WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 3/26: Reported Stefon Diggs Signing, Offensive Outlook, Draft Strategy 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.680 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.440 Lazar and Alex Bart. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:11.480 And Lazarre. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.400 Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:19.920 Us always by our bark. Here is Evan Lazar and 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.880 Alex Bars. I'm gonna ask you two questions about this. Yeah, 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.520 but one question and then one SERI in question is 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.800 Ted McMillan slow. Yes, I disagree. I just don't think 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.680 he's fast. Oh yeah, Guyang. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.280 That was a classic semantics argument, and I think today 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.960 is gonna be an even classicer semantics? Is classicer a word? 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:42.920 I'm going I don't think so. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.200 Classicer semantics argument? 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:46.720 Uh what a day? 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:48.760 I mean, this is gonna this is shaping up to 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.320 be a heck of a news day. Here on March 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.600 twenty sixth, the off season podcast, Evan Lazar, Alex Bar 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.720 Patriots Catch twenty two with you for the next couple 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.920 of hours here. I'm sure we'll have plenty of calls, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.200 plenty of emails. There's a lot to discuss. It's exciting. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:10.679 Some exciting news for the Patriots last night. Reportedly exciting 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.080 news for the Patriots last night. So we'll get to 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.559 Stefan Diggs here at the top of the show. We'll 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.600 get to the arm length measurement hurdle around the world 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:23.360 at LSU down in Baton Rouge apparently this morning, and 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.920 we'll get to all of it here with you guys 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.280 for the next two hours, which is gonna be fun. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.480 So hey, Patriots fans, you want to see Toyota's best offers, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.840 including those not seen on TV, go to buy a 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.760 Toyota dot com. It is Toyota's official website for deals 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.600 from the official vehicle of the New England Patriots. Toyota 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.960 let's go places and easy to drink, easy to enjoy, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.000 but like the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.080 All right, I want to start with Stefan Diggs. That's 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.280 the tangible news that we have today is that the 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.680 Patriots reportedly the tangible reported news that we have today 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.000 is that last night the Patriots have agreed to terms 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.360 reportedly with free agent wide receiver Stevon Diggs. It is 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.840 a three year deal worth reportedly a sixty nine million 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.840 dollars in maximum value, about twenty six million dollars guaranteed 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.799 of the numbers that Adam Schefter has reported as of 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.120 right now, so there's a lot to unpack with this 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.960 DIGS news. As always with this show, there's a draft 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.000 angle to everything, so we'll get to that. But I think, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.280 just off the top, the overall reaction for me to 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.360 the DIGS news is a couple things. One, I just 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.800 like the fact that they're taking a little bit of 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:40.120 risk on with the player. I think sometimes they tend 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.080 to steer more towards deals where they won the deal. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.440 You know that it's a smart deal for the team, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.840 and it's a deal that doesn't come with as many 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:55.280 potential issues or risks. And I'm not talking about his character, 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.880 his locker room makeup. I'm not worried about that kind 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.480 of stuff. But the knee injuries, the knee injury, and 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.679 I don't want to keep on bringing it up over 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.240 and over again. So we can just right off the 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.600 top here say with this caveat, he is coming off 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.720 of torn acl. He suffered a torn acl last October, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.720 in late October of twenty twenty four. And the reports 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.799 are optimistic. I think Schefter reported last night that he's 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.160 trending or on track to play Week one. That seems 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:24.519 very optimistic. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:25.120 We'll see. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.720 That would be great news, but we'll see. But in general. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.200 It got to the point in free agency for the 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.040 Patriots Alex where it just felt like they had to 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.360 do something like this, a wide receiver. They had to 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.920 take a chance on a Stefan Diggs and Amari Cooper, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.840 a Keenan Allen, one of these receivers that's on the 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.440 wrong side of thirty that might have some flags to him, 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.280 he might have some issues with him, but the ceiling 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.880 of the player is so high and what he could 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.600 bring to your room is just so positive that as 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.040 a team like the Patriots that needs talent on the 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.960 offensive side of the ball, needs play making on the 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.240 offensive side of the ball, it was time to take 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.240 a risk like this. It was time to take us away. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.920 Yeah, and we had talked about this even when uh 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.839 Geez signed with the Seahawks Cooper Cup was still available. Yeah, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.200 I'm so engross and armlean so much arm length. I know, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.560 even when Cooper Cup was available, we talked about this, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.640 like they needed to take a chance. And this isn't 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.880 a great signing in the sense that you know, you 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.919 go back to the beginning of the off season and 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.719 Stefan Diggs was this big prize right there was t Higgins, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.160 DK Metcalf, et cetera, et cetera. But for where things 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.080 got once those guys came off the board, like you said, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.119 they needed to take a shot. If you're taking a shot, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.960 I'm all for upside at this point, and whether it 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.680 be Cup, whether it be Amari Cooper, whether it be 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:47.480 you know, some of these other guys that have moved. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.480 I think Devanta Adams is maybe the one other guy 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.280 you argue just because he's healthy, But Diggs has as much, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.040 if not more upside than anybody. Yeah, and that was available, 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.440 so we'll see whees at with the knee. The health 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.000 is the biggest concern for me, not the off field stuff. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.160 I think that's very overblown. But they needed to take 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.640 a swing, and they took a swing, and if it 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.480 works out, you have a number one wide receiver. Diggs 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.360 has been one of the most underappreciated players in the 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.440 league for the last five years, and I think he'd 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.960 really have an opportunity to shine here if he's healthy. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.160 If it doesn't work out, you talked about the winning 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.560 the deal thing. It's a little pricey, but like, don't 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.039 look at that sixty nine million dollar number. That's not 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.000 the number that matters. If he gets near that number, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.400 it's worth it, like, because so much of that is 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.240 incentive based. If he's actually putting up the numbers to 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.800 earn that great awesome, nobody's gonna think twice about it. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.320 The real number is the twenty six million, that's over 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.800 three years. My guess we haven't seen the details yet. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.360 My guess is that twenty six million is really confined 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.599 to the first two years, so they'll take a little 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.119 bit of a hit, but nothing crippling if Digsny doesn't 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:51.520 hold up. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.839 I'm a little surprised I added the third year, But 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.200 my take on this last week, I wanted them to 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.520 add the second year. Yeah, because if it works out 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.120 and then you have another year removed from the ACL 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.800 in twenty twenty six, it could you could really have 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.520 two very very good years of Stefan Diggs. I really 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.160 tell we always hear you bounce back the second year 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.919 a little bit better off the ACL. So if he 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.960 comes in this year, has a nice season with Drake May, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.680 then in twenty twenty six you might even get an 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.599 even better version of Stefan Diggs. So I like the 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.880 fact that they have some team control on the player 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.280 for a couple of years. A one year deal made 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.440 a lot of sense for Diggs. You know, come in, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.159 get a one year deal, reset your market, show that 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.320 you can still play. That made a lot of sense 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.080 for Diggs. But I thought that it was it was 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.719 better for the team, for the Patriots to get some 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.040 term on the player so that you have him. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.039 If it does hit, well, it's doesn't work out. And look, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.520 if Diggs goes absolutely nuts, right, if he comes back 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.640 and he's the best receiver in football for the last 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.440 however many weeks the season he plays, yeah, he can 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.400 always ask for a new contract, right, that's on the table. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.960 And again, if you're the Patriots, if that's what happens, great, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.159 you've got unbelievable wide receiver play. So I just don't 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.880 I guess I don't think the downside is there in 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.600 signing him. There is a downside in it in that 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:16.040 he's not healthy, So that is a worry, and within that, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.800 he's not gonna be on the field with Drake May 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.000 in the spring, in the summer, and they're gonna have 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:22.760 to really play catchup to get on the same page. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.640 It might take them a couple of weeks to get 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.520 into it. But that's not a massive risk for the team. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.240 If anything, you can look at the other side of 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.680 that and say, well, now there's more reps for the 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.440 young guys in camp, and you have the first four 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.760 or five weeks like there was last year with Kendrick Bourne, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.240 to continue battling it out and figuring out who's gonna 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.000 win those spots. So I just look, it would have 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:43.440 been better if they could have added a guy that 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.559 had a bit higher of a floor or a higher 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.800 floor wasn't hurt. Obviously, this isn't the best case scenario 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.720 for the terms of the offseason, but we've seen We 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.760 kind of saw this last year when they missed out 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.360 on the initial wave. There was just nothing. Yeah, and 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.400 this is Mike Vrabel talked about them. You know, on 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:02.800 a plan A, you gotta go to Plan B, you 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.840 gotta go to Plan C. You got to adjust. You 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.080 can't just miss out on what you want and walk 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.200 home with your head down, right. You still have to 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.600 be able to adjust and find ways to work, And 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.280 that's what they did here. I don't think Diggs was 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.800 probably at the top of their list coming into the 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.840 off season, but I think he was on their list. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.560 Their priorities were were elsewhere. Right. We know they were 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.560 in on Chris Godwin and you know from there it 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.920 was just focus on defense and Milton Williams gets a 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.480 lot of money and all that. But they were able 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.480 to adjust and come back and they got a guy 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.400 that can be an answer at that position in the 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.679 short term. I still think we're doing wide receivers in 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.840 the first round in the draft next year. Diggs isn't 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.600 a long term answer, but you get Drake May somebody 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.040 for this year that's certainly not nothing. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.319 Yeah, the last a big picture thought. Then I want 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.320 to get into some of the minutia about his role 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.360 and fit with McDaniels and all that stuff. The proof 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.880 of concept thing sticks out to me as well. In 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.520 a couple of different angles. You have, like you just said, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:04.440 a proven commodity at receiver that elevates the talent level 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.360 of the offense to the point where Drake May is 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.960 in swimming upstream as much. Right, he's got some help now, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.880 he's got a guy that he can rely on, a 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.079 guy that has a proven resume in the NFL, that 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.720 is a very good route runner, that's a very good 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.240 possession receiver, that's caught one hundred passes? Was it six 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.720 straight years one thousand yard receiver? And I think was 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.480 four with one hundred catch or something like that. And 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.480 so you have a lot of that and I think 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.400 that that's going to help down the line. Like let's 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.120 say this does work out with Stefan Diggs, and now 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.040 in twenty twenty six, the Patriots are a little bit 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.280 more desirable. They're a little bit more desirable. They have 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.640 a one B or a very good two in Stefan Diggs. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.120 You know, Now, do they land that big big fish? 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.080 You know, do they land a t Higgins level talent 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.959 right at that position? So you have be a true 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:01.600 number one elite receiver? Do they somebody? And now all 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.320 of a sudden at the combine, Elliott Wolf mentioned that 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.319 they thought they put too much on Jalen Polk's plate. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.040 That they they thought they he kind of had the 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.600 pressure of being the savior, right, And I think right now, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.880 if you draft somebody, whether it's first round, second round, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.120 third round, whenever, when you add that rookie in, that 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.079 rookie is not expected to come in and save the day, right, 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.720 He's expected to be a running mate with Stefan Dicks 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.480 not the savior of the offense. I think there's something 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.120 to be said for that that it takes some of 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.960 the pressure off of some of the younger receivers to 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.240 come in here and all of a sudden be these 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.560 bona fide stars, uh to be that guy for the Patriots, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.160 to be that true number one guy for New England. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.720 The other angle of it to me, as well, you know, 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.520 along with all these other things, is just when I 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.480 look at their offense right now and I look at 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.280 their depth chart offensively, I'm starting I'm starting to feel 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.760 pretty good about the ingredients that are giving Josh McDaniels. Now, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.800 we're gonna talk about arm lengths at nauseum here in 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.160 a minute, yes, and we're gonna talk about left tackles 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.679 here in a minute. And to me, when I look 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.240 at their depth chart, they're a left tackle away from 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.960 being operational on offense. I'm not saying they're gonna be 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.600 top five on offense. I'm not gonna say they're gonna 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:20.079 be top ten. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:20.360 I don't. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.479 I'm not gonna put those qualifiers in there, but representative, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.400 they are gonna be up and running on that side 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.120 of the ball. They're gonna have a playmaker and digs 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.240 that they can move around, that they can use in 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.040 different ways, that they can get open, that they can 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.080 feed the rock to in a high volume role. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.000 They have a young. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.360 Quarterback that we all feel pretty good about. If they 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.720 just have a representable offensive line with a left tackle 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.920 that can just play the position at an NFL level, 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.640 you start to feel good about a really good offensive 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:54.600 coordinator in Josh McDaniels making that thing hump, like, making 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.760 all those pieces work. So it's all positive right now. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.200 I believe with with Steffan Diggs and this move, I 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.720 don't really see a ton of downside to the to 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.320 the point of risk for the team. Like, yes, there's 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.800 downside that he doesn't bounce back from the injury and 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.520 he's not the same player. That downside obviously exists. But 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.360 the risk in terms of long term effect on the 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.160 cap or on the cash or any of those different things, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.600 I just don't think that it's a that it's really 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.000 gonna come back to bite them if he's not if 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.520 he's not the old Steffan Diggs. You know, if he's 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.040 not the old Steffan Diggs, you move on, you know, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.200 you rip up the last two years and you move on. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.600 It's it's a very manageable cap hit in twenty twenty six. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.040 I would bet there's no dead money in twenty twenty seven. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.840 Okay, So just to get into some more of the 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.600 me new share about this with Diggs. The other thing 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.800 that I find interesting is how exactly he is going 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.440 to be deployed in Josh mcdaniels's offense. So Diggs has 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.160 always been a very versatile receiver. Can play inside, can 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.480 play outside, can play the X, can play the Z, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.120 can play the slot. You can move him around all 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:10.160 over the place. In Houston, his usage changed slightly and 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.679 that obviously stems from Nico Collins being really their outside 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:19.240 guy with the Texans and being their X receiver, So 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.720 he played a lot more in the slot. He played 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.800 a lot more in the Z or away from press coverage, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.720 and really I think the more important thing is that 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.160 he was more of a chain mover in that offense. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.000 He was not a big play guy for that offense. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.079 He was the guy that on third and six was 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.800 getting them seven yards. His career low and average air 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.600 yards per target was last season. He only averaged eight 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.360 point three yards per target through the air, it was 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.480 two yards less than his last season in Buffalo, So 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.240 that's a pretty big difference. That's a really really big difference. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.720 So what he went from in Buffalo was obviously the guy, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.160 but also a guy that was running by people and 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.520 making big plays all over the field with Josh Allen. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.800 What he went to in Houston was much more of 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.880 a chain mover, possession receiver or whatever you want to 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.439 call it. And when I look at McDaniels and his history, 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.400 especially with those inside receivers, you know, not all inside 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.160 receivers are slots, you know, all of them are created equal, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.360 but guys that are play inside the formation for the 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.640 most part, that's the high volume role in Josh mcdaniels's offense. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.640 The high volume role is the Julian Edelman, Wes Welker, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.840 Troy Brown, Deon Brand's role. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:36.280 Right. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.000 Yeah, so I'm expecting them to put Stefan Diggs in 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.480 that role and it might not look exactly like it 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.560 did with Julian Edelman, Like you might not be running 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.000 you know, juke routs and you know, quick hitters and 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.880 quick changes of directions and things like that. It might 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:54.200 be its own iteration of that, but moving digs around, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.280 hunting matchups for digs, getting him into the middle of 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.080 the formation where he can go up against some linebacker 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.400 and safeties on occasion, using him in motion, using him 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.320 out of stacks, you know, two receiver stacks, three receiver 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.160 bunch alignments, everything that you can do, all those bells 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.600 and whistles that McDaniels uses to get receivers open and 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.880 get them favorable opportunities down the field to get open. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.680 That to me is gonna be Stefan Diggs. So I'm 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.440 sure he'll play some on the outside, no doubt about that. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.600 Maybe there are opportunities where they like him in certain 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.520 matchups at the X, you know, playing on the back 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.440 side of the coverage one on one. But I really 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.680 look at him as an engine of the offense type 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.240 player within this offense, and if you're you're gonna get 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.000 the most out of him. I think he plays in 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.320 that high volume inside receiver role that we've seen McDaniels 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.000 have everywhere he goes. You know, it was Jacobe Myers 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.560 at the end here edel Min obviously passed the torch 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.680 to Myers. Now I believe it's gonna be Steffan Diggs. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.920 I think that's good. That being said, if I just 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.680 had to say, you know, the one not flaw, but 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.480 the one thing that I would look at with that, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.080 they're still kind of missing that prototypical X in my mind, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.680 you know, the true yeah, guy that can play on 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.440 the outside consistently, beat backside coverage, beat one on one 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.960 coverage consistently, and ideally someone that has some size and 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.280 some speed, Like they don't really have a ton of 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.640 that right now. You know, if you figure that, it's 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:22.520 gonna be Digs Pop Douglas and then a competition probably 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.600 ad X between MATC Collins, Kishan Boodie, maybe Javon Baker 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.160 gets in there, Rookie Hunter Henry, Like, that's gonna be 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.200 sort of your core group. You could use some speed 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.320 down the field, and you could use some size. But 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.880 I'm really intrigued by the idea of Diggs playing a 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.680 little bit more as like a movable chess piece in 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.200 this McDaniels offense, like he's used those receivers I've mentioned 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.040 in the past, versus this guy's just gonna play outside. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.600 He's gonna play X, you know, seventy times a game 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.080 and go one on one all game long. I just 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.840 like the idea of him moving around a little bit more. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.640 No, there's definitely versatility there. I wonder if they try 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.320 to reroute some of the traditional inside ste off to 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.320 an outside position where Diggs is kind of running some 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.879 of those slot assignments, but he's doing so from an 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.680 outside alignment. Yeah, and now we're really. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.560 Well they could do that from like a condensed formation, especially, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.600 so that's what they did a lot in Houston. So 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.840 you run condensed splits, which means that your receivers, your 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:22.160 outside receiver are actually inside the numbers, yeah, versus your 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.720 outside receiver being on the numbers or even in a 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.640 really exaggerated wide split outside the numbers. So a lot 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.160 of these new offenses, especially you know the McVeigh Shanahan tree, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.840 a lot of those offenses run in condensed formations, and 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.879 that allows you to have the freedom to all the 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.880 space right to run into it too the sideline, versus 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.200 being you know, pinned up against the sideline. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:46.560 Yeah. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.359 So I wonder if there's a way to do some 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.480 of that. But I think that the downfield threat the 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.680 speed is obviously gonna be the question coming off the ACL, 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.679 Like you talked about how helpfully can be there. But 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.480 he's one of these guys that as he's gotten older, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.280 he's got a lot craft here, right. He has a 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.040 better understanding of the game, what's going on, things like that, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.640 and he can kind of mentally get himself open even 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.280 if he's not the most explosive player anymore. So I'm 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.920 looking forward to see how McDaniels uses him. I don't 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.760 know if you want to get into what this means 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.520 for the draft as kind of a transition, because to me, 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.560 this doesn't change anything for them at the top of 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.320 the draft now if it changes anything draft approach wise, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:32.040 for me, it's like taking that guy between forty in 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.200 a hut, like between call it fifty and one hundred 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.040 and fifty, who's just gonna kind of be in that 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.680 middle mix with Booty and Polk and Baker and burn. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.240 I'm good there. I know you said you'd like to 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.200 kind of bring as many guys into camp as possible, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.919 but let the guys you have compete. You have equal players. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.679 Riz you know, at sixty nine, at seventy seven, you 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.680 can get maybe a starting guard, or you can get 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.600 a good running back, or you can get a safety, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.359 or you can get a guy that you know is 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.359 going to make an impact right away versus well, you know, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.600 we don't even sure because you look at this draft 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.520 it's similar player to Jalen Polk, right. So where I 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.240 was at with quarterbacks last year is kind of where 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.240 I'm at with receivers. Now. Take either guy you know 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.760 is gonna be one two on the depth chart or 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.359 a true project round six or seven. I don't really 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.119 have any need for the guys in the middle. But 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.479 it doesn't change anything at the top because I think 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.440 Digs one. Digs is a bridge two. Even in the 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.320 shorter term. I think Digs and Hunter, and I'm still 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.320 drafting Hunter as a receiver. Yeah, Digs and Hunter can 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.440 probably play off each other well. And if you're coming 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.760 out in eleven with Digs, Hunter, and Pop, yeah, that's 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.280 a real group. That's a real legit group. So I 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.560 like that's where I'm kind of not just Digs in 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.280 his own because we're doing this exercise last night, and 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.879 this is in the wake right of the Giant signing 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.520 Russell Wilson, which feels like it happened ten years ago. Yeah, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:53.320 and that got everybody all hot and bothered about Travis Hunter. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.800 So I'm looking through it in the lens last night. 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.800 I wasn't even doing just the dig stuff. Really, it 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.880 was all right, So you're gonna have digs as kind 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:03.720 of like a small shiftier X. You're gonna have Hunter 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.280 in the Z probably doing stuff over the middle, and 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.439 you're gonna have Pops stretching the field vertically from the 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.680 slot or something like that. Like that's how I was 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.879 looking at because if you put those three together, I 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.280 think McDaniel's he's gonna get in the lab. He's gonna 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:17.720 have a lot of fun if you give them those three, 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.960 and then it's you know, Booty or Polk or Born 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.200 kind of rounding out the depth chart as your fourth 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.400 and fifth guy at mac Collins as your your depth receivers. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.320 Yeah, I don't. It doesn't change anything at the top 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.080 of the draft in terms of who you're targeting, Like 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.359 if Travis Hunter is there, you're still taking Travis Hunter. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.600 I think the biggest thing though, to me again is 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.520 I don't want to get too caught up on the 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.480 speed thing. I know I tend to do that, and 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.160 I also just don't want to if you think of 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.960 another if you think Ted McMillan's a better football player 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.720 than you should draft Ted McMillan. You shouldn't go ahead 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.280 and draft I can't, you know, Matthew Golden just because 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:53.840 he's fast. 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:58.200 And I even say, like, does this make McMillan more 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.480 of a fit, because now you have that right and 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.560 now digs is your Z or popsters, he digs your 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.280 slot whatever you want to up. But like X Y 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.439 Z that that's the ABCD, that's a lot more tradition, 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.960 Like that would be the traditional right if you add 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:14.159 Teed McMillan to it. 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.720 So my fear with with that though, and again I 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.440 don't want to. 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.080 Harp to that being receiver. For that being McMillan specific. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.000 McMillan specifically, I think you're really slow. I think you're 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.040 slow in terms of being able to stretch the field vertically. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.720 I don't know if Diggs is that guy anymore now. 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.080 Maybe maybe they just used him differently in Houston and 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:36.639 he's going to go back to being more of a 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.640 vertical threat like he was in Buffalo. But in Houston, 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:41.879 like I mentioned, you know, the air arts per target, 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.879 the role of the slot usage, all that increase, and 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.879 he really turned into a first and second level receiver. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.160 He was a short and intermediate guy. And I want 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:51.679 to put that out there because I want to make 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.560 sure that that the listeners and everybody like you understand 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.040 who they're getting. They're not getting a burner over that's 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.119 gonna make that's going to separate over the top. What 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:00.880 about his game? 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.080 What about Pop? Is the field stretcher from the inside. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:05.560 Pop's fast like Pop hass speed? 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.440 Pop has speed? You know you always worry about guys 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.600 with Pop in terms of stretching the field vertically is 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.680 like catch radius and ability to win at the catch 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.119 point when it is contested. 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.920 I contested catch maybe not. He's got pretty good ball 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.080 skills though he's made some great catches like fall into 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.680 the ground, Yes, turning his shoulders so you're not throwing 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.680 him jump balls, but isn't if you're worried about jump balls. 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.119 You're going size over speed anyway. The idea is he's 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.160 running past people. Yeah, and that's how he's stretching the field. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.639 Yeah, No, there's a possibility there, Travis Hunter, to me 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.879 and Stefan Diggs together, it starts to get it's like 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.000 getting me a little hot in here right like that? 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.360 That right there is as good as it could get. 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.920 In terms of the Patriots, those two guys are interchangeable. 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.080 You can play them both at the X, you can 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.199 play them both inside. You talk about play speed, you know, 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.639 obviously Travis Hunter has plenty of that, plenty of downfield 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.880 ball skills, plenty of play speed to stretch the field vertically. 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.040 That would be a really tough group to cover. That'd 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.520 be a truly tough group to cover with both. All 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.399 three of those guys are separators, now different styles. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:09.879 You know. 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.800 Hunter is a separator because he's a great athlete. Diggs 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.680 is a great route runner and a savvy, crafty route runner. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.320 That's how he separates. And then Pop is like the bursty, 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.400 you know, jitterbug. But they all separate at a high level, 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.919 all three of them. Ted McMillan, I've had my reservations 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.320 about his speed to begin with. Again, if they really 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.480 feel like he's the best player at that position and 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.880 they're going receiver at the top of the draft, I'm 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.159 not gonna sit here and say draft a guy you 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.800 have a lesser grade on just because he ran a 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:40.399 four two nine aka Matthew Golden Right, gonna harp on it. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.119 But I do think that you are still lacking in 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.080 terms of down the field speed, especially from the outside 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:47.800 like tech and stretch the field. In the middle, he 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.159 runs the scene, runs a deep post from the slot, whatever. 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.359 But when he plays on the outside, he has trouble 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.480 pulling away from guys on the outside. And I don't 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.440 know if Diggs is that guy anymore to do that. 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.280 Pop's certainly not that guy to play outside and pull 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:06.919 away from people. But it's an exciting combination regardless with 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:11.200 all these options. Now, if we're talking draft though, and 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.240 obviously the Will Campbell stuff is out there, but when 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.080 I look at this offense right now, I really feel 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.480 as though left tackle is like the one albatross in 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.520 the room, right that's like the one glaring hole that's 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.440 staring at you. I still think they need more talent receiver. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.680 I still think they need a younger receiver than Stefan Diggs. 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:37.320 That has some ceiling and some upside, certainly, But when 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:41.080 I look at this offense right now for twenty twenty five, 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:45.000 if you get them a viable starting left tackle and 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.320 you give that to McDaniel's on top of what they 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.520 already have on paper offensively, maybe you sprinkle in some 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.280 spice running back in the middle rounds something like that, 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.000 to add a little bit more juice to the offense 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.320 in a different area of the field. Maybe it's a 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.440 tight end something like that. I think you're really cooking 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.720 with gas. So I think you're really cooking with gas 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.600 if you have a viable left side. 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.280 Of the audics. The problem is there's not many viable 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:12.280 left tackles available. Sure, Tyron Williams, Tyron Smith, sorry's the 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.320 one in freegency. And that's even a maybe like would 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.439 he come here? Diggs signing probably helps. I wanted one 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.200 more thing on Diggs. And when it comes to rookie receivers, 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.359 especially with the guy like Travis Hunter, how much do 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:23.760 you put on Digs being like a mentor for some 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.119 of the younger guys, And doesn't he kind of feel 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.919 like a more favorable mentor for a guy like Travis 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.199 Hunter because those two at least prime Digs. He's not 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.280 that player anymore, but prime Digs played similarly to I 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:38.960 think the way you're gonna want Travis Hunter. 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.840 To play absolutely, I mean I love that, you know, 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:42.520 I love the fact that he can come in here, 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.919 even mentor although some of us, not me but you know, 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.720 some people have given up on Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:51.399 But bringing in a guy like Stefan Diggs to mentor 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:53.880 even those guys, I think is important and it could 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.560 be valuable. So I look at across the board, just 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.520 having somebody that you can look at and say, yeah, 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.800 this guy's done in this at an extremely high level. 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:04.639 This is how he goes about his business. And I 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.520 think when we talk about a lot of this mentor stuff, 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.639 we're talking about really you know, like Monday through Saturday, right, Like, 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.200 how does this guy go about his business? How does 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.080 he train, how does he practice, how does he prepare, 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.560 how does he watch tape? You know, all these different 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.439 types of things that go into being a professional receiver. 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:23.639 When you have a guy like Diggs who has a 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:27.280 routine that obviously works at a very very high level, 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.439 it's extremely beneficial to young players. 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.280 So I only have one real question about the Stefan 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.040 Digg signing them. Worried about what numbers are gonna wear? 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:36.960 That's fair question. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.000 So Splaine was Splain has fourteen, which he wore in 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.080 Minnesota and Buffalo. Yeah, he did wear one in Houston. 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:47.520 E Wharton College so you talk about mentoring Jalen Pole 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.560 gives him one right start off on, I'm gonna give 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.520 you one, and in exchange, you're gonna teach me everything 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.840 you know, teach me your ways Yoda, right exactly, Like 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.920 that should be the trade off. And then polk Get's 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:57.919 like sixteen or something. 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:02.520 So I like that, that's not bad. A couple other 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:04.560 things about the draft before we get into Will Campbell 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:08.040 of at all, Yeah, just talking about Day two receivers 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.520 that would fit now at this offense. I'm gonna go 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:13.840 to the speed guys a little. 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.960 Bit, like you know what I'm gonna ask you when 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:16.960 you name them, but go ahead. 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:22.240 But I still feel I still like Jayden Higgins as 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.560 a player. But I still feel the same way that 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.840 I kind of feel about Tech McMillan. It just feels 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.520 like you have a lot of guys that are gonna 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.119 try to win on slants and digs, right, Like, you 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.439 can't have a whole offensive slants and digs. You have 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.879 to have somebody else that can do something down the 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.520 field at the third level. I don't think he's necessarily 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.800 that guy either. I think he's more of what we 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:45.080 talk about with Tep McMillan like a souped up possession receiver. 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:47.240 When I say souped up, I mean just a large 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:51.120 possession receiver with Jaden Higgins. So you start to get 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.400 into you know, Royals, right, I think is a good 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:57.880 field stretcher. I don't know how you feel. We haven't 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.040 really talked too much about him. 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:04.160 Yeah, I'm okay on him. At that point, you're probably 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.960 gonna get him, you know, back end of the third 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:08.720 Can you wait till the top of the force and 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.960 take Kaile Williams at that point? Sure? 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.760 So Jalen Royals from Utah State is who we're talking about. 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.320 Who's a real a true burner, you know, he is 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:22.560 a true vertical threat. Doesn't necessarily have great size, but 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:26.080 as great speed and has big plays all over his 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:29.640 film at Utah State. But against good opponents as well. 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.320 It's not all just against. 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.560 What was that the Mac or whatever mountain state in 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:35.400 West the Mac is like. 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.160 So that they don't know it's not all against you know, 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.600 bad competition. Uh, he's a good player. I think he's 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:47.040 got some speed, he's got some juice. You know, I'm 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:47.960 gonna I'm gonna. 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.600 Bring up isaiabah All right fast. And you know, I'm 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:51.680 gonna bring up a fast and. 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.200 But if you're looking at the way that this offense 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.360 is built, like they kind of just need fast, but they. 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.400 Go sign, Go find whoever this year's demere bird is 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.520 in free agency and sign that guy. You don't need 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.080 to use a top one hundred pick on that guy. 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.520 If you're just looking for guys you like to say, 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.920 who's gonna run wind sprints back and forth to make 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.720 sure the other team keeps too safeties back, you don't 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.320 need to use a top one hundred pick on that guy. 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.920 All right, fair enough. I don't know if this is 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.440 if he's truly an outside guy. With Kyle Williams, I 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.600 know he's picking up a lot of a lot of steam. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.320 You know he's a popular guy right now, Yeah, in 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:32.760 the draft community. But Kyle Williams to me still feels undersized. 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.480 You just want a guy to run up and down. 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.200 But he's in the he's in, he's on the list. 