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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Season with Peter Schreger. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: here by Aaron Wong Kaufman, a producer with Jason English

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Speaker 1: from the iHeart team, and we're sitting this week in

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Speaker 1: a dressing room on a high floor of a Manhattan

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Speaker 1: sky rise. And our guest is one of the most

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Speaker 1: successful musicians of all time. She also happens to be

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Speaker 1: an enormous Kansas City Chiefs fan. Melissa Etherich, who just

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Speaker 1: got done doing a six week Broadway show might have

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Speaker 1: been longer, to be honest, I saw it on opening night.

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Speaker 1: It was the Broadway show one woman show about her life,

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Speaker 1: which included about with cancer, included multiple number one hits,

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Speaker 1: included her coming out of the lesbian her getting married,

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Speaker 1: her getting divorced, then her of course rise to fame,

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Speaker 1: and there's a tragedy at the end where she loses

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Speaker 1: her son and she bears her soul in this Broadway show.

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Speaker 1: It just wrapped, and she's in New York still and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we got to have you on and she's

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Speaker 1: going to join us in just a second. Very cool

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Speaker 1: to have in studio guests. We had Hans Schroeder last

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Speaker 1: week from the NFL in his office. Well, we're in

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Speaker 1: my office now in one place I don't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: any desire to be as in David Tepper's office right now.

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Speaker 1: David Tepper is the owner of the Carolina Panthers. They

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Speaker 1: made a surprise firing of Frank Reich public yesterday. As

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Speaker 1: we're recording this, and Tepper just got done with a

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Speaker 1: press conference addressing the local media. Let's go through some

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Speaker 1: of the facts here. The Carolina Panthers are an unwatchable team.

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Speaker 1: Their quarterback Bryce young Look was completely lost and they

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Speaker 1: mortgaged a lot of the future to go get him.

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Speaker 1: They hired Frank Reich, who was a veteran coach, to

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Speaker 1: Reik has coached several young quarterbacks in the past and

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Speaker 1: has had great success with guys like Philip Rivers and

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Speaker 1: like a young Carson Wentz and of course like Nick Foles.

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Speaker 1: When Foles went on his rise in Philadelphia, it hasn't

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Speaker 1: happened in Carolina. He gets fired eleven games into his

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Speaker 1: first season with Carolina, Aaron It is the quickest firing

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Speaker 1: of a first year NFL head coach in forty five years.

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer lasted longer, Nathaniel Hackett lasted longer. Frank Reike

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Speaker 1: the heels of him also firing Ron Rivera when he

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Speaker 1: got there, also firing Matt Ruhle a couple of years

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Speaker 1: his team playing good football last year and is now

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator of the forty nine ers. The initial

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Speaker 1: reaction around the league and by fans is fair, it's

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Speaker 1: how could you do that? That's ridiculous. You don't give

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Speaker 1: Frank Reich a chance. I've had some time to talk

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Speaker 1: to a lot of folks and you'd be surprised. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people, and several who have similar positions in

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Speaker 1: the league, meaning either owners or president, say like, rip

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Speaker 1: the band aid off. It's going to be a wild January.

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Speaker 1: What do I mean by that? Not about the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: There is talk there's going to be eight to ten

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Speaker 1: job openings in the NFL this year, and you can

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Speaker 1: some of those teams that might be replacing their coaches.

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Speaker 1: And some of these guys will save their jobs. We've

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Speaker 1: seen it before. I saw Chuck Pagano save his job

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Speaker 1: We've seen it before where these guys can turn it around.

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Speaker 1: But if you're talking just offhand, and I don't need

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Speaker 1: So why would Carolina do this now? Well, Vegas already

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Speaker 1: a full coaching search and Antonio will be one of

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Speaker 1: do all of the work now ahead of interviews. Go

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Speaker 1: to the farthest regions of the world and talk to

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Speaker 1: all of the candidates lined up that you want. Now,

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Speaker 1: And the owner just showed that he'll fire you if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work. In eleven eleven weeks. He hasn't like

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Speaker 1: I say this. It would take a boatload of money.

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Speaker 1: How much money is Ben Johnson worth? Ben Johnson a

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Speaker 1: his face. Ben Johnson, whose name is still mistaken for

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the first Google search that

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Speaker 1: that would be Bobby Slowick in Houston, who's thirty seven

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Speaker 1: By that, I mean Brian Johnson, the offensive coordinator of

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Speaker 1: I want a Grammy, okay, so let's get you an Emmy.

424
00:20:29,346 --> 00:20:30,386
Speaker 1: How do we get you an Emmy.

425
00:20:30,506 --> 00:20:32,946
Speaker 2: Well, I'm working on Believe me, I've got lots of plans.

426
00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:36,906
Speaker 1: Is it so like when you hear that the accolades

427
00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:40,146
Speaker 1: listed and you're sitting and then you add in Broadway show,

428
00:20:40,266 --> 00:20:43,386
Speaker 1: Where does that stand? I'm like, the accomplishments and accolade

429
00:20:43,426 --> 00:20:43,906
Speaker 1: from a career.

430
00:20:43,946 --> 00:20:48,066
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I stopped thinking about the once I

431
00:20:48,146 --> 00:20:50,466
Speaker 2: won an award. I was like, Oh, it's not really

432
00:20:50,506 --> 00:20:53,426
Speaker 2: about the award. It's about getting there. It's about the experience.

433
00:20:53,466 --> 00:20:58,426
Speaker 2: And I really nowadays it's more about I want that experience.

434
00:20:58,546 --> 00:21:01,706
Speaker 2: Whether whatever awards are great, they're fun. I'm not putting

435
00:21:01,746 --> 00:21:05,066
Speaker 2: them down, but it's the experience. In man, this experience

436
00:21:05,226 --> 00:21:08,106
Speaker 2: of being here in New York City, being part of Broadway,

437
00:21:08,546 --> 00:21:10,666
Speaker 2: going and doing the show, same show over and over,

438
00:21:10,786 --> 00:21:13,586
Speaker 2: five nights a week. That was an experience and it's

439
00:21:13,586 --> 00:21:16,626
Speaker 2: something that I'm proud I did. Probably won't do it

440
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:17,506
Speaker 2: again soon.

441
00:21:17,546 --> 00:21:19,626
Speaker 1: But I have to mention it's just I mean, because

442
00:21:19,866 --> 00:21:21,986
Speaker 1: I've got friends who are on Broadway, we've seen it, like, yeah,

443
00:21:22,266 --> 00:21:26,306
Speaker 1: that grind of obviously six days a week, but then

444
00:21:26,346 --> 00:21:28,226
Speaker 1: you have the matinee shows and then you have the

445
00:21:28,306 --> 00:21:30,986
Speaker 1: two shows on certain day. By the end of it.

446
00:21:31,026 --> 00:21:32,866
Speaker 1: Are you just so mentally and physically exhausted doing a

447
00:21:32,906 --> 00:21:35,066
Speaker 1: Broadway show every day? I can only imagine. Yeah.

448
00:21:35,146 --> 00:21:38,066
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, bless my family. My daughter was

449
00:21:38,306 --> 00:21:41,506
Speaker 2: staying here and she just totally understood. And my wife,

450
00:21:41,546 --> 00:21:44,226
Speaker 2: who was there with me constantly like okay, you know,

451
00:21:45,026 --> 00:21:47,586
Speaker 2: sleep in, make sure I had enough sleep and and

452
00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:49,866
Speaker 2: fed me and just you know, I had a great

453
00:21:49,986 --> 00:21:53,746
Speaker 2: support and but boy, it was very exhausting.

454
00:21:53,826 --> 00:21:57,266
Speaker 1: Yeah. And for the listeners, the show is amazing. It

455
00:21:57,466 --> 00:22:00,066
Speaker 1: is your story, so it's not just doing a show,

456
00:22:00,386 --> 00:22:04,546
Speaker 1: it is bearing your soul to strangers. Your story is incredible.

457
00:22:04,586 --> 00:22:07,626
Speaker 1: But I mean there's the first of all to rock concerts.

458
00:22:07,666 --> 00:22:09,866
Speaker 1: He play all the hits, which is awesome, but it's

459
00:22:09,866 --> 00:22:12,186
Speaker 1: also this emotional journey through your life and what you've

460
00:22:12,266 --> 00:22:15,266
Speaker 1: learned and all the tragedies, but also the amazing highs

461
00:22:15,306 --> 00:22:18,386
Speaker 1: that have come with it. Of all the people who

462
00:22:18,466 --> 00:22:21,946
Speaker 1: you got to meet through this experience, either attending the

463
00:22:21,986 --> 00:22:24,746
Speaker 1: show or people who perform with Was there someone new

464
00:22:24,786 --> 00:22:26,266
Speaker 1: in your life that you met that you were like, Wow,

465
00:22:26,306 --> 00:22:27,666
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. I'm so glad I got to

466
00:22:27,706 --> 00:22:28,946
Speaker 1: come away with that experience as well.

467
00:22:29,906 --> 00:22:33,026
Speaker 2: You know, yes, there was. I did get to meet

468
00:22:33,026 --> 00:22:34,466
Speaker 2: a lot of people, a lot of great people. Came

469
00:22:34,506 --> 00:22:37,106
Speaker 2: back and met a lot of people you know, on

470
00:22:37,266 --> 00:22:42,386
Speaker 2: Broadway doing the stuff. But it surprisingly enough, it was Wolverine. Yeah,

471
00:22:42,466 --> 00:22:43,026
Speaker 2: it was huge.

472
00:22:43,106 --> 00:22:43,466
Speaker 1: Jackman.

473
00:22:43,826 --> 00:22:45,946
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I asked a friendship like butt from this

474
00:22:46,386 --> 00:22:48,746
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I had met him before. You know,

475
00:22:49,306 --> 00:22:52,906
Speaker 2: we you know Hollywood, and you go, you know, I

476
00:22:52,986 --> 00:22:55,706
Speaker 2: know this person, but you know, are they? And the

477
00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:59,826
Speaker 2: show touched him and he if someone had told him

478
00:22:59,826 --> 00:23:01,306
Speaker 2: you should come see the show that maybe it would

479
00:23:01,306 --> 00:23:04,106
Speaker 2: help because he was going through some stuff and it

480
00:23:04,186 --> 00:23:07,066
Speaker 2: really touched him. And I gave him my number. I said,

481
00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:09,106
Speaker 2: you know, call me, and you know he didn't.

482
00:23:09,146 --> 00:23:09,546
Speaker 6: He didn't.

483
00:23:09,706 --> 00:23:12,066
Speaker 2: And the friend that the mutual friend, I was like,

484
00:23:12,146 --> 00:23:14,306
Speaker 2: you know what, tell him, he's not bothering me if

485
00:23:14,306 --> 00:23:16,506
Speaker 2: he calls me. And and he called, and we just

486
00:23:16,546 --> 00:23:18,786
Speaker 2: started talking about life. We started talking a lot about

487
00:23:19,346 --> 00:23:21,826
Speaker 2: what the show is about, which is, you know, how

488
00:23:21,906 --> 00:23:25,386
Speaker 2: to be successful and you know, famous in this world

489
00:23:25,466 --> 00:23:27,826
Speaker 2: and not lose your mind, you know, and be a person,

490
00:23:27,946 --> 00:23:32,706
Speaker 2: and and how not to just please everybody because we

491
00:23:32,826 --> 00:23:35,066
Speaker 2: have so much success, we've got to make sure everybody

492
00:23:35,066 --> 00:23:37,586
Speaker 2: else is happy around us. That's a that's a hard

493
00:23:37,626 --> 00:23:41,546
Speaker 2: hole to fall into. And and we've just been talking

494
00:23:41,826 --> 00:23:43,946
Speaker 2: and I can now say, you know, I have a

495
00:23:44,026 --> 00:23:44,906
Speaker 2: new friend because.

