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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bart.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined.

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Speaker 3: Us always by our bark. Here is Evan Lazar and

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Speaker 3: Alex Bars. I'm gonna ask you two questions about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but one question and then one SERI in question is

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Speaker 3: Ted McMillan slow. Yes, I disagree. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: That was a classic semantics argument, and I think today

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Speaker 1: is gonna be an even classicer semantics? Is classicer a word?

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Speaker 3: I'm going I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Classicer semantics argument?

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Speaker 3: Uh what a day?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna this is shaping up to

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Speaker 1: be a heck of a news day. Here on March

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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, the off season podcast, Evan Lazar, Alex Bar

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Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two with you for the next couple

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Speaker 1: of hours here. I'm sure we'll have plenty of calls,

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Speaker 1: plenty of emails. There's a lot to discuss. It's exciting.

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Speaker 1: Some exciting news for the Patriots last night. Reportedly exciting

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Speaker 1: news for the Patriots last night. So we'll get to

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs here at the top of the show. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to the arm length measurement hurdle around the world

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Speaker 1: at LSU down in Baton Rouge apparently this morning, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get to all of it here with you guys

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to start with Stefan Diggs. That's

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Speaker 1: the tangible news that we have today is that the

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Speaker 1: Patriots reportedly the tangible reported news that we have today

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Speaker 1: reportedly with free agent wide receiver Stevon Diggs. It is

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Speaker 1: a three year deal worth reportedly a sixty nine million

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Speaker 1: dollars in maximum value, about twenty six million dollars guaranteed

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Speaker 1: of the numbers that Adam Schefter has reported as of

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Speaker 1: right now, so there's a lot to unpack with this

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Speaker 1: DIGS news. As always with this show, there's a draft

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Speaker 1: angle to everything, so we'll get to that. But I think,

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Speaker 1: the DIGS news is a couple things. One, I just

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Speaker 1: like the fact that they're taking a little bit of

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Speaker 1: to steer more towards deals where they won the deal.

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Speaker 1: You know that it's a smart deal for the team,

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Speaker 1: and it's a deal that doesn't come with as many

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Speaker 1: potential issues or risks. And I'm not talking about his character,

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Speaker 1: his locker room makeup. I'm not worried about that kind

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Speaker 1: I don't want to keep on bringing it up over

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Speaker 1: in late October of twenty twenty four. And the reports

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Speaker 1: are optimistic. I think Schefter reported last night that he's

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Speaker 1: trending or on track to play Week one. That seems

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Speaker 1: That would be great news, but we'll see. But in general.

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Speaker 1: It got to the point in free agency for the

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Speaker 1: take a chance on a Stefan Diggs and Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: he might have some issues with him, but the ceiling

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Speaker 3: like they needed to take a chance. And this isn't

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Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs was this big prize right there was t Higgins,

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Speaker 3: I'm all for upside at this point, and whether it

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Speaker 3: if not more upside than anybody. Yeah, and that was available,

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Speaker 3: If it doesn't work out, you talked about the winning

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Speaker 3: the deal thing. It's a little pricey, but like, don't

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Speaker 3: look at that sixty nine million dollar number. That's not

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Speaker 3: The real number is the twenty six million, that's over

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Speaker 3: three years. My guess we haven't seen the details yet.

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Speaker 3: My guess is that twenty six million is really confined

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Speaker 3: bit of a hit, but nothing crippling if Digsny doesn't

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Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised I added the third year, But

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Speaker 1: two very very good years of Stefan Diggs. I really

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Speaker 3: If it does hit, well, it's doesn't work out. And look,

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Speaker 3: if Diggs goes absolutely nuts, right, if he comes back

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Speaker 3: And again, if you're the Patriots, if that's what happens, great,

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't think the downside is there in

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Speaker 3: he's not gonna be on the field with Drake May

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Speaker 3: Their priorities were were elsewhere. Right. We know they were

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Speaker 3: the first round in the draft next year. Diggs isn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the last a big picture thought. Then I want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm expecting them to put Stefan Diggs in

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Speaker 1: That to me is gonna be Stefan Diggs. So I'm

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Speaker 3: No, there's definitely versatility there. I wonder if they try

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Speaker 3: Like you talked about how helpfully can be there. But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. It doesn't change anything at the top

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Speaker 3: And I even say, like, does this make McMillan more

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Speaker 3: Like that would be the traditional right if you add

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00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: Teed McMillan to it.

