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Speaker 3: Ted McMillan slow. Yes, I disagree. I just don't think
Speaker 3: he's fast. Oh yeah, Guyang.
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Speaker 1: Some exciting news for the Patriots last night. Reportedly exciting
Speaker 1: news for the Patriots last night. So we'll get to
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs here at the top of the show. We'll
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Speaker 1: All right, I want to start with Stefan Diggs. That's
Speaker 1: the tangible news that we have today is that the
Speaker 1: Patriots reportedly the tangible reported news that we have today
Speaker 1: is that last night the Patriots have agreed to terms
Speaker 1: reportedly with free agent wide receiver Stevon Diggs. It is
Speaker 1: a three year deal worth reportedly a sixty nine million
Speaker 1: dollars in maximum value, about twenty six million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: of the numbers that Adam Schefter has reported as of
Speaker 1: right now, so there's a lot to unpack with this
Speaker 1: DIGS news. As always with this show, there's a draft
Speaker 1: angle to everything, so we'll get to that. But I think,
Speaker 1: just off the top, the overall reaction for me to
Speaker 1: the DIGS news is a couple things. One, I just
Speaker 1: like the fact that they're taking a little bit of
Speaker 1: risk on with the player. I think sometimes they tend
Speaker 1: to steer more towards deals where they won the deal.
Speaker 1: You know that it's a smart deal for the team,
Speaker 1: and it's a deal that doesn't come with as many
Speaker 1: potential issues or risks. And I'm not talking about his character,
Speaker 1: his locker room makeup. I'm not worried about that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. But the knee injuries, the knee injury, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to keep on bringing it up over
Speaker 1: and over again. So we can just right off the
Speaker 1: top here say with this caveat, he is coming off
Speaker 1: of torn acl. He suffered a torn acl last October,
Speaker 1: in late October of twenty twenty four. And the reports
Speaker 1: are optimistic. I think Schefter reported last night that he's
Speaker 1: trending or on track to play Week one. That seems
Speaker 1: very optimistic.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: That would be great news, but we'll see. But in general.
Speaker 1: It got to the point in free agency for the
Speaker 1: Patriots Alex where it just felt like they had to
Speaker 1: do something like this, a wide receiver. They had to
Speaker 1: take a chance on a Stefan Diggs and Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: a Keenan Allen, one of these receivers that's on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty that might have some flags to him,
Speaker 1: he might have some issues with him, but the ceiling
Speaker 1: of the player is so high and what he could
Speaker 1: bring to your room is just so positive that as
Speaker 1: a team like the Patriots that needs talent on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, needs play making on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, it was time to take
Speaker 1: a risk like this. It was time to take us away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we had talked about this even when uh
Speaker 3: Geez signed with the Seahawks Cooper Cup was still available. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm so engross and armlean so much arm length. I know,
Speaker 3: even when Cooper Cup was available, we talked about this,
Speaker 3: like they needed to take a chance. And this isn't
Speaker 3: a great signing in the sense that you know, you
Speaker 3: go back to the beginning of the off season and
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs was this big prize right there was t Higgins,
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf, et cetera, et cetera. But for where things
Speaker 3: got once those guys came off the board, like you said,
Speaker 3: they needed to take a shot. If you're taking a shot,
Speaker 3: I'm all for upside at this point, and whether it
Speaker 3: be Cup, whether it be Amari Cooper, whether it be
Speaker 3: you know, some of these other guys that have moved.
Speaker 3: I think Devanta Adams is maybe the one other guy
Speaker 3: you argue just because he's healthy, But Diggs has as much,
Speaker 3: if not more upside than anybody. Yeah, and that was available,
Speaker 3: so we'll see whees at with the knee. The health
Speaker 3: is the biggest concern for me, not the off field stuff.
Speaker 3: I think that's very overblown. But they needed to take
Speaker 3: a swing, and they took a swing, and if it
Speaker 3: works out, you have a number one wide receiver. Diggs
Speaker 3: has been one of the most underappreciated players in the
Speaker 3: league for the last five years, and I think he'd
Speaker 3: really have an opportunity to shine here if he's healthy.
Speaker 3: If it doesn't work out, you talked about the winning
Speaker 3: the deal thing. It's a little pricey, but like, don't
Speaker 3: look at that sixty nine million dollar number. That's not
Speaker 3: the number that matters. If he gets near that number,
Speaker 3: it's worth it, like, because so much of that is
Speaker 3: incentive based. If he's actually putting up the numbers to
Speaker 3: earn that great awesome, nobody's gonna think twice about it.
Speaker 3: The real number is the twenty six million, that's over
Speaker 3: three years. My guess we haven't seen the details yet.
Speaker 3: My guess is that twenty six million is really confined
Speaker 3: to the first two years, so they'll take a little
Speaker 3: bit of a hit, but nothing crippling if Digsny doesn't
Speaker 3: hold up.
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised I added the third year, But
Speaker 1: my take on this last week, I wanted them to
Speaker 1: add the second year. Yeah, because if it works out
Speaker 1: and then you have another year removed from the ACL
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, it could you could really have
Speaker 1: two very very good years of Stefan Diggs. I really
Speaker 1: tell we always hear you bounce back the second year
Speaker 1: a little bit better off the ACL. So if he
Speaker 1: comes in this year, has a nice season with Drake May,
Speaker 1: then in twenty twenty six you might even get an
Speaker 1: even better version of Stefan Diggs. So I like the
Speaker 1: fact that they have some team control on the player
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. A one year deal made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for Diggs. You know, come in,
Speaker 1: get a one year deal, reset your market, show that
Speaker 1: you can still play. That made a lot of sense
Speaker 1: for Diggs. But I thought that it was it was
Speaker 1: better for the team, for the Patriots to get some
Speaker 1: term on the player so that you have him.
Speaker 3: If it does hit, well, it's doesn't work out. And look,
Speaker 3: if Diggs goes absolutely nuts, right, if he comes back
Speaker 3: and he's the best receiver in football for the last
Speaker 3: however many weeks the season he plays, yeah, he can
Speaker 3: always ask for a new contract, right, that's on the table.
Speaker 3: And again, if you're the Patriots, if that's what happens, great,
Speaker 3: you've got unbelievable wide receiver play. So I just don't
Speaker 3: I guess I don't think the downside is there in
Speaker 3: signing him. There is a downside in it in that
Speaker 3: he's not healthy, So that is a worry, and within that,
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be on the field with Drake May
Speaker 3: in the spring, in the summer, and they're gonna have
Speaker 3: to really play catchup to get on the same page.
Speaker 3: It might take them a couple of weeks to get
Speaker 3: into it. But that's not a massive risk for the team.
Speaker 3: If anything, you can look at the other side of
Speaker 3: that and say, well, now there's more reps for the
Speaker 3: young guys in camp, and you have the first four
Speaker 3: or five weeks like there was last year with Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 3: to continue battling it out and figuring out who's gonna
Speaker 3: win those spots. So I just look, it would have
Speaker 3: been better if they could have added a guy that
Speaker 3: had a bit higher of a floor or a higher
Speaker 3: floor wasn't hurt. Obviously, this isn't the best case scenario
Speaker 3: for the terms of the offseason, but we've seen We
Speaker 3: kind of saw this last year when they missed out
Speaker 3: on the initial wave. There was just nothing. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: this is Mike Vrabel talked about them. You know, on
Speaker 3: a plan A, you gotta go to Plan B, you
Speaker 3: gotta go to Plan C. You got to adjust. You
Speaker 3: can't just miss out on what you want and walk
Speaker 3: home with your head down, right. You still have to
Speaker 3: be able to adjust and find ways to work, And
Speaker 3: that's what they did here. I don't think Diggs was
Speaker 3: probably at the top of their list coming into the
Speaker 3: off season, but I think he was on their list.
Speaker 3: Their priorities were were elsewhere. Right. We know they were
Speaker 3: in on Chris Godwin and you know from there it
Speaker 3: was just focus on defense and Milton Williams gets a
Speaker 3: lot of money and all that. But they were able
Speaker 3: to adjust and come back and they got a guy
Speaker 3: that can be an answer at that position in the
Speaker 3: short term. I still think we're doing wide receivers in
Speaker 3: the first round in the draft next year. Diggs isn't
Speaker 3: a long term answer, but you get Drake May somebody
Speaker 3: for this year that's certainly not nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last a big picture thought. Then I want
Speaker 1: to get into some of the minutia about his role
Speaker 1: and fit with McDaniels and all that stuff. The proof
Speaker 1: of concept thing sticks out to me as well. In
Speaker 1: a couple of different angles. You have, like you just said,
Speaker 1: a proven commodity at receiver that elevates the talent level
Speaker 1: of the offense to the point where Drake May is
Speaker 1: in swimming upstream as much. Right, he's got some help now,
Speaker 1: he's got a guy that he can rely on, a
Speaker 1: guy that has a proven resume in the NFL, that
Speaker 1: is a very good route runner, that's a very good
Speaker 1: possession receiver, that's caught one hundred passes? Was it six
Speaker 1: straight years one thousand yard receiver? And I think was
Speaker 1: four with one hundred catch or something like that. And
Speaker 1: so you have a lot of that and I think
Speaker 1: that that's going to help down the line. Like let's
Speaker 1: say this does work out with Stefan Diggs, and now
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, the Patriots are a little bit
Speaker 1: more desirable. They're a little bit more desirable. They have
Speaker 1: a one B or a very good two in Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 1: You know, Now, do they land that big big fish?
Speaker 1: You know, do they land a t Higgins level talent
Speaker 1: right at that position? So you have be a true
Speaker 1: number one elite receiver? Do they somebody? And now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden at the combine, Elliott Wolf mentioned that
Speaker 1: they thought they put too much on Jalen Polk's plate.
Speaker 1: That they they thought they he kind of had the
Speaker 1: pressure of being the savior, right, And I think right now,
Speaker 1: if you draft somebody, whether it's first round, second round,
Speaker 1: third round, whenever, when you add that rookie in, that
Speaker 1: rookie is not expected to come in and save the day, right,
Speaker 1: He's expected to be a running mate with Stefan Dicks
Speaker 1: not the savior of the offense. I think there's something
Speaker 1: to be said for that that it takes some of
Speaker 1: the pressure off of some of the younger receivers to
Speaker 1: come in here and all of a sudden be these
Speaker 1: bona fide stars, uh to be that guy for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: to be that true number one guy for New England.
Speaker 1: The other angle of it to me, as well, you know,
Speaker 1: along with all these other things, is just when I
Speaker 1: look at their offense right now and I look at
Speaker 1: their depth chart offensively, I'm starting I'm starting to feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about the ingredients that are giving Josh McDaniels. Now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about arm lengths at nauseum here in
Speaker 1: a minute, yes, and we're gonna talk about left tackles
Speaker 1: here in a minute. And to me, when I look
Speaker 1: at their depth chart, they're a left tackle away from
Speaker 1: being operational on offense. I'm not saying they're gonna be
Speaker 1: top five on offense. I'm not gonna say they're gonna
Speaker 1: be top ten.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put those qualifiers in there, but representative,
Speaker 1: they are gonna be up and running on that side
Speaker 1: of the ball. They're gonna have a playmaker and digs
Speaker 1: that they can move around, that they can use in
Speaker 1: different ways, that they can get open, that they can
Speaker 1: feed the rock to in a high volume role.
Speaker 3: They have a young.
Speaker 1: Quarterback that we all feel pretty good about. If they
Speaker 1: just have a representable offensive line with a left tackle
Speaker 1: that can just play the position at an NFL level,
Speaker 1: you start to feel good about a really good offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in Josh McDaniels making that thing hump, like, making
Speaker 1: all those pieces work. So it's all positive right now.
Speaker 1: I believe with with Steffan Diggs and this move, I
Speaker 1: don't really see a ton of downside to the to
Speaker 1: the point of risk for the team. Like, yes, there's
Speaker 1: downside that he doesn't bounce back from the injury and
Speaker 1: he's not the same player. That downside obviously exists. But
Speaker 1: the risk in terms of long term effect on the
Speaker 1: cap or on the cash or any of those different things,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it's a that it's really
Speaker 1: gonna come back to bite them if he's not if
Speaker 1: he's not the old Steffan Diggs. You know, if he's
Speaker 1: not the old Steffan Diggs, you move on, you know,
Speaker 1: you rip up the last two years and you move on.
Speaker 3: It's it's a very manageable cap hit in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: I would bet there's no dead money in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, So just to get into some more of the
Speaker 1: me new share about this with Diggs. The other thing
Speaker 1: that I find interesting is how exactly he is going
Speaker 1: to be deployed in Josh mcdaniels's offense. So Diggs has
Speaker 1: always been a very versatile receiver. Can play inside, can
Speaker 1: play outside, can play the X, can play the Z,
Speaker 1: can play the slot. You can move him around all
Speaker 1: over the place. In Houston, his usage changed slightly and
Speaker 1: that obviously stems from Nico Collins being really their outside
Speaker 1: guy with the Texans and being their X receiver, So
Speaker 1: he played a lot more in the slot. He played
Speaker 1: a lot more in the Z or away from press coverage,
Speaker 1: and really I think the more important thing is that
Speaker 1: he was more of a chain mover in that offense.
Speaker 1: He was not a big play guy for that offense.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that on third and six was
Speaker 1: getting them seven yards. His career low and average air
Speaker 1: yards per target was last season. He only averaged eight
Speaker 1: point three yards per target through the air, it was
Speaker 1: two yards less than his last season in Buffalo, So
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big difference. That's a really really big difference.
Speaker 1: So what he went from in Buffalo was obviously the guy,
Speaker 1: but also a guy that was running by people and
Speaker 1: making big plays all over the field with Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: What he went to in Houston was much more of
Speaker 1: a chain mover, possession receiver or whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. And when I look at McDaniels and his history,
Speaker 1: especially with those inside receivers, you know, not all inside
Speaker 1: receivers are slots, you know, all of them are created equal,
Speaker 1: but guys that are play inside the formation for the
Speaker 1: most part, that's the high volume role in Josh mcdaniels's offense.
Speaker 1: The high volume role is the Julian Edelman, Wes Welker,
Speaker 1: Troy Brown, Deon Brand's role.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm expecting them to put Stefan Diggs in
Speaker 1: that role and it might not look exactly like it
Speaker 1: did with Julian Edelman, Like you might not be running
Speaker 1: you know, juke routs and you know, quick hitters and
Speaker 1: quick changes of directions and things like that. It might
Speaker 1: be its own iteration of that, but moving digs around,
Speaker 1: hunting matchups for digs, getting him into the middle of
Speaker 1: the formation where he can go up against some linebacker
Speaker 1: and safeties on occasion, using him in motion, using him
Speaker 1: out of stacks, you know, two receiver stacks, three receiver
Speaker 1: bunch alignments, everything that you can do, all those bells
Speaker 1: and whistles that McDaniels uses to get receivers open and
Speaker 1: get them favorable opportunities down the field to get open.
Speaker 1: That to me is gonna be Stefan Diggs. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure he'll play some on the outside, no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Maybe there are opportunities where they like him in certain
Speaker 1: matchups at the X, you know, playing on the back
Speaker 1: side of the coverage one on one. But I really
Speaker 1: look at him as an engine of the offense type
Speaker 1: player within this offense, and if you're you're gonna get
Speaker 1: the most out of him. I think he plays in
Speaker 1: that high volume inside receiver role that we've seen McDaniels
Speaker 1: have everywhere he goes. You know, it was Jacobe Myers
Speaker 1: at the end here edel Min obviously passed the torch
Speaker 1: to Myers. Now I believe it's gonna be Steffan Diggs.
Speaker 1: I think that's good. That being said, if I just
Speaker 1: had to say, you know, the one not flaw, but
Speaker 1: the one thing that I would look at with that,
Speaker 1: they're still kind of missing that prototypical X in my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, the true yeah, guy that can play on
Speaker 1: the outside consistently, beat backside coverage, beat one on one
Speaker 1: coverage consistently, and ideally someone that has some size and
Speaker 1: some speed, Like they don't really have a ton of
Speaker 1: that right now. You know, if you figure that, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Digs Pop Douglas and then a competition probably
Speaker 1: ad X between MATC Collins, Kishan Boodie, maybe Javon Baker
Speaker 1: gets in there, Rookie Hunter Henry, Like, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: sort of your core group. You could use some speed
Speaker 1: down the field, and you could use some size. But
Speaker 1: I'm really intrigued by the idea of Diggs playing a
Speaker 1: little bit more as like a movable chess piece in
Speaker 1: this McDaniels offense, like he's used those receivers I've mentioned
Speaker 1: in the past, versus this guy's just gonna play outside.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play X, you know, seventy times a game
Speaker 1: and go one on one all game long. I just
Speaker 1: like the idea of him moving around a little bit more.
Speaker 3: No, there's definitely versatility there. I wonder if they try
Speaker 3: to reroute some of the traditional inside ste off to
Speaker 3: an outside position where Diggs is kind of running some
Speaker 3: of those slot assignments, but he's doing so from an
Speaker 3: outside alignment. Yeah, and now we're really.
