Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show Current eve Fin.
Speaker 1: That's right, all the animal news that's fit to pop
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Speaker 1: Wales caught hugging on camera Angela Jolie covered in bees
Speaker 1: and a new glowing total it just dropped. Discovered this morse.
Speaker 1: We answer to the angel judge the discover the morse.
Speaker 1: We answer to the angel question, can you get sued
Speaker 1: by a bee for copyright infringement? Joining me today to
Speaker 1: go over the animal muse is co host of the
Speaker 1: podcast Ethnically Ambiguous Shrine Lenny Units. Welcome, Thanks Katie, thanks
Speaker 1: for thanks for having me. Also, I love that you
Speaker 1: called her Angela. Angel Jolie and Angie, that's not as
Speaker 1: pretty as Angelina. I'm not gonna lie Angela Angela. Look.
Speaker 1: I do like the name Angela, but it's definitely got
Speaker 1: more of like an office casual vibe. Yeah, but Angela
Speaker 1: is a beautiful name. No no, no shade towards Angela's
Speaker 1: but yeah, Angela Jolie definitely does get different. Yeah, it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well sharene I thought that today I would just like
Speaker 1: catch everyone up with all the animal news in the world.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Yeah, what's your opinion about whales? I
Speaker 1: think they are magnificent creatures. But I know if I
Speaker 1: was ever in an ocean and one was there, I
Speaker 1: would break my pants, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they're just like they're they're big enough to wear. They
Speaker 1: are terrifying, you know, But I think they're amazing really,
Speaker 1: Like there there are some creatures that are almost like
Speaker 1: they remind you of the world before humans, Like they're
Speaker 1: almost dinosaur age like. And that's why I feel like
Speaker 1: about whales, it's like, oh, animals in the Earth, they
Speaker 1: were here way before us, you know, Like I also
Speaker 1: give it about us. They're so huge and different from us,
Speaker 1: like in every way, the way they communicate their bodies,
Speaker 1: and it's like they're still mammals but they're the size
Speaker 1: of a building and they live underwater and their hands
Speaker 1: are fins. It's bizarre. It's like, yeah, no, evolution doesn't
Speaker 1: have like a preference for the human format. Noah, We're
Speaker 1: gonna make a building a floating building underwater. It's objectively
Speaker 1: cute to me that they have those blow blow holes
Speaker 1: like and it's just like spurred out, that's adorable. You
Speaker 1: cannot argue that that's like an adorable feature in a creature.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even a yeah, I can't even design that.
Speaker 1: You can't design that. It's just like yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: this magnificent giant creature of the scene. It comes up
Speaker 1: from the water and it's like, well, to make them
Speaker 1: even more adorable. For I think the first time ever
Speaker 1: there has been footage captured of whales hugging each other.
Speaker 1: Like literally, I'm not saying like, oh, this is the version,
Speaker 1: this is like the whale version of a hug or something.
Speaker 1: I'm literally a hug. A camera drone recorded to North
Speaker 1: Atlantic right, whales swimming fin and fin like one fin
Speaker 1: over the other whales back. Have you ever just thrown
Speaker 1: an arm around your friend's shoulder and they throw an
Speaker 1: arm around your shoulder and go swimming on like a
Speaker 1: big migration on the Atlantic Ocean. I just I just
Speaker 1: looked at the video just now. I'm not playing it
Speaker 1: with sound, but this is the new version of those
Speaker 1: otters holding hands, you know, like I love that video.
Speaker 1: I legitimately watched it at least once a month because
Speaker 1: it's so cute and it gives you life. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes me happy and just like bhinds me my mom.
Speaker 1: But um, this is the new version of that, just
Speaker 1: reminding us the animals are so much better than us.
Speaker 1: That's how I I mean, I do love those otters
Speaker 1: holding hands, but this like literally would blow them out
Speaker 1: of the water because there it's the size of two
Speaker 1: thousand otters, that's true. Going fin and fin. The whales
Speaker 1: were migrating from the Atlantic Ocean near the Caribbean to
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Ocean near the northeastern United States and Canada,
Speaker 1: where the whales go to give birth to their young
Speaker 1: and to eat a huge amount of zooplankton because the
Speaker 1: waters are very rich there with zooplankton. Researchers don't necessarily
Speaker 1: know why they're hugging like this, but I do like
Speaker 1: to think that their buddies, and they're just on their
Speaker 1: way and their migration. It's like it's is friendly little gesture.
Speaker 1: And we know that whales are highly social and generally speaking,
Speaker 1: quite friendly with one another, and that they communicate over
Speaker 1: long distances, So I think it's completely reasonable to see
Speaker 1: this as a friendly gesture, nuzzling up against one another
Speaker 1: and and kind of having fun being baxt to each
Speaker 1: other and getting comfort. Yeah, it's just it's so cute cut.
Speaker 1: It's also just like their belly to belly it's adorable.
Speaker 1: And and I think this from reading this, right, these whales.
Speaker 1: Whales are endangered, So I just think it's like, why
Speaker 1: would you ever coach or kill these animals are like
Speaker 1: contribute to their endanger, you know, they are definitely endangered.
Speaker 1: There's only about four hundred estimated to be left. Four
Speaker 1: hundred only it's a bad situation, yeah, just from from
Speaker 1: from hunting, from the fishing industry, and just the the
Speaker 1: our general alv mint in making the water like uninhabitable basically. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they are baling whales. So they are completely
Speaker 1: gentle and harmless. They have that rigid row of bristles,
Speaker 1: you know, like they whales. They just look like they
Speaker 1: got a bunch of brooms in their mouths and they
Speaker 1: just filter out krill and zooplankton from the water so
Speaker 1: they can eat it. Uh. And so they're very gentle giants.
Speaker 1: And there they are giant there about forty fifty ft long,
Speaker 1: which is thirteen to sixteen meters and they way up
Speaker 1: to seventy seven tons, so that means that they're bigger
Speaker 1: than most school buses. So if you take a school bus,
Speaker 1: give it fins and in an extra like five ft
Speaker 1: of length, like, then maybe you'll get get the get
Speaker 1: a North Atlantic right whale. Do you think they're attempting
Speaker 1: to mate here or what's the Do you think this
Speaker 1: one article I just pulled up says that are a
Speaker 1: spokesperson that is perhaps showing affection and attempts at mating.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the habit can tell that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that it's hard to tell
Speaker 1: because they're made, like the whales so often are deep
Speaker 1: under the ocean. That like, knowledge about their mating habits
Speaker 1: and all of these things is rather limited, so it's
Speaker 1: not like well known that, Yeah, this is the mating
Speaker 1: hug where you're like, hey, buddy, come over here, give
Speaker 1: me a side hug, and now now we mate, which
Speaker 1: I do feel like that is for humans. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: do initiate the side hug like a few steps before
Speaker 1: attempting mating, but that's like, that's quite There's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that happens between the side hug and actual mating.