496
00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:48,426
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. The show itself tells the story, but

497
00:23:48,506 --> 00:23:50,266
Speaker 1: I think one of the takeaways something you just hit

498
00:23:50,306 --> 00:23:52,866
Speaker 1: on that you were, in a lot of ways chasing

499
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,946
Speaker 1: not fame, but you were chasing it. Yeah, and then

500
00:23:55,986 --> 00:23:58,266
Speaker 1: you got it. And it was in the early nineties

501
00:23:58,426 --> 00:24:00,026
Speaker 1: and you're sitting on the perch and you're on the

502
00:24:00,266 --> 00:24:02,746
Speaker 1: cover of Rolling Stone and in the show you explained

503
00:24:03,306 --> 00:24:05,866
Speaker 1: there was this emptiness of wait, I got it in

504
00:24:06,466 --> 00:24:07,666
Speaker 1: it hasn't filled that hole.

505
00:24:07,906 --> 00:24:12,466
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that I think it's hard to explain to

506
00:24:12,546 --> 00:24:15,026
Speaker 2: people who don't have this sort of experience. But but you,

507
00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:17,586
Speaker 2: I'm sure have, you know, growing up loving sports the

508
00:24:17,626 --> 00:24:19,906
Speaker 2: way you do, and now you are on you know,

509
00:24:19,986 --> 00:24:22,386
Speaker 2: one of the greatest, you know, football shows ever in

510
00:24:22,506 --> 00:24:26,346
Speaker 2: my opinion, and you know, you're like, yeah, but that's

511
00:24:26,386 --> 00:24:28,666
Speaker 2: not it that I don't wake up and go, well,

512
00:24:28,746 --> 00:24:31,506
Speaker 2: I did it, you know, you you It is about

513
00:24:31,586 --> 00:24:34,826
Speaker 2: the dreams, it's about the the adventures on the way

514
00:24:34,906 --> 00:24:39,346
Speaker 2: to it, and and so putting that in front of

515
00:24:39,466 --> 00:24:42,186
Speaker 2: me all the time, no matter what. Oh, this is

516
00:24:42,266 --> 00:24:44,586
Speaker 2: the this is the next adventure. That's what I'm looking

517
00:24:44,666 --> 00:24:45,186
Speaker 2: forward to.

518
00:24:45,546 --> 00:24:48,466
Speaker 1: Yeah, the story is amazing and your life story is amazing,

519
00:24:48,546 --> 00:24:50,866
Speaker 1: but your love for football is cool too because it

520
00:24:50,946 --> 00:24:53,266
Speaker 1: starts with your father, who was also your biggest supporter

521
00:24:53,386 --> 00:24:55,146
Speaker 1: in your quest to become a rock and roll star.

522
00:24:56,386 --> 00:24:58,226
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell the listeners your connection to football

523
00:24:58,266 --> 00:24:59,026
Speaker 1: growing up in Kansas?

524
00:24:59,306 --> 00:25:02,266
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, my father was. He he grew

525
00:25:02,346 --> 00:25:06,986
Speaker 2: up in Saint Louis, Missouri, and he he was very athletic.

526
00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:10,106
Speaker 2: He was actually a really good swimmer too. And his

527
00:25:11,026 --> 00:25:14,306
Speaker 2: high school that he went to, the coach. My father

528
00:25:14,426 --> 00:25:17,906
Speaker 2: came from a really trouble family, you know, seven kids,

529
00:25:17,986 --> 00:25:20,866
Speaker 2: The father was a horrible alcoholic from World War two,

530
00:25:21,106 --> 00:25:24,546
Speaker 2: you know, just really they migrant farmers. It was bad.

531
00:25:25,026 --> 00:25:28,146
Speaker 2: And this guy really helped him and said, look, you

532
00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:30,546
Speaker 2: can get a sports scholarship to college. And none of

533
00:25:30,586 --> 00:25:33,066
Speaker 2: his family had ever gone to college. And so he

534
00:25:34,546 --> 00:25:38,346
Speaker 2: went to college in Arkansas and got a teaching degree

535
00:25:38,866 --> 00:25:41,866
Speaker 2: to where he could be a coach. And he went

536
00:25:41,986 --> 00:25:44,866
Speaker 2: to and moved to Levenworth, Kansas because they needed a teacher.

537
00:25:44,946 --> 00:25:47,226
Speaker 2: We didn't know, he didn't know anybody there. And so

538
00:25:47,346 --> 00:25:49,826
Speaker 2: I was born there. And while he was there, the

539
00:25:50,306 --> 00:25:54,746
Speaker 2: Chiefs come to, you know, Kansas City in sixty four

540
00:25:55,506 --> 00:26:00,266
Speaker 2: and I'm three years old probably, and I have pictures

541
00:26:00,986 --> 00:26:04,106
Speaker 2: of my father and I watching the Chiefs on television.

542
00:26:04,146 --> 00:26:06,306
Speaker 2: Can't tell, it's just pictures. I was watching TV. But

543
00:26:06,626 --> 00:26:08,746
Speaker 2: I've got a red shirt on. I know what we're doing.

544
00:26:09,346 --> 00:26:13,226
Speaker 2: And he was so patient with me teaching me, and

545
00:26:13,306 --> 00:26:16,746
Speaker 2: I think that's something that that I really loved. He

546
00:26:17,026 --> 00:26:19,906
Speaker 2: taught me slowly about football and it's all about, you know.

547
00:26:19,986 --> 00:26:21,546
Speaker 2: And I remember as a kid watching and going, what

548
00:26:21,626 --> 00:26:23,546
Speaker 2: are they doing? Okay, why are they doing?

549
00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:23,706
Speaker 5: What?

550
00:26:24,266 --> 00:26:24,386
Speaker 6: Why?

551
00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:27,066
Speaker 2: What's that mean? And he would explain every single thing

552
00:26:27,186 --> 00:26:31,146
Speaker 2: to me. And once you get the formula in your head,

553
00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:33,786
Speaker 2: once you get the strategy and you know what they're

554
00:26:33,866 --> 00:26:36,986
Speaker 2: doing and watching it, it's so much fun to watch

555
00:26:37,026 --> 00:26:40,226
Speaker 2: and we would share it. I remember the nineteen seventies

556
00:26:40,426 --> 00:26:43,226
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, Lady Dawson, and you remember watching it, Oh,

557
00:26:43,466 --> 00:26:46,706
Speaker 2: one hundred percent watched it. Bobby Bell and Buck Buchannan

558
00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:50,826
Speaker 2: and Willie Lanier and just all these great and when

559
00:26:50,906 --> 00:26:54,306
Speaker 2: they won. I mean, Levinworth is forty five minutes from

560
00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:58,186
Speaker 2: Kansas City, and everybody just all the horns were honking everybody,

561
00:26:58,186 --> 00:26:59,906
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's happening in the world. And

562
00:26:59,906 --> 00:27:02,546
Speaker 2: once you have that experience as a child, forget it.

563
00:27:02,586 --> 00:27:03,066
Speaker 2: You're hooked.

564
00:27:03,106 --> 00:27:06,026
Speaker 1: And then you wait fifty years fifty years, but you do,

565
00:27:06,506 --> 00:27:08,106
Speaker 1: and there's so many heart breaks. I don't think people

566
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:10,386
Speaker 1: everyone talks about the Vikings fans and the Jets fans

567
00:27:10,426 --> 00:27:13,906
Speaker 1: about the Chiefs would go to the playoffs every year

568
00:27:13,906 --> 00:27:16,186
Speaker 1: as a one seed and have this amazing home atmosphere

569
00:27:16,186 --> 00:27:18,386
Speaker 1: and road and they would lose the game they know

570
00:27:18,586 --> 00:27:22,906
Speaker 1: they would always lose. And then to finally win, what

571
00:27:23,146 --> 00:27:23,626
Speaker 1: was that like?

572
00:27:25,066 --> 00:27:29,386
Speaker 2: H it's it. It is hard to explain, you know,

573
00:27:29,506 --> 00:27:32,066
Speaker 2: having gone through it. When when Andy Reid finally came,

574
00:27:32,146 --> 00:27:34,186
Speaker 2: that was you could feel kind of, oh wow, we've

575
00:27:34,346 --> 00:27:37,746
Speaker 2: just entered a level that we really haven't been on.

576
00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:41,826
Speaker 2: Joe Montana, sure we were there out there, you know, yeah,

577
00:27:42,226 --> 00:27:46,186
Speaker 2: three was there, but when Andy Reid came, it was like,

578
00:27:46,266 --> 00:27:49,826
Speaker 2: oh wow, and you could feel, you know, we still

579
00:27:49,906 --> 00:27:53,666
Speaker 2: lost that first year, but and then you know Alex Smith, Oh,

580
00:27:53,826 --> 00:27:56,906
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden there were games where finally

581
00:27:56,906 --> 00:27:59,226
Speaker 2: you'd see, you know, Alex Smith is quarterback, really try

582
00:27:59,346 --> 00:28:02,146
Speaker 2: that extra bit and go in there. And that's why

583
00:28:02,186 --> 00:28:04,306
Speaker 2: I wrote my first chief song, Alex Smith I Love You.

584
00:28:04,786 --> 00:28:06,426
Speaker 1: You came on the show Good Morning Football and two

585
00:28:06,426 --> 00:28:08,786
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen before Mahomes leaving on the Chiefs, and you

586
00:28:08,826 --> 00:28:09,986
Speaker 1: were like, I like the show, I'm gonna come on

587
00:28:10,186 --> 00:28:11,866
Speaker 1: and you wrote a song called Alex Smith, I Love You,

588
00:28:11,906 --> 00:28:13,666
Speaker 1: which to me is still my favorite moments on the show.

589
00:28:14,506 --> 00:28:18,386
Speaker 2: And so then when we get there and I actually

590
00:28:18,426 --> 00:28:22,746
Speaker 2: sang the anthem when we uh were playing, when Jason

591
00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:24,586
Speaker 2: was on that, Yeah, the Patriots.

592
00:28:24,226 --> 00:28:26,826
Speaker 1: The AFC Championship for D four, Yeah.

593
00:28:27,066 --> 00:28:30,626
Speaker 2: D Ford, and just the feeling and the whole feeling

594
00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:33,866
Speaker 2: in that stadium you've been there. Oh, and then to

595
00:28:33,986 --> 00:28:37,586
Speaker 2: have at tension just yes, and everybody doing that walk

596
00:28:37,706 --> 00:28:40,026
Speaker 2: to the parking lot afterwards.

597
00:28:40,106 --> 00:28:41,626
Speaker 1: I was in the building when they lost to Pittsburgh

598
00:28:41,626 --> 00:28:43,906
Speaker 1: in the playoffs that a couple of years earlier, after

599
00:28:44,066 --> 00:28:47,466
Speaker 1: like four different times of the goal line that game.

600
00:28:47,746 --> 00:28:49,826
Speaker 1: And then god, I was in there when they lost

601
00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:51,426
Speaker 1: to the Bengals in the AH champion a couple of

602
00:28:51,466 --> 00:28:54,746
Speaker 1: years ago. But I wasn't there when you guys beat

603
00:28:54,746 --> 00:28:57,026
Speaker 1: the Titans in the AFC Championship. Came and anyone who

604
00:28:57,106 --> 00:28:59,186
Speaker 1: was in that building was like you felt fifty years

605
00:28:59,626 --> 00:29:02,106
Speaker 1: forget the super Bowl just to get there again, and

606
00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:03,626
Speaker 1: the stress of it is just gone.

607
00:29:03,986 --> 00:29:04,186
Speaker 2: Yeah.

608
00:29:04,186 --> 00:29:05,746
Speaker 1: I remember, I think it was a Sammy Watkins deep

609
00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:09,066
Speaker 1: touchdown put the game away. It was and like generations,

610
00:29:09,106 --> 00:29:09,946
Speaker 1: the chief sentences.