Speaker 1: Well they could do that from like a condensed formation, especially,
Speaker 1: so that's what they did a lot in Houston. So
Speaker 1: you run condensed splits, which means that your receivers, your
Speaker 1: outside receiver are actually inside the numbers, yeah, versus your
Speaker 1: outside receiver being on the numbers or even in a
Speaker 1: really exaggerated wide split outside the numbers. So a lot
Speaker 1: of these new offenses, especially you know the McVeigh Shanahan tree,
Speaker 1: a lot of those offenses run in condensed formations, and
Speaker 1: that allows you to have the freedom to all the
Speaker 1: space right to run into it too the sideline, versus
Speaker 1: being you know, pinned up against the sideline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if there's a way to do some
Speaker 3: of that. But I think that the downfield threat the
Speaker 3: speed is obviously gonna be the question coming off the ACL,
Speaker 3: Like you talked about how helpfully can be there. But
Speaker 3: he's one of these guys that as he's gotten older,
Speaker 3: he's got a lot craft here, right. He has a
Speaker 3: better understanding of the game, what's going on, things like that,
Speaker 3: and he can kind of mentally get himself open even
Speaker 3: if he's not the most explosive player anymore. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to see how McDaniels uses him. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you want to get into what this means
Speaker 3: for the draft as kind of a transition, because to me,
Speaker 3: this doesn't change anything for them at the top of
Speaker 3: the draft now if it changes anything draft approach wise,
Speaker 3: for me, it's like taking that guy between forty in
Speaker 3: a hut, like between call it fifty and one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty, who's just gonna kind of be in that
Speaker 3: middle mix with Booty and Polk and Baker and burn.
Speaker 3: I'm good there. I know you said you'd like to
Speaker 3: kind of bring as many guys into camp as possible,
Speaker 3: but let the guys you have compete. You have equal players.
Speaker 3: Riz you know, at sixty nine, at seventy seven, you
Speaker 3: can get maybe a starting guard, or you can get
Speaker 3: a good running back, or you can get a safety,
Speaker 3: or you can get a guy that you know is
Speaker 3: going to make an impact right away versus well, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't even sure because you look at this draft
Speaker 3: it's similar player to Jalen Polk, right. So where I
Speaker 3: was at with quarterbacks last year is kind of where
Speaker 3: I'm at with receivers. Now. Take either guy you know
Speaker 3: is gonna be one two on the depth chart or
Speaker 3: a true project round six or seven. I don't really
Speaker 3: have any need for the guys in the middle. But
Speaker 3: it doesn't change anything at the top because I think
Speaker 3: Digs one. Digs is a bridge two. Even in the
Speaker 3: shorter term. I think Digs and Hunter, and I'm still
Speaker 3: drafting Hunter as a receiver. Yeah, Digs and Hunter can
Speaker 3: probably play off each other well. And if you're coming
Speaker 3: out in eleven with Digs, Hunter, and Pop, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a real group. That's a real legit group. So I
Speaker 3: like that's where I'm kind of not just Digs in
Speaker 3: his own because we're doing this exercise last night, and
Speaker 3: this is in the wake right of the Giant signing
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson, which feels like it happened ten years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that got everybody all hot and bothered about Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking through it in the lens last night.
Speaker 3: I wasn't even doing just the dig stuff. Really, it
Speaker 3: was all right, So you're gonna have digs as kind
Speaker 3: of like a small shiftier X. You're gonna have Hunter
Speaker 3: in the Z probably doing stuff over the middle, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna have Pops stretching the field vertically from the
Speaker 3: slot or something like that. Like that's how I was
Speaker 3: looking at because if you put those three together, I
Speaker 3: think McDaniel's he's gonna get in the lab. He's gonna
Speaker 3: have a lot of fun if you give them those three,
Speaker 3: and then it's you know, Booty or Polk or Born
Speaker 3: kind of rounding out the depth chart as your fourth
Speaker 3: and fifth guy at mac Collins as your your depth receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. It doesn't change anything at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft in terms of who you're targeting, Like
Speaker 1: if Travis Hunter is there, you're still taking Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing though, to me again is
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too caught up on the
Speaker 1: speed thing. I know I tend to do that, and
Speaker 1: I also just don't want to if you think of
Speaker 1: another if you think Ted McMillan's a better football player
Speaker 1: than you should draft Ted McMillan. You shouldn't go ahead
Speaker 1: and draft I can't, you know, Matthew Golden just because
Speaker 1: he's fast.
Speaker 3: And I even say, like, does this make McMillan more
Speaker 3: of a fit, because now you have that right and
Speaker 3: now digs is your Z or popsters, he digs your
Speaker 3: slot whatever you want to up. But like X Y
Speaker 3: Z that that's the ABCD, that's a lot more tradition,
Speaker 3: Like that would be the traditional right if you add
Speaker 3: Teed McMillan to it.
Speaker 1: So my fear with with that though, and again I
Speaker 1: don't want to.
Speaker 3: Harp to that being receiver. For that being McMillan specific.
Speaker 1: McMillan specifically, I think you're really slow. I think you're
Speaker 1: slow in terms of being able to stretch the field vertically.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Diggs is that guy anymore now.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they just used him differently in Houston and
Speaker 1: he's going to go back to being more of a
Speaker 1: vertical threat like he was in Buffalo. But in Houston,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, you know, the air arts per target,
Speaker 1: the role of the slot usage, all that increase, and
Speaker 1: he really turned into a first and second level receiver.
Speaker 1: He was a short and intermediate guy. And I want
Speaker 1: to put that out there because I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that that the listeners and everybody like you understand
Speaker 1: who they're getting. They're not getting a burner over that's
Speaker 1: gonna make that's going to separate over the top. What
Speaker 1: about his game?
Speaker 3: What about Pop? Is the field stretcher from the inside.
Speaker 3: Pop's fast like Pop hass speed?
Speaker 1: Pop has speed? You know you always worry about guys
Speaker 1: with Pop in terms of stretching the field vertically is
Speaker 1: like catch radius and ability to win at the catch
Speaker 1: point when it is contested.
Speaker 3: I contested catch maybe not. He's got pretty good ball
Speaker 3: skills though he's made some great catches like fall into
Speaker 3: the ground, Yes, turning his shoulders so you're not throwing
Speaker 3: him jump balls, but isn't if you're worried about jump balls.
Speaker 3: You're going size over speed anyway. The idea is he's
Speaker 3: running past people. Yeah, and that's how he's stretching the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's a possibility there, Travis Hunter, to me
Speaker 1: and Stefan Diggs together, it starts to get it's like
Speaker 1: getting me a little hot in here right like that?
Speaker 1: That right there is as good as it could get.
Speaker 1: In terms of the Patriots, those two guys are interchangeable.
Speaker 1: You can play them both at the X, you can
Speaker 1: play them both inside. You talk about play speed, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Travis Hunter has plenty of that, plenty of downfield
Speaker 1: ball skills, plenty of play speed to stretch the field vertically.
Speaker 1: That would be a really tough group to cover. That'd
Speaker 1: be a truly tough group to cover with both. All
Speaker 1: three of those guys are separators, now different styles.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Hunter is a separator because he's a great athlete. Diggs
Speaker 1: is a great route runner and a savvy, crafty route runner.
Speaker 1: That's how he separates. And then Pop is like the bursty,
Speaker 1: you know, jitterbug. But they all separate at a high level,
Speaker 1: all three of them. Ted McMillan, I've had my reservations
Speaker 1: about his speed to begin with. Again, if they really
Speaker 1: feel like he's the best player at that position and
Speaker 1: they're going receiver at the top of the draft, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say draft a guy you
Speaker 1: have a lesser grade on just because he ran a
Speaker 1: four two nine aka Matthew Golden Right, gonna harp on it.
Speaker 1: But I do think that you are still lacking in
Speaker 1: terms of down the field speed, especially from the outside
Speaker 1: like tech and stretch the field. In the middle, he
Speaker 1: runs the scene, runs a deep post from the slot, whatever.
Speaker 1: But when he plays on the outside, he has trouble
Speaker 1: pulling away from guys on the outside. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if Diggs is that guy anymore to do that.
Speaker 1: Pop's certainly not that guy to play outside and pull
Speaker 1: away from people. But it's an exciting combination regardless with
Speaker 1: all these options. Now, if we're talking draft though, and
Speaker 1: obviously the Will Campbell stuff is out there, but when
Speaker 1: I look at this offense right now, I really feel
Speaker 1: as though left tackle is like the one albatross in
Speaker 1: the room, right that's like the one glaring hole that's
Speaker 1: staring at you. I still think they need more talent receiver.
Speaker 1: I still think they need a younger receiver than Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 1: That has some ceiling and some upside, certainly, But when
Speaker 1: I look at this offense right now for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: if you get them a viable starting left tackle and
Speaker 1: you give that to McDaniel's on top of what they
Speaker 1: already have on paper offensively, maybe you sprinkle in some
Speaker 1: spice running back in the middle rounds something like that,
Speaker 1: to add a little bit more juice to the offense
Speaker 1: in a different area of the field. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: tight end something like that. I think you're really cooking
Speaker 1: with gas. So I think you're really cooking with gas
Speaker 1: if you have a viable left side.
Speaker 3: Of the audics. The problem is there's not many viable
Speaker 3: left tackles available. Sure, Tyron Williams, Tyron Smith, sorry's the
Speaker 3: one in freegency. And that's even a maybe like would
Speaker 3: he come here? Diggs signing probably helps. I wanted one
Speaker 3: more thing on Diggs. And when it comes to rookie receivers,
Speaker 3: especially with the guy like Travis Hunter, how much do
Speaker 3: you put on Digs being like a mentor for some
Speaker 3: of the younger guys, And doesn't he kind of feel
Speaker 3: like a more favorable mentor for a guy like Travis
Speaker 3: Hunter because those two at least prime Digs. He's not
Speaker 3: that player anymore, but prime Digs played similarly to I
Speaker 3: think the way you're gonna want Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1: To play absolutely, I mean I love that, you know,
Speaker 1: I love the fact that he can come in here,
Speaker 1: even mentor although some of us, not me but you know,
Speaker 1: some people have given up on Jalen Polk and Javon Baker,
Speaker 1: But bringing in a guy like Stefan Diggs to mentor
Speaker 1: even those guys, I think is important and it could
Speaker 1: be valuable. So I look at across the board, just
Speaker 1: having somebody that you can look at and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's done in this at an extremely high level.
Speaker 1: This is how he goes about his business. And I
Speaker 1: think when we talk about a lot of this mentor stuff,
Speaker 1: we're talking about really you know, like Monday through Saturday, right, Like,
Speaker 1: how does this guy go about his business? How does
Speaker 1: he train, how does he practice, how does he prepare,
Speaker 1: how does he watch tape? You know, all these different
Speaker 1: types of things that go into being a professional receiver.
Speaker 1: When you have a guy like Diggs who has a
Speaker 1: routine that obviously works at a very very high level,
Speaker 1: it's extremely beneficial to young players.
Speaker 3: So I only have one real question about the Stefan
Speaker 3: Digg signing them. Worried about what numbers are gonna wear?
Speaker 1: That's fair question.
Speaker 3: So Splaine was Splain has fourteen, which he wore in
Speaker 3: Minnesota and Buffalo. Yeah, he did wear one in Houston.
Speaker 3: E Wharton College so you talk about mentoring Jalen Pole
Speaker 3: gives him one right start off on, I'm gonna give
Speaker 3: you one, and in exchange, you're gonna teach me everything
Speaker 3: you know, teach me your ways Yoda, right exactly, Like
Speaker 3: that should be the trade off. And then polk Get's
Speaker 3: like sixteen or something.
Speaker 1: So I like that, that's not bad. A couple other
Speaker 1: things about the draft before we get into Will Campbell
Speaker 1: of at all, Yeah, just talking about Day two receivers
Speaker 1: that would fit now at this offense. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to the speed guys a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, like you know what I'm gonna ask you when
Speaker 3: you name them, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: But I still feel I still like Jayden Higgins as
Speaker 1: a player. But I still feel the same way that
Speaker 1: I kind of feel about Tech McMillan. It just feels
Speaker 1: like you have a lot of guys that are gonna
Speaker 1: try to win on slants and digs, right, Like, you
Speaker 1: can't have a whole offensive slants and digs. You have
Speaker 1: to have somebody else that can do something down the
Speaker 1: field at the third level. I don't think he's necessarily
Speaker 1: that guy either. I think he's more of what we
Speaker 1: talk about with Tep McMillan like a souped up possession receiver.
Speaker 1: When I say souped up, I mean just a large
Speaker 1: possession receiver with Jaden Higgins. So you start to get
Speaker 1: into you know, Royals, right, I think is a good
Speaker 1: field stretcher. I don't know how you feel. We haven't
Speaker 1: really talked too much about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay on him. At that point, you're probably
Speaker 3: gonna get him, you know, back end of the third
Speaker 3: Can you wait till the top of the force and
Speaker 3: take Kaile Williams at that point? Sure?
Speaker 1: So Jalen Royals from Utah State is who we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Who's a real a true burner, you know, he is
Speaker 1: a true vertical threat. Doesn't necessarily have great size, but
Speaker 1: as great speed and has big plays all over his
Speaker 1: film at Utah State. But against good opponents as well.
Speaker 1: It's not all just against.
Speaker 3: What was that the Mac or whatever mountain state in
Speaker 3: West the Mac is like.
Speaker 1: So that they don't know it's not all against you know,
Speaker 1: bad competition. Uh, he's a good player. I think he's
Speaker 1: got some speed, he's got some juice. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Bring up isaiabah All right fast. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna bring up a fast and.
Speaker 1: But if you're looking at the way that this offense
Speaker 1: is built, like they kind of just need fast, but they.
Speaker 3: Go sign, Go find whoever this year's demere bird is
Speaker 3: in free agency and sign that guy. You don't need
Speaker 3: to use a top one hundred pick on that guy.
Speaker 3: If you're just looking for guys you like to say,
Speaker 3: who's gonna run wind sprints back and forth to make
Speaker 3: sure the other team keeps too safeties back, you don't
Speaker 3: need to use a top one hundred pick on that guy.
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: if he's truly an outside guy. With Kyle Williams, I
Speaker 1: know he's picking up a lot of a lot of steam.
Speaker 1: You know he's a popular guy right now, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the draft community. But Kyle Williams to me still feels undersized.
Speaker 3: You just want a guy to run up and down.
Speaker 1: But he's in the he's in, he's on the list.
Speaker 3: You know who is still a free agent? You want
Speaker 3: somebody in that role? Who's that? Could we call it
Speaker 3: the what do you want to call this role? The
Speaker 3: I feel like the mere bird's an under cell. Who
Speaker 3: else had it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Philip Dorsett. I guess who else That's
Speaker 1: all I got right now?
Speaker 3: Nelson Nelson still a free agent.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't think Nelson Aguilar has got the
Speaker 1: got the juice like he once did.
Speaker 3: Philip Dorsettroll is probably better way to put it.
Speaker 1: Uh, how do you feel about Saveon Williams?
Speaker 3: Oh? I was gonna ask you about that.
Speaker 1: Because it kind of makes sense now at this group
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not He's.
Speaker 1: A he's got a little bit more receivers, like he
Speaker 1: gets all the Quardill Patterson comps for obvious reasons. But
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit more receiver's skill, I would say,
Speaker 1: especially uh, contested catch and like leaping about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I worry about the hands. I guess you're
Speaker 3: not gonna have. You're not gonna have running a diverse
Speaker 3: route tree, so the route running doesn't matter as much.
Speaker 1: Yep, he's gonna run, go ball, Go ball.
Speaker 3: I really like I was working on this take this week.
Speaker 3: You remember my take about Joe Milton last year, like
Speaker 3: the not the thing about eighty yards that Joe Milton
Speaker 3: was the most interesting player in the draft, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was the most entertaining player in the draft. I think
Speaker 3: Savian Williams has that title this year. I think Savian
Speaker 3: Williams's most entertaining player in this draft. But I just
Speaker 3: with there and I know it's new staff there, history
Speaker 3: of developing my receivers and all that. From where he's
Speaker 3: gon go for where he's gonna go, I think his
Speaker 3: success is as a gadget player at that. If you're
Speaker 3: just looking for big and fast and I'm doing Taekwon again,
Speaker 3: do you just go Dante Thornton.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna I was gonna get to him, But
Speaker 1: Savion Williams really quickly. I just the one thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to me when I watched him is that
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more refined at the catch point
Speaker 1: than I was expecting, right, Like I was really expecting
Speaker 1: Cordell Patterson, who is really not a receiver. He's probably
Speaker 1: better as a running back, honestly, Yeah, Patterson. When you
Speaker 1: watch Savian Williams, you mentioned the drops. He has some
Speaker 1: really bad focus drops where like he's just open, the
Speaker 1: ball hits him on the hands and when forever reason
Speaker 1: he drops it, he's like he's he's like Marcus Smart.
Speaker 1: He makes the most ridiculous shots you've ever seen, and
Speaker 1: then when he has a freaking layup, he blows the
Speaker 1: bunny right Like that's Savian Williams. He is a really
Speaker 1: good down the field, high point, go get the ball
Speaker 1: type of receiver.
Speaker 3: He's also really good with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you throw him a slant and
Speaker 1: there's nobody within five yards of him, he'll just drop
Speaker 1: it and you're you are left scratch.