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.520 You know who is still a free agent? You want 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.680 somebody in that role? Who's that? Could we call it 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.280 the what do you want to call this role? The 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:48.440 I feel like the mere bird's an under cell. Who 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:49.760 else had it. I don't know. 0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.480 I mean, like Philip Dorsett. I guess who else That's 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:54.200 all I got right now? 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.520 Nelson Nelson still a free agent. 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.960 Okay, well, I don't think Nelson Aguilar has got the 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:00.880 got the juice like he once did. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.280 Philip Dorsettroll is probably better way to put it. 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.880 Uh, how do you feel about Saveon Williams? 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.120 Oh? I was gonna ask you about that. 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.280 Because it kind of makes sense now at this group 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:11.800 it does. 0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:14.560 Yeah, but he's not He's. 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.720 A he's got a little bit more receivers, like he 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.960 gets all the Quardill Patterson comps for obvious reasons. But 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.360 he's got a little bit more receiver's skill, I would say, 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.200 especially uh, contested catch and like leaping about. 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:30.280 Yeah, but I worry about the hands. I guess you're 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.360 not gonna have. You're not gonna have running a diverse 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.440 route tree, so the route running doesn't matter as much. 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.440 Yep, he's gonna run, go ball, Go ball. 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.360 I really like I was working on this take this week. 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.440 You remember my take about Joe Milton last year, like 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.880 the not the thing about eighty yards that Joe Milton 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.240 was the most interesting player in the draft, Yeah, it 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.520 was the most entertaining player in the draft. I think 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.040 Savian Williams has that title this year. I think Savian 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.200 Williams's most entertaining player in this draft. But I just 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:57.960 with there and I know it's new staff there, history 0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:59.800 of developing my receivers and all that. From where he's 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.080 gon go for where he's gonna go, I think his 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.720 success is as a gadget player at that. If you're 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.400 just looking for big and fast and I'm doing Taekwon again, 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:10.719 do you just go Dante Thornton. 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:12.560 So he's gonna I was gonna get to him, But 0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.200 Savion Williams really quickly. I just the one thing that 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.120 stood out to me when I watched him is that 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.880 he's a little bit more refined at the catch point 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.000 than I was expecting, right, Like I was really expecting 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:28.280 Cordell Patterson, who is really not a receiver. He's probably 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.720 better as a running back, honestly, Yeah, Patterson. When you 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.960 watch Savian Williams, you mentioned the drops. He has some 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:39.240 really bad focus drops where like he's just open, the 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.680 ball hits him on the hands and when forever reason 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.640 he drops it, he's like he's he's like Marcus Smart. 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.920 He makes the most ridiculous shots you've ever seen, and 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.640 then when he has a freaking layup, he blows the 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.840 bunny right Like that's Savian Williams. He is a really 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:57.600 good down the field, high point, go get the ball 0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:58.360 type of receiver. 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.000 He's also really good with the ball in his hands. 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.240 Yeah, and then when you throw him a slant and 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.200 there's nobody within five yards of him, he'll just drop 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.480 it and you're you are left scratch. 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.840 I just I worry about that guy here, especially with 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.960 a young quarterback. I just don't know that that's I 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.040 really like him. I'm perfectly content watching him succeed somewhere 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.880 else if they if they pass on him and he 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:19.800 goes somewhere else and he has success, I'm not gonna 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.320 fault them for it. That's a tough projection, all right. 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.320 I'd be more like, you know, I'm more in a 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.240 group of like I don't want to take away too 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.760 much for me. It's like Dante Thornton, I was ty 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:33.200 Felton on there ye Mary d k from Florida Deep 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.000 getting a little deep. That's kind of where I'm taking 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:36.760 a receiver. 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.680 Though, So Dante Thornton's interesting. Yeah, Now if they draft 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.960 Dante Thornton, who ran like a four to three and 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.640 his last name is Thornton, you don't even if you 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.920 know that, you know what everybody's gonna say. Right, it's 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:51.640 and I mean it's gonna be automatic. 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.720 Five eight two o five four three flat. 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:53.880 Fur. 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.560 I didn't realize he was only five eight sorry, six 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.600 six five. I don't know what I was looking at 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:02.520 a five five eight. The hand size says five eighths. 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:07.320 It's right below it six six five two five four three. Yeah, 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.120 we're doing we're doing Thornton again. No, we're not doing 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:13.480 Thornton again. No, because he's he's bigger. He's he's bigger. 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.640 He's built bigger than taekwan Thorn by a lot. What 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.600 do you mean by a ton two? He doesn't look though, Okay, 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.880 but if he's if he's one hundred and ninety, he's still. 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:24.080 That's okay, that's fair. 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:28.600 He's still he's got more mass than Taekwon uh Thortondo. 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.320 But he also played at Oregon before he played at Tennessee. 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.920 Yeah, he but he plays fast like it's it's not 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.280 just a forty time when you turn on the tape 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:39.480 with him, he runs well, you know, he is a 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.920 true take the top off the defense kind of guy. 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:42.560 Uh. 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.920 I just those are some of the names that I 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.120 had on my list. If you're you're really looking for 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.520 a specific type of receiver. Again, if you're going in 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.720 the first round, you're just taking the best receiver available, 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.680 Like if it's TEP McMillan, it's Tech McMillan. Uh, you're 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.760 just going with the best guy. But when you start 0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.120 to get down the board a little bit, if you 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.400 want to be a bit more picky about the skill 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.120 set and making sure that it fits with what you have. Uh, 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.640 Dante Thornton, like early on day three, maybe you. 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.880 Know like a couple yea years ago, sell me on 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:10.640 that a couple. 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:11.800 Of years ago they would have reached on him and 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.279 taken him in the second round, right, But. 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:15.840 I I I don't need a wide receiver at like 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:18.040 sixty nine or seventy seven or even one oh six. 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:22.400 After that it makes more sense. So again, Felton Thornton, 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.640 you're you're sleeping on tre mariy dk. 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:25.800 Okay from Flora. 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:27.440 I don't know if you've watched him at all now 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:32.120 six one, six, four, three, four. Uh, he's really good 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:36.360 at beating press, getting down the fields, getting open contested catches. 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.160 That's kind of it. You're not gonna run him underneath. 0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:40.880 He's not gonna give you a lot after the catch. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.239 His hands aren't He's not quite as bad as save 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:46.200 on Wims, but his hands aren't great. But he's gonna 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.480 go down the fields and run fast and make plays 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.520 on the football. So if you're just looking for somebody 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:54.600 to do that and you can get him, probably you 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.879 might be able get him in two seventeen. Honestly, Yeah, 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.040 they have a gap between one forty four and two seventeen. 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.000 My guess is he'll go somewhere in there. But I 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.680 also think they'll close that gap somehow. 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.239 I need somebody that can run a go I need 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.239 somebody that can run a post, and I need them 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.960 to be able to do it very well. I need 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:10.520 two routes. 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.319 I think that's pretty much all he can do. 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.400 But you gotta do it at a high level, like 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.040 I you know, I'm not talking in no shade meant, 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.360 but like you know, I don't think Kishan Boody and 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.359 Javon Baker have proven that they can do that at 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.920 a truly high level. Maybe Booty. Booty had a nice 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:25.760 season last year. I don't meet the crap on Boody. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.080 I know there's a lot of Booty fans out there, 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.279 and he had a nice season last year, So maybe 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.080 he's the answer. Like, maybe he's the guy that ends up, 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.880 you know, being that true outside guy that can win 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:38.680 a deep on a deep route. 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:39.279 Maybe he is. 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.239 Yeah, I would like to get somebody else in here 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:42.719 to at least compete for that. 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:44.920 Do you want the Lancer line on DK, because I 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.480 think this is exactly what you're describing. Niche receiver with 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.360 average hands but good early speed to bypass mad coverage, 0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.399 gives life to the vertical game. Second and third level 0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.960 receiver whose routes have the energy of a youngster on 0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:02.000 a playground with all gas and no breaks. He's more 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.400 of a field stretcher than a volume option, but his 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.640 talent for opening deep windows could appeal the teams in 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:10.200 need of speed. So you put him, That's like exactly 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:11.640 the guy you're talking about. You can get him so 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.720 much later you put him or Dante Thornton. 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:19.359 Yeah, in a competition with Kaishawn Booty and Javon Baker. Yeah, 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.879 to be that developmental X right to be that high 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:26.239 upside developmental X. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.719 I just I don't want them taking that guy in 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.839 the top one hundred where they can address other needs. 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.719 Agree, because frankly, the guys that are best in the 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.640 top one hundred or not that guy, right, it's Jalen Dowell, 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:38.240 it's you know guy guys. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.480 I mean there's a couple you know. I don't Sadian 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.800 Williams would be in there. Yep, Isaiah Bond, Tory Horton. 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:46.640 Are those guys going top one hundred? 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.880 Tory Horton's fringe, Isaiah Bond will Yeah, an if you 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:51.840 really go up there, I. 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.160 Think even that starts outside the top seventy five. Like 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.360 I still think we're thinking late day two for Isaiah Bond. 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.920 That's still too high for me. Yeah, day three pick. 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.920 Yeah, fair enough. Should we get to the Will Campbell? 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.440 Yes, all right, so you have to do any reads first? 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.279 Nope, We're gonna get right into it. We'll do the 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:15.160 reads here in a second. The this is truly getting bizarre. 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.440 I've been telling you people this for weeks. 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.719 By the way, this no, no, no, no, no no, this 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.000 is this goes beyond just the combine crap. Okay, this 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.560 is We've been doing this really full time since what 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.840 eighteen seven, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.200 So the first draft we worked together was the eighteen draft. 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.160 It was the Isaiah win In Sony Michelle Draft. 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.239 This is the most bizarre situation I've ever encountered in 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:38.480 my time covering the draft. 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:39.880 I'm trying to think. 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:44.759 We we now have three different arm length measurements for 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.560 the same human being. Like we third the one from 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:52.640 last spring that Jim Nagy reported and then Greg Badard confirmed, Yeah, 0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.600 which was thirty two and seven eights, so a year 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:59.080 ago last spring. I believe it was at one of 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.719 those like camp or something like that, or they, you know, 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:06.400 the NFL Future NFL camp thing. He was thirty two 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.400 and seven a's yep, Will Campbell. Then he goes to 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.680 the combine, Yeah, and he measures in at thirty two 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.240 and five eights. I have takes on the combine. 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:14.839 We'll get to those. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.759 And then we get to his pro day and he's 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:18.600 thirty three flat. 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.120 So I'll say this on the the thirty two and 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:24.239 seven as and thirty three Yeah, twenty one years old. Yeah, 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.040 it's a growing boy. It's no, I'm serious. 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:28.879 Yeah, no, you're right? 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.000 Is it that unrealistic? A twenty one year old grow 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.400 a little bit in a year. So I count the 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.239 thirty two and seven a's and the thirty three as 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.520 one measurement. Those two, to me are the same. Like 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:42.120 if you're off by that margin, who knows what happened, 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:43.600 maybe his fingernails out or something. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:44.000 I don't know. 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.360 The five as is completely different. 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:48.160 So here here's where I stand on all of this, 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:52.520 because I admit, fully I have been all over the 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.800 map on how to feel about this, right, like originally 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.759 all in on the player back in January, based off 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.600 the film the com Hits. I'm out on the player 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:05.239 because I think he's a gar with his length. I'm panicked, Right, 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.600 what do we do? I overreact to the combine. It 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.920 happens a month later after the combine, we get another measurement. 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.400 Now I feel like I'm getting pulled back in. My 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.439 gravity's pulling me back in. Now I've been all over 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.440 the map on the player, I fully admit that. But 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.400 what I come back to at times like this, because again, 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.800 this is the most bizarre situation I've ever encountered covering 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.879 the draft. I have never I never remember there, and 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.080 I know you're gonna get to your your study here 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:30.479 in a second. 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:30.759 Two. 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.640 It's not just Will Campbell. The arm lanes are screwed 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:34.960 up all over the attack. 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.160 It's not just the arm length, it's other things too. 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.560 But I just did a young le Jalen Milro's hands 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:40.560 grew exponentially. 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.360 Right we are, We are really all over the place now. 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.719 If you're an NFL team, if you're Elliott Wolf, Mike 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.359 Rabel and Bryan Towden, my guess is that you're gonna 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.319 have Will Campbell in for a visit. At some point. 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.799 You're gonna take out your own tape measure and you're 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.239 gonna measure the freaking arms. Yeah right, that's what you're 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.759 gonna do. But above all else, I think we're at 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:05.040 the point now where you got to trust your instincts 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.560 based off the tape, and you either like the player 0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.200 or you don't. You're either in you're out based off 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.440 the film, like let's not get bogged down or caught 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:17.120 up eighths of an inch of arms or wingspans or 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.600 whatever the case may be. If you're out on Will 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.840 Campbell at left tackle or for the Patriots at four Overall, 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:24.799 you're out that that's your prerogative. 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:25.520 You can be out. 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.600 Well, you're in. You're in like that, don't come out 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.760 on the measurements. I don't care anymore. 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.839 Because I think people forget this. You're allowed to change 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.080 your mind. You should change your mind when presented with 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:40.520 new information. You are absolutely allowed to change your opinion 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.080 and or just your opinion and change your mind. It's 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:47.279 healthy you, nobody's good. Nobody should chastise you. Oh you 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.480 should this last week, blah blah bit No, like as 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.799 you I've done it, you've done it, we all do it. 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.600 Like as you get new information during this process. Absolutely 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.160 just you're allowed to do that. If you're somebody who's 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:00.880 been out on Will Campbell because of his arm length, 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:05.360 and you see this number and you think maybe you 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:06.680 believe it, and I'll give you a minute and a 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.759 reason why you should believe it, nobody's gonna be mad 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.320 at you for saying, oh, you know, well, I think 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.040 his arms are actually longer, So I'm in on Campbell now. 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:16.759 You're absolutely allowed to do that. 0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.880 Yeah, but I think really my message would just be 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.480 at this point ya, just trust your eyes, Like if 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.359 you think the player is a good player, yeah, and 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.360 you feel comfortable with the player off the tape, the 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.040 tape doesn't change. The arm lights have changed every single way. 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.240 The tape is consistent. The tape is the tape. 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.720 So here's where the arm like measurement is consistent. You're ready, 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:35.760 You're ready to exercise? 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.480 No, let me say one more thing, because I know 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.200 this is going to take a second, so I'll keep 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.280 on reiterating the same thing too. About where it shows 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.920 up on his film, I think he has a really 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.000 really good anchor and he's really strong, great course straight, 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.480 So I don't see it show up a ton on 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.759 bull rushes. I just don't, you know. I think when 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:58.440 he went up against Shamar Stewart, who's a really powerful 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.959 long bull rush. Sure he won some and he lost 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.880 the rights. That's offensive line play, but he held his 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:08.480 own like. It wasn't like Shamar Stewart was getting into 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.640 his chest and ragged alling him out of the way consistently. 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.879 I don't see that on his film. What I see 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:17.080 with Will Campbell is that he sets out too far. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.200 He overseets because he's trying to get out to those 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:22.560 high side rushers to try to keep them off the 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.000 outside right to get his hands on those guys. And 0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.680 because he doesn't have the length to reach out and 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.319 extend with good leverage, he gets a little bit over 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.520 zealous and he jumps out too far. So when he 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:38.799 drifts out, it inherently will open the inside. So what 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.279 you see a lot of Scorrton got him on it. 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.120 I think Canard got him on it once. You see 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:48.400 a lot of inside moves like spins crosses over his 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.480 face right into the inside gap. So those rushers, he 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.840 has a tough time with that type of guy, Like 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.480 a guy that's really twitched up, that can fake like 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.040 he's gonna go outside, Get him to commit to go 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.080 outside and then swim inside of him or rip inside 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.400 of him or spin inside of him like those guys 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:07.600 are gonna give him a little bit of trouble. Now, 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.160 can you coach that out of him? Is there improvements 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.799 that you can make? I'm sure, like you know, we'd 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:14.719 have to get you know, Dante Scarnecki on the line 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.880 and ask him right, but I'm sure there are. Okay, 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.600 But that's where it comes out to me on the 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.759 film with him at tackle is that he has to 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.440 be a little bit more aggressive in his past sets 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.479 because of the length, and then sometimes the really well 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.719 skilled and explosive rushers can make him pay for it. 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:36.400 But at the end of the day, we're talking about 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.080 one or two reps a game where it burns him. 