432
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: So my fear with with that though, and again I

433
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: don't want to.

434
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 3: Harp to that being receiver. For that being McMillan specific.

435
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: McMillan specifically, I think you're really slow. I think you're

436
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: slow in terms of being able to stretch the field vertically.

437
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if Diggs is that guy anymore now.

438
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they just used him differently in Houston and

439
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: he's going to go back to being more of a

440
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: vertical threat like he was in Buffalo. But in Houston,

441
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, you know, the air arts per target,

442
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: the role of the slot usage, all that increase, and

443
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: he really turned into a first and second level receiver.

444
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 1: He was a short and intermediate guy. And I want

445
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: to put that out there because I want to make

446
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: sure that that the listeners and everybody like you understand

447
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: who they're getting. They're not getting a burner over that's

448
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 1: gonna make that's going to separate over the top. What

449
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: about his game?

450
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: What about Pop? Is the field stretcher from the inside.

451
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: Pop's fast like Pop hass speed?

452
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: Pop has speed? You know you always worry about guys

453
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: with Pop in terms of stretching the field vertically is

454
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: like catch radius and ability to win at the catch

455
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: point when it is contested.

456
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 3: I contested catch maybe not. He's got pretty good ball

457
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: skills though he's made some great catches like fall into

458
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 3: the ground, Yes, turning his shoulders so you're not throwing

459
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: him jump balls, but isn't if you're worried about jump balls.

460
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 3: You're going size over speed anyway. The idea is he's

461
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 3: running past people. Yeah, and that's how he's stretching the field.

462
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's a possibility there, Travis Hunter, to me

463
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: and Stefan Diggs together, it starts to get it's like

464
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: getting me a little hot in here right like that?

465
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 1: That right there is as good as it could get.

466
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: In terms of the Patriots, those two guys are interchangeable.

467
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: You can play them both at the X, you can

468
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: play them both inside. You talk about play speed, you know,

469
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: obviously Travis Hunter has plenty of that, plenty of downfield

470
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: ball skills, plenty of play speed to stretch the field vertically.

471
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: That would be a really tough group to cover. That'd

472
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: be a truly tough group to cover with both. All

473
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: three of those guys are separators, now different styles.

474
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: You know.

475
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: Hunter is a separator because he's a great athlete. Diggs

476
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: is a great route runner and a savvy, crafty route runner.

477
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: That's how he separates. And then Pop is like the bursty,

478
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, jitterbug. But they all separate at a high level,

479
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: all three of them. Ted McMillan, I've had my reservations

480
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: about his speed to begin with. Again, if they really

481
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: feel like he's the best player at that position and

482
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: they're going receiver at the top of the draft, I'm

483
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say draft a guy you

484
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: have a lesser grade on just because he ran a

485
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: four two nine aka Matthew Golden Right, gonna harp on it.

486
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: But I do think that you are still lacking in

487
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: terms of down the field speed, especially from the outside

488
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: like tech and stretch the field. In the middle, he

489
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: runs the scene, runs a deep post from the slot, whatever.

490
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: But when he plays on the outside, he has trouble

491
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: pulling away from guys on the outside. And I don't

492
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: know if Diggs is that guy anymore to do that.

493
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: Pop's certainly not that guy to play outside and pull

494
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: away from people. But it's an exciting combination regardless with

495
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: all these options. Now, if we're talking draft though, and

496
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: obviously the Will Campbell stuff is out there, but when

497
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: I look at this offense right now, I really feel

498
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: as though left tackle is like the one albatross in

499
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: the room, right that's like the one glaring hole that's

500
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: staring at you. I still think they need more talent receiver.

501
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: I still think they need a younger receiver than Stefan Diggs.

502
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: That has some ceiling and some upside, certainly, But when

503
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: I look at this offense right now for twenty twenty five,

504
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: if you get them a viable starting left tackle and

505
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: you give that to McDaniel's on top of what they

506
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: already have on paper offensively, maybe you sprinkle in some

507
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: spice running back in the middle rounds something like that,

508
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: to add a little bit more juice to the offense

509
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: in a different area of the field. Maybe it's a

510
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: tight end something like that. I think you're really cooking

511
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: with gas. So I think you're really cooking with gas

512
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: if you have a viable left side.