Speaker 3: I just I worry about that guy here, especially with
Speaker 3: a young quarterback. I just don't know that that's I
Speaker 3: really like him. I'm perfectly content watching him succeed somewhere
Speaker 3: else if they if they pass on him and he
Speaker 3: goes somewhere else and he has success, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: fault them for it. That's a tough projection, all right.
Speaker 3: I'd be more like, you know, I'm more in a
Speaker 3: group of like I don't want to take away too
Speaker 3: much for me. It's like Dante Thornton, I was ty
Speaker 3: Felton on there ye Mary d k from Florida Deep
Speaker 3: getting a little deep. That's kind of where I'm taking
Speaker 3: a receiver.
Speaker 1: Though, So Dante Thornton's interesting. Yeah, Now if they draft
Speaker 1: Dante Thornton, who ran like a four to three and
Speaker 1: his last name is Thornton, you don't even if you
Speaker 1: know that, you know what everybody's gonna say. Right, it's
Speaker 1: and I mean it's gonna be automatic.
Speaker 3: Five eight two o five four three flat.
Speaker 4: Fur.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was only five eight sorry, six
Speaker 1: six five. I don't know what I was looking at
Speaker 1: a five five eight. The hand size says five eighths.
Speaker 1: It's right below it six six five two five four three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing we're doing Thornton again. No, we're not doing
Speaker 1: Thornton again. No, because he's he's bigger. He's he's bigger.
Speaker 1: He's built bigger than taekwan Thorn by a lot. What
Speaker 1: do you mean by a ton two? He doesn't look though, Okay,
Speaker 1: but if he's if he's one hundred and ninety, he's still.
Speaker 3: That's okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: He's still he's got more mass than Taekwon uh Thortondo.
Speaker 3: But he also played at Oregon before he played at Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he but he plays fast like it's it's not
Speaker 1: just a forty time when you turn on the tape
Speaker 1: with him, he runs well, you know, he is a
Speaker 1: true take the top off the defense kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I just those are some of the names that I
Speaker 1: had on my list. If you're you're really looking for
Speaker 1: a specific type of receiver. Again, if you're going in
Speaker 1: the first round, you're just taking the best receiver available,
Speaker 1: Like if it's TEP McMillan, it's Tech McMillan. Uh, you're
Speaker 1: just going with the best guy. But when you start
Speaker 1: to get down the board a little bit, if you
Speaker 1: want to be a bit more picky about the skill
Speaker 1: set and making sure that it fits with what you have. Uh,
Speaker 1: Dante Thornton, like early on day three, maybe you.
Speaker 3: Know like a couple yea years ago, sell me on
Speaker 3: that a couple.
Speaker 1: Of years ago they would have reached on him and
Speaker 1: taken him in the second round, right, But.
Speaker 3: I I I don't need a wide receiver at like
Speaker 3: sixty nine or seventy seven or even one oh six.
Speaker 3: After that it makes more sense. So again, Felton Thornton,
Speaker 3: you're you're sleeping on tre mariy dk.
Speaker 1: Okay from Flora.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've watched him at all now
Speaker 3: six one, six, four, three, four. Uh, he's really good
Speaker 3: at beating press, getting down the fields, getting open contested catches.
Speaker 3: That's kind of it. You're not gonna run him underneath.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna give you a lot after the catch.
Speaker 3: His hands aren't He's not quite as bad as save
Speaker 3: on Wims, but his hands aren't great. But he's gonna
Speaker 3: go down the fields and run fast and make plays
Speaker 3: on the football. So if you're just looking for somebody
Speaker 3: to do that and you can get him, probably you
Speaker 3: might be able get him in two seventeen. Honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they have a gap between one forty four and two seventeen.
Speaker 3: My guess is he'll go somewhere in there. But I
Speaker 3: also think they'll close that gap somehow.
Speaker 1: I need somebody that can run a go I need
Speaker 1: somebody that can run a post, and I need them
Speaker 1: to be able to do it very well. I need
Speaker 1: two routes.
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty much all he can do.
Speaker 1: But you gotta do it at a high level, like
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not talking in no shade meant,
Speaker 1: but like you know, I don't think Kishan Boody and
Speaker 1: Javon Baker have proven that they can do that at
Speaker 1: a truly high level. Maybe Booty. Booty had a nice
Speaker 1: season last year. I don't meet the crap on Boody.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of Booty fans out there,
Speaker 1: and he had a nice season last year, So maybe
Speaker 1: he's the answer. Like, maybe he's the guy that ends up,
Speaker 1: you know, being that true outside guy that can win
Speaker 1: a deep on a deep route.
Speaker 3: Maybe he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to get somebody else in here
Speaker 1: to at least compete for that.
Speaker 3: Do you want the Lancer line on DK, because I
Speaker 3: think this is exactly what you're describing. Niche receiver with
Speaker 3: average hands but good early speed to bypass mad coverage,
Speaker 3: gives life to the vertical game. Second and third level
Speaker 3: receiver whose routes have the energy of a youngster on
Speaker 3: a playground with all gas and no breaks. He's more
Speaker 3: of a field stretcher than a volume option, but his
Speaker 3: talent for opening deep windows could appeal the teams in
Speaker 3: need of speed. So you put him, That's like exactly
Speaker 3: the guy you're talking about. You can get him so
Speaker 3: much later you put him or Dante Thornton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a competition with Kaishawn Booty and Javon Baker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to be that developmental X right to be that high
Speaker 1: upside developmental X. I don't hate it. I don't hate it.
Speaker 3: I just I don't want them taking that guy in
Speaker 3: the top one hundred where they can address other needs.
Speaker 1: Agree, because frankly, the guys that are best in the
Speaker 1: top one hundred or not that guy, right, it's Jalen Dowell,
Speaker 1: it's you know guy guys.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a couple you know. I don't Sadian
Speaker 3: Williams would be in there. Yep, Isaiah Bond, Tory Horton.
Speaker 1: Are those guys going top one hundred?
Speaker 3: Tory Horton's fringe, Isaiah Bond will Yeah, an if you
Speaker 3: really go up there, I.
Speaker 1: Think even that starts outside the top seventy five. Like
Speaker 1: I still think we're thinking late day two for Isaiah Bond.
Speaker 3: That's still too high for me. Yeah, day three pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Should we get to the Will Campbell?
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, so you have to do any reads first?
Speaker 1: Nope, We're gonna get right into it. We'll do the
Speaker 1: reads here in a second. The this is truly getting bizarre.
Speaker 3: I've been telling you people this for weeks.
Speaker 1: By the way, this no, no, no, no, no no, this
Speaker 1: is this goes beyond just the combine crap. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is We've been doing this really full time since what
Speaker 1: eighteen seven, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: So the first draft we worked together was the eighteen draft.
Speaker 3: It was the Isaiah win In Sony Michelle Draft.
Speaker 1: This is the most bizarre situation I've ever encountered in
Speaker 1: my time covering the draft.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: We we now have three different arm length measurements for
Speaker 1: the same human being. Like we third the one from
Speaker 1: last spring that Jim Nagy reported and then Greg Badard confirmed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which was thirty two and seven eights, so a year
Speaker 1: ago last spring. I believe it was at one of
Speaker 1: those like camp or something like that, or they, you know,
Speaker 1: the NFL Future NFL camp thing. He was thirty two
Speaker 1: and seven a's yep, Will Campbell. Then he goes to
Speaker 1: the combine, Yeah, and he measures in at thirty two
Speaker 1: and five eights. I have takes on the combine.
Speaker 3: We'll get to those.
Speaker 1: And then we get to his pro day and he's
Speaker 1: thirty three flat.
Speaker 3: So I'll say this on the the thirty two and
Speaker 3: seven as and thirty three Yeah, twenty one years old. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a growing boy. It's no, I'm serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right?
Speaker 3: Is it that unrealistic? A twenty one year old grow
Speaker 3: a little bit in a year. So I count the
Speaker 3: thirty two and seven a's and the thirty three as
Speaker 3: one measurement. Those two, to me are the same. Like
Speaker 3: if you're off by that margin, who knows what happened,
Speaker 3: maybe his fingernails out or something.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The five as is completely different.
Speaker 1: So here here's where I stand on all of this,
Speaker 1: because I admit, fully I have been all over the
Speaker 1: map on how to feel about this, right, like originally
Speaker 1: all in on the player back in January, based off
Speaker 1: the film the com Hits. I'm out on the player
Speaker 1: because I think he's a gar with his length. I'm panicked, Right,
Speaker 1: what do we do? I overreact to the combine. It
Speaker 1: happens a month later after the combine, we get another measurement.
Speaker 1: Now I feel like I'm getting pulled back in. My
Speaker 1: gravity's pulling me back in. Now I've been all over
Speaker 1: the map on the player, I fully admit that. But
Speaker 1: what I come back to at times like this, because again,
Speaker 1: this is the most bizarre situation I've ever encountered covering
Speaker 1: the draft. I have never I never remember there, and
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get to your your study here
Speaker 1: in a second.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 1: It's not just Will Campbell. The arm lanes are screwed
Speaker 1: up all over the attack.
Speaker 3: It's not just the arm length, it's other things too.
Speaker 3: But I just did a young le Jalen Milro's hands
Speaker 3: grew exponentially.
Speaker 1: Right we are, We are really all over the place now.
Speaker 1: If you're an NFL team, if you're Elliott Wolf, Mike
Speaker 1: Rabel and Bryan Towden, my guess is that you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Will Campbell in for a visit. At some point.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take out your own tape measure and you're
Speaker 1: gonna measure the freaking arms. Yeah right, that's what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. But above all else, I think we're at
Speaker 1: the point now where you got to trust your instincts
Speaker 1: based off the tape, and you either like the player
Speaker 1: or you don't. You're either in you're out based off
Speaker 1: the film, like let's not get bogged down or caught
Speaker 1: up eighths of an inch of arms or wingspans or
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. If you're out on Will
Speaker 1: Campbell at left tackle or for the Patriots at four Overall,
Speaker 1: you're out that that's your prerogative.
Speaker 3: You can be out.
Speaker 1: Well, you're in. You're in like that, don't come out
Speaker 1: on the measurements. I don't care anymore.
Speaker 3: Because I think people forget this. You're allowed to change
Speaker 3: your mind. You should change your mind when presented with
Speaker 3: new information. You are absolutely allowed to change your opinion
Speaker 3: and or just your opinion and change your mind. It's
Speaker 3: healthy you, nobody's good. Nobody should chastise you. Oh you
Speaker 3: should this last week, blah blah bit No, like as
Speaker 3: you I've done it, you've done it, we all do it.
Speaker 3: Like as you get new information during this process. Absolutely
Speaker 3: just you're allowed to do that. If you're somebody who's
Speaker 3: been out on Will Campbell because of his arm length,
Speaker 3: and you see this number and you think maybe you
Speaker 3: believe it, and I'll give you a minute and a
Speaker 3: reason why you should believe it, nobody's gonna be mad
Speaker 3: at you for saying, oh, you know, well, I think
Speaker 3: his arms are actually longer, So I'm in on Campbell now.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think really my message would just be
Speaker 1: at this point ya, just trust your eyes, Like if
Speaker 1: you think the player is a good player, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with the player off the tape, the
Speaker 1: tape doesn't change. The arm lights have changed every single way.
Speaker 1: The tape is consistent. The tape is the tape.
Speaker 3: So here's where the arm like measurement is consistent. You're ready,
Speaker 3: You're ready to exercise?
Speaker 1: No, let me say one more thing, because I know
Speaker 1: this is going to take a second, so I'll keep
Speaker 1: on reiterating the same thing too. About where it shows
Speaker 1: up on his film, I think he has a really
Speaker 1: really good anchor and he's really strong, great course straight,
Speaker 1: So I don't see it show up a ton on
Speaker 1: bull rushes. I just don't, you know. I think when
Speaker 1: he went up against Shamar Stewart, who's a really powerful
Speaker 1: long bull rush. Sure he won some and he lost
Speaker 1: the rights. That's offensive line play, but he held his
Speaker 1: own like. It wasn't like Shamar Stewart was getting into
Speaker 1: his chest and ragged alling him out of the way consistently.
Speaker 1: I don't see that on his film. What I see
Speaker 1: with Will Campbell is that he sets out too far.
Speaker 1: He overseets because he's trying to get out to those
Speaker 1: high side rushers to try to keep them off the
Speaker 1: outside right to get his hands on those guys. And
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have the length to reach out and
Speaker 1: extend with good leverage, he gets a little bit over
Speaker 1: zealous and he jumps out too far. So when he
Speaker 1: drifts out, it inherently will open the inside. So what
Speaker 1: you see a lot of Scorrton got him on it.
Speaker 1: I think Canard got him on it once. You see
Speaker 1: a lot of inside moves like spins crosses over his
Speaker 1: face right into the inside gap. So those rushers, he
Speaker 1: has a tough time with that type of guy, Like
Speaker 1: a guy that's really twitched up, that can fake like
Speaker 1: he's gonna go outside, Get him to commit to go
Speaker 1: outside and then swim inside of him or rip inside
Speaker 1: of him or spin inside of him like those guys
Speaker 1: are gonna give him a little bit of trouble. Now,
Speaker 1: can you coach that out of him? Is there improvements
Speaker 1: that you can make? I'm sure, like you know, we'd
Speaker 1: have to get you know, Dante Scarnecki on the line
Speaker 1: and ask him right, but I'm sure there are. Okay,
Speaker 1: But that's where it comes out to me on the
Speaker 1: film with him at tackle is that he has to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more aggressive in his past sets
Speaker 1: because of the length, and then sometimes the really well
Speaker 1: skilled and explosive rushers can make him pay for it.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we're talking about
Speaker 1: one or two reps a game where it burns him.
Speaker 1: So he has sixty eight great blocks and then they'll
Speaker 1: have one or two where it comes out and burns him.
Speaker 1: Now that's offensive line play, right.
Speaker 3: So he talked about this, He gave that quote about
Speaker 3: you know, you make one mistake and certainly people want
Speaker 3: you to work in an Amazon warehouse. Yeah, how many
Speaker 3: such plays would you for obviously for different reasons, guys
Speaker 3: get beat? How many such plays would you say per
Speaker 3: game a guy like Josh Kahn has on tape that
Speaker 3: get beat.
Speaker 1: Uh, I would say Ursery is more so in past
Speaker 1: protection that he'll get beat. I don't know, maybe three
Speaker 1: to five times a game. We're talking about college, right,
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing I have to remember, Like
Speaker 1: they're already man amongst boys in a lot of matchups.
Speaker 1: So you know these guys, don't you know? Armand Membu
Speaker 1: gave up eight pressures the entire year last year at Missouri.
Speaker 1: Eight was on the right side the entire season, so
Speaker 1: we're not talking about a ton and and I would
Speaker 1: also mention, you know, with Campbell that has to be mentioned,
Speaker 1: he played in a true pro style.
Speaker 3: Drop back offense with the quarterback that had zero pockets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody loves the quarterback for good, good arm, but
Speaker 1: you know, can throw.
Speaker 3: He needs map quest to get out of the pocket.
Speaker 1: So he didn't play in a r P O offense.
Speaker 1: He didn't play in a run heavy offense like Membo did. Uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't play in an r PO scheme. He didn't
Speaker 1: play in a college offense. They had true traditional dropbacks
Speaker 1: at LSU last year where he's blocking, true pass sets,
Speaker 1: no play action, no bells, and whistles a lot more
Speaker 1: than the other guys. So his flaws as a result,
Speaker 1: especially down in the SEC where he's facing you know,
Speaker 1: like I just mentioned a bunch of top one hundred
Speaker 1: pass rushers almost on a weekly basis, there's a lot
Speaker 1: more volume to like true pass blocking reps for Will
Speaker 1: Campbell than these other guys. I would say that on
Speaker 1: the whole. You know, he's the best pass protector in
Speaker 1: the class.
Speaker 3: Campbell Campbell, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now there's the member of it all. We'll get to that,
Speaker 1: but get to your numbers.
Speaker 3: All right. So this is just again because I was
Speaker 3: saying after the combine the numbers didn't add up, and
Speaker 3: it was like me not being ready to quit Will
Speaker 3: Campbell or anything. So just just for context. And by
Speaker 3: the way, the LSC measurement at Cornet Field Yates was
Speaker 3: taken by an NFL stafford, not somebody from LSU who's
Speaker 3: gonna try to pump camp Just.
Speaker 1: To add to that, there's a Patriots staffer on his name.
Speaker 1: I'll look it up when you start talking. Who runs
Speaker 1: all of the New England area pro days. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he ran the BC Pro Day, he runs the UMass
Speaker 1: Pro Day. He does not work for Boston College. He
Speaker 1: works for the Patriots. So that that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: You say that, So okay. So I went through and
Speaker 3: I did some research. It's guards and tat there's a few.