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.359 So he has sixty eight great blocks and then they'll 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.799 have one or two where it comes out and burns him. 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:46.399 Now that's offensive line play, right. 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.759 So he talked about this, He gave that quote about 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.759 you know, you make one mistake and certainly people want 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.120 you to work in an Amazon warehouse. Yeah, how many 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.560 such plays would you for obviously for different reasons, guys 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.200 get beat? How many such plays would you say per 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:02.160 game a guy like Josh Kahn has on tape that 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:03.440 get beat. 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:09.799 Uh, I would say Ursery is more so in past 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.439 protection that he'll get beat. I don't know, maybe three 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.960 to five times a game. We're talking about college, right, 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:17.680 So that's the other thing I have to remember, Like 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:20.600 they're already man amongst boys in a lot of matchups. 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.000 So you know these guys, don't you know? Armand Membu 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.880 gave up eight pressures the entire year last year at Missouri. 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.839 Eight was on the right side the entire season, so 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.839 we're not talking about a ton and and I would 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.800 also mention, you know, with Campbell that has to be mentioned, 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.480 he played in a true pro style. 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.000 Drop back offense with the quarterback that had zero pockets. 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:44.520 Yeah, everybody loves the quarterback for good, good arm, but 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:45.600 you know, can throw. 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.000 He needs map quest to get out of the pocket. 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.320 So he didn't play in a r P O offense. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.359 He didn't play in a run heavy offense like Membo did. Uh, 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.160 he didn't play in an r PO scheme. He didn't 0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:02.640 play in a college offense. They had true traditional dropbacks 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.240 at LSU last year where he's blocking, true pass sets, 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.960 no play action, no bells, and whistles a lot more 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.640 than the other guys. So his flaws as a result, 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:16.040 especially down in the SEC where he's facing you know, 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:17.920 like I just mentioned a bunch of top one hundred 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.160 pass rushers almost on a weekly basis, there's a lot 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.000 more volume to like true pass blocking reps for Will 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.719 Campbell than these other guys. I would say that on 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.759 the whole. You know, he's the best pass protector in 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:31.240 the class. 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:33.520 Campbell Campbell, Yeah, yeah. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.319 Now there's the member of it all. We'll get to that, 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:36.799 but get to your numbers. 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:39.040 All right. So this is just again because I was 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.279 saying after the combine the numbers didn't add up, and 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.560 it was like me not being ready to quit Will 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.480 Campbell or anything. So just just for context. And by 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.600 the way, the LSC measurement at Cornet Field Yates was 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:53.640 taken by an NFL stafford, not somebody from LSU who's 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:55.839 gonna try to pump camp Just. 0:45:55.800 --> 0:46:00.480 To add to that, there's a Patriots staffer on his name. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.600 I'll look it up when you start talking. Who runs 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:04.759 all of the New England area pro days. Yeah, so 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.920 he ran the BC Pro Day, he runs the UMass 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.600 Pro Day. He does not work for Boston College. He 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.960 works for the Patriots. So that that's what you're talking about. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.560 You say that, So okay. So I went through and 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.839 I did some research. It's guards and tat there's a few. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.799 It's tackles with a few guards mixed in and I 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:25.360 think one center just to kind of there weren't a 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.600 ton of Shrine Bowl guys who went to the combine, 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.640 so I just to increase the sample size. So Will 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:36.040 Campbell from the combine to his showcase. So showcase is 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.600 pro DA Senior Bowl Shrine Bowl. Right, he lost three 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:45.080 eighths of an inch in our measurement. All right, that's 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.640 a big difference. Maybe they're trying to hang on. Josh 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.600 Connery and we're doing the Senior Bowl now, from the 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:54.719 Senior Bowl to the Combine lost half an inch. Arianta 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:59.560 Ursery seven eighths of an inch, Wow, Wyatt Milam four eighths, 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.759 Gray's Abel two eighths, Ozi Trapillo four eighths. And I 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:05.200 know that's a half, but it's just so it's all 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.960 scaled clay web five eighths. So those are just a 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:11.440 handful of guys. I picked out that one outlier. Somehow, 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.880 armand Membo gained like half an inch, so something different 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.439 happened with him. So you're saying, okay, So well, either 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.239 the Senior Bowl was off or the Combine was off. 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.080 Who do we believe? Well, the Shrine Bowl was off 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.920 by almost the same amount, So shrine ball. Holland Pierce 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.719 lost five eights of an inch, Drew Kendall lost five 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.200 eighths of an inch. Brandon Crenshaw Dixon lost four eighths 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.280 of an inch. Joshua Gray five eighths, Xavier Trust three eighths, 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:41.040 John Williams seven eighths, Joe Huber three eighths. So either 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.400 the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl were both somehow 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:50.640 off by the same approximate amount individually, or the combine 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.279 was wrong, which one's more likely. 0:47:55.360 --> 0:48:00.520 So, Paul Perrill, do I have to give credit? We'll 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.879 tell you that who has more skin in the game 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.880 for them to measure longer? The college All Star games 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.400 or the combine. The answers to college all Star games 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:11.960 like the Senior Bowl in the Shrine Bowl, which I 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:14.000 love both events, by the way, Yeah, have all the 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:14.840 reason to fliff up. 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.760 But then why hasn't it been done in the past 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.200 That numbers generally line up in the past. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.359 So the only question is that I you know, that's 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.880 a great question. You think maybe it's because it's a 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:24.760 short arm class. 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:26.719 Well, I'll say this. You think that the Senior Bowl 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:30.080 and the Shrine Bowl. What's the word I'm looking for 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.240 colluded on this? No, because they didn't seem too happy 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.200 with each other this year, definitely to get together on 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.040 a project. So if that's the case, the Senior Bowl 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:39.719 and the Shrine Bowl, and I maybe I should run 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:41.160 the hula bowl too. I don't know if they had 0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.080 any guys at the combine, Yeah, they would have had 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.360 to come together and say, Okay, we both need to overmeasure, 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.319 but we have to overmeasure between like a quarter and 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.040 seven a seven inch, and we got to get everybody 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.520 within that range in order to pump these guys up. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:59.640 And then we have to hope that people believe that 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.000 we didn't clude or like you get what I'm saying. 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.759 So much that would have to happen to be the 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.680 case a conspiracy. We need Michael Hurley for this. We're 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.960 turning into the conspiracy. Well, but like, look, if the 0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.720 NFL screwed up, they could have cost these kids some money. 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.120 So I don't know. I'd like to know what happened there. 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.160 Yeah, I would do. I mean, this is this is crazy, 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:21.440 This is absolutely banana. 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:23.000 I'm gonna put all the numbers up. I'm gonna I'm 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:24.479 gonna write something on this. I'll have all the numbers 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.480 up later if you want. But again, outside, I don't 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:28.640 know what happened with armand Membu. He's sort of a 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.680 weird outlier in this. And I didn't include Calvin Banks in. 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.360 Who's the other top tackle, Josh Simmons. Yeah, because I 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.600 don't have a second measurement for them. I couldn't find 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.480 the measurements from Texas's Pro day. Ohio States Proday is 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:43.680 going on right now. Neither one of them participating in 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:45.399 the Senior bowls, so we don't have or Shrine Bowl 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.000 or anything. So that's why those guys got left off. 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.280 But my guess is what I think Banks was thirty 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.480 three flat at the combine or like just over thirty 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.480 three at half an inch to it. Simmons whatever he 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.440 measured at the combine at half an inch to it, 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:01.839 I think we're gonna use the combine numbers for arm length. 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:04.520 We got to understand that's probably the lower end. So 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.840 maybe LSU gave Campbell a little bit of help this 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:11.520 independent staffer. But to go from the five eighths to 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.560 the seventies, even if that's the gap, that would be 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.440 on the low end of the misses. Again, most of 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.720 these guys are off by half an inch, if not more. 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.520 Arianta URSII, John Williams, we even talked about he's a 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:24.160 Day three pick from Cincinnati. They lost like a full 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:27.799 inch on their measurement. That's very different. Also, ers might 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:29.040 have thirty five inch arms. 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.239 Yeah, he's a big guy. There's no doubt, like that's 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:32.920 not a doubt like he's a big Yeah. 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.040 So that's just I'm just saying. You know, I'm generally 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.520 anti math, but in this case, follow the numbers. At 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:40.359 this point, put this away. I got what I need is. 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.560 Trust the film. Just trust the film. If you don't 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:44.040 like the player, you don't like the player. I'm not 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.600 gonna sit here and argue. We've argued about these players 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:48.880 at nauseum for months. I like the player. If you 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:50.799 don't like the player, don't get caught up. 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.680 In the arm light. Jesus, you know what I brought. 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:56.279 He thinks he's hilarious right now that the tay measured. 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.960 I mean we're talking about that's not the point and 0:50:59.040 --> 0:50:59.400 you know it. 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.520 Yeah, Or if you want to get caught up in 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.080 it again, I would just say that I think every 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.399 single team that it's going to be interested in Bill 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.080 Campbell is now going to have to get their own 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.400 independent arm length measurement because they can't trust the combine. 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.920 Right, And I guess my point is I don't think 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.120 that independent measurement is going to come in at five 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.040 eighths thirty two and five as I think it's gonna 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:19.600 be longer than that. 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:20.440 Thirty two and seventy eight. 0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.239 Thirty two and seven sounds right, thirty two and seven 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:26.759 eight well, but again, even that that would put him 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:28.520 on the low end of miss. 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:32.600 Thirty two and seven A sounds consistent and right to me, 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.600 just based off what we know about his arm being 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.480 a little bit shorter, and if you can give him 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:40.360 that extra eighth of an inch to get him to 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.920 the threshold, then things like the pro at the p 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:44.640 then you fluff it up. 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:44.839 Well. 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:46.839 I also think it's possible that a twenty one year 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:48.560 old grew a little bit in the course of a year, 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:50.560 because that that thirty two and seven A numbers from 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:51.040 a year ago. 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.200 So let me like put you in in other terms, 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.200 like if you run a forty at your pro day, yeah, 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.520 and you're four or five flat, doesn't it sound a 0:51:58.560 --> 0:51:59.120 little bit. 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:00.920 Better if it's four four and yeah? Yeah, I get 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:01.680 you're saying right. 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.279 So, like I could see that being the case. But 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.120 at the end of the day, if it's thirty two 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:07.000 and seven a's we're right there. We're right there. 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:08.920 But all right, So let's do this again. We did 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.399 this exercise last week and I don't think you loved it, 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.799 but you actually two different answers for we're going again 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.879 because you put me on the spot, Hunter and Carter 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:16.600 off the board. 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:20.479 Well, Campbell, the phone's not written yet. So last week 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:23.080 pounding the table. Okay, So here's here's what I wanted 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:24.200 to like point out. 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:26.480 Last week. It was very and I understand why I'm 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.880 not faulting you for it. There was some hemming and 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.920 hawing in a thought process. Now you're coming back, we 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:33.000 do that exercise again. 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:34.440 Gotta trust my instincts on this. 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.719 But now you're pounding the table. So you feel better 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:38.040 about it now than you did a week. 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:41.000 I feel better about it. I feel better and I'm 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.440 pounding the table for it. But I think it comes 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:47.200 back to the take that I've had about this entire draft. 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:47.920 Yeah, I keep on. 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:49.920 I feel like I'm taking crazy bills because no one 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:51.319 will listen to me when I say this. You know 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.120 I'm not saying you, but just in general, this is 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:56.680 not a blue chip draft. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:57.240 Nope. 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:02.280 So if we get to four on half night and Abdul, Carter, 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:06.120 and Travis Hunter are not there you are picking between 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:11.600 flawed options, right, everybody has an issue at that point. Yeah, 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:15.719 Will Campbell hast long enough armand Membu played the wrong 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.080 side of the offensive line. He's a right tackle And 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:19.399 I have a take on that in a second week 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:22.000 and get to after we get to some of these calls. Yep, 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:26.680 Ted McMillan slow, yeah, or he's not fast as you 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:27.320 not fast? 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:31.359 That is correct, right? Uh, Genty, Genty's a running back. 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:36.480 I actually have real quick aside if we're gonna positional 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.160 value thing aside, like actual makeup of the player, there 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.439 actually is a red flag for Genty. I was doing 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.880 some work on it. Yeah, he has seven hundred and 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:47.160 fifty touches in the last three years. That would be 0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.200 fifth in the NFL during that span. That he's a 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.239 young guy. That's a lot of mileage for running down. 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.520 That's a if they were gonna take Genty and we were, 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:55.800 you know, to come in here the next day and 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.080 talk about it after you're you know, done, just getting 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.640 in your feels, that would be my bigger concern than 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.960 the positional value. Is this is a guy that has 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:08.240 a lot Yeah, like you better maximize him early because 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:10.720 that's third contract, probably not second contract. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:12.640 Maybe I don't know the number off the top of 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:17.520 my head. Yeah, gent D feels very Zeke Elliott to me, 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.799 Wait many carries seek Elliot might not have gotten as 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:23.759 many because Ohio State has so many players that they 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:24.120 can turn. 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.719 They leaned on him, but I remember. 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:29.200 Them leaning on him. Dallas leaned on him early in 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.720 his career with the Cowboys. He had five really really 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.880 like all pro caliber years with Dallas and then it 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:37.320 dropped off a cliff. 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:39.960 So he had six hundred fifty. So we had one 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.400 hundred less touches than gent D in that three year span. 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:45.400 But I would say six hundred and fifty touches in 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.440 the Big ten a lot probably equates to seven fifty 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:49.760 in the Mountain West. 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:54.200 Last couple Tyler Warren, tight end Older, late breakout, late breakout, 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:57.080 Yeah right, you know all those types of things. The 0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.200 Georgia guys, you know, Jalen Walker's an undersized linebacker. He's 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:04.560 a two hundred and forty pound edge rusher, slash hybrid linebacker. 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:07.760 MIKEL Williams doesn't have the NFL the college production. 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:08.600 He's a project. 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:11.200 He's a project. Shamar Stewart definitely a project. 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:12.799 I don't even put him in that tier because there's 0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:14.920 so many other ed rushers ahead him. Calvin Banks. 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:19.160 Calvin Banks guard, you think so? I think some people 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:19.839 think he's a guard. 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:21.799 No, you you you're in the room. 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:25.000 Body control, balance, you know, being able to mirror on 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:28.080 an island, pass protection. Basically, that was a fancy way 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.600 of saying pass protection. You know, like those types of 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.720 all these guys, is my point. All these guys have warts. 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.080 They all have warts. And so what it comes back 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:40.600 down to with this draft is that, in my opinion, 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:44.680 this is a fits draft. This is a a needs draft. 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:46.920 You want to call it that, It's a fits draft. 0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:48.439 Best player for the football team. 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.480 This is the player that we need. This is the 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.799 player that we have a vision for. You know, this 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.040 is the player that fills a hole, that fills it, 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.120 that has an immediate pathway to high volume of snaps. 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:01.920 I don't think that there's going to be any separation 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.120 between that group in terms of grade on the player. 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:09.440 So when I continue to hear best player available, what 0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:13.280 happens when you know some teams they all use different 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.400 grading skills. Let's just go one to one hundred. 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:16.680 Yeah, okay, it makes it easy. 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:19.360 What happens when you have six guys that have a 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.560 eighty five all of them are be players. They all 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.080 graded out as eighty five. Right, what is going to 0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:29.240 be the deal breakers? Where should positional position, positional value, 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.160 how they interviewed, What do you like? 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:33.560 The kid? Do you like? 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.319 So these are the things that are going to matter 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.480 in a draft like this. I wish it was different 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:41.880 if they had a Joalt level prospect, if there was 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:45.560 a Molik Neighbors level prospect. You're not asking these questions, right, 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:48.200 You're not getting into this minutia. That's not the year 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:49.719 we're in. It's not the draft we're in. 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.040 Well, we kind of did this last year with Harrison 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.400 and Alt when we because we had the obligatory, like 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:59.240 if they don't go quarterback conversations, Alton Harrison were tied 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:02.799 and we went to positional value and things like that. 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.040 So it's the same thing, just with lesser caliber players. 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:08.200 But they're all the same within the draft, they're all 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:08.920 the same caliber. 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:13.080 Can't sleep until football season starts. Let's let Bob's discount 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:16.160 furniture help. 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All right, 0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:56.840 I know you guys have been waiting on the line 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:59.160 for a while. I appreciate it. We're gonna get to 0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:01.400 your phones right now now. Mark is in Connecticut. 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:02.000 What's up? Mark? 