Speaker 1: Good morning, peep Sena. Welcome to wikate F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker Friends.
Speaker 1: Coming up next is my weekly conversation with our friend,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, and I have to tell you that
Speaker 1: I'm just going to give you a warning it is
Speaker 1: not an uplifting conversation because we're talking once again about guns.
Speaker 1: This week, we received an update about the shooting of
Speaker 1: the twenty five year old teacher in Virginia by her
Speaker 1: six year old student, and I just don't have the
Speaker 1: ability anymore to sustain outrage, just from my own mental
Speaker 1: health and well being. That being said, I just am
Speaker 1: beside myself that a six year old bringing a loaded
Speaker 1: weapon to school, critically wounding their teacher is not receiving
Speaker 1: wall to wall coverage. How fucking broken is America at
Speaker 1: this point? This is the thought that just keeps consuming
Speaker 1: my thoughts. I used to work, as many of you
Speaker 1: know who've listened to the show for a while, My
Speaker 1: background is in education, in education policy. I was an
Speaker 1: elementary school teacher. I taught first in second grade for
Speaker 1: a couple of years before I went to Capitol Hill
Speaker 1: to work on education policy, And I have got to
Speaker 1: tell you that all I keep thinking about when I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about this six year old is a like my
Speaker 1: former students who are now totally grown kids, but like
Speaker 1: their faces and their inquisitive nature and the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with you, they're not adults
Speaker 1: by any sense of the imagination. They're not even tweens.
Speaker 1: But they are learning right from wrong. They are understanding
Speaker 1: and learning about expectations, both by their families and by
Speaker 1: their teachers. You're learning your roles. What the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on when one a six year old has ready
Speaker 1: access to a loaded weapon knows that it is a
Speaker 1: weapon that causes harm? What is going through their mind
Speaker 1: when they packed that weapon in their bag and went
Speaker 1: to school. That's the one thing. The second is why,
Speaker 1: why in God's name, if you are a gun owner
Speaker 1: do you not have your gun under lock and fucking key,
Speaker 1: like I'm talking like fingerprint style lock and key in
Speaker 1: your home, out of the reach and out of the
Speaker 1: sight of fucking children. How do we not have legislation?
Speaker 1: And one of the questions that I will ask Jonathan,
Speaker 1: and he provides an interesting answer to is should we
Speaker 1: And again I don't know in what society this is
Speaker 1: going to happen in because we can't agree on, you know,
Speaker 1: the existence of climate change. We can't agree on, you know,
Speaker 1: fair elections. We can't agree on whether or not gravity exists,
Speaker 1: like in this current fucking climate of America. But should
Speaker 1: there be the pursuit of laws on the books that
Speaker 1: would make it criminalized If your weapon is not under
Speaker 1: lock and key, a child gets access to it and
Speaker 1: kill somebody or critically wounds them, should you not be
Speaker 1: held liable because the responsibility is on the gun owner.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have so many questions about what is
Speaker 1: happening in that home, What is going on with that child?
Speaker 1: Were their red flags? Why is a gun just laying
Speaker 1: a fucking around. There are so many questions that have
Speaker 1: yet to be answered and probably never will be. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you want to carry a weapon, if
Speaker 1: it's a fucking constitutional right to do so, must the
Speaker 1: rest of us live in a hostage zone? Because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, we are finding so many ways to make
Speaker 1: it certain that those that want to educate kids, those
Speaker 1: that want to be teachers and caregivers, are going to
Speaker 1: run from this profession Because I'm telling you that in
Speaker 1: this day and age, I would never My sister, as
Speaker 1: you all know, is a teacher. She's working at an
Speaker 1: independent school in New York. And you know, thankfully the
Speaker 1: school that she is working at is currently, you know,
Speaker 1: very small and is really about you know, progressive ideas
Speaker 1: and all of these things. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: the community is okay with that. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about somebody coming into that school and
Speaker 1: wanting to shoot it up. And that should not be
Speaker 1: a thought. My sister never had to think about those
Speaker 1: things when she was teaching abroad, and I think it's
Speaker 1: absolutely insane that one of the things that has her
Speaker 1: wondering if she wants to continue with education in a
Speaker 1: classroom capacity is her own safety. I don't know, folks,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is, but I got
Speaker 1: to tell you that this story, among so many others
Speaker 1: recently about children being shot and shooting other people is just, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess we have it outrage fatigue as to why
Speaker 1: this isn't making the kind of news that it should.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Coming up next my conversation with our
Speaker 1: friend Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk with our in house doctor, doctor
Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. I am always pleased, and folks, you know,
Speaker 1: I also want to shout out people who have been
Speaker 1: sending dms and tweets Jonathan to us about appreciating that
Speaker 1: our consistent conversations around COVID. I know that for some
Speaker 1: people that can be like, oh, why are we still
Speaker 1: talking about this? Well, because five hundred people a day
Speaker 1: are dying still of COVID nineteen and so, Jonathan, I
Speaker 1: just want to say to you, I consistently appreciate our
Speaker 1: in depth conversations that we get to have on the
Speaker 1: issues that are just not being touched upon in the mainstream.