Speaker 3: It's tackles with a few guards mixed in and I
Speaker 3: think one center just to kind of there weren't a
Speaker 3: ton of Shrine Bowl guys who went to the combine,
Speaker 3: so I just to increase the sample size. So Will
Speaker 3: Campbell from the combine to his showcase. So showcase is
Speaker 3: pro DA Senior Bowl Shrine Bowl. Right, he lost three
Speaker 3: eighths of an inch in our measurement. All right, that's
Speaker 3: a big difference. Maybe they're trying to hang on. Josh
Speaker 3: Connery and we're doing the Senior Bowl now, from the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl to the Combine lost half an inch. Arianta
Speaker 3: Ursery seven eighths of an inch, Wow, Wyatt Milam four eighths,
Speaker 3: Gray's Abel two eighths, Ozi Trapillo four eighths. And I
Speaker 3: know that's a half, but it's just so it's all
Speaker 3: scaled clay web five eighths. So those are just a
Speaker 3: handful of guys. I picked out that one outlier. Somehow,
Speaker 3: armand Membo gained like half an inch, so something different
Speaker 3: happened with him. So you're saying, okay, So well, either
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl was off or the Combine was off.
Speaker 3: Who do we believe? Well, the Shrine Bowl was off
Speaker 3: by almost the same amount, So shrine ball. Holland Pierce
Speaker 3: lost five eights of an inch, Drew Kendall lost five
Speaker 3: eighths of an inch. Brandon Crenshaw Dixon lost four eighths
Speaker 3: of an inch. Joshua Gray five eighths, Xavier Trust three eighths,
Speaker 3: John Williams seven eighths, Joe Huber three eighths. So either
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl were both somehow
Speaker 3: off by the same approximate amount individually, or the combine
Speaker 3: was wrong, which one's more likely.
Speaker 1: So, Paul Perrill, do I have to give credit? We'll
Speaker 1: tell you that who has more skin in the game
Speaker 1: for them to measure longer? The college All Star games
Speaker 1: or the combine. The answers to college all Star games
Speaker 1: like the Senior Bowl in the Shrine Bowl, which I
Speaker 1: love both events, by the way, Yeah, have all the
Speaker 1: reason to fliff up.
Speaker 3: But then why hasn't it been done in the past
Speaker 3: That numbers generally line up in the past.
Speaker 1: So the only question is that I you know, that's
Speaker 1: a great question. You think maybe it's because it's a
Speaker 1: short arm class.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this. You think that the Senior Bowl
Speaker 3: and the Shrine Bowl. What's the word I'm looking for
Speaker 3: colluded on this? No, because they didn't seem too happy
Speaker 3: with each other this year, definitely to get together on
Speaker 3: a project. So if that's the case, the Senior Bowl
Speaker 3: and the Shrine Bowl, and I maybe I should run
Speaker 3: the hula bowl too. I don't know if they had
Speaker 3: any guys at the combine, Yeah, they would have had
Speaker 3: to come together and say, Okay, we both need to overmeasure,
Speaker 3: but we have to overmeasure between like a quarter and
Speaker 3: seven a seven inch, and we got to get everybody
Speaker 3: within that range in order to pump these guys up.
Speaker 3: And then we have to hope that people believe that
Speaker 3: we didn't clude or like you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So much that would have to happen to be the
Speaker 3: case a conspiracy. We need Michael Hurley for this. We're
Speaker 3: turning into the conspiracy. Well, but like, look, if the
Speaker 3: NFL screwed up, they could have cost these kids some money.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'd like to know what happened there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do. I mean, this is this is crazy,
Speaker 1: This is absolutely banana.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put all the numbers up. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna write something on this. I'll have all the numbers
Speaker 3: up later if you want. But again, outside, I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened with armand Membu. He's sort of a
Speaker 3: weird outlier in this. And I didn't include Calvin Banks in.
Speaker 3: Who's the other top tackle, Josh Simmons. Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: don't have a second measurement for them. I couldn't find
Speaker 3: the measurements from Texas's Pro day. Ohio States Proday is
Speaker 3: going on right now. Neither one of them participating in
Speaker 3: the Senior bowls, so we don't have or Shrine Bowl
Speaker 3: or anything. So that's why those guys got left off.
Speaker 3: But my guess is what I think Banks was thirty
Speaker 3: three flat at the combine or like just over thirty
Speaker 3: three at half an inch to it. Simmons whatever he
Speaker 3: measured at the combine at half an inch to it,
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna use the combine numbers for arm length.
Speaker 3: We got to understand that's probably the lower end. So
Speaker 3: maybe LSU gave Campbell a little bit of help this
Speaker 3: independent staffer. But to go from the five eighths to
Speaker 3: the seventies, even if that's the gap, that would be
Speaker 3: on the low end of the misses. Again, most of
Speaker 3: these guys are off by half an inch, if not more.
Speaker 3: Arianta URSII, John Williams, we even talked about he's a
Speaker 3: Day three pick from Cincinnati. They lost like a full
Speaker 3: inch on their measurement. That's very different. Also, ers might
Speaker 3: have thirty five inch arms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big guy. There's no doubt, like that's
Speaker 1: not a doubt like he's a big Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's just I'm just saying. You know, I'm generally
Speaker 3: anti math, but in this case, follow the numbers. At
Speaker 3: this point, put this away. I got what I need is.
Speaker 1: Trust the film. Just trust the film. If you don't
Speaker 1: like the player, you don't like the player. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and argue. We've argued about these players
Speaker 1: at nauseum for months. I like the player. If you
Speaker 1: don't like the player, don't get caught up.
Speaker 3: In the arm light. Jesus, you know what I brought.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's hilarious right now that the tay measured.
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about that's not the point and
Speaker 3: you know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or if you want to get caught up in
Speaker 1: it again, I would just say that I think every
Speaker 1: single team that it's going to be interested in Bill
Speaker 1: Campbell is now going to have to get their own
Speaker 1: independent arm length measurement because they can't trust the combine.
Speaker 3: Right, And I guess my point is I don't think
Speaker 3: that independent measurement is going to come in at five
Speaker 3: eighths thirty two and five as I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be longer than that.
Speaker 1: Thirty two and seventy eight.
Speaker 3: Thirty two and seven sounds right, thirty two and seven
Speaker 3: eight well, but again, even that that would put him
Speaker 3: on the low end of miss.
Speaker 1: Thirty two and seven A sounds consistent and right to me,
Speaker 1: just based off what we know about his arm being
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter, and if you can give him
Speaker 1: that extra eighth of an inch to get him to
Speaker 1: the threshold, then things like the pro at the p
Speaker 1: then you fluff it up.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: I also think it's possible that a twenty one year
Speaker 3: old grew a little bit in the course of a year,
Speaker 3: because that that thirty two and seven A numbers from
Speaker 3: a year ago.
Speaker 1: So let me like put you in in other terms,
Speaker 1: like if you run a forty at your pro day, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're four or five flat, doesn't it sound a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: Better if it's four four and yeah? Yeah, I get
Speaker 3: you're saying right.
Speaker 1: So, like I could see that being the case. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if it's thirty two
Speaker 1: and seven a's we're right there. We're right there.
Speaker 3: But all right, So let's do this again. We did
Speaker 3: this exercise last week and I don't think you loved it,
Speaker 3: but you actually two different answers for we're going again
Speaker 3: because you put me on the spot, Hunter and Carter
Speaker 3: off the board.
Speaker 1: Well, Campbell, the phone's not written yet. So last week
Speaker 1: pounding the table. Okay, So here's here's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to like point out.
Speaker 3: Last week. It was very and I understand why I'm
Speaker 3: not faulting you for it. There was some hemming and
Speaker 3: hawing in a thought process. Now you're coming back, we
Speaker 3: do that exercise again.
Speaker 1: Gotta trust my instincts on this.
Speaker 3: But now you're pounding the table. So you feel better
Speaker 3: about it now than you did a week.
Speaker 1: I feel better about it. I feel better and I'm
Speaker 1: pounding the table for it. But I think it comes
Speaker 1: back to the take that I've had about this entire draft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I keep on.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm taking crazy bills because no one
Speaker 1: will listen to me when I say this. You know
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you, but just in general, this is
Speaker 1: not a blue chip draft.
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 1: So if we get to four on half night and Abdul, Carter,
Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter are not there you are picking between
Speaker 1: flawed options, right, everybody has an issue at that point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Will Campbell hast long enough armand Membu played the wrong
Speaker 1: side of the offensive line. He's a right tackle And
Speaker 1: I have a take on that in a second week
Speaker 1: and get to after we get to some of these calls. Yep,
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan slow, yeah, or he's not fast as you
Speaker 1: not fast?
Speaker 3: That is correct, right? Uh, Genty, Genty's a running back.
Speaker 3: I actually have real quick aside if we're gonna positional
Speaker 3: value thing aside, like actual makeup of the player, there
Speaker 3: actually is a red flag for Genty. I was doing
Speaker 3: some work on it. Yeah, he has seven hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty touches in the last three years. That would be
Speaker 3: fifth in the NFL during that span. That he's a
Speaker 3: young guy. That's a lot of mileage for running down.
Speaker 3: That's a if they were gonna take Genty and we were,
Speaker 3: you know, to come in here the next day and
Speaker 3: talk about it after you're you know, done, just getting
Speaker 3: in your feels, that would be my bigger concern than
Speaker 3: the positional value. Is this is a guy that has
Speaker 3: a lot Yeah, like you better maximize him early because
Speaker 3: that's third contract, probably not second contract.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know the number off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, gent D feels very Zeke Elliott to me,
Speaker 1: Wait many carries seek Elliot might not have gotten as
Speaker 1: many because Ohio State has so many players that they
Speaker 1: can turn.
Speaker 3: They leaned on him, but I remember.
Speaker 1: Them leaning on him. Dallas leaned on him early in
Speaker 1: his career with the Cowboys. He had five really really
Speaker 1: like all pro caliber years with Dallas and then it
Speaker 1: dropped off a cliff.
Speaker 3: So he had six hundred fifty. So we had one
Speaker 3: hundred less touches than gent D in that three year span.
Speaker 3: But I would say six hundred and fifty touches in
Speaker 3: the Big ten a lot probably equates to seven fifty
Speaker 3: in the Mountain West.
Speaker 1: Last couple Tyler Warren, tight end Older, late breakout, late breakout,
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know all those types of things. The
Speaker 1: Georgia guys, you know, Jalen Walker's an undersized linebacker. He's
Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty pound edge rusher, slash hybrid linebacker.
Speaker 1: MIKEL Williams doesn't have the NFL the college production.
Speaker 3: He's a project.
Speaker 1: He's a project. Shamar Stewart definitely a project.
Speaker 3: I don't even put him in that tier because there's
Speaker 3: so many other ed rushers ahead him. Calvin Banks.
Speaker 1: Calvin Banks guard, you think so? I think some people
Speaker 1: think he's a guard.
Speaker 3: No, you you you're in the room.
Speaker 1: Body control, balance, you know, being able to mirror on
Speaker 1: an island, pass protection. Basically, that was a fancy way
Speaker 1: of saying pass protection. You know, like those types of
Speaker 1: all these guys, is my point. All these guys have warts.
Speaker 1: They all have warts. And so what it comes back
Speaker 1: down to with this draft is that, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this is a fits draft. This is a a needs draft.
Speaker 1: You want to call it that, It's a fits draft.
Speaker 3: Best player for the football team.
Speaker 1: This is the player that we need. This is the
Speaker 1: player that we have a vision for. You know, this
Speaker 1: is the player that fills a hole, that fills it,
Speaker 1: that has an immediate pathway to high volume of snaps.
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's going to be any separation
Speaker 1: between that group in terms of grade on the player.
Speaker 1: So when I continue to hear best player available, what
Speaker 1: happens when you know some teams they all use different
Speaker 1: grading skills. Let's just go one to one hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it makes it easy.
Speaker 1: What happens when you have six guys that have a
Speaker 1: eighty five all of them are be players. They all
Speaker 1: graded out as eighty five. Right, what is going to
Speaker 1: be the deal breakers? Where should positional position, positional value,
Speaker 1: how they interviewed, What do you like?
Speaker 3: The kid? Do you like?
Speaker 1: So these are the things that are going to matter
Speaker 1: in a draft like this. I wish it was different
Speaker 1: if they had a Joalt level prospect, if there was
Speaker 1: a Molik Neighbors level prospect. You're not asking these questions, right,
Speaker 1: You're not getting into this minutia. That's not the year
Speaker 1: we're in. It's not the draft we're in.
Speaker 3: Well, we kind of did this last year with Harrison
Speaker 3: and Alt when we because we had the obligatory, like
Speaker 3: if they don't go quarterback conversations, Alton Harrison were tied
Speaker 3: and we went to positional value and things like that.
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing, just with lesser caliber players.
Speaker 3: But they're all the same within the draft, they're all
Speaker 3: the same caliber.
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Speaker 1: I know you guys have been waiting on the line
Speaker 1: for a while. I appreciate it. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: your phones right now now. Mark is in Connecticut.
Speaker 3: What's up? Mark?
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. As always, I
Speaker 7: had a couple of things for you guys. Yay, yay,
Speaker 7: we got thirty three inch arm yay. The big thing
Speaker 7: is Alex, I talked to you one ninety five the
Speaker 7: sports up on Sunday morning.
Speaker 8: I was right.
Speaker 7: Two year deal is what this essentially looks like with
Speaker 7: a third year option. Great deal, I think for the
Speaker 7: value on it. So I'm very happy about that. Travis Hunter,
Speaker 7: if we get him, I really think, like Evan was
Speaker 7: saying earlier, this is a legit offense and I believe
Speaker 7: a playoff contender. Now, if you're talking that, the last
Speaker 7: take is we need a guy I don't know. I'm
Speaker 7: sure you guys remember him, but this guy was awesome.
Speaker 7: Josh Gordon. I know we had problems off the field,
Speaker 7: but when he was on the field in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 7: he was a baller. I am thinking that's the type
Speaker 7: of player Evan that you're trying to talk about.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 7: Am I correct on.
Speaker 6: That, Evan?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Pretty close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think a little more speed.
Speaker 1: Gordon was more at that stage of his career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that stage of his career. But yeah, no player
Speaker 3: like that that would be would be great. And I
Speaker 3: think with Hunter, like it just all comes down to
Speaker 3: if you draft Hunter, yeat to move back up and
Speaker 3: get that tackle. Like, if it's Hunter and then you
Speaker 3: move back up and you get a left tackle, you're
Speaker 3: in great shape.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Love you guys, Thanks, Mark, appreciate it. A little bit
Speaker 1: of more Will Campbell news from LSU's Pro Day. This
Speaker 1: is from Jordan Reed to ESPN. Great great draft. Follow
Speaker 1: if you don't already follow Jordan. Will Campbell has already
Speaker 1: visited the Patriots, so he's already had his thirty visit
Speaker 1: with New England and apparently he also has one on
Speaker 1: the books with the Las Vegas Raiders. Here, I'll just
Speaker 1: read the tweet. LSU aligned Will Campbell conferred to us
Speaker 1: on SEC network that he will not participate in the
Speaker 1: pro day today and stand on his numbers from the
Speaker 1: scouting combine. He has already visited the Patriots and will
Speaker 1: visit the Raiders later this week. So Will Campbell, according
Speaker 1: to Will Campbell, already pretty good source, already been in
Speaker 1: New England already on a thirty visit with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: so that is extremely notable. Randall is in Texas.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 1: Randall? Randall you there?
Speaker 3: What's up? All Right?
Speaker 1: Call back and we'll get you on. DC is in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. What's up, DC?
Speaker 4: I was hoping you could help illuminate something for me,
Speaker 4: which is how much impact a draft grading system actually
Speaker 4: has on a team's draft board in their grades. Because
Speaker 4: when I heard like Craft and Vrabel allude to how
Speaker 4: Elliott Woof didn't get to implement his system to.
Speaker 6: Like a layman, like an idiot like me. I'm thinking, like, so,
Speaker 6: what what difference does he make?
Speaker 9: It was he was still the guy.
Speaker 2: Making the decision.
Speaker 4: So I'm really wondering what would.
Speaker 6: Last draft, How would it have impacted last draft? How
Speaker 6: it would have been different if he had this grading system?
Speaker 6: Then what might we expect to change for this upcome draft?
Speaker 6: Any any clarity for an idiot like me?
Speaker 1: Much appreciated, thanks DC, And you're not You're not an idiot.
Speaker 1: It's a good question. So I talked to Elliott Wolf
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl about this a little bit, and uh,
Speaker 1: he did mention that he wouldn't necessarily put a ton
Speaker 1: of stock into the changing of the grading scale, But
Speaker 1: the idea of the change of the grading scale was
Speaker 1: more to just grade the player on the best player available,
Speaker 1: versus being the Belichick scale, which was very role oriented.
Speaker 1: Right like, we view this running back in an early
Speaker 1: down roll, or we review this running back in the
Speaker 1: third down back role, you know, allah James White, Right like,
Speaker 1: they had early down linebackers, they had pass game linebackers,
Speaker 1: they had base ends and they had pass rushing ends
Speaker 1: like all the way down the board. It was a
Speaker 1: very specific role, you know, slot receiver, inside receiver, outside receiver,
Speaker 1: and it had a vision of how does this fit
Speaker 1: into the new England Patriots system schnatically and so at
Speaker 1: times that would lead to certain players being higher on
Speaker 1: the Patriots boards that might have been lower on let's say,
Speaker 1: at consensus NFL board. And the idea for Elliott Wolfe
Speaker 1: and I believe this is how they do it in
Speaker 1: Green Bay as well, was to just grade the player
Speaker 1: in a vacuum like do we think Will Campbell is
Speaker 1: better or armand Membu? Nor what role is he going
Speaker 1: to play? You know, none of this other minutia. When
Speaker 1: we're stacking the board, you know what determines that. Now,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was a huge impact on last year's draft.