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.200 Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. As always, I 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:09.520 had a couple of things for you guys. Yay, yay, 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:13.200 we got thirty three inch arm yay. The big thing 0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:15.400 is Alex, I talked to you one ninety five the 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:16.720 sports up on Sunday morning. 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:17.640 I was right. 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.680 Two year deal is what this essentially looks like with 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.360 a third year option. Great deal, I think for the 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:27.600 value on it. So I'm very happy about that. Travis Hunter, 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:30.560 if we get him, I really think, like Evan was 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.520 saying earlier, this is a legit offense and I believe 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:38.440 a playoff contender. Now, if you're talking that, the last 0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:42.040 take is we need a guy I don't know. I'm 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:45.320 sure you guys remember him, but this guy was awesome. 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.200 Josh Gordon. I know we had problems off the field, 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:50.440 but when he was on the field in twenty eighteen, 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:53.760 he was a baller. I am thinking that's the type 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:57.200 of player Evan that you're trying to talk about. 0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:57.320 It. 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:58.080 Am I correct on. 0:58:58.040 --> 0:58:58.400 That, Evan? 0:58:58.560 --> 0:58:58.760 Yeah? 0:58:58.760 --> 0:58:59.280 Pretty close. 0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:00.760 Yeah, yeah, I think a little more speed. 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:02.880 Gordon was more at that stage of his career. 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:06.400 Yeah, that stage of his career. But yeah, no player 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.560 like that that would be would be great. And I 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:11.000 think with Hunter, like it just all comes down to 0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:14.200 if you draft Hunter, yeat to move back up and 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.000 get that tackle. Like, if it's Hunter and then you 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:17.880 move back up and you get a left tackle, you're 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:19.480 in great shape. 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:20.040 Exactly. 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:23.720 Love you guys, Thanks, Mark, appreciate it. A little bit 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.320 of more Will Campbell news from LSU's Pro Day. This 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:30.200 is from Jordan Reed to ESPN. Great great draft. Follow 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:33.240 if you don't already follow Jordan. Will Campbell has already 0:59:33.280 --> 0:59:36.040 visited the Patriots, so he's already had his thirty visit 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:39.120 with New England and apparently he also has one on 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:42.040 the books with the Las Vegas Raiders. Here, I'll just 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.640 read the tweet. LSU aligned Will Campbell conferred to us 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:47.400 on SEC network that he will not participate in the 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:49.480 pro day today and stand on his numbers from the 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.880 scouting combine. He has already visited the Patriots and will 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:56.320 visit the Raiders later this week. So Will Campbell, according 0:59:56.320 --> 1:00:00.120 to Will Campbell, already pretty good source, already been in 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:02.640 New England already on a thirty visit with the Patriots, 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:05.840 so that is extremely notable. Randall is in Texas. 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:06.200 What's up? 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:10.520 Randall? Randall you there? 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:13.240 What's up? All Right? 1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:15.520 Call back and we'll get you on. DC is in 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:16.720 New Hampshire. What's up, DC? 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:22.640 I was hoping you could help illuminate something for me, 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:26.600 which is how much impact a draft grading system actually 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:29.520 has on a team's draft board in their grades. Because 1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:33.280 when I heard like Craft and Vrabel allude to how 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:36.920 Elliott Woof didn't get to implement his system to. 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:41.040 Like a layman, like an idiot like me. I'm thinking, like, so, 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:42.560 what what difference does he make? 1:00:42.720 --> 1:00:44.720 It was he was still the guy. 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:45.520 Making the decision. 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:49.400 So I'm really wondering what would. 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:53.000 Last draft, How would it have impacted last draft? How 1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:55.600 it would have been different if he had this grading system? 1:00:55.640 --> 1:01:00.280 Then what might we expect to change for this upcome draft? 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:04.560 Any any clarity for an idiot like me? 1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:08.760 Much appreciated, thanks DC, And you're not You're not an idiot. 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:11.600 It's a good question. So I talked to Elliott Wolf 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:14.800 at the Senior Bowl about this a little bit, and uh, 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:18.640 he did mention that he wouldn't necessarily put a ton 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:21.720 of stock into the changing of the grading scale, But 1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:25.280 the idea of the change of the grading scale was 1:01:25.360 --> 1:01:30.720 more to just grade the player on the best player available, 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:36.640 versus being the Belichick scale, which was very role oriented. 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:39.479 Right like, we view this running back in an early 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:42.040 down roll, or we review this running back in the 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.720 third down back role, you know, allah James White, Right like, 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:48.800 they had early down linebackers, they had pass game linebackers, 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:51.919 they had base ends and they had pass rushing ends 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:53.840 like all the way down the board. It was a 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:57.600 very specific role, you know, slot receiver, inside receiver, outside receiver, 1:01:57.920 --> 1:02:00.680 and it had a vision of how does this fit 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:04.720 into the new England Patriots system schnatically and so at 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:07.960 times that would lead to certain players being higher on 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:11.520 the Patriots boards that might have been lower on let's say, 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:16.520 at consensus NFL board. And the idea for Elliott Wolfe 1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:17.960 and I believe this is how they do it in 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.840 Green Bay as well, was to just grade the player 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:24.800 in a vacuum like do we think Will Campbell is 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:27.920 better or armand Membu? Nor what role is he going 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:30.320 to play? You know, none of this other minutia. When 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:34.200 we're stacking the board, you know what determines that. Now, 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:36.640 at the end of the day, like I said, I 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:41.200 don't think it was a huge impact on last year's draft. 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:43.200 I don't think they necessarily would have changed a ton 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.439 about what they did and last year's draft. But that's 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:48.960 the idea of it. And just the last thing. The 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:52.520 reason why they couldn't fully change it from the Belichick 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:55.160 system to this new system is because all the in 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:57.840 person scouting Hay was already in the barn when they 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:00.760 made the coaching change. So a lot of the evaluation 1:03:00.920 --> 1:03:04.080 process is done in person, boots on the ground at 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:08.320 LSU at Ohio State and physically watching these players up 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.600 close at games, and so all those grades were already 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:15.000 in the books, so you can't redo the grades right 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:19.080 like the grade's already done. So they didn't really implement 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.520 it fully last season because of that. So this is 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:25.600 truly the first cycle in the draft where they've used 1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:29.840 entirely this new system of grading. So I hope that 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:31.800 that helps clarify some of that. 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:32.800 We'll see. 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:34.760 I don't know if it will have a major impact. 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:36.320 I don't want to over analyze it. 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.040 At the end of the day, it's sold just everybody's 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:41.760 evaluating the same players. I don't think it makes that 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:42.880 big of a difference. 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:46.960 Yep, I agree, all right, Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean? 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:53.360 Hey guys, I'm just wondering what the injury status will 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:55.960 be for Diggs. Do you think he'll be ready by 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:56.439 Game one? 1:03:56.480 --> 1:03:56.560 Like? 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:58.920 When is he going to be fully dressed? I'm playing 1:03:59.000 --> 1:03:59.560 for the past. 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:04.720 Yeah, thanks for the question. So Adam Schefter last night, yep, 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:08.320 straight from Stefanzik's agent, I assume, yeah, said that he 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.240 will be ready for a week one of the regular. 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:11.960 That he will be, but that like he could be. 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:14.120 He's tracking, tracking, find the. 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:18.040 Exactly week one. That seems lofty. That seems like a 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:21.600 high benchmark. Yeah, for what it's worth, and I'm not 1:04:21.640 --> 1:04:23.880 a doctor, don't pretend to be one, but for what 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:27.160 it's worth, he's posted some things on social media that 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:30.880 he's already running at full speed, which the Twitter doctors 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:33.440 tell me that is ahead of schedule. Right, for him 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:36.400 to be running at full speed five months removed from surgery, 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:37.880 that's a good sign. 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:39.040 Now. 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:42.640 Kendrick Bourne is the one we always kind of go 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:45.640 back to with this. He tore his ACL in twenty 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:49.800 twenty three late October, around exactly the same time of 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:53.520 twenty twenty three, and it took him almost a full year. 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:55.480 To get back eleven months, right, he came back at 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:57.040 the end of the beginning of October. 1:04:57.160 --> 1:05:01.760 Right, So I think realistically, twelve ish games of Stefan 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:04.560 Diggs in twenty twenty five is probably the realistic. 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:06.720 So the record if you want to call it that 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:10.680 for the ACLS. Famously, Adrian Peterson, who tours ACL on 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:13.120 Christmas was back for Week one and then won the 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:15.439 MVP because the guy was just we don't talk enough 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:18.120 about it. How impressive that was. Frankly, I knew he 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:20.440 had an eight month ACL recovery. I knew he had 1:05:20.440 --> 1:05:22.880 an MVP. I forgot that were the same year. What 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:28.120 a just amazing player. But you know, is it week one? 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:30.479 Ready for week one? What does that mean? Maybe he's 1:05:30.560 --> 1:05:35.800 ready to begin football activities week one? Remember last year 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:38.920 Kendrick Bourne talked about how he maybe could have played 1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:41.640 at the start of the season, but having those four 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:44.880 weeks to ramp up football wise made a big difference. 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:47.640 So maybe week one he's like technically ready, but they 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:50.080 give him that ramp up. I wonder if there's a 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:52.640 thing because you have that ability now. And I was 1:05:52.640 --> 1:05:55.720 actually just looking. The NFL just sent out like the 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:59.000 updated rule change proposals and they are formalizing that thing 1:05:59.000 --> 1:06:01.960 that they added last year where you can choose two 1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:05.320 players who don't make the initial fifty three and designate 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:09.120 them to return. So I forget exactly what the rules 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.439 are about how involved those players can be in camp? Yeah, 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:13.120 but is it something where they maybe they. 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:16.760 Can't be if they can't. Okay, so well, actually, no, 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:19.360 I take that back. You can't be on pup in 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:23.120 practice right once you practice, you you're ineligible for pup 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:26.120 injured reserve. You could technically practice and then go on. 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.600 So I wonder if it's a thing where maybe, and 1:06:28.960 --> 1:06:30.600 maybe I'm wrong on this, I have to really go 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:32.680 and look at the rule. Yeah, I was gonna do 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:35.720 that this morning, and then the little stuff happened. Do 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:38.600 they get Digs back maybe in August around when the 1:06:38.600 --> 1:06:41.360 preseason starts, just to get him on the field with Drake, 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:44.880 may get the early steps in. He then goes on 1:06:44.960 --> 1:06:48.760 that ir designated return. He continues his ramp up for 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.400 four weeks, and then boom, he hits the ground running 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:54.320 week five. That might be like a best case scenario 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:56.400 kind of thing. Yeah, I'm assuming I gotta look up 1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:56.760 that rule. 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:59.840 I'm expecting to see him in October at some point 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:02.640 I think is realistic. If it's week one, great, but 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:07.080 I'm not expecting week one. I'm hoping week one, expecting October. 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:09.880 Either way, though, he should be healthy to play the 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:12.680 majority of the season, Like this isn't a situation where 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:15.080 he's going to be back in December. Right, it should be, 1:07:15.400 --> 1:07:15.720 and I. 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:17.800 Will say it what I think helps. I haven't seen 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:19.360 the medicals. I'm not a doctor. I don't know, but 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:22.480 from everything I've read, sometimes when guys tear their acls 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:23.880 like this is this is the case for you? Right? 1:07:24.360 --> 1:07:27.160 It was ACL MCL and I think he did something 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:31.160 else too, Right, we're PCL or whatever. Other meniscus blah 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:33.480 blah blah, this and that. As far I can tell, 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:35.640 with Diggs, it's just the ACL. 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:37.520 They didn't non contact aco, they. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.280 Didn't have to fully rebuild his knee or anything like that. 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:44.520 It was the one ligament. So that has to help, right, Yep. 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:46.600 I'm trying to find the we take this next comment? 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:48.120 All right, Randall's back in Texas? 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:48.360 Was that? 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:48.840 Randall? 1:07:50.440 --> 1:07:50.600 Hey? 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:51.120 What's going on? 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:51.600 Evan? 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:52.600 Hey? 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:55.960 Yeah, listen to for a year now. I just want 1:07:56.000 --> 1:07:57.680 to give you all a shout out, man, because I've 1:07:57.800 --> 1:08:00.200 started listening to podcast recently, and I've been listening y'all 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:02.360 since we started the draft and when y'all we got 1:08:02.440 --> 1:08:03.400 Drake May last year. 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:05.440 Thank you. I appreciate it. 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:07.720 Yeah. 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.320 So I have a couple of questions actually. First off, 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:12.400 now that we have Steffan Diggs, do you think it's 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:14.800 kind of redundant to drafts Ed mc miller at umber four? 1:08:15.320 --> 1:08:17.840 And also let's say we do document number four, do 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:20.000 you feel like who do you feel like would be 1:08:20.280 --> 1:08:23.479 I guess the roster cut after if you weren't a draftman, 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:26.280 for example, because we would have like what seven may 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:29.639 receivers after that on the team now from tennim milling, 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:32.080 who do you think would be like cut candidates that 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:32.639 were to happen. 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:36.000 Yeah, Randall, that's a really good question. I thought about 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:38.320 this too, and I know that it's kind of crazy 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:41.800 to think about because the Patriots we've been starving for 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:43.800 talent at that position, and you're not going to turn 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:48.200 away talent at the receiver position. But numbers are numbers, 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:50.479 Like there's only so many roster spots, and if you 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:52.640 draft another receiver with a high draft pick, that's a 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:56.360 guaranteed roster Locke, He's right, you're talking about having I 1:08:56.400 --> 1:08:59.080 believe eight receivers on the roster that I'll have a 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:02.120 chance to make the team. It would be the rookie Diggs, 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:06.639 MATC Collins, Pop Douglas, Kaishawan Boody, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, 1:09:06.720 --> 1:09:09.880 Kendrick Bourne. That's a big group, that's it. Yeah, it's 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:10.400 a big group. 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:11.920 But you are going to have an extra roster spot 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:13.240 at the beginning, probably for Diggs. 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:15.240 But still it's a why would you have an extra 1:09:15.280 --> 1:09:16.640 rosspot because he's like on I R. 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:20.000 Potentially I'm talking about once you get in the regulars. 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:22.920 Yeah, that that's eight guys. You want to call it 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:25.719 seven because of Digs a situation that it might be seven, 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:29.000 you could keep six and you could do it that way. 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:32.080 My guess is is that whoever is the odd man 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:34.559 out is they do try to look for a trade. Yeah, 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:37.519 and I love Kendrick Bourne, but it's possible that he 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:39.960 could be involved in a trade as a veteran receiver 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:43.559 with some some cachet, with a resume of success in 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:46.280 the league. I think you get to the point there 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:49.679 where you you might have to offload one of those guys, 1:09:49.680 --> 1:09:52.320 whether it's releasing one of the young players that that 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:54.519 just isn't gonna cut it, or it's trading a guy 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:57.360 like Kendrick Bourne for whatever you can get for him 1:09:57.439 --> 1:09:59.720 just to make room on the roster. But it's a 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:03.479 fair question. Even though again I'm not saying don't draft 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.200 Travis Hunter or Tech McMillan because you have too many receivers. 1:10:06.240 --> 1:10:08.800 Nobody's saying that, but it would cause a crunch a 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:10.320 little bit at that position. You'd have a lot of 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:10.880 players there. 1:10:10.920 --> 1:10:12.800 And I just the first part of question, I don't 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:14.639 think McMillan's were done. And by the way, I found 1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:16.080 the rule, and I should have known this from last 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:19.240 year because Christian Barmore technically practice, yep, and they designated 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:22.040 him return. So you could absolutely if Diggs is ready 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:24.320 to practice in mid to late Oh. 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:27.800 Yeah, No, the question is, yeah, if he practices, he 1:10:27.840 --> 1:10:30.519 can place him on injured reserve. There's no problem right now. 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.760 Technically he's supposed to have an injury, and I know 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:35.800 he does, but like it's he's supposed to have an 1:10:35.800 --> 1:10:39.000 injury that happened, right, like I guess, yeah, yeah, But 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:41.240 you could always just say that the knee's not ready, right. 1:10:41.280 --> 1:10:44.320 You know, there's a big difference between being clean. It'd 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:46.680 be I think that would pass. I don't know. You 1:10:46.680 --> 1:10:48.080 don't want to lose a draft pick over it. 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:52.320 No, no, no, I'm not like going there. I'm just saying, like, technically, 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:55.400 injured reserve is because somebody got hurt and how they're 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:58.280 going on injured reserves. But Isahle's out there suffers a 1:10:58.320 --> 1:10:59.960 concussion and he's on injured reserve. 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:02.639 What I'm describing though, is like he'd probably be out 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:05.240 there in a red non contact jersey, is probably only 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:07.160 doing one on like one on ones if dad, he's 1:11:07.200 --> 1:11:09.760 not doing team drills like a guy that's clearly not 1:11:09.920 --> 1:11:13.040 ready for the season. Yep, I would say Counts is injured. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:16.360 I think that that's totally fair. Being able to practice 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:18.200 and being able to play or two completely different things. 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:21.559 Yeah, he takes him off the pup possibility, right, but 1:11:21.640 --> 1:11:22.599 it definitely puts. 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:24.760 Him on ir possibility. Like, look, if he's playing in 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:26.720 preseason games, I see why that would be weird. But 1:11:26.720 --> 1:11:28.760 I don't think he's playing a preseason game. Yep. 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:31.040 All right, Patty is an Agua on what's up. 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:35.240 Patty Cup guys, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:40.400 So I had a couple of questions. The first one 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:42.160 I'll take on there if that's okay. The second one 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:47.080 I'll take off there. So just what it's scenario? They 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:50.720 Carter and Hunter, I got it for. We take Will 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:55.360 Campbell and the brain Trust to stand, we're going to 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:58.120 take a receiver at pick thirty eight with our or 1:11:58.240 --> 1:12:00.599 with our second pick, whether they trade up thirty eight 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:05.360 trades and whatever. Now, we know historically from Wolf's days 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:09.800 in Green Bay that he favored taller, rengier receivers, and 1:12:09.840 --> 1:12:14.559 we know that historically with Josh McDaniels, they like kind 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:18.559 of the smaller, shiftier slot guys. Now, let's say the 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:22.519 choice comes down between the two Iowa State guys. Could 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:25.960 you see like that getting contentious with Wolfe or do 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:27.920 you think like he would just defer to his coaching 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:30.719 staff and say, you know, all right, if you guys 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:32.400 wanting to well, do you think he's a better fit 1:12:32.479 --> 1:12:36.839 for the system we're gonna run, We'll go with them. 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:37.360 Uh. 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:40.080 Yeah, No, I think that they would defer to the coaches. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:41.800 Thanks for the call, And I don't think that's something 1:12:41.800 --> 1:12:44.360 that happened on draft night. Those are conversations that are happening. Yeah, no, 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:47.800 And everything that he said, Elliot Wolfe has said since 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:51.120 the combine really is that he wants to pick players 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:52.760 if the coaches want to coach, like, he wants to 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:54.960 get guys to coaches like. I don't think he's going 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:56.880 to force. I think the exact line he gave was 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:59.799 that I'm not going to force players on the coaching staff, 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:01.800 and I don't think that he's in the business of 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:04.760 doing that. So if they truly feel h strongly as 1:13:04.760 --> 1:13:07.200 a staff, as a coaching staff, that Jalen Noel is 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:09.639 a better player than Jayden Higgins for them, then they'll 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:10.080 take Noel. 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:12.280 It was the second question. I think that was the 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:13.400 only question he said he had. 1:13:16.160 --> 1:13:18.120 All right, I want to get into this question though 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:18.840 from Floyd. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:20.920 The second question is always like really nerdy ones. 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:24.680 He can email it in her callback, Patty before we 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:26.200 get to the rest of these phones. I do want 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:28.800 to answer this question because I think it's a it's 1:13:28.840 --> 1:13:31.080 the next on my dock and we kind of got lost. 1:13:31.320 --> 1:13:33.800 Is this your take? No, But okay, guys, I want 1:13:33.840 --> 1:13:34.200 to get to that. 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:36.439 But this is I go ahead, lost in the sauce 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:39.640 of the Campbell arm length conversation a little bit. But uh, 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:42.960 this is from Floyd and Michigan, not emailing it about 1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:45.400 Mason Graham for once, which is nice. 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:47.519 And Floyd says, could you please. 1:13:47.320 --> 1:13:50.040 Discuss the signing of Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston and 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:53.479 the impact on the draft for the Giants. So last 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:55.599 night on Twitter, Alex I got finger wagged. I got 1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:59.080 finger wagged big time. How dare you on Twitter for 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:04.040 suggesting that maybe the Giants having two veteran quarterbacks under 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.920 contract could take them out of the quarterback sweepstakes? And 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:08.439 how could I? 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:11.559 Like? How could I? Because I've gotten fingerwack for that too. 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:14.840 Let me just point this out. Yeah, the Giants being 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:17.360 out of the quarterback conversation at three and the Giants 1:14:17.439 --> 1:14:20.960 being out of the quarterback conversation period or two different things. Right. 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:24.519 Maybe it's you know, Brian day Ball is coaching for 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:26.680 his job. Joe Shane is building this team for his 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:28.920 job right now. And you could look at it one 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:30.559 of two ways. You could look at it and say, 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:33.599 they want as many options as possible to make sure 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:35.599 they're good, or maybe they want a young quarterback so 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:38.040 that ownership has to keep more undeveloped that guy. But 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:41.720 if they feel like Russell Wilson with Jamis Winston is 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:44.479 like a floor, they may look at it and say, well, 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:47.040 let's get these guys on the weapon. We don't necessarily 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:49.280 believe in these quarterbacks as much. And then you know, 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:53.080 how big is the gap between to them? So this 1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:54.920 is the one thing I don't think the Giants are 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:58.599 abdol Carter doesn't make sense for them. The one thing 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:02.320 they have is edge. So if you get Carter and 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:04.360 Hunter on the board for them, it's quarterbacks one two. 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.040 If they're just not going quarterback, right, let's say armand 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:08.479 Membu go second. I've seen that in a couple of 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:12.479 mont drafts. Yeah, I think it's Hunter not Carter, and 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:14.400 then Carter falls to the Patriots. But do they look 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:17.280 at it and say, well, all right, what's the gap 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:22.000 between Hunter and say who's a Oman or I guess 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:24.400 would be the guy right or Luther Burton? Even what's 1:15:24.439 --> 1:15:27.840 the gap between Hunter and Luther Burden versus the gap 1:15:27.880 --> 1:15:31.880 between Shader Sanders and Jackson Dart If he falls, maybe 1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:34.160 they trade back up, or Jackson Dart and Will Howard 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:39.080 or Jackson Dart or sorry, Shoulder Sanders and Jalen Miller, 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:42.680 Shadeur Sanders and Will Howard or something like that. Do 1:15:42.800 --> 1:15:44.280 they look at it and say, well, let's just we 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:46.680 have Russell Wilson, who we know can handle himself, got 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:49.160 a team in the playoffs last year, kind of let's 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:52.439 just get him another weapon and then we'll you know, 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:55.160 we'll develop Millrow, or we'll develop Dart, or will develop 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:58.639 Howard or something like that. I could see that being there. 1:15:58.720 --> 1:16:00.639 That makes as much sense to me is them going 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:01.639 quarterback at three. 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:02.600 Makes more sense to me. 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.000 So a couple of things, well, all depends how they 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:05.960 feel about you shed there, But. 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:09.400 A couple of things. One, I agree with your line 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:12.240 of thinking completely. To me, if you wanted to take 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:14.240 a quarterback at the top of the day and you're 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:16.360 gonna target Shadoor Sanders at the top of the draft, 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:19.719 there's no reason to sign two bridge quarterbacks, right, There's 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.240 no reason for it. You would sign your Jacoby Brissett, 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:25.040 who probably would have been Jameis Winston, right, and you 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:27.719 would have drafted Shador and you would have done exactly 1:16:27.720 --> 1:16:30.040 what the Patriots did last season with Drake May and 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:33.439 Jacoby Brissett. You would have had the exact same setup. Yeah, 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:37.760 for a regime, and Brian Dable and Joe Shane, who 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:40.800 are coaching and GMing for their jobs right now, who 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:43.040 are on the hottest of hot seats, like I think 1:16:43.080 --> 1:16:44.679 they might have the hottest seat in the NFL. 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:46.840 They yeah, probably they are on. 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:50.679 The hottest of hot seats. Drafting Shador Sanders to sit 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:53.960 him behind Russell Wilson does not help them keep their 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:54.960 jobs at all. 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:56.200 No, at all. 1:16:56.240 --> 1:16:58.879 And I understand everybody brings up the Michael Pennock situation 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:01.719 in Atlanta. It was a first year coach in Atlanta. 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:04.400 They had some leeway, they had some rope, And I 1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:07.479 would also add, well, they also probably thought that Michael 1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:09.760 Penix was a really damn good quarterback. I don't think 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:12.360 Shador has thought of in that way. And the last thing. 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:14.320 I'll do, we don't think Pennix was thought of in 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:16.280 that way last year. But I'll just honest I had 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:18.320 a credit Fred Toucher for this because I was talking 1:17:18.360 --> 1:17:21.280 to him about this yesterday. Do you think that there's 1:17:21.320 --> 1:17:26.040 any chance that Shown or Shane and Dave Ball look 1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:29.519 at it as we all right, we're gonna go to ownership. Hey, 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:31.360 we just drafted this kid. You got to keep us 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:33.960 here to develop him because if you fire us, the 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:35.880 next guys might not want him. And now you blew 1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:37.920 this pick. Do you think that there's any chance that 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:40.519 they see drafting him as kind of giving themselves a 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:42.519 lifeline a life jacket, if anything. 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:45.280 Drafting him would give them a lifeline by playing him 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:47.799 and saying we got to work out the rookie quarterback 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:48.439 quirks well. 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:51.080 But like either way, I'm saying, like there's an argument 1:17:51.080 --> 1:17:52.800 you made that drafting him one way, like you have 1:17:52.840 --> 1:17:55.360 to play him. Maybe they don't plan on play. Maybe 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:57.719 they think Russell Wilson is like a high level bridge. 1:17:57.800 --> 1:18:01.200 So Russell Wilson is getting paid ten million dollars of 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.360 guaranteed money that for next year. 1:18:03.439 --> 1:18:04.599 That's the last year. 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:08.400 Eight Yeah, but not ten and no it wasn't. 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:10.479 I think it was eight total. I think it was 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:10.920 eight total. 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:15.479 Anyways, my point is this with the Giants, you can 1:18:15.520 --> 1:18:17.559 look at it one of two ways. If you're a 1:18:17.560 --> 1:18:20.360 Patriots fan that's hoping that that they're gonna have Abdul 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:22.400 Carter or Travis Hunter fall in their laps at four, 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:25.479 the class half full is is that the New York 1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:29.519 Giants either I guess there's three ways they do it anyway, right, 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.640 and they draft shed Door at three overall and have 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:35.639 three quarterbacks in the room. They the Browns take Shador, 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:38.599 which would obviously help if it's one two cam Ward 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:42.200 Shadoor Sanders. My fear and my fear all along with 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:46.000 this quarterback class is that I don't think the league 1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:48.719 is as high on Shadoor Sanders as the outside noises. 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.599 I just I think that's been the reporting, and that's 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:54.280 been the sense, that's been the feel going all the 1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:57.680 way back to January. And what happens is is we 1:18:57.720 --> 1:19:01.720 get thrust into the draft and all, and we go 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:03.800 months and months and months, and we turn and turn 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:07.400 and turn, and usually by the time that April twenty 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:09.479 fifth rolls around her twenty fourth or whatever it is, 1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:11.840 we're back to square one, which is this is the 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:15.120 board that was set in January, based off the scouts 1:19:15.160 --> 1:19:17.400 and the tape back in the football season. 1:19:17.479 --> 1:19:17.639 Right. 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:20.280 So the whole take that I have right now is 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:23.519 Shador is that I think it's just as likely that 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:26.240 we're gonna see a Shador Sanders slide as it is 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:27.960 that we're going to see him go in the top three. 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:30.639 Like I think that there's a chance that nobody wants 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:32.680 you to door in the top three. And the last thing 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:34.639 that I you know, reason why I feel that way 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:37.680 it feels to me is everybody's looking for a lifeboat 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:41.200 to escape drafting Shador Sanders High. Like everybody's looking for 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:47.000 their Russell Wilson, their t Smith, their Aaron Rodgers, potentially 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:49.800 Kirk Cousins in Cleveland. There's a lot of smoke there. 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.080 Somebody's gonna get left on the outside though. There's not 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:55.320 a game of musical chairs. There's not enough seats, and 1:19:55.360 --> 1:19:56.160 maybe that is the. 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:58.439 But it could be in the New Orleans Saints, or it 1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:01.360 could be the Pittsburgh Steel or you know, it's not 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:03.400 going to necessarily be one of those times three teams 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:03.960 real quick. 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:04.240 Uh. 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:07.000 Brissett got seven million guaranteed here last year. Okay, so 1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:09.280 Wilson attends it's a little gap, but the cap went up, 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:13.400 but as a definitive backup this year, definitive backup. You 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:15.760 know which Kobe re Set got for guaranteed money? What 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:19.240 eight million? Wow? I don't think ten million dollars guaranteed 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:22.000 is like a locked in starting quarterback contract. 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:25.000 Maybe it's I just don't think that signing. I think 1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:28.640 signing both those quarterbacks doesn't smell quarterback at three. Like 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:31.120 if they had just signed Jamis or if they had 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:34.400 just signed Russell Wilson, absolutely then quarterback at three is 1:20:34.600 --> 1:20:38.480 much really in play. Bringing all three of those quarterbacks, 1:20:38.560 --> 1:20:39.519 it just doesn't make anything. 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:42.759 I just check out. I default two teams get weird 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:44.280 and stupid at the quarterback position. 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:46.880 So maybe the rule the stupid team is Cleveland, in 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:50.320 which case that's but but I would just say if 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:53.519 it's Cleveland, I don't think that's the best case scenario 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:55.479 for the Patriots either, because I think the Giants go 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:56.160 Travis Hunter. 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.800 Yeah. I well, some people would argue Abdul Carter is 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:00.840 a better outcome than try was Hunter because he's a 1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:02.639 better player, but I wouldn't. 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:05.840 But I'm not saying that it's because he's not a 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:06.439 better player. 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:08.479 I have him as a better because you want offense. 1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:10.519 I want to and that's fair. That's a fair argument. 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.760 Multiple teams can get done at quarterback, and I would 1:21:13.800 --> 1:21:15.880 say you are. It's already a position where teams are 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:18.800 willing to really over extend themselves and get desperate. You 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:20.559 bring up the Michael Pennox move, which I'm on the 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:24.479 record is liking. That's a desperate move. It worked out, 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:27.160 but that's a desperate, Hail Mary kind of move. I 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:27.519 don't know. 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:29.360 I feel like that's not a desperate move to me, 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:32.080 that was trusting your scouting, like they thought that Michael 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:34.120 Pennix was a franchise I could get back, and he 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:36.280 fell into their laps there and they couldn't pass on 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:39.000 the franchise quarterback. I just don't think that they don't 1:21:39.000 --> 1:21:40.840 think the scouts like the other players there too. I 1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:42.720 just don't think that the league views should here that way. 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:46.000 So okay, but but here's my point, like teams will 1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:48.280 we already know teams will get desperate in a little 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:50.680 out of pocket with the quarterback situation to begin with. 1:21:51.040 --> 1:21:54.599 You compound that with you have both the head coach 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:57.519 and the GM having the hottest seat in the league 1:21:57.560 --> 1:22:02.200 at their respective positions. The Giants are in perfect position 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:05.760 to do something totally crazy, whether it works or not, 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:08.160 whether it's the right decision or not. I don't think 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:11.200 you could take anything off the table, whether it's taking 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:13.680 a quarterback at three, whether it's passing on three and 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:16.240 going to thirty eight, whether it's taking quarterbacks at three 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:18.920 and thirty eight, whether it's not taking a quarterback at all. 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:21.840 I don't think there's anything the New York Giants can 1:22:21.840 --> 1:22:24.599 do at this point. There's one thing that would surprise me, Frankly, 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:28.160 and it's if they take Abdul Carter anything else. You 1:22:28.240 --> 1:22:30.519 tell me they take Will Campbell, You tell me they 1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:34.240 take Ted McMillan again, multiple quarterbacks, no quarterbacks. I don't 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.160 think there's anything the Giants can do at this point 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:38.120 that would surprise me. To me, it's all on the 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:38.760 table with them. 1:22:39.400 --> 1:22:41.640 I just look at the Giants right now, and you 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:45.200 mentioned it. They need to win point blank right in 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:48.320 twenty twenty five. Yes, they need to win in twenty 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:51.400 twenty five, and you know, maybe Fred Toucher and you 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:54.479 will be right about it, buying them some leash if 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:57.160 they had to develop this young quarterback like Shador Sanders. 1:22:58.160 --> 1:22:59.880 I don't look at it that way. I think that 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.439 this is the Maras are gonna look at this as 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:05.320 a results based season. Are you do you get to 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:07.280 our floor wind. 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:07.720 Total or not? 1:23:07.960 --> 1:23:10.439 Like if let's say they said it at six seven games, 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:12.599 do you win seven games or do you not? If 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:15.120 you do well, you get another year. If you don't, 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:17.160 you're out. Like it's I really think it's gonna be 1:23:17.240 --> 1:23:21.280 that cut and dry. What helps the Giants win seven 1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:24.479 plus games next year? The most sitting, drafting and sitting 1:23:24.520 --> 1:23:26.880 Shadoor Sanders for a portion or all of the season, 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:28.519 or drafting Travis Hunters. 1:23:28.640 --> 1:23:31.240 So that's a very logical way to look at it. 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:34.400 But are they sitting there and saying, we need to 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:37.160 make sure we have a viable quarterback this year? Jamis 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:40.400 Winston's erratic, Russell Wilson is old, do we want to 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:43.120 make sure we have a third option? So even if 1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:47.040 we get here's the thing, Wilson and Winston both have 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:51.280 their questions, your your jobs on the line. Would you 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:57.280 spend like you're gonna go to Tommy DeVito. I guess 1:23:57.080 --> 1:24:00.040 it's it's not necessarily a logical way of looking at it, 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:01.000 But I'm saying you have to. 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:03.800 Question it doesn't that's not how teams typically operate. 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:05.719 Let me put it. It's not it's not how teams 1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:08.240 typically Well again, I go back to the Penix thing. 1:24:08.280 --> 1:24:09.679 Okay, but the Penix thing was different. 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:14.160 But it's not. It's teams getting weird about the quarterback coaching. 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:16.240 Staff in the in the general manager in Atlanta or 1:24:16.280 --> 1:24:18.679 in a much different place. That has to be said, 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:19.960 like they're in a much different right. 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:23.120 They had less incentive to do something like that. The 1:24:23.160 --> 1:24:25.440 Giants are more incentivized to grasp. 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:27.519 But straws they had more incentive though, to take some 1:24:27.960 --> 1:24:32.160 on a on a weird pick. I guess you can't 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:34.880 if you're the Giants. You cannot draft a player at 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.479 three overall that doesn't play as a rookie. You can't 1:24:37.520 --> 1:24:39.840 do that as a as an organ, as a regime. 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:42.479 Unless they think, unless they think less of Russ than 1:24:42.520 --> 1:24:47.400 we're maybe projecting something because they're really nervous about quarterback 1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:48.320 and they it's that. 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:49.120 Doesn't make sense. 1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:51.880 Is it possible. I'm not saying it makes sense, but 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:53.920 teams have done it. It's kind of like, as I'm 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:56.559 speaking through it now, are they taking the Are they 1:24:56.560 --> 1:24:58.479 gonna take the same approach a quarterback that the Patriots 1:24:58.479 --> 1:25:00.680 took at the offensive line last year? Well, let's just 1:25:00.720 --> 1:25:06.160 get bodies, Let's just get as many bodies. And so 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:08.400 this is what I'm saying. So maybe it's not at three, 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:10.080 but I'm not rolling out. And by the way, within 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:16.599 all of this, and yes day Ball and Shane hot seat, 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:19.880 shouldn't Kevin Stefanski's seat be just as hot? The Browns 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:21.639 haven't made the playoffs in five years. 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:23.599 I'm not rolling out to Brown's taking Sha Door. 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:26.200 I'm like the Browns. We could have the same conversation 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.840 about are you betting your job? Like I feel better 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:30.560 betting my job on Russell Wilson than I do on 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:33.160 Kenny Pickett. And I don't feel great about Russell Wilson, 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:35.759 but I feel better about Russell Wilson than Kenny Pickett. 1:25:36.360 --> 1:25:39.560 I am not taking anything off the table for anybody. 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:43.559 But if I had to guess, the Giants know one 1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:47.040 of two things. Chador stinks, nobody wants you Door yep, 1:25:47.479 --> 1:25:48.760 which I think is a possibility. 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:50.680 What if this all just is them getting turn the 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:51.600 second round. 1:25:52.320 --> 1:25:54.960 That's I'm not totally ruling that out, or like late 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:58.439 first round trade up situation. Chador stinks and nobody wants 1:25:58.479 --> 1:26:02.920 him because in my mind, everybody's running for an escape 1:26:03.000 --> 1:26:06.519 route from drafting Shador standers. The Saints brought back Derek 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:10.960 Carr for God only knows what reason. Right The Raiders 1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:15.560 traded for Gino Smith. The Giants signed multiple bridge quarterbacks. 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:18.639 The Seahawks paid Sam Donald one hundred million. 1:26:19.280 --> 1:26:22.919 The Seahawks paid Sam Darnald. The Steelers are gonna potentially 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:27.480 sign Aaron Rodgers. They all are getting. 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:29.040 Quarterbacks pay justin fields. 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:32.960 Sure, they all are getting quarterbacks to avoid having to 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:35.439 reach on a quarterback in the draft, and I think 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:37.720 a lot of them probably would feel like Shador in 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:40.679 the top five is a reach. Now the glass half 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.760 full again, is that maybe the quarterbacks are going one 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.519 to two and the Giants know it, so they know 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:48.920 they're not gonna get one, unlike the Patriots last year 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:51.120 who had three with three quarterbacks, right, and so they 1:26:51.160 --> 1:26:54.320 had to go other, go elsewhere with the quarterback. Now 1:26:54.360 --> 1:26:58.000 it's that's still okay for the Patriots, it's not My 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:00.599 ideal is still Travis Hunter. So I don't think that's ideal. 1:27:00.720 --> 1:27:02.400 But you're still getting ad to a carter, which is. 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:04.479 Great, or maybe a haul in a trade down. Yeah. 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:05.759 I know that's sensitive subject. 