Speaker 1: For humans, we gotta invite you over to watch a movie,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they put their hand around you
Speaker 1: being like, you know what's going you know, you know
Speaker 1: what you're getting into. You're going for a movie time, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: But the heather hand side hug is it takes a
Speaker 1: while to get from there to romance. For for people,
Speaker 1: it does seem a little romantic because they're kind of
Speaker 1: like stroking each other. It could I think it could
Speaker 1: be a precursor to mating. I just don't know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, regardless, it's just affectionate and lovely and I
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, what you said about being a gentle
Speaker 1: giant is very cool to note because the biggest and
Speaker 1: most powerful creatures are very gentle in this world, like elephants. Uh,
Speaker 1: Gorillas aren't like gentle, but they are vegetarian and you
Speaker 1: don't and they won't with you unless you people with them,
Speaker 1: you know, right. Whales are they don't give a thing
Speaker 1: about anything. They just like seriously swim around, filter food
Speaker 1: and just keep going. I mean, elephants will a bowl.
Speaker 1: Elephant will definitely mess you up if you get in
Speaker 1: its path and it's upset at you, but they are
Speaker 1: like it is. It's surprising to me that something like
Speaker 1: an elephant isn't more like a gro like they There
Speaker 1: have been things where an elephant will accidentally trample into
Speaker 1: someone's house and then like look around and see there's
Speaker 1: people there and gingerly like lift its legs like like
Speaker 1: not step on anyone. Elephants. I love elephants also. I
Speaker 1: mean this is a side note, but I always I
Speaker 1: learned a long time ago about like elephants morning ritually
Speaker 1: like more like mo you are. They're like tools and
Speaker 1: like when when they're they're dead. Yeah, it's so beautiful
Speaker 1: and heartbreaking, and I just I can't get over how
Speaker 1: this magnificent creature has been around for so long and
Speaker 1: has this intelligent way. I mean, they're very intelligent, but
Speaker 1: I just there's something in about those rituals that like
Speaker 1: really just like blew my mind. I just think they're amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they have they seem to have an awareness of
Speaker 1: each other and an awareness of of death. And we
Speaker 1: actually see that in whales someone as well. Not not
Speaker 1: necessarily mourning rituals, uh, but we do see like when
Speaker 1: oh whales baby dies often the mother will carry it
Speaker 1: for quite some time, and you see that as well
Speaker 1: with Obviously elephants can't really carry their young when they
Speaker 1: die because it's just too too difficult, but they will
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with them, so it's not
Speaker 1: it's hard to say whether or not that's an understanding
Speaker 1: of death, but it certainly means that there is a
Speaker 1: deep attachment that they have, and that you see that
Speaker 1: in a lot of like more intelligent animals like an
Speaker 1: ape like chimpanzees will sometimes hold onto a relative that
Speaker 1: has passed away and carry them for for a while
Speaker 1: because like they they still have that attachment. And there
Speaker 1: are some behaviors that seem to indicate that they may
Speaker 1: recognize that they're not no longer alive. Like it may
Speaker 1: not just be that they're like right right, It's hard
Speaker 1: to know exactly, Like it could be in the case
Speaker 1: of the whales, it could be that they don't quite
Speaker 1: don't quite understand that they're dead, but it seems like
Speaker 1: the behavior is so different from what their behavior would
Speaker 1: be with an actual living calf baby whale that I
Speaker 1: suspect that there may be some some understanding that something's wrong,
Speaker 1: but they just are not willing to let go yet,
Speaker 1: like yeah, which is so sad. I agree. I think
Speaker 1: it's just an indication of an awareness of a loss.
Speaker 1: And I'm just very I have a soft spot for
Speaker 1: any kind of like mother and or like parent cub
Speaker 1: or like child bond. I just like because I have
Speaker 1: like I love my mom more than anything, like mommy issues,
Speaker 1: but like, uh, when an animal has that same thing,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is yeah, there's an awareness and
Speaker 1: an emotional intelligence that you It makes you respect animals
Speaker 1: so much, and I just I love animals and I
Speaker 1: just I don't know anyway, that's my tangent about that now.
Speaker 1: I I feel it instant water works when I'm watching
Speaker 1: a nature documentary and like someone's like it's a mother's cub.
Speaker 1: They get separated somehow, or like the mother the cub
Speaker 1: dies and there's like you see like instant crying water works,
Speaker 1: nose running, it's ugly, it's messy, mucus all over my face,
Speaker 1: like just sobbing. I can't deal with it. I get
Speaker 1: so sad. It's interesting because like that you you brought
Speaker 1: up elephants because similar to elephants, in fact, even more
Speaker 1: than elephants. North Atlantic right, whales live a really long time.
Speaker 1: They can live up to seventy years old, but some
Speaker 1: individual have been estimated to be over a hundred years old,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they live a long time. And their age
Speaker 1: if you want to know, like, well, wait, how can
Speaker 1: you tell how old and whale is? You can't ask
Speaker 1: them their age. That's rude. But they actually do an
Speaker 1: archaeological dig into the whales ear wax, so like, uh,
Speaker 1: they will there's it's really it's kind of gross, but
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool. Whales get this thing where
Speaker 1: their ear wax just builds up over time, and unlike
Speaker 1: with us, where our ear wax kind of like falls out,
Speaker 1: it just stays sits in the ear canal, so it
Speaker 1: forms this like long candle of ear wax and it's
Speaker 1: like hard. It almost looks like a horn or an antler.
Speaker 1: It's inside the ear canal, so like, they don't have
Speaker 1: external ears. They just have an ear hole that goes
Speaker 1: kind of deep down into where it connects with the
Speaker 1: internal ear organs. And if you you can't see it
Speaker 1: from the outside, but if you pull out that ear wax,
Speaker 1: which usually like if if you find a whale carcass
Speaker 1: um that's how you would get one of these ear candles. Uh,
Speaker 1: It's like they wouldn't do it on a living whale.