Speaker 1: That being said, another conversation that I am just blown
Speaker 1: away is not receiving the type of world of Wall
Speaker 1: media coverage that it should is the horrific incident that
Speaker 1: happened in Virginia at an elementary school. A six year
Speaker 1: old dear friends brought a gun to school let off
Speaker 1: one round. Teacher twenty five years old, took a defensive
Speaker 1: posture put up her hand. The bullet went through her
Speaker 1: hand and into her chest. The child, now Jonathan is
Speaker 1: in custody. No idea what is happening with their parents?
Speaker 1: But I just want to open up my first question
Speaker 1: with you, which is just like, what the fuck, Like,
Speaker 1: how could this? And I say that I don't even
Speaker 1: say it tongue in cheek. I'm just like, what does
Speaker 1: it say about a country where a six year old
Speaker 1: can bring a loaded weapon to school point and direct
Speaker 1: it at a teacher, critically injuring them, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: make the headlines? Well, you know, I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: you're right, it is a horrible tragedy, and it's a
Speaker 1: tragedy on so many levels. So I just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that I'm not in any way making light of it.
Speaker 1: But I would say that the headlines around this story
Speaker 1: were so bizarre, right, because first there's this thing six
Speaker 1: year old shoots teacher and you just think, like, what
Speaker 1: world am I living in? For? So first when you
Speaker 1: see it, it's like a six year old shot a teacher.
Speaker 1: That's insane. And then the headlines after that are the
Speaker 1: gun was legally obtained, Like the headlines last couple of days,
Speaker 1: it was a legally licensed weapon of the mother, right,
Speaker 1: and so oh oh, that explains it. It was a
Speaker 1: legally obtained firearm that in that case never mind and
Speaker 1: so and then there's a discussion about like should this
Speaker 1: child be charged? You know, like and you just think, like,
Speaker 1: on every level, there's so much wrong. But I would
Speaker 1: say that it ties back to a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: we talk about when we talk about guns here, which
Speaker 1: is it's about habituation. Right, fifteen years ago, a story
Speaker 1: like this would have been like a national reckoning. It
Speaker 1: would have been, um, you know, where have we gone wrong?
Speaker 1: Even like ten years ago. But it's just the level
Speaker 1: of the level of violence, really the level of everyday
Speaker 1: violence that we're used to, that all the debates after
Speaker 1: this are you know, should they have metal detectors and schools, Oh,
Speaker 1: they don't have them in every room whatever. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: like that, the metal detectors are not the fucking problem. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like that. It's it's and and to your point, it's
Speaker 1: not even I don't care if the weapon was illegally
Speaker 1: obtained or legally obtained, the fact that you have a
Speaker 1: loaded gun in your frigging home that is not under
Speaker 1: somebody's lock and key, and that we don't have laws
Speaker 1: in Virginia or I don't know, Jonathan, you tell me,
Speaker 1: in what states do we have pause that require gun
Speaker 1: owners to have their guns under lock and key out
Speaker 1: of the reach of children, And like, you know, the
Speaker 1: thing is like, you're almost not talking about a law here.
Speaker 1: It's so obvious in a certain kind of way. I know.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, if you can be held criminally responsible
Speaker 1: and or liable? Right, I don't know. I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing is like, I'll argue both sides of this, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: this case because on one hand, it would a criminal
Speaker 1: would liability? Would would lock? Would Would it matter in
Speaker 1: this case if it's a mother, I think as I
Speaker 1: understand it a single mother, as as I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that's the story I saw, Um what would would would
Speaker 1: would it? Would it criminalizing the stop it from happening? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1: But I can say the flip side not about this
Speaker 1: particular case. Um, yeah, this case happened obviously in Virginia.
