1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peep Sena. Welcome to wikate F Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker Friends. 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Coming up next is my weekly conversation with our friend, 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, and I have to tell you that 5 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm just going to give you a warning it is 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: not an uplifting conversation because we're talking once again about guns. 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: This week, we received an update about the shooting of 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: the twenty five year old teacher in Virginia by her 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: six year old student, and I just don't have the 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: ability anymore to sustain outrage, just from my own mental 11 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: health and well being. That being said, I just am 12 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: beside myself that a six year old bringing a loaded 13 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: weapon to school, critically wounding their teacher is not receiving 14 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: wall to wall coverage. How fucking broken is America at 15 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: this point? This is the thought that just keeps consuming 16 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: my thoughts. I used to work, as many of you 17 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: know who've listened to the show for a while, My 18 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: background is in education, in education policy. I was an 19 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: elementary school teacher. I taught first in second grade for 20 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: a couple of years before I went to Capitol Hill 21 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: to work on education policy, And I have got to 22 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: tell you that all I keep thinking about when I'm 23 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: thinking about this six year old is a like my 24 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: former students who are now totally grown kids, but like 25 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: their faces and their inquisitive nature and the fact that 26 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with you, they're not adults 27 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: by any sense of the imagination. They're not even tweens. 28 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: But they are learning right from wrong. They are understanding 29 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: and learning about expectations, both by their families and by 30 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: their teachers. You're learning your roles. What the fuck is 31 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: going on when one a six year old has ready 32 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: access to a loaded weapon knows that it is a 33 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: weapon that causes harm? What is going through their mind 34 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: when they packed that weapon in their bag and went 35 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: to school. That's the one thing. The second is why, 36 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: why in God's name, if you are a gun owner 37 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: do you not have your gun under lock and fucking key, 38 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: like I'm talking like fingerprint style lock and key in 39 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: your home, out of the reach and out of the 40 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: sight of fucking children. How do we not have legislation? 41 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: And one of the questions that I will ask Jonathan, 42 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: and he provides an interesting answer to is should we 43 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: And again I don't know in what society this is 44 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: going to happen in because we can't agree on, you know, 45 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: the existence of climate change. We can't agree on, you know, 46 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: fair elections. We can't agree on whether or not gravity exists, 47 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: like in this current fucking climate of America. But should 48 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: there be the pursuit of laws on the books that 49 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: would make it criminalized If your weapon is not under 50 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: lock and key, a child gets access to it and 51 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: kill somebody or critically wounds them, should you not be 52 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: held liable because the responsibility is on the gun owner. 53 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I have so many questions about what is 54 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: happening in that home, What is going on with that child? 55 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: Were their red flags? Why is a gun just laying 56 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: a fucking around. There are so many questions that have 57 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: yet to be answered and probably never will be. But 58 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you want to carry a weapon, if 59 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: it's a fucking constitutional right to do so, must the 60 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: rest of us live in a hostage zone? Because I'm 61 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: telling you, we are finding so many ways to make 62 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: it certain that those that want to educate kids, those 63 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: that want to be teachers and caregivers, are going to 64 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: run from this profession Because I'm telling you that in 65 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: this day and age, I would never My sister, as 66 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: you all know, is a teacher. She's working at an 67 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: independent school in New York. And you know, thankfully the 68 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: school that she is working at is currently, you know, 69 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: very small and is really about you know, progressive ideas 70 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: and all of these things. But that doesn't mean that 71 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: the community is okay with that. That doesn't mean that 72 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about somebody coming into that school and 73 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: wanting to shoot it up. And that should not be 74 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: a thought. My sister never had to think about those 75 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: things when she was teaching abroad, and I think it's 76 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: absolutely insane that one of the things that has her 77 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: wondering if she wants to continue with education in a 78 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: classroom capacity is her own safety. I don't know, folks, 79 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is, but I got 80 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: to tell you that this story, among so many others 81 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: recently about children being shot and shooting other people is just, yeah, 82 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: I guess we have it outrage fatigue as to why 83 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: this isn't making the kind of news that it should. 