611
00:29:09,826 --> 00:29:13,946
Speaker 2: C crying, crying because it brings back your father, it

612
00:29:14,026 --> 00:29:16,026
Speaker 2: brings back why we loved it. I mean, I still

613
00:29:16,066 --> 00:29:18,986
Speaker 2: get joked up because that that was really special, and

614
00:29:19,786 --> 00:29:23,586
Speaker 2: that first one where we went and I remember we won,

615
00:29:23,706 --> 00:29:26,266
Speaker 2: and after we won, I went, huh, this is what

616
00:29:26,386 --> 00:29:28,826
Speaker 2: it feels like, you know, and I just stood and

617
00:29:28,906 --> 00:29:30,586
Speaker 2: it was kind of oh. And the day went on.

618
00:29:30,706 --> 00:29:33,666
Speaker 2: I went, well, now that's over. Whow what a journey.

619
00:29:33,706 --> 00:29:35,266
Speaker 2: And then you just want to get back there every

620
00:29:35,306 --> 00:29:38,906
Speaker 2: time now and they and I it's such a pretty cool,

621
00:29:39,506 --> 00:29:42,946
Speaker 2: such a gift, and you know it happens every now

622
00:29:42,986 --> 00:29:45,346
Speaker 2: and then to a team, a different team, and and

623
00:29:45,746 --> 00:29:47,426
Speaker 2: some day it could be your team. I just you know,

624
00:29:47,866 --> 00:29:49,506
Speaker 2: it might be just great when it does.

625
00:29:49,786 --> 00:29:52,466
Speaker 1: What what's your viewing situations? You go to some games

626
00:29:52,466 --> 00:29:54,586
Speaker 1: to perform, but I feel like knowing you you're a

627
00:29:54,746 --> 00:30:00,466
Speaker 1: couch and right you watch the game.

628
00:30:00,986 --> 00:30:03,106
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh, no, no, I watch it. No, I'm

629
00:30:03,666 --> 00:30:07,866
Speaker 2: I watched every game. I'm a red Zone junkie. You

630
00:30:07,946 --> 00:30:10,906
Speaker 2: know how six hours can go by and you know

631
00:30:11,466 --> 00:30:16,066
Speaker 2: the whole and and uh no, I I like to

632
00:30:16,186 --> 00:30:19,546
Speaker 2: go to the games, but when it comes to like

633
00:30:19,626 --> 00:30:22,266
Speaker 2: the really important games of playoffs and like the Super Bowl,

634
00:30:22,386 --> 00:30:23,626
Speaker 2: it's like, no, no, I have to watch it at

635
00:30:23,626 --> 00:30:23,906
Speaker 2: my house.

636
00:30:23,946 --> 00:30:24,506
Speaker 6: I have that right.

637
00:30:24,546 --> 00:30:25,706
Speaker 1: You haven't been in the building for either one of

638
00:30:25,706 --> 00:30:26,346
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl wins?

639
00:30:26,466 --> 00:30:28,746
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I haven't. I've been at home.

640
00:30:29,026 --> 00:30:32,386
Speaker 1: Interesting, I know. It's it's I've been on the field

641
00:30:32,426 --> 00:30:33,906
Speaker 1: for both the Super womins because they're both on Fox,

642
00:30:33,906 --> 00:30:36,266
Speaker 1: and I was doing postgame and it's that same feeling

643
00:30:36,346 --> 00:30:38,106
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs fan I was just talking about of

644
00:30:38,226 --> 00:30:40,546
Speaker 1: this generation of Generation Van. It's like, yeah, that is

645
00:30:40,626 --> 00:30:41,666
Speaker 1: a real fan base.

646
00:30:41,946 --> 00:30:44,146
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's for real. It's so. I mean I

647
00:30:44,226 --> 00:30:47,386
Speaker 2: can walk around and I do often in my Chiefs regalia,

648
00:30:48,026 --> 00:30:50,586
Speaker 2: and I you know, I walk through airports, I'm in

649
00:30:50,626 --> 00:30:53,946
Speaker 2: every city. I'm in countries where people walk up and go, oh,

650
00:30:54,306 --> 00:30:56,746
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, you know. And before I mean now it's

651
00:30:56,866 --> 00:30:59,906
Speaker 2: like we're like I said, yeah, but back then, before

652
00:30:59,946 --> 00:31:03,426
Speaker 2: people really knew it's it's a it's a language. You're

653
00:31:03,786 --> 00:31:05,826
Speaker 2: instantly you know, friends is there.

654
00:31:06,186 --> 00:31:08,146
Speaker 1: You're an individual act when you go out there on

655
00:31:08,226 --> 00:31:10,146
Speaker 1: the stage and then you see this team sport. Is

656
00:31:10,226 --> 00:31:13,746
Speaker 1: there some sort of parallel to you know, the art

657
00:31:13,786 --> 00:31:14,746
Speaker 1: of football and the art.

658
00:31:14,626 --> 00:31:17,906
Speaker 2: Of Oh yeah, no, no, it's And I can do

659
00:31:18,146 --> 00:31:20,866
Speaker 2: my show solo, yeah I can, but I prefer to

660
00:31:20,986 --> 00:31:23,546
Speaker 2: do it with a group. And then not only do

661
00:31:23,746 --> 00:31:27,266
Speaker 2: I have those musicians on stage, but all the technicians behind.

662
00:31:27,866 --> 00:31:33,106
Speaker 2: And it takes that We're about a twelve person you

663
00:31:33,186 --> 00:31:37,346
Speaker 2: know unit as we travel around the world. But man,

664
00:31:37,426 --> 00:31:40,986
Speaker 2: those twelve people, they know exactly what to do. And

665
00:31:41,346 --> 00:31:43,946
Speaker 2: sometimes it's funny. I've had a conversation with my wife

666
00:31:43,946 --> 00:31:46,506
Speaker 2: where I say, god, I feel like Patrick Mahomes, I

667
00:31:46,546 --> 00:31:49,266
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, like there was there's there's a time

668
00:31:49,386 --> 00:31:52,546
Speaker 2: when like something can be going so well. The audience

669
00:31:52,626 --> 00:31:55,466
Speaker 2: is crazy. Let's say it's like forty thousand people that

670
00:31:55,706 --> 00:31:58,986
Speaker 2: you know, some outdoor, big, crazy thing, and I just

671
00:31:59,306 --> 00:32:03,506
Speaker 2: I can look, I actually I have my Kelsey, I look,

672
00:32:03,586 --> 00:32:06,626
Speaker 2: I've looked at my drummer like this and he knows, okay,

673
00:32:06,666 --> 00:32:09,026
Speaker 2: we're not going It's like they know you don't even

674
00:32:09,106 --> 00:32:11,226
Speaker 2: have to say what it is. It's just a look

675
00:32:11,266 --> 00:32:12,706
Speaker 2: and everyone goes, Okay, I know what we're going to do,

676
00:32:12,786 --> 00:32:15,586
Speaker 2: and boom, it's really fun and I felt I felt

677
00:32:15,666 --> 00:32:15,826
Speaker 2: like that.

678
00:32:16,706 --> 00:32:18,706
Speaker 1: So I loved the show. But I was a part

679
00:32:18,746 --> 00:32:20,426
Speaker 1: of the show getting to know your story even more.

680
00:32:20,626 --> 00:32:24,066
Speaker 1: And there's been about with cancer, there's been tragedy in

681
00:32:24,426 --> 00:32:26,546
Speaker 1: your life, but I want to talk about like the Rise,

682
00:32:26,586 --> 00:32:28,146
Speaker 1: because I think that's such a cool story for somebody.

683
00:32:28,146 --> 00:32:31,666
Speaker 1: People were like, you moved to LA. You have a

684
00:32:31,706 --> 00:32:33,466
Speaker 1: family member from my mistaken and who's out there?

685
00:32:33,546 --> 00:32:34,866
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was my aunt, your aunt.

686
00:32:34,946 --> 00:32:37,266
Speaker 1: You moved to LA not knowing anybody, and you didn't

687
00:32:37,386 --> 00:32:39,186
Speaker 1: just this wasn't I take the greyhound to LA and

688
00:32:39,226 --> 00:32:42,186
Speaker 1: I hit it. You struggled for a while yet in La.

689
00:32:42,386 --> 00:32:44,186
Speaker 1: And one of the stories is you end up at

690
00:32:44,226 --> 00:32:48,186
Speaker 1: a lesbian bar as the in house entertainment and it

691
00:32:48,226 --> 00:32:51,426
Speaker 1: becomes a sensation and like the underground of La and

692
00:32:51,666 --> 00:32:53,466
Speaker 1: that kick starts your career. And that's when the A

693
00:32:53,586 --> 00:32:54,866
Speaker 1: and R Record first seats it. But this is in

694
00:32:54,906 --> 00:32:57,026
Speaker 1: the eighties. This isn't in twenty twenty oh.

695
00:32:57,866 --> 00:33:00,066
Speaker 2: This is the eighties. This is and it did. It

696
00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:03,386
Speaker 2: took five years and my manager at the time. He

697
00:33:03,466 --> 00:33:07,186
Speaker 2: and I made a choice because I was making a living.

698
00:33:07,266 --> 00:33:09,426
Speaker 2: I was actually getting paid to play five nights a

699
00:33:09,466 --> 00:33:13,506
Speaker 2: week and musicians don't have that in La and I

700
00:33:13,626 --> 00:33:17,426
Speaker 2: had made this, you know spot for me to play

701
00:33:17,506 --> 00:33:19,666
Speaker 2: and make money. What was the bar called, well, there

702
00:33:19,706 --> 00:33:23,066
Speaker 2: were One was called actually played in two separate well

703
00:33:23,466 --> 00:33:27,066
Speaker 2: three but two really. One was called Vermes, which is weird,

704
00:33:27,786 --> 00:33:31,546
Speaker 2: but and the other one was called Kraa And that's

705
00:33:31,706 --> 00:33:34,586
Speaker 2: actually it started as a it's in Long Beach and

706
00:33:34,666 --> 00:33:37,986
Speaker 2: it started as a you know, ladies women's club, lesbian bar.

707
00:33:38,746 --> 00:33:41,186
Speaker 2: They I said, look, let me set up in the corner.

708
00:33:41,586 --> 00:33:43,946
Speaker 2: They didn't have a light. After like the first year,

709
00:33:43,986 --> 00:33:46,426
Speaker 2: they said, we'll get you a spotlight. I'm like, hey, great,

710
00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:49,626
Speaker 2: you know, but I sat up in the corner and

711
00:33:49,746 --> 00:33:53,866
Speaker 2: I would play. And now that bar is not a

712
00:33:53,946 --> 00:33:58,946
Speaker 2: lesbian bar anymore. It's a live music and my my

713
00:33:59,066 --> 00:34:01,866
Speaker 2: gold records in the corner. And yeah, it's really I'm

714
00:34:01,906 --> 00:34:02,506
Speaker 2: really proud of that.

715
00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:04,626
Speaker 1: That's so cool. And then the record guys, and you

716
00:34:04,666 --> 00:34:06,226
Speaker 1: had a couple of records before you hit though.

717
00:34:06,706 --> 00:34:09,586
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my first record, you know, if you

718
00:34:10,226 --> 00:34:11,986
Speaker 2: bring me some water, like the way I do. Those

719
00:34:12,066 --> 00:34:16,786
Speaker 2: songs are are classics in the kind of the rock world.

720
00:34:16,906 --> 00:34:19,266
Speaker 2: But it wasn't until it wasn't until my fourth album

721
00:34:19,346 --> 00:34:22,386
Speaker 2: that I got like a big mainstream hit. Yeah. The

722
00:34:22,506 --> 00:34:24,666
Speaker 2: first big hit was what Was Coming to My What

723
00:34:24,786 --> 00:34:26,906
Speaker 2: Was Coming to My Window? Okay, and then I'm the

724
00:34:26,946 --> 00:34:27,346
Speaker 2: Only One?