Speaker 1: I don't think they necessarily would have changed a ton
Speaker 1: about what they did and last year's draft. But that's
Speaker 1: the idea of it. And just the last thing. The
Speaker 1: reason why they couldn't fully change it from the Belichick
Speaker 1: system to this new system is because all the in
Speaker 1: person scouting Hay was already in the barn when they
Speaker 1: made the coaching change. So a lot of the evaluation
Speaker 1: process is done in person, boots on the ground at
Speaker 1: LSU at Ohio State and physically watching these players up
Speaker 1: close at games, and so all those grades were already
Speaker 1: in the books, so you can't redo the grades right
Speaker 1: like the grade's already done. So they didn't really implement
Speaker 1: it fully last season because of that. So this is
Speaker 1: truly the first cycle in the draft where they've used
Speaker 1: entirely this new system of grading. So I hope that
Speaker 1: that helps clarify some of that.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will have a major impact.
Speaker 1: I don't want to over analyze it.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it's sold just everybody's
Speaker 3: evaluating the same players. I don't think it makes that
Speaker 3: big of a difference.
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, all right, Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
Speaker 10: Hey guys, I'm just wondering what the injury status will
Speaker 10: be for Diggs. Do you think he'll be ready by
Speaker 10: Game one?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 10: When is he going to be fully dressed? I'm playing
Speaker 10: for the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the question. So Adam Schefter last night, yep,
Speaker 1: straight from Stefanzik's agent, I assume, yeah, said that he
Speaker 1: will be ready for a week one of the regular.
Speaker 3: That he will be, but that like he could be.
Speaker 3: He's tracking, tracking, find the.
Speaker 1: Exactly week one. That seems lofty. That seems like a
Speaker 1: high benchmark. Yeah, for what it's worth, and I'm not
Speaker 1: a doctor, don't pretend to be one, but for what
Speaker 1: it's worth, he's posted some things on social media that
Speaker 1: he's already running at full speed, which the Twitter doctors
Speaker 1: tell me that is ahead of schedule. Right, for him
Speaker 1: to be running at full speed five months removed from surgery,
Speaker 1: that's a good sign.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne is the one we always kind of go
Speaker 1: back to with this. He tore his ACL in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three late October, around exactly the same time of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and it took him almost a full year.
Speaker 3: To get back eleven months, right, he came back at
Speaker 3: the end of the beginning of October.
Speaker 1: Right, So I think realistically, twelve ish games of Stefan
Speaker 1: Diggs in twenty twenty five is probably the realistic.
Speaker 3: So the record if you want to call it that
Speaker 3: for the ACLS. Famously, Adrian Peterson, who tours ACL on
Speaker 3: Christmas was back for Week one and then won the
Speaker 3: MVP because the guy was just we don't talk enough
Speaker 3: about it. How impressive that was. Frankly, I knew he
Speaker 3: had an eight month ACL recovery. I knew he had
Speaker 3: an MVP. I forgot that were the same year. What
Speaker 3: a just amazing player. But you know, is it week one?
Speaker 3: Ready for week one? What does that mean? Maybe he's
Speaker 3: ready to begin football activities week one? Remember last year
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne talked about how he maybe could have played
Speaker 3: at the start of the season, but having those four
Speaker 3: weeks to ramp up football wise made a big difference.
Speaker 3: So maybe week one he's like technically ready, but they
Speaker 3: give him that ramp up. I wonder if there's a
Speaker 3: thing because you have that ability now. And I was
Speaker 3: actually just looking. The NFL just sent out like the
Speaker 3: updated rule change proposals and they are formalizing that thing
Speaker 3: that they added last year where you can choose two
Speaker 3: players who don't make the initial fifty three and designate
Speaker 3: them to return. So I forget exactly what the rules
Speaker 3: are about how involved those players can be in camp? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but is it something where they maybe they.
Speaker 1: Can't be if they can't. Okay, so well, actually, no,
Speaker 1: I take that back. You can't be on pup in
Speaker 1: practice right once you practice, you you're ineligible for pup
Speaker 1: injured reserve. You could technically practice and then go on.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's a thing where maybe, and
Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong on this, I have to really go
Speaker 3: and look at the rule. Yeah, I was gonna do
Speaker 3: that this morning, and then the little stuff happened. Do
Speaker 3: they get Digs back maybe in August around when the
Speaker 3: preseason starts, just to get him on the field with Drake,
Speaker 3: may get the early steps in. He then goes on
Speaker 3: that ir designated return. He continues his ramp up for
Speaker 3: four weeks, and then boom, he hits the ground running
Speaker 3: week five. That might be like a best case scenario
Speaker 3: kind of thing. Yeah, I'm assuming I gotta look up
Speaker 3: that rule.
Speaker 1: I'm expecting to see him in October at some point
Speaker 1: I think is realistic. If it's week one, great, but
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting week one. I'm hoping week one, expecting October.
Speaker 1: Either way, though, he should be healthy to play the
Speaker 1: majority of the season, Like this isn't a situation where
Speaker 1: he's going to be back in December. Right, it should be,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: Will say it what I think helps. I haven't seen
Speaker 3: the medicals. I'm not a doctor. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: from everything I've read, sometimes when guys tear their acls
Speaker 3: like this is this is the case for you? Right?
Speaker 3: It was ACL MCL and I think he did something
Speaker 3: else too, Right, we're PCL or whatever. Other meniscus blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, this and that. As far I can tell,
Speaker 3: with Diggs, it's just the ACL.
Speaker 1: They didn't non contact aco, they.
Speaker 3: Didn't have to fully rebuild his knee or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It was the one ligament. So that has to help, right, Yep.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the we take this next comment?
Speaker 3: All right, Randall's back in Texas?
Speaker 9: Was that?
Speaker 1: Randall?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 11: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Evan?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 11: Yeah, listen to for a year now. I just want
Speaker 11: to give you all a shout out, man, because I've
Speaker 11: started listening to podcast recently, and I've been listening y'all
Speaker 11: since we started the draft and when y'all we got
Speaker 11: Drake May last year.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So I have a couple of questions actually. First off,
Speaker 11: now that we have Steffan Diggs, do you think it's
Speaker 11: kind of redundant to drafts Ed mc miller at umber four?
Speaker 11: And also let's say we do document number four, do
Speaker 11: you feel like who do you feel like would be
Speaker 11: I guess the roster cut after if you weren't a draftman,
Speaker 11: for example, because we would have like what seven may
Speaker 11: receivers after that on the team now from tennim milling,
Speaker 11: who do you think would be like cut candidates that
Speaker 11: were to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Randall, that's a really good question. I thought about
Speaker 1: this too, and I know that it's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: to think about because the Patriots we've been starving for
Speaker 1: talent at that position, and you're not going to turn
Speaker 1: away talent at the receiver position. But numbers are numbers,
Speaker 1: Like there's only so many roster spots, and if you
Speaker 1: draft another receiver with a high draft pick, that's a
Speaker 1: guaranteed roster Locke, He's right, you're talking about having I
Speaker 1: believe eight receivers on the roster that I'll have a
Speaker 1: chance to make the team. It would be the rookie Diggs,
Speaker 1: MATC Collins, Pop Douglas, Kaishawan Boody, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker,
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne. That's a big group, that's it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a big group.
Speaker 3: But you are going to have an extra roster spot
Speaker 3: at the beginning, probably for Diggs.
Speaker 1: But still it's a why would you have an extra
Speaker 1: rosspot because he's like on I R.
Speaker 3: Potentially I'm talking about once you get in the regulars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's eight guys. You want to call it
Speaker 1: seven because of Digs a situation that it might be seven,
Speaker 1: you could keep six and you could do it that way.
Speaker 1: My guess is is that whoever is the odd man
Speaker 1: out is they do try to look for a trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love Kendrick Bourne, but it's possible that he
Speaker 1: could be involved in a trade as a veteran receiver
Speaker 1: with some some cachet, with a resume of success in
Speaker 1: the league. I think you get to the point there
Speaker 1: where you you might have to offload one of those guys,
Speaker 1: whether it's releasing one of the young players that that
Speaker 1: just isn't gonna cut it, or it's trading a guy
Speaker 1: like Kendrick Bourne for whatever you can get for him
Speaker 1: just to make room on the roster. But it's a
Speaker 1: fair question. Even though again I'm not saying don't draft
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter or Tech McMillan because you have too many receivers.
Speaker 1: Nobody's saying that, but it would cause a crunch a
Speaker 1: little bit at that position. You'd have a lot of
Speaker 1: players there.
Speaker 3: And I just the first part of question, I don't
Speaker 3: think McMillan's were done. And by the way, I found
Speaker 3: the rule, and I should have known this from last
Speaker 3: year because Christian Barmore technically practice, yep, and they designated
Speaker 3: him return. So you could absolutely if Diggs is ready
Speaker 3: to practice in mid to late Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, the question is, yeah, if he practices, he
Speaker 1: can place him on injured reserve. There's no problem right now.
Speaker 1: Technically he's supposed to have an injury, and I know
Speaker 1: he does, but like it's he's supposed to have an
Speaker 1: injury that happened, right, like I guess, yeah, yeah, But
Speaker 1: you could always just say that the knee's not ready, right.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a big difference between being clean. It'd
Speaker 3: be I think that would pass. I don't know. You
Speaker 3: don't want to lose a draft pick over it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not like going there. I'm just saying, like, technically,
Speaker 1: injured reserve is because somebody got hurt and how they're
Speaker 1: going on injured reserves. But Isahle's out there suffers a
Speaker 1: concussion and he's on injured reserve.
Speaker 3: What I'm describing though, is like he'd probably be out
Speaker 3: there in a red non contact jersey, is probably only
Speaker 3: doing one on like one on ones if dad, he's
Speaker 3: not doing team drills like a guy that's clearly not
Speaker 3: ready for the season. Yep, I would say Counts is injured.
Speaker 3: I think that that's totally fair. Being able to practice
Speaker 3: and being able to play or two completely different things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he takes him off the pup possibility, right, but
Speaker 1: it definitely puts.
Speaker 3: Him on ir possibility. Like, look, if he's playing in
Speaker 3: preseason games, I see why that would be weird. But
Speaker 3: I don't think he's playing a preseason game. Yep.
Speaker 1: All right, Patty is an Agua on what's up.
Speaker 3: Patty Cup guys, Good afternoon, Good afternoon.
Speaker 9: So I had a couple of questions. The first one
Speaker 9: I'll take on there if that's okay. The second one
Speaker 9: I'll take off there. So just what it's scenario? They
Speaker 9: Carter and Hunter, I got it for. We take Will
Speaker 9: Campbell and the brain Trust to stand, we're going to
Speaker 9: take a receiver at pick thirty eight with our or
Speaker 9: with our second pick, whether they trade up thirty eight
Speaker 9: trades and whatever. Now, we know historically from Wolf's days
Speaker 9: in Green Bay that he favored taller, rengier receivers, and
Speaker 9: we know that historically with Josh McDaniels, they like kind
Speaker 9: of the smaller, shiftier slot guys. Now, let's say the
Speaker 9: choice comes down between the two Iowa State guys. Could
Speaker 9: you see like that getting contentious with Wolfe or do
Speaker 9: you think like he would just defer to his coaching
Speaker 9: staff and say, you know, all right, if you guys
Speaker 9: wanting to well, do you think he's a better fit
Speaker 9: for the system we're gonna run, We'll go with them.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that they would defer to the coaches.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, And I don't think that's something
Speaker 1: that happened on draft night. Those are conversations that are happening. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: And everything that he said, Elliot Wolfe has said since
Speaker 1: the combine really is that he wants to pick players
Speaker 1: if the coaches want to coach, like, he wants to
Speaker 1: get guys to coaches like. I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to force. I think the exact line he gave was
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to force players on the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that he's in the business of
Speaker 1: doing that. So if they truly feel h strongly as
Speaker 1: a staff, as a coaching staff, that Jalen Noel is
Speaker 1: a better player than Jayden Higgins for them, then they'll
Speaker 1: take Noel.
Speaker 3: It was the second question. I think that was the
Speaker 3: only question he said he had.
Speaker 1: All right, I want to get into this question though
Speaker 1: from Floyd.
Speaker 3: The second question is always like really nerdy ones.
Speaker 1: He can email it in her callback, Patty before we
Speaker 1: get to the rest of these phones. I do want
Speaker 1: to answer this question because I think it's a it's
Speaker 1: the next on my dock and we kind of got lost.
Speaker 3: Is this your take? No, But okay, guys, I want
Speaker 3: to get to that.
Speaker 1: But this is I go ahead, lost in the sauce
Speaker 1: of the Campbell arm length conversation a little bit. But uh,
Speaker 1: this is from Floyd and Michigan, not emailing it about
Speaker 1: Mason Graham for once, which is nice.
Speaker 3: And Floyd says, could you please.
Speaker 1: Discuss the signing of Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston and
Speaker 1: the impact on the draft for the Giants. So last
Speaker 1: night on Twitter, Alex I got finger wagged. I got
Speaker 1: finger wagged big time. How dare you on Twitter for
Speaker 1: suggesting that maybe the Giants having two veteran quarterbacks under
Speaker 1: contract could take them out of the quarterback sweepstakes? And
Speaker 1: how could I?
Speaker 3: Like? How could I? Because I've gotten fingerwack for that too.
Speaker 3: Let me just point this out. Yeah, the Giants being
Speaker 3: out of the quarterback conversation at three and the Giants
Speaker 3: being out of the quarterback conversation period or two different things. Right.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's you know, Brian day Ball is coaching for
Speaker 3: his job. Joe Shane is building this team for his
Speaker 3: job right now. And you could look at it one
Speaker 3: of two ways. You could look at it and say,
Speaker 3: they want as many options as possible to make sure
Speaker 3: they're good, or maybe they want a young quarterback so
Speaker 3: that ownership has to keep more undeveloped that guy. But
Speaker 3: if they feel like Russell Wilson with Jamis Winston is
Speaker 3: like a floor, they may look at it and say, well,
Speaker 3: let's get these guys on the weapon. We don't necessarily
Speaker 3: believe in these quarterbacks as much. And then you know,
Speaker 3: how big is the gap between to them? So this
Speaker 3: is the one thing I don't think the Giants are
Speaker 3: abdol Carter doesn't make sense for them. The one thing
Speaker 3: they have is edge. So if you get Carter and
Speaker 3: Hunter on the board for them, it's quarterbacks one two.
Speaker 3: If they're just not going quarterback, right, let's say armand
Speaker 3: Membu go second. I've seen that in a couple of
Speaker 3: mont drafts. Yeah, I think it's Hunter not Carter, and
Speaker 3: then Carter falls to the Patriots. But do they look
Speaker 3: at it and say, well, all right, what's the gap
Speaker 3: between Hunter and say who's a Oman or I guess
Speaker 3: would be the guy right or Luther Burton? Even what's
Speaker 3: the gap between Hunter and Luther Burden versus the gap
Speaker 3: between Shader Sanders and Jackson Dart If he falls, maybe
Speaker 3: they trade back up, or Jackson Dart and Will Howard
Speaker 3: or Jackson Dart or sorry, Shoulder Sanders and Jalen Miller,
Speaker 3: Shadeur Sanders and Will Howard or something like that. Do
Speaker 3: they look at it and say, well, let's just we
Speaker 3: have Russell Wilson, who we know can handle himself, got
Speaker 3: a team in the playoffs last year, kind of let's
Speaker 3: just get him another weapon and then we'll you know,
Speaker 3: we'll develop Millrow, or we'll develop Dart, or will develop
Speaker 3: Howard or something like that. I could see that being there.
Speaker 3: That makes as much sense to me is them going
Speaker 3: quarterback at three.
Speaker 1: Makes more sense to me.
Speaker 3: So a couple of things, well, all depends how they
Speaker 3: feel about you shed there, But.
Speaker 1: A couple of things. One, I agree with your line
Speaker 1: of thinking completely. To me, if you wanted to take
Speaker 1: a quarterback at the top of the day and you're
Speaker 1: gonna target Shadoor Sanders at the top of the draft,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to sign two bridge quarterbacks, right, There's
Speaker 1: no reason for it. You would sign your Jacoby Brissett,
Speaker 1: who probably would have been Jameis Winston, right, and you
Speaker 1: would have drafted Shador and you would have done exactly
Speaker 1: what the Patriots did last season with Drake May and
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. You would have had the exact same setup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a regime, and Brian Dable and Joe Shane, who
Speaker 1: are coaching and GMing for their jobs right now, who
Speaker 1: are on the hottest of hot seats, like I think
Speaker 1: they might have the hottest seat in the NFL.
Speaker 3: They yeah, probably they are on.
Speaker 1: The hottest of hot seats. Drafting Shador Sanders to sit
Speaker 1: him behind Russell Wilson does not help them keep their
Speaker 1: jobs at all.
Speaker 3: No, at all.
