WEBVTT - The Season with Peter Schrager: Melissa Etheridge 0:00:07.266 --> 0:00:09.706 The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the 0:00:09.786 --> 0:00:24.986 NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, Welcome to 0:00:25.026 --> 0:00:27.706 another edition of the Season with Peter Schreger. I'm joined 0:00:27.706 --> 0:00:30.466 here by Aaron Wong Kaufman, a producer with Jason English 0:00:30.466 --> 0:00:35.106 from the iHeart team, and we're sitting this week in 0:00:35.186 --> 0:00:39.466 a dressing room on a high floor of a Manhattan 0:00:39.546 --> 0:00:43.106 sky rise. And our guest is one of the most 0:00:43.146 --> 0:00:46.586 successful musicians of all time. She also happens to be 0:00:46.626 --> 0:00:50.866 an enormous Kansas City Chiefs fan. Melissa Etherich, who just 0:00:50.906 --> 0:00:55.626 got done doing a six week Broadway show might have 0:00:55.626 --> 0:00:57.786 been longer, to be honest, I saw it on opening night. 0:00:58.226 --> 0:01:01.026 It was the Broadway show one woman show about her life, 0:01:01.786 --> 0:01:07.146 which included about with cancer, included multiple number one hits, 0:01:07.266 --> 0:01:11.306 included her coming out of the lesbian her getting married, 0:01:11.346 --> 0:01:14.906 her getting divorced, then her of course rise to fame, 0:01:15.066 --> 0:01:17.666 and there's a tragedy at the end where she loses 0:01:17.706 --> 0:01:20.946 her son and she bears her soul in this Broadway show. 0:01:20.946 --> 0:01:23.306 It just wrapped, and she's in New York still and 0:01:23.306 --> 0:01:25.586 I'm like, we got to have you on and she's 0:01:25.586 --> 0:01:28.586 going to join us in just a second. Very cool 0:01:28.586 --> 0:01:30.866 to have in studio guests. We had Hans Schroeder last 0:01:30.906 --> 0:01:33.626 week from the NFL in his office. Well, we're in 0:01:33.666 --> 0:01:37.386 my office now in one place I don't necessarily have 0:01:37.466 --> 0:01:39.946 any desire to be as in David Tepper's office right now. 0:01:40.026 --> 0:01:43.066 David Tepper is the owner of the Carolina Panthers. They 0:01:43.106 --> 0:01:48.866 made a surprise firing of Frank Reich public yesterday. As 0:01:48.866 --> 0:01:51.066 we're recording this, and Tepper just got done with a 0:01:51.066 --> 0:01:54.386 press conference addressing the local media. Let's go through some 0:01:54.426 --> 0:01:57.466 of the facts here. The Carolina Panthers are an unwatchable team. 0:01:57.746 --> 0:02:00.866 Their quarterback Bryce young Look was completely lost and they 0:02:00.906 --> 0:02:02.906 mortgaged a lot of the future to go get him. 0:02:03.346 --> 0:02:06.586 They hired Frank Reich, who was a veteran coach, to 0:02:06.626 --> 0:02:08.866 be the voice of stability and to be the one 0:02:08.906 --> 0:02:10.786 who's going to usher him into the league. As Frank 0:02:10.786 --> 0:02:13.946 Reik has coached several young quarterbacks in the past and 0:02:13.986 --> 0:02:17.546 has had great success with guys like Philip Rivers and 0:02:17.666 --> 0:02:20.546 like a young Carson Wentz and of course like Nick Foles. 0:02:20.546 --> 0:02:23.586 When Foles went on his rise in Philadelphia, it hasn't 0:02:23.586 --> 0:02:28.586 happened in Carolina. He gets fired eleven games into his 0:02:28.626 --> 0:02:32.546 first season with Carolina, Aaron It is the quickest firing 0:02:33.226 --> 0:02:37.226 of a first year NFL head coach in forty five years. 0:02:37.866 --> 0:02:43.986 Urban Meyer lasted longer, Nathaniel Hackett lasted longer. Frank Reike 0:02:44.186 --> 0:02:47.306 given the pink slip in Carolina, and this comes on 0:02:47.386 --> 0:02:50.506 the heels of him also firing Ron Rivera when he 0:02:50.546 --> 0:02:53.506 got there, also firing Matt Ruhle a couple of years 0:02:53.506 --> 0:02:56.826 into his contract, and not retaining Seve Wilkes, who had 0:02:56.826 --> 0:02:58.746 his team playing good football last year and is now 0:02:58.786 --> 0:03:01.546 the defensive coordinator of the forty nine ers. The initial 0:03:01.586 --> 0:03:04.306 reaction around the league and by fans is fair, it's 0:03:04.666 --> 0:03:07.426 how could you do that? That's ridiculous. You don't give 0:03:07.466 --> 0:03:11.066 Frank Reich a chance. I've had some time to talk 0:03:11.106 --> 0:03:13.146 to a lot of folks and you'd be surprised. A 0:03:13.186 --> 0:03:17.546 lot of people, and several who have similar positions in 0:03:17.586 --> 0:03:20.706 the league, meaning either owners or president, say like, rip 0:03:20.746 --> 0:03:23.786 the band aid off. It's going to be a wild January. 0:03:23.866 --> 0:03:25.746 What do I mean by that? Not about the playoffs? 0:03:26.786 --> 0:03:28.426 There is talk there's going to be eight to ten 0:03:28.546 --> 0:03:31.666 job openings in the NFL this year, and you can 0:03:31.786 --> 0:03:34.426 name the usual suspects. I take no joy in seeing 0:03:34.466 --> 0:03:36.426 some of those teams that might be replacing their coaches. 0:03:36.426 --> 0:03:37.906 And some of these guys will save their jobs. We've 0:03:37.906 --> 0:03:40.266 seen it before. I saw Chuck Pagano save his job 0:03:40.666 --> 0:03:42.586 in the final month of a seat. That's what Rex 0:03:42.666 --> 0:03:44.786 Ryan save his job in the final month of a season. 0:03:45.706 --> 0:03:48.226 We've seen it before where these guys can turn it around. 0:03:48.306 --> 0:03:50.506 But if you're talking just offhand, and I don't need 0:03:50.546 --> 0:03:53.026 to list them, I'd say there's eight to ten job opening. 0:03:53.066 --> 0:03:56.066 So why would Carolina do this now? Well, Vegas already 0:03:56.066 --> 0:03:58.666 fired their coach. That's a different situation. Antonio Pierce is 0:03:58.666 --> 0:04:00.746 the intern. It's gonna give them a real shot to 0:04:00.786 --> 0:04:03.026 be the head coach. But they're gonna most likely do 0:04:03.106 --> 0:04:05.226 a full coaching search and Antonio will be one of 0:04:05.266 --> 0:04:08.946 the candidates. Carolina now has a solid two months to 0:04:08.986 --> 0:04:12.746 do all of the work now ahead of interviews. Go 0:04:12.826 --> 0:04:15.306 to the farthest regions of the world and talk to 0:04:15.386 --> 0:04:19.266 the most in depth to you possibly can to get 0:04:19.306 --> 0:04:21.066 all of the candidates lined up that you want. Now, 0:04:21.106 --> 0:04:23.866 what makes it interesting is they went after that guy 0:04:23.946 --> 0:04:25.826 last year. I can say this now. I don't know 0:04:25.866 --> 0:04:28.546 if everyone was aware, but there was real interest in 0:04:28.586 --> 0:04:31.266 Ben Johnson, who is a thirty seven year old offensive 0:04:31.266 --> 0:04:34.706 coordinator of the Detroit Lions. Last year, and this is 0:04:34.706 --> 0:04:36.506 before the Lions even made the playoffs, they said that 0:04:36.506 --> 0:04:40.546 great finish. Ben Johnson is a North Carolina guy. He 0:04:40.586 --> 0:04:44.146 went to UNC, He's a local hero. In a lot 0:04:44.146 --> 0:04:46.986 of ways, he would have been the perfect fit. I said, 0:04:47.026 --> 0:04:49.026 He said, no, I'm good, I don't want an interview 0:04:49.106 --> 0:04:51.626 for the job. Said no, thank you. Went back to 0:04:51.706 --> 0:04:54.386 be the offensive coordinator the Detroit Lions. They're going to 0:04:54.466 --> 0:04:58.666 be eight to ten other job openings. What now would change? 0:04:59.066 --> 0:05:01.706 As they've traded away this year's first round pick, they 0:05:01.746 --> 0:05:04.106 have shown that they have a roster that is kind 0:05:04.146 --> 0:05:07.666 of barren on offensive line, skill position player, multiple things. 0:05:07.706 --> 0:05:09.506 And the owner just showed that he'll fire you if 0:05:09.546 --> 0:05:11.626 it doesn't work. In eleven eleven weeks. He hasn't like 0:05:11.666 --> 0:05:14.266 what he saw. What would it take for Ben Johnson 0:05:14.306 --> 0:05:16.346 to suddenly now say okay, now I'm gonna do it. 0:05:17.066 --> 0:05:19.426 I say this. It would take a boatload of money. 0:05:19.626 --> 0:05:22.306 How much money is Ben Johnson worth? Ben Johnson a 0:05:22.346 --> 0:05:24.266 guy who's never been a head coach Ben Johnson, who 0:05:24.266 --> 0:05:25.786 could walk through an airport and no one would know 0:05:25.906 --> 0:05:29.706 his face. Ben Johnson, whose name is still mistaken for 0:05:29.826 --> 0:05:32.826 the Canadian sprinter who went up against Carl Lewis. And 0:05:32.906 --> 0:05:34.506 I think that would be the first Google search that 0:05:34.666 --> 0:05:37.706 comes up. Is Ben Johnson gonna get money like McVeigh 0:05:37.746 --> 0:05:39.826 and Sean Payton and those guys have it might take 0:05:39.906 --> 0:05:42.506 that all right, So say David Tepper says, I don't 0:05:42.586 --> 0:05:44.906 want to have to beg Ben Johnson to be the 0:05:44.946 --> 0:05:47.666 head coach of my NFL team. What are the other 0:05:47.746 --> 0:05:50.426 routes they can do? Well, you can go that same 0:05:50.506 --> 0:05:52.546 kind of deal and look at the young offensive coordinators, 0:05:52.586 --> 0:05:54.826 the young bright offensive minds that people talk about, and 0:05:54.906 --> 0:05:58.146 that would be Bobby Slowick in Houston, who's thirty seven 0:05:58.226 --> 0:06:01.186 years old, and it's the Houston Texans offensive coordinator. And 0:06:01.226 --> 0:06:03.346 it is the guy who's been working with with c. J. 0:06:03.466 --> 0:06:05.386 Stroud and year number one and got tanked Dell to 0:06:05.466 --> 0:06:07.786 be an elite wide receiver in his first season in 0:06:07.826 --> 0:06:11.666 the league. That's a possibility. Let's circle that name could 0:06:11.706 --> 0:06:13.706 also go to the guy that we interviewed on our 0:06:13.786 --> 0:06:16.746 podcast couple of weeks ago, Drew petsing for a two 0:06:16.866 --> 0:06:21.786 win Arizona Cardinals team, but yet got Josh Dobbs to 0:06:21.866 --> 0:06:24.226 play competitive football, got a lot of young players on 0:06:24.306 --> 0:06:26.706 the field, and shown that he can run an offense 0:06:26.826 --> 0:06:30.346 even without the top elite talent in the league. A nameless, 0:06:30.906 --> 0:06:34.066 faceless offensive line in Arizona, a bunch of wide receivers 0:06:34.066 --> 0:06:36.106 who you might have on your fantasy team but aren't 0:06:36.106 --> 0:06:39.186 exactly winning any Pro Bowls or All Pro Awards. And 0:06:39.266 --> 0:06:42.586 then of course quarterbacks that you might not be familiar with. 0:06:42.706 --> 0:06:45.866 And Josh Dobbs and Clayton Tune before Kyler got there, 0:06:45.906 --> 0:06:48.146 So let's put Drew's name out there. Then you go 0:06:48.306 --> 0:06:51.426 through a list of guys that haven't had necessarily the 0:06:51.506 --> 0:06:54.146 breakout seasons, but we've been hearing about them for years. 0:06:54.666 --> 0:06:57.186 By that, I mean Brian Johnson, the offensive coordinator of 0:06:57.226 --> 0:06:59.866 the Philadelphia Eagles, whose home crowd was booing the play 0:06:59.946 --> 0:07:02.986 calling at certain points on Sunday, and yet is the 0:07:03.066 --> 0:07:05.826 offensive coordinator of a nine to one or ten in 0:07:05.906 --> 0:07:08.146 one team. And Jalen Hurts speaks to the world of 0:07:08.186 --> 0:07:11.546 him and would be a very interesting head coaching candidate 0:07:11.986 --> 0:07:15.826 right there. A couple other names of offensive guys that 0:07:15.946 --> 0:07:18.866 you've heard of and have been around and maybe it's 0:07:18.946 --> 0:07:22.466 their time. Well, you look at what's going on in 0:07:22.586 --> 0:07:24.786 New England and immediately you'd say, well, no, thank you, 0:07:24.906 --> 0:07:27.466 no one from that tree. But the name Bill O'Brien 0:07:27.586 --> 0:07:30.626 will pop up because of his success with young quarterbacks 0:07:30.666 --> 0:07:33.706 and the fact that he was Bryce Young's college quarterback 0:07:33.946 --> 0:07:36.066 coach and was this offensive coordinator. The two of them 0:07:36.106 --> 0:07:39.586 have a pre existing relationship. I'll throw out my name 0:07:40.106 --> 0:07:41.906 that I will always throw out because I still think 0:07:41.946 --> 0:07:44.146 he's a great young quarterback whisper, even if he's not 0:07:44.226 --> 0:07:45.546 in the NFL, but he just got done with the 0:07:45.626 --> 0:07:47.746 year with Kayleb Williams. I'll throw out Cliff Kingsbury's name. 0:07:47.826 --> 0:07:49.706 Is that a possibility. Does Cliff get another shot? 0:07:50.266 --> 0:07:50.706 Probably not. 0:07:51.106 --> 0:07:53.746 I don't think David Tepper is looking to hire another 0:07:53.826 --> 0:07:56.106 fired coach from another team that missed the playoffs. That's 0:07:56.146 --> 0:07:58.066 what he did with Frank Reich. But I think if 0:07:58.066 --> 0:07:59.826 you're looking about a young quarterback and someone who can 0:07:59.866 --> 0:08:01.226 speak to him and get the best out of him, 0:08:01.546 --> 0:08:03.586 Cliff's done it time and time again, whether it be Mahomes, 0:08:03.626 --> 0:08:05.466 whether it be Kyler Murray. In those first few years, 0:08:05.786 --> 0:08:07.506 and then of course what he's doing with Caleb Williams 0:08:07.546 --> 0:08:09.946 in USC now working with Lincoln Riley. I think that's 0:08:10.026 --> 0:08:15.226 really interesting. Brian Flores possibility. Brian Flor is a defensive coach. 