725
00:34:27,386 --> 00:34:28,786
Speaker 1: And so yeah, both those hits back to back and

726
00:34:28,826 --> 00:34:31,026
Speaker 1: you end up on the cover of the Rolling Stone. Yeah. Yeah,

727
00:34:31,106 --> 00:34:34,346
Speaker 1: you're doing everything on MTV, your fame rises. Are you

728
00:34:34,426 --> 00:34:35,706
Speaker 1: comfortable with that level of fame?

729
00:34:38,106 --> 00:34:38,266
Speaker 4: You know?

730
00:34:38,346 --> 00:34:40,306
Speaker 2: What's interesting and I know you have I have. Some

731
00:34:40,426 --> 00:34:42,826
Speaker 2: of this is is it is hard to tell how

732
00:34:42,866 --> 00:34:47,146
Speaker 2: famous you are in the world because your own skin,

733
00:34:47,306 --> 00:34:50,146
Speaker 2: you're in your own skin, and you don't you can't

734
00:34:50,586 --> 00:34:54,626
Speaker 2: you separate yourself from it. And at the time there

735
00:34:54,706 --> 00:34:57,626
Speaker 2: was no social media, so you couldn't. You had to

736
00:34:57,746 --> 00:34:58,946
Speaker 2: kind of judge it by.

737
00:34:59,226 --> 00:35:02,266
Speaker 1: As a kid in that era and not dating youore me,

738
00:35:02,426 --> 00:35:04,706
Speaker 1: but I was that was like peak MTV, peak v

739
00:35:04,946 --> 00:35:07,026
Speaker 1: H one, and you're video was on.

740
00:35:07,546 --> 00:35:09,266
Speaker 2: You couldn't get away from every hour.

741
00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:11,626
Speaker 1: And so like What's efford was part of it was

742
00:35:11,706 --> 00:35:14,146
Speaker 1: Arrested Development, it was Ethridge, it was Twooty in the

743
00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:14,986
Speaker 1: Blowfish like it was.

744
00:35:15,026 --> 00:35:16,466
Speaker 2: The late nineties music back then.

745
00:35:16,546 --> 00:35:20,186
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And for someone who had been hacking away

746
00:35:20,226 --> 00:35:21,826
Speaker 1: at this for a while, I can imagine like I

747
00:35:21,906 --> 00:35:22,146
Speaker 1: did it.

748
00:35:22,546 --> 00:35:25,146
Speaker 2: Yeah, you there's a sense of, oh, well, there it is.

749
00:35:25,226 --> 00:35:28,706
Speaker 2: There's my top ten album, there's now I'm a hit

750
00:35:28,826 --> 00:35:31,186
Speaker 2: now and there's more people coming and I am I'm

751
00:35:31,186 --> 00:35:35,586
Speaker 2: playing arenas and you know, and personally I wasn't happy,

752
00:35:35,746 --> 00:35:39,386
Speaker 2: So that sort of I mean, you do know it.

753
00:35:40,066 --> 00:35:43,506
Speaker 2: But again it's it's not even there's no you can't

754
00:35:43,546 --> 00:35:45,386
Speaker 2: stop and go hey, you know, I did it. There

755
00:35:45,386 --> 00:35:48,106
Speaker 2: I am. There's no stopping. You want more of it,

756
00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,026
Speaker 2: you want to stay there, you want to you know,

757
00:35:50,226 --> 00:35:54,066
Speaker 2: keep going. So it's a weird, funny trap the fame

758
00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:55,746
Speaker 2: thing is, And it wasn't until I just let it

759
00:35:55,786 --> 00:35:56,866
Speaker 2: all go and go Now I'm just going to do

760
00:35:56,906 --> 00:35:59,906
Speaker 2: what I love and whoever wants to you know, enjoy it,

761
00:36:00,026 --> 00:36:00,746
Speaker 2: you know, enjoy it.

762
00:36:00,946 --> 00:36:04,066
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm imagining that the international stuff that you

763
00:36:04,106 --> 00:36:05,306
Speaker 1: talk about in the show, a bunch of all of

764
00:36:05,306 --> 00:36:07,506
Speaker 1: a sudden you're in these countries and they know your

765
00:36:07,546 --> 00:36:10,586
Speaker 1: songs by heart. Yeah, it's a lot of travel, it's

766
00:36:10,626 --> 00:36:13,826
Speaker 1: a lot away from home. Yeah, and of course you

767
00:36:13,906 --> 00:36:15,506
Speaker 1: put it all together and you have this amazing career

768
00:36:15,546 --> 00:36:19,106
Speaker 1: and then you're honored in all these different ways than

769
00:36:19,146 --> 00:36:21,626
Speaker 1: the two thousands. How do you take it from that? Oh?

770
00:36:21,706 --> 00:36:22,066
Speaker 1: My god.

771
00:36:22,626 --> 00:36:25,786
Speaker 2: Well, the shock in the music industry from the nineties

772
00:36:25,826 --> 00:36:31,066
Speaker 2: to the two thousands was unbelievable, and it grew once

773
00:36:31,466 --> 00:36:35,826
Speaker 2: CDs came in and record companies started making ridiculous money

774
00:36:36,386 --> 00:36:36,786
Speaker 2: for listener.

775
00:36:37,026 --> 00:36:39,266
Speaker 1: It was twenty dollars for a CD. Back then.

776
00:36:39,586 --> 00:36:42,026
Speaker 2: They didn't think anyone would buy them because they sounded

777
00:36:42,106 --> 00:36:44,546
Speaker 2: so horrible. They were like, oh, and they just said, well,

778
00:36:44,586 --> 00:36:47,426
Speaker 2: we'll just you know, twenty bucks a CD, okay, And

779
00:36:47,546 --> 00:36:49,786
Speaker 2: all of a sudden everyone was buying them and they

780
00:36:49,826 --> 00:36:53,986
Speaker 2: were making money hand over fist. My record the guy's

781
00:36:54,186 --> 00:36:56,706
Speaker 2: My record company, Island Records, was founded by Chris Blackwell.

782
00:36:56,746 --> 00:36:59,866
Speaker 2: He was just a genius. He brought Bob Marley to

783
00:36:59,986 --> 00:37:02,266
Speaker 2: the world and you two, and he was just kind

784
00:37:02,306 --> 00:37:05,786
Speaker 2: of this genius music guy. And so in the nineties

785
00:37:05,866 --> 00:37:09,466
Speaker 2: then he sells his company for hundreds and millions of dollars, right,

786
00:37:09,826 --> 00:37:12,306
Speaker 2: and so now at the end of the nineties, I'm

787
00:37:12,346 --> 00:37:15,386
Speaker 2: part of a big conglomeration. The record the building is

788
00:37:15,426 --> 00:37:17,226
Speaker 2: as big as this that I go into instead of

789
00:37:17,266 --> 00:37:20,906
Speaker 2: this little thing I used to well in ninety five,

790
00:37:21,186 --> 00:37:23,306
Speaker 2: you know the height of that, Yeah, that was it.

791
00:37:24,146 --> 00:37:29,906
Speaker 2: By two thousand and five, empty empty, nobody's a sharing music.

792
00:37:30,226 --> 00:37:30,906
Speaker 7: It's over.

793
00:37:31,706 --> 00:37:31,946
Speaker 1: And the.

794
00:37:33,506 --> 00:37:38,346
Speaker 2: Sales and everything just plummeted, and I realized, wow, I'm

795
00:37:38,386 --> 00:37:42,826
Speaker 2: on my own. There's no yeah, no, no infrastructure anymore

796
00:37:42,866 --> 00:37:46,306
Speaker 2: to really you know, the radio stations had narrowed themselves

797
00:37:46,346 --> 00:37:50,346
Speaker 2: down to jack FM. Yeah yeah, exactly fifteen year olds

798
00:37:50,386 --> 00:37:53,466
Speaker 2: and you were here or not. And you know, I

799
00:37:53,586 --> 00:37:55,746
Speaker 2: get my songs played on you know, nineties radio and

800
00:37:55,786 --> 00:37:58,186
Speaker 2: stuff like that now. But man, it was there was

801
00:37:58,306 --> 00:38:00,186
Speaker 2: just no room for art.

802
00:38:00,226 --> 00:38:03,186
Speaker 1: And yet there's this touring culture and you have your

803
00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:06,426
Speaker 1: fan base, and I have to imagine that stuff never.

804
00:38:06,666 --> 00:38:08,826
Speaker 2: No, that doesn't go away. And I learned very fast.

805
00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:11,386
Speaker 2: I could see that if you were an artist and

806
00:38:11,506 --> 00:38:16,146
Speaker 2: you didn't write your stuff, and you were not a

807
00:38:16,306 --> 00:38:18,546
Speaker 2: live performer, you were, you know, just a kind of

808
00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:20,386
Speaker 2: a tract sort of person. You were not going to

809
00:38:20,426 --> 00:38:23,146
Speaker 2: make any money. You are, You're going to have money

810
00:38:23,226 --> 00:38:25,506
Speaker 2: for a year or two, and then you're not. And

811
00:38:25,666 --> 00:38:28,586
Speaker 2: you see all these people going bankrupt because of that. Fortunately,

812
00:38:28,786 --> 00:38:31,386
Speaker 2: I write my own stuff, so I could that's part

813
00:38:31,426 --> 00:38:34,706
Speaker 2: of an income. And then I was dedicated because I

814
00:38:34,906 --> 00:38:38,186
Speaker 2: love it to performing, to going out there. Every year

815
00:38:38,346 --> 00:38:40,826
Speaker 2: you go, I go over to Europe, I go to Australia,

816
00:38:40,906 --> 00:38:43,586
Speaker 2: you keep going back that people keep coming. You do

817
00:38:43,746 --> 00:38:46,986
Speaker 2: a show that they like, so they come and you

818
00:38:47,186 --> 00:38:48,946
Speaker 2: can do all the hits so that you know, you

819
00:38:49,186 --> 00:38:51,946
Speaker 2: play the songs that they love, and you just it's

820
00:38:52,186 --> 00:38:55,586
Speaker 2: that's my bread and butter. That's that goes to me,

821
00:38:55,786 --> 00:38:58,426
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, you know, and and it's that's

822
00:38:58,546 --> 00:38:59,346
Speaker 2: that's what I do now.

823
00:38:59,506 --> 00:39:01,146
Speaker 1: Yeah, Who are the who are the acts that you

824
00:39:01,186 --> 00:39:03,426
Speaker 1: looked at as peers in the nineties when you were performing,

825
00:39:03,466 --> 00:39:06,626
Speaker 1: and I know there was obviously this amazing movement of

826
00:39:06,986 --> 00:39:09,706
Speaker 1: women musicians and of course this different voice, and so

827
00:39:09,786 --> 00:39:12,266
Speaker 1: lillath Fair there was all Who were your crew? Who

828
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:13,466
Speaker 1: are the people that you rolled with? And who is

829
00:39:13,506 --> 00:39:14,666
Speaker 1: kind of people that you looked at and said, hey,

830
00:39:14,706 --> 00:39:16,986
Speaker 1: I see I I with this person, whether it be man, woman, whoever.

831
00:39:17,226 --> 00:39:17,666
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

832
00:39:18,466 --> 00:39:22,546
Speaker 2: Well Springsteen was a real help and a real please.

833
00:39:23,146 --> 00:39:25,986
Speaker 1: That's amazing. It's a freehome New Jersey. I'm from, so

834
00:39:26,106 --> 00:39:26,426
Speaker 1: he is.

835
00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:30,346
Speaker 2: And he he kind of for for a couple of

836
00:39:30,386 --> 00:39:31,706
Speaker 2: years that kind of took me under his wing, and

837
00:39:32,786 --> 00:39:36,506
Speaker 2: that was ninety Yeah, I was right on Tunnel ninety

838
00:39:37,306 --> 00:39:39,426
Speaker 2: two to about ninety nine.