Speaker 1: It's only when they Okay, yeah, you actually wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to remove it on a living whale because there's some
Speaker 1: evidence to suggest that it would help with their hearing
Speaker 1: because unlike a human where when we have too much
Speaker 1: ear wax build up, like it blocks our hearing. Because
Speaker 1: whales are underwater, the density of the ear wax is
Speaker 1: thought to be similar to the density of the water,
Speaker 1: so the sound would just seamlessly travel through their ear
Speaker 1: and then it would also kind of act like swim
Speaker 1: like ear plugs that prevent like when they if they
Speaker 1: surface and goes back down, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 1: potentially helpful that they have these. So yeah, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to pull it out of a living whale. But
Speaker 1: what's so interesting is that the ear wax changes color
Speaker 1: with the sea is in so due to dietary changes
Speaker 1: because they eat a lot in the summer. They like
Speaker 1: have a big feast in the summer, and it's more
Speaker 1: lean times in the winter, so they don't eat as much,
Speaker 1: so their ear wax forms alternating light dark color that
Speaker 1: matched the season's Uh, so like it's it's lighter I
Speaker 1: think in the winter and darker in the summer. I
Speaker 1: think that's how it goes, unless I got it confused.
Speaker 1: But anyways, they have these bands of darker exactly exactly
Speaker 1: and it looks really sick. If you count the bands,
Speaker 1: you can tell the age, just like a tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so fascinating. I mean, okay, I set this off
Speaker 1: Mike before we started, but this is like the coolest
Speaker 1: thing to me. Um. I okay, So I have a
Speaker 1: problem where I like, I pick my skin a lot,
Speaker 1: and so, uh, to stop that habit. I mean, I
Speaker 1: still do it, and I don't like that I do it,
Speaker 1: but to stuff that habit. Sometimes I will watch and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, grosses anyone out, but I know people are
Speaker 1: out there that relate to it. I just know you're
Speaker 1: out there. I'll watch like extraction videos with like like
Speaker 1: cysts or pimples or like ingrown hair. Stuff is really
Speaker 1: cool to me. But recently my newest thing is earwax extractions.
Speaker 1: Uh They're they're objectively gross. I'm not going to deny that,
Speaker 1: but they're all I could not stop watching them. Uh,
Speaker 1: They're so satisfying, and there are a lot of YouTube
Speaker 1: accounts like for whatever reason, mostly in the UK, but
Speaker 1: these doctors like walk you through what they're doing and
Speaker 1: like how they're extracting them and I'm like dying to
Speaker 1: get my ear wax extracted. To be honest, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it so much. Uh I do think
Speaker 1: can you imagine like if you're a whale, like how
Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably not good for them, right, but
Speaker 1: I felt so good to get that whole like that
Speaker 1: entire candle out of your Yeah, the whole time you
Speaker 1: were talking about is just like I mean, I would
Speaker 1: never want to watch it, only because I know that
Speaker 1: whale is not alive anymore. But it is sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very sad to me. But only if they die
Speaker 1: of like natural causes obviously, right, But yeah, like using
Speaker 1: a cute tip for me is hands down maybe the
Speaker 1: best feeling in the world. Or like, like you gotta
Speaker 1: be careful. That's the thing. If I think I used
Speaker 1: to too much and watching these earwax videos, it's helped
Speaker 1: me use them less because all these doctors are like
Speaker 1: this is this impaction is due to overuse of cotton
Speaker 1: swams and yeah, yeah, because when you use and I
Speaker 1: first of all, no judgment from me, because I understand
Speaker 1: that using Q tips does feel really good, but I
Speaker 1: also want to warn people that you shouldn't do it
Speaker 1: because it's it's advice. It's it's advice. It's advice, it's advice.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like doing doing some kind of
Speaker 1: horrible drug. But it's a keyte tip. But like it actually,
Speaker 1: first of all, you always risk if like you go
Speaker 1: too deep, you could actually puncture your ear drum, which
Speaker 1: is very bad. You don't want to do that. It's
Speaker 1: very painful. Little damage you're hearing not good. But even
Speaker 1: if you don't do that go go too deep, you
Speaker 1: still like but even though you feel like you're pulling
Speaker 1: ear wax out, you're actually pressing it in because you're
Speaker 1: like pushing in and so that will form uh and
Speaker 1: an impaction. And how our ears work is uh the
Speaker 1: reason like our ear wax comes out is that like
Speaker 1: the skin in the ear is constantly growing and renewing,
Speaker 1: and this sort of like almost a um. It's like
Speaker 1: a spiral and outward spiral. So, like Katie, the extractions,
Speaker 1: the skin ribbons, they call them skin ribbons. Those are
Speaker 1: the most Nope, it's the most no. Sol I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry that I'm not gross. The thing is, I don't
Speaker 1: find it that gross, but I don't. It's like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I I there's something about taking stuff
Speaker 1: out of the body where it's like I'm like wait,
Speaker 1: but like when I don't mind getting a shot or
Speaker 1: something like an injection, but if you take my blood,
Speaker 1: I'm like wait, but no, I need that like pulling,
Speaker 1: like pulling something out of the ear. It's like, don't
Speaker 1: you need that stuff? Well? Like what I mean like
Speaker 1: they only obviously take it out when there's like an
Speaker 1: issue now I know, I know, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: my visceral reactions. Like you're pulling stuff out of the bath.
Speaker 1: It's usually the opposite, right. That's an interesting thing that
Speaker 1: you have. It like you're almost like possessive of your body, right,
Speaker 1: or like you're protective of it. You know, don't exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so our ears, as the skin cells inside of
Speaker 1: our ears are constantly renewing, it pushes the ear wax out,
Speaker 1: so it's like it's almost like a little conveyor belt
Speaker 1: that starts to push the old ear wax out and
Speaker 1: it's wet when it starts out like in the ear.
Speaker 1: It as it hits the air, it drives and flakes out.
Speaker 1: And so often when you use a Q tip, you're
Speaker 1: kind of shoving it back in which you can form
Speaker 1: like an impaction. So on top of the risk of
Speaker 1: actually puncturing your ear gym, you don't want to avoid it.