0:08:15.386 --> 0:08:18.226 Brian Flores has been a head coach, Brian Flores is 0:08:18.306 --> 0:08:20.786 now in Minnesota. Or that defense is carrying that offense 0:08:20.826 --> 0:08:23.826 and getting them to the finish line. Is he a possibility? 0:08:24.066 --> 0:08:26.306 You go down these lists and then you want the 0:08:26.386 --> 0:08:29.626 wildcard ones. Who are the wildcards? Is Jim Harbaugh wild card? 0:08:29.666 --> 0:08:32.186 Would that personality mesh with David Tepper? Tepper is a 0:08:33.226 --> 0:08:35.066 is a bull bulldozer in a lot of ways, and 0:08:35.106 --> 0:08:37.066 it's a big personality. But I could assure you knowing 0:08:37.146 --> 0:08:39.626 David Tepper and watching the way he has owned this team, 0:08:39.706 --> 0:08:42.906 he just wants to win Harbaugh everywhere he's gone, whether 0:08:42.906 --> 0:08:45.186 it be the University of San Diego, whether it be Stanford, 0:08:45.266 --> 0:08:47.386 whether it be the forty nine ers, and whether it 0:08:47.506 --> 0:08:51.506 be Michigan he wins. Is Tepper looking to bring in Harbaugh? 0:08:51.786 --> 0:08:54.226 That would be a very interesting dallions in a very 0:08:54.306 --> 0:08:56.786 interesting pursuit. And I would find this to be fascinating 0:08:56.866 --> 0:09:00.026 for the NFL for years to come. You look at 0:09:00.066 --> 0:09:04.266 Mike McDonald, defensive coordinator down in Baltimore, first real year 0:09:04.346 --> 0:09:07.426 as the as the main man last year. Now it's 0:09:07.466 --> 0:09:09.026 his second year, and that defense is as good as 0:09:09.066 --> 0:09:12.426 any does. Mike McDonald, the young defensive coordinator at the 0:09:12.706 --> 0:09:16.186 Ravens who also worked for Harborough in Michigan, is here guy. 0:09:17.186 --> 0:09:19.066 And then there's our guy who had on the podcast, 0:09:19.146 --> 0:09:22.706 Jed Fish, who has NFL ties and is now coaching 0:09:22.746 --> 0:09:25.426 at Arizona and got Arizona to do some amazing things 0:09:25.506 --> 0:09:28.386 this year, but has worked with Belichick, has worked with McVeigh, 0:09:28.426 --> 0:09:31.306 and has worked with countless others. The list can go on, 0:09:31.826 --> 0:09:34.026 and can go on and can go on, and you 0:09:34.066 --> 0:09:36.986 can do the coordinator from this team. That's why they 0:09:37.066 --> 0:09:41.146 have the time to do this. Narrow it down, figure 0:09:41.186 --> 0:09:43.586 out what you're looking for, and try to put the 0:09:43.706 --> 0:09:47.186 best path forward. I think what Tepper said in his 0:09:47.266 --> 0:09:49.826 press conference today, and I'll summarize two points I think 0:09:49.906 --> 0:09:53.146 really the only two that matters. One he wasn't like 0:09:53.226 --> 0:09:56.826 this in his finance career. David Tepper is worth billions 0:09:56.866 --> 0:10:00.626 and billions and billions of dollars from making money on 0:10:00.826 --> 0:10:03.146 Wall Street, which is as cut third as the NFL, 0:10:03.266 --> 0:10:05.906 if not more. And his point was people worked for 0:10:05.986 --> 0:10:09.266 him for twenty to thirty years, like he had his team, 0:10:09.866 --> 0:10:11.346 and he was not a guy who was quick to 0:10:11.386 --> 0:10:13.186 pull the trigger and fire people. In fact, he would 0:10:13.266 --> 0:10:15.426 nurture and grow. And these people, he's got his own 0:10:15.506 --> 0:10:18.266 David Tepper tree on Wall Street, all different hedge funds 0:10:18.266 --> 0:10:20.706 and all different finance firms where they swear by Tepper 0:10:20.786 --> 0:10:22.306 and they say that he's the guy who got them 0:10:22.306 --> 0:10:23.946 to start. He's the Belichick of Wall Street in a 0:10:23.986 --> 0:10:26.906 lot of ways. And if that's the case, he says, 0:10:27.266 --> 0:10:29.186 you know, that's not my mo just so you know, 0:10:29.306 --> 0:10:31.386 and I'm very successful in that road. But until you 0:10:31.506 --> 0:10:34.666 get success, I will be quick to make decisions because 0:10:34.666 --> 0:10:36.186 I know what success looks like, and what we have 0:10:36.306 --> 0:10:39.506 on the field every Sunday is not success. The other 0:10:39.626 --> 0:10:42.106 point which was interesting was that he said he was 0:10:42.186 --> 0:10:44.986 set to take c. J. Stroud at number two. They 0:10:45.066 --> 0:10:47.266 thought they had a trade set up. They were gonna trade, 0:10:47.546 --> 0:10:49.706 they were gonna get up to number two with the Texans, 0:10:49.826 --> 0:10:52.026 and that whoever had that number one pick, whether it 0:10:52.146 --> 0:10:54.506 be the Bears or somebody else, they were gonna take 0:10:54.546 --> 0:10:56.666 Bryce Young and they were set with c J. Stroud. 0:10:56.706 --> 0:10:58.706 They were fine with it. What happened was that trade 0:10:58.746 --> 0:11:00.506 fell through. They end up making the trade with the Bears. 0:11:00.506 --> 0:11:02.786 They got number one, and he said, I didn't make 0:11:02.826 --> 0:11:05.546 the pick. He said, the football people make the pick, 0:11:05.586 --> 0:11:07.466 and I'm the final decision maker. And I was more 0:11:07.546 --> 0:11:10.666 than comfortable taking Bryce Young over c J. Stroud. And 0:11:10.786 --> 0:11:12.666 as this thing moves forward, I will be okay with 0:11:12.746 --> 0:11:14.866 it because I believe in the Bryce Young pick, and 0:11:14.986 --> 0:11:17.946 we'll go from there. They might blow the whole building 0:11:18.026 --> 0:11:21.146 up right now, we've had already. The head coach Josh 0:11:21.226 --> 0:11:25.546 McCown unceremoniously fired after a great fanfare about his hiring 0:11:25.626 --> 0:11:29.826 as a quarterbacks coach for Bryce Young. He's gone, Josh, 0:11:30.306 --> 0:11:34.066 As we say, as a friend, I think he was 0:11:34.586 --> 0:11:36.786 a little bit surprised that once they named the interim coach. 0:11:36.826 --> 0:11:38.866 The interim coach, Chris Tabor said, all right, out with 0:11:38.986 --> 0:11:40.946 you and out with Duce Staley. I think both those 0:11:40.986 --> 0:11:44.066 guys have really good resumes. Josh is a player. Due 0:11:44.106 --> 0:11:46.426 to the player and as a coach, they'll be okay. 0:11:46.866 --> 0:11:48.466 I assume they're both going to be all right. But 0:11:49.226 --> 0:11:50.986 part of that is, you know, we need to just 0:11:51.226 --> 0:11:53.466 extinguish everybody from the building, put in our guys who 0:11:53.506 --> 0:11:56.866 we want. Josh was in Bryce's ear the most, so 0:11:57.346 --> 0:11:59.746 if the new coach is Jim Caldwell, Thomas Brown, whoever. 0:11:59.826 --> 0:12:03.026 The fact that we're naming a half dozen different offensive 0:12:03.106 --> 0:12:05.186 minds probably was part of the problem here. That's a 0:12:05.266 --> 0:12:08.026 lot of people in a young quarterbacks ear. They'll figure 0:12:08.066 --> 0:12:10.706 this thing out then. The general manager situation is fascinating. 0:12:11.466 --> 0:12:14.786 Scott Fitter was chosen after he lent the general manager 0:12:14.866 --> 0:12:17.986 search in Carolina a few years ago. I'm talking three 0:12:18.146 --> 0:12:21.866 rounds and everyone from Ryan Poles to Adam Peters to 0:12:21.946 --> 0:12:24.226 all these different guys who met and then did not 0:12:24.266 --> 0:12:26.786 get the job. They chose Scott Fitter, who had been 0:12:27.146 --> 0:12:29.626 an interview candidate for several different jobs over the years. 0:12:29.946 --> 0:12:33.146 Fitter is there, Dan Morgan, the former Carolina Panther legend 0:12:33.226 --> 0:12:34.786 is there in the front office. Do they blow that 0:12:34.906 --> 0:12:36.866 whole front office out and do we start from scratch 0:12:37.386 --> 0:12:40.666 on that side of it as well? We will see. 0:12:41.306 --> 0:12:43.826 Whatever the reason that they did it this week or not, 0:12:44.106 --> 0:12:47.026 the bottom line is this Tepper couldn't watch his team anymore. 0:12:47.186 --> 0:12:49.346 He found it disgusting. He couldn't see it. He couldn't 0:12:49.346 --> 0:12:51.546 see it and he couldn't see success coming. So they 0:12:51.626 --> 0:12:54.626 make the change and everyone goes up in arms, says, 0:12:54.626 --> 0:12:57.026 he's a horrible owner, and we'll see, let's see he's 0:12:57.066 --> 0:13:01.066 gonna get a Let's see, he's had Ron, he's had 0:13:01.226 --> 0:13:03.866 whoever the interim for Ron was. So that's two, he's 0:13:03.946 --> 0:13:07.506 had Rule, he's had Wilkes. That's four, he's now had five. 0:13:07.626 --> 0:13:10.386 And Frank Reich he's now got six, and Chris Table 0:13:10.426 --> 0:13:12.586 he'll go to his seventh. Different look at what a 0:13:12.626 --> 0:13:15.506 head coach could be for the Carolina Panthers. And that's 0:13:15.546 --> 0:13:19.266 just since twenty eighteen, so interesting times in Carolina. But 0:13:19.666 --> 0:13:21.426 this is kickstarting what I think is going to be 0:13:21.546 --> 0:13:26.666 a wild, wild January of the hiring cycle. And we 0:13:26.906 --> 0:13:29.306 went away from calling it black Black Monday on the 0:13:29.426 --> 0:13:31.386 NFL Network because it's like two ominous, I don't know 0:13:31.386 --> 0:13:32.746 what you want to call it. We're here, it's not 0:13:32.786 --> 0:13:34.386 even December. I'm gonna tell you it's gonna be a 0:13:34.386 --> 0:13:37.026 blood bath. That's what everyone says. That's coaches from the 0:13:37.066 --> 0:13:40.346 head coaching position to offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, just get ready, 0:13:40.386 --> 0:13:43.266 buckle up. No one covers these coaches better. No one 0:13:43.386 --> 0:13:45.906 interviews these gms. Better, No one talks to these young 0:13:45.986 --> 0:13:48.546 coaches more than this podcast here, So don't be shocked 0:13:48.546 --> 0:13:49.826 with a lot of the voices that you've heard on 0:13:49.946 --> 0:13:53.626 the season with Peter Schreger end up being mentioned and 0:13:53.746 --> 0:13:55.946 interviewed by a lot of these teams in the next 0:13:56.026 --> 0:14:00.226 couple of weeks. Real quick, Aaron, we got through Thanksgiving weekend. 0:14:00.986 --> 0:14:04.026 Everyone has their pictures of their turkey and all this stuff. 0:14:04.506 --> 0:14:06.906 I have to tell you. I went to the Jets 0:14:07.226 --> 0:14:10.586 Black Friday game against the Dolphins. I took my son Mel. 0:14:11.146 --> 0:14:13.386 It was his first NFL game with me. Can I 0:14:13.466 --> 0:14:18.546 tell you the experience? Zero to ten, ten out of ten. 0:14:19.106 --> 0:14:23.546 It was unbelievable. I was so scared about the traffic. 