513
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Of the audics. The problem is there's not many viable

514
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: left tackles available. Sure, Tyron Williams, Tyron Smith, sorry's the

515
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: one in freegency. And that's even a maybe like would

516
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: he come here? Diggs signing probably helps. I wanted one

517
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: more thing on Diggs. And when it comes to rookie receivers,

518
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: especially with the guy like Travis Hunter, how much do

519
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: you put on Digs being like a mentor for some

520
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: of the younger guys, And doesn't he kind of feel

521
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: like a more favorable mentor for a guy like Travis

522
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 3: Hunter because those two at least prime Digs. He's not

523
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: that player anymore, but prime Digs played similarly to I

524
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: think the way you're gonna want Travis Hunter.

525
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: To play absolutely, I mean I love that, you know,

526
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: I love the fact that he can come in here,

527
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: even mentor although some of us, not me but you know,

528
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: some people have given up on Jalen Polk and Javon Baker,

529
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: But bringing in a guy like Stefan Diggs to mentor

530
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: even those guys, I think is important and it could

531
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: be valuable. So I look at across the board, just

532
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: having somebody that you can look at and say, yeah,

533
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: this guy's done in this at an extremely high level.

534
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: This is how he goes about his business. And I

535
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: think when we talk about a lot of this mentor stuff,

536
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: we're talking about really you know, like Monday through Saturday, right, Like,

537
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: how does this guy go about his business? How does

538
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: he train, how does he practice, how does he prepare,

539
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: how does he watch tape? You know, all these different

540
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: types of things that go into being a professional receiver.

541
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: When you have a guy like Diggs who has a

542
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: routine that obviously works at a very very high level,

543
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: it's extremely beneficial to young players.

544
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: So I only have one real question about the Stefan

545
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: Digg signing them. Worried about what numbers are gonna wear?

546
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: That's fair question.

547
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: So Splaine was Splain has fourteen, which he wore in

548
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: Minnesota and Buffalo. Yeah, he did wear one in Houston.

549
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: E Wharton College so you talk about mentoring Jalen Pole

550
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: gives him one right start off on, I'm gonna give

551
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: you one, and in exchange, you're gonna teach me everything

552
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: you know, teach me your ways Yoda, right exactly, Like

553
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: that should be the trade off. And then polk Get's

554
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: like sixteen or something.

555
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: So I like that, that's not bad. A couple other

556
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: things about the draft before we get into Will Campbell

557
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: of at all, Yeah, just talking about Day two receivers

558
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: that would fit now at this offense. I'm gonna go

559
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: to the speed guys a little.

560
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: Bit, like you know what I'm gonna ask you when

561
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: you name them, but go ahead.

562
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: But I still feel I still like Jayden Higgins as

563
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: a player. But I still feel the same way that

564
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: I kind of feel about Tech McMillan. It just feels

565
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: like you have a lot of guys that are gonna

566
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: try to win on slants and digs, right, Like, you

567
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: can't have a whole offensive slants and digs. You have

568
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: to have somebody else that can do something down the

569
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: field at the third level. I don't think he's necessarily

570
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: that guy either. I think he's more of what we

571
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: talk about with Tep McMillan like a souped up possession receiver.

572
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: When I say souped up, I mean just a large

573
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: possession receiver with Jaden Higgins. So you start to get

574
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: into you know, Royals, right, I think is a good

575
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: field stretcher. I don't know how you feel. We haven't

576
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: really talked too much about him.

577
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay on him. At that point, you're probably

578
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: gonna get him, you know, back end of the third

579
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Can you wait till the top of the force and

580
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: take Kaile Williams at that point? Sure?

581
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: So Jalen Royals from Utah State is who we're talking about.

582
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Who's a real a true burner, you know, he is

583
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: a true vertical threat. Doesn't necessarily have great size, but

584
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: as great speed and has big plays all over his

585
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: film at Utah State. But against good opponents as well.

586
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: It's not all just against.

587
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: What was that the Mac or whatever mountain state in

588
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: West the Mac is like.