Speaker 1: Virginia actually has some gun laws, not a ton they
Speaker 1: used to have a lot more. Um. But but I
Speaker 1: would say the flip side of it, having not to
Speaker 1: do with this case, is about this question of liability
Speaker 1: and the reason I'm saying that is because we had
Speaker 1: a case here in Tennessee about ten years ago, which
Speaker 1: is I mean, like there's a there's there's no hierarchy.
Speaker 1: We're at the bottom of the horrible pyramid here. But
Speaker 1: the case we had here is a seven year old
Speaker 1: shot a four year old from an unsecured gun. And
Speaker 1: I can say that there is The bigger issue is
Speaker 1: that in Tennessee, we tried to say, um, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna make parents, We're gonna make pass a law
Speaker 1: that parents have to lock their guns when their kids
Speaker 1: are around, um to prevent possibly prevent this from happening again.
Speaker 1: And I will say it was almost part. It was
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I got into this whole
Speaker 1: field is that Democrats agreed, Republicans agreed. Everybody agreed, we
Speaker 1: have to lock up guns when they were kids around.
Speaker 1: It was such an obvious case. It was called mckayley's law,
Speaker 1: and the group that I'm affiliated with, Safe Tennessee was
Speaker 1: one of the leads of this. It was happening like
Speaker 1: in rural Tennessee, and everybody agreed. The judge agreed that
Speaker 1: people agreed that the vote was going to be the
Speaker 1: next day, and somehow the day before the vote happened
Speaker 1: to make it a law that the gunners had to
Speaker 1: lock up their guns. The n RAY sent in a
Speaker 1: ton of lobbyists and basically, they're very powerful here. If
Speaker 1: we if we kneecap you guys, you're never you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to run billboards again to you, we're going
Speaker 1: to come out against you. You're never going to see
Speaker 1: elected office again. And they threatened the people who were
Speaker 1: going to vote for it, and the next day all
Speaker 1: the Republicans voted against it. Because the n RAY was
Speaker 1: such a powerful lobby they were going to vote they
Speaker 1: were going to vote them out in a certain kind
Speaker 1: of way. And so the issue is first of all,
Speaker 1: seeing up close the power of what that means, because
Speaker 1: they were not they were not they were not kidding, right,
Speaker 1: they really could have. You know, people who crossed the
Speaker 1: NIRA here, they're they're gone, right, They're gone, And that's
Speaker 1: just the way the system works. So what I learned
Speaker 1: about this was, first of all, even something is uncomplicated
Speaker 1: as like let's lock up guns when kids are around,
Speaker 1: it's like this mentality of you give them an inch,
Speaker 1: you give them the whole thing. We're not going to
Speaker 1: give an anything. So this seems like the most obvious case.
Speaker 1: Number two is that if gun reform wants to get serious,
Speaker 1: it has to actually buffer. It has to give a
Speaker 1: room for these people in the middle who want to
Speaker 1: do the right thing, like you know, we're going to
Speaker 1: mobilize to keep you in office, or we're going to
Speaker 1: all vote for you as a Republican or something something
Speaker 1: like that. Like, the thing is, the threat of losing
Speaker 1: their job was so real, the n RA power was
Speaker 1: so real that even in this case, it just turned
Speaker 1: the votes and we lost the case. I mean we
Speaker 1: lost the case. I mean that that to me, like Jonathan,
Speaker 1: in this instance, right as you're talking, I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me think about this through the lens of the
Speaker 1: is bullshit evangelical pro lifers who walk around towns with
Speaker 1: these horrific made up images of twisted bodies, right, twist twisted,
Speaker 1: twisted fetuses, Right, this is the thing that they do.
Speaker 1: Everybody has seen this. How is it that we on
Speaker 1: the side of sanity do not use that same logic,
Speaker 1: right that say, which is illogical, but use it in
Speaker 1: a logical way. That is, how are you four seven
Speaker 1: year olds with guns? How are we not running then
Speaker 1: campaigns that say, if you are voting against a measure
Speaker 1: that is about keeping children safe, but you call yourself
Speaker 1: the party of Family Values, then clearly you don't want
Speaker 1: children safe, you want them riddled with bullets. So why
Speaker 1: don't we have then Micailey's face and whomever's face that
Speaker 1: has been taken by gun violence up on these signs
Speaker 1: and saying, if you're voting against this, then you want
Speaker 1: children dead like that because because you want to go
Speaker 1: at it with the oh will rally around you and
Speaker 1: keep you safe. And I'm like, fuck you, because it's
Speaker 1: not about them wanting to keep their jobs. They want
Speaker 1: to keep power. That is, that's a completely different conversation.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right now that you're exactly right. And what
Speaker 1: I would say is there's no counter to that power. Right,
Speaker 1: the n RAY is threatening to take away their power,
Speaker 1: but there's no flip side in a certain kind of way.