Speaker 1: I know, Like I'm gonna say that and like people
Speaker 1: like because because you know, it's like if people just
Speaker 1: don't listen to that advice, but just just be careful,
Speaker 1: to be careful. I am trying to look into any
Speaker 1: wrecks extraction because I do think I know, maybe I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think there is an issue with me because I
Speaker 1: get a lot of vertigo. I get a lot of
Speaker 1: the ringing in my ears. Right, go to an ear doctor, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go to an ear doctor. And if you an ear doctor,
Speaker 1: will you do have an impaction? They'll they'll get it out.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will. And then they'll count the rings
Speaker 1: and tell your act And I have learned, I have
Speaker 1: learned a lot. Like it's so fascinating. That's depending on
Speaker 1: your age or your your health conditions, your your diet, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is true. This is true of whales too.
Speaker 1: In fact, researchers are taking advantage of that fact with whales,
Speaker 1: and they can tell like the whales diet, like whether
Speaker 1: they they're eating more or less, like if they're if
Speaker 1: they are getting adequate nutrition. They can even test for
Speaker 1: things like hormone levels in the whales, so they can
Speaker 1: tell if they're juvenile whales, like going through puberty. When
Speaker 1: they went through puberty, they can tell if something's wrong,
Speaker 1: like if they're really stressed out, they'll produce more cortisol
Speaker 1: and they can actually measure that in the ear candle.
Speaker 1: But like it's saved for years, so like they can
Speaker 1: look at the bands and like map out whales life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a fossil. It's like a record of the
Speaker 1: whales life recorded in ear wax. And apparently like a
Speaker 1: bunch of museums collected these these whale I think they're
Speaker 1: called like they just call them ear plugs or something
Speaker 1: or whale plugs, but I like to call them whale candles.
Speaker 1: But no, no, it's not. It's me being a weird
Speaker 1: But like it's like that scene in Shrek, remember when
Speaker 1: Shrek like pulled out that massive log of ear wax
Speaker 1: and moving he uses it as a candle. So gross,
Speaker 1: but also kind of fun. I mean sustainable, hey, sustainable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, when they when they use uh, apparently like
Speaker 1: museums kept collecting these things and they didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do with them. You can only like show the
Speaker 1: public so many of them before they're like all right,
Speaker 1: all right, that's enough. But they didn't throw them out yet.
Speaker 1: And so when researchers discovered how they can measure things
Speaker 1: like hormone levels and do these detailed analysis, like, they
Speaker 1: called up these museums and they're like, yeah, we have
Speaker 1: palettes and palettes of these like whale chunks of whale
Speaker 1: ear wax, and we were gonna throw them out at
Speaker 1: some point, but I guess we'll give them to you now.
Speaker 1: So good luck to all. And apparently it's a painstaking
Speaker 1: process of them, like like really going through and doing
Speaker 1: these micro scrapings and measuring these things. But much love
Speaker 1: to all the research technicians just digging through piles and
Speaker 1: piles of fossilized whale ear wax. I mean I kind
Speaker 1: of want to do that. We found for Sharie, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Finally I found my colleague. But yeah, it's it's fascinating
Speaker 1: to learn that there's like a fossilized little record about
Speaker 1: a whale's life. You know, it's it's just so cool,
Speaker 1: way an, those are cool. Just yep, yeah, just really so.
Speaker 1: Sharane and Jolie covered herself. Wait and I call her
Speaker 1: Angela again. Angelina covered and well, you know we're real close,
Speaker 1: so you know, I know, And anyways, that's silly. And
Speaker 1: she covered herself in bees? What next is that silly
Speaker 1: girl gonna get up to? Yeah, she was covered in
Speaker 1: bees for about eighteen minutes. She didn't get stung u
Speaker 1: probably because they recognize as her as their queen. She's
Speaker 1: a queen anyways, So I know, like whenever ange does
Speaker 1: stuff like everyone's like, I want to be like Angelina Jolie.
Speaker 1: I want to do the angel No, not Angeline. No,
Speaker 1: don't cover yourself and bees. It's not a good idea.
Speaker 1: Don't bother the bees. Bees are really even like, despite
Speaker 1: their reputation, most native bees, most honey bees really don't
Speaker 1: want to like deal. They don't want to sting you,
Speaker 1: they don't want to mess with you. They don't really
Speaker 1: do what if they feel threatened yeah, they don't mess
Speaker 1: with them. They don't mess with you. You know it,
Speaker 1: right rights, but you know, just don't handle them. Don't
Speaker 1: put them on you. I know Angelina Jolie is making
Speaker 1: it look cool, but don't put bees on you unless
Speaker 1: you're professional. Yeah, did you read that she didn't shower
Speaker 1: for days because for the shoot? Like something? No, I didn't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something about like what was it, Let me try to
Speaker 1: look it up, her natural pheromones, yeah or something. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was like like so, yeah, they told her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're wiping herself with pheromone. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: is pH And then then and then p h e
Speaker 1: r oh di meant. And then she said, you have
Speaker 1: all these different sense shampoos and perfumes and things, and
Speaker 1: the bee doesn't know what you are. So I think
Speaker 1: that was part of the reason why she didn't shower
Speaker 1: or something, or she's just look and you don't need
Speaker 1: to make an excuse. We all have times when we
Speaker 1: just don't want to shower for a while. You don't
Speaker 1: gotta You don't have to do a photo shoot with
Speaker 1: bees to justify not showering for a while, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's okay sometimes we just save a stink
Speaker 1: week and that's fine. I mean, I do understand the
Speaker 1: message behind it is it's because like I don't think
Speaker 1: a lot of people understand the damage we're doing two
Speaker 1: bees and how essential they are to our environment and
Speaker 1: literally pollinating everything. Um, but I feel like I know
Speaker 1: that it's like a I don't know a certain kind
Speaker 1: of way to get people's attention. I just people that
Speaker 1: go beyond the photo and understand like the reasoning behind it,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's that's what I hope. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was done with the very best intentions. She's
Speaker 1: advocating for a women's beekeeper program run by the United
Speaker 1: Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Foundation. Apparently it's also funded
Speaker 1: by uh Guerlan Guerraline. I don't know how to connec
Speaker 1: the French cosmetics company, which makes me slightly suspicious, Like
Speaker 1: is this some kind of like racket to collect bees
Speaker 1: wax for like cosmetics? Are they just like you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on. I think it's okay. I think it's
Speaker 1: just for the positive press though, that this h cosmetics
Speaker 1: company is doing it. But yeah, she she's like trying
Speaker 1: to draw attention to the plight of bees that bees
Speaker 1: are often endangered or even a threat of extinction due
Speaker 1: to pesticides and climate change. And it's not just honey bees,
Speaker 1: it's also native bees that are indigenous to UM like
Speaker 1: the United States that actually honey bees were introduced to
Speaker 1: the US, they're not an indigenous species UM and a
Speaker 1: lot of our native bees are also in threat of
Speaker 1: endangerment or extinction UM. And uh So I think like
Speaker 1: the message is good. I do think sometimes though when
Speaker 1: we proposed because like she's she has this like entrepreneurship
Speaker 1: program for female beekeepers and it's like, well, that's or
Speaker 1: entrepreneur entrepreneurship for women beekeepers. And I think that's great,
Speaker 1: But I think that people need to realize that we
Speaker 1: can't like necessarily entrepreneur our way out of this problem.