839
00:39:39,466 --> 00:39:41,066
Speaker 1: So he wasn't with the East Street Man at the time.

840
00:39:41,186 --> 00:39:44,866
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. Yeah, and so we and and so

841
00:39:45,266 --> 00:39:47,786
Speaker 2: you know, we he helped a lot. We did a

842
00:39:48,626 --> 00:39:52,626
Speaker 2: certainly certainly you've seen the Unplugged I did with him. Okay, good,

843
00:39:52,666 --> 00:39:55,146
Speaker 2: I was like please, yes, and you know, and so

844
00:39:55,946 --> 00:40:00,306
Speaker 2: that he really, he really was helpful in letting me know, look,

845
00:40:00,386 --> 00:40:03,546
Speaker 2: you you know, you want to hit every now and then,

846
00:40:03,586 --> 00:40:05,346
Speaker 2: but you don't want to have too many. You want

847
00:40:05,466 --> 00:40:07,346
Speaker 2: to be known as a two artists. And he's the

848
00:40:07,386 --> 00:40:09,586
Speaker 2: one who told me go back to Europe over and over.

849
00:40:09,626 --> 00:40:12,706
Speaker 2: They'll keep coming out for you. And he knows that,

850
00:40:12,866 --> 00:40:15,626
Speaker 2: and so I've just sort of followed that. But there,

851
00:40:15,706 --> 00:40:18,306
Speaker 2: you know, there was a ton of artists in the

852
00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:22,786
Speaker 2: nineties that you know, Cheryl Crow and you know, we

853
00:40:22,906 --> 00:40:25,146
Speaker 2: all kind of were in the same boat together and

854
00:40:25,226 --> 00:40:25,786
Speaker 2: Lannis Morris.

855
00:40:26,106 --> 00:40:28,426
Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl Crow was inducted into the Rock and

856
00:40:28,546 --> 00:40:30,986
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame. We saw Dolly Parton at halftime.

857
00:40:31,026 --> 00:40:32,706
Speaker 1: There is that something you would care about the rock

858
00:40:32,706 --> 00:40:34,226
Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame. I know, we laughed as

859
00:40:34,226 --> 00:40:35,026
Speaker 1: we were talking off camera.

860
00:40:35,146 --> 00:40:37,546
Speaker 2: Right now, do I care about it even a thing?

861
00:40:37,986 --> 00:40:38,306
Speaker 1: Or is it?

862
00:40:38,546 --> 00:40:41,466
Speaker 2: You know, I can't help, but it kind of is.

863
00:40:41,786 --> 00:40:43,746
Speaker 2: It's not asking a football player. Is that a thing?

864
00:40:43,866 --> 00:40:45,186
Speaker 2: It was the Hall of Fame. Yeah, it's a thing.

865
00:40:45,226 --> 00:40:47,786
Speaker 2: You would love to be part of that, and you

866
00:40:47,826 --> 00:40:51,186
Speaker 2: would hope that your music would would stand a testa

867
00:40:51,306 --> 00:40:56,426
Speaker 2: time and be thought of as as you know, contributing

868
00:40:56,546 --> 00:40:59,186
Speaker 2: something to the whole world of rock and roll. And

869
00:40:59,786 --> 00:41:02,346
Speaker 2: and I hope to someday be able to celebrate with

870
00:41:02,466 --> 00:41:04,306
Speaker 2: my family and do that. But I'm not going to

871
00:41:04,346 --> 00:41:05,386
Speaker 2: get all twisted up about it.

872
00:41:05,626 --> 00:41:08,826
Speaker 1: You also have a second memoir that is out and

873
00:41:08,906 --> 00:41:11,706
Speaker 1: I think I haven't read it yet. I will, and

874
00:41:11,826 --> 00:41:14,586
Speaker 1: it's a little deeper than just music in the past

875
00:41:14,626 --> 00:41:16,586
Speaker 1: of fame. Why don't you share with the listeners what

876
00:41:16,746 --> 00:41:18,986
Speaker 1: your heart and passionates really circled around?

877
00:41:19,026 --> 00:41:24,466
Speaker 2: Now, well, yeah, it's my life has Oh, I've just

878
00:41:24,546 --> 00:41:26,506
Speaker 2: had the most interesting life, I really have, and I'm

879
00:41:26,546 --> 00:41:29,226
Speaker 2: so grateful for my life. But one of the journeys

880
00:41:29,226 --> 00:41:34,626
Speaker 2: I've had is actually with plant medicine, you know, psychedelics

881
00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:39,066
Speaker 2: as medicine. When I went through cancer twenty years ago.

882
00:41:39,866 --> 00:41:43,986
Speaker 2: It played a big part in healing and kind of

883
00:41:44,706 --> 00:41:49,866
Speaker 2: setting me to understand how important my own feeling is

884
00:41:49,906 --> 00:41:54,666
Speaker 2: about myself, you know, my health, my you know choices

885
00:41:54,706 --> 00:41:58,946
Speaker 2: I make. And the psychedelics part was was was a

886
00:41:58,986 --> 00:42:02,786
Speaker 2: big part. And and in the book I talk about that,

887
00:42:02,906 --> 00:42:05,266
Speaker 2: I talk about I mean, the first time wasn't actually

888
00:42:05,426 --> 00:42:08,946
Speaker 2: an accidental overdose of cannabis. I call it my heroic

889
00:42:09,026 --> 00:42:11,626
Speaker 2: dose of cannabis that I went way far out on.

890
00:42:12,506 --> 00:42:14,786
Speaker 2: But it really opened my mind to a lot of stuff.

891
00:42:14,986 --> 00:42:20,546
Speaker 2: And I'm a big supporter. And unfortunately, about three years

892
00:42:20,586 --> 00:42:24,146
Speaker 2: ago I lost my son, my oldest son. He was

893
00:42:24,186 --> 00:42:29,066
Speaker 2: twenty one, to an opioid addiction and he had he

894
00:42:29,186 --> 00:42:32,466
Speaker 2: had gotten addicted through pain killers. He was a snowboarder

895
00:42:32,466 --> 00:42:35,386
Speaker 2: and had a really bad accident and in his foot

896
00:42:36,266 --> 00:42:39,346
Speaker 2: and so he went down that road and it was

897
00:42:39,546 --> 00:42:42,066
Speaker 2: very hard to see him. And I had wished that

898
00:42:42,146 --> 00:42:46,146
Speaker 2: there was some alternative, you know, to help him, and

899
00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:51,066
Speaker 2: so we have formed after he passed, reformed the Ethridge Foundation,

900
00:42:51,586 --> 00:42:57,106
Speaker 2: which is a leader in raising money to study to

901
00:42:57,346 --> 00:43:00,666
Speaker 2: get the data because you know, the government says, well,

902
00:43:01,226 --> 00:43:03,826
Speaker 2: you know, we can't deschedule these things because there's no data.

903
00:43:03,946 --> 00:43:07,146
Speaker 2: Well you can't get data because their schedule. Yeah, So

904
00:43:07,466 --> 00:43:10,306
Speaker 2: so we we go to foreign countries and we go

905
00:43:10,466 --> 00:43:12,986
Speaker 2: all over and in America when we can to do

906
00:43:13,706 --> 00:43:19,266
Speaker 2: to fund studies for specifically for these psychedelics, these plant

907
00:43:19,346 --> 00:43:23,466
Speaker 2: medicines and how they can help with opioid EUSt disorder

908
00:43:23,746 --> 00:43:26,266
Speaker 2: and you know, pain and all kinds of things.

909
00:43:26,426 --> 00:43:30,146
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful show and that portional show. It's difficult.

910
00:43:30,186 --> 00:43:31,946
Speaker 1: It is for the listener and for the viewer to

911
00:43:32,546 --> 00:43:34,186
Speaker 1: watch it. You bearing your soul. It has to be

912
00:43:34,266 --> 00:43:36,946
Speaker 1: therapeutic to be able to m kind of perform and yeah,

913
00:43:37,466 --> 00:43:39,226
Speaker 1: share it with people and get it off your chest.

914
00:43:39,306 --> 00:43:41,146
Speaker 2: Yeah, every night, over and over. I mean you you

915
00:43:41,266 --> 00:43:43,426
Speaker 2: came the first night, the opening night, and it was

916
00:43:44,226 --> 00:43:48,786
Speaker 2: really intense to speak about it. But then I got

917
00:43:48,826 --> 00:43:51,106
Speaker 2: back the next night and did it, and the next night,

918
00:43:51,306 --> 00:43:54,626
Speaker 2: and by my last couple of weeks, I was like, oh,

919
00:43:54,786 --> 00:43:57,546
Speaker 2: I have found a way to organize this in my mind,

920
00:43:58,666 --> 00:44:03,586
Speaker 2: which that that that feels good, that feels like okay, yeah,

921
00:44:03,586 --> 00:44:05,226
Speaker 2: I'm going to be okay. I do believe this. I

922
00:44:05,266 --> 00:44:07,426
Speaker 2: do believe that my son would want me to be

923
00:44:07,506 --> 00:44:10,466
Speaker 2: happy and not struggle with any kind of guilt about

924
00:44:10,746 --> 00:44:12,906
Speaker 2: this is something I didn't do or or did too

925
00:44:12,986 --> 00:44:15,186
Speaker 2: much or whatever with him that he would want me

926
00:44:15,266 --> 00:44:18,986
Speaker 2: to happy. He's out of pain. Now he's gone, you know, physically,

927
00:44:19,106 --> 00:44:20,946
Speaker 2: but he's there and not you know. And and the

928
00:44:21,026 --> 00:44:26,586
Speaker 2: spirituality that I have it really supports me in choosing

929
00:44:26,906 --> 00:44:30,746
Speaker 2: not to you know, close off and make myself sick

930
00:44:30,866 --> 00:44:34,546
Speaker 2: because I lost my son. And I tell you, by

931
00:44:34,586 --> 00:44:36,586
Speaker 2: the last night, I was like, yeah, I got this.

932
00:44:37,186 --> 00:44:38,866
Speaker 2: It really it was very healing.

933
00:44:39,066 --> 00:44:42,386
Speaker 1: What an amazing opportunity you can even do that. What's next?

934
00:44:42,426 --> 00:44:42,986
Speaker 1: What do you want to do?

935
00:44:43,666 --> 00:44:44,706
Speaker 2: I just want to go on the road and just

936
00:44:44,746 --> 00:44:45,906
Speaker 2: play my I was.

937
00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:47,426
Speaker 1: You could do one or the other. You could say,

938
00:44:47,426 --> 00:44:48,466
Speaker 1: I want to go on the road and playing songs,

939
00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:49,906
Speaker 1: or I want to go hibernate for the next six

940
00:44:49,986 --> 00:44:50,946
Speaker 1: months and not be seen.

941
00:44:50,786 --> 00:44:52,826
Speaker 2: And just be going to watch football for the next

942
00:44:53,266 --> 00:44:53,786
Speaker 2: three months.

943
00:44:53,866 --> 00:44:56,146
Speaker 1: Figure Chiefs needed you to be watching football aast few months.

944
00:44:56,906 --> 00:44:57,986
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the only thing missing.

945
00:44:58,666 --> 00:44:59,906
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I missed the Broncos.

946
00:44:59,906 --> 00:45:01,786
Speaker 1: I'm going to say the Broncos game wasn't the only one.

947
00:45:01,826 --> 00:45:03,266
Speaker 1: I was at the Jets game, and I'm wondering if

948
00:45:03,306 --> 00:45:04,666
Speaker 1: it's the same one.