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly we rally after mass shootings and all
Speaker 1: these kind of things, but I would say that part
Speaker 1: of the issue the NRA. In the book I'm writing now,
Speaker 1: it talks about how the left doesn't understand gunpower. That's
Speaker 1: kind of one of my arguments because even what you
Speaker 1: just said implies there are rational actors who will be
Speaker 1: swayed by, you know, voters who will see the images
Speaker 1: of these kids and stuff like that. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: the NRA has already leveled the playing field, I mean
Speaker 1: as already one. It's like the n RA already owns
Speaker 1: the judges and the politicians right right, and so in
Speaker 1: a way, by the time it gets to the rational
Speaker 1: voters whose minds might be swayed, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: already the whole thing is already decided in a way.
Speaker 1: And so I mean, part of what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think about, and I don't know the answer, is like
Speaker 1: the gun safety movement needs to think much more about
Speaker 1: not just leveling with like the reason of people, but
Speaker 1: also like how do you get like upstream power in
Speaker 1: a way, because again there's this case and so many others,
Speaker 1: there's no counter Like the n RA can come in
Speaker 1: and say we control the system. Either you agree with us,
Speaker 1: or you're kneecapped and you're swimming at the fishes or
Speaker 1: horseheads in your bed or cement cement, you know, ski
Speaker 1: boots or something like that, but there's no counter to that, right.
Speaker 1: The only thing we have is like a linked to
Speaker 1: people's moral thing to vote differently than they do and
Speaker 1: unfortunately or to act differently they do. It's just like
Speaker 1: we're already way too downstream, right, So the question is like,
Speaker 1: how do you get up to the level of power
Speaker 1: where there's a stake to play at the level of power?
Speaker 1: And that's the hard question for this gun debate, right,
Speaker 1: because like the gun rights movement always says like eighty
Speaker 1: percent of people agree with background checks, and that's great,
Speaker 1: but it does also doesn't matter because the other side
Speaker 1: already controls the judges and the politicians and the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court and all that stuff. And so the question is like,
Speaker 1: what does upstream gun safety power look like? That's a
Speaker 1: really hard question, right. I don't know, but I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of in line with your question, right, which
Speaker 1: which is I mean, the nr I figured it out, right,
Speaker 1: They figured out the power is in judges. That that
Speaker 1: was their insight, and then they own the judges and
Speaker 1: my and my feeling is that, okay, so we're not
Speaker 1: going to get those judges back. Sure, we have Joe
Speaker 1: Biden as an office, right, now that has appointed more
Speaker 1: federal judges than Obama did in his first term. So great,
Speaker 1: we're on the right path, except you know, we have
Speaker 1: to ensure that Biden gets a second term, and then
Speaker 1: we have to ensure after that that we have Democrats
Speaker 1: consistently down the line in order to be able to
Speaker 1: and we hold the Senate in order to be able
Speaker 1: to get these judges approved over and over again. Right that,
Speaker 1: we have to over index in a way of judicial
Speaker 1: appointments in order to catch up with the way that
Speaker 1: the Republicans have been able to rewrite the judicial map.
Speaker 1: I believe, however, that we can actually own the narrative
Speaker 1: and the media and the information landscape that there has
Speaker 1: been no continued push except outside of these outraged headlines.
Speaker 1: Right that then dissipate the reason why. And here's a
Speaker 1: question for you, Jonathan, like, why do you think that
Speaker 1: a six year old shooting their teacher and critically wounding
Speaker 1: them is no longer headline news? Is it? Because we
Speaker 1: needed that six year old to take out the entire
Speaker 1: fucking classroom? Because that's our bar Now, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make any moral equivalence. This is
Speaker 1: a horrible tragedy. Uvaldi was even yep, bigger tragedy. And
Speaker 1: Uvaldi did get the media attention, and it did get
Speaker 1: the headlines, and it did kind of get some nominal
Speaker 1: legislation passed. But even then we went back to the baseline.