589
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: So that they don't know it's not all against you know,

590
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: bad competition. Uh, he's a good player. I think he's

591
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: got some speed, he's got some juice. You know, I'm

592
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna.

593
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: Bring up isaiabah All right fast. And you know, I'm

594
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: gonna bring up a fast and.

595
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: But if you're looking at the way that this offense

596
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: is built, like they kind of just need fast, but they.

597
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: Go sign, Go find whoever this year's demere bird is

598
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: in free agency and sign that guy. You don't need

599
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: to use a top one hundred pick on that guy.

600
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: If you're just looking for guys you like to say,

601
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: who's gonna run wind sprints back and forth to make

602
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: sure the other team keeps too safeties back, you don't

603
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: need to use a top one hundred pick on that guy.

604
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. I don't know if this is

605
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: if he's truly an outside guy. With Kyle Williams, I

606
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: know he's picking up a lot of a lot of steam.

607
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: You know he's a popular guy right now, Yeah, in

608
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: the draft community. But Kyle Williams to me still feels undersized.

609
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: You just want a guy to run up and down.

610
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: But he's in the he's in, he's on the list.

611
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: You know who is still a free agent? You want

612
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: somebody in that role? Who's that? Could we call it

613
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: the what do you want to call this role? The

614
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: I feel like the mere bird's an under cell. Who

615
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: else had it. I don't know.

616
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like Philip Dorsett. I guess who else That's

617
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: all I got right now?

618
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: Nelson Nelson still a free agent.

619
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't think Nelson Aguilar has got the

620
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: got the juice like he once did.

621
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: Philip Dorsettroll is probably better way to put it.

622
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Uh, how do you feel about Saveon Williams?

623
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: Oh? I was gonna ask you about that.

624
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Because it kind of makes sense now at this group

625
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: it does.

626
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not He's.

627
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: A he's got a little bit more receivers, like he

628
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: gets all the Quardill Patterson comps for obvious reasons. But

629
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit more receiver's skill, I would say,

630
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: especially uh, contested catch and like leaping about.

631
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I worry about the hands. I guess you're

632
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: not gonna have. You're not gonna have running a diverse

633
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: route tree, so the route running doesn't matter as much.

634
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: Yep, he's gonna run, go ball, Go ball.

635
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: I really like I was working on this take this week.

636
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: You remember my take about Joe Milton last year, like

637
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: the not the thing about eighty yards that Joe Milton

638
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: was the most interesting player in the draft, Yeah, it

639
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: was the most entertaining player in the draft. I think

640
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: Savian Williams has that title this year. I think Savian

641
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: Williams's most entertaining player in this draft. But I just

642
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: with there and I know it's new staff there, history

643
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: of developing my receivers and all that. From where he's

644
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: gon go for where he's gonna go, I think his

645
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: success is as a gadget player at that. If you're

646
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: just looking for big and fast and I'm doing Taekwon again,

647
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 3: do you just go Dante Thornton.

648
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: So he's gonna I was gonna get to him, But

649
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: Savion Williams really quickly. I just the one thing that

650
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: stood out to me when I watched him is that

651
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more refined at the catch point

652
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: than I was expecting, right, Like I was really expecting

653
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: Cordell Patterson, who is really not a receiver. He's probably

654
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: better as a running back, honestly, Yeah, Patterson. When you

655
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: watch Savian Williams, you mentioned the drops. He has some

656
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: really bad focus drops where like he's just open, the

657
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: ball hits him on the hands and when forever reason

658
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: he drops it, he's like he's he's like Marcus Smart.

659
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: He makes the most ridiculous shots you've ever seen, and

660
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: then when he has a freaking layup, he blows the

661
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: bunny right Like that's Savian Williams. He is a really

662
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: good down the field, high point, go get the ball

663
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: type of receiver.

664
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: He's also really good with the ball in his hands.

665
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you throw him a slant and

666
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: there's nobody within five yards of him, he'll just drop

667
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: it and you're you are left scratch.

668
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: I just I worry about that guy here, especially with

669
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: a young quarterback. I just don't know that that's I

670
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: really like him. I'm perfectly content watching him succeed somewhere

671
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: else if they if they pass on him and he

672
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: goes somewhere else and he has success, I'm not gonna

673
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: fault them for it. That's a tough projection, all right.