0:14:24.666 --> 0:14:27.706 All I heard about was the traffic. Even leading up 0:14:27.746 --> 0:14:30.706 to the day of Everyone's like, you're gonna probably want 0:14:30.706 --> 0:14:32.466 to sit and watch that game on your couch because 0:14:32.506 --> 0:14:35.626 there is a mall there called and chime in here 0:14:35.666 --> 0:14:39.146 at the American Dream Mall. I had never heard of 0:14:39.226 --> 0:14:40.186 the American Dream Mall. 0:14:40.266 --> 0:14:40.386 Now. 0:14:40.386 --> 0:14:42.946 I remember there was the Xanadu project years ago that 0:14:43.026 --> 0:14:44.946 Chris Christy tried doing, and it was just like a 0:14:44.986 --> 0:14:47.946 ski lift to nowhere, and I think that's what this is. 0:14:48.026 --> 0:14:48.186 Now. 0:14:48.306 --> 0:14:50.426 They took the Xanadu project and they turned it so, 0:14:51.146 --> 0:14:54.066 you know, New Jersey. I grew up in Jersey. Tax 0:14:54.186 --> 0:14:57.066 dollars the whole thing. They dumped, you know, not millions 0:14:57.106 --> 0:14:58.826 and millions of dollars into this thing. It never opens 0:14:58.866 --> 0:15:00.586 for years. It's an eyesore. It's pink, it's on the 0:15:00.666 --> 0:15:03.706 side of the parkway and the turnpike. You're just it's 0:15:03.786 --> 0:15:06.066 just an eyesore. And they eventually turned into a mall. 0:15:06.106 --> 0:15:11.386 How many years ago? Four years ago? All right? So 0:15:11.466 --> 0:15:13.306 then they turned into a mall. It's called the American 0:15:13.386 --> 0:15:16.506 Dream Mall. My last version or the last thing I 0:15:16.506 --> 0:15:17.826 would ever want to be in a dream is in 0:15:17.866 --> 0:15:21.106 a mall. They open it up. I guess it survives COVID. 0:15:21.186 --> 0:15:24.586 All right, great, the American Dream Mall. We pull up 0:15:24.586 --> 0:15:26.426 to this thing, you would think it's Shangri La. My 0:15:27.106 --> 0:15:30.466 son in the back seat sees a giant SpongeBob, then 0:15:30.506 --> 0:15:34.186 he sees Legos, then he sees a water park. This 0:15:34.386 --> 0:15:37.066 thing looks like it's the most amazing place in the 0:15:37.186 --> 0:15:39.386 history of the world. It seemed like it was Disney 0:15:39.466 --> 0:15:41.786 and Universal combined and I'm telling my son, no, no, 0:15:41.866 --> 0:15:43.546 that's not where we're going. We're not going to see 0:15:43.586 --> 0:15:46.386 your friend's SpongeBob. We're not going to the water park. No, no, 0:15:46.506 --> 0:15:48.026 We're gonna go sit in the cold and watch a 0:15:48.066 --> 0:15:51.626 football game. No traffic. So everyone who bugged me out 0:15:51.626 --> 0:15:53.706 about the traffic, no traffic, We get there. 0:15:53.946 --> 0:15:55.026 What time did you get there? 0:15:55.106 --> 0:15:57.946 All right? So that's it, okay, all right. We left 0:15:57.986 --> 0:16:02.106 Brooklyn around noon, three o'clock kickoff. We probably were walking 0:16:02.186 --> 0:16:05.426 in the stadium around one point fifteen. So I would 0:16:05.426 --> 0:16:08.026 sign up for that right Lincoln Tunnel, a little bit 0:16:08.066 --> 0:16:11.186 of traffic, and we get there, pull up the Jets, 0:16:11.266 --> 0:16:15.426 hooked up field passes. I have no shame in telling 0:16:15.466 --> 0:16:17.546 you that I very rarely will call in favors. I 0:16:17.586 --> 0:16:19.546 didn't call in a favor. I'm like, is there any 0:16:19.586 --> 0:16:21.346 way my son can just see the field. I've been 0:16:21.386 --> 0:16:22.986 to a million games, he's never been one with me. 0:16:23.346 --> 0:16:25.506 There were enough guests on the field that I guess 0:16:25.506 --> 0:16:27.906 they could spare a couple more. My wife came with me. 0:16:28.506 --> 0:16:31.706 It was so amazing to be there and see the 0:16:31.826 --> 0:16:34.786 wonder in my kid's eyes as what he wanted to do. 0:16:34.866 --> 0:16:38.466 And you'll love this. He wanted to sit underneath the 0:16:38.706 --> 0:16:42.066 goalposts when they were practicing the field goals. So here 0:16:42.146 --> 0:16:48.306 come these missiles from Jason Sanders and from Greg Zerline, 0:16:48.346 --> 0:16:50.226 and the punts are coming there, and my son is 0:16:50.346 --> 0:16:53.346 like enamored with the fact that he's watching from that angle. 0:16:53.426 --> 0:16:57.266 The ball go through the goalposts, the game starts, It 0:16:57.346 --> 0:17:00.106 goes horribly for the Jets, but mel my Son had 0:17:00.146 --> 0:17:03.826 a blast. The fans were cool. I don't get stopped 0:17:04.146 --> 0:17:06.786 everywhere but an NFL game. If you're a fan of football, 0:17:06.826 --> 0:17:08.386 you might have seen our show Good Morning Football. You 0:17:08.466 --> 0:17:11.266 listen to this podcast. So people are cool. They're not 0:17:12.066 --> 0:17:15.386 everyone you know, wants a selfie. It's it's fine, I'll 0:17:15.426 --> 0:17:18.386 do a selfie. It wasn't too many and everyone was like, hey, 0:17:18.826 --> 0:17:21.746 you brought your son, How cool, and like it was awesome. 0:17:21.946 --> 0:17:26.466 So we stay pretty much throughout it. I was hanging out. 0:17:26.826 --> 0:17:29.586 Got to meet Eric Decker, Remember Eric Decker. Oh yeah, 0:17:30.306 --> 0:17:32.346 got to meet Eric Decker, who, by the way, is 0:17:32.426 --> 0:17:35.546 the coolest dude in the world. And he's got four kids, 0:17:36.186 --> 0:17:39.586 and our kids are hanging pregame and Decker was awesome. 0:17:41.466 --> 0:17:44.026 You know who else was there who was super kind? 0:17:44.186 --> 0:17:49.106 And cool, the actress from White Lotus and from True 0:17:49.146 --> 0:17:54.786 Detective and like alexand so her step kids are huge 0:17:54.786 --> 0:17:57.986 football fans and they were there and it was so funny. 0:17:58.026 --> 0:18:00.666 So her kid, her step kid, and her husband, uh 0:18:00.826 --> 0:18:03.306 Andrew really nice guy. We're talking to them pregame. We're 0:18:03.306 --> 0:18:05.106 all in the same little waiting area that they like, 0:18:05.226 --> 0:18:06.266 you know, if you want to go on the field 0:18:06.306 --> 0:18:08.586 for five minutes for the game. Commutum and their kid 0:18:08.626 --> 0:18:11.666 had on an authentic Jets helmet and I'm like, oh, 0:18:11.786 --> 0:18:14.146 that's badass, Like did a player give him that? And 0:18:14.266 --> 0:18:16.426 the his dad's like, no, that's four hundred and fifty 0:18:16.466 --> 0:18:18.426 dollars in the team store if you want to die. 0:18:18.466 --> 0:18:20.346 I'm like, you bought that. He's like, I don't know, 0:18:20.546 --> 0:18:22.706 I have no idea. Yes, we bought it. He wanted it. 0:18:22.946 --> 0:18:25.746 That's his Christmas gift. I'm like, I love that, the 0:18:25.826 --> 0:18:27.866 Black Friday thing. I don't know if the game stunk. 0:18:28.026 --> 0:18:29.626 I don't know if everyone at home was like turning 0:18:29.626 --> 0:18:31.906 it off the third quarter. It felt like an event. 0:18:32.146 --> 0:18:34.946 It felt cool. I had the alternative is not having 0:18:34.946 --> 0:18:39.506 football on Fridays? Like I loved it. I asked Hans 0:18:39.546 --> 0:18:42.426 Schroeder last week. Like the impetus of it, I would say, PostScript, 0:18:42.466 --> 0:18:43.746 I'll put it out there. I would love it if 0:18:43.786 --> 0:18:44.866 it was in New York every year. I think it 0:18:44.946 --> 0:18:48.186 was a cool feeling of like the Roquettes and the 0:18:48.746 --> 0:18:51.786 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and New York and Thanksgiving and like, oh, 0:18:51.826 --> 0:18:54.226 there's a game on Friday that you've got the stars 0:18:54.226 --> 0:18:55.986 already there and this kind of thing can kind of 0:18:55.986 --> 0:18:58.746 bleed into it. I get the feeling the NFL is 0:18:58.786 --> 0:18:59.986 not looking at you that. I think the NFL is 0:18:59.986 --> 0:19:01.466 going to rotate at city to city. I don't think 0:19:01.466 --> 0:19:03.146 they love the fact that they're tied to the Thanksgiving 0:19:03.186 --> 0:19:05.426 cities necessarily, and this one, I think it would be 0:19:05.466 --> 0:19:07.866 a lot like how the primetime game on Thanksgiving that 0:19:07.946 --> 0:19:10.786 kind of moves place to place. But ten out of 0:19:10.826 --> 0:19:12.626 ten experience, I can't say enough about the Jets game 0:19:12.706 --> 0:19:16.066 day experience. Really cool, lively. They of course have what 0:19:16.186 --> 0:19:20.266 every kid needs, and that's great concession stands and most 0:19:20.306 --> 0:19:22.706 importantly a T shirt gun and a T shirt cannon, 0:19:22.826 --> 0:19:25.266 so that gets them going. And the music was great. 0:19:25.626 --> 0:19:28.186 The football just stunk. Other than that, it was cool. 0:19:28.386 --> 0:19:30.106 And when you're a seven year old kid at your 0:19:30.106 --> 0:19:32.946 first NFL game. I don't think you're so worried about, 0:19:32.986 --> 0:19:36.626 you know, what the quarterback decisions are and how they're 0:19:36.626 --> 0:19:37.986 going to run the two minute drill at the end 0:19:38.026 --> 0:19:39.066 of the half, and whether or not you throw a 0:19:39.106 --> 0:19:41.786 hell Mary with two seconds left to the third string quarterback. 0:19:41.946 --> 0:19:43.706 You're more concerned with just the experience. And I think 0:19:43.746 --> 0:19:46.506 my son had a great one. So everyone wondering, as 0:19:46.546 --> 0:19:49.426 we lingered on it last week, ten out of ten amazing. 0:19:49.506 --> 0:19:52.026 Take your kids to football games and if you can 0:19:52.106 --> 0:19:53.586 ask for as many favorites as you can so they 0:19:53.626 --> 0:19:55.306 can touch the grass too. That was pretty cool. I 0:19:55.426 --> 0:20:06.146 know that was a rare experience. I'm so excited for this. 0:20:06.946 --> 0:20:10.826 Our guest is a longtime friend of mine, a Emmy winner, 0:20:11.146 --> 0:20:15.226 a Oscar winner, and she just wrapped doing a one 0:20:15.306 --> 0:20:17.226 woman show on Broadway that I happened to see and 0:20:17.386 --> 0:20:20.426 was blown away by. No further Ado Chiefs diehard fan 0:20:20.866 --> 0:20:23.586 Melissa Etheridge, Welcome to the season with Peter Schrieger. 0:20:23.906 --> 0:20:25.666 Oh, thank you. I know you're fried. But I didn't 0:20:25.666 --> 0:20:26.106 win an Emmy. 0:20:26.106 --> 0:20:28.786 I want a Grammy, okay, so let's get you an Emmy. 0:20:29.346 --> 0:20:30.386 How do we get you an Emmy. 0:20:30.506 --> 0:20:32.946 Well, I'm working on Believe me, I've got lots of plans. 0:20:33.066 --> 0:20:36.906 Is it so like when you hear that the accolades 0:20:36.986 --> 0:20:40.146 listed and you're sitting and then you add in Broadway show, 0:20:40.266 --> 0:20:43.386 Where does that stand? I'm like, the accomplishments and accolade 0:20:43.426 --> 0:20:43.906 from a career. 0:20:43.946 --> 0:20:48.066 Well, you know, I stopped thinking about the once I 0:20:48.146 --> 0:20:50.466 won an award. I was like, Oh, it's not really 0:20:50.506 --> 0:20:53.426 about the award. It's about getting there. It's about the experience. 0:20:53.466 --> 0:20:58.426 And I really nowadays it's more about I want that experience. 0:20:58.546 --> 0:21:01.706 Whether whatever awards are great, they're fun. I'm not putting 0:21:01.746 --> 0:21:05.066 them down, but it's the experience. In man, this experience 0:21:05.226 --> 0:21:08.106 of being here in New York City, being part of Broadway, 0:21:08.546 --> 0:21:10.666 going and doing the show, same show over and over, 0:21:10.786 --> 0:21:13.586 five nights a week. That was an experience and it's 0:21:13.586 --> 0:21:16.626 something that I'm proud I did. Probably won't do it 0:21:16.666 --> 0:21:17.506 again soon. 0:21:17.546 --> 0:21:19.626 But I have to mention it's just I mean, because 0:21:19.866 --> 0:21:21.986 I've got friends who are on Broadway, we've seen it, like, yeah, 0:21:22.266 --> 0:21:26.306 that grind of obviously six days a week, but then 0:21:26.346 --> 0:21:28.226 you have the matinee shows and then you have the 0:21:28.306 --> 0:21:30.986 two shows on certain day. By the end of it. 0:21:31.026 --> 0:21:32.866 Are you just so mentally and physically exhausted doing a 0:21:32.906 --> 0:21:35.066 Broadway show every day? I can only imagine. Yeah. 0:21:35.146 --> 0:21:38.066 Yeah, and you know, bless my family. My daughter was 0:21:38.306 --> 0:21:41.506 staying here and she just totally understood. And my wife, 0:21:41.546 --> 0:21:44.226 who was there with me constantly like okay, you know, 0:21:45.026 --> 0:21:47.586 sleep in, make sure I had enough sleep and and 0:21:47.866 --> 0:21:49.866 fed me and just you know, I had a great 0:21:49.986 --> 0:21:53.746 support and but boy, it was very exhausting. 0:21:53.826 --> 0:21:57.266 Yeah. And for the listeners, the show is amazing. It 0:21:57.466 --> 0:22:00.066 is your story, so it's not just doing a show, 0:22:00.386 --> 0:22:04.546 it is bearing your soul to strangers. Your story is incredible. 0:22:04.586 --> 0:22:07.626 But I mean there's the first of all to rock concerts. 