84 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: I don't know. Coming up next my conversation with our 85 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: friend Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we have 86 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk with our in house doctor, doctor 87 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. I am always pleased, and folks, you know, 88 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: I also want to shout out people who have been 89 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: sending dms and tweets Jonathan to us about appreciating that 90 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: our consistent conversations around COVID. I know that for some 91 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: people that can be like, oh, why are we still 92 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: talking about this? Well, because five hundred people a day 93 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: are dying still of COVID nineteen and so, Jonathan, I 94 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: just want to say to you, I consistently appreciate our 95 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: in depth conversations that we get to have on the 96 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: issues that are just not being touched upon in the mainstream. 97 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: That being said, another conversation that I am just blown 98 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: away is not receiving the type of world of Wall 99 00:07:53,760 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: media coverage that it should is the horrific incident that 100 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: happened in Virginia at an elementary school. A six year 101 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: old dear friends brought a gun to school let off 102 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: one round. Teacher twenty five years old, took a defensive 103 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: posture put up her hand. The bullet went through her 104 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: hand and into her chest. The child, now Jonathan is 105 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: in custody. No idea what is happening with their parents? 106 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: But I just want to open up my first question 107 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: with you, which is just like, what the fuck, Like, 108 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: how could this? And I say that I don't even 109 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: say it tongue in cheek. I'm just like, what does 110 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: it say about a country where a six year old 111 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: can bring a loaded weapon to school point and direct 112 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: it at a teacher, critically injuring them, and it doesn't 113 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: make the headlines? Well, you know, I mean, first of all, 114 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: you're right, it is a horrible tragedy, and it's a 115 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: tragedy on so many levels. So I just want to 116 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: acknowledge that I'm not in any way making light of it. 117 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: But I would say that the headlines around this story 118 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: were so bizarre, right, because first there's this thing six 119 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: year old shoots teacher and you just think, like, what 120 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: world am I living in? For? So first when you 121 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: see it, it's like a six year old shot a teacher. 122 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: That's insane. And then the headlines after that are the 123 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: gun was legally obtained, Like the headlines last couple of days, 124 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: it was a legally licensed weapon of the mother, right, 125 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: and so oh oh, that explains it. It was a 126 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: legally obtained firearm that in that case never mind and 127 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: so and then there's a discussion about like should this 128 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: child be charged? You know, like and you just think, like, 129 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: on every level, there's so much wrong. But I would 130 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: say that it ties back to a lot of stuff 131 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: we talk about when we talk about guns here, which 132 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: is it's about habituation. Right, fifteen years ago, a story 133 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: like this would have been like a national reckoning. It 134 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: would have been, um, you know, where have we gone wrong? 135 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: Even like ten years ago. But it's just the level 136 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: of the level of violence, really the level of everyday 137 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: violence that we're used to, that all the debates after 138 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: this are you know, should they have metal detectors and schools, Oh, 139 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: they don't have them in every room whatever. I'm just like, 140 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: like that, the metal detectors are not the fucking problem. Yeah, right, 141 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: like that. It's it's and and to your point, it's 142 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: not even I don't care if the weapon was illegally 143 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: obtained or legally obtained, the fact that you have a 144 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: loaded gun in your frigging home that is not under 145 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: somebody's lock and key, and that we don't have laws 146 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: in Virginia or I don't know, Jonathan, you tell me, 147 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: in what states do we have pause that require gun 148 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: owners to have their guns under lock and key out 149 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: of the reach of children, And like, you know, the 150 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: thing is like, you're almost not talking about a law here. 151 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: It's so obvious in a certain kind of way. I know. 152 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: But I'm like, if you can be held criminally responsible 153 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: and or liable? Right, I don't know. I mean, the 154 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: thing is like, I'll argue both sides of this, right, Okay, 155 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: this case because on one hand, it would a criminal 156 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: would liability? Would would lock? Would Would it matter in 157 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: this case if it's a mother, I think as I 158 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: understand it a single mother, as as I'm not sure 159 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: that's the story I saw, Um what would would would 160 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: would it? Would it criminalizing the stop it from happening? Um, 161 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. 