Speaker 1: And I understand everybody brings up the Michael Pennock situation
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It was a first year coach in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: They had some leeway, they had some rope, And I
Speaker 1: would also add, well, they also probably thought that Michael
Speaker 1: Penix was a really damn good quarterback. I don't think
Speaker 1: Shador has thought of in that way. And the last thing.
Speaker 3: I'll do, we don't think Pennix was thought of in
Speaker 3: that way last year. But I'll just honest I had
Speaker 3: a credit Fred Toucher for this because I was talking
Speaker 3: to him about this yesterday. Do you think that there's
Speaker 3: any chance that Shown or Shane and Dave Ball look
Speaker 3: at it as we all right, we're gonna go to ownership. Hey,
Speaker 3: we just drafted this kid. You got to keep us
Speaker 3: here to develop him because if you fire us, the
Speaker 3: next guys might not want him. And now you blew
Speaker 3: this pick. Do you think that there's any chance that
Speaker 3: they see drafting him as kind of giving themselves a
Speaker 3: lifeline a life jacket, if anything.
Speaker 1: Drafting him would give them a lifeline by playing him
Speaker 1: and saying we got to work out the rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: quirks well.
Speaker 3: But like either way, I'm saying, like there's an argument
Speaker 3: you made that drafting him one way, like you have
Speaker 3: to play him. Maybe they don't plan on play. Maybe
Speaker 3: they think Russell Wilson is like a high level bridge.
Speaker 1: So Russell Wilson is getting paid ten million dollars of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money that for next year.
Speaker 3: That's the last year.
Speaker 1: Eight Yeah, but not ten and no it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I think it was eight total. I think it was
Speaker 3: eight total.
Speaker 1: Anyways, my point is this with the Giants, you can
Speaker 1: look at it one of two ways. If you're a
Speaker 1: Patriots fan that's hoping that that they're gonna have Abdul
Speaker 1: Carter or Travis Hunter fall in their laps at four,
Speaker 1: the class half full is is that the New York
Speaker 1: Giants either I guess there's three ways they do it anyway, right,
Speaker 1: and they draft shed Door at three overall and have
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in the room. They the Browns take Shador,
Speaker 1: which would obviously help if it's one two cam Ward
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders. My fear and my fear all along with
Speaker 1: this quarterback class is that I don't think the league
Speaker 1: is as high on Shadoor Sanders as the outside noises.
Speaker 1: I just I think that's been the reporting, and that's
Speaker 1: been the sense, that's been the feel going all the
Speaker 1: way back to January. And what happens is is we
Speaker 1: get thrust into the draft and all, and we go
Speaker 1: months and months and months, and we turn and turn
Speaker 1: and turn, and usually by the time that April twenty
Speaker 1: fifth rolls around her twenty fourth or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: we're back to square one, which is this is the
Speaker 1: board that was set in January, based off the scouts
Speaker 1: and the tape back in the football season.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So the whole take that I have right now is
Speaker 1: Shador is that I think it's just as likely that
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a Shador Sanders slide as it is
Speaker 1: that we're going to see him go in the top three.
Speaker 1: Like I think that there's a chance that nobody wants
Speaker 1: you to door in the top three. And the last thing
Speaker 1: that I you know, reason why I feel that way
Speaker 1: it feels to me is everybody's looking for a lifeboat
Speaker 1: to escape drafting Shador Sanders High. Like everybody's looking for
Speaker 1: their Russell Wilson, their t Smith, their Aaron Rodgers, potentially
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in Cleveland. There's a lot of smoke there.
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna get left on the outside though. There's not
Speaker 3: a game of musical chairs. There's not enough seats, and
Speaker 3: maybe that is the.
Speaker 1: But it could be in the New Orleans Saints, or it
Speaker 1: could be the Pittsburgh Steel or you know, it's not
Speaker 1: going to necessarily be one of those times three teams
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: Brissett got seven million guaranteed here last year. Okay, so
Speaker 3: Wilson attends it's a little gap, but the cap went up,
Speaker 3: but as a definitive backup this year, definitive backup. You
Speaker 3: know which Kobe re Set got for guaranteed money? What
Speaker 3: eight million? Wow? I don't think ten million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 3: is like a locked in starting quarterback contract.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's I just don't think that signing. I think
Speaker 1: signing both those quarterbacks doesn't smell quarterback at three. Like
Speaker 1: if they had just signed Jamis or if they had
Speaker 1: just signed Russell Wilson, absolutely then quarterback at three is
Speaker 1: much really in play. Bringing all three of those quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make anything.
Speaker 3: I just check out. I default two teams get weird
Speaker 3: and stupid at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: So maybe the rule the stupid team is Cleveland, in
Speaker 1: which case that's but but I would just say if
Speaker 1: it's Cleveland, I don't think that's the best case scenario
Speaker 1: for the Patriots either, because I think the Giants go
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I well, some people would argue Abdul Carter is
Speaker 3: a better outcome than try was Hunter because he's a
Speaker 3: better player, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that it's because he's not a
Speaker 1: better player.
Speaker 3: I have him as a better because you want offense.
Speaker 3: I want to and that's fair. That's a fair argument.
Speaker 3: Multiple teams can get done at quarterback, and I would
Speaker 3: say you are. It's already a position where teams are
Speaker 3: willing to really over extend themselves and get desperate. You
Speaker 3: bring up the Michael Pennox move, which I'm on the
Speaker 3: record is liking. That's a desperate move. It worked out,
Speaker 3: but that's a desperate, Hail Mary kind of move. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not a desperate move to me,
Speaker 1: that was trusting your scouting, like they thought that Michael
Speaker 1: Pennix was a franchise I could get back, and he
Speaker 1: fell into their laps there and they couldn't pass on
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback. I just don't think that they don't
Speaker 1: think the scouts like the other players there too. I
Speaker 1: just don't think that the league views should here that way.
Speaker 3: So okay, but but here's my point, like teams will
Speaker 3: we already know teams will get desperate in a little
Speaker 3: out of pocket with the quarterback situation to begin with.
Speaker 3: You compound that with you have both the head coach
Speaker 3: and the GM having the hottest seat in the league
Speaker 3: at their respective positions. The Giants are in perfect position
Speaker 3: to do something totally crazy, whether it works or not,
Speaker 3: whether it's the right decision or not. I don't think
Speaker 3: you could take anything off the table, whether it's taking
Speaker 3: a quarterback at three, whether it's passing on three and
Speaker 3: going to thirty eight, whether it's taking quarterbacks at three
Speaker 3: and thirty eight, whether it's not taking a quarterback at all.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything the New York Giants can
Speaker 3: do at this point. There's one thing that would surprise me, Frankly,
Speaker 3: and it's if they take Abdul Carter anything else. You
Speaker 3: tell me they take Will Campbell, You tell me they
Speaker 3: take Ted McMillan again, multiple quarterbacks, no quarterbacks. I don't
Speaker 3: think there's anything the Giants can do at this point
Speaker 3: that would surprise me. To me, it's all on the
Speaker 3: table with them.
Speaker 1: I just look at the Giants right now, and you
Speaker 1: mentioned it. They need to win point blank right in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Yes, they need to win in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, and you know, maybe Fred Toucher and you
Speaker 1: will be right about it, buying them some leash if
Speaker 1: they had to develop this young quarterback like Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1: I don't look at it that way. I think that
Speaker 1: this is the Maras are gonna look at this as
Speaker 1: a results based season. Are you do you get to
Speaker 1: our floor wind.
Speaker 3: Total or not?
Speaker 1: Like if let's say they said it at six seven games,
Speaker 1: do you win seven games or do you not? If
Speaker 1: you do well, you get another year. If you don't,
Speaker 1: you're out. Like it's I really think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: that cut and dry. What helps the Giants win seven
Speaker 1: plus games next year? The most sitting, drafting and sitting
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders for a portion or all of the season,
Speaker 1: or drafting Travis Hunters.
Speaker 3: So that's a very logical way to look at it.
Speaker 3: But are they sitting there and saying, we need to
Speaker 3: make sure we have a viable quarterback this year? Jamis
Speaker 3: Winston's erratic, Russell Wilson is old, do we want to
Speaker 3: make sure we have a third option? So even if
Speaker 3: we get here's the thing, Wilson and Winston both have
Speaker 3: their questions, your your jobs on the line. Would you
Speaker 3: spend like you're gonna go to Tommy DeVito. I guess
Speaker 3: it's it's not necessarily a logical way of looking at it,
Speaker 3: But I'm saying you have to.
Speaker 1: Question it doesn't that's not how teams typically operate.
Speaker 3: Let me put it. It's not it's not how teams
Speaker 3: typically Well again, I go back to the Penix thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, but the Penix thing was different.
Speaker 3: But it's not. It's teams getting weird about the quarterback coaching.
Speaker 1: Staff in the in the general manager in Atlanta or
Speaker 1: in a much different place. That has to be said,
Speaker 1: like they're in a much different right.
Speaker 3: They had less incentive to do something like that. The
Speaker 3: Giants are more incentivized to grasp.
Speaker 1: But straws they had more incentive though, to take some
Speaker 1: on a on a weird pick. I guess you can't
Speaker 1: if you're the Giants. You cannot draft a player at
Speaker 1: three overall that doesn't play as a rookie. You can't
Speaker 1: do that as a as an organ, as a regime.
Speaker 3: Unless they think, unless they think less of Russ than
Speaker 3: we're maybe projecting something because they're really nervous about quarterback
Speaker 3: and they it's that.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Is it possible. I'm not saying it makes sense, but
Speaker 3: teams have done it. It's kind of like, as I'm
Speaker 3: speaking through it now, are they taking the Are they
Speaker 3: gonna take the same approach a quarterback that the Patriots
Speaker 3: took at the offensive line last year? Well, let's just
Speaker 3: get bodies, Let's just get as many bodies. And so
Speaker 3: this is what I'm saying. So maybe it's not at three,
Speaker 3: but I'm not rolling out. And by the way, within
Speaker 3: all of this, and yes day Ball and Shane hot seat,
Speaker 3: shouldn't Kevin Stefanski's seat be just as hot? The Browns
Speaker 3: haven't made the playoffs in five years.
Speaker 1: I'm not rolling out to Brown's taking Sha Door.
Speaker 3: I'm like the Browns. We could have the same conversation
Speaker 3: about are you betting your job? Like I feel better
Speaker 3: betting my job on Russell Wilson than I do on
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett. And I don't feel great about Russell Wilson,
Speaker 3: but I feel better about Russell Wilson than Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1: I am not taking anything off the table for anybody.
Speaker 1: But if I had to guess, the Giants know one
Speaker 1: of two things. Chador stinks, nobody wants you Door yep,
Speaker 1: which I think is a possibility.
Speaker 3: What if this all just is them getting turn the
Speaker 3: second round.
Speaker 1: That's I'm not totally ruling that out, or like late
Speaker 1: first round trade up situation. Chador stinks and nobody wants
Speaker 1: him because in my mind, everybody's running for an escape
Speaker 1: route from drafting Shador standers. The Saints brought back Derek
Speaker 1: Carr for God only knows what reason. Right The Raiders
Speaker 1: traded for Gino Smith. The Giants signed multiple bridge quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: The Seahawks paid Sam Donald one hundred million.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks paid Sam Darnald. The Steelers are gonna potentially
Speaker 1: sign Aaron Rodgers. They all are getting.
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks pay justin fields.
Speaker 1: Sure, they all are getting quarterbacks to avoid having to
Speaker 1: reach on a quarterback in the draft, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of them probably would feel like Shador in
Speaker 1: the top five is a reach. Now the glass half
Speaker 1: full again, is that maybe the quarterbacks are going one
Speaker 1: to two and the Giants know it, so they know
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get one, unlike the Patriots last year
Speaker 1: who had three with three quarterbacks, right, and so they
Speaker 1: had to go other, go elsewhere with the quarterback. Now
Speaker 1: it's that's still okay for the Patriots, it's not My
Speaker 1: ideal is still Travis Hunter. So I don't think that's ideal.
Speaker 1: But you're still getting ad to a carter, which is.
Speaker 3: Great, or maybe a haul in a trade down. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know that's sensitive subject.
Speaker 1: But another one I got fingered right, yeah, the same person. Anyways,
Speaker 1: let's get into armand Membu here a little bit and
Speaker 1: then well we'll wrap up some of these calls.
Speaker 3: Uh wait, same person. What Oh, I know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about now?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh with armand Membu, so we're getting a lot of calls,
Speaker 1: getting a lot of emails about him at four. Overall,
Speaker 1: my feeling on armand Membu and I did some digging
Speaker 1: on this, and I asked around about this to a
Speaker 1: couple of people that would know My feeling on armand
Speaker 1: membu is that there's almost I would say there is
Speaker 1: just as small as a sample size of career college
Speaker 1: right tackles flipping sides to left tackle and being good
Speaker 1: successfully successfully. Yeah, you're really looking at one guy and
Speaker 1: then like one and a half. Okay, Tristan Wharf's is
Speaker 1: the is the one right if you want to point
Speaker 1: to somebody, just like we point to some of the
Speaker 1: shorter tackles with Will Campbell and say that the guy
Speaker 1: that the Shawn Slater is the guy for Will Campbell
Speaker 1: in terms of shorter arm tackles that made it in
Speaker 1: the NFL. If you're looking for that guy, then Tristan
Speaker 1: WARF's is the guy. He was a college right tackle.
Speaker 1: He actually played his first season at right tackle in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I forget who it was.
Speaker 3: Who do they haven't left Donald Penn?
Speaker 1: They had somebody at left tackle, might have been Donald
Speaker 1: Penn for Brady's Super Bowl year, Tristan Worf's played right tackle.
Speaker 3: Oh it was Donovd Smith, right, Donovan Smith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those guys that guy moved on, retired, whatever,
Speaker 1: and Tristan Worfs has since flipped and is an All Pro.
Speaker 1: He's fantastic, He's one of the best. Him and Penny
Speaker 1: Soel are the two best tackles in football in Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: So that's your guy if you want that to happen.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was Donald Smith, the other guy, the.
Speaker 1: Half guy like Jedrick Wills did it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we count Jedrick Wills as like a great player.
Speaker 3: If they take Jedrick Will it four overall, I'm with you, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so do that later in the draft.
Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills did it, and then the other couple are
Speaker 1: attempting to do it. Tyler goeighton Talisa Fugala, who I
Speaker 1: don't know is gonna continue to do that. Jac Latham
Speaker 1: and Tennessee did it his rookie season, and then they
Speaker 1: signed Dan Moore Junior to the worst contract in free
Speaker 1: agency to move jac Latham back to right tackle. Right
Speaker 1: So Tyler Goetton like was on and off the bench
Speaker 1: all year long in Dallas trying to play left tackle
Speaker 1: as a college right tackle, and jac Latham played it
Speaker 1: in Tennessee for one of the worst teams in football,
Speaker 1: and then was immediately moved not one of the worst
Speaker 1: team in football, and then was asked to move back
Speaker 1: to right tackle, and they signed Dan Moore Junior. So,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna sit here and we're gonna say that
Speaker 1: there's a tiny sample size of short arm left tackles
Speaker 1: that have made it in the NFL a llah Will Campbell.
Speaker 1: There's similarly a tiny sample size of right tackles that
Speaker 1: have flip sides to left tackles and have worked out
Speaker 1: a la armand Membu. In terms of Membo the town,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of talent there. He's better
Speaker 1: run blocker than he is a pass blocker. He's a
Speaker 1: very very good run blocker, especially on zone schemes. On
Speaker 1: the front side of zone schemes. He can hook the
Speaker 1: end and get you out on the edge in a hurry,
Speaker 1: and he's very very good at that. He's very good
Speaker 1: at climbing to the second level of the defense. He
Speaker 1: is a great run blocker, really good run blocker. Based
Speaker 1: off of his measureables, he can play tackle. He's got
Speaker 1: the athleticism, he's got the length. His body type is
Speaker 1: a little bit of guard he's a thicker body, shorter, thicker, shorter,
Speaker 1: stouter body type. But he's he's gonna, I think, with
Speaker 1: the length and with the athleticism, is going to check
Speaker 1: out as a tackle for most teams.
Speaker 3: So he was was he was a guard. He did
Speaker 3: start playing football TI late till I think like tenth grade,
Speaker 3: and he was recruited to Missouri as a guard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then kicked out to tackle once he got there.
Speaker 1: So I think we're in the same spot that we
Speaker 1: are with Will Campbell. If you like Armand Membu's tape
Speaker 1: better than Will Campbell's, then you could say that he
Speaker 1: can flip sides just like Will Campbell can make it
Speaker 1: work with shorter arms. I think it's a risk just
Speaker 1: the same. So if you're if you're out on Will
Speaker 1: Campbell was short because of short arms, I can't really
Speaker 1: see how you're in on flipping Armond Membou right, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like both those things are equal in terms
Speaker 1: of the risk with the or the risk reward with
Speaker 1: the player.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's a risk either way with you. And
Speaker 1: then I also just you can't draft a guy there
Speaker 1: with Morgan Moses at right tackle and plan on sitting
Speaker 1: him like he's.
Speaker 3: Got the fourth overall pick, has to play right now.