0:22:07.666 --> 0:22:09.866 He play all the hits, which is awesome, but it's 0:22:09.866 --> 0:22:12.186 also this emotional journey through your life and what you've 0:22:12.266 --> 0:22:15.266 learned and all the tragedies, but also the amazing highs 0:22:15.306 --> 0:22:18.386 that have come with it. Of all the people who 0:22:18.466 --> 0:22:21.946 you got to meet through this experience, either attending the 0:22:21.986 --> 0:22:24.746 show or people who perform with Was there someone new 0:22:24.786 --> 0:22:26.266 in your life that you met that you were like, Wow, 0:22:26.306 --> 0:22:27.666 that was pretty cool. I'm so glad I got to 0:22:27.706 --> 0:22:28.946 come away with that experience as well. 0:22:29.906 --> 0:22:33.026 You know, yes, there was. I did get to meet 0:22:33.026 --> 0:22:34.466 a lot of people, a lot of great people. Came 0:22:34.506 --> 0:22:37.106 back and met a lot of people you know, on 0:22:37.266 --> 0:22:42.386 Broadway doing the stuff. But it surprisingly enough, it was Wolverine. Yeah, 0:22:42.466 --> 0:22:43.026 it was huge. 0:22:43.106 --> 0:22:43.466 Jackman. 0:22:43.826 --> 0:22:45.946 Yeah, like I asked a friendship like butt from this 0:22:46.386 --> 0:22:48.746 one hundred percent. I had met him before. You know, 0:22:49.306 --> 0:22:52.906 we you know Hollywood, and you go, you know, I 0:22:52.986 --> 0:22:55.706 know this person, but you know, are they? And the 0:22:56.666 --> 0:22:59.826 show touched him and he if someone had told him 0:22:59.826 --> 0:23:01.306 you should come see the show that maybe it would 0:23:01.306 --> 0:23:04.106 help because he was going through some stuff and it 0:23:04.186 --> 0:23:07.066 really touched him. And I gave him my number. I said, 0:23:07.066 --> 0:23:09.106 you know, call me, and you know he didn't. 0:23:09.146 --> 0:23:09.546 He didn't. 0:23:09.706 --> 0:23:12.066 And the friend that the mutual friend, I was like, 0:23:12.146 --> 0:23:14.306 you know what, tell him, he's not bothering me if 0:23:14.306 --> 0:23:16.506 he calls me. And and he called, and we just 0:23:16.546 --> 0:23:18.786 started talking about life. We started talking a lot about 0:23:19.346 --> 0:23:21.826 what the show is about, which is, you know, how 0:23:21.906 --> 0:23:25.386 to be successful and you know, famous in this world 0:23:25.466 --> 0:23:27.826 and not lose your mind, you know, and be a person, 0:23:27.946 --> 0:23:32.706 and and how not to just please everybody because we 0:23:32.826 --> 0:23:35.066 have so much success, we've got to make sure everybody 0:23:35.066 --> 0:23:37.586 else is happy around us. That's a that's a hard 0:23:37.626 --> 0:23:41.546 hole to fall into. And and we've just been talking 0:23:41.826 --> 0:23:43.946 and I can now say, you know, I have a 0:23:44.026 --> 0:23:44.906 new friend because. 0:23:44.666 --> 0:23:48.426 It's so beautiful. The show itself tells the story, but 0:23:48.506 --> 0:23:50.266 I think one of the takeaways something you just hit 0:23:50.306 --> 0:23:52.866 on that you were, in a lot of ways chasing 0:23:53.266 --> 0:23:55.946 not fame, but you were chasing it. Yeah, and then 0:23:55.986 --> 0:23:58.266 you got it. And it was in the early nineties 0:23:58.426 --> 0:24:00.026 and you're sitting on the perch and you're on the 0:24:00.266 --> 0:24:02.746 cover of Rolling Stone and in the show you explained 0:24:03.306 --> 0:24:05.866 there was this emptiness of wait, I got it in 0:24:06.466 --> 0:24:07.666 it hasn't filled that hole. 0:24:07.906 --> 0:24:12.466 Yeah, that that I think it's hard to explain to 0:24:12.546 --> 0:24:15.026 people who don't have this sort of experience. But but you, 0:24:15.266 --> 0:24:17.586 I'm sure have, you know, growing up loving sports the 0:24:17.626 --> 0:24:19.906 way you do, and now you are on you know, 0:24:19.986 --> 0:24:22.386 one of the greatest, you know, football shows ever in 0:24:22.506 --> 0:24:26.346 my opinion, and you know, you're like, yeah, but that's 0:24:26.386 --> 0:24:28.666 not it that I don't wake up and go, well, 0:24:28.746 --> 0:24:31.506 I did it, you know, you you It is about 0:24:31.586 --> 0:24:34.826 the dreams, it's about the the adventures on the way 0:24:34.906 --> 0:24:39.346 to it, and and so putting that in front of 0:24:39.466 --> 0:24:42.186 me all the time, no matter what. Oh, this is 0:24:42.266 --> 0:24:44.586 the this is the next adventure. That's what I'm looking 0:24:44.666 --> 0:24:45.186 forward to. 0:24:45.546 --> 0:24:48.466 Yeah, the story is amazing and your life story is amazing, 0:24:48.546 --> 0:24:50.866 but your love for football is cool too because it 0:24:50.946 --> 0:24:53.266 starts with your father, who was also your biggest supporter 0:24:53.386 --> 0:24:55.146 in your quest to become a rock and roll star. 0:24:56.386 --> 0:24:58.226 Why don't you tell the listeners your connection to football 0:24:58.266 --> 0:24:59.026 growing up in Kansas? 0:24:59.306 --> 0:25:02.266 Oh my gosh, Well, my father was. He he grew 0:25:02.346 --> 0:25:06.986 up in Saint Louis, Missouri, and he he was very athletic. 0:25:07.306 --> 0:25:10.106 He was actually a really good swimmer too. And his 0:25:11.026 --> 0:25:14.306 high school that he went to, the coach. My father 0:25:14.426 --> 0:25:17.906 came from a really trouble family, you know, seven kids, 0:25:17.986 --> 0:25:20.866 The father was a horrible alcoholic from World War two, 0:25:21.106 --> 0:25:24.546 you know, just really they migrant farmers. It was bad. 0:25:25.026 --> 0:25:28.146 And this guy really helped him and said, look, you 0:25:28.226 --> 0:25:30.546 can get a sports scholarship to college. And none of 0:25:30.586 --> 0:25:33.066 his family had ever gone to college. And so he 0:25:34.546 --> 0:25:38.346 went to college in Arkansas and got a teaching degree 0:25:38.866 --> 0:25:41.866 to where he could be a coach. And he went 0:25:41.986 --> 0:25:44.866 to and moved to Levenworth, Kansas because they needed a teacher. 0:25:44.946 --> 0:25:47.226 We didn't know, he didn't know anybody there. And so 0:25:47.346 --> 0:25:49.826 I was born there. And while he was there, the 0:25:50.306 --> 0:25:54.746 Chiefs come to, you know, Kansas City in sixty four 0:25:55.506 --> 0:26:00.266 and I'm three years old probably, and I have pictures 0:26:00.986 --> 0:26:04.106 of my father and I watching the Chiefs on television. 0:26:04.146 --> 0:26:06.306 Can't tell, it's just pictures. I was watching TV. But 0:26:06.626 --> 0:26:08.746 I've got a red shirt on. I know what we're doing. 0:26:09.346 --> 0:26:13.226 And he was so patient with me teaching me, and 0:26:13.306 --> 0:26:16.746 I think that's something that that I really loved. He 0:26:17.026 --> 0:26:19.906 taught me slowly about football and it's all about, you know. 0:26:19.986 --> 0:26:21.546 And I remember as a kid watching and going, what 0:26:21.626 --> 0:26:23.546 are they doing? Okay, why are they doing? 0:26:23.666 --> 0:26:23.706 What? 0:26:24.266 --> 0:26:24.386 Why? 0:26:24.626 --> 0:26:27.066 What's that mean? And he would explain every single thing 0:26:27.186 --> 0:26:31.146 to me. And once you get the formula in your head, 0:26:31.186 --> 0:26:33.786 once you get the strategy and you know what they're 0:26:33.866 --> 0:26:36.986 doing and watching it, it's so much fun to watch 0:26:37.026 --> 0:26:40.226 and we would share it. I remember the nineteen seventies 0:26:40.426 --> 0:26:43.226 Super Bowl, Lady Dawson, and you remember watching it, Oh, 0:26:43.466 --> 0:26:46.706 one hundred percent watched it. Bobby Bell and Buck Buchannan 0:26:47.106 --> 0:26:50.826 and Willie Lanier and just all these great and when 0:26:50.906 --> 0:26:54.306 they won. I mean, Levinworth is forty five minutes from 0:26:54.346 --> 0:26:58.186 Kansas City, and everybody just all the horns were honking everybody, 0:26:58.186 --> 0:26:59.906 and I was like, what's happening in the world. And 0:26:59.906 --> 0:27:02.546 once you have that experience as a child, forget it. 0:27:02.586 --> 0:27:03.066 You're hooked. 0:27:03.106 --> 0:27:06.026 And then you wait fifty years fifty years, but you do, 0:27:06.506 --> 0:27:08.106 and there's so many heart breaks. I don't think people 0:27:08.266 --> 0:27:10.386 everyone talks about the Vikings fans and the Jets fans 0:27:10.426 --> 0:27:13.906 about the Chiefs would go to the playoffs every year 0:27:13.906 --> 0:27:16.186 as a one seed and have this amazing home atmosphere 0:27:16.186 --> 0:27:18.386 and road and they would lose the game they know 0:27:18.586 --> 0:27:22.906 they would always lose. And then to finally win, what 0:27:23.146 --> 0:27:23.626 was that like? 0:27:25.066 --> 0:27:29.386 H it's it. It is hard to explain, you know, 0:27:29.506 --> 0:27:32.066 having gone through it. When when Andy Reid finally came, 0:27:32.146 --> 0:27:34.186 that was you could feel kind of, oh wow, we've 0:27:34.346 --> 0:27:37.746 just entered a level that we really haven't been on. 0:27:38.266 --> 0:27:41.826 Joe Montana, sure we were there out there, you know, yeah, 0:27:42.226 --> 0:27:46.186 three was there, but when Andy Reid came, it was like, 0:27:46.266 --> 0:27:49.826 oh wow, and you could feel, you know, we still 0:27:49.906 --> 0:27:53.666 lost that first year, but and then you know Alex Smith, Oh, 0:27:53.826 --> 0:27:56.906 and all of a sudden there were games where finally 0:27:56.906 --> 0:27:59.226 you'd see, you know, Alex Smith is quarterback, really try 0:27:59.346 --> 0:28:02.146 that extra bit and go in there. And that's why 0:28:02.186 --> 0:28:04.306 I wrote my first chief song, Alex Smith I Love You. 0:28:04.786 --> 0:28:06.426 You came on the show Good Morning Football and two 0:28:06.426 --> 0:28:08.786 twenty sixteen before Mahomes leaving on the Chiefs, and you 0:28:08.826 --> 0:28:09.986 were like, I like the show, I'm gonna come on 0:28:10.186 --> 0:28:11.866 and you wrote a song called Alex Smith, I Love You, 0:28:11.906 --> 0:28:13.666 which to me is still my favorite moments on the show. 0:28:14.506 --> 0:28:18.386 And so then when we get there and I actually 0:28:18.426 --> 0:28:22.746 sang the anthem when we uh were playing, when Jason 0:28:22.826 --> 0:28:24.586 was on that, Yeah, the Patriots. 0:28:24.226 --> 0:28:26.826 The AFC Championship for D four, Yeah. 0:28:27.066 --> 0:28:30.626 D Ford, and just the feeling and the whole feeling 0:28:30.666 --> 0:28:33.866 in that stadium you've been there. Oh, and then to 0:28:33.986 --> 0:28:37.586 have at tension just yes, and everybody doing that walk 0:28:37.706 --> 0:28:40.026 to the parking lot afterwards. 0:28:40.106 --> 0:28:41.626 I was in the building when they lost to Pittsburgh 0:28:41.626 --> 0:28:43.906 in the playoffs that a couple of years earlier, after 0:28:44.066 --> 0:28:47.466 like four different times of the goal line that game. 0:28:47.746 --> 0:28:49.826 And then god, I was in there when they lost 0:28:49.866 --> 0:28:51.426 to the Bengals in the AH champion a couple of 0:28:51.466 --> 0:28:54.746 years ago. But I wasn't there when you guys beat 0:28:54.746 --> 0:28:57.026 the Titans in the AFC Championship. Came and anyone who 0:28:57.106 --> 0:28:59.186 was in that building was like you felt fifty years 0:28:59.626 --> 0:29:02.106 forget the super Bowl just to get there again, and 0:29:02.266 --> 0:29:03.626 the stress of it is just gone. 0:29:03.986 --> 0:29:04.186 Yeah. 0:29:04.186 --> 0:29:05.746 I remember, I think it was a Sammy Watkins deep 0:29:05.786 --> 0:29:09.066 touchdown put the game away. It was and like generations, 0:29:09.106 --> 0:29:09.946 the chief sentences. 0:29:09.826 --> 0:29:13.946 C crying, crying because it brings back your father, it 0:29:14.026 --> 0:29:16.026 brings back why we loved it. I mean, I still 0:29:16.066 --> 0:29:18.986 get joked up because that that was really special, and 0:29:19.786 --> 0:29:23.586 that first one where we went and I remember we won, 0:29:23.706 --> 0:29:26.266 and after we won, I went, huh, this is what 0:29:26.386 --> 0:29:28.826 it feels like, you know, and I just stood and 0:29:28.906 --> 0:29:30.586 it was kind of oh. And the day went on. 0:29:30.706 --> 0:29:33.666 I went, well, now that's over. Whow what a journey. 