162 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: But I can say the flip side not about this 163 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: particular case. Um, yeah, this case happened obviously in Virginia. 164 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Virginia actually has some gun laws, not a ton they 165 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: used to have a lot more. Um. But but I 166 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: would say the flip side of it, having not to 167 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: do with this case, is about this question of liability 168 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: and the reason I'm saying that is because we had 169 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: a case here in Tennessee about ten years ago, which 170 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: is I mean, like there's a there's there's no hierarchy. 171 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: We're at the bottom of the horrible pyramid here. But 172 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: the case we had here is a seven year old 173 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: shot a four year old from an unsecured gun. And 174 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: I can say that there is The bigger issue is 175 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: that in Tennessee, we tried to say, um, we're gonna 176 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna make parents, We're gonna make pass a law 177 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: that parents have to lock their guns when their kids 178 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: are around, um to prevent possibly prevent this from happening again. 179 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: And I will say it was almost part. It was 180 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I got into this whole 181 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: field is that Democrats agreed, Republicans agreed. Everybody agreed, we 182 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: have to lock up guns when they were kids around. 183 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: It was such an obvious case. It was called mckayley's law, 184 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: and the group that I'm affiliated with, Safe Tennessee was 185 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: one of the leads of this. It was happening like 186 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: in rural Tennessee, and everybody agreed. The judge agreed that 187 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: people agreed that the vote was going to be the 188 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: next day, and somehow the day before the vote happened 189 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: to make it a law that the gunners had to 190 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: lock up their guns. The n RAY sent in a 191 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: ton of lobbyists and basically, they're very powerful here. If 192 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: we if we kneecap you guys, you're never you know, 193 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: we're going to run billboards again to you, we're going 194 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: to come out against you. You're never going to see 195 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: elected office again. And they threatened the people who were 196 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: going to vote for it, and the next day all 197 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the Republicans voted against it. Because the n RAY was 198 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: such a powerful lobby they were going to vote they 199 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: were going to vote them out in a certain kind 200 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: of way. And so the issue is first of all, 201 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: seeing up close the power of what that means, because 202 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: they were not they were not they were not kidding, right, 203 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: they really could have. You know, people who crossed the 204 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: NIRA here, they're they're gone, right, They're gone, And that's 205 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: just the way the system works. So what I learned 206 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: about this was, first of all, even something is uncomplicated 207 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: as like let's lock up guns when kids are around, 208 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: it's like this mentality of you give them an inch, 209 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: you give them the whole thing. We're not going to 210 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: give an anything. So this seems like the most obvious case. 211 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: Number two is that if gun reform wants to get serious, 212 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: it has to actually buffer. It has to give a 213 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: room for these people in the middle who want to 214 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: do the right thing, like you know, we're going to 215 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: mobilize to keep you in office, or we're going to 216 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: all vote for you as a Republican or something something 217 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: like that. Like, the thing is, the threat of losing 218 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: their job was so real, the n RA power was 219 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: so real that even in this case, it just turned 220 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: the votes and we lost the case. I mean we 221 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: lost the case. I mean that that to me, like Jonathan, 222 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: in this instance, right as you're talking, I'm thinking to myself, Okay, 223 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: let me think about this through the lens of the 224 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: is bullshit evangelical pro lifers who walk around towns with 225 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: these horrific made up images of twisted bodies, right, twist twisted, 226 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: twisted fetuses, Right, this is the thing that they do. 227 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: Everybody has seen this. How is it that we on 228 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: the side of sanity do not use that same logic, 229 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: right that say, which is illogical, but use it in 230 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: a logical way. That is, how are you four seven 231 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: year olds with guns? How are we not running then 232 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: campaigns that say, if you are voting against a measure 233 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: that is about keeping children safe, but you call yourself 234 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: the party of Family Values, then clearly you don't want 235 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: children safe, you want them riddled with bullets. So why 236 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: don't we have then Micailey's face and whomever's face that 237 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: has been taken by gun violence up on these signs 238 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: and saying, if you're voting against this, then you want 239 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: children dead like that because because you want to go 240 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: at it with the oh will rally around you and 241 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: keep you safe. And I'm like, fuck you, because it's 242 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: not about them wanting to keep their jobs. They want 243 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: to keep power. That is, that's a completely different conversation. 