Speaker 1: I think that there are, um we need huge solutions
Speaker 1: to it, which is like, uh, you know, regulations on
Speaker 1: pesticides and environmental protections so that we're not destroying their habitat,
Speaker 1: we're not spraying a bunch of pesticides out there that
Speaker 1: killed the bees, and also addressing climate change because that's
Speaker 1: a huge force that is harming bees as temperatures rise.
Speaker 1: We have like seen a direct decline in bumblebee and
Speaker 1: honeybee populations. So I think that it's I think like
Speaker 1: the message is great, like in the idea of like
Speaker 1: having people doing like bee keeping and be preservation as
Speaker 1: sort of this entrepreneurship. That's fine, but it's you're you're
Speaker 1: helping for sure, but you're the responsibility that lies on
Speaker 1: each of our individual shoulders is is kind of like
Speaker 1: it's a small chunk of it, Like we need to
Speaker 1: like collectively do a big thing in order to preserve
Speaker 1: the environment. I mean, I agree, and I also think
Speaker 1: like there is a responsibility individually because I do believe
Speaker 1: in voting with your dollar if you're able to uh
Speaker 1: like or expressing what the public wants. So I am
Speaker 1: a huge environmentalist. It's a big reason why I stay
Speaker 1: away from animal products and like all the other other off.
Speaker 1: But like, I think everyone should just be conscious of
Speaker 1: what they're of the impact they're having, because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't really think twice about buying
Speaker 1: twelve pounds of whatever. Like I don't think there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of understanding of like the what happens right
Speaker 1: before it goes to the grocery store, and so I
Speaker 1: think the more that we as consumers tell the companies
Speaker 1: like what we want through what we purchase, that's the
Speaker 1: only way a company will change. Because a company just
Speaker 1: wants to make money, they'll do what's profitable for them.
Speaker 1: So I think the individual stuff matters. But I also
Speaker 1: agree that like we really have to build on that
Speaker 1: and make a bigger, bigger, uh impact somehow. But I
Speaker 1: will say I looked it up Gerlaine because I wanted
Speaker 1: to know if they are cruelty free. They are not
Speaker 1: cruelty free. That's I don't believe that they have good
Speaker 1: intentions with their ethics behind um standing with this the
Speaker 1: b thing. And I like that THEYR exactly exactly do
Speaker 1: what better gives them. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: corporations and companies, you don't trust them, They just do
Speaker 1: what better than them. I knew to be suspicious, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: I don't at this day and age. You don't have
Speaker 1: to test on animals. You don't need to support companies
Speaker 1: that test on animals aren't cruelty free. There's just so
Speaker 1: much out there that's a better option. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I absolutely agree, and I think that it's
Speaker 1: good to draw attention to bees and like like and
Speaker 1: and if you want to cover yourself and bees, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna stop you. But I think
Speaker 1: it is important, like when there's a feel good story
Speaker 1: about this, to kind of look a little deeper into
Speaker 1: the issue of like, you know, yes, it's great that
Speaker 1: people are doing bee keeping. I think that's fantastic. I
Speaker 1: love I love, you know, watching beekeepers and people who
Speaker 1: are especially like when it's not just honey bees and
Speaker 1: you're like helping facilitate the growth of native bee populations.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're very important for for food and pollination and
Speaker 1: for our agriculture, but like they're important for the environment
Speaker 1: as well because they're not just pollinating our crops, they're
Speaker 1: pollinating all so many fruits, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it just goes they're cool as health. I love bees
Speaker 1: so much, and it's I really want them to survive
Speaker 1: because bees are rad I think people get overwhelmed with
Speaker 1: how much that needs to be done. Honestly, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the environment, there's like it's too late at
Speaker 1: this point, it's a lost cause we've gone too far
Speaker 1: in this lane or whatever. But I think that's not true.
Speaker 1: I think the end goal is to make someone isn't
Speaker 1: to make the whole planet plant based or like whatever.
Speaker 1: I think the end goal is to just be conscious
Speaker 1: of the food you're eating and what you're the impact
Speaker 1: you're having on the environment, and what goes into the
Speaker 1: food you're eating, like a pest, like pesticides that are
Speaker 1: contributing to killing so many bee colonies, you know. So
Speaker 1: I think the end goal is just to make people
Speaker 1: conscious of, yes, what they're doing and the footprint they're having. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean if that person is able, I know there
Speaker 1: are um exceptions because of wealth and where you are
Speaker 1: at the world. I would never fault someone for doing
Speaker 1: what they can to like just live. But do you
Speaker 1: have the privilege to choose and to vote with your dollar?
Speaker 1: I yeah, no, I I agree. I think that. And
Speaker 1: also I don't want people to feel paralyzed by the
Speaker 1: idea that like, oh, we're so doomed, like the bees
Speaker 1: are all gonna die and there's nothing we can do
Speaker 1: about it, and solving these big issues is really hard.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, nature is extremely resilient, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, something like bees will be able to bounce
Speaker 1: back really spectacularly if we just give them some help.
Speaker 1: But in more being news, yeah, more bean is this
Speaker 1: is kind of fun. Sculptor Thomas Libertini is quote collaborating
Speaker 1: with bees to make sculptures constructed from wire frames and
Speaker 1: bee hives. Pretty cool. Yeah, collaboration seems a little generous,
Speaker 1: as if the bees were like, yeah, here, it takes
Speaker 1: some of it. Yeah, I don't think the bees like
Speaker 1: signed signed off on this, signed a contract on this.