0:29:33.706 --> 0:29:35.266 And then you just want to get back there every 0:29:35.306 --> 0:29:38.906 time now and they and I it's such a pretty cool, 0:29:39.506 --> 0:29:42.946 such a gift, and you know it happens every now 0:29:42.986 --> 0:29:45.346 and then to a team, a different team, and and 0:29:45.746 --> 0:29:47.426 some day it could be your team. I just you know, 0:29:47.866 --> 0:29:49.506 it might be just great when it does. 0:29:49.786 --> 0:29:52.466 What what's your viewing situations? You go to some games 0:29:52.466 --> 0:29:54.586 to perform, but I feel like knowing you you're a 0:29:54.746 --> 0:30:00.466 couch and right you watch the game. 0:30:00.986 --> 0:30:03.106 Oh yeah, oh, no, no, I watch it. No, I'm 0:30:03.666 --> 0:30:07.866 I watched every game. I'm a red Zone junkie. You 0:30:07.946 --> 0:30:10.906 know how six hours can go by and you know 0:30:11.466 --> 0:30:16.066 the whole and and uh no, I I like to 0:30:16.186 --> 0:30:19.546 go to the games, but when it comes to like 0:30:19.626 --> 0:30:22.266 the really important games of playoffs and like the Super Bowl, 0:30:22.386 --> 0:30:23.626 it's like, no, no, I have to watch it at 0:30:23.626 --> 0:30:23.906 my house. 0:30:23.946 --> 0:30:24.506 I have that right. 0:30:24.546 --> 0:30:25.706 You haven't been in the building for either one of 0:30:25.706 --> 0:30:26.346 the Super Bowl wins? 0:30:26.466 --> 0:30:28.746 No, no, no, no, I haven't. I've been at home. 0:30:29.026 --> 0:30:32.386 Interesting, I know. It's it's I've been on the field 0:30:32.426 --> 0:30:33.906 for both the Super womins because they're both on Fox, 0:30:33.906 --> 0:30:36.266 and I was doing postgame and it's that same feeling 0:30:36.346 --> 0:30:38.106 of the Chiefs fan I was just talking about of 0:30:38.226 --> 0:30:40.546 this generation of Generation Van. It's like, yeah, that is 0:30:40.626 --> 0:30:41.666 a real fan base. 0:30:41.946 --> 0:30:44.146 Oh no, it's for real. It's so. I mean I 0:30:44.226 --> 0:30:47.386 can walk around and I do often in my Chiefs regalia, 0:30:48.026 --> 0:30:50.586 and I you know, I walk through airports, I'm in 0:30:50.626 --> 0:30:53.946 every city. I'm in countries where people walk up and go, oh, 0:30:54.306 --> 0:30:56.746 the Chiefs, you know. And before I mean now it's 0:30:56.866 --> 0:30:59.906 like we're like I said, yeah, but back then, before 0:30:59.946 --> 0:31:03.426 people really knew it's it's a it's a language. You're 0:31:03.786 --> 0:31:05.826 instantly you know, friends is there. 0:31:06.186 --> 0:31:08.146 You're an individual act when you go out there on 0:31:08.226 --> 0:31:10.146 the stage and then you see this team sport. Is 0:31:10.226 --> 0:31:13.746 there some sort of parallel to you know, the art 0:31:13.786 --> 0:31:14.746 of football and the art. 0:31:14.626 --> 0:31:17.906 Of Oh yeah, no, no, it's And I can do 0:31:18.146 --> 0:31:20.866 my show solo, yeah I can, but I prefer to 0:31:20.986 --> 0:31:23.546 do it with a group. And then not only do 0:31:23.746 --> 0:31:27.266 I have those musicians on stage, but all the technicians behind. 0:31:27.866 --> 0:31:33.106 And it takes that We're about a twelve person you 0:31:33.186 --> 0:31:37.346 know unit as we travel around the world. But man, 0:31:37.426 --> 0:31:40.986 those twelve people, they know exactly what to do. And 0:31:41.346 --> 0:31:43.946 sometimes it's funny. I've had a conversation with my wife 0:31:43.946 --> 0:31:46.506 where I say, god, I feel like Patrick Mahomes, I 0:31:46.546 --> 0:31:49.266 feel like, yeah, like there was there's there's a time 0:31:49.386 --> 0:31:52.546 when like something can be going so well. The audience 0:31:52.626 --> 0:31:55.466 is crazy. Let's say it's like forty thousand people that 0:31:55.706 --> 0:31:58.986 you know, some outdoor, big, crazy thing, and I just 0:31:59.306 --> 0:32:03.506 I can look, I actually I have my Kelsey, I look, 0:32:03.586 --> 0:32:06.626 I've looked at my drummer like this and he knows, okay, 0:32:06.666 --> 0:32:09.026 we're not going It's like they know you don't even 0:32:09.106 --> 0:32:11.226 have to say what it is. It's just a look 0:32:11.266 --> 0:32:12.706 and everyone goes, Okay, I know what we're going to do, 0:32:12.786 --> 0:32:15.586 and boom, it's really fun and I felt I felt 0:32:15.666 --> 0:32:15.826 like that. 0:32:16.706 --> 0:32:18.706 So I loved the show. But I was a part 0:32:18.746 --> 0:32:20.426 of the show getting to know your story even more. 0:32:20.626 --> 0:32:24.066 And there's been about with cancer, there's been tragedy in 0:32:24.426 --> 0:32:26.546 your life, but I want to talk about like the Rise, 0:32:26.586 --> 0:32:28.146 because I think that's such a cool story for somebody. 0:32:28.146 --> 0:32:31.666 People were like, you moved to LA. You have a 0:32:31.706 --> 0:32:33.466 family member from my mistaken and who's out there? 0:32:33.546 --> 0:32:34.866 Yeah, she was my aunt, your aunt. 0:32:34.946 --> 0:32:37.266 You moved to LA not knowing anybody, and you didn't 0:32:37.386 --> 0:32:39.186 just this wasn't I take the greyhound to LA and 0:32:39.226 --> 0:32:42.186 I hit it. You struggled for a while yet in La. 0:32:42.386 --> 0:32:44.186 And one of the stories is you end up at 0:32:44.226 --> 0:32:48.186 a lesbian bar as the in house entertainment and it 0:32:48.226 --> 0:32:51.426 becomes a sensation and like the underground of La and 0:32:51.666 --> 0:32:53.466 that kick starts your career. And that's when the A 0:32:53.586 --> 0:32:54.866 and R Record first seats it. But this is in 0:32:54.906 --> 0:32:57.026 the eighties. This isn't in twenty twenty oh. 0:32:57.866 --> 0:33:00.066 This is the eighties. This is and it did. It 0:33:00.146 --> 0:33:03.386 took five years and my manager at the time. He 0:33:03.466 --> 0:33:07.186 and I made a choice because I was making a living. 0:33:07.266 --> 0:33:09.426 I was actually getting paid to play five nights a 0:33:09.466 --> 0:33:13.506 week and musicians don't have that in La and I 0:33:13.626 --> 0:33:17.426 had made this, you know spot for me to play 0:33:17.506 --> 0:33:19.666 and make money. What was the bar called, well, there 0:33:19.706 --> 0:33:23.066 were One was called actually played in two separate well 0:33:23.466 --> 0:33:27.066 three but two really. One was called Vermes, which is weird, 0:33:27.786 --> 0:33:31.546 but and the other one was called Kraa And that's 0:33:31.706 --> 0:33:34.586 actually it started as a it's in Long Beach and 0:33:34.666 --> 0:33:37.986 it started as a you know, ladies women's club, lesbian bar. 0:33:38.746 --> 0:33:41.186 They I said, look, let me set up in the corner. 0:33:41.586 --> 0:33:43.946 They didn't have a light. After like the first year, 0:33:43.986 --> 0:33:46.426 they said, we'll get you a spotlight. I'm like, hey, great, 0:33:46.466 --> 0:33:49.626 you know, but I sat up in the corner and 0:33:49.746 --> 0:33:53.866 I would play. And now that bar is not a 0:33:53.946 --> 0:33:58.946 lesbian bar anymore. It's a live music and my my 0:33:59.066 --> 0:34:01.866 gold records in the corner. And yeah, it's really I'm 0:34:01.906 --> 0:34:02.506 really proud of that. 0:34:02.666 --> 0:34:04.626 That's so cool. And then the record guys, and you 0:34:04.666 --> 0:34:06.226 had a couple of records before you hit though. 0:34:06.706 --> 0:34:09.586 Yeah, I mean my first record, you know, if you 0:34:10.226 --> 0:34:11.986 bring me some water, like the way I do. Those 0:34:12.066 --> 0:34:16.786 songs are are classics in the kind of the rock world. 0:34:16.906 --> 0:34:19.266 But it wasn't until it wasn't until my fourth album 0:34:19.346 --> 0:34:22.386 that I got like a big mainstream hit. Yeah. The 0:34:22.506 --> 0:34:24.666 first big hit was what Was Coming to My What 0:34:24.786 --> 0:34:26.906 Was Coming to My Window? Okay, and then I'm the 0:34:26.946 --> 0:34:27.346 Only One? 0:34:27.386 --> 0:34:28.786 And so yeah, both those hits back to back and 0:34:28.826 --> 0:34:31.026 you end up on the cover of the Rolling Stone. Yeah. Yeah, 0:34:31.106 --> 0:34:34.346 you're doing everything on MTV, your fame rises. Are you 0:34:34.426 --> 0:34:35.706 comfortable with that level of fame? 0:34:38.106 --> 0:34:38.266 You know? 0:34:38.346 --> 0:34:40.306 What's interesting and I know you have I have. Some 0:34:40.426 --> 0:34:42.826 of this is is it is hard to tell how 0:34:42.866 --> 0:34:47.146 famous you are in the world because your own skin, 0:34:47.306 --> 0:34:50.146 you're in your own skin, and you don't you can't 0:34:50.586 --> 0:34:54.626 you separate yourself from it. And at the time there 0:34:54.706 --> 0:34:57.626 was no social media, so you couldn't. You had to 0:34:57.746 --> 0:34:58.946 kind of judge it by. 0:34:59.226 --> 0:35:02.266 As a kid in that era and not dating youore me, 0:35:02.426 --> 0:35:04.706 but I was that was like peak MTV, peak v 0:35:04.946 --> 0:35:07.026 H one, and you're video was on. 0:35:07.546 --> 0:35:09.266 You couldn't get away from every hour. 0:35:09.266 --> 0:35:11.626 And so like What's efford was part of it was 0:35:11.706 --> 0:35:14.146 Arrested Development, it was Ethridge, it was Twooty in the 0:35:14.146 --> 0:35:14.986 Blowfish like it was. 0:35:15.026 --> 0:35:16.466 The late nineties music back then. 0:35:16.546 --> 0:35:20.186 Yeah. Yeah, And for someone who had been hacking away 0:35:20.226 --> 0:35:21.826 at this for a while, I can imagine like I 0:35:21.906 --> 0:35:22.146 did it. 0:35:22.546 --> 0:35:25.146 Yeah, you there's a sense of, oh, well, there it is. 0:35:25.226 --> 0:35:28.706 There's my top ten album, there's now I'm a hit 0:35:28.826 --> 0:35:31.186 now and there's more people coming and I am I'm 0:35:31.186 --> 0:35:35.586 playing arenas and you know, and personally I wasn't happy, 0:35:35.746 --> 0:35:39.386 So that sort of I mean, you do know it. 0:35:40.066 --> 0:35:43.506 But again it's it's not even there's no you can't 0:35:43.546 --> 0:35:45.386 stop and go hey, you know, I did it. There 0:35:45.386 --> 0:35:48.106 I am. There's no stopping. You want more of it, 0:35:48.146 --> 0:35:50.026 you want to stay there, you want to you know, 0:35:50.226 --> 0:35:54.066 keep going. So it's a weird, funny trap the fame 0:35:54.186 --> 0:35:55.746 thing is, And it wasn't until I just let it 0:35:55.786 --> 0:35:56.866 all go and go Now I'm just going to do 0:35:56.906 --> 0:35:59.906 what I love and whoever wants to you know, enjoy it, 0:36:00.026 --> 0:36:00.746 you know, enjoy it. 0:36:00.946 --> 0:36:04.066 Yeah, And I'm imagining that the international stuff that you 0:36:04.106 --> 0:36:05.306 talk about in the show, a bunch of all of 0:36:05.306 --> 0:36:07.506 a sudden you're in these countries and they know your 0:36:07.546 --> 0:36:10.586 songs by heart. Yeah, it's a lot of travel, it's 0:36:10.626 --> 0:36:13.826 a lot away from home. Yeah, and of course you 0:36:13.906 --> 0:36:15.506 put it all together and you have this amazing career 0:36:15.546 --> 0:36:19.106 and then you're honored in all these different ways than 0:36:19.146 --> 0:36:21.626 the two thousands. How do you take it from that? Oh? 0:36:21.706 --> 0:36:22.066 My god. 0:36:22.626 --> 0:36:25.786 Well, the shock in the music industry from the nineties 0:36:25.826 --> 0:36:31.066 to the two thousands was unbelievable, and it grew once 0:36:31.466 --> 0:36:35.826 CDs came in and record companies started making ridiculous money 0:36:36.386 --> 0:36:36.786 for listener. 0:36:37.026 --> 0:36:39.266 It was twenty dollars for a CD. Back then. 0:36:39.586 --> 0:36:42.026 They didn't think anyone would buy them because they sounded 0:36:42.106 --> 0:36:44.546 so horrible. They were like, oh, and they just said, well, 0:36:44.586 --> 0:36:47.426 we'll just you know, twenty bucks a CD, okay, And 0:36:47.546 --> 0:36:49.786 all of a sudden everyone was buying them and they 0:36:49.826 --> 0:36:53.986 were making money hand over fist. My record the guy's 0:36:54.186 --> 0:36:56.706 My record company, Island Records, was founded by Chris Blackwell. 0:36:56.746 --> 0:36:59.866 He was just a genius. He brought Bob Marley to 0:36:59.986 --> 0:37:02.266 the world and you two, and he was just kind 0:37:02.306 --> 0:37:05.786 of this genius music guy. And so in the nineties 0:37:05.866 --> 0:37:09.466 then he sells his company for hundreds and millions of dollars, right, 0:37:09.826 --> 0:37:12.306 and so now at the end of the nineties, I'm 0:37:12.346 --> 0:37:15.386 part of a big conglomeration. The record the building is 0:37:15.426 --> 0:37:17.226 as big as this that I go into instead of 0:37:17.266 --> 0:37:20.906 this little thing I used to well in ninety five, 0:37:21.186 --> 0:37:23.306 you know the height of that, Yeah, that was it. 0:37:24.146 --> 0:37:29.906 By two thousand and five, empty empty, nobody's a sharing music. 