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Speaker 1: What about all those football stars? So many of them

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Speaker 1: tip of the Iceberg Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? With

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Speaker 1: joining me out of La Troy Slayton at Floyd Scarin

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: series on the true crime Network, Poisonous, the Liaisons Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan death investigator and special guest joining us for

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Speaker 1: the first time. Let the hazing begin on Charles Robinson.

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Speaker 1: This guy, senior NFL reporter. He is specialized in the

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Speaker 1: NFL investigative reporting. It's a co host on Yahoo's Sports

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Speaker 1: NFL podcaster at Twitter, he's at Charles Robinson. That is

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Speaker 1: a mouthful, and I'm sure there's more. But Charles, before

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Speaker 1: what happened with Chad Wheeler? Well, it's a mess for

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean to put it short on Friday. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, Charles,

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Speaker 1: this is not really like a telecast that you would

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Speaker 1: talking about John David throwing the bean bag at Lucy.

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Speaker 1: According to court documents, the fight broke out when her boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: LA renounced psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, doctor ANGELA Arnold,

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Speaker 1: forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, and senior NFL reporter Charles Robinson.

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Speaker 1: In the excitement of Super Bowl Sunday and the huge

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Speaker 1: amount of promo it receives, and rightfully so, it's a

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Speaker 1: family event for families to enjoy. Charles Robinson. I guess

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Speaker 1: the NFL, which is none of this had ever happened. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL wishes everyone would move beyond it,

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Speaker 1: and the NFL's on nothing. That's the striking thing about

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Speaker 1: the Chad Wheeler case is that, well the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: waved Chad Wheeler and have essentially said we're no longer

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Speaker 1: going to be tied to this individual. The NFL has

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Speaker 1: made no statement whatsoever. And I think for the NFL,

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Speaker 1: it follows a history of something entering the legal realm.

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Speaker 1: The NFL sits back and says we're gonna let the

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Speaker 1: legal realm play out before we have to act it.

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Speaker 1: But technically, if Chad Wheeler is no longer in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and he says he's walking away from football, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that means retirement or whatnot. The NFL

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Speaker 1: could essentially do nothing about this. They could make no statement,

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Speaker 1: there could be no punishment. There could be effectively no

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Speaker 1: recourse on the NFL's part when it comes to Chad Wheeler,

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Speaker 1: and I think there are people inside the league who

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Speaker 1: whether or not he's an NFL player, right now, the

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Speaker 1: NFL should make a statement about what occurred with this

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Speaker 1: player and at the very least condemned the act, which

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Speaker 1: the NFL has not beyond the Seattle Seahawks, the private franchise,

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Speaker 1: It's right, they do need to step up and do

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Speaker 1: everything they can to stop violence committed on by their

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Speaker 1: NFL members, even though they're not resigning him. Let me

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Speaker 1: understand something else, Charles Robinson, NFL Senior reporter. Is it

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Speaker 1: true I know that the former Seattle Seahawks offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: Chad Wheeler has just pled not guilty to criminal charges

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Speaker 1: of first degree domestic violence, assault, domestic violence, unlawful imprisonment,

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Speaker 1: and resisting arrest. Is it true that he asked if

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Speaker 1: he could leave the Lower forty eight and go to Hawaii. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the allegation that he has requested leaving essentially,

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Speaker 1: as you said, leaving the continent and going to Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: which is I don't know what the standard is for

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Speaker 1: someone to be allowed to do something like that. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen in this case.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that he was allowed to call flight to

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Speaker 1: bond out, to bond out the day after this time.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised about that too, him bonding out to you.

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, the alleged victim in this case, appeared in

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Speaker 1: court with her left arm in a sling. The prosecutor's

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Speaker 1: office there in King County read a statement on her

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Speaker 1: behalf where she resay the details about what happened, and

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Speaker 1: she said she does not feel safe as long as

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Speaker 1: Wheeler is out of custody. She also objected to Will's

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Speaker 1: request he'd be allowed to stay at his home in Hawaii. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, everyone's entitled to reasonable bail unless it's

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Speaker 1: some sort of capital offense, and the only purpose of

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Speaker 1: bail is to ensure that the person returns to court.

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Speaker 1: And there's no evidence that he's had failures to appear

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Speaker 1: or is any kind of flight risk, so it really

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Speaker 1: doesn't He's only had one court appearance, so don't get

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Speaker 1: too excited. Doesn't matter where he where he is, as

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Speaker 1: long as he makes his court appearances. So right now

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Speaker 1: he has a GPS. That's not true. Very often defendants

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Speaker 1: cannot leave the jury has what you're talking about, has

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Speaker 1: a GPS tracking device. And the reason why judges can

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Speaker 1: they cut off. The reason why judges sometimes say that

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Speaker 1: you can't leave the jurisdiction is to ensure that they

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Speaker 1: make their court appearances and they don't run run away.