1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:10.120 But another one I got fingered right, yeah, the same person. Anyways, 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:12.840 let's get into armand Membu here a little bit and 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:14.799 then well we'll wrap up some of these calls. 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.960 Uh wait, same person. What Oh, I know what you're 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:18.439 talking about now? 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:18.800 Yeah? 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:23.880 Uh with armand Membu, so we're getting a lot of calls, 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:26.479 getting a lot of emails about him at four. Overall, 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:30.639 my feeling on armand Membu and I did some digging 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:33.160 on this, and I asked around about this to a 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:37.240 couple of people that would know My feeling on armand 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:39.760 membu is that there's almost I would say there is 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:43.839 just as small as a sample size of career college 1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:48.400 right tackles flipping sides to left tackle and being good 1:27:48.520 --> 1:27:53.439 successfully successfully. Yeah, you're really looking at one guy and 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:56.960 then like one and a half. Okay, Tristan Wharf's is 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:58.920 the is the one right if you want to point 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:00.920 to somebody, just like we point to some of the 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:03.920 shorter tackles with Will Campbell and say that the guy 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:07.759 that the Shawn Slater is the guy for Will Campbell 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:09.960 in terms of shorter arm tackles that made it in 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:13.280 the NFL. If you're looking for that guy, then Tristan 1:28:13.320 --> 1:28:15.679 WARF's is the guy. He was a college right tackle. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:18.880 He actually played his first season at right tackle in 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:20.120 Tampa Bay. I forget who it was. 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:22.280 Who do they haven't left Donald Penn? 1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:24.080 They had somebody at left tackle, might have been Donald 1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:28.639 Penn for Brady's Super Bowl year, Tristan Worf's played right tackle. 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.360 Oh it was Donovd Smith, right, Donovan Smith. 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:34.960 Yeah, it's one of those guys that guy moved on, retired, whatever, 1:28:35.360 --> 1:28:38.040 and Tristan Worfs has since flipped and is an All Pro. 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:41.000 He's fantastic, He's one of the best. Him and Penny 1:28:41.000 --> 1:28:44.919 Soel are the two best tackles in football in Trent Williams. 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:48.960 So that's your guy if you want that to happen. 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:52.400 But yeah, it was Donald Smith, the other guy, the. 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:55.320 Half guy like Jedrick Wills did it. I don't know 1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:57.439 if we count Jedrick Wills as like a great player. 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:02.759 If they take Jedrick Will it four overall, I'm with you, yeah, yeah, 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:04.000 so do that later in the draft. 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:06.920 Jedrick Wills did it, and then the other couple are 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:11.000 attempting to do it. Tyler goeighton Talisa Fugala, who I 1:29:11.040 --> 1:29:14.040 don't know is gonna continue to do that. Jac Latham 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:17.160 and Tennessee did it his rookie season, and then they 1:29:17.160 --> 1:29:19.320 signed Dan Moore Junior to the worst contract in free 1:29:19.320 --> 1:29:22.760 agency to move jac Latham back to right tackle. Right 1:29:22.840 --> 1:29:25.920 So Tyler Goetton like was on and off the bench 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:28.599 all year long in Dallas trying to play left tackle 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:31.479 as a college right tackle, and jac Latham played it 1:29:31.560 --> 1:29:33.839 in Tennessee for one of the worst teams in football, 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:36.439 and then was immediately moved not one of the worst 1:29:36.439 --> 1:29:38.880 team in football, and then was asked to move back 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:41.040 to right tackle, and they signed Dan Moore Junior. So, 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:43.160 if we're gonna sit here and we're gonna say that 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:47.519 there's a tiny sample size of short arm left tackles 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:50.439 that have made it in the NFL a llah Will Campbell. 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:54.160 There's similarly a tiny sample size of right tackles that 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:56.360 have flip sides to left tackles and have worked out 1:29:56.600 --> 1:29:59.960 a la armand Membu. In terms of Membo the town, 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:02.840 I think there's a lot of talent there. He's better 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:04.680 run blocker than he is a pass blocker. He's a 1:30:04.800 --> 1:30:08.320 very very good run blocker, especially on zone schemes. On 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:10.439 the front side of zone schemes. He can hook the 1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:12.719 end and get you out on the edge in a hurry, 1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:14.880 and he's very very good at that. He's very good 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:17.200 at climbing to the second level of the defense. He 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:21.120 is a great run blocker, really good run blocker. Based 1:30:21.120 --> 1:30:24.599 off of his measureables, he can play tackle. He's got 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:27.160 the athleticism, he's got the length. His body type is 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:30.280 a little bit of guard he's a thicker body, shorter, thicker, shorter, 1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:35.120 stouter body type. But he's he's gonna, I think, with 1:30:35.240 --> 1:30:38.559 the length and with the athleticism, is going to check 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:40.559 out as a tackle for most teams. 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:43.320 So he was was he was a guard. He did 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:45.519 start playing football TI late till I think like tenth grade, 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:49.160 and he was recruited to Missouri as a guard. Yeah, 1:30:49.200 --> 1:30:51.200 and then kicked out to tackle once he got there. 1:30:51.720 --> 1:30:53.600 So I think we're in the same spot that we 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:56.479 are with Will Campbell. If you like Armand Membu's tape 1:30:56.479 --> 1:30:58.800 better than Will Campbell's, then you could say that he 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:00.880 can flip sides just like Will Campbell can make it 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:03.360 work with shorter arms. I think it's a risk just 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:05.200 the same. So if you're if you're out on Will 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:08.360 Campbell was short because of short arms, I can't really 1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:11.320 see how you're in on flipping Armond Membou right, Like, 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:13.599 I feel like both those things are equal in terms 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:15.559 of the risk with the or the risk reward with 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:16.040 the player. 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:16.640 Uh. 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:20.680 I think it's a risk either way with you. And 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.160 then I also just you can't draft a guy there 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:25.920 with Morgan Moses at right tackle and plan on sitting 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:26.559 him like he's. 1:31:26.400 --> 1:31:29.000 Got the fourth overall pick, has to play right now. 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:30.560 Some people might say, try him at left tackle for 1:31:30.600 --> 1:31:32.559 the year, then move him back over when Morgan moses 1:31:32.680 --> 1:31:33.200 or tires. 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:35.120 But could do it, or just. 1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:36.679 Take a left tackle and then take a right tackle 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:37.639 next year in a better class. 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:41.320 Yeah, you could do it now. The emailer that kind 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:43.960 of sparked U, you know seguitoes into this, said that 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:47.520 you know that that exact plan, right, why don't you 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:50.240 play him at left tackle as a rookie kind of 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:53.200 like guard as a fallback for Will Campbell. The fallback 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:55.280 for Armond Membu is that we're just gonna flip him 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:55.599 back to. 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:57.679 His naturals because and it's the same risk with Campbell 1:31:57.680 --> 1:31:59.040 because if he can't do it, now, what are you 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:00.760 doing at left tackle? And if you're gonna say go 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:02.280 get a bridge, I would say, then just get a 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:06.040 bridge and draft the tackle next year. Yeah, it's interesting. 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:07.360 I thought. 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:11.920 It's hard to project his tape. I would say as 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:15.599 a pass blocker I mentioned earlier, you know these RPO 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:20.360 college offenses run heavy offenses. I would describe Miszoo as 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.080 run heavy. You know, they ran the ball. 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:24.080 They were this year if you go back and watch 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:26.360 twenty three, you'll get some more because they just they 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:28.240 had to get away from Brady Cook. Yeah. 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:33.760 They also he played on the right side. He did 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:36.439 not face the same level of rushers that Will Campbell did, 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:38.880 And I would also just mention that he got some 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:42.679 help on that right side. They tended to help their tackles, 1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:45.720 like quite a bit at Missouri, chipping moving the pocket. 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:47.880 Because they good luck because they had Javon Foster last 1:32:47.960 --> 1:32:49.799 year if you any player before that time. 1:32:49.720 --> 1:32:51.880 So they didn't have as many. He doesn't have as 1:32:51.880 --> 1:32:55.040 many true dropbacks on his tape as Will Campbell does. 1:32:55.880 --> 1:32:57.800 I think he's a decent pass protector, but I think 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:00.840 he's a better run blocker that to me screams right tackle. 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:04.960 That's typically a right tackle in the NFL, high level 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:08.600 run blocker, solid pass protector. You keep him on the 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:10.320 right side so he's not on the blind side of 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:14.160 the quarterback. That's typically the thought process there. But we'll 1:33:14.160 --> 1:33:17.639 see a couple of other things on tackles. One draft 1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:19.240 guy that I want to get to here in a second, 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:23.080 that that I have watched recently, but this is from 1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:26.960 Phil in Toronto. He asks about Tyron Smith and signing 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:31.160 him as a potential stop gap. I've started to come 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:34.920 around on Tyron Smith already, but just reading the tea 1:33:35.000 --> 1:33:37.639 leaves of what they've done so far, doesn't it make 1:33:37.720 --> 1:33:39.400 a lot of sense that they would do something like 1:33:39.439 --> 1:33:42.280 that to go into the draft and take best player 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:44.680 available and not be hamstrung by need and all that 1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:47.400 kind of stuff. They've done that at every single other 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.840 position on the roster now, especially with Diggs right with 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:55.920 the signing out wide receiver, they have found a serviceable 1:33:56.360 --> 1:33:59.720 answer for twenty twenty five for the short term at 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:03.240 every every other position on the roster edge rusher with 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:07.639 Harold Landry and Chase on right tackle, with Morgan Moses 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:10.759 wide receiver, with Stefon Diggs and Matt Collins. The only 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.240 spot that they haven't done that yet with his left tackle, 1:34:13.600 --> 1:34:16.240 which makes me feel like, is there a Tyron Smith 1:34:16.280 --> 1:34:20.760 offer out there? There could be. He was a I 1:34:20.760 --> 1:34:23.639 would say NFL average left tackle for the Jets last year, 1:34:23.720 --> 1:34:26.320 just like Morgan Moses was an NFL average right tackle. 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:29.120 So you're gonna get Tyron Smith. He's gonna be a 1:34:29.200 --> 1:34:34.000 respectable NFL caliber left tackle. Pair him with a high 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:36.599 draft pick, even if he doesn't play the whole season 1:34:36.600 --> 1:34:38.439 because the injuries, which has been a problem for him, 1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:42.280 you have Josh Connerley, Arion Rasrie, whoever waiting in the wings. 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:44.800 I don't rule it out because that's what they've done 1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:46.000 everywhere else on the roster. 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:48.559 If they were to do that, how would you feel 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:50.840 about drafting I guess you could do this with Membu 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:55.799 or Campbell at four, playing that guy at left guard 1:34:56.120 --> 1:34:59.559 this year, and then moving that guy out to there, 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:01.320 which tackle position next year. 1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:04.680 I'll love it because I just I don't want to 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:06.479 do the mic on one. No right where like he's 1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:09.000 playing inside, playing outside, is playing left, he's playing right, 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:11.800 like I guess I would like I would prefer to 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:14.519 have him entrenched. The only say that with a Day 1:35:14.520 --> 1:35:18.559 two pick that you're not quite as invested in, And 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:21.600 that's different like if they drafted, uh just throwing a 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:23.679 name out there. If they drafted like Anthony Belton, Yeah, 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:25.679 and they played him at left guard and then maybe 1:35:25.720 --> 1:35:27.920 they they projected him as left tackle long term. I 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:31.599 wouldn't hate that upside play there, maybe not at four them. 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:33.240 The only reason I say that is because all right, 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:35.559 if they answer it at left tackle, it truly is 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:38.080 best player available. Can't you make a really strong case 1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:40.280 that Campbell's still the best player available. 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:41.439 If those two guys are off the board. 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:44.000 Sure, and now you really don't need to chase a 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:47.840 need the I mean the alternative would be, does Aston 1:35:47.880 --> 1:35:50.519 Genty become more realistic if they signed Tyron Smith? 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:53.320 That's what the emailer. That was the case the emailer. Okay, yeah, 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:54.559 take ash gent. 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.880 I mean there's an argument there. 1:35:57.960 --> 1:35:59.920 There's an argument. I just look at the you know, 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:03.320 before we even get to the repercussions on the draft. Yeah, 1:36:03.360 --> 1:36:05.000 I just look at what they've done so far in 1:36:05.040 --> 1:36:07.519 free agency, and that's the one spot where they don't 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:08.000 have an answers. 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:10.519 But does he want to come here? That's that's why 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:12.320 they haven't gotten any left tackle? Yes, not guys that 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:16.439 want to come here. If it's Hunter, Carter gone, phone 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:19.080 not ringing for Tyron Smith is here? Who's your pick? 1:36:20.479 --> 1:36:23.479 Hard Carter? Hunter gone? And Tyron Smith is here? 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:27.080 Yeah? Still Will Campbell and you're playing him at left guard? 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:30.000 Is it tat McMillan to add to the receiver room? 1:36:30.560 --> 1:36:32.840 Is it member with guard and moving the right tackle 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:35.360 next year? Is genty Moore in play now, is Tyler 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:38.599 Warren Moore in play Now? I'm on Jalen Walker. 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:43.880 I would steer towards Campbell still, I think that they 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:46.240 might go for one of those Georgia guys, and they 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:49.760 might go for defense to really put the cherry on 1:36:49.840 --> 1:36:53.040 top of the defense right and really completed, at least 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:55.559 in their eyes, right with a Jalen Walker or something. 1:36:55.720 --> 1:36:57.880 So you would take Campbell and playment left guard, yeah, 1:36:58.080 --> 1:36:59.680 because if you're taking him there, you're playing him and 1:36:59.680 --> 1:37:01.960 then the is he's kicking out next year? Yep. At 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:04.360 that point, I don't know if i'd do it. I 1:37:04.479 --> 1:37:07.000 have a long look at Ashton gent Man at that point. 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:11.920 I think, honestly, I think I might go McMillan in 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:16.280 that situation because now you're like really putting that wide 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:19.120 receiver room together. You're giving Drake may at target he 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:22.120 can grow within the long term, and maybe McMillan doesn't 1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:24.320 have quite the ceiling of a guy usually take up there. 1:37:24.360 --> 1:37:26.280 But I guess you're still gonna have to go left 1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:28.200 tackle next year in the draft. But like, if you 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:31.800 take McMillan there and he becomes your T Higgins and 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:34.880 next year you draft the Jamar Chase. You're really like 1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:39.760 you're in great shape. That's a tough one. Yeah, that's 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:40.439 a tough one. 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:43.559 Well, I'm still not taking genty, but I hear what 1:37:43.600 --> 1:37:44.040 you're saying. 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:45.519 I said i'd have a long look. I didn't say 1:37:45.560 --> 1:37:47.360 I take him, but I'd have a long That's a 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:49.920 nice cop out, all right, Roger just said I might 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:50.160 take me. 1:37:50.680 --> 1:37:55.120 Robin mccatskills has a question about Charles Grant from William 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:59.440 and Mary, who I watched recently. He's kind of the 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:02.400 the middle round, like, you know, a high upside tackle 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:07.360 prospect right like raw, really toolsy. You can see the athleticism, 1:38:07.439 --> 1:38:09.760 you can see the movement skills and the range at 1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:11.920 the position right when you turn on the tape. He's 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:13.800 one of those guys played at a lower level at 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:16.240 William and Mary. With all those guys, I always say 1:38:16.240 --> 1:38:18.160 the same thing when you turn on the tape, do 1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:18.960 you know who you're watching? 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:19.120 Like? 1:38:19.160 --> 1:38:19.880 Do you are? 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:22.200 You automatically like, that's the guy that's gonna be an 1:38:22.280 --> 1:38:25.160 NFL player because he's obviously not playing with other NFL 1:38:25.200 --> 1:38:28.320 players on the field. So there's one guy that belongs 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:29.880 in the league. And if he doesn't move like that, 1:38:30.000 --> 1:38:33.080 and he doesn't displace defenders in terms of blocking. You know, 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:35.480 if he doesn't have the play strength and the athleticism 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:38.040 that just are separating him from the rest of the 1:38:38.040 --> 1:38:40.040 guys on the field, and then he's not the guy 1:38:40.720 --> 1:38:43.000 I did think. I saw that with Charles Grant. Now 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:45.240 at that being said, his past sets need to be 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:47.879 completely reworked from the ground up. He is a total project. 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:51.240 In pass protection, he's a kind of like a segmented 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:54.920 just like clunky mover and pass protection. But he also 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:58.120 is you know, baited easily out of his leverage, you know, 1:38:58.160 --> 1:39:00.679 with fakes and stutters and things like that, as hand 1:39:00.680 --> 1:39:03.040 placement issues, footwork issues. 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:04.000 He's got a. 1:39:03.960 --> 1:39:06.200 Long way to go as a pass protector. He's a 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:09.960 true project. That's you're taking this guy to develop him 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:12.839 over a two or three year period. Not an answer 1:39:13.240 --> 1:39:15.400 right away at left tackle. But that being said, when 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:20.200 you get past that Connery Simmons ursery tier, if you 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:22.439 want to throw Covin Banks in there, when you get 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:25.880 past that tier, you're really you're at like Anthony Belton 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:28.320 in Charles in Charles Brant, like that's like the next 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:31.320 tier of true left tackles, probably in the third or 1:39:31.320 --> 1:39:33.920 fourth round. So I see some upside there. I see 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:37.320 some potential there, but certainly not a long term answer 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:41.280 at that position, or not a day one answer, I 1:39:41.280 --> 1:39:44.400 should say, at that position. So let's get back to 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:48.200 the phones and we'll wrap it up here. A few 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:50.200 more thoughts on some pro day stuff, but let's let's 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:52.759 get back to the phones. Craig is in South Carolina. 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:53.400 What's up, Craig? 1:39:55.439 --> 1:39:56.600 Hello, here you go. 1:39:56.720 --> 1:39:57.680 You're on the air. What's up? 1:39:59.400 --> 1:39:59.599 Yeah? 1:39:59.680 --> 1:39:59.880 You can? 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:04.519 I mean, okay, cool, let me turn up my sound here. Sorry. Anyways, God, 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:08.200 I am just so excited about getting to Pond Diggs. 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:09.120 And if you. 1:40:09.160 --> 1:40:12.280 Actually, for one, I agree with what you said Evan 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:17.160 on he he elevates the receiving room immensely. And if 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:20.160 you've seen his workouts, I mean, how much weight he's 1:40:20.160 --> 1:40:22.559 actually putting on that knee. I just blew my mind. 1:40:22.600 --> 1:40:24.519 I'm like, man, this guy's gonna be ready to go. 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:28.160 So I know you guys are hypothetical and whether he'll 1:40:28.200 --> 1:40:30.519 be ready to go, but I think I think, man, 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:34.559 it's going to be something amazing to watch and totally 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:39.000 change the teams. But you know, I coached football for 1:40:39.200 --> 1:40:42.400 five years So this is how I fulfill my need 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:45.240 now that I'm not coaching. Listening to Evan and his 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:49.920 breakdown has been amazing. But one thing about Bill Belichick 1:40:50.760 --> 1:40:54.720 is whenever he couldn't defend someone and he would out, 1:40:54.760 --> 1:40:56.800 he would, you know, make a big effort, go out 1:40:56.840 --> 1:40:59.080 and get him. Like Milton Williams. There's a guy that 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:03.600 pretty much really hard to defend. Thinking with Diggs, but 1:41:04.720 --> 1:41:09.000 I liked your take on the Tyrone Smith. I think 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:10.679 we need to go grab him right away. 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:12.320 That's all I got. 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:16.000 Thanks Greg, Thanks for the call. It's exciting and I 1:41:16.040 --> 1:41:19.720 was texting you about this before the show. I don't 1:41:19.760 --> 1:41:22.160 know if he'll be healthy for training camp, yeah, but 1:41:22.400 --> 1:41:25.000 if he is, I'm just really looking forward to seeing 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:29.679 him practice because we cover camps and I'm not trying 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:31.600 to throw shade at the receivers that we've covered. But 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:34.719 it's not exactly been Steffan Diggs right, like, we haven't 1:41:34.720 --> 1:41:36.880 really seen that. The one time I saw it was 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:39.960 DeVante Adams in Vegas right when we had the joint practices, 1:41:40.240 --> 1:41:42.679 AJ Brown last year when he came for the joint 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:46.479 practices with Philadelphia. But to see a guy of that 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:49.599 caliber practice day in and day out. I think would 1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:54.000 be a great just for entertainment purposes, but also great 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:56.640 just for understanding what it looks like like in a 1:41:56.720 --> 1:42:00.120 practice of Like, this is what an elite receiver looks 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:02.720 like on the practice field. I hope that we get 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:04.360 to see that at least a little bit, maybe towards 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:06.600 the end of training camp. All right, this is a 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:06.960 this is. 1:42:06.960 --> 1:42:08.679 A big one. We gotta we gotta go to big 1:42:08.680 --> 1:42:09.400 ee Eldred. 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:10.360 You got a receiver? 1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:12.240 Man? Do you like it? What do you think. 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:14.320 There? 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:15.400 Hey? 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:18.639 Fello's how y'all do it? Hey? Yeah? I like Diggs. 