0:37:30.226 --> 0:37:30.906 It's over. 0:37:31.706 --> 0:37:31.946 And the. 0:37:33.506 --> 0:37:38.346 Sales and everything just plummeted, and I realized, wow, I'm 0:37:38.386 --> 0:37:42.826 on my own. There's no yeah, no, no infrastructure anymore 0:37:42.866 --> 0:37:46.306 to really you know, the radio stations had narrowed themselves 0:37:46.346 --> 0:37:50.346 down to jack FM. Yeah yeah, exactly fifteen year olds 0:37:50.386 --> 0:37:53.466 and you were here or not. And you know, I 0:37:53.586 --> 0:37:55.746 get my songs played on you know, nineties radio and 0:37:55.786 --> 0:37:58.186 stuff like that now. But man, it was there was 0:37:58.306 --> 0:38:00.186 just no room for art. 0:38:00.226 --> 0:38:03.186 And yet there's this touring culture and you have your 0:38:03.266 --> 0:38:06.426 fan base, and I have to imagine that stuff never. 0:38:06.666 --> 0:38:08.826 No, that doesn't go away. And I learned very fast. 0:38:09.266 --> 0:38:11.386 I could see that if you were an artist and 0:38:11.506 --> 0:38:16.146 you didn't write your stuff, and you were not a 0:38:16.306 --> 0:38:18.546 live performer, you were, you know, just a kind of 0:38:18.546 --> 0:38:20.386 a tract sort of person. You were not going to 0:38:20.426 --> 0:38:23.146 make any money. You are, You're going to have money 0:38:23.226 --> 0:38:25.506 for a year or two, and then you're not. And 0:38:25.666 --> 0:38:28.586 you see all these people going bankrupt because of that. Fortunately, 0:38:28.786 --> 0:38:31.386 I write my own stuff, so I could that's part 0:38:31.426 --> 0:38:34.706 of an income. And then I was dedicated because I 0:38:34.906 --> 0:38:38.186 love it to performing, to going out there. Every year 0:38:38.346 --> 0:38:40.826 you go, I go over to Europe, I go to Australia, 0:38:40.906 --> 0:38:43.586 you keep going back that people keep coming. You do 0:38:43.746 --> 0:38:46.986 a show that they like, so they come and you 0:38:47.186 --> 0:38:48.946 can do all the hits so that you know, you 0:38:49.186 --> 0:38:51.946 play the songs that they love, and you just it's 0:38:52.186 --> 0:38:55.586 that's my bread and butter. That's that goes to me, 0:38:55.786 --> 0:38:58.426 all of that stuff, you know, and and it's that's 0:38:58.546 --> 0:38:59.346 that's what I do now. 0:38:59.506 --> 0:39:01.146 Yeah, Who are the who are the acts that you 0:39:01.186 --> 0:39:03.426 looked at as peers in the nineties when you were performing, 0:39:03.466 --> 0:39:06.626 and I know there was obviously this amazing movement of 0:39:06.986 --> 0:39:09.706 women musicians and of course this different voice, and so 0:39:09.786 --> 0:39:12.266 lillath Fair there was all Who were your crew? Who 0:39:12.266 --> 0:39:13.466 are the people that you rolled with? And who is 0:39:13.506 --> 0:39:14.666 kind of people that you looked at and said, hey, 0:39:14.706 --> 0:39:16.986 I see I I with this person, whether it be man, woman, whoever. 0:39:17.226 --> 0:39:17.666 Oh wow. 0:39:18.466 --> 0:39:22.546 Well Springsteen was a real help and a real please. 0:39:23.146 --> 0:39:25.986 That's amazing. It's a freehome New Jersey. I'm from, so 0:39:26.106 --> 0:39:26.426 he is. 0:39:28.466 --> 0:39:30.346 And he he kind of for for a couple of 0:39:30.386 --> 0:39:31.706 years that kind of took me under his wing, and 0:39:32.786 --> 0:39:36.506 that was ninety Yeah, I was right on Tunnel ninety 0:39:37.306 --> 0:39:39.426 two to about ninety nine. 0:39:39.466 --> 0:39:41.066 So he wasn't with the East Street Man at the time. 0:39:41.186 --> 0:39:44.866 Yeah, he was. Yeah, and so we and and so 0:39:45.266 --> 0:39:47.786 you know, we he helped a lot. We did a 0:39:48.626 --> 0:39:52.626 certainly certainly you've seen the Unplugged I did with him. Okay, good, 0:39:52.666 --> 0:39:55.146 I was like please, yes, and you know, and so 0:39:55.946 --> 0:40:00.306 that he really, he really was helpful in letting me know, look, 0:40:00.386 --> 0:40:03.546 you you know, you want to hit every now and then, 0:40:03.586 --> 0:40:05.346 but you don't want to have too many. You want 0:40:05.466 --> 0:40:07.346 to be known as a two artists. And he's the 0:40:07.386 --> 0:40:09.586 one who told me go back to Europe over and over. 0:40:09.626 --> 0:40:12.706 They'll keep coming out for you. And he knows that, 0:40:12.866 --> 0:40:15.626 and so I've just sort of followed that. But there, 0:40:15.706 --> 0:40:18.306 you know, there was a ton of artists in the 0:40:19.386 --> 0:40:22.786 nineties that you know, Cheryl Crow and you know, we 0:40:22.906 --> 0:40:25.146 all kind of were in the same boat together and 0:40:25.226 --> 0:40:25.786 Lannis Morris. 0:40:26.106 --> 0:40:28.426 You know, Cheryl Crow was inducted into the Rock and 0:40:28.546 --> 0:40:30.986 Roll Hall of Fame. We saw Dolly Parton at halftime. 0:40:31.026 --> 0:40:32.706 There is that something you would care about the rock 0:40:32.706 --> 0:40:34.226 and Roll Hall of Fame. I know, we laughed as 0:40:34.226 --> 0:40:35.026 we were talking off camera. 0:40:35.146 --> 0:40:37.546 Right now, do I care about it even a thing? 0:40:37.986 --> 0:40:38.306 Or is it? 0:40:38.546 --> 0:40:41.466 You know, I can't help, but it kind of is. 0:40:41.786 --> 0:40:43.746 It's not asking a football player. Is that a thing? 0:40:43.866 --> 0:40:45.186 It was the Hall of Fame. Yeah, it's a thing. 0:40:45.226 --> 0:40:47.786 You would love to be part of that, and you 0:40:47.826 --> 0:40:51.186 would hope that your music would would stand a testa 0:40:51.306 --> 0:40:56.426 time and be thought of as as you know, contributing 0:40:56.546 --> 0:40:59.186 something to the whole world of rock and roll. And 0:40:59.786 --> 0:41:02.346 and I hope to someday be able to celebrate with 0:41:02.466 --> 0:41:04.306 my family and do that. But I'm not going to 0:41:04.346 --> 0:41:05.386 get all twisted up about it. 0:41:05.626 --> 0:41:08.826 You also have a second memoir that is out and 0:41:08.906 --> 0:41:11.706 I think I haven't read it yet. I will, and 0:41:11.826 --> 0:41:14.586 it's a little deeper than just music in the past 0:41:14.626 --> 0:41:16.586 of fame. Why don't you share with the listeners what 0:41:16.746 --> 0:41:18.986 your heart and passionates really circled around? 0:41:19.026 --> 0:41:24.466 Now, well, yeah, it's my life has Oh, I've just 0:41:24.546 --> 0:41:26.506 had the most interesting life, I really have, and I'm 0:41:26.546 --> 0:41:29.226 so grateful for my life. But one of the journeys 0:41:29.226 --> 0:41:34.626 I've had is actually with plant medicine, you know, psychedelics 0:41:34.826 --> 0:41:39.066 as medicine. When I went through cancer twenty years ago. 0:41:39.866 --> 0:41:43.986 It played a big part in healing and kind of 0:41:44.706 --> 0:41:49.866 setting me to understand how important my own feeling is 0:41:49.906 --> 0:41:54.666 about myself, you know, my health, my you know choices 0:41:54.706 --> 0:41:58.946 I make. And the psychedelics part was was was a 0:41:58.986 --> 0:42:02.786 big part. And and in the book I talk about that, 0:42:02.906 --> 0:42:05.266 I talk about I mean, the first time wasn't actually 0:42:05.426 --> 0:42:08.946 an accidental overdose of cannabis. I call it my heroic 0:42:09.026 --> 0:42:11.626 dose of cannabis that I went way far out on. 0:42:12.506 --> 0:42:14.786 But it really opened my mind to a lot of stuff. 0:42:14.986 --> 0:42:20.546 And I'm a big supporter. And unfortunately, about three years 0:42:20.586 --> 0:42:24.146 ago I lost my son, my oldest son. He was 0:42:24.186 --> 0:42:29.066 twenty one, to an opioid addiction and he had he 0:42:29.186 --> 0:42:32.466 had gotten addicted through pain killers. He was a snowboarder 0:42:32.466 --> 0:42:35.386 and had a really bad accident and in his foot 0:42:36.266 --> 0:42:39.346 and so he went down that road and it was 0:42:39.546 --> 0:42:42.066 very hard to see him. And I had wished that 0:42:42.146 --> 0:42:46.146 there was some alternative, you know, to help him, and 0:42:46.346 --> 0:42:51.066 so we have formed after he passed, reformed the Ethridge Foundation, 0:42:51.586 --> 0:42:57.106 which is a leader in raising money to study to 0:42:57.346 --> 0:43:00.666 get the data because you know, the government says, well, 0:43:01.226 --> 0:43:03.826 you know, we can't deschedule these things because there's no data. 0:43:03.946 --> 0:43:07.146 Well you can't get data because their schedule. Yeah, So 0:43:07.466 --> 0:43:10.306 so we we go to foreign countries and we go 0:43:10.466 --> 0:43:12.986 all over and in America when we can to do 0:43:13.706 --> 0:43:19.266 to fund studies for specifically for these psychedelics, these plant 0:43:19.346 --> 0:43:23.466 medicines and how they can help with opioid EUSt disorder 0:43:23.746 --> 0:43:26.266 and you know, pain and all kinds of things. 0:43:26.426 --> 0:43:30.146 It's a beautiful show and that portional show. It's difficult. 0:43:30.186 --> 0:43:31.946 It is for the listener and for the viewer to 0:43:32.546 --> 0:43:34.186 watch it. You bearing your soul. It has to be 0:43:34.266 --> 0:43:36.946 therapeutic to be able to m kind of perform and yeah, 0:43:37.466 --> 0:43:39.226 share it with people and get it off your chest. 0:43:39.306 --> 0:43:41.146 Yeah, every night, over and over. I mean you you 0:43:41.266 --> 0:43:43.426 came the first night, the opening night, and it was 0:43:44.226 --> 0:43:48.786 really intense to speak about it. But then I got 0:43:48.826 --> 0:43:51.106 back the next night and did it, and the next night, 0:43:51.306 --> 0:43:54.626 and by my last couple of weeks, I was like, oh, 0:43:54.786 --> 0:43:57.546 I have found a way to organize this in my mind, 0:43:58.666 --> 0:44:03.586 which that that that feels good, that feels like okay, yeah, 0:44:03.586 --> 0:44:05.226 I'm going to be okay. I do believe this. I 0:44:05.266 --> 0:44:07.426 do believe that my son would want me to be 0:44:07.506 --> 0:44:10.466 happy and not struggle with any kind of guilt about 0:44:10.746 --> 0:44:12.906 this is something I didn't do or or did too 0:44:12.986 --> 0:44:15.186 much or whatever with him that he would want me 0:44:15.266 --> 0:44:18.986 to happy. He's out of pain. Now he's gone, you know, physically, 0:44:19.106 --> 0:44:20.946 but he's there and not you know. And and the 0:44:21.026 --> 0:44:26.586 spirituality that I have it really supports me in choosing 0:44:26.906 --> 0:44:30.746 not to you know, close off and make myself sick 0:44:30.866 --> 0:44:34.546 because I lost my son. And I tell you, by 0:44:34.586 --> 0:44:36.586 the last night, I was like, yeah, I got this. 0:44:37.186 --> 0:44:38.866 It really it was very healing. 0:44:39.066 --> 0:44:42.386 What an amazing opportunity you can even do that. What's next? 0:44:42.426 --> 0:44:42.986 What do you want to do? 0:44:43.666 --> 0:44:44.706 I just want to go on the road and just 0:44:44.746 --> 0:44:45.906 play my I was. 0:44:46.266 --> 0:44:47.426 You could do one or the other. You could say, 0:44:47.426 --> 0:44:48.466 I want to go on the road and playing songs, 0:44:48.586 --> 0:44:49.906 or I want to go hibernate for the next six 0:44:49.986 --> 0:44:50.946 months and not be seen. 0:44:50.786 --> 0:44:52.826 And just be going to watch football for the next 0:44:53.266 --> 0:44:53.786 three months. 0:44:53.866 --> 0:44:56.146 Figure Chiefs needed you to be watching football aast few months. 0:44:56.906 --> 0:44:57.986 Maybe that was the only thing missing. 0:44:58.666 --> 0:44:59.906 I'm so glad I missed the Broncos. 0:44:59.906 --> 0:45:01.786 I'm going to say the Broncos game wasn't the only one. 0:45:01.826 --> 0:45:03.266 I was at the Jets game, and I'm wondering if 0:45:03.306 --> 0:45:04.666 it's the same one. 0:45:04.826 --> 0:45:07.946 But I'm like, going, But doesn't it seem like that 0:45:08.106 --> 0:45:10.666 they were trying to just see what key fit and 0:45:10.706 --> 0:45:13.626 they would not give anybody. I don't know enough time, yes, 0:45:13.986 --> 0:45:15.786 until I had to do this. 0:45:16.026 --> 0:45:18.026 We're recording this. The Raiders game just happened. They were 0:45:18.026 --> 0:45:19.706 down fourteen nothing and they went there and we just 0:45:19.826 --> 0:45:22.266 talked about on the show. I don't get the feeling 0:45:22.346 --> 0:45:23.546 that they're suddenly fixed. 