949
00:45:04,826 --> 00:45:07,946
Speaker 2: But I'm like, going, But doesn't it seem like that

950
00:45:08,106 --> 00:45:10,666
Speaker 2: they were trying to just see what key fit and

951
00:45:10,706 --> 00:45:13,626
Speaker 2: they would not give anybody. I don't know enough time, yes,

952
00:45:13,986 --> 00:45:15,786
Speaker 2: until I had to do this.

953
00:45:16,026 --> 00:45:18,026
Speaker 1: We're recording this. The Raiders game just happened. They were

954
00:45:18,026 --> 00:45:19,706
Speaker 1: down fourteen nothing and they went there and we just

955
00:45:19,826 --> 00:45:22,266
Speaker 1: talked about on the show. I don't get the feeling

956
00:45:22,346 --> 00:45:23,546
Speaker 1: that they're suddenly fixed.

957
00:45:23,866 --> 00:45:25,266
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, nothing.

958
00:45:26,306 --> 00:45:28,026
Speaker 1: This isn't the team that was beating the Titans and

959
00:45:28,066 --> 00:45:28,986
Speaker 1: the Texans in the playoffs.

960
00:45:29,666 --> 00:45:32,346
Speaker 2: That was with that Tyreek killing and he was he

961
00:45:32,466 --> 00:45:35,986
Speaker 2: was obviously a big part of Patrick Mahomes's you know,

962
00:45:36,106 --> 00:45:39,026
Speaker 2: and and they when you had Tyreek and Travis, well

963
00:45:39,106 --> 00:45:41,306
Speaker 2: you can't double team both of them, so you know,

964
00:45:41,386 --> 00:45:45,226
Speaker 2: you always had that kind of thing going on. So Okay,

965
00:45:45,306 --> 00:45:47,826
Speaker 2: he doesn't have that, but we still have Travis and

966
00:45:48,306 --> 00:45:51,746
Speaker 2: Rushie Rice. I think he's up there in the top.

967
00:45:52,066 --> 00:45:54,186
Speaker 1: All the numbers and he leaves the wide receivers for them.

968
00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:57,266
Speaker 2: And then it's just that that was just it's just

969
00:45:58,186 --> 00:45:59,986
Speaker 2: throwing it to him over and over and over, getting

970
00:46:00,026 --> 00:46:01,946
Speaker 2: him confident, getting I love talking.

971
00:46:03,746 --> 00:46:06,226
Speaker 1: Defense has actually been carrying the offense the defense.

972
00:46:06,426 --> 00:46:09,186
Speaker 2: See that's the difference. I mean, we'd play games like

973
00:46:09,546 --> 00:46:11,266
Speaker 2: I went to the game in Oh my God, do

974
00:46:11,306 --> 00:46:15,186
Speaker 2: you remember Jesus on the Wall five years ago? The

975
00:46:15,346 --> 00:46:17,306
Speaker 2: Rams back in the college.

976
00:46:17,066 --> 00:46:20,066
Speaker 1: Monday night game? Yes, and had to change it because

977
00:46:20,106 --> 00:46:21,946
Speaker 1: of the fires, so they put it Monday night and

978
00:46:22,266 --> 00:46:23,826
Speaker 1: it was fifty five to fifty one.

979
00:46:23,906 --> 00:46:26,466
Speaker 2: I was at that game. It was the most electrifying,

980
00:46:26,746 --> 00:46:30,226
Speaker 2: awesome game. Frustrating because my defense couldn't stop them, and

981
00:46:30,386 --> 00:46:32,946
Speaker 2: now my defense can when it comes down to that

982
00:46:32,986 --> 00:46:34,946
Speaker 2: part of the game and you're like, oh my god,

983
00:46:34,986 --> 00:46:37,586
Speaker 2: if we just hold him for this, I believe that

984
00:46:37,706 --> 00:46:40,826
Speaker 2: they can. And that's that's different to a Chiefs fan

985
00:46:40,826 --> 00:46:43,346
Speaker 2: because we used to always go, all right, can they

986
00:46:43,466 --> 00:46:43,706
Speaker 2: do it?

987
00:46:43,746 --> 00:46:45,786
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you have such a unique

988
00:46:45,826 --> 00:46:48,866
Speaker 1: perspective being a Chiefs fan and an international rock star.

989
00:46:49,266 --> 00:46:51,306
Speaker 1: And we've talked about it before, you and I, But

990
00:46:51,466 --> 00:46:54,466
Speaker 1: like this, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelcey, you can bringing over

991
00:46:54,546 --> 00:46:56,946
Speaker 1: a whole other audience, and a lot of football fans

992
00:46:56,986 --> 00:46:58,306
Speaker 1: are pushing it away it saying we don't need to

993
00:46:58,346 --> 00:47:00,386
Speaker 1: see her after every touchdown please, And I don't need

994
00:47:00,466 --> 00:47:04,786
Speaker 1: Travis Kelce's mom in a shot every two seconds with Taylor,

995
00:47:04,826 --> 00:47:06,986
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, you have a different perspective. You

996
00:47:07,026 --> 00:47:08,106
Speaker 1: think it's kind of cool.

997
00:47:08,386 --> 00:47:13,666
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it. I mean I never like to

998
00:47:13,706 --> 00:47:18,386
Speaker 2: get political or kind of you know, or or highlight

999
00:47:18,826 --> 00:47:22,266
Speaker 2: divides in our in our nation. But there is, uh,

1000
00:47:23,106 --> 00:47:30,026
Speaker 2: there's obviously a rise in in the female power in

1001
00:47:30,426 --> 00:47:34,866
Speaker 2: our society. You know, there's there's an equalization happening when

1002
00:47:34,906 --> 00:47:37,306
Speaker 2: you look around and see that. Who was the best

1003
00:47:37,346 --> 00:47:39,866
Speaker 2: thing for the economy in America? Oh it was Taylor Swift,

1004
00:47:40,306 --> 00:47:43,946
Speaker 2: you know, just in the Barbie movie and the Barbie movie. Yeah,

1005
00:47:44,186 --> 00:47:49,386
Speaker 2: so this is happening, and you know, good straight white

1006
00:47:49,426 --> 00:47:52,666
Speaker 2: guys are cool with it, and and there's others that

1007
00:47:52,746 --> 00:47:56,466
Speaker 2: are a little weird about it. So to see the

1008
00:47:56,626 --> 00:48:03,386
Speaker 2: most he man, you know, cool, the dude of all exactly,

1009
00:48:04,106 --> 00:48:11,586
Speaker 2: big straight white guy loving this powerful woman. That's that's

1010
00:48:11,826 --> 00:48:14,386
Speaker 2: that can only be good. That can only be good.

1011
00:48:14,466 --> 00:48:16,586
Speaker 2: It's like, look at that. See that's how you love

1012
00:48:16,946 --> 00:48:19,626
Speaker 2: a powerful woman. You you embrace her, you support her

1013
00:48:19,666 --> 00:48:20,986
Speaker 2: and show up and go yeah I'm here.

1014
00:48:21,306 --> 00:48:23,546
Speaker 1: There's that moment where he's down there in Argentina and

1015
00:48:23,586 --> 00:48:26,306
Speaker 1: she comes running off the station I don't care how

1016
00:48:26,386 --> 00:48:28,786
Speaker 1: cynical you are. I don't care how much you have

1017
00:48:28,826 --> 00:48:29,586
Speaker 1: to appreciate it.

1018
00:48:29,786 --> 00:48:32,386
Speaker 2: Yes, we went. Nut's my fan. I can't even I've

1019
00:48:32,426 --> 00:48:34,906
Speaker 2: got two. I've got a twenty seven and a seventeen

1020
00:48:34,986 --> 00:48:37,466
Speaker 2: year old daughter, and they just you know, where did

1021
00:48:37,506 --> 00:48:41,266
Speaker 2: you see? Did you see her? And it's so it's

1022
00:48:41,386 --> 00:48:44,906
Speaker 2: such an American story and it's beautiful and and it

1023
00:48:45,066 --> 00:48:47,346
Speaker 2: gives us something all to kind of look at and

1024
00:48:47,426 --> 00:48:49,506
Speaker 2: go look, no, no, no, we're not divided. This is

1025
00:48:49,546 --> 00:48:51,626
Speaker 2: how you can do it. We can we can grow

1026
00:48:51,746 --> 00:48:55,386
Speaker 2: and change and get out of the weird patriarchy stuff

1027
00:48:55,426 --> 00:48:57,026
Speaker 2: and be more balanced.

1028
00:48:57,146 --> 00:49:00,386
Speaker 1: Have you met Travis before? I have not that happen.

1029
00:49:00,506 --> 00:49:02,666
Speaker 1: He's really great, I bet.

1030
00:49:02,786 --> 00:49:03,866
Speaker 2: I mean I've just seen him.

1031
00:49:04,026 --> 00:49:07,066
Speaker 1: You know, He's funny, so fun and it's you know,

1032
00:49:07,266 --> 00:49:10,546
Speaker 1: it's not the corny like football player, it's he's clever.

1033
00:49:10,786 --> 00:49:12,426
Speaker 1: Like I had that experience with him where I'm like, oh,

1034
00:49:12,466 --> 00:49:14,306
Speaker 1: that was actually a good line. And he hosted Saturday

1035
00:49:14,346 --> 00:49:15,306
Speaker 1: Live and was excellent.

1036
00:49:15,426 --> 00:49:20,266
Speaker 2: He was awesome. Yeah. I I hope he doesn't retire soon,

1037
00:49:20,386 --> 00:49:22,266
Speaker 2: but you know, it is around the corner, and I'm

1038
00:49:22,346 --> 00:49:22,946
Speaker 2: prepared for that.

1039
00:49:23,786 --> 00:49:25,306
Speaker 1: He mentioned it in the Wall Street Journal. They had

1040
00:49:25,306 --> 00:49:26,786
Speaker 1: an article a big for him, and he said, you know,

1041
00:49:26,946 --> 00:49:29,386
Speaker 1: eventually that day's coming, and everyone freaked out. But you know,

1042
00:49:29,506 --> 00:49:32,186
Speaker 1: he's the Saint Magor's Gronkowski. Gronkowski's been out of the

1043
00:49:32,186 --> 00:49:34,626
Speaker 1: game for several years. No, so he's thirty four.

1044
00:49:34,866 --> 00:49:37,546
Speaker 2: It's not it's going to have You met Taylor Swift, Yes,

1045
00:49:38,186 --> 00:49:42,106
Speaker 2: well I met her once. Gosh, fifteen years ago when

1046
00:49:42,466 --> 00:49:45,066
Speaker 2: when she was like a second or third album was

1047
00:49:45,146 --> 00:49:49,026
Speaker 2: out and hers and regan where was it? I was

1048
00:49:49,426 --> 00:49:53,146
Speaker 2: it was an Awards thing cool and I was backstage

1049
00:49:53,826 --> 00:49:56,226
Speaker 2: and she was so this is when she was, you know,

1050
00:49:56,466 --> 00:49:59,706
Speaker 2: nineteen maybe or something, really young, and she came up

1051
00:49:59,746 --> 00:50:02,946
Speaker 2: to me and she was a fan, and it was

1052
00:50:03,026 --> 00:50:04,466
Speaker 2: very sweet, and she goes, I just got to tell

1053
00:50:04,506 --> 00:50:06,986
Speaker 2: you you You've meant so much to me. You I

1054
00:50:07,146 --> 00:50:11,466
Speaker 2: saw you when I was eleven years old in Reading, Pennsylvania,

1055
00:50:12,146 --> 00:50:14,826
Speaker 2: and she said, and my parents took me to see you,

1056
00:50:15,466 --> 00:50:17,306
Speaker 2: and I picked up the guitar because of you.

1057
00:50:17,466 --> 00:50:18,306
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know.