674
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: I'd be more like, you know, I'm more in a

675
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: group of like I don't want to take away too

676
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: much for me. It's like Dante Thornton, I was ty

677
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: Felton on there ye Mary d k from Florida Deep

678
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: getting a little deep. That's kind of where I'm taking

679
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: a receiver.

680
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Though, So Dante Thornton's interesting. Yeah, Now if they draft

681
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: Dante Thornton, who ran like a four to three and

682
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: his last name is Thornton, you don't even if you

683
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: know that, you know what everybody's gonna say. Right, it's

684
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: and I mean it's gonna be automatic.

685
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Five eight two o five four three flat.

686
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: Fur.

687
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was only five eight sorry, six

688
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: six five. I don't know what I was looking at

689
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: a five five eight. The hand size says five eighths.

690
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: It's right below it six six five two five four three. Yeah,

691
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: we're doing we're doing Thornton again. No, we're not doing

692
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Thornton again. No, because he's he's bigger. He's he's bigger.

693
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: He's built bigger than taekwan Thorn by a lot. What

694
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: do you mean by a ton two? He doesn't look though, Okay,

695
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: but if he's if he's one hundred and ninety, he's still.

696
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: That's okay, that's fair.

697
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: He's still he's got more mass than Taekwon uh Thortondo.

698
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: But he also played at Oregon before he played at Tennessee.

699
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he but he plays fast like it's it's not

700
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: just a forty time when you turn on the tape

701
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: with him, he runs well, you know, he is a

702
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: true take the top off the defense kind of guy.

703
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

704
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: I just those are some of the names that I

705
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: had on my list. If you're you're really looking for

706
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: a specific type of receiver. Again, if you're going in

707
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the first round, you're just taking the best receiver available,

708
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: Like if it's TEP McMillan, it's Tech McMillan. Uh, you're

709
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: just going with the best guy. But when you start

710
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: to get down the board a little bit, if you

711
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: want to be a bit more picky about the skill

712
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: set and making sure that it fits with what you have. Uh,

713
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Dante Thornton, like early on day three, maybe you.

714
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: Know like a couple yea years ago, sell me on

715
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: that a couple.

716
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: Of years ago they would have reached on him and

717
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: taken him in the second round, right, But.

718
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: I I I don't need a wide receiver at like

719
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: sixty nine or seventy seven or even one oh six.

720
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: After that it makes more sense. So again, Felton Thornton,

721
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: you're you're sleeping on tre mariy dk.

722
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: Okay from Flora.

723
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've watched him at all now

724
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: six one, six, four, three, four. Uh, he's really good

725
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: at beating press, getting down the fields, getting open contested catches.

726
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: That's kind of it. You're not gonna run him underneath.

727
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: He's not gonna give you a lot after the catch.

728
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: His hands aren't He's not quite as bad as save

729
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: on Wims, but his hands aren't great. But he's gonna

730
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: go down the fields and run fast and make plays

731
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: on the football. So if you're just looking for somebody

732
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: to do that and you can get him, probably you

733
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: might be able get him in two seventeen. Honestly, Yeah,

734
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: they have a gap between one forty four and two seventeen.

735
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: My guess is he'll go somewhere in there. But I

736
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: also think they'll close that gap somehow.

737
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: I need somebody that can run a go I need

738
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: somebody that can run a post, and I need them

739
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: to be able to do it very well. I need

740
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: two routes.

741
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty much all he can do.

742
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: But you gotta do it at a high level, like

743
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not talking in no shade meant,

744
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: but like you know, I don't think Kishan Boody and

745
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: Javon Baker have proven that they can do that at

746
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: a truly high level. Maybe Booty. Booty had a nice

747
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: season last year. I don't meet the crap on Boody.

748
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of Booty fans out there,

749
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: and he had a nice season last year, So maybe

750
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: he's the answer. Like, maybe he's the guy that ends up,

751
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, being that true outside guy that can win

752
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: a deep on a deep route.

753
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: Maybe he is.

754
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to get somebody else in here

755
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: to at least compete for that.