0:45:23.866 --> 0:45:25.266 No, no, no, no, no, nothing. 0:45:26.306 --> 0:45:28.026 This isn't the team that was beating the Titans and 0:45:28.066 --> 0:45:28.986 the Texans in the playoffs. 0:45:29.666 --> 0:45:32.346 That was with that Tyreek killing and he was he 0:45:32.466 --> 0:45:35.986 was obviously a big part of Patrick Mahomes's you know, 0:45:36.106 --> 0:45:39.026 and and they when you had Tyreek and Travis, well 0:45:39.106 --> 0:45:41.306 you can't double team both of them, so you know, 0:45:41.386 --> 0:45:45.226 you always had that kind of thing going on. So Okay, 0:45:45.306 --> 0:45:47.826 he doesn't have that, but we still have Travis and 0:45:48.306 --> 0:45:51.746 Rushie Rice. I think he's up there in the top. 0:45:52.066 --> 0:45:54.186 All the numbers and he leaves the wide receivers for them. 0:45:54.266 --> 0:45:57.266 And then it's just that that was just it's just 0:45:58.186 --> 0:45:59.986 throwing it to him over and over and over, getting 0:46:00.026 --> 0:46:01.946 him confident, getting I love talking. 0:46:03.746 --> 0:46:06.226 Defense has actually been carrying the offense the defense. 0:46:06.426 --> 0:46:09.186 See that's the difference. I mean, we'd play games like 0:46:09.546 --> 0:46:11.266 I went to the game in Oh my God, do 0:46:11.306 --> 0:46:15.186 you remember Jesus on the Wall five years ago? The 0:46:15.346 --> 0:46:17.306 Rams back in the college. 0:46:17.066 --> 0:46:20.066 Monday night game? Yes, and had to change it because 0:46:20.106 --> 0:46:21.946 of the fires, so they put it Monday night and 0:46:22.266 --> 0:46:23.826 it was fifty five to fifty one. 0:46:23.906 --> 0:46:26.466 I was at that game. It was the most electrifying, 0:46:26.746 --> 0:46:30.226 awesome game. Frustrating because my defense couldn't stop them, and 0:46:30.386 --> 0:46:32.946 now my defense can when it comes down to that 0:46:32.986 --> 0:46:34.946 part of the game and you're like, oh my god, 0:46:34.986 --> 0:46:37.586 if we just hold him for this, I believe that 0:46:37.706 --> 0:46:40.826 they can. And that's that's different to a Chiefs fan 0:46:40.826 --> 0:46:43.346 because we used to always go, all right, can they 0:46:43.466 --> 0:46:43.706 do it? 0:46:43.746 --> 0:46:45.786 I don't know. You know, you have such a unique 0:46:45.826 --> 0:46:48.866 perspective being a Chiefs fan and an international rock star. 0:46:49.266 --> 0:46:51.306 And we've talked about it before, you and I, But 0:46:51.466 --> 0:46:54.466 like this, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelcey, you can bringing over 0:46:54.546 --> 0:46:56.946 a whole other audience, and a lot of football fans 0:46:56.986 --> 0:46:58.306 are pushing it away it saying we don't need to 0:46:58.346 --> 0:47:00.386 see her after every touchdown please, And I don't need 0:47:00.466 --> 0:47:04.786 Travis Kelce's mom in a shot every two seconds with Taylor, 0:47:04.826 --> 0:47:06.986 I get it. Yeah, you have a different perspective. You 0:47:07.026 --> 0:47:08.106 think it's kind of cool. 0:47:08.386 --> 0:47:13.666 Yeah, I think it. I mean I never like to 0:47:13.706 --> 0:47:18.386 get political or kind of you know, or or highlight 0:47:18.826 --> 0:47:22.266 divides in our in our nation. But there is, uh, 0:47:23.106 --> 0:47:30.026 there's obviously a rise in in the female power in 0:47:30.426 --> 0:47:34.866 our society. You know, there's there's an equalization happening when 0:47:34.906 --> 0:47:37.306 you look around and see that. Who was the best 0:47:37.346 --> 0:47:39.866 thing for the economy in America? Oh it was Taylor Swift, 0:47:40.306 --> 0:47:43.946 you know, just in the Barbie movie and the Barbie movie. Yeah, 0:47:44.186 --> 0:47:49.386 so this is happening, and you know, good straight white 0:47:49.426 --> 0:47:52.666 guys are cool with it, and and there's others that 0:47:52.746 --> 0:47:56.466 are a little weird about it. So to see the 0:47:56.626 --> 0:48:03.386 most he man, you know, cool, the dude of all exactly, 0:48:04.106 --> 0:48:11.586 big straight white guy loving this powerful woman. That's that's 0:48:11.826 --> 0:48:14.386 that can only be good. That can only be good. 0:48:14.466 --> 0:48:16.586 It's like, look at that. See that's how you love 0:48:16.946 --> 0:48:19.626 a powerful woman. You you embrace her, you support her 0:48:19.666 --> 0:48:20.986 and show up and go yeah I'm here. 0:48:21.306 --> 0:48:23.546 There's that moment where he's down there in Argentina and 0:48:23.586 --> 0:48:26.306 she comes running off the station I don't care how 0:48:26.386 --> 0:48:28.786 cynical you are. I don't care how much you have 0:48:28.826 --> 0:48:29.586 to appreciate it. 0:48:29.786 --> 0:48:32.386 Yes, we went. Nut's my fan. I can't even I've 0:48:32.426 --> 0:48:34.906 got two. I've got a twenty seven and a seventeen 0:48:34.986 --> 0:48:37.466 year old daughter, and they just you know, where did 0:48:37.506 --> 0:48:41.266 you see? Did you see her? And it's so it's 0:48:41.386 --> 0:48:44.906 such an American story and it's beautiful and and it 0:48:45.066 --> 0:48:47.346 gives us something all to kind of look at and 0:48:47.426 --> 0:48:49.506 go look, no, no, no, we're not divided. This is 0:48:49.546 --> 0:48:51.626 how you can do it. We can we can grow 0:48:51.746 --> 0:48:55.386 and change and get out of the weird patriarchy stuff 0:48:55.426 --> 0:48:57.026 and be more balanced. 0:48:57.146 --> 0:49:00.386 Have you met Travis before? I have not that happen. 0:49:00.506 --> 0:49:02.666 He's really great, I bet. 0:49:02.786 --> 0:49:03.866 I mean I've just seen him. 0:49:04.026 --> 0:49:07.066 You know, He's funny, so fun and it's you know, 0:49:07.266 --> 0:49:10.546 it's not the corny like football player, it's he's clever. 0:49:10.786 --> 0:49:12.426 Like I had that experience with him where I'm like, oh, 0:49:12.466 --> 0:49:14.306 that was actually a good line. And he hosted Saturday 0:49:14.346 --> 0:49:15.306 Live and was excellent. 0:49:15.426 --> 0:49:20.266 He was awesome. Yeah. I I hope he doesn't retire soon, 0:49:20.386 --> 0:49:22.266 but you know, it is around the corner, and I'm 0:49:22.346 --> 0:49:22.946 prepared for that. 0:49:23.786 --> 0:49:25.306 He mentioned it in the Wall Street Journal. They had 0:49:25.306 --> 0:49:26.786 an article a big for him, and he said, you know, 0:49:26.946 --> 0:49:29.386 eventually that day's coming, and everyone freaked out. But you know, 0:49:29.506 --> 0:49:32.186 he's the Saint Magor's Gronkowski. Gronkowski's been out of the 0:49:32.186 --> 0:49:34.626 game for several years. No, so he's thirty four. 0:49:34.866 --> 0:49:37.546 It's not it's going to have You met Taylor Swift, Yes, 0:49:38.186 --> 0:49:42.106 well I met her once. Gosh, fifteen years ago when 0:49:42.466 --> 0:49:45.066 when she was like a second or third album was 0:49:45.146 --> 0:49:49.026 out and hers and regan where was it? I was 0:49:49.426 --> 0:49:53.146 it was an Awards thing cool and I was backstage 0:49:53.826 --> 0:49:56.226 and she was so this is when she was, you know, 0:49:56.466 --> 0:49:59.706 nineteen maybe or something, really young, and she came up 0:49:59.746 --> 0:50:02.946 to me and she was a fan, and it was 0:50:03.026 --> 0:50:04.466 very sweet, and she goes, I just got to tell 0:50:04.506 --> 0:50:06.986 you you You've meant so much to me. You I 0:50:07.146 --> 0:50:11.466 saw you when I was eleven years old in Reading, Pennsylvania, 0:50:12.146 --> 0:50:14.826 and she said, and my parents took me to see you, 0:50:15.466 --> 0:50:17.306 and I picked up the guitar because of you. 0:50:17.466 --> 0:50:18.306 Oh my god, I know. 0:50:18.506 --> 0:50:20.026 And I tell that to my kids all the time, 0:50:20.106 --> 0:50:23.666 just to try to get cool perspective, cool points. Yeah, 0:50:23.746 --> 0:50:24.906 but ye, that for you? Is that? 0:50:24.986 --> 0:50:27.066 Janice Joplin was that Joan Bias, who was wow. 0:50:27.546 --> 0:50:30.626 You know, No, Janes Joplins scared me when I was 0:50:30.666 --> 0:50:33.586 a kid. I thought it was too yeah, because I 0:50:33.706 --> 0:50:35.906 got it when I was like eighteen or nineteen, But 0:50:35.986 --> 0:50:38.826 when I was eleven or twelve, it was she had 0:50:38.866 --> 0:50:41.626 weird hair and I screamed. I didn't get it. It 0:50:41.866 --> 0:50:44.706 was there's more of the Beatles. It was more your 0:50:44.706 --> 0:50:46.706 singer songwriters, and there wasn't a lot of women that 0:50:46.826 --> 0:50:47.946 I looked. 0:50:47.786 --> 0:50:49.706 Up to at that time. Joan Mitchell, like I'm trying 0:50:49.706 --> 0:50:50.586 to wrap, Yeah, Joan. 0:50:50.506 --> 0:50:55.266 Mitchell was as a as a songwriter. I really appreciated her. 0:50:55.786 --> 0:50:57.586 There was an artist named Joan Armor Trading that was 0:50:58.146 --> 0:51:00.226 that was kind of underground and big in the late 0:51:00.266 --> 0:51:04.306 seventies early eighties that I loved. It was the songwriters. 0:51:04.346 --> 0:51:07.106 It was Bruce Springsteen, you know, it was it was 0:51:07.946 --> 0:51:09.866 it was Barbara Streisan, you know, I thought she was 0:51:09.906 --> 0:51:12.306 an incredible performer. It was the you know, the people 0:51:12.386 --> 0:51:14.466 that got up and were able to hold an audience 0:51:14.626 --> 0:51:16.426 and say. I always felt like if I could sing, 0:51:16.946 --> 0:51:19.906 if I could write, then I could, you know, stay 0:51:20.066 --> 0:51:24.706 in that arena of singer songwriters that I that I loved. 0:51:25.226 --> 0:51:28.226 The Chiefs are now driving towards the playoffing, would you 0:51:28.306 --> 0:51:29.706 go to a game in the next few weeks or 0:51:29.706 --> 0:51:30.546 are you like, I'm good? 0:51:31.426 --> 0:51:37.306 Oh, it's funny if if they asked me to come 0:51:37.426 --> 0:51:42.466 do something. Okay, anthem, I've done the anthem three times 0:51:42.626 --> 0:51:46.746 and they've lost every time. Okay, so I know, I know, 0:51:46.866 --> 0:51:48.986 I know, So I would have been the drum too. 0:51:49.146 --> 0:51:49.266 Right. 0:51:49.386 --> 0:51:51.026 No, I have not been that they have asked me, 0:51:51.106 --> 0:51:55.266 but I wasn't able to get there, so I might. 0:51:55.786 --> 0:51:58.066 I don't know. I get really comfortable at home, and 0:51:58.226 --> 0:52:01.066 now that I have not that, I've had to watch 0:52:01.106 --> 0:52:02.146 the games recorded. 0:52:02.826 --> 0:52:04.866 Do you really like There's an old Seinfeld episode where 0:52:04.906 --> 0:52:07.786 he's like, I watch every we Met game on vc R, 0:52:07.906 --> 0:52:09.506 don't tell me, and then right when he's about to 0:52:09.506 --> 0:52:11.106 get to like the biggest point, someone said, no, the 0:52:11.146 --> 0:52:13.386 Mets lost. Right, you're that person. You watch it. So 0:52:13.426 --> 0:52:14.826 how do you stay off social media? Is you don't 0:52:14.866 --> 0:52:16.986 see to do it? There's no bottom line ticker. You're 0:52:17.026 --> 0:52:19.226 able to DVR a game, yeah, and you'll watch it 0:52:19.306 --> 0:52:21.506 start to finish and somehow not get a score, not 0:52:21.586 --> 0:52:23.466 a text, nothing. That's amazing. 0:52:23.546 --> 0:52:26.546 Yeah, it is amazing and nowadays, the things you can 0:52:26.706 --> 0:52:28.506 you can watch him really fast, you know you can. 0:52:28.906 --> 0:52:34.546 And and sometimes like the Broncos game, and I took 0:52:34.586 --> 0:52:37.626 there's a thing it's like, you know, uh, important plays 0:52:37.746 --> 0:52:39.426 or something up to you know, when they're playing. And 0:52:39.466 --> 0:52:41.546 I was like, okay, just give me the And then 0:52:41.586 --> 0:52:43.746 I watched the last quarter and I was like, oh, 0:52:43.986 --> 0:52:46.946 this is horrible. All that hurt, especially in the Broncos. 0:52:46.986 --> 0:52:49.306 But they were playing with such passion because they were 0:52:49.466 --> 0:52:51.626 we had beat them, you know, bazillion times. 0:52:51.706 --> 0:52:53.786 And I'm friendly with Sean Payton, and this whole thing 0:52:53.946 --> 0:52:55.706 was like, if I'm taking this job, I've got to 0:52:55.706 --> 0:52:58.426 deal with Justin Herbert twice a year. And Patrick Collins 0:52:58.506 --> 0:53:02.226 is like, I can't so him to beat Mams. Yeah, banishment, 0:53:03.866 --> 0:53:06.746 Would you perform a song? I know we're here as weird. 