244 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: That's exactly right now that you're exactly right. And what 245 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: I would say is there's no counter to that power. Right, 246 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: the n RAY is threatening to take away their power, 247 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: but there's no flip side in a certain kind of way. 248 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly we rally after mass shootings and all 249 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: these kind of things, but I would say that part 250 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: of the issue the NRA. In the book I'm writing now, 251 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: it talks about how the left doesn't understand gunpower. That's 252 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: kind of one of my arguments because even what you 253 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: just said implies there are rational actors who will be 254 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: swayed by, you know, voters who will see the images 255 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: of these kids and stuff like that. But the thing is, 256 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: the NRA has already leveled the playing field, I mean 257 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: as already one. It's like the n RA already owns 258 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: the judges and the politicians right right, and so in 259 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: a way, by the time it gets to the rational 260 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: voters whose minds might be swayed, the whole thing is 261 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: already the whole thing is already decided in a way. 262 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: And so I mean, part of what I'm trying to 263 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: think about, and I don't know the answer, is like 264 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: the gun safety movement needs to think much more about 265 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: not just leveling with like the reason of people, but 266 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: also like how do you get like upstream power in 267 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: a way, because again there's this case and so many others, 268 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: there's no counter Like the n RA can come in 269 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: and say we control the system. Either you agree with us, 270 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: or you're kneecapped and you're swimming at the fishes or 271 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: horseheads in your bed or cement cement, you know, ski 272 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: boots or something like that, but there's no counter to that, right. 273 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: The only thing we have is like a linked to 274 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: people's moral thing to vote differently than they do and 275 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: unfortunately or to act differently they do. It's just like 276 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: we're already way too downstream, right, So the question is like, 277 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: how do you get up to the level of power 278 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: where there's a stake to play at the level of power? 279 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: And that's the hard question for this gun debate, right, 280 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: because like the gun rights movement always says like eighty 281 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: percent of people agree with background checks, and that's great, 282 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: but it does also doesn't matter because the other side 283 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: already controls the judges and the politicians and the Supreme 284 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: Court and all that stuff. And so the question is like, 285 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: what does upstream gun safety power look like? That's a 286 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: really hard question, right. I don't know, but I think 287 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of in line with your question, right, which 288 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: which is I mean, the nr I figured it out, right, 289 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: They figured out the power is in judges. That that 290 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: was their insight, and then they own the judges and 291 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 1: my and my feeling is that, okay, so we're not 292 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: going to get those judges back. Sure, we have Joe 293 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: Biden as an office, right, now that has appointed more 294 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: federal judges than Obama did in his first term. So great, 295 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: we're on the right path, except you know, we have 296 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: to ensure that Biden gets a second term, and then 297 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: we have to ensure after that that we have Democrats 298 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: consistently down the line in order to be able to 299 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: and we hold the Senate in order to be able 300 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: to get these judges approved over and over again. Right that, 301 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: we have to over index in a way of judicial 302 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: appointments in order to catch up with the way that 303 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: the Republicans have been able to rewrite the judicial map. 304 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: I believe, however, that we can actually own the narrative 305 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: and the media and the information landscape that there has 306 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: been no continued push except outside of these outraged headlines. 307 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: Right that then dissipate the reason why. And here's a 308 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: question for you, Jonathan, like, why do you think that 309 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: a six year old shooting their teacher and critically wounding 310 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: them is no longer headline news? Is it? Because we 311 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: needed that six year old to take out the entire 312 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: fucking classroom? Because that's our bar Now, well, I mean, 313 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make any moral equivalence. This is 314 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: a horrible tragedy. Uvaldi was even yep, bigger tragedy. And 315 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: Uvaldi did get the media attention, and it did get 316 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the headlines, and it did kind of get some nominal 317 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: legislation passed. But even then we went back to the baseline. 