Speaker 3: Some people might say, try him at left tackle for
Speaker 3: the year, then move him back over when Morgan moses
Speaker 3: or tires.
Speaker 1: But could do it, or just.
Speaker 3: Take a left tackle and then take a right tackle
Speaker 3: next year in a better class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do it now. The emailer that kind
Speaker 1: of sparked U, you know seguitoes into this, said that
Speaker 1: you know that that exact plan, right, why don't you
Speaker 1: play him at left tackle as a rookie kind of
Speaker 1: like guard as a fallback for Will Campbell. The fallback
Speaker 1: for Armond Membu is that we're just gonna flip him
Speaker 1: back to.
Speaker 3: His naturals because and it's the same risk with Campbell
Speaker 3: because if he can't do it, now, what are you
Speaker 3: doing at left tackle? And if you're gonna say go
Speaker 3: get a bridge, I would say, then just get a
Speaker 3: bridge and draft the tackle next year. Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 1: It's hard to project his tape. I would say as
Speaker 1: a pass blocker I mentioned earlier, you know these RPO
Speaker 1: college offenses run heavy offenses. I would describe Miszoo as
Speaker 1: run heavy. You know, they ran the ball.
Speaker 3: They were this year if you go back and watch
Speaker 3: twenty three, you'll get some more because they just they
Speaker 3: had to get away from Brady Cook. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They also he played on the right side. He did
Speaker 1: not face the same level of rushers that Will Campbell did,
Speaker 1: And I would also just mention that he got some
Speaker 1: help on that right side. They tended to help their tackles,
Speaker 1: like quite a bit at Missouri, chipping moving the pocket.
Speaker 3: Because they good luck because they had Javon Foster last
Speaker 3: year if you any player before that time.
Speaker 1: So they didn't have as many. He doesn't have as
Speaker 1: many true dropbacks on his tape as Will Campbell does.
Speaker 1: I think he's a decent pass protector, but I think
Speaker 1: he's a better run blocker that to me screams right tackle.
Speaker 1: That's typically a right tackle in the NFL, high level
Speaker 1: run blocker, solid pass protector. You keep him on the
Speaker 1: right side so he's not on the blind side of
Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's typically the thought process there. But we'll
Speaker 1: see a couple of other things on tackles. One draft
Speaker 1: guy that I want to get to here in a second,
Speaker 1: that that I have watched recently, but this is from
Speaker 1: Phil in Toronto. He asks about Tyron Smith and signing
Speaker 1: him as a potential stop gap. I've started to come
Speaker 1: around on Tyron Smith already, but just reading the tea
Speaker 1: leaves of what they've done so far, doesn't it make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that they would do something like
Speaker 1: that to go into the draft and take best player
Speaker 1: available and not be hamstrung by need and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. They've done that at every single other
Speaker 1: position on the roster now, especially with Diggs right with
Speaker 1: the signing out wide receiver, they have found a serviceable
Speaker 1: answer for twenty twenty five for the short term at
Speaker 1: every every other position on the roster edge rusher with
Speaker 1: Harold Landry and Chase on right tackle, with Morgan Moses
Speaker 1: wide receiver, with Stefon Diggs and Matt Collins. The only
Speaker 1: spot that they haven't done that yet with his left tackle,
Speaker 1: which makes me feel like, is there a Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: offer out there? There could be. He was a I
Speaker 1: would say NFL average left tackle for the Jets last year,
Speaker 1: just like Morgan Moses was an NFL average right tackle.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get Tyron Smith. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: respectable NFL caliber left tackle. Pair him with a high
Speaker 1: draft pick, even if he doesn't play the whole season
Speaker 1: because the injuries, which has been a problem for him,
Speaker 1: you have Josh Connerley, Arion Rasrie, whoever waiting in the wings.
Speaker 1: I don't rule it out because that's what they've done
Speaker 1: everywhere else on the roster.
Speaker 3: If they were to do that, how would you feel
Speaker 3: about drafting I guess you could do this with Membu
Speaker 3: or Campbell at four, playing that guy at left guard
Speaker 3: this year, and then moving that guy out to there,
Speaker 3: which tackle position next year.
Speaker 1: I'll love it because I just I don't want to
Speaker 1: do the mic on one. No right where like he's
Speaker 1: playing inside, playing outside, is playing left, he's playing right,
Speaker 1: like I guess I would like I would prefer to
Speaker 1: have him entrenched. The only say that with a Day
Speaker 1: two pick that you're not quite as invested in, And
Speaker 1: that's different like if they drafted, uh just throwing a
Speaker 1: name out there. If they drafted like Anthony Belton, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they played him at left guard and then maybe
Speaker 1: they they projected him as left tackle long term. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't hate that upside play there, maybe not at four them.
Speaker 3: The only reason I say that is because all right,
Speaker 3: if they answer it at left tackle, it truly is
Speaker 3: best player available. Can't you make a really strong case
Speaker 3: that Campbell's still the best player available.
Speaker 1: If those two guys are off the board.
Speaker 3: Sure, and now you really don't need to chase a
Speaker 3: need the I mean the alternative would be, does Aston
Speaker 3: Genty become more realistic if they signed Tyron Smith?
Speaker 1: That's what the emailer. That was the case the emailer. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: take ash gent.
Speaker 3: I mean there's an argument there.
Speaker 1: There's an argument. I just look at the you know,
Speaker 1: before we even get to the repercussions on the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just look at what they've done so far in
Speaker 1: free agency, and that's the one spot where they don't
Speaker 1: have an answers.
Speaker 3: But does he want to come here? That's that's why
Speaker 3: they haven't gotten any left tackle? Yes, not guys that
Speaker 3: want to come here. If it's Hunter, Carter gone, phone
Speaker 3: not ringing for Tyron Smith is here? Who's your pick?
Speaker 1: Hard Carter? Hunter gone? And Tyron Smith is here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Still Will Campbell and you're playing him at left guard?
Speaker 3: Is it tat McMillan to add to the receiver room?
Speaker 3: Is it member with guard and moving the right tackle
Speaker 3: next year? Is genty Moore in play now, is Tyler
Speaker 3: Warren Moore in play Now? I'm on Jalen Walker.
Speaker 1: I would steer towards Campbell still, I think that they
Speaker 1: might go for one of those Georgia guys, and they
Speaker 1: might go for defense to really put the cherry on
Speaker 1: top of the defense right and really completed, at least
Speaker 1: in their eyes, right with a Jalen Walker or something.
Speaker 3: So you would take Campbell and playment left guard, yeah,
Speaker 3: because if you're taking him there, you're playing him and
Speaker 3: then the is he's kicking out next year? Yep. At
Speaker 3: that point, I don't know if i'd do it. I
Speaker 3: have a long look at Ashton gent Man at that point.
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, I think I might go McMillan in
Speaker 3: that situation because now you're like really putting that wide
Speaker 3: receiver room together. You're giving Drake may at target he
Speaker 3: can grow within the long term, and maybe McMillan doesn't
Speaker 3: have quite the ceiling of a guy usually take up there.
Speaker 3: But I guess you're still gonna have to go left
Speaker 3: tackle next year in the draft. But like, if you
Speaker 3: take McMillan there and he becomes your T Higgins and
Speaker 3: next year you draft the Jamar Chase. You're really like
Speaker 3: you're in great shape. That's a tough one. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a tough one.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still not taking genty, but I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 3: I said i'd have a long look. I didn't say
Speaker 3: I take him, but I'd have a long That's a
Speaker 3: nice cop out, all right, Roger just said I might
Speaker 3: take me.
Speaker 1: Robin mccatskills has a question about Charles Grant from William
Speaker 1: and Mary, who I watched recently. He's kind of the
Speaker 1: the middle round, like, you know, a high upside tackle
Speaker 1: prospect right like raw, really toolsy. You can see the athleticism,
Speaker 1: you can see the movement skills and the range at
Speaker 1: the position right when you turn on the tape. He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys played at a lower level at
Speaker 1: William and Mary. With all those guys, I always say
Speaker 1: the same thing when you turn on the tape, do
Speaker 1: you know who you're watching?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Do you are?
Speaker 1: You automatically like, that's the guy that's gonna be an
Speaker 1: NFL player because he's obviously not playing with other NFL
Speaker 1: players on the field. So there's one guy that belongs
Speaker 1: in the league. And if he doesn't move like that,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't displace defenders in terms of blocking. You know,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the play strength and the athleticism
Speaker 1: that just are separating him from the rest of the
Speaker 1: guys on the field, and then he's not the guy
Speaker 1: I did think. I saw that with Charles Grant. Now
Speaker 1: at that being said, his past sets need to be
Speaker 1: completely reworked from the ground up. He is a total project.
Speaker 1: In pass protection, he's a kind of like a segmented
Speaker 1: just like clunky mover and pass protection. But he also
Speaker 1: is you know, baited easily out of his leverage, you know,
Speaker 1: with fakes and stutters and things like that, as hand
Speaker 1: placement issues, footwork issues.
Speaker 3: He's got a.
Speaker 1: Long way to go as a pass protector. He's a
Speaker 1: true project. That's you're taking this guy to develop him
Speaker 1: over a two or three year period. Not an answer
Speaker 1: right away at left tackle. But that being said, when
Speaker 1: you get past that Connery Simmons ursery tier, if you
Speaker 1: want to throw Covin Banks in there, when you get
Speaker 1: past that tier, you're really you're at like Anthony Belton
Speaker 1: in Charles in Charles Brant, like that's like the next
Speaker 1: tier of true left tackles, probably in the third or
Speaker 1: fourth round. So I see some upside there. I see
Speaker 1: some potential there, but certainly not a long term answer
Speaker 1: at that position, or not a day one answer, I
Speaker 1: should say, at that position. So let's get back to
Speaker 1: the phones and we'll wrap it up here. A few
Speaker 1: more thoughts on some pro day stuff, but let's let's
Speaker 1: get back to the phones. Craig is in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: What's up, Craig?
Speaker 12: Hello, here you go.
Speaker 1: You're on the air. What's up?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You can?
Speaker 12: I mean, okay, cool, let me turn up my sound here. Sorry. Anyways, God,
Speaker 12: I am just so excited about getting to Pond Diggs.
Speaker 3: And if you.
Speaker 12: Actually, for one, I agree with what you said Evan
Speaker 12: on he he elevates the receiving room immensely. And if
Speaker 12: you've seen his workouts, I mean, how much weight he's
Speaker 12: actually putting on that knee. I just blew my mind.
Speaker 12: I'm like, man, this guy's gonna be ready to go.
Speaker 12: So I know you guys are hypothetical and whether he'll
Speaker 12: be ready to go, but I think I think, man,
Speaker 12: it's going to be something amazing to watch and totally
Speaker 12: change the teams. But you know, I coached football for
Speaker 12: five years So this is how I fulfill my need
Speaker 12: now that I'm not coaching. Listening to Evan and his
Speaker 12: breakdown has been amazing. But one thing about Bill Belichick
Speaker 12: is whenever he couldn't defend someone and he would out,
Speaker 12: he would, you know, make a big effort, go out
Speaker 12: and get him. Like Milton Williams. There's a guy that
Speaker 12: pretty much really hard to defend. Thinking with Diggs, but
Speaker 12: I liked your take on the Tyrone Smith. I think
Speaker 12: we need to go grab him right away.
Speaker 9: That's all I got.
Speaker 1: Thanks Greg, Thanks for the call. It's exciting and I
Speaker 1: was texting you about this before the show. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he'll be healthy for training camp, yeah, but
Speaker 1: if he is, I'm just really looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: him practice because we cover camps and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to throw shade at the receivers that we've covered. But
Speaker 1: it's not exactly been Steffan Diggs right, like, we haven't
Speaker 1: really seen that. The one time I saw it was
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams in Vegas right when we had the joint practices,
Speaker 1: AJ Brown last year when he came for the joint
Speaker 1: practices with Philadelphia. But to see a guy of that
Speaker 1: caliber practice day in and day out. I think would
Speaker 1: be a great just for entertainment purposes, but also great
Speaker 1: just for understanding what it looks like like in a
Speaker 1: practice of Like, this is what an elite receiver looks
Speaker 1: like on the practice field. I hope that we get
Speaker 1: to see that at least a little bit, maybe towards
Speaker 1: the end of training camp. All right, this is a
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 3: A big one. We gotta we gotta go to big
Speaker 3: ee Eldred.
Speaker 1: You got a receiver?
Speaker 3: Man? Do you like it? What do you think.
Speaker 11: There?
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 2: Fello's how y'all do it? Hey? Yeah? I like Diggs.
Speaker 2: I wanted Diggs when he tried to leave Minnesota and
Speaker 2: Brady get the Kicks or whatever and billow Chick wouldn't
Speaker 2: take him eighteen Buffalo got him after that and who
Speaker 2: I ask every every year? So I wanted him back then.
Speaker 2: But question something my hurt on the radio, Evan and uh,
Speaker 2: let's say Travis Hunter is right there, poor you right there,
Speaker 2: dollas come up to you, say they give you they
Speaker 2: number one they won this year, one next year, a
Speaker 2: two this year and a three to four next year
Speaker 2: to get Travis Herner? Would you do it?
Speaker 1: It's a good question, alidra Dot thanks for the call,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we finally got a receive for Aldred
Speaker 1: has been calling in.
Speaker 3: There's some extra in net in that in at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since I got here, and I'm sure even before that,
Speaker 1: I know it's big DK guy. So that's all the
Speaker 1: way back to nineteen. I would not do that for
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, I don't think, just because to me, it
Speaker 1: just it marries up way too well with need and
Speaker 1: player and talent and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: You're getting a future first. I'd see if I could
Speaker 3: switch those secondary picks, get a future second and a third.
Speaker 3: This year you get two extra I don't think Cowboy's
Speaker 3: gonna be very good this year. You get two extra
Speaker 3: top fifty picks. Next year, in a much better draft,
Speaker 3: You're still gonna be able to get a solid player
Speaker 3: at twelve. Like if you can get Matthew Golden at
Speaker 3: twelve and then you have two first round picks next year,
Speaker 3: that's tantalizing.
Speaker 1: Man, it's exciting. It's it's intriguing. I should say, so
Speaker 1: is pairing Travis Hunter and Drake May for the next decade.
Speaker 3: That's true, right, but what if it's uh, the Kendrick
Speaker 3: law next year. I'm just pulling names. I really haven't
Speaker 3: done that much info on these guys, but like Carnell
Speaker 3: Tait next year from Ohio State, and it's that guy, and.
Speaker 1: I just I would do it for abdul Carter. They
Speaker 1: have enough on defense. Yes, abdul Carter would be the
Speaker 1: finishing piece, and that would be you have.
Speaker 3: To get a haul to trade abdol Carter. But like
Speaker 3: if someone think give you a hall, you get.
Speaker 1: A haul if if they if it's abdul Carter at
Speaker 1: four and I said this over the weekend, it's the
Speaker 1: other thing that got me chirped on the internet. If
Speaker 1: it's abdul Carter at four and somebody offers you that
Speaker 1: that's the will Anderson trade package, which I think was
Speaker 1: my take. By the way, So will Anderson trade package
Speaker 1: to move down to let's say to ten to twelve
Speaker 1: range and you get all the stuff that that Eldred said.
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots have too seriously consider doing that
Speaker 1: because I think they could play a game tomorrow with
Speaker 1: Mike Brabel coaching them up and have a pretty good defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, abdul Carter would maybe take it from good to great.
Speaker 1: I don't allow for that, but I think that you
Speaker 1: would have invested heavily now Digs. It doesn't change it,
Speaker 1: but it kind of changes the tap a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you've invested so heavily on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball all off season that I think that you
Speaker 1: have enough on that side of the ball to be
Speaker 1: competitive if you traded down and you got the Hall,
Speaker 1: which is the big part of it, right, and then
Speaker 1: you were able to still take a tackle or receiver
Speaker 1: at let's say ten with the Chicago Bears or twelve
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: I would strongly consider that one Travis Hunters makes it
Speaker 1: a little bit harder just because of the position. But
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider it as a team
Speaker 1: like the Patriots that have a lot of holes still.
Speaker 3: And again, there's future drafts, right, you have a future
Speaker 3: pick next year. You can still get back in the
Speaker 3: top five without having to actually have a record indicative
Speaker 3: of a top five pick. Right, you have all the
Speaker 3: same unition to move up and move around in a
Speaker 3: better draft. Like don't lose sight of that. There's more
Speaker 3: rounds beyond the first round this year, and there's more
Speaker 3: drafts beyond this draft two first round. I don't remember
Speaker 3: when was the last time the Patriots had two first
Speaker 3: round I guess would have been eighteen. That kind of
Speaker 3: blew that one. But before that, Chandler Jones, Dante high Tower, right,
Speaker 3: or you can move up and really shoot up the
Speaker 3: board there, maybe you push your chips a little more
Speaker 3: down the road. And now, dare I say we're talking
Speaker 3: about Jeremiah Smith, like, having two first round picks can
Speaker 3: be incredibly, incredibly valuable. Do not sleep on what that
Speaker 3: does for the long term outlook of the franchise. This
Speaker 3: is what we were talking about back before that Buffalo game, right,
Speaker 3: this is what I said about falling from one to four.