Speaker 1: I feel like the bees could sue this guy because yes, um,
Speaker 1: but it's it's from what I can tell, it's basically
Speaker 1: he sets up a wire mesh in a shape like
Speaker 1: like various sculptures, like he's got vases, he's got the
Speaker 1: first thing I see here, queen yes, yes, and then
Speaker 1: just basically sets it up near the main bee hive.
Speaker 1: Is so they're encouraged to continue constructing their honeycomb around
Speaker 1: this wire frame. This whole face bust of Queen Nefertiti
Speaker 1: constructed in natural honey home, and the bees just go
Speaker 1: to work. And because the honeycomb is somewhat geometric, just
Speaker 1: naturally the way that it works, it looks like it's
Speaker 1: been three D printed. Side note, honeycomb is rad like beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: There's a skull one where he had them do it
Speaker 1: over the form of a of a human skull, which
Speaker 1: is really metal. They're beautiful, and they can take over
Speaker 1: two years and over sixty thousand bees working on it
Speaker 1: to complete. I don't know, I don't really like that
Speaker 1: you're wasting the bees time, like for some elitist art,
Speaker 1: like what's the what's gonna happen to the effort that
Speaker 1: they've put into this. I mean that's true, that's true
Speaker 1: of any like even like when we have honey or something,
Speaker 1: we are taking stuff from the bees. But on the
Speaker 1: other hand, I kind of I don't feel too bad
Speaker 1: about it because I think that he is he's basically
Speaker 1: he's got this high that he just puts this wire
Speaker 1: frame near so they have a lot of area where
Speaker 1: the rest of the colony is. I think like on average,
Speaker 1: the fact that like he seems to be taking good
Speaker 1: care of these bees, Like, yeah, he is technically removing
Speaker 1: stuff from the bees. I was kind of imagining again
Speaker 1: as like you're there in a room and no they're
Speaker 1: not like imprisoned in the in the sculpture until they
Speaker 1: completed the rest of the hive. Is intact. He doesn't
Speaker 1: like destroy the whole hive. And technically these sculptures could
Speaker 1: last indefinitely as long as they don't melt like bees
Speaker 1: wax and even honey lasts for thousands and thousands of years.
Speaker 1: You could eat, you could have some bee honey that's
Speaker 1: like thousands of years old. It's just like kind of yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it has like it has I think, um, like kind
Speaker 1: of antibiotic like or not antibiotic, but antibacterial. Yes, antibacterial
Speaker 1: elms to it that preserves the honey and and and
Speaker 1: bees wax is inert it doesn't. It's like, um, you
Speaker 1: know it can last basically is as long as it
Speaker 1: doesn't get melted, it'll be fine. So yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: really cool, and it is it's kind of ironic because
Speaker 1: like if you brought a hair dryer to the museum,
Speaker 1: destroy these works of art, but if you if you
Speaker 1: keep them in good condition, they could last for thousands
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's pretty sick, pretty sick
Speaker 1: to this guy. I mean, I also agree, like the
Speaker 1: use of labor is questionable, but if it's worth the
Speaker 1: attention that the cause is about, then I think it's worthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all. It's all doing things in moderation and maintaining
Speaker 1: the balance between what we take from nature and what
Speaker 1: we're what we're giving back. Yeah, I think I agree, alright,
Speaker 1: suring new glowing animal alert, blowing animal alert. I like
Speaker 1: to keep everyone up to date on whenever we find
Speaker 1: a new glowing animal. And we have and it is
Speaker 1: called the pumpkin totlet. Cutest name name I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, well, didn't look at them, because
Speaker 1: the name fits the baby. They're so so cute. They're
Speaker 1: so vibrant and like they look a pumpkin. Their orange
Speaker 1: and yes, oh my god, there's so little toady tody candycorns.
Speaker 1: They just discovered these, are you just like yeah, so
Speaker 1: they discovered a new species of these. Uh. Albeit, there
Speaker 1: are thirty six other species of pumpkin totlets, so the
Speaker 1: existence of the family of pumpkin totlets is well known.
Speaker 1: But there is a new species of pumpkin totlet and
Speaker 1: this one glows under are uv light. Toadlets are toads
Speaker 1: but small. We love that so much. I just love
Speaker 1: pumpkin toadlet together. But also to pumpkin totalt dune done,
Speaker 1: dune done. Pumpkin totallet done done, dune done. So cool. Also,
Speaker 1: like I would love to know the first impulse to
Speaker 1: put fluorescent light over Like how how did they're just
Speaker 1: doing it on tons of animals now because like they found,
Speaker 1: they just incidentally found that animals we don't expect have
Speaker 1: a fluorescence biofluorescence. Um, and so now we're just like like, well,
Speaker 1: let's see if this one glows, and see if that
Speaker 1: one glows, and sometimes they do. Yeah, no, it is,
Speaker 1: It's great. Uh. So the new species is called breaky
Speaker 1: breaky Cephalus rotten bear gay, which is the long name
Speaker 1: pumpkin totlet. Better, yes, pumpkin pumpkin totlet. They're bright orange,
Speaker 1: teeny teeny tiny toads about the size of your thumbnail. Uh.
Speaker 1: Little babies, little tiny orange babies, and like they are
Speaker 1: bright orange. Like I encourage everyone that's listening just google
Speaker 1: pumpkin totalt. They are yeah, so vibrant, adorable. I'll have
Speaker 1: a bunch of them in the show notes too, in
Speaker 1: the in the dock of show notes that you can
Speaker 1: see some of my favorite photos of pumpkin totlets because
Speaker 1: they are tiny, very tiny and small and also okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it gets cuter, it definitely gets cuter. So they are
Speaker 1: in Brazil's Atlantic Forest. So, like I said earlier, they
Speaker 1: are thirty six other species of pumpkin totlet. They're all
Speaker 1: bright orange, about the size of a thumbnail. They're super
Speaker 1: bright because this is a pis semitic coloration. So their
Speaker 1: skin and their organs are highly toxic, full of tetradotoxin,
Speaker 1: which is the same stuff that is found in like
Speaker 1: fugu fish organs, So it's bad to eat. You don't
Speaker 1: want to You don't want to eat these, but you
Speaker 1: also don't want to eat them because they're so cute.