318 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: And so I just think that the outrage about these cases, 319 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: it's certainly what you have to do to mobilize your side, right, 320 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: But I just feel like, I don't know. I don't 321 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: mean to be too defeat us, but I mean, at 322 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: times like this, and certainly I think there is something 323 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: about the media narrative. You're exactly right that the reason 324 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: something like this disappear from the headlines. I have no 325 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: evidence for this, but it's not an accident, you know, 326 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: And that's what and that's what I think. Yeah, I 327 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: agree with you. No, there's there's bots, there's disaformation, there's 328 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: algorithms like, it's not disappearing from headlines by accident. Um, 329 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: just like after mass shootings they disappear. And I think 330 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: it's not just people lose interest. I mean they do, 331 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: there's science on that, but it's also that, um, there's 332 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: something driving this out of the headline that I think 333 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: is not an accident. Now that being said, I just 334 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: think that outrage alone is not a motivator. And why 335 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: isn't not a motivator? Um, it's not a vote motivator 336 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: because gun rights people vote much more reliably than gun 337 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: control people, No doubt that that shown again again, even 338 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: though the guns are a wedge issue, pro gun people 339 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: will vote much more reliably um on the issue of guns, 340 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: um than than other people other people care about other things. UM. 341 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's one thing. But again the other is 342 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: we're just three decades behind in the game for judges. Like, 343 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: to me, that is the that is the entire story 344 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: that and you and I've been talking about it, oh 345 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: for like three years every single week, which is that 346 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: absolutely Like, there's this horrible case, and then there's the 347 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court of the United States where we've got three 348 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Trump judges who were A rated NRA and two other 349 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: a rated NRA people and they're ruling. Last year, as 350 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: we talked about, made doing anything about cases like this unconstitutional. Right. 351 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: According to the Stroom report, if Virginia wanted to do 352 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: something about this, they would have to if they wanted 353 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: to pass a regulation, that regulation would have to be 354 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: in keeping with the desires of white men who wrote 355 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: the Constitution like seven thousand years ago, and so in 356 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: a way, the framework on which we can do something 357 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: about it is just so much smaller, like we just 358 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: don't recognize that. And so I think the issue is 359 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: part of the issue. And I know I say this 360 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: all the time and it's probably like whatever, but you 361 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: have to see where the power lies, right, gun power 362 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: is identified power, and you have to kind of counter 363 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: that with your own power. And unfortunately, even though moral 364 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: outrage is important in these cases, and this case is 365 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: horrible and it's just like, get me the hell out 366 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: of this country. Is six year olds are shooting their teachers. 367 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: But I also think that you have to learn from 368 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: the NA It was a strategy over the past four 369 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: decades where they realize where power lay. And so I 370 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: don't know, I just you mean, think about how many 371 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: times you and I have said judges, judges, judges. Yeah. 372 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, you know, it is really hard 373 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: not to have a defeatist and just a deflated, deflated 374 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: emotions around this, you know, and just feeling like we 375 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: as normal average American citizens are just being held hostage 376 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: in so many ways by the zealots, and that there 377 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: isn't any time that we're going to see in our 378 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: lifetime relief. Because if we're talking about three decades behind 379 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: in terms of judge appointments, then we're talking about what 380 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: having how many Democratic presidents in a row and holding 381 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: the Senate for how long in order to get this 382 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: in order to even even out, you know, it seems 383 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: it seems absurd. You know, the the Gun Control Act 384 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty eight was a pretty big achievement, right, 385 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: It was a pretty big achievement. I mean there were 386 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: problems with it, right, but we passed legislation in nineteen 387 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: sixty eight that did a lot of stuff. And even 388 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: the Crime Bill in the eighties, which is or nineties, 389 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: which is bad in a lot of ways. It had 390 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: an assault weapons ban as part of the crime bill, 391 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: the one that Joe Biden gets, you know, so much 392 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: blowback about. But but when's the last time you saw 393 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: a gun reform case go before the Supreme Court? We've 394 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: had tons of gun rights cases. I mean I can 395 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: reel them off, you know, from you know, two thousand 396 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: and eight, twenty ten, twenty twelve, two years ago with 397 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: New York and then twenty