Speaker 3: I don't think it really impacts their offseason this year
Speaker 3: because if they're gonna take Carter at four, or they're
Speaker 3: gonna take Hunter at four, Like, if they're gonna take
Speaker 3: Carter Hunter at one, they still very well might have
Speaker 3: a shot to take that guy at four. The difference
Speaker 3: is you could say, well, if we move back to three,
Speaker 3: we'll still get one of those guys and we'll get
Speaker 3: a future first for next year. That's where winning that
Speaker 3: game against Buffalo changes things, is you lose that ability
Speaker 3: to pick up the future first. You still can maybe
Speaker 3: do that, but if you do it, you're punting on
Speaker 3: on Hunter Carter. So the other the Hunter and Carter.
Speaker 1: I should say really quickly about the draft capital that
Speaker 1: comes from that trade down. Don't sleep on the fact
Speaker 1: that you can trade those picks for a player that too. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: so let's say next offseason you can swing that big
Speaker 1: receiver trade with the.
Speaker 3: Extra draft cap and you still a first round picking.
Speaker 1: Right, So like that, I I look at it and
Speaker 1: not necessarily about being able to move the or on
Speaker 1: the board. I look at it as being able to
Speaker 1: move that pick for a veteran player.
Speaker 3: Flexibility. Yeah, it's all about flexibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think you do have to think about it.
Speaker 1: Jeff is in Virginia, what's up?
Speaker 3: But it has to be a haul. You're not just
Speaker 3: trading Abdol Carter to move back to your spots and
Speaker 3: pick up a second Sorry first time, Jeff.
Speaker 13: You guys just talked about trading for players, and we
Speaker 13: keep talking about a stop gap at left tackle. Their
Speaker 13: chargers haven't extended later yet and they just drafted Joe All.
Speaker 13: Why are we not offering them a crap ton of
Speaker 13: picks for him. They moved all to left tackle, they
Speaker 13: draft a right tackle. We got our left tackle for
Speaker 13: the next five years, making my highest state guy. Do
Speaker 13: you guys think that would be a good option to
Speaker 13: just solve our left tackle issue? And what would you
Speaker 13: be willing to trade?
Speaker 5: Is it four?
Speaker 13: Is it thirty eight plus the future first?
Speaker 7: Is it the.
Speaker 13: Hugsl trade plus thum? Anyway, I'll take it off there, I.
Speaker 3: Think, thanks Jeff.
Speaker 1: Look, I would take Rashaan Slater in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's happened. No, They're
Speaker 3: they're gonna pay him. There's teams aren't like we just
Speaker 3: went through this right, and they might take it down
Speaker 3: to the wire like the Ravens did with Stanley team,
Speaker 3: especially a team like the Chargers that wants to play,
Speaker 3: that wants to win at the line of scrimmage above
Speaker 3: all else. They're not letting Rashaun Slater go. They're gonna
Speaker 3: pay him hypothetically, you know, can you fly, can you switch?
Speaker 3: Can you flip four for him? I'd probably do that outright.
Speaker 3: You know, would you trade your second, third and fourth
Speaker 3: round pick for him? I might do that. Hesitant I'd
Speaker 3: probably give a few future first. I'm kind of hesitant
Speaker 3: to trade future picks in this draft. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're gonna see a lot of future picks move because
Speaker 3: teams aren't gonna borrow from the future for weaker draft.
Speaker 3: But I just the Chargers are nuts if they trade later.
Speaker 3: Even getting a right tackle is hard enough. So even
Speaker 3: if you're gonna move alt Over, that still creates a
Speaker 3: major hole in a position that's tough to fill. You
Speaker 3: pay tackles, it's what you do. They took all those
Speaker 3: receivers off the books. They took a couple of their
Speaker 3: big paid defensive players off the books in Bosa and
Speaker 3: in mac Derwin. James is getting up there. They're gonna
Speaker 3: get out of that contract soon. A lot of their
Speaker 3: team's gonna be on rookie deals. Besides Herbert. They can pay,
Speaker 3: and they should pay Rashawn Slater.
Speaker 1: I don't see Jim Harbuch giving up his trenches. No,
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I don't necessarily think it would
Speaker 1: take four to get Rishawn Slater, just because we've seen
Speaker 1: a time and time again when a player needs to
Speaker 1: get paid, there's a tax in the trade for that.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, where you know, if the team that's
Speaker 1: acquiring that player that also needs to give him megan extension.
Speaker 1: We just saw this happen with DK Metcalf. I think
Speaker 1: you get a little bit less than what you would
Speaker 1: get normally if the player was under under contract for
Speaker 1: you know, a longer period of term. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if it would take four. I think the Larmie
Speaker 1: Tunnel trade is probably a framework of where play. Teams
Speaker 1: would probably start with Rashaun Slater, but I would love
Speaker 1: the player. I don't see the Chargers doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's happening.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take this last call and then I
Speaker 1: want to get to one last thing here before we
Speaker 1: rap it. But Rio is in Texas?
Speaker 3: What's up? Ryo?
Speaker 8: Hey you guys, thanks taking my call. Uh So, I
Speaker 8: want to bring up a point and then ask the question.
Speaker 8: The point I want to bring up is as far
Speaker 8: as the two teams drafting head of the Patriots that
Speaker 8: potentially be looking at a quarterback, Arch Manning has to
Speaker 8: come into the conversation right as far as why they're
Speaker 8: not going to look at Jadar Standers because.
Speaker 3: Yes and no, it can be the prize yeah, I
Speaker 3: think another question.
Speaker 1: Oh do you have another question?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Okay, And my question is, as far as this
Speaker 8: draft goes, who's the prospect? Because I don't like the
Speaker 8: top of this drafts. I said that last week. I've
Speaker 8: kind of dubbed it like the Island of Misfit Toys.
Speaker 8: All these guys have problems. So who's the guy in
Speaker 8: later rounds of the draft, you know, after the first
Speaker 8: day you think has potentialed the the best player at
Speaker 8: his position in say three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question to the first point. Thanks for the call, Reo.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've seen enough of arch Manning
Speaker 1: for me to sit here in say.
Speaker 3: Arch Manning's Texas going with Quinn eyrs No, who's the
Speaker 3: elik uh? When he got hurt last year two years
Speaker 3: ago and they were making a playoff push when yours
Speaker 3: got hurt, they could have gone to Manning, and they
Speaker 3: went to some Malik Murphy instead, who was also a
Speaker 3: true freshman sore a freshman, so it was an experienced thing.
Speaker 3: Like they told you, they didn't think arch Manning was ready.
Speaker 3: That was two years ago. But I'm not as gaga
Speaker 3: over arch Manning as everybody else. It's also if we
Speaker 3: talked about this earlier, the Giants coaches, Brown's coaches that
Speaker 3: are betting on their jobs. It's tough to go to
Speaker 3: the owner and say, sorry, we went three and thirteen again,
Speaker 3: but arch Manning will be the ant, Like you can't.
Speaker 1: I just thought, an, I don't think we have enough
Speaker 1: film on arch Manning yet to say that he is.
Speaker 1: This is not underclassman Trevor Lawrence, underclassman Andrew Luck Like,
Speaker 1: this isn't one of those guys where you have a
Speaker 1: full season of tape out on him already, where we're
Speaker 1: sitting here and saying, you know, underclassman Caleb Williams, right,
Speaker 1: it wins the Heisman Trophy as a as a true sophomore, Like,
Speaker 1: we're not there yet. I don't think with arch Manning
Speaker 1: to his second question kind of segues into my last
Speaker 1: thing here that.
Speaker 3: I say, do you running backs count here? Because obviously
Speaker 3: they just don't go in first.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna segue into it, don't worry. So Alexander emailed
Speaker 1: it and he said that he loves the show, thank you,
Speaker 1: and loves the draft coverage, thank you. But the one
Speaker 1: thing that he says that he is missing is we
Speaker 1: haven't done recency.
Speaker 3: Bias in a while. We haven't.
Speaker 1: I know, we've had a lot of news and stuff
Speaker 1: like that to talk about, so we haven't done it.
Speaker 1: We only have seven minutes, but I wanted to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of recency bias. I have recently gone
Speaker 1: through the top fifteen running backs in this draft. I
Speaker 1: want to say consensus right. You know, I always put
Speaker 1: the consensus board up and go right down the consensus board,
Speaker 1: so I have a pretty good feel at least the
Speaker 1: of the of the top in the middle of this
Speaker 1: running back class. If I had the guest to answer
Speaker 1: Rio's question, who would be the best player available to
Speaker 1: on Day two or who could be the eventual best player,
Speaker 1: I think it will be a running back.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of guys that I particularly enjoyed
Speaker 1: watching that we can get to here in terms of
Speaker 1: recency bias. But would you would you agree with that
Speaker 1: it's either going to be a pass rusher it's going
Speaker 1: to be a running back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the two best positions in this in this draft.
Speaker 3: Maybe a safety like if mccouba falls, maybe safety.
Speaker 1: But all right, so let's get to some of the
Speaker 1: running backs here. For the last seven minutes a little
Speaker 1: bit of recency bias. So I'll just read off my
Speaker 1: top five that I have this pretty pretty locked in
Speaker 1: now if good about it. I went pretty consensus at
Speaker 1: the top Ashton denty one, Lamar and Hampton too. But
Speaker 1: I didn't Hampton's interesting though, like he's I think Hampton
Speaker 1: teams are gonna love him because he's just well rounded
Speaker 1: and he projects to have a high volume role. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that he was super dynamic like in the
Speaker 1: open field, like he's more of like a power back,
Speaker 1: you know, between the tackles. But there's such a nice
Speaker 1: role projection for him, of of a floor of what
Speaker 1: he could be. So gent Hampton one two. I had
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson at three and Quinn Shawn Jenkins at four.
Speaker 1: I know you, I.
Speaker 3: Believe at least. Yeah, like it close.
Speaker 1: You flipped those two. A lot of people flip those two.
Speaker 3: It's it's a flavor thing. Like I think Judkins is
Speaker 3: more of like a home run hitter. Henderson's more of
Speaker 3: like a well rounded You're gonna give him more of
Speaker 3: a volume role, I.
Speaker 1: Think, so Judkins, Uh, I think he runs angrier like
Speaker 1: he runs.
Speaker 3: So it was bigger.
Speaker 1: He runs with a little bit more power and a
Speaker 1: little bit more finish to his game. But the reason
Speaker 1: why I like Henderson a little bit better is a
Speaker 1: little looser. He moves a little bit smoother. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit more explosive. If you ask me, I got
Speaker 1: a little bit more top end speed. I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's as good. He's probably like you know, we
Speaker 1: always talk about tears like day one version, Day two version,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson reminds me a little bit of Jamier Gibbs,
Speaker 1: like I would say Day two Jamier Gibbs. Okay, not
Speaker 1: quite as good as Gibbs, but in terms of the
Speaker 1: big playability and the explosiveness both as a pass catcher
Speaker 1: and a running back, you know, as a ballcarrier. That's
Speaker 1: how he reminds me. I think Judkins is more linear,
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit more of a stiffer athlete
Speaker 1: that's going to get downhill and run people over with
Speaker 1: speed to power, whereas I think Henderson's loose, like Henderson's
Speaker 1: a I think.
Speaker 3: You're rating underrating judkins agility a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Henderson's better in that regard, So.
Speaker 1: Gent Hampton Henderson, Judkins so I think that's the clear
Speaker 1: top four in some order for pretty much everybody.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think some Pece people have Caleb Johnson up there.
Speaker 3: There's some people that really like Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 1: So I had Dylan Samson from Tennessee next. I love
Speaker 1: Dylan Samson. I think that guy's a baller. Uh Again,
Speaker 1: I think you can tell I kind of have a
Speaker 1: type as in the same with receivers he.
Speaker 3: Met with Patriots.
Speaker 1: By the way, I like explosive guys. I like guys
Speaker 1: that can cut and go. I like guys that I
Speaker 1: can hit big plays. The difference that I saw was
Speaker 1: Samson and Johnson. I thought Samson was much better between
Speaker 1: the tackles in terms of, you know, vision and in
Speaker 1: elusiveness and jump cut ability between the tackles. He's one
Speaker 1: of those guys that can snake through the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and then the hit the ground running once he
Speaker 1: gets to.
Speaker 3: Day also running into a lot of like five six
Speaker 3: man boxes with Tennessee's offense.
Speaker 1: That's fair, but I just saw a little bit more
Speaker 1: of that efficiency. You know, let's get on a track,
Speaker 1: let's jump cut out of attack.
Speaker 3: He's definitely looser.
Speaker 1: With Caleb Johnson, Caleb Johnson, DeMarco Murray two point zero right,
Speaker 1: like he's he's one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Marco Murray is.
Speaker 1: Off tackle, toss, stretch, runs really high, runs too high probably,
Speaker 1: but like it makes it work. And when you get
Speaker 1: him out into runways and into space, he's he's off
Speaker 1: to the races, right like that's that's his game. He's
Speaker 1: a zone runner. He's very good at it. But to me,
Speaker 1: what I saw with Caleb Johnson was a lot of
Speaker 1: runs in space, you know, like you're just tossing it
Speaker 1: out to him or you're getting him off out on
Speaker 1: the edge. Those guys worry me a little bit just
Speaker 1: projecting to the NFL, because you don't there's a lot
Speaker 1: more condensed space once you get to the league than
Speaker 1: when there is.
Speaker 3: You can't run to the wide hash and get you know,
Speaker 3: outside right.
Speaker 1: Whereas with Samson, I saw a little bit more of
Speaker 1: that make miss talent in trash like in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, which I liked a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But I think Caleb Johnson is a good player too.
Speaker 1: I think I texted, so did you have him five?
Speaker 1: Or had I had him six? So I have genty
Speaker 1: Hampton Henderson, Judkins, Samson, in Johnson, lots of names, and
Speaker 1: then I have Devin Neil from Wow. Okay, I'll get
Speaker 1: to Scattabo in a second. I know we gotta go
Speaker 1: quickly here though.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really just like Devin Neil's game for the NFL again,
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. Great contact balance, great power behind
Speaker 1: his pads. Great he's gonna be able to handle a
Speaker 1: high volume between the tackles. He's going to be an
Speaker 1: early down work course for a team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I just think that he really translates nicely to a
Speaker 1: high volume role. Cam Skataboo. My concern with Cam He's
Speaker 1: next Cam Skataboo. My concern with him is kind of
Speaker 1: couple together playing style of shelf life, right, Like is
Speaker 1: he going to be a bowling ball like that at
Speaker 1: the NFL level and be breaking tackles like he was
Speaker 1: doing at the college level. And if he does wear
Speaker 1: contact and have to break tackles like that at the
Speaker 1: NFL level, Like, how long is that gonna last?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, he can't play like that forever.
Speaker 3: I think he can. I mean, I think he can
Speaker 3: be a contributor. I just don't know, like contact decide
Speaker 3: he's kind of maxed out physically. Yeah, because he's an
Speaker 3: older prospect, he's a spellback. I keep going back, like,
Speaker 3: isn't he kind of just a more physical Rex ber
Speaker 3: Khead Because he can catch. That's the most underrated part
Speaker 3: of his game. Like, he can play in the passing game,
Speaker 3: so he's gonna be able to split between that early
Speaker 3: down and passing down role. But he brings an edge.
Speaker 3: I know it's a lazy comp but I think he's
Speaker 3: like a more physical I've compared a bunch of backs
Speaker 3: in this draft to Rex per Kid, So I just
Speaker 3: look very very there's a lot of backs in this
Speaker 3: draft that are well rounded, that do everything well.
Speaker 1: If you put Skataboo in a vacuum and you just
Speaker 1: say grade this player based off the tape, he would
Speaker 1: be much higher than this on my list. He'd probably be, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, RB five on this list. I just look
Speaker 1: at it though when you project it into the NFL, Like,
Speaker 1: what how much shelf life and longevity is he going
Speaker 1: to have playing like that? Is his top end speed
Speaker 1: and all that stuff going to be a factor, Like
Speaker 1: he doesn't really get away from anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a spellback that's not a guy that you're
Speaker 3: I just I worry for big explosive runs really quickly.
Speaker 1: Really liked RJ. Harvey from UCF as well. Another one
Speaker 1: kind of similar to Samson, Like you're kind of a
Speaker 1: mid late day two, mid day three Sampson, Right, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that can really scoot and really make guys miss.
Speaker 3: Good class.
Speaker 1: I had thirteen guys in this class with a higher
Speaker 1: grade than anybody last year. My highest graded running back
Speaker 1: last year is Blake Krum. I have thirteen guys and
Speaker 1: a good draft, so very good class at running back.
Speaker 1: So that's a little recency buyas for you on the
Speaker 1: running backs doing tight ends today as well, right now,
Speaker 1: finishing those guys up. I did like Harold Fan in
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: I did like, I don't know how I feel about
Speaker 3: Harrold Fan.
Speaker 1: Is a weird, weird player, Like he's got you know,
Speaker 1: six three two forty obviously played at Bowling Green. That's Mac.
Speaker 3: That is the Mac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he did he had great tape against Penn State,
Speaker 1: so it's not like he just did it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as he reminds me a lot of Johnny Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I just it's we saw what Johnny Smith did
Speaker 3: in Josh McDaniel's.
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