Speaker 1: Their ears are so tiny and underdeveloped that they can't
Speaker 1: hear their own mating calls, so they don't lie on
Speaker 1: visual The visuals of the vocal sack inflating, as well
Speaker 1: as other signals such as mouth gaping, so opening and
Speaker 1: shutting their mouth and arm waving. So basically little tiny
Speaker 1: thumbnail size bright orange toadlets flapping and closing their mouths
Speaker 1: and waving their arms in the air and being like
Speaker 1: made with me, so like in their mouths. There's no
Speaker 1: like gross teeth or like gross anything in there. It's
Speaker 1: just like this little cartoon mouth like so so cute.
Speaker 1: And also I just love that they're like waving their
Speaker 1: hands and yeah, they don't even have ears or they
Speaker 1: just don't work. It's just they just don't work. They're underdeveloped. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, they're just waving their arms around,
Speaker 1: going like come get to this. There's a word you
Speaker 1: said earlier than I did understand their why are they
Speaker 1: colored at this? Wait? That APIs semitism? So that is
Speaker 1: warning coloration. So have you ever seen like the poison
Speaker 1: dart frogs and their name is you know, basically do
Speaker 1: it all? I want to look them up right now.
Speaker 1: There's many colors of poison dart frogs. There's bright reds,
Speaker 1: bright bright yellows. I don't understand how this is a
Speaker 1: real animal, Like these colors are absurd, but yeah, very cool.
Speaker 1: They are carnivores typically they yeah, they eat teeny tiny invertebrates,
Speaker 1: so you know the pumpkin totlet or the pumpkin totlet's
Speaker 1: eat tiny invertebrates or I guess insectivores is maybe more
Speaker 1: more of a fair thing. So also they do not
Speaker 1: have a tadpole stage, so their eggs hatch directly into
Speaker 1: just inconceivably tiny baby totlets, which I guess would be
Speaker 1: totalt let's totalt lets. Just teeny teeny tiny. That's so cute.
Speaker 1: This new species of pumpkin totlet is smaller than it's relative,
Speaker 1: so I think it's the smallest species of pumpkin totlet scovered.
Speaker 1: It's got a shorter snout. It's like the pug of
Speaker 1: the like the rent of the litter. As far as
Speaker 1: so cute, it's very cute. So so, the toads are
Speaker 1: sometimes bright colored to like warn other people or like
Speaker 1: ward other animals of their toxic or yes, yeah, okay interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so these so all the species of pumpkin totlet are
Speaker 1: this bright orange and they all have toxic skin and
Speaker 1: toxic organs. So that is a warning coloration, and it's
Speaker 1: it protects the toad because or the frog or whatever
Speaker 1: animal has that warning coloration because basically a predator will
Speaker 1: learn like when I eat this thing, I throw up
Speaker 1: and it's really bad, and so then they won't hassle
Speaker 1: them anymore. So yeah, because I feel like my impulse
Speaker 1: is to be like, oh, camouflage makes more sense, you know,
Speaker 1: like how it can Julien can like go away. But
Speaker 1: it's an interesting like flip of that, right, it's like
Speaker 1: to drawing more attention to them to be like don't
Speaker 1: eat me exactly exactly because if you like, camouflage is
Speaker 1: nice because then you don't have to invest in like
Speaker 1: a toxin in your body, so you don't have to
Speaker 1: make sort of the evolutionary investment of having to have
Speaker 1: actually be toxic, so that that's one way to evade predation.
Speaker 1: But if you do are able to get into that
Speaker 1: niche where you can produce a toxin that will make
Speaker 1: predators sick or even kill them, then you do want
Speaker 1: that warning coloration. You want to be as noticeable as
Speaker 1: possible because you're basically saying like, no, I'm not one
Speaker 1: of the ones you want to eat. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: what's interesting is you actually have mimics will mimic that
Speaker 1: bright coloration who are not toxic. But you can only
Speaker 1: have a certain amount of mimics because once you get
Speaker 1: too many mimics, like basically it's this, it's a um.
Speaker 1: You can't have too much noise in the learning process
Speaker 1: for predators. So like say you have a bunch of
Speaker 1: mimics that are mimicking the pumpkin totlet, and you have
Speaker 1: a predator eat plenty of them and not get sick,
Speaker 1: then the warning coloration no longer works. So you you see,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually sure whether the pumpkin totlet has a mimic.
Speaker 1: I don't, not that I'm aware of. But you see
Speaker 1: this especially in butterfly populations where mimics species like, the
Speaker 1: populations fluctuate somewhat so that the mimic species has always
Speaker 1: kept in control because if they get too numerous, then
Speaker 1: predation goes up, and then the both the mimic and
Speaker 1: the true species population like goes down, and so you
Speaker 1: get these like interesting patterns of population uh growth in
Speaker 1: in uh and decreasing if if that, like the mimic
Speaker 1: becomes too abundance. It's really it's actually there's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like complicated math that I don't remember,
Speaker 1: uh that that goes into it. But yeah, um so yeah,
Speaker 1: a little pumpkin toads uh, even though they're adorable and
Speaker 1: bright orange, they are trying to scream at you do anything.
Speaker 1: I know, I look tiny and delicious. They look like
Speaker 1: little candy corns thing we kind of do. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a very good color reference that brightens. But surprisingly they
Speaker 1: do actually glow under UV lie. They floor ess. So
Speaker 1: I think there are only two other species of pumpkin
Speaker 1: totlet that biofluoress. So this is very exciting. So this
Speaker 1: new the teeny tiniest of the pumpkin totlets also glow
Speaker 1: under UV light. They have this like patch of skin.
Speaker 1: It looks like these little bright blue glowy dots like
Speaker 1: they're in the freaking Avatar movie or something. It's really
Speaker 1: really cool. Are those are the things that are lit up?
Speaker 1: Are those just like organs or like what's there's like
Speaker 1: like a pattern on their body. Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what part of them is glowing.
Speaker 1: I would suspect that they have some some sells, some
Speaker 1: like pigment cells that that biofluoresce. But yeah, it does
Speaker 1: look like it could. It's true, like their their skin
Speaker 1: is They're so tiny that like their skin is somewhat translucent,
Speaker 1: so I could imagine that some of the cells could
Speaker 1: be like in or around organs and are glowing. But
Speaker 1: it's so cool. Also, their legs their little legs are
Speaker 1: just like especially the back ones, they're just kind of
Speaker 1: like pointy things. They don't have like the three uh
Speaker 1: in my in my brain, like what you what I
Speaker 1: would imagine a toe foot or a toad foot to
Speaker 1: look like right, yeah, there's little like pointy things. I
Speaker 1: mean there, they do have toes. They're just so small
Speaker 1: that it's like you can actually see the second toe
Speaker 1: a little bit behind the frog with their arms or
Speaker 1: their their front toes, like you can't see it's really
Speaker 1: hard to see the smaller toes because they're actually trans
Speaker 1: like translucent, like you can see through theirs because they're
Speaker 1: so small. They're so cool. Yeah, what cute little guy.