Speaker 1: And so I just think that the outrage about these cases,
Speaker 1: it's certainly what you have to do to mobilize your side, right,
Speaker 1: But I just feel like, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be too defeat us, but I mean, at
Speaker 1: times like this, and certainly I think there is something
Speaker 1: about the media narrative. You're exactly right that the reason
Speaker 1: something like this disappear from the headlines. I have no
Speaker 1: evidence for this, but it's not an accident, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what and that's what I think. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. No, there's there's bots, there's disaformation, there's
Speaker 1: algorithms like, it's not disappearing from headlines by accident. Um,
Speaker 1: just like after mass shootings they disappear. And I think
Speaker 1: it's not just people lose interest. I mean they do,
Speaker 1: there's science on that, but it's also that, um, there's
Speaker 1: something driving this out of the headline that I think
Speaker 1: is not an accident. Now that being said, I just
Speaker 1: think that outrage alone is not a motivator. And why
Speaker 1: isn't not a motivator? Um, it's not a vote motivator
Speaker 1: because gun rights people vote much more reliably than gun
Speaker 1: control people, No doubt that that shown again again, even
Speaker 1: though the guns are a wedge issue, pro gun people
Speaker 1: will vote much more reliably um on the issue of guns,
Speaker 1: um than than other people other people care about other things. UM.
Speaker 1: So that's that's one thing. But again the other is
Speaker 1: we're just three decades behind in the game for judges. Like,
Speaker 1: to me, that is the that is the entire story
Speaker 1: that and you and I've been talking about it, oh
Speaker 1: for like three years every single week, which is that
Speaker 1: absolutely Like, there's this horrible case, and then there's the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court of the United States where we've got three
Speaker 1: Trump judges who were A rated NRA and two other
Speaker 1: a rated NRA people and they're ruling. Last year, as
Speaker 1: we talked about, made doing anything about cases like this unconstitutional. Right.
Speaker 1: According to the Stroom report, if Virginia wanted to do
Speaker 1: something about this, they would have to if they wanted
Speaker 1: to pass a regulation, that regulation would have to be
Speaker 1: in keeping with the desires of white men who wrote
Speaker 1: the Constitution like seven thousand years ago, and so in
Speaker 1: a way, the framework on which we can do something
Speaker 1: about it is just so much smaller, like we just
Speaker 1: don't recognize that. And so I think the issue is
Speaker 1: part of the issue. And I know I say this
Speaker 1: all the time and it's probably like whatever, but you
Speaker 1: have to see where the power lies, right, gun power
Speaker 1: is identified power, and you have to kind of counter
Speaker 1: that with your own power. And unfortunately, even though moral
Speaker 1: outrage is important in these cases, and this case is
Speaker 1: horrible and it's just like, get me the hell out
Speaker 1: of this country. Is six year olds are shooting their teachers.
Speaker 1: But I also think that you have to learn from
Speaker 1: the NA It was a strategy over the past four
Speaker 1: decades where they realize where power lay. And so I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just you mean, think about how many
Speaker 1: times you and I have said judges, judges, judges. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, you know, it is really hard
Speaker 1: not to have a defeatist and just a deflated, deflated
Speaker 1: emotions around this, you know, and just feeling like we
Speaker 1: as normal average American citizens are just being held hostage
Speaker 1: in so many ways by the zealots, and that there
Speaker 1: isn't any time that we're going to see in our
Speaker 1: lifetime relief. Because if we're talking about three decades behind
Speaker 1: in terms of judge appointments, then we're talking about what
Speaker 1: having how many Democratic presidents in a row and holding
Speaker 1: the Senate for how long in order to get this
Speaker 1: in order to even even out, you know, it seems
Speaker 1: it seems absurd. You know, the the Gun Control Act
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty eight was a pretty big achievement, right,
Speaker 1: It was a pretty big achievement. I mean there were
Speaker 1: problems with it, right, but we passed legislation in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight that did a lot of stuff. And even
Speaker 1: the Crime Bill in the eighties, which is or nineties,
Speaker 1: which is bad in a lot of ways. It had
Speaker 1: an assault weapons ban as part of the crime bill,
Speaker 1: the one that Joe Biden gets, you know, so much
Speaker 1: blowback about. But but when's the last time you saw
Speaker 1: a gun reform case go before the Supreme Court? We've
Speaker 1: had tons of gun rights cases. I mean I can
Speaker 1: reel them off, you know, from you know, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, twenty ten, twenty twelve, two years ago with
Speaker 1: New York and then twenty twenty with New York, like
Speaker 1: gun rights cases go before the Supreme Court all the
Speaker 1: freaking time. When's the last time we had a gun
Speaker 1: safety case go before the Supreme Court? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no it hasn't. And so in a way, I just
Speaker 1: think that that's like the imbalance that we have to
Speaker 1: kind of see, which is it's not just about moral outrage,
Speaker 1: it's also about like all this other stuff. Now, of
Speaker 1: course you need you need a moral outrage to drive
Speaker 1: popular support, you know, to get there in a certain
Speaker 1: kind of way. But it just I mean, we're figuring
Speaker 1: this out, but we just have we're paying. We're paying
Speaker 1: the price for I think a couple of decades of
Speaker 1: of not playing the game as well as the other
Speaker 1: side was, or not taking the n a seriously enough.
