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: are overpaid and blah blah blah blah blah.

837
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: Wat steeles four years, one hundred and twelve million.

838
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: Wow, he's noticeably better.

839
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best outside linebacker.

840
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: And he's the best at that.

841
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Aaron Donald called him the best defensive

842
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: player in the league right now, and knowing and know

843
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: one Betts and I about that, you know, so even

844
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: at that like his base out, Yeah, he counts it.

845
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's thirty million dollars against the cap

846
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: the next two years each each.

847
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's what Allen is next year, Allen's thirty two.

848
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: And they said next year, yeah, which I mentioned the

849
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: Lawrence thing, they'll probably sign Lawrence and then his first

850
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: year will be cheap, and then Laurence kicks in after that.

851
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: So that kind of does add up for them at least.

852
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: But no, Watt is not overpaid at all. In fact,

853
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: I think he's a pretty good bargain.

854
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: And high Smith at four years and sixty eight million dollars.

855
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: Is a bargain is a steal? Is a steal? Yeah?

856
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think high Smith's in the top

857
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: ten edge conversation. He's in the top twenty.

858
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 2: Five, certainly in the top twenty five and probably top

859
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: twenty probably. Yeah, I mean just what he does and

860
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: he's making half of what the that guy, you know,

861
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: Brian Burns is making.

862
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah or not Burned Allen Allen? Yeahry Burns is making it.

863
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: Burns to making more than a.

864
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: Big contract too. No, the d tackles are getting paid

865
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: like crazy. These edge guys have been have been getting

866
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: paid like crazy. Almost any reasonable deal in the NFL,

867
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: even if it doesn't look reasonable at the time two

868
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 3: years from now, is a steal. Less the player falls

869
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: on his face, and more so than other sports, they

870
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: can fall in their face because they age quicker and

871
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: injuries and the wear and tear in their body. But still,

872
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: as long as they stay healthy and play at a

873
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: close to the level than when you signed him, you

874
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: should be happy about it for the next couple of years.

875
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: And I think the Steelers definitely Arthur edge guys.

876
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: If you're the Steelers. Now, Wat's got two years left

877
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: on his deal, he'll turn thirty this year. Do you

878
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: talk to extension with him a little bit, see if

879
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: he can bring.

880
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 3: You need the money. I mean, I know you could

881
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: restructure Cam. I think he's next on the list.

882
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

883
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: If a big ticket item came across and you needed it,

884
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: I think you go to the Bank of TJ soon.

885
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: I mean your thing.

886
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: Am I just thrown another year on? Now?

887
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: I would I wouldn't mind throwing a couple more years.

888
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to be slowing down at all.

889
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean.

890
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: He takes ridiculous care of his body.

891
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: You know it wendsy up.

892
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: After the twenty twenty five season.

893
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so you get this year next? Yeah, I'd

894
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: sleep a little better now because there.

895
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Next year you may be negotiating a quarterback contract as well,

896
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: of course, right, And I'd like to have something guys,

897
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: team or yeah, I'd like to have something taken care

898
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: of ahead of time. That Okay, I know what this is.

899
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: So I'm sure TJ loves the Steelers, wants to be

900
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 3: a Steeler for life, all those wonderful, yummy things. Why

901
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: would he want to talk now when Allen signs that contract.

902
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: Because he sees those guys getting these contracts and he

903
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: can say, well.

904
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: I want forty. He's going to get forty, but yeah,

905
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: I went thirty five. I mean, if he's getting thirty ish,

906
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: he's more than the Allen contract, right, But.

907
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: I can give him some I can give him some

908
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: new money now, lower those that that thirty million dollar

909
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: cap hit. Well, certainly for this year and next year.

910
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: If something crazy came along, like you're gonna sign T

911
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: Higgins or Brian Nyuk or some name that I'm to

912
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: be named later someone your traded guy that is a

913
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: huge contract and now I need the money, well then

914
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm definitely doing it. Yeah, you know, like, hey, how

915
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: about we give you a ton big chunk. Now, throw

916
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: a year or two on there, disperse it and we're

917
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 3: a better football team.

918
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the other the other thing is is what

919
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: we don't know is how long Cam Hayward is going

920
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: to continue to play?

921
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: Sure TJ.

922
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: Watt all of a sudden, when Hayward is done, becomes

923
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: your Cam Hayward.