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:21.120 I wanted Diggs when he tried to leave Minnesota and 1:42:21.160 --> 1:42:25.120 Brady get the Kicks or whatever and billow Chick wouldn't 1:42:25.120 --> 1:42:27.680 take him eighteen Buffalo got him after that and who 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:30.720 I ask every every year? So I wanted him back then. 1:42:31.479 --> 1:42:37.080 But question something my hurt on the radio, Evan and uh, 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:41.679 let's say Travis Hunter is right there, poor you right there, 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:45.960 dollas come up to you, say they give you they 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:49.640 number one they won this year, one next year, a 1:42:49.760 --> 1:42:52.120 two this year and a three to four next year 1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:56.360 to get Travis Herner? Would you do it? 1:42:56.360 --> 1:42:58.479 It's a good question, alidra Dot thanks for the call, 1:42:58.520 --> 1:43:00.719 and I'm glad we finally got a receive for Aldred 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:01.840 has been calling in. 1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:04.320 There's some extra in net in that in at home. 1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:07.080 Yeah, since I got here, and I'm sure even before that, 1:43:07.200 --> 1:43:09.280 I know it's big DK guy. So that's all the 1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:12.439 way back to nineteen. I would not do that for 1:43:12.840 --> 1:43:15.720 Travis Hunter, I don't think, just because to me, it 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:18.800 just it marries up way too well with need and 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:21.120 player and talent and all that stuff. 1:43:21.320 --> 1:43:23.880 You're getting a future first. I'd see if I could 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:27.880 switch those secondary picks, get a future second and a third. 1:43:27.960 --> 1:43:31.240 This year you get two extra I don't think Cowboy's 1:43:31.240 --> 1:43:33.400 gonna be very good this year. You get two extra 1:43:33.479 --> 1:43:37.599 top fifty picks. Next year, in a much better draft, 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:40.320 You're still gonna be able to get a solid player 1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:45.400 at twelve. Like if you can get Matthew Golden at 1:43:45.400 --> 1:43:49.360 twelve and then you have two first round picks next year, 1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:50.520 that's tantalizing. 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:54.000 Man, it's exciting. It's it's intriguing. I should say, so 1:43:54.280 --> 1:43:56.679 is pairing Travis Hunter and Drake May for the next decade. 1:43:56.720 --> 1:44:02.200 That's true, right, but what if it's uh, the Kendrick 1:44:02.280 --> 1:44:04.559 law next year. I'm just pulling names. I really haven't 1:44:04.680 --> 1:44:07.040 done that much info on these guys, but like Carnell 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:10.439 Tait next year from Ohio State, and it's that guy, and. 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:13.760 I just I would do it for abdul Carter. They 1:44:13.800 --> 1:44:16.960 have enough on defense. Yes, abdul Carter would be the 1:44:17.000 --> 1:44:18.960 finishing piece, and that would be you have. 1:44:18.920 --> 1:44:20.600 To get a haul to trade abdol Carter. But like 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:22.080 if someone think give you a hall, you get. 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:24.400 A haul if if they if it's abdul Carter at 1:44:24.400 --> 1:44:25.840 four and I said this over the weekend, it's the 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:29.240 other thing that got me chirped on the internet. If 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:32.800 it's abdul Carter at four and somebody offers you that 1:44:32.800 --> 1:44:35.479 that's the will Anderson trade package, which I think was 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:38.160 my take. By the way, So will Anderson trade package 1:44:38.720 --> 1:44:40.479 to move down to let's say to ten to twelve 1:44:40.560 --> 1:44:43.559 range and you get all the stuff that that Eldred said. 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:46.920 I think the Patriots have too seriously consider doing that 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:51.200 because I think they could play a game tomorrow with 1:44:51.320 --> 1:44:54.759 Mike Brabel coaching them up and have a pretty good defense. 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:55.400 Yeah. 1:44:55.520 --> 1:44:58.040 Now, abdul Carter would maybe take it from good to great. 1:44:58.720 --> 1:45:01.200 I don't allow for that, but I think that you 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:05.000 would have invested heavily now Digs. It doesn't change it, 1:45:05.080 --> 1:45:07.479 but it kind of changes the tap a little bit. 1:45:07.720 --> 1:45:10.320 But you've invested so heavily on the defensive side of 1:45:10.320 --> 1:45:12.640 the ball all off season that I think that you 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:14.600 have enough on that side of the ball to be 1:45:14.640 --> 1:45:17.559 competitive if you traded down and you got the Hall, 1:45:17.600 --> 1:45:19.640 which is the big part of it, right, and then 1:45:19.640 --> 1:45:22.200 you were able to still take a tackle or receiver 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:25.240 at let's say ten with the Chicago Bears or twelve 1:45:25.240 --> 1:45:27.320 with the Dallas Cowboys, or whatever the case may be. 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:30.560 I would strongly consider that one Travis Hunters makes it 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:32.200 a little bit harder just because of the position. But 1:45:32.840 --> 1:45:34.439 I think you have to consider it as a team 1:45:34.600 --> 1:45:37.599 like the Patriots that have a lot of holes still. 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:42.439 And again, there's future drafts, right, you have a future 1:45:42.479 --> 1:45:45.080 pick next year. You can still get back in the 1:45:45.080 --> 1:45:48.759 top five without having to actually have a record indicative 1:45:48.800 --> 1:45:50.360 of a top five pick. Right, you have all the 1:45:50.400 --> 1:45:52.559 same unition to move up and move around in a 1:45:52.600 --> 1:45:55.280 better draft. Like don't lose sight of that. There's more 1:45:55.360 --> 1:45:57.360 rounds beyond the first round this year, and there's more 1:45:57.439 --> 1:46:01.320 drafts beyond this draft two first round. I don't remember 1:46:01.280 --> 1:46:02.559 when was the last time the Patriots had two first 1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:04.240 round I guess would have been eighteen. That kind of 1:46:04.280 --> 1:46:08.599 blew that one. But before that, Chandler Jones, Dante high Tower, right, 1:46:08.720 --> 1:46:10.920 or you can move up and really shoot up the 1:46:10.920 --> 1:46:13.200 board there, maybe you push your chips a little more 1:46:13.200 --> 1:46:15.160 down the road. And now, dare I say we're talking 1:46:15.160 --> 1:46:18.559 about Jeremiah Smith, like, having two first round picks can 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:22.599 be incredibly, incredibly valuable. Do not sleep on what that 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:26.160 does for the long term outlook of the franchise. This 1:46:26.240 --> 1:46:29.320 is what we were talking about back before that Buffalo game, right, 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:31.639 this is what I said about falling from one to four. 1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:35.679 I don't think it really impacts their offseason this year 1:46:36.080 --> 1:46:39.000 because if they're gonna take Carter at four, or they're 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:40.800 gonna take Hunter at four, Like, if they're gonna take 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:44.680 Carter Hunter at one, they still very well might have 1:46:44.680 --> 1:46:46.799 a shot to take that guy at four. The difference 1:46:46.880 --> 1:46:50.360 is you could say, well, if we move back to three, 1:46:51.439 --> 1:46:54.559 we'll still get one of those guys and we'll get 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:58.080 a future first for next year. That's where winning that 1:46:58.120 --> 1:47:01.320 game against Buffalo changes things, is you lose that ability 1:47:01.320 --> 1:47:03.759 to pick up the future first. You still can maybe 1:47:03.840 --> 1:47:06.360 do that, but if you do it, you're punting on 1:47:06.400 --> 1:47:09.120 on Hunter Carter. So the other the Hunter and Carter. 1:47:09.200 --> 1:47:11.720 I should say really quickly about the draft capital that 1:47:11.760 --> 1:47:14.080 comes from that trade down. Don't sleep on the fact 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:17.000 that you can trade those picks for a player that too. Right, Like, 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:21.280 so let's say next offseason you can swing that big 1:47:21.320 --> 1:47:23.040 receiver trade with the. 1:47:23.040 --> 1:47:25.160 Extra draft cap and you still a first round picking. 1:47:25.120 --> 1:47:27.719 Right, So like that, I I look at it and 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:29.800 not necessarily about being able to move the or on 1:47:29.840 --> 1:47:31.880 the board. I look at it as being able to 1:47:31.880 --> 1:47:33.639 move that pick for a veteran player. 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:37.320 Flexibility. Yeah, it's all about flexibility. 1:47:36.760 --> 1:47:39.000 Yeah, exactly. I think you do have to think about it. 1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:40.680 Jeff is in Virginia, what's up? 1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:42.120 But it has to be a haul. You're not just 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:44.240 trading Abdol Carter to move back to your spots and 1:47:44.280 --> 1:47:48.160 pick up a second Sorry first time, Jeff. 1:47:48.479 --> 1:47:51.040 You guys just talked about trading for players, and we 1:47:51.120 --> 1:47:54.120 keep talking about a stop gap at left tackle. Their 1:47:54.240 --> 1:47:57.680 chargers haven't extended later yet and they just drafted Joe All. 1:47:58.320 --> 1:48:01.400 Why are we not offering them a crap ton of 1:48:01.400 --> 1:48:04.080 picks for him. They moved all to left tackle, they 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:06.920 draft a right tackle. We got our left tackle for 1:48:06.920 --> 1:48:09.360 the next five years, making my highest state guy. Do 1:48:09.360 --> 1:48:11.120 you guys think that would be a good option to 1:48:11.320 --> 1:48:13.160 just solve our left tackle issue? And what would you 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:14.120 be willing to trade? 1:48:14.200 --> 1:48:14.639 Is it four? 1:48:15.080 --> 1:48:16.840 Is it thirty eight plus the future first? 1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:17.280 Is it the. 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:20.640 Hugsl trade plus thum? Anyway, I'll take it off there, I. 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:21.840 Think, thanks Jeff. 1:48:22.240 --> 1:48:24.160 Look, I would take Rashaan Slater in a heartbeat. 1:48:24.280 --> 1:48:26.200 Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's happened. No, They're 1:48:26.240 --> 1:48:29.280 they're gonna pay him. There's teams aren't like we just 1:48:29.360 --> 1:48:31.400 went through this right, and they might take it down 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:33.679 to the wire like the Ravens did with Stanley team, 1:48:33.800 --> 1:48:35.719 especially a team like the Chargers that wants to play, 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:37.240 that wants to win at the line of scrimmage above 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:41.240 all else. They're not letting Rashaun Slater go. They're gonna 1:48:41.240 --> 1:48:44.920 pay him hypothetically, you know, can you fly, can you switch? 1:48:45.160 --> 1:48:48.480 Can you flip four for him? I'd probably do that outright. 1:48:49.520 --> 1:48:52.599 You know, would you trade your second, third and fourth 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:56.080 round pick for him? I might do that. Hesitant I'd 1:48:56.080 --> 1:48:58.240 probably give a few future first. I'm kind of hesitant 1:48:58.280 --> 1:49:00.320 to trade future picks in this draft. I don't think 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:01.840 you're gonna see a lot of future picks move because 1:49:01.840 --> 1:49:04.599 teams aren't gonna borrow from the future for weaker draft. 1:49:04.720 --> 1:49:08.880 But I just the Chargers are nuts if they trade later. 1:49:09.000 --> 1:49:12.360 Even getting a right tackle is hard enough. So even 1:49:12.360 --> 1:49:14.280 if you're gonna move alt Over, that still creates a 1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:17.640 major hole in a position that's tough to fill. You 1:49:17.760 --> 1:49:19.639 pay tackles, it's what you do. They took all those 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:21.920 receivers off the books. They took a couple of their 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:25.120 big paid defensive players off the books in Bosa and 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:27.840 in mac Derwin. James is getting up there. They're gonna 1:49:27.840 --> 1:49:30.200 get out of that contract soon. A lot of their 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:34.120 team's gonna be on rookie deals. Besides Herbert. They can pay, 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:35.360 and they should pay Rashawn Slater. 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:38.080 I don't see Jim Harbuch giving up his trenches. No, 1:49:38.200 --> 1:49:40.759 I don't see that. I don't necessarily think it would 1:49:40.760 --> 1:49:45.439 take four to get Rishawn Slater, just because we've seen 1:49:45.680 --> 1:49:47.400 a time and time again when a player needs to 1:49:47.439 --> 1:49:50.000 get paid, there's a tax in the trade for that. 1:49:50.040 --> 1:49:52.760 In the NFL, where you know, if the team that's 1:49:52.880 --> 1:49:56.240 acquiring that player that also needs to give him megan extension. 1:49:56.520 --> 1:49:58.680 We just saw this happen with DK Metcalf. I think 1:49:58.680 --> 1:50:00.920 you get a little bit less than what you would 1:50:00.920 --> 1:50:03.640 get normally if the player was under under contract for 1:50:03.920 --> 1:50:06.439 you know, a longer period of term. So I don't 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:08.759 know if it would take four. I think the Larmie 1:50:08.760 --> 1:50:11.360 Tunnel trade is probably a framework of where play. Teams 1:50:11.360 --> 1:50:15.840 would probably start with Rashaun Slater, but I would love 1:50:15.880 --> 1:50:17.640 the player. I don't see the Chargers doing it. 1:50:17.760 --> 1:50:18.679 Yeah, I don't think it's happening. 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:20.240 All right, Let's take this last call and then I 1:50:20.280 --> 1:50:21.840 want to get to one last thing here before we 1:50:21.920 --> 1:50:25.000 rap it. But Rio is in Texas? 1:50:25.000 --> 1:50:25.599 What's up? Ryo? 1:50:27.840 --> 1:50:31.720 Hey you guys, thanks taking my call. Uh So, I 1:50:31.760 --> 1:50:33.679 want to bring up a point and then ask the question. 1:50:35.080 --> 1:50:36.559 The point I want to bring up is as far 1:50:36.560 --> 1:50:39.800 as the two teams drafting head of the Patriots that 1:50:40.360 --> 1:50:44.000 potentially be looking at a quarterback, Arch Manning has to 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:47.760 come into the conversation right as far as why they're 1:50:47.800 --> 1:50:50.520 not going to look at Jadar Standers because. 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:54.000 Yes and no, it can be the prize yeah, I 1:50:54.080 --> 1:50:55.240 think another question. 1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:56.280 Oh do you have another question? 1:50:56.880 --> 1:51:00.479 Yeah? Okay, And my question is, as far as this 1:51:00.560 --> 1:51:04.680 draft goes, who's the prospect? Because I don't like the 1:51:04.720 --> 1:51:07.120 top of this drafts. I said that last week. I've 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:09.479 kind of dubbed it like the Island of Misfit Toys. 1:51:09.520 --> 1:51:13.080 All these guys have problems. So who's the guy in 1:51:13.280 --> 1:51:15.599 later rounds of the draft, you know, after the first 1:51:15.680 --> 1:51:19.640 day you think has potentialed the the best player at 1:51:19.640 --> 1:51:21.920 his position in say three years. 1:51:22.840 --> 1:51:26.559 Yeah, good question to the first point. Thanks for the call, Reo. 1:51:26.720 --> 1:51:28.479 I don't know if we've seen enough of arch Manning 1:51:29.160 --> 1:51:30.479 for me to sit here in say. 1:51:30.320 --> 1:51:36.960 Arch Manning's Texas going with Quinn eyrs No, who's the 1:51:37.120 --> 1:51:40.320 elik uh? When he got hurt last year two years 1:51:40.320 --> 1:51:41.920 ago and they were making a playoff push when yours 1:51:41.960 --> 1:51:44.240 got hurt, they could have gone to Manning, and they 1:51:44.280 --> 1:51:47.479 went to some Malik Murphy instead, who was also a 1:51:47.520 --> 1:51:50.360 true freshman sore a freshman, so it was an experienced thing. 1:51:50.600 --> 1:51:52.719 Like they told you, they didn't think arch Manning was ready. 1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:54.559 That was two years ago. But I'm not as gaga 1:51:54.600 --> 1:51:57.680 over arch Manning as everybody else. It's also if we 1:51:57.960 --> 1:52:01.360 talked about this earlier, the Giants coaches, Brown's coaches that 1:52:01.439 --> 1:52:04.800 are betting on their jobs. It's tough to go to 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:07.280 the owner and say, sorry, we went three and thirteen again, 1:52:07.320 --> 1:52:09.799 but arch Manning will be the ant, Like you can't. 1:52:10.000 --> 1:52:11.880 I just thought, an, I don't think we have enough 1:52:11.880 --> 1:52:14.320 film on arch Manning yet to say that he is. 1:52:14.920 --> 1:52:19.320 This is not underclassman Trevor Lawrence, underclassman Andrew Luck Like, 1:52:19.400 --> 1:52:21.640 this isn't one of those guys where you have a 1:52:21.680 --> 1:52:24.439 full season of tape out on him already, where we're 1:52:24.439 --> 1:52:26.840 sitting here and saying, you know, underclassman Caleb Williams, right, 1:52:26.880 --> 1:52:29.760 it wins the Heisman Trophy as a as a true sophomore, Like, 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:32.719 we're not there yet. I don't think with arch Manning 1:52:33.160 --> 1:52:36.920 to his second question kind of segues into my last 1:52:36.920 --> 1:52:37.400 thing here that. 1:52:37.360 --> 1:52:39.679 I say, do you running backs count here? Because obviously 1:52:39.720 --> 1:52:40.879 they just don't go in first. 1:52:40.880 --> 1:52:44.679 I'm gonna segue into it, don't worry. So Alexander emailed 1:52:44.720 --> 1:52:46.760 it and he said that he loves the show, thank you, 1:52:46.800 --> 1:52:49.320 and loves the draft coverage, thank you. But the one 1:52:49.360 --> 1:52:51.479 thing that he says that he is missing is we 1:52:51.520 --> 1:52:53.040 haven't done recency. 1:52:52.600 --> 1:52:54.160 Bias in a while. We haven't. 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:56.920 I know, we've had a lot of news and stuff 1:52:56.960 --> 1:52:58.479 like that to talk about, so we haven't done it. 1:52:58.479 --> 1:53:01.559 We only have seven minutes, but I wanted to do 1:53:01.560 --> 1:53:05.360 a little bit of recency bias. I have recently gone 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:10.280 through the top fifteen running backs in this draft. I 1:53:10.280 --> 1:53:12.160 want to say consensus right. You know, I always put 1:53:12.200 --> 1:53:15.759 the consensus board up and go right down the consensus board, 1:53:16.000 --> 1:53:18.439 so I have a pretty good feel at least the 1:53:18.600 --> 1:53:20.720 of the of the top in the middle of this 1:53:20.840 --> 1:53:23.400 running back class. If I had the guest to answer 1:53:23.479 --> 1:53:27.280 Rio's question, who would be the best player available to 1:53:27.600 --> 1:53:30.599 on Day two or who could be the eventual best player, 1:53:30.600 --> 1:53:31.679 I think it will be a running back. 1:53:32.000 --> 1:53:32.240 Yep. 1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:35.599 And there's a couple of guys that I particularly enjoyed 1:53:35.640 --> 1:53:37.920 watching that we can get to here in terms of 1:53:37.960 --> 1:53:40.040 recency bias. But would you would you agree with that 1:53:40.240 --> 1:53:41.760 it's either going to be a pass rusher it's going 1:53:41.800 --> 1:53:42.439 to be a running back. 1:53:42.520 --> 1:53:45.200 Yeah, there's the two best positions in this in this draft. 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:48.519 Maybe a safety like if mccouba falls, maybe safety. 1:53:48.560 --> 1:53:50.200 But all right, so let's get to some of the 1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:53.519 running backs here. For the last seven minutes a little 1:53:53.520 --> 1:53:56.320 bit of recency bias. So I'll just read off my 1:53:56.360 --> 1:53:59.599 top five that I have this pretty pretty locked in 1:53:59.600 --> 1:54:03.640 now if good about it. I went pretty consensus at 1:54:03.680 --> 1:54:07.680 the top Ashton denty one, Lamar and Hampton too. But 1:54:07.800 --> 1:54:11.639 I didn't Hampton's interesting though, like he's I think Hampton 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:14.559 teams are gonna love him because he's just well rounded 1:54:14.680 --> 1:54:17.160 and he projects to have a high volume role. I 1:54:17.160 --> 1:54:21.080 didn't think that he was super dynamic like in the 1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:23.679 open field, like he's more of like a power back, 1:54:23.760 --> 1:54:26.040 you know, between the tackles. But there's such a nice 1:54:26.160 --> 1:54:30.720 role projection for him, of of a floor of what 1:54:30.760 --> 1:54:35.640 he could be. So gent Hampton one two. I had 1:54:35.680 --> 1:54:38.760 Trayvon Henderson at three and Quinn Shawn Jenkins at four. 1:54:38.880 --> 1:54:40.360 I know you, I. 1:54:40.320 --> 1:54:42.160 Believe at least. Yeah, like it close. 1:54:42.680 --> 1:54:44.680 You flipped those two. A lot of people flip those two. 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.000 It's it's a flavor thing. Like I think Judkins is 1:54:47.000 --> 1:54:51.440 more of like a home run hitter. Henderson's more of 1:54:51.480 --> 1:54:54.160 like a well rounded You're gonna give him more of 1:54:54.360 --> 1:54:55.360 a volume role, I. 1:54:55.280 --> 1:54:59.560 Think, so Judkins, Uh, I think he runs angrier like 1:54:59.640 --> 1:55:00.280 he runs. 1:55:00.320 --> 1:55:01.080 So it was bigger. 1:55:01.120 --> 1:55:02.720 He runs with a little bit more power and a 1:55:02.760 --> 1:55:05.480 little bit more finish to his game. But the reason 1:55:05.480 --> 1:55:07.160 why I like Henderson a little bit better is a 1:55:07.200 --> 1:55:10.120 little looser. He moves a little bit smoother. He's a 1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:12.480 little bit more explosive. If you ask me, I got 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:14.680 a little bit more top end speed. I don't think 1:55:14.720 --> 1:55:17.040 that he's as good. He's probably like you know, we 1:55:17.080 --> 1:55:19.840 always talk about tears like day one version, Day two version, 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:22.839 Trayvon Henderson reminds me a little bit of Jamier Gibbs, 1:55:22.880 --> 1:55:25.680 like I would say Day two Jamier Gibbs. Okay, not 1:55:25.800 --> 1:55:28.120 quite as good as Gibbs, but in terms of the 1:55:28.120 --> 1:55:31.680 big playability and the explosiveness both as a pass catcher 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:34.640 and a running back, you know, as a ballcarrier. That's 1:55:34.680 --> 1:55:37.440 how he reminds me. I think Judkins is more linear, 1:55:37.520 --> 1:55:39.400 like he's a little bit more of a stiffer athlete 1:55:39.560 --> 1:55:41.840 that's going to get downhill and run people over with 1:55:41.880 --> 1:55:44.720 speed to power, whereas I think Henderson's loose, like Henderson's 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:45.400 a I think. 1:55:45.200 --> 1:55:48.720 You're rating underrating judkins agility a little bit. But yeah, 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:50.960 Henderson's better in that regard, So. 1:55:51.040 --> 1:55:54.280 Gent Hampton Henderson, Judkins so I think that's the clear 1:55:54.360 --> 1:55:58.200 top four in some order for pretty much everybody. 1:55:57.680 --> 1:55:57.800 Uh. 1:55:59.200 --> 1:56:02.080 I think some Pece people have Caleb Johnson up there. 1:56:02.360 --> 1:56:04.440 There's some people that really like Caleb Johnson. 1:56:04.760 --> 1:56:08.920 So I had Dylan Samson from Tennessee next. I love 1:56:09.000 --> 1:56:12.640 Dylan Samson. I think that guy's a baller. Uh Again, 1:56:13.120 --> 1:56:14.800 I think you can tell I kind of have a 1:56:14.840 --> 1:56:16.760 type as in the same with receivers he. 1:56:16.800 --> 1:56:17.440 Met with Patriots. 1:56:17.440 --> 1:56:19.680 By the way, I like explosive guys. I like guys 1:56:20.240 --> 1:56:22.320 that can cut and go. I like guys that I 1:56:22.400 --> 1:56:25.240 can hit big plays. The difference that I saw was 1:56:25.240 --> 1:56:28.520 Samson and Johnson. I thought Samson was much better between 1:56:28.520 --> 1:56:31.520 the tackles in terms of, you know, vision and in 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:34.760 elusiveness and jump cut ability between the tackles. He's one 1:56:34.760 --> 1:56:36.560 of those guys that can snake through the line of 1:56:36.600 --> 1:56:38.880 scrimmage and then the hit the ground running once he 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:39.160 gets to. 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:41.120 Day also running into a lot of like five six 1:56:41.160 --> 1:56:42.720 man boxes with Tennessee's offense. 1:56:42.880 --> 1:56:45.440 That's fair, but I just saw a little bit more 1:56:45.600 --> 1:56:48.680 of that efficiency. You know, let's get on a track, 1:56:48.960 --> 1:56:50.320 let's jump cut out of attack. 1:56:50.400 --> 1:56:51.480 He's definitely looser. 1:56:52.720 --> 1:56:57.240 With Caleb Johnson, Caleb Johnson, DeMarco Murray two point zero right, 1:56:57.280 --> 1:56:59.600 like he's he's one of those guys. 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:01.320 Marco Murray is. 1:57:01.360 --> 1:57:07.040 Off tackle, toss, stretch, runs really high, runs too high probably, 1:57:07.080 --> 1:57:09.360 but like it makes it work. And when you get 1:57:09.440 --> 1:57:12.360 him out into runways and into space, he's he's off 1:57:12.360 --> 1:57:14.840 to the races, right like that's that's his game. He's 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:18.080 a zone runner. He's very good at it. But to me, 1:57:18.280 --> 1:57:20.840 what I saw with Caleb Johnson was a lot of 1:57:20.920 --> 1:57:23.680 runs in space, you know, like you're just tossing it 1:57:23.720 --> 1:57:25.720 out to him or you're getting him off out on 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:28.680 the edge. Those guys worry me a little bit just 1:57:28.800 --> 1:57:31.480 projecting to the NFL, because you don't there's a lot 1:57:31.560 --> 1:57:34.640 more condensed space once you get to the league than 1:57:34.680 --> 1:57:35.080 when there is. 1:57:35.400 --> 1:57:37.680 You can't run to the wide hash and get you know, 1:57:38.640 --> 1:57:39.240 outside right. 1:57:39.280 --> 1:57:41.680 Whereas with Samson, I saw a little bit more of 1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:45.000 that make miss talent in trash like in the middle 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.320 of the field, which I liked a little bit better. 1:57:48.240 --> 1:57:50.440 But I think Caleb Johnson is a good player too. 1:57:50.720 --> 1:57:52.320 I think I texted, so did you have him five? 1:57:52.400 --> 1:57:56.640 Or had I had him six? So I have genty 1:57:56.840 --> 1:58:02.200 Hampton Henderson, Judkins, Samson, in Johnson, lots of names, and 1:58:03.720 --> 1:58:08.400 then I have Devin Neil from Wow. Okay, I'll get 1:58:08.400 --> 1:58:10.600 to Scattabo in a second. I know we gotta go 1:58:10.760 --> 1:58:11.400 quickly here though. 1:58:11.440 --> 1:58:11.879 Yeah. 1:58:12.280 --> 1:58:14.720 I really just like Devin Neil's game for the NFL again, 1:58:14.760 --> 1:58:17.920 same kind of thing. Great contact balance, great power behind 1:58:17.920 --> 1:58:20.720 his pads. Great he's gonna be able to handle a 1:58:20.760 --> 1:58:22.640 high volume between the tackles. He's going to be an 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:25.120 early down work course for a team in the NFL. 1:58:25.320 --> 1:58:28.360 I just think that he really translates nicely to a 1:58:28.440 --> 1:58:32.920 high volume role. Cam Skataboo. My concern with Cam He's 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:36.640 next Cam Skataboo. My concern with him is kind of 1:58:36.680 --> 1:58:40.360 couple together playing style of shelf life, right, Like is 1:58:40.360 --> 1:58:41.840 he going to be a bowling ball like that at 1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:44.240 the NFL level and be breaking tackles like he was 1:58:44.280 --> 1:58:47.800 doing at the college level. And if he does wear 1:58:47.920 --> 1:58:50.400 contact and have to break tackles like that at the 1:58:50.480 --> 1:58:52.040 NFL level, Like, how long is that gonna last? 1:58:53.200 --> 1:58:53.400 Yeah? 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:54.720 Like, he can't play like that forever. 1:58:54.840 --> 1:58:56.640 I think he can. I mean, I think he can 1:58:56.680 --> 1:59:00.760 be a contributor. I just don't know, like contact decide 1:59:00.800 --> 1:59:03.320 he's kind of maxed out physically. Yeah, because he's an 1:59:03.360 --> 1:59:06.720 older prospect, he's a spellback. I keep going back, like, 1:59:07.720 --> 1:59:09.480 isn't he kind of just a more physical Rex ber 1:59:09.560 --> 1:59:12.800 Khead Because he can catch. That's the most underrated part 1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:14.560 of his game. Like, he can play in the passing game, 1:59:14.640 --> 1:59:16.760 so he's gonna be able to split between that early 1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:19.920 down and passing down role. But he brings an edge. 1:59:19.960 --> 1:59:22.520 I know it's a lazy comp but I think he's 1:59:22.560 --> 1:59:24.600 like a more physical I've compared a bunch of backs 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:26.360 in this draft to Rex per Kid, So I just 1:59:26.360 --> 1:59:28.480 look very very there's a lot of backs in this 1:59:28.560 --> 1:59:30.760 draft that are well rounded, that do everything well. 1:59:31.040 --> 1:59:34.240 If you put Skataboo in a vacuum and you just 1:59:34.280 --> 1:59:36.560 say grade this player based off the tape, he would 1:59:36.560 --> 1:59:39.240 be much higher than this on my list. He'd probably be, uh, 1:59:39.280 --> 1:59:42.360 you know, RB five on this list. I just look 1:59:42.440 --> 1:59:45.680 at it though when you project it into the NFL, Like, 1:59:45.760 --> 1:59:48.600 what how much shelf life and longevity is he going 1:59:48.680 --> 1:59:52.000 to have playing like that? Is his top end speed 1:59:52.040 --> 1:59:53.800 and all that stuff going to be a factor, Like 1:59:53.840 --> 1:59:55.320 he doesn't really get away from anybody. 1:59:55.520 --> 1:59:57.840 Yeah, he's a spellback that's not a guy that you're 1:59:58.760 --> 2:00:02.160 I just I worry for big explosive runs really quickly. 2:00:02.240 --> 2:00:05.480 Really liked RJ. Harvey from UCF as well. Another one 2:00:05.800 --> 2:00:08.000 kind of similar to Samson, Like you're kind of a 2:00:09.000 --> 2:00:11.840 mid late day two, mid day three Sampson, Right, you know, 2:00:11.840 --> 2:00:15.280 a guy that can really scoot and really make guys miss. 2:00:15.880 --> 2:00:16.640 Good class. 2:00:16.960 --> 2:00:20.880 I had thirteen guys in this class with a higher 2:00:20.880 --> 2:00:24.080 grade than anybody last year. My highest graded running back 2:00:24.120 --> 2:00:27.600 last year is Blake Krum. 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