1058
00:50:18,506 --> 00:50:20,026
Speaker 2: And I tell that to my kids all the time,

1059
00:50:20,106 --> 00:50:23,666
Speaker 2: just to try to get cool perspective, cool points. Yeah,

1060
00:50:23,746 --> 00:50:24,906
Speaker 2: but ye, that for you? Is that?

1061
00:50:24,986 --> 00:50:27,066
Speaker 1: Janice Joplin was that Joan Bias, who was wow.

1062
00:50:27,546 --> 00:50:30,626
Speaker 2: You know, No, Janes Joplins scared me when I was

1063
00:50:30,666 --> 00:50:33,586
Speaker 2: a kid. I thought it was too yeah, because I

1064
00:50:33,706 --> 00:50:35,906
Speaker 2: got it when I was like eighteen or nineteen, But

1065
00:50:35,986 --> 00:50:38,826
Speaker 2: when I was eleven or twelve, it was she had

1066
00:50:38,866 --> 00:50:41,626
Speaker 2: weird hair and I screamed. I didn't get it. It

1067
00:50:41,866 --> 00:50:44,706
Speaker 2: was there's more of the Beatles. It was more your

1068
00:50:44,706 --> 00:50:46,706
Speaker 2: singer songwriters, and there wasn't a lot of women that

1069
00:50:46,826 --> 00:50:47,946
Speaker 2: I looked.

1070
00:50:47,786 --> 00:50:49,706
Speaker 1: Up to at that time. Joan Mitchell, like I'm trying

1071
00:50:49,706 --> 00:50:50,586
Speaker 1: to wrap, Yeah, Joan.

1072
00:50:50,506 --> 00:50:55,266
Speaker 2: Mitchell was as a as a songwriter. I really appreciated her.

1073
00:50:55,786 --> 00:50:57,586
Speaker 2: There was an artist named Joan Armor Trading that was

1074
00:50:58,146 --> 00:51:00,226
Speaker 2: that was kind of underground and big in the late

1075
00:51:00,266 --> 00:51:04,306
Speaker 2: seventies early eighties that I loved. It was the songwriters.

1076
00:51:04,346 --> 00:51:07,106
Speaker 2: It was Bruce Springsteen, you know, it was it was

1077
00:51:07,946 --> 00:51:09,866
Speaker 2: it was Barbara Streisan, you know, I thought she was

1078
00:51:09,906 --> 00:51:12,306
Speaker 2: an incredible performer. It was the you know, the people

1079
00:51:12,386 --> 00:51:14,466
Speaker 2: that got up and were able to hold an audience

1080
00:51:14,626 --> 00:51:16,426
Speaker 2: and say. I always felt like if I could sing,

1081
00:51:16,946 --> 00:51:19,906
Speaker 2: if I could write, then I could, you know, stay

1082
00:51:20,066 --> 00:51:24,706
Speaker 2: in that arena of singer songwriters that I that I loved.

1083
00:51:25,226 --> 00:51:28,226
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are now driving towards the playoffing, would you

1084
00:51:28,306 --> 00:51:29,706
Speaker 1: go to a game in the next few weeks or

1085
00:51:29,706 --> 00:51:30,546
Speaker 1: are you like, I'm good?

1086
00:51:31,426 --> 00:51:37,306
Speaker 2: Oh, it's funny if if they asked me to come

1087
00:51:37,426 --> 00:51:42,466
Speaker 2: do something. Okay, anthem, I've done the anthem three times

1088
00:51:42,626 --> 00:51:46,746
Speaker 2: and they've lost every time. Okay, so I know, I know,

1089
00:51:46,866 --> 00:51:48,986
Speaker 2: I know, So I would have been the drum too.

1090
00:51:49,146 --> 00:51:49,266
Speaker 1: Right.

1091
00:51:49,386 --> 00:51:51,026
Speaker 2: No, I have not been that they have asked me,

1092
00:51:51,106 --> 00:51:55,266
Speaker 2: but I wasn't able to get there, so I might.

1093
00:51:55,786 --> 00:51:58,066
Speaker 2: I don't know. I get really comfortable at home, and

1094
00:51:58,226 --> 00:52:01,066
Speaker 2: now that I have not that, I've had to watch

1095
00:52:01,106 --> 00:52:02,146
Speaker 2: the games recorded.

1096
00:52:02,826 --> 00:52:04,866
Speaker 1: Do you really like There's an old Seinfeld episode where

1097
00:52:04,906 --> 00:52:07,786
Speaker 1: he's like, I watch every we Met game on vc R,

1098
00:52:07,906 --> 00:52:09,506
Speaker 1: don't tell me, and then right when he's about to

1099
00:52:09,506 --> 00:52:11,106
Speaker 1: get to like the biggest point, someone said, no, the

1100
00:52:11,146 --> 00:52:13,386
Speaker 1: Mets lost. Right, you're that person. You watch it. So

1101
00:52:13,426 --> 00:52:14,826
Speaker 1: how do you stay off social media? Is you don't

1102
00:52:14,866 --> 00:52:16,986
Speaker 1: see to do it? There's no bottom line ticker. You're

1103
00:52:17,026 --> 00:52:19,226
Speaker 1: able to DVR a game, yeah, and you'll watch it

1104
00:52:19,306 --> 00:52:21,506
Speaker 1: start to finish and somehow not get a score, not

1105
00:52:21,586 --> 00:52:23,466
Speaker 1: a text, nothing. That's amazing.

1106
00:52:23,546 --> 00:52:26,546
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is amazing and nowadays, the things you can

1107
00:52:26,706 --> 00:52:28,506
Speaker 2: you can watch him really fast, you know you can.

1108
00:52:28,906 --> 00:52:34,546
Speaker 2: And and sometimes like the Broncos game, and I took

1109
00:52:34,586 --> 00:52:37,626
Speaker 2: there's a thing it's like, you know, uh, important plays

1110
00:52:37,746 --> 00:52:39,426
Speaker 2: or something up to you know, when they're playing. And

1111
00:52:39,466 --> 00:52:41,546
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, just give me the And then

1112
00:52:41,586 --> 00:52:43,746
Speaker 2: I watched the last quarter and I was like, oh,

1113
00:52:43,986 --> 00:52:46,946
Speaker 2: this is horrible. All that hurt, especially in the Broncos.

1114
00:52:46,986 --> 00:52:49,306
Speaker 2: But they were playing with such passion because they were

1115
00:52:49,466 --> 00:52:51,626
Speaker 2: we had beat them, you know, bazillion times.

1116
00:52:51,706 --> 00:52:53,786
Speaker 1: And I'm friendly with Sean Payton, and this whole thing

1117
00:52:53,946 --> 00:52:55,706
Speaker 1: was like, if I'm taking this job, I've got to

1118
00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:58,426
Speaker 1: deal with Justin Herbert twice a year. And Patrick Collins

1119
00:52:58,506 --> 00:53:02,226
Speaker 1: is like, I can't so him to beat Mams. Yeah, banishment,

1120
00:53:03,866 --> 00:53:06,746
Speaker 1: Would you perform a song? I know we're here as weird.

1121
00:53:06,786 --> 00:53:09,946
Speaker 2: I don't know my guitar and did you play one

1122
00:53:09,946 --> 00:53:10,466
Speaker 2: of your heads?

1123
00:53:11,786 --> 00:53:11,986
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1124
00:53:12,186 --> 00:53:12,506
Speaker 2: Why not?

1125
00:53:12,826 --> 00:53:15,186
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, Melissa Etheridge take it away.

1126
00:53:15,306 --> 00:53:15,706
Speaker 2: Here we go.

1127
00:53:27,146 --> 00:53:28,746
Speaker 6: I would dial the numbers.

1128
00:53:29,466 --> 00:53:31,026
Speaker 2: Just listen to your birth.

1129
00:53:32,746 --> 00:53:35,986
Speaker 6: I would stand inside my head and hold the hand

1130
00:53:36,066 --> 00:53:40,786
Speaker 6: of death. You don't know how far I'd go to

1131
00:53:40,946 --> 00:53:44,706
Speaker 6: ease this precious ache. You don't know how much.

1132
00:53:44,786 --> 00:53:49,306
Speaker 7: I'd give how much I can take just to reach you,

1133
00:53:51,306 --> 00:53:55,386
Speaker 7: Just to reach you, to reach you.

1134
00:54:00,626 --> 00:54:10,146
Speaker 3: Come to my window, all in shine, wait by the

1135
00:54:10,346 --> 00:54:14,186
Speaker 3: light of the moon, Come to my window.

1136
00:54:15,626 --> 00:54:25,106
Speaker 8: I'll be on the shore. I don't care what they think.

1137
00:54:28,666 --> 00:54:31,266
Speaker 8: I don't care what they say.

1138
00:54:34,346 --> 00:54:35,426
Speaker 7: What are they all about?

1139
00:54:35,546 --> 00:54:58,626
Speaker 4: This law? Where came to my window, crawling shine, wait

1140
00:54:59,306 --> 00:55:04,466
Speaker 4: by the light of the moon, on to my window.

1141
00:55:06,026 --> 00:55:19,306
Speaker 1: I that was unbelievable. Thank you. One of my favorite

1142
00:55:19,386 --> 00:55:22,146
Speaker 1: performances of all time was right there, right now. That

1143
00:55:22,346 --> 00:55:24,706
Speaker 1: was so good. Howard Stern once had the Foo Fighters

1144
00:55:24,746 --> 00:55:26,906
Speaker 1: on him. They played ever long acoustic on their show,

1145
00:55:27,026 --> 00:55:28,906
Speaker 1: and He's just like, oh my god, that's how I

1146
00:55:28,946 --> 00:55:32,386
Speaker 1: feel right so good, and I appreciate you doing that.

1147
00:55:33,386 --> 00:55:34,786
Speaker 2: What a pleasure, What a pleasure.

1148
00:55:35,346 --> 00:55:37,226
Speaker 1: We've been friends for a bit on social media through

1149
00:55:37,266 --> 00:55:38,986
Speaker 1: the show, but I feel like we've really connected over

1150
00:55:38,986 --> 00:55:40,706
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and I just you're a

1151
00:55:40,746 --> 00:55:42,746
Speaker 1: special person. Thank you so much for joining us today.

1152
00:55:42,826 --> 00:55:44,906
Speaker 2: Thank you. In best of luck to you, and come

1153
00:55:44,986 --> 00:55:46,346
Speaker 2: see me sometime when you're now.

1154
00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:48,186
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna be out there and we will definitely

1155
00:55:48,186 --> 00:55:48,946
Speaker 1: see it, and I would.

1156
00:55:48,706 --> 00:55:50,426
Speaker 2: Love to see the perform Come have a dinner.

1157
00:55:50,466 --> 00:55:52,866
Speaker 1: All right, beautiful guys. Melssa Etherage on the season with

1158
00:55:52,946 --> 00:56:09,786
Speaker 1: Peter Schrager. Uh, go about those je Aaron, that was amazing.

1159
00:56:11,146 --> 00:56:16,226
Speaker 5: I was not expecting to be recording an acoustic performance

1160
00:56:16,306 --> 00:56:20,826
Speaker 5: today this morning, and that was huge highlight. That was incredible.

1161
00:56:20,866 --> 00:56:22,386
Speaker 5: One of the it was great.

1162
00:56:22,546 --> 00:56:25,346
Speaker 1: That was yeah, a speech the listeners. It's four of

1163
00:56:25,426 --> 00:56:27,466
Speaker 1: us in an office space and it's four of them,

1164
00:56:27,506 --> 00:56:35,106
Speaker 1: and like that was amazing. Melissa Etharge so cool and gosh, uh,

1165
00:56:35,786 --> 00:56:38,666
Speaker 1: that was neat. It was neat. I'm kind of spelled bout.

1166
00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:39,826
Speaker 1: I'm a little awestruck right now.

1167
00:56:40,386 --> 00:56:41,426
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was nice.