Speaker 1: Um twenty twelve was a big moment there. So I
Speaker 1: don't mean to like, am I bumming you out here?
Speaker 1: You kind of are, But I mean it's not you're
Speaker 1: not a clown. It's not your job to like entertain
Speaker 1: me into have lifted spirits. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like it's the reality. Well, I mean, let me
Speaker 1: be clear, students should not be shooting their teachers. Six
Speaker 1: year old should not have guns. You know, it's see
Speaker 1: it seems common sense. You know, it seems like a
Speaker 1: fucking baseline. I mean, like I just want to say
Speaker 1: that's the price of admission. I agree with all the points,
Speaker 1: like this ship should not be happening, But I would
Speaker 1: also say, like, so, where do we go from here?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just for me, I feel like seeing
Speaker 1: behind the curtain in a way makes makes it makes
Speaker 1: us feel less helpless because we can see that it's
Speaker 1: actually part of a strategy which we're not helpless about.
Speaker 1: We just have to have better strategies than we've had.
Speaker 1: I just you know, I will end by saying this,
Speaker 1: I feel so. I feel so and I don't even
Speaker 1: know what the word is for parents and caregivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't know how people in this country have
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to send their kids to school and not
Speaker 1: let lose their mind throughout their work day. You know
Speaker 1: that every time that their phone buzzes that it isn't
Speaker 1: some alert that's saying there was a mass shooting. Come
Speaker 1: identify your child, you know, but we can't tell you
Speaker 1: at this time whether they're alive or dead. Like that
Speaker 1: just seems like par for the course of what it
Speaker 1: means to be a parent or a caregiver in America.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, how, but also think about how
Speaker 1: this ups the ante, right, because when we think about
Speaker 1: school shooting, we think about the armed intruder. But now
Speaker 1: the school shooting is happening by the students. Right in
Speaker 1: a way, it's it's there's another thing for parents to
Speaker 1: worry about. I mean that, but that had been the
Speaker 1: case with several of the high school shootings that we've
Speaker 1: seen have all been students. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But this this isn't high school. Yeah, yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: it's a mess. I mean, in a in a better
Speaker 1: functioning country, which in Brazil we are not at right now.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in the United States were uh um, you know,
Speaker 1: this would be a moment of reckoning, Like you know,
Speaker 1: this would be a moment of reckoning about like save
Speaker 1: the children, which is like supposedly what like those other
Speaker 1: dudes are all about. But but that's not where we're at,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just every road leads back to Morgan's Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but I'm an optimistic, cheerful person, and I feel
Speaker 1: like we're going to change the tide here. At some
Speaker 1: point your book will, so, Harry, I didn't finish it.
Speaker 1: My new book coming out January next year. Everybody, we'll
Speaker 1: hold on and wait until then, Jonathan. We need this
Speaker 1: book to be life saving and life changing. As always,
Speaker 1: dear friend, we appreciate your analysis and insight, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk again next week. God only knows what'll be in
Speaker 1: the headlines. Then well, I'll be, I'll be. I'll be
Speaker 1: dialing in from California next week so we can talk
Speaker 1: about climate next week. Wonderful. Great. I hope you won't
Speaker 1: be underwater or under a mud slide. And just to
Speaker 1: remind everybody, I love puppies and lollipops are fantastic. I'm
Speaker 1: totally pro lollipop. I love Captain Crush with crunchberries. So
Speaker 1: you know there's other parts of me too, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: are joyful. Thank you, Jonathan. That is it for me today,
Speaker 1: Dear friends, on woke f as always, Power to the
Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and
Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.