924
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's you're a succession plan. Yeah, he's your fielding

925
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 3: off and he's your guys. Yeah on every billboard and

926
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: every Yeah, one hundred percent that's in place. No, it

927
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: wouldn't bother me at all. I just wish that. And

928
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: this is a side note. I know this is what

929
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: you're going with in the segment, but they have a

930
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: lot of cap flexibility right now. And I even saw

931
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: it was looking at free agents to be a year

932
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: from now. The Athletic put out their top fifty. The

933
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: Steelers don't have any in that in that group either,

934
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, they have some dudes up, but they don't

935
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: have an elite guy that's just banging on the door.

936
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 3: So if they wanted to, they could basically sign anybody

937
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: they wanted, you know, if they felt like moving things around.

938
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: That's not necessarily their style. I'm not saying they're going

939
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: to go give fifty million to Dak Prescott this free

940
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: agency or anything like that. But even the rest of

941
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: this offseason, they're cap space is more favorable than I

942
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: think we paint the picture sometimes here. If they want

943
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: to get a guy at the trade deadline.

944
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, and the way that they structure their contracts if

945
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: you did, if you did extend to TJ. Watt and

946
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: you what they do is give a bigger base salary

947
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: so that okay, two years from now, we need the

948
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: cap space. Well, we're going to convert that base salary

949
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: into signing bonus and create more space.

950
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 3: And even last offseason, all those deals, the Patrick Peterson's

951
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: and stuff like that were two year deals, but they

952
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: were still one year. Yeah, you know, like their team

953
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: friendly after and smart. I mean, I like the way

954
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: they do it.

955
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, seeing some of these deals given

956
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: out to some of these inside line or outside linebackers,

957
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: like you could talk that with. You could start the

958
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: conversations with what right now? Anyways, No, I don't think that.

959
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 3: At least talk about do you think friar Mouth could

960
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: be up he.

961
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: Get he's gonna get gets done, that'll be that'll be

962
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: a prey around training camp.

963
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's always you do one like that. I

964
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: think he's the only extension you're really prioritizing right now. Yeah,

965
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: you know interesting. So, Yeah, I haven't talked Steio contract

966
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: stuff in a while, but.

967
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely I would. I would at least open

968
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: the door to it. At least, Hey, let's let's talk

969
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: what what would it cost right now?

970
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: Put two years on the end to.

971
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: Get this, to get this out of the way, because

972
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 2: we don't want to be dealing with this next year

973
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: when we're also negotiating with quarterbacks. Yeah, we're trying to

974
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: figure out who the quarterback is going to be next year.

975
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be nice to not have to juggle those

976
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: two things, like Chris Jones need situation, right, Yeah, you

977
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: know there's a lot of those. Daniel Jones were.

978
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Again, you're gonna you're gonna have the you know, additional

979
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: money next year. You might have to you might have

980
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: to extend Hayward again. Maybe you look at Hayward's and

981
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: he comes back, he said I want to play two

982
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: more years, and he's worth two more years, you know,

983
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 2: because I think.

984
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: It would surprise no one if Cam had a better

985
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: year this year than last year. Yeah. I mean he

986
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: he's played hurt a lot in his career and he's

987
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 3: an animal, but he was not himself.

988
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: He might have been playing on no legs, right, and

989
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: which for a defensive tackle, your legs are very important.

990
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, if he has a quality year, maybe

991
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: not the five defensive tackle, there's a quality year, you're

992
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: probably gonna want to put a year on the end

993
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: of it at least, you know.

994
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: So you know, they always have a pecking order on

995
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: how they do their contract stuff. They'll have a Okay,

996
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: we want to get this one done in this one,

997
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: this one, and this one. So if you can knock

998
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: one of those out now this offseason and get it

999
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: out of the.

1000
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: Way for a foundational piece like what right, who's not

1001
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: going anywhere? Right? You don't want to get into franchise

1002
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: and them and all that too, Yeah, or taking trade

1003
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: offers or things like that. And I hear you. And

1004
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: he's still young enough.

1005
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: Right, he's still very productive.

1006
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know it might be a time to buy. Yeah,

1007
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: So I just.

1008
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: Wanted to throw that out. There's something I would think

1009
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: about doing anyone.

1010
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: I think it's a good call.

1011
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: Let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

1012
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