1168
00:56:41,466 --> 00:56:43,226
Speaker 5: Before you came in, you know, she was sitting in

1169
00:56:43,306 --> 00:56:44,746
Speaker 5: here and so we were chatting a little and I

1170
00:56:44,786 --> 00:56:46,786
Speaker 5: was talking to her about different guitars and everything, and

1171
00:56:47,226 --> 00:56:49,306
Speaker 5: you know, getting the story behind this guitar that she's

1172
00:56:49,346 --> 00:56:51,346
Speaker 5: got with her, and she just had it and I

1173
00:56:51,426 --> 00:56:53,026
Speaker 5: was like, oh, she's you know, she just has the

1174
00:56:53,066 --> 00:56:55,466
Speaker 5: guitar with her. And then she didn't put it away

1175
00:56:55,466 --> 00:56:56,946
Speaker 5: and then it was sitting there and then I went

1176
00:56:56,986 --> 00:56:57,186
Speaker 5: for it.

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00:56:57,266 --> 00:56:58,626
Speaker 1: I was like, we play us one of your hits,

1178
00:56:58,626 --> 00:57:00,746
Speaker 1: because I could also say, like, we play us a song,

1179
00:57:00,786 --> 00:57:02,666
Speaker 1: and she does like a silly like Chief song, or

1180
00:57:03,266 --> 00:57:05,306
Speaker 1: she does something where she plays like a new song.

1181
00:57:05,986 --> 00:57:09,106
Speaker 1: She played the biggest song of the nineties, just like

1182
00:57:09,186 --> 00:57:10,146
Speaker 1: an acoustic person.

1183
00:57:11,026 --> 00:57:15,586
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think from now on, every guest,

1184
00:57:15,986 --> 00:57:19,266
Speaker 5: including ocs, including you know, gms, they've got to come on,

1185
00:57:19,346 --> 00:57:21,466
Speaker 5: they got to do an acoustic performance of as they

1186
00:57:21,466 --> 00:57:21,786
Speaker 5: got to have.

1187
00:57:21,746 --> 00:57:24,026
Speaker 1: A talent crche Like we bring on John Schneider from

1188
00:57:24,026 --> 00:57:26,226
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, and he takes us through the drafting of

1189
00:57:26,306 --> 00:57:28,146
Speaker 1: a player, and like we get to watch it like

1190
00:57:28,226 --> 00:57:31,786
Speaker 1: in real time, we watch his craft. In all seriousness.

1191
00:57:31,826 --> 00:57:35,786
Speaker 1: I grew up listening uh to most Ethridge's music, of course,

1192
00:57:35,946 --> 00:57:38,506
Speaker 1: as one of many artists from the nineties, and then

1193
00:57:38,546 --> 00:57:40,586
Speaker 1: I have such an appreciation for acoustic, whether it be

1194
00:57:41,266 --> 00:57:46,586
Speaker 1: VH one, UH, Storytellers, MTV Unplugged, and I mentioned to

1195
00:57:46,706 --> 00:57:49,946
Speaker 1: her the Howard Stern performance that Dave Grohl and Foo

1196
00:57:49,986 --> 00:57:52,106
Speaker 1: Fighters had have ever long, which is like consider one

1197
00:57:52,146 --> 00:57:55,626
Speaker 1: of the greatest like live impromptu on a show performances.

1198
00:57:56,586 --> 00:57:58,146
Speaker 1: That was that moment for us right here. That was

1199
00:57:58,226 --> 00:57:59,946
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It's very different than our usual guests,

1200
00:58:00,706 --> 00:58:02,906
Speaker 1: all due respect to Nick Cassario GM of the Texans.

1201
00:58:03,306 --> 00:58:06,586
Speaker 1: Different element here when you got live live music was

1202
00:58:06,626 --> 00:58:10,626
Speaker 1: really cool. Let's wrap it with a quick mention of

1203
00:58:10,706 --> 00:58:12,666
Speaker 1: the game of the year, which is gonna be on Sunday,

1204
00:58:13,626 --> 00:58:16,226
Speaker 1: Eagles versus forty nine Ers. I think it's the best

1205
00:58:16,266 --> 00:58:18,226
Speaker 1: game on the schedule I set up before the season started.

1206
00:58:18,586 --> 00:58:21,146
Speaker 1: Here's why. A. It might help decide who's home, although

1207
00:58:21,146 --> 00:58:22,666
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna probably go through Philly the way

1208
00:58:22,666 --> 00:58:26,666
Speaker 1: the schedules lie out. B. These teams hate each other.

1209
00:58:27,506 --> 00:58:30,906
Speaker 1: It's real. They don't like each other. Deebo Samuel I

1210
00:58:30,986 --> 00:58:34,106
Speaker 1: think called James Bradbury trash last year, and then they

1211
00:58:34,106 --> 00:58:35,466
Speaker 1: asked him this week about it and he's like, no,

1212
00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:37,386
Speaker 1: I double down, like I don't regret anything I say.

1213
00:58:38,226 --> 00:58:40,146
Speaker 1: If you remember, Fred Warner's wife, Sidney, was in the

1214
00:58:40,186 --> 00:58:42,426
Speaker 1: crowd and she came out on her podcast afterwards saying

1215
00:58:42,466 --> 00:58:45,226
Speaker 1: that the Eagles fans were absolutely horrendous to her and

1216
00:58:45,346 --> 00:58:47,666
Speaker 1: to the other Niners' wives. It wasn't even funny, it

1217
00:58:47,746 --> 00:58:51,586
Speaker 1: was like dangerous. And then on the field, there's a

1218
00:58:51,786 --> 00:58:55,146
Speaker 1: feeling from the Niners side that they were screwed last

1219
00:58:55,186 --> 00:58:56,706
Speaker 1: year by the brock Purty injury, and that was a

1220
00:58:56,746 --> 00:58:59,666
Speaker 1: freak thing that happened, and there's an asterisk, and I'm

1221
00:58:59,706 --> 00:59:01,466
Speaker 1: putting this words in their mouth. It's not them saying,

1222
00:59:01,586 --> 00:59:03,186
Speaker 1: but there's kind of an asterisk to the whole thing

1223
00:59:03,266 --> 00:59:05,066
Speaker 1: that they didn't get a chance to play the Eagles

1224
00:59:05,106 --> 00:59:07,946
Speaker 1: with their full strength, with Perdy being on the field.

1225
00:59:08,026 --> 00:59:10,186
Speaker 1: So Perty's on the field, Devo's on the field, Trent

1226
00:59:10,186 --> 00:59:13,066
Speaker 1: Williams on the field, Kittles on the field. Four o'clock

1227
00:59:13,106 --> 00:59:15,546
Speaker 1: on Fox. Greg Olsen, who I didn't mention as a

1228
00:59:15,586 --> 00:59:17,826
Speaker 1: potential Carolina Panthers head coach. I saw he put his

1229
00:59:17,906 --> 00:59:20,266
Speaker 1: name in the mix or someone through it in their form.

1230
00:59:20,626 --> 00:59:22,826
Speaker 1: He'll be calling the game with Kevin Burkhart, Erny Andrews

1231
00:59:22,866 --> 00:59:26,266
Speaker 1: on the sideline. I'll be on Fox pregame doing it

1232
00:59:26,346 --> 00:59:28,786
Speaker 1: from LA. But I really do feel like this is

1233
00:59:28,866 --> 00:59:31,066
Speaker 1: like forget NFC Championship preview. I feel like the winner

1234
00:59:31,066 --> 00:59:33,426
Speaker 1: of this game is the top team in the NFL

1235
00:59:33,506 --> 00:59:35,906
Speaker 1: right now in the AFC is wide open. On that note,

1236
00:59:36,026 --> 00:59:38,346
Speaker 1: the season with Peter Schrager delivering results is presented by

1237
00:59:38,466 --> 00:59:41,626
Speaker 1: Uber Eats. It's time for delivering results presented by our

1238
00:59:41,706 --> 00:59:44,786
Speaker 1: friends at all Uber eats. Where I discussed a team

1239
00:59:45,066 --> 00:59:48,426
Speaker 1: or a player that deserves the award this week for

1240
00:59:48,506 --> 00:59:51,266
Speaker 1: their performance last week. I'm going with the La Rams.

1241
00:59:51,386 --> 00:59:55,226
Speaker 1: Running Back Kyn Williams got off the ir and went

1242
00:59:55,386 --> 00:59:57,826
Speaker 1: for two hundred and four yards of scrimmage only a

1243
00:59:57,906 --> 00:59:59,986
Speaker 1: few weeks after going for one hundred and fifty eight

1244
01:00:00,106 --> 01:00:03,066
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage against the same Cardinals team. Before he

1245
01:00:03,146 --> 01:00:05,066
Speaker 1: got hurt. They were one in three when he was out,

1246
01:00:05,426 --> 01:00:08,186
Speaker 1: they win the game. Suddenly, with all of these teams

1247
01:00:08,266 --> 01:00:11,106
Speaker 1: losing in the NFL and especially in the NFC, the

1248
01:00:11,266 --> 01:00:14,386
Speaker 1: Rams have two straight wins. They're five and six, they're

1249
01:00:14,546 --> 01:00:16,826
Speaker 1: a half a game out of the playoffs, and they've

1250
01:00:16,866 --> 01:00:20,146
Speaker 1: got a pretty manageable schedule up ahead. Yes, they've got

1251
01:00:20,186 --> 01:00:22,706
Speaker 1: the Ravens, but after that, I think the Rams they

1252
01:00:22,786 --> 01:00:24,786
Speaker 1: might do a little thing or two in the NFC

1253
01:00:24,946 --> 01:00:27,506
Speaker 1: and they might find themselves as a seventh seed. Stafford

1254
01:00:27,586 --> 01:00:30,626
Speaker 1: was amazing, but Kyrone william second year running back in

1255
01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:33,066
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame, a Day three guy. He is our

1256
01:00:33,186 --> 01:00:36,146
Speaker 1: winner of the Delivering Results presented by Uber Eats Award

1257
01:00:36,346 --> 01:00:39,226
Speaker 1: for this week. On that note, I want to thank

1258
01:00:39,306 --> 01:00:43,506
Speaker 1: both of you guys, Aaron Wan Kaufman, Jason English. I

1259
01:00:43,586 --> 01:00:45,066
Speaker 1: want to thank everyone out in LA. I want to

1260
01:00:45,106 --> 01:00:48,506
Speaker 1: thank Melissa Etheridge for wowing us today with her musical brilliance,

1261
01:00:48,866 --> 01:00:50,146
Speaker 1: and I want to thank you the listeners. We've got

1262
01:00:50,186 --> 01:00:53,466
Speaker 1: a lot of great feedback over the last couple of

1263
01:00:53,466 --> 01:00:56,706
Speaker 1: weeks from whether it be Drew Petsing or Cassario or

1264
01:00:57,146 --> 01:01:00,706
Speaker 1: last week Han Schroeder, the NFL Media EVP. It's a

1265
01:01:00,746 --> 01:01:02,946
Speaker 1: wide range of guests. We're doing good things. I think

1266
01:01:02,986 --> 01:01:04,946
Speaker 1: I've mentioned it before. We're in talks to see if

1267
01:01:04,946 --> 01:01:06,026
Speaker 1: we can get to the super Bowl and do a

1268
01:01:06,026 --> 01:01:08,946
Speaker 1: show from there. If not, that's a budgetary thing and

1269
01:01:09,106 --> 01:01:11,346
Speaker 1: we'll have to just lick our wounds and keep on rolling.

1270
01:01:11,906 --> 01:01:14,386
Speaker 1: In the meantime, let's continue to keep on rolling. We

1271
01:01:14,426 --> 01:01:15,746
Speaker 1: can only do what we can do. We can only

1272
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Speaker 1: control what we can control, and we're gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: nineties in studio. Enjoy the week, guys, an amazing slight ahead.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy that Eagles forty nine Ers game until next week.

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