Speaker 1: They're actually not the smallest frog in the world. So
Speaker 1: I know these are called toadlets, and they are toads.
Speaker 1: Toads are all toads are frogs, not all frogs are toads.
Speaker 1: So basically toads are a sub group of frogs, and
Speaker 1: and basically toads have Toads have slightly different body shapes
Speaker 1: and behaviors and frogs. They tend to crawl, not jump.
Speaker 1: They tend to have a more like bulldog type body.
Speaker 1: They often have rougher skin than frogs. But the smallest
Speaker 1: frog in the world is actually the pedophrying amanusis or right,
Speaker 1: no pedophrying ammun ammunists ammunion like pumpkin toadlets or now,
Speaker 1: I don't I think I can find a cute name,
Speaker 1: but we could just call them like little little little
Speaker 1: pipsque pins squeakings. Yeah, that's good, little little little little
Speaker 1: pee little pee frogs. We'll call them little peepe frogs
Speaker 1: of Papua New Guinea forests. They are point to seven
Speaker 1: inches or seven millimeters long, So they're smaller than like
Speaker 1: the dude's face on a dime that's f d R
Speaker 1: right on the dime. Yeah, smaller than the FDR's face
Speaker 1: on the dime. Uh. And they are so small and delicate,
Speaker 1: their hands are completely transparent, and they are the world's
Speaker 1: smallest known vertebrate. Uh. Yeah, So we went from one
Speaker 1: of the largest vertebrates in the world, the whales, to
Speaker 1: the smallest little babiest. Yeah. I mean really imagine that, Like,
Speaker 1: get out a dime right now and just imagine how
Speaker 1: tiny this little creature is. That's so interesting. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like it's gonna fit on your pinky nail. Wow,
Speaker 1: and I want like now I want like little frogs,
Speaker 1: frog designs on my nails. Yeah, painting on each of
Speaker 1: my names and their colors just look really fascinating, Like
Speaker 1: it's almost like a splatter painting, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jackson Pollock who apparently they're so tiny researchers can't and
Speaker 1: because they're not bright orange like the pumpkin toadlets, they're
Speaker 1: very very hard to spot, so researchers can't just like
Speaker 1: go looking for them. They have to pick up a
Speaker 1: bunch of leaf litter and toss it in a bag
Speaker 1: and then like kind of like look around the bag
Speaker 1: to see if they've got one, because otherwise there's no
Speaker 1: way to know where they are. They're too small, so cute,
Speaker 1: They're very cute, very very cute. And do you think
Speaker 1: small It is usually cute because like and actually big.
Speaker 1: I mean I used to be kind of low key
Speaker 1: afraid of toads because I saw this like back in
Speaker 1: middle school, I saw this video of how Australia has
Speaker 1: this very specific Yes, oh my god, they are so
Speaker 1: terrifying looking or like just like I would I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be around the stampede of toads, like there
Speaker 1: are so many in Australia. So I was always like
Speaker 1: weird up by toads, and then I got older and
Speaker 1: I got rid of that aversion and these little guys
Speaker 1: I can never be like they're just so cute hopefully. Yes, yes, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: Cane toads are freaky though, so I don't blame you
Speaker 1: for being afraid of them. They're they're big, they're big.
Speaker 1: They they're an invasive species in Australia. I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: done that. No, no no, no, I still I still don't
Speaker 1: like them. I think that that documentary or like whatever
Speaker 1: video I saw the amount of them that I saw
Speaker 1: it in the street and every yeah, just like copping
Speaker 1: along a marching army trying to take over Australia. We
Speaker 1: actually talked about them on the invasive Species episode we
Speaker 1: did a while back, and yeah, they are. They look
Speaker 1: bad and they are, at least in the context of Australia,
Speaker 1: really bad because they are they like kill some of
Speaker 1: the native animals there, and they are because they actually
Speaker 1: have toxic glands that makes it hard for predators seat
Speaker 1: them because like if a predator tries to eat them,
Speaker 1: and like then they get sick and they can die,
Speaker 1: and so it's just like, yeah, they're they're nightmares. So
Speaker 1: you're right to be You're right to be concerned. I
Speaker 1: feel I feel good that Katie Golden is telling you this,
Speaker 1: so I feel validated. I feel good. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: in their not in their natural habitat, I would say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a respect, we gotta respect to chaintoad,
Speaker 1: but when they're in Australia trying to take over the country. Yeah, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on the show today, Shrine.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you enjoyed the whale ear Wax conversation.
Speaker 1: We've learned a lot about you, maybe maybe too much.
Speaker 1: Maybe too much. I haven't said that one podcast ever,
Speaker 1: or even like to most people I know, I've said
Speaker 1: it to one person. So this is I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: getting like some people are going to be grossed up,
Speaker 1: but you're going to get a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: are going to write in and be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: me too. And I'm so glad she said that. There's
Speaker 1: just something. I mean, I know people are out there
Speaker 1: that know it's that also find it satisfying it just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's dozens of you, there's dozens of you,
Speaker 1: there are dozens of me out there. Come find me.
Speaker 1: I'm just here. I'm here, I'm waiting. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not into it, but I respect it. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: it feels perfect that I was here for the real wax.
Speaker 1: Your babe brought you here exactly. But go ahead, and sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know just I was gonna, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I interrupted you as you were thanking me. It's okay.
Speaker 1: It's hard over zoom to like, yeah, no, let me
Speaker 1: thank you, let me thank you. Shut up, shut up,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna thank you, thank you so much. But for real,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I had a lot of um.
Speaker 1: I just love animals and I love to talk about animals.
Speaker 1: To think, oh you are an absolute delight. Uh and
Speaker 1: tell people where they can find you so they can
Speaker 1: experience more of the Sharine experience. Cool. Uh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Shiro hero six six six. That's like, uh,
Speaker 1: can I spell h E E R O H E
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