twenty with New York, like 398 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: gun rights cases go before the Supreme Court all the 399 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: freaking time. When's the last time we had a gun 400 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: safety case go before the Supreme Court? I don't know. Yeah, 401 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: no it hasn't. And so in a way, I just 402 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: think that that's like the imbalance that we have to 403 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: kind of see, which is it's not just about moral outrage, 404 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: it's also about like all this other stuff. Now, of 405 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: course you need you need a moral outrage to drive 406 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: popular support, you know, to get there in a certain 407 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: kind of way. But it just I mean, we're figuring 408 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: this out, but we just have we're paying. We're paying 409 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: the price for I think a couple of decades of 410 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: of not playing the game as well as the other 411 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: side was, or not taking the n a seriously enough. 412 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: Um twenty twelve was a big moment there. So I 413 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: don't mean to like, am I bumming you out here? 414 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: You kind of are, But I mean it's not you're 415 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: not a clown. It's not your job to like entertain 416 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: me into have lifted spirits. But at the same time, 417 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: it's like it's the reality. Well, I mean, let me 418 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: be clear, students should not be shooting their teachers. Six 419 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: year old should not have guns. You know, it's see 420 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: it seems common sense. You know, it seems like a 421 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: fucking baseline. I mean, like I just want to say 422 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: that's the price of admission. I agree with all the points, 423 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: like this ship should not be happening, But I would 424 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: also say, like, so, where do we go from here? 425 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just for me, I feel like seeing 426 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: behind the curtain in a way makes makes it makes 427 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: us feel less helpless because we can see that it's 428 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: actually part of a strategy which we're not helpless about. 429 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: We just have to have better strategies than we've had. 430 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: I just you know, I will end by saying this, 431 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: I feel so. I feel so and I don't even 432 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: know what the word is for parents and caregivers. Yeah, 433 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: I just don't know how people in this country have 434 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 1: the wherewithal to send their kids to school and not 435 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: let lose their mind throughout their work day. You know 436 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: that every time that their phone buzzes that it isn't 437 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: some alert that's saying there was a mass shooting. Come 438 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: identify your child, you know, but we can't tell you 439 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: at this time whether they're alive or dead. Like that 440 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: just seems like par for the course of what it 441 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: means to be a parent or a caregiver in America. 442 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, how, but also think about how 443 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: this ups the ante, right, because when we think about 444 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: school shooting, we think about the armed intruder. But now 445 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: the school shooting is happening by the students. Right in 446 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: a way, it's it's there's another thing for parents to 447 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: worry about. I mean that, but that had been the 448 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: case with several of the high school shootings that we've 449 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: seen have all been students. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 450 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: But this this isn't high school. Yeah, yeah, no, it's 451 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: it's a mess. I mean, in a in a better 452 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: functioning country, which in Brazil we are not at right now. 453 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in the United States were uh um, you know, 454 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: this would be a moment of reckoning, Like you know, 455 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: this would be a moment of reckoning about like save 456 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: the children, which is like supposedly what like those other 457 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: dudes are all about. But but that's not where we're at, 458 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: you know. It's just every road leads back to Morgan's Yeah. 459 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: But but I'm an optimistic, cheerful person, and I feel 460 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: like we're going to change the tide here. At some 461 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: point your book will, so, Harry, I didn't finish it. 462 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: My new book coming out January next year. Everybody, we'll 463 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: hold on and wait until then, Jonathan. We need this 464 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: book to be life saving and life changing. As always, 465 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: dear friend, we appreciate your analysis and insight, and we'll 466 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: talk again next week. God only knows what'll be in 467 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: the headlines. Then well, I'll be, I'll be. I'll be 468 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: dialing in from California next week so we can talk 469 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: about climate next week. Wonderful. Great. I hope you won't 470 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: be underwater or under a mud slide. And just to 471 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: remind everybody, I love puppies and lollipops are fantastic. I'm 472 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: totally pro lollipop. I love Captain Crush with crunchberries. So 473 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: you know there's other parts of me too, Yeah, that 474 00:29:50,440 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: are joyful. Thank you, Jonathan. That is it for me today, 475 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: Dear friends, on woke f as always, Power to the 476 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and 477 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.