0:53:06.786 --> 0:53:09.946 I don't know my guitar and did you play one 0:53:09.946 --> 0:53:10.466 of your heads? 0:53:11.786 --> 0:53:11.986 Yeah? 0:53:12.186 --> 0:53:12.506 Why not? 0:53:12.826 --> 0:53:15.186 All right? Uh, Melissa Etheridge take it away. 0:53:15.306 --> 0:53:15.706 Here we go. 0:53:27.146 --> 0:53:28.746 I would dial the numbers. 0:53:29.466 --> 0:53:31.026 Just listen to your birth. 0:53:32.746 --> 0:53:35.986 I would stand inside my head and hold the hand 0:53:36.066 --> 0:53:40.786 of death. You don't know how far I'd go to 0:53:40.946 --> 0:53:44.706 ease this precious ache. You don't know how much. 0:53:44.786 --> 0:53:49.306 I'd give how much I can take just to reach you, 0:53:51.306 --> 0:53:55.386 Just to reach you, to reach you. 0:54:00.626 --> 0:54:10.146 Come to my window, all in shine, wait by the 0:54:10.346 --> 0:54:14.186 light of the moon, Come to my window. 0:54:15.626 --> 0:54:25.106 I'll be on the shore. I don't care what they think. 0:54:28.666 --> 0:54:31.266 I don't care what they say. 0:54:34.346 --> 0:54:35.426 What are they all about? 0:54:35.546 --> 0:54:58.626 This law? Where came to my window, crawling shine, wait 0:54:59.306 --> 0:55:04.466 by the light of the moon, on to my window. 0:55:06.026 --> 0:55:19.306 I that was unbelievable. Thank you. One of my favorite 0:55:19.386 --> 0:55:22.146 performances of all time was right there, right now. That 0:55:22.346 --> 0:55:24.706 was so good. Howard Stern once had the Foo Fighters 0:55:24.746 --> 0:55:26.906 on him. They played ever long acoustic on their show, 0:55:27.026 --> 0:55:28.906 and He's just like, oh my god, that's how I 0:55:28.946 --> 0:55:32.386 feel right so good, and I appreciate you doing that. 0:55:33.386 --> 0:55:34.786 What a pleasure, What a pleasure. 0:55:35.346 --> 0:55:37.226 We've been friends for a bit on social media through 0:55:37.266 --> 0:55:38.986 the show, but I feel like we've really connected over 0:55:38.986 --> 0:55:40.706 the last couple of years, and I just you're a 0:55:40.746 --> 0:55:42.746 special person. Thank you so much for joining us today. 0:55:42.826 --> 0:55:44.906 Thank you. In best of luck to you, and come 0:55:44.986 --> 0:55:46.346 see me sometime when you're now. 0:55:46.426 --> 0:55:48.186 I'm definitely gonna be out there and we will definitely 0:55:48.186 --> 0:55:48.946 see it, and I would. 0:55:48.706 --> 0:55:50.426 Love to see the perform Come have a dinner. 0:55:50.466 --> 0:55:52.866 All right, beautiful guys. Melssa Etherage on the season with 0:55:52.946 --> 0:56:09.786 Peter Schrager. Uh, go about those je Aaron, that was amazing. 0:56:11.146 --> 0:56:16.226 I was not expecting to be recording an acoustic performance 0:56:16.306 --> 0:56:20.826 today this morning, and that was huge highlight. That was incredible. 0:56:20.866 --> 0:56:22.386 One of the it was great. 0:56:22.546 --> 0:56:25.346 That was yeah, a speech the listeners. It's four of 0:56:25.426 --> 0:56:27.466 us in an office space and it's four of them, 0:56:27.506 --> 0:56:35.106 and like that was amazing. Melissa Etharge so cool and gosh, uh, 0:56:35.786 --> 0:56:38.666 that was neat. It was neat. I'm kind of spelled bout. 0:56:38.666 --> 0:56:39.826 I'm a little awestruck right now. 0:56:40.386 --> 0:56:41.426 Yeah, it was nice. 0:56:41.466 --> 0:56:43.226 Before you came in, you know, she was sitting in 0:56:43.306 --> 0:56:44.746 here and so we were chatting a little and I 0:56:44.786 --> 0:56:46.786 was talking to her about different guitars and everything, and 0:56:47.226 --> 0:56:49.306 you know, getting the story behind this guitar that she's 0:56:49.346 --> 0:56:51.346 got with her, and she just had it and I 0:56:51.426 --> 0:56:53.026 was like, oh, she's you know, she just has the 0:56:53.066 --> 0:56:55.466 guitar with her. And then she didn't put it away 0:56:55.466 --> 0:56:56.946 and then it was sitting there and then I went 0:56:56.986 --> 0:56:57.186 for it. 0:56:57.266 --> 0:56:58.626 I was like, we play us one of your hits, 0:56:58.626 --> 0:57:00.746 because I could also say, like, we play us a song, 0:57:00.786 --> 0:57:02.666 and she does like a silly like Chief song, or 0:57:03.266 --> 0:57:05.306 she does something where she plays like a new song. 0:57:05.986 --> 0:57:09.106 She played the biggest song of the nineties, just like 0:57:09.186 --> 0:57:10.146 an acoustic person. 0:57:11.026 --> 0:57:15.586 Yeah, you know, I think from now on, every guest, 0:57:15.986 --> 0:57:19.266 including ocs, including you know, gms, they've got to come on, 0:57:19.346 --> 0:57:21.466 they got to do an acoustic performance of as they 0:57:21.466 --> 0:57:21.786 got to have. 0:57:21.746 --> 0:57:24.026 A talent crche Like we bring on John Schneider from 0:57:24.026 --> 0:57:26.226 the Seahawks, and he takes us through the drafting of 0:57:26.306 --> 0:57:28.146 a player, and like we get to watch it like 0:57:28.226 --> 0:57:31.786 in real time, we watch his craft. In all seriousness. 0:57:31.826 --> 0:57:35.786 I grew up listening uh to most Ethridge's music, of course, 0:57:35.946 --> 0:57:38.506 as one of many artists from the nineties, and then 0:57:38.546 --> 0:57:40.586 I have such an appreciation for acoustic, whether it be 0:57:41.266 --> 0:57:46.586 VH one, UH, Storytellers, MTV Unplugged, and I mentioned to 0:57:46.706 --> 0:57:49.946 her the Howard Stern performance that Dave Grohl and Foo 0:57:49.986 --> 0:57:52.106 Fighters had have ever long, which is like consider one 0:57:52.146 --> 0:57:55.626 of the greatest like live impromptu on a show performances. 0:57:56.586 --> 0:57:58.146 That was that moment for us right here. That was 0:57:58.226 --> 0:57:59.946 kind of cool. It's very different than our usual guests, 0:58:00.706 --> 0:58:02.906 all due respect to Nick Cassario GM of the Texans. 0:58:03.306 --> 0:58:06.586 Different element here when you got live live music was 0:58:06.626 --> 0:58:10.626 really cool. Let's wrap it with a quick mention of 0:58:10.706 --> 0:58:12.666 the game of the year, which is gonna be on Sunday, 0:58:13.626 --> 0:58:16.226 Eagles versus forty nine Ers. I think it's the best 0:58:16.266 --> 0:58:18.226 game on the schedule I set up before the season started. 0:58:18.586 --> 0:58:21.146 Here's why. A. It might help decide who's home, although 0:58:21.146 --> 0:58:22.666 I think it's gonna probably go through Philly the way 0:58:22.666 --> 0:58:26.666 the schedules lie out. B. These teams hate each other. 0:58:27.506 --> 0:58:30.906 It's real. They don't like each other. Deebo Samuel I 0:58:30.986 --> 0:58:34.106 think called James Bradbury trash last year, and then they 0:58:34.106 --> 0:58:35.466 asked him this week about it and he's like, no, 0:58:35.546 --> 0:58:37.386 I double down, like I don't regret anything I say. 0:58:38.226 --> 0:58:40.146 If you remember, Fred Warner's wife, Sidney, was in the 0:58:40.186 --> 0:58:42.426 crowd and she came out on her podcast afterwards saying 0:58:42.466 --> 0:58:45.226 that the Eagles fans were absolutely horrendous to her and 0:58:45.346 --> 0:58:47.666 to the other Niners' wives. It wasn't even funny, it 0:58:47.746 --> 0:58:51.586 was like dangerous. And then on the field, there's a 0:58:51.786 --> 0:58:55.146 feeling from the Niners side that they were screwed last 0:58:55.186 --> 0:58:56.706 year by the brock Purty injury, and that was a 0:58:56.746 --> 0:58:59.666 freak thing that happened, and there's an asterisk, and I'm 0:58:59.706 --> 0:59:01.466 putting this words in their mouth. It's not them saying, 0:59:01.586 --> 0:59:03.186 but there's kind of an asterisk to the whole thing 0:59:03.266 --> 0:59:05.066 that they didn't get a chance to play the Eagles 0:59:05.106 --> 0:59:07.946 with their full strength, with Perdy being on the field. 0:59:08.026 --> 0:59:10.186 So Perty's on the field, Devo's on the field, Trent 0:59:10.186 --> 0:59:13.066 Williams on the field, Kittles on the field. Four o'clock 0:59:13.106 --> 0:59:15.546 on Fox. Greg Olsen, who I didn't mention as a 0:59:15.586 --> 0:59:17.826 potential Carolina Panthers head coach. I saw he put his 0:59:17.906 --> 0:59:20.266 name in the mix or someone through it in their form. 0:59:20.626 --> 0:59:22.826 He'll be calling the game with Kevin Burkhart, Erny Andrews 0:59:22.866 --> 0:59:26.266 on the sideline. I'll be on Fox pregame doing it 0:59:26.346 --> 0:59:28.786 from LA. But I really do feel like this is 0:59:28.866 --> 0:59:31.066 like forget NFC Championship preview. I feel like the winner 0:59:31.066 --> 0:59:33.426 of this game is the top team in the NFL 0:59:33.506 --> 0:59:35.906 right now in the AFC is wide open. On that note, 0:59:36.026 --> 0:59:38.346 the season with Peter Schrager delivering results is presented by 0:59:38.466 --> 0:59:41.626 Uber Eats. It's time for delivering results presented by our 0:59:41.706 --> 0:59:44.786 friends at all Uber eats. Where I discussed a team 0:59:45.066 --> 0:59:48.426 or a player that deserves the award this week for 0:59:48.506 --> 0:59:51.266 their performance last week. I'm going with the La Rams. 0:59:51.386 --> 0:59:55.226 Running Back Kyn Williams got off the ir and went 0:59:55.386 --> 0:59:57.826 for two hundred and four yards of scrimmage only a 0:59:57.906 --> 0:59:59.986 few weeks after going for one hundred and fifty eight 1:00:00.106 --> 1:00:03.066 yards from scrimmage against the same Cardinals team. Before he 1:00:03.146 --> 1:00:05.066 got hurt. They were one in three when he was out, 1:00:05.426 --> 1:00:08.186 they win the game. Suddenly, with all of these teams 1:00:08.266 --> 1:00:11.106 losing in the NFL and especially in the NFC, the 1:00:11.266 --> 1:00:14.386 Rams have two straight wins. They're five and six, they're 1:00:14.546 --> 1:00:16.826 a half a game out of the playoffs, and they've 1:00:16.866 --> 1:00:20.146 got a pretty manageable schedule up ahead. Yes, they've got 1:00:20.186 --> 1:00:22.706 the Ravens, but after that, I think the Rams they 1:00:22.786 --> 1:00:24.786 might do a little thing or two in the NFC 1:00:24.946 --> 1:00:27.506 and they might find themselves as a seventh seed. Stafford 1:00:27.586 --> 1:00:30.626 was amazing, but Kyrone william second year running back in 1:00:30.666 --> 1:00:33.066 a Notre Dame, a Day three guy. He is our 1:00:33.186 --> 1:00:36.146 winner of the Delivering Results presented by Uber Eats Award 1:00:36.346 --> 1:00:39.226 for this week. On that note, I want to thank 1:00:39.306 --> 1:00:43.506 both of you guys, Aaron Wan Kaufman, Jason English. I 1:00:43.586 --> 1:00:45.066 want to thank everyone out in LA. I want to 1:00:45.106 --> 1:00:48.506 thank Melissa Etheridge for wowing us today with her musical brilliance, 1:00:48.866 --> 1:00:50.146 and I want to thank you the listeners. We've got 1:00:50.186 --> 1:00:53.466 a lot of great feedback over the last couple of 1:00:53.466 --> 1:00:56.706 weeks from whether it be Drew Petsing or Cassario or 1:00:57.146 --> 1:01:00.706 last week Han Schroeder, the NFL Media EVP. It's a 1:01:00.746 --> 1:01:02.946 wide range of guests. We're doing good things. I think 1:01:02.986 --> 1:01:04.946 I've mentioned it before. We're in talks to see if 1:01:04.946 --> 1:01:06.026 we can get to the super Bowl and do a 1:01:06.026 --> 1:01:08.946 show from there. If not, that's a budgetary thing and 1:01:09.106 --> 1:01:11.346 we'll have to just lick our wounds and keep on rolling. 1:01:11.906 --> 1:01:14.386 In the meantime, let's continue to keep on rolling. We 1:01:14.426 --> 1:01:15.746 can only do what we can do. We can only 1:01:15.786 --> 1:01:17.546 control what we can control, and we're gonna continue to 1:01:17.586 --> 1:01:19.786 get the best guests we possibly can and maybe a 1:01:19.866 --> 1:01:21.666 live performance of a number one hit from the nineteen 1:01:21.706 --> 1:01:25.666 nineties in studio. Enjoy the week, guys, an amazing slight ahead. 1:01:26.106 --> 1:01:28.386 Enjoy that Eagles forty nine Ers game until next week. 1:01:28.586 --> 1:01:39.306 This is the Season with Peter Schregan. The Season with 1:01:39.386 --> 1:01:42.586 Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL in partnership 1:01:42.626 --> 1:01:46.946 with iHeartRadio. 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