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Speaker 1: And it's what I think you're agreeing that a judge

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Speaker 1: can order that, because just a moment ago you said

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Speaker 1: that you don't have to do that's impossible, but it's

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Speaker 1: ordered all the time. That's why we have the monitoring.

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Speaker 1: A victim in this case commented on where she wanted

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Speaker 1: him to be or whether or not she's opposed, she

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Speaker 1: really has no standing she wanted him in jail. Crime

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Speaker 1: victims say that all the t in la in uh

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Speaker 1: in Seattle, or in Hawaii. She really has no standing

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Speaker 1: to say where he's going to reside while he's out

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Speaker 1: on pre trial relief. Did I ask you that, No,

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Speaker 1: I did not ask you to comment on what the

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Speaker 1: victim said. I asked you in a correction, I reminded

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Speaker 1: you that a judge can order a defendant not to

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Speaker 1: leave the jurisdiction. That's following up on the NFL reporter

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Speaker 1: Charles Robinson saying he was surprised the guy even made bond.

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Speaker 1: The police report states police forced entry into the apartment.

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Speaker 1: She was crying in pain, her face covered in blood,

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Speaker 1: her left arm swollen, and limp laying on her body.

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Speaker 1: She had fingerprint marks, fingerprint marks on both sides of

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Speaker 1: her neck. That's in the police report. Joska Morgan, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean when you have fingerprints on both sides

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Speaker 1: of your neck? I mean his hand is as big

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Speaker 1: as a Virginia ham, for Pete's sake, can wrap all

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Speaker 1: the way around her. Yeah, she's been throttled, Nancy. She's

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Speaker 1: been throttled by this fellow applying direct pressure to this area.

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Speaker 1: And if you can see the images of her, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a full on facial shot of her

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Speaker 1: lying on a hospital journey, and you can actually see

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Speaker 1: how admitus her head is. In other words, it's swollen.

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Speaker 1: It's still swollen following this event because of the backup

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Speaker 1: of blood, the lack of oxygen, and not to mention,

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Speaker 1: she's got a tremendous amount of bloods that you can

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Speaker 1: see this dried just beneath both nostles, her lips are swollen.

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Speaker 1: It looks like she's been popped in the face. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine if you use that idea of a ham, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you think about a small ham and it

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Speaker 1: comes in in a can, that's that approximates the size

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Speaker 1: of the sky's hands. And just you know, just as

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Speaker 1: Charles has said earlier, just no six at seven, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: he's three hundred pounds plus. He is a mountain of

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Speaker 1: a man. It took three grown ass men to get

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Speaker 1: this guy down with a taser, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: attack this little woman like this. He did a number

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Speaker 1: on her, Nancy. And the fact that he's sitting there

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Speaker 1: and he saying, Hey, I've got more to tell you,

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Speaker 1: and I need you to analyze it. Scans have revealed

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Speaker 1: a fractured, humorous dislocated elbow in her arm. Also, a

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Speaker 1: skin of the woman's chest shows indications she aspirated fluid.

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Speaker 1: You can die that way, and she vomited large amounts

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Speaker 1: of blood the following day. She can't swallow, she can't eat, chess, headache,

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Speaker 1: neck pain, I guess she does. But when you aspirate,

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Speaker 1: it means you breathe in the blood, or you can

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Speaker 1: aspirate anything. That you're eating or drinking, you breathe it

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Speaker 1: in and you choke to death. And this woman is

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Speaker 1: actually vomiting up blood. Joe Sky, Yeah, she's probably you know,

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Speaker 1: she's choking on her own vomit as well. And this

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Speaker 1: causes again I'm going to use this word adma or swelling,

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Speaker 1: not just to her face and her neck externally what

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Speaker 1: you can see, it's also impacting her long stability to breathe.

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Speaker 1: And you talk about these injuries that she has to

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Speaker 1: her arm. To me, Nancy, that you know, when you're kid,

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Speaker 1: you take somebody, you see somebody on the playground, take

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Speaker 1: somebody's hand and bend it behind them and push the

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Speaker 1: elbow up. Okay, kids do this for years, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're roughhousing. That's where I think, imagine this gigantic mountain

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Speaker 1: of a man doing this to this diminutive woman where

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Speaker 1: he takes his hands because hey, in this guy's world,

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Speaker 1: everybody outside the NFL is diminutive. All right, guys, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about Chad Wheel or former Seattle Seahawk. And

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Speaker 1: as we all gather around our TV this weekend, and

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Speaker 1: yes we are, as my children watch the commercials, watch

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Speaker 1: the game, watch the halftime show. You know what, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to to know all this that's for mommy

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Speaker 1: to know, not them. We wait as justice and the

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Speaker 1: big game unfold. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,