756
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: Do you want the Lancer line on DK, because I

757
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: think this is exactly what you're describing. Niche receiver with

758
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: average hands but good early speed to bypass mad coverage,

759
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 3: gives life to the vertical game. Second and third level

760
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: receiver whose routes have the energy of a youngster on

761
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: a playground with all gas and no breaks. He's more

762
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: of a field stretcher than a volume option, but his

763
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: talent for opening deep windows could appeal the teams in

764
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: need of speed. So you put him, That's like exactly

765
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: the guy you're talking about. You can get him so

766
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: much later you put him or Dante Thornton.

767
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a competition with Kaishawn Booty and Javon Baker. Yeah,

768
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: to be that developmental X right to be that high

769
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: upside developmental X. I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

770
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: I just I don't want them taking that guy in

771
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 3: the top one hundred where they can address other needs.

772
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: Agree, because frankly, the guys that are best in the

773
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: top one hundred or not that guy, right, it's Jalen Dowell,

774
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: it's you know guy guys.

775
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: I mean there's a couple you know. I don't Sadian

776
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 3: Williams would be in there. Yep, Isaiah Bond, Tory Horton.

777
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Are those guys going top one hundred?

778
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Tory Horton's fringe, Isaiah Bond will Yeah, an if you

779
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: really go up there, I.

780
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: Think even that starts outside the top seventy five. Like

781
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: I still think we're thinking late day two for Isaiah Bond.

782
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: That's still too high for me. Yeah, day three pick.

783
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Should we get to the Will Campbell?

784
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, so you have to do any reads first?

785
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: Nope, We're gonna get right into it. We'll do the

786
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: reads here in a second. The this is truly getting bizarre.

787
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: I've been telling you people this for weeks.

788
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: By the way, this no, no, no, no, no no, this

789
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: is this goes beyond just the combine crap. Okay, this

790
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: is We've been doing this really full time since what

791
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: eighteen seven, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

792
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: So the first draft we worked together was the eighteen draft.

793
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: It was the Isaiah win In Sony Michelle Draft.

794
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: This is the most bizarre situation I've ever encountered in

795
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: my time covering the draft.

796
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.

797
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: We we now have three different arm length measurements for

798
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: the same human being. Like we third the one from

799
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: last spring that Jim Nagy reported and then Greg Badard confirmed, Yeah,

800
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: which was thirty two and seven eights, so a year

801
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: ago last spring. I believe it was at one of

802
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: those like camp or something like that, or they, you know,

803
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: the NFL Future NFL camp thing. He was thirty two

804
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: and seven a's yep, Will Campbell. Then he goes to

805
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: the combine, Yeah, and he measures in at thirty two

806
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: and five eights. I have takes on the combine.

807
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: We'll get to those.

808
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: And then we get to his pro day and he's

809
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: thirty three flat.

810
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: So I'll say this on the the thirty two and

811
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: seven as and thirty three Yeah, twenty one years old. Yeah,

812
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: it's a growing boy. It's no, I'm serious.

813
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right?

814
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: Is it that unrealistic? A twenty one year old grow

815
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: a little bit in a year. So I count the

816
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: thirty two and seven a's and the thirty three as

817
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: one measurement. Those two, to me are the same. Like

818
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: if you're off by that margin, who knows what happened,

819
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: maybe his fingernails out or something.

820
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

821
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: The five as is completely different.

822
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: So here here's where I stand on all of this,

823
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: because I admit, fully I have been all over the

824
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: map on how to feel about this, right, like originally

825
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: all in on the player back in January, based off

826
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the film the com Hits. I'm out on the player

827
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: because I think he's a gar with his length. I'm panicked, Right,

828
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: what do we do? I overreact to the combine. It

829
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: happens a month later after the combine, we get another measurement.

830
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: Now I feel like I'm getting pulled back in. My

831
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: gravity's pulling me back in. Now I've been all over

832
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: the map on the player, I fully admit that. But

833
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: what I come back to at times like this, because again,

834
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: this is the most bizarre situation I've ever encountered covering

835
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: the draft. I have never I never remember there, and

836
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get to your your study here

837
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: in a second.

838
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: Two.

839
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: It's not just Will Campbell. The arm lanes are screwed

840
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: up all over the attack.

841
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: It's not just the arm length, it's other things too.

842
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: But I just did a young le Jalen Milro's hands

843
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: grew exponentially.

844
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: Right we are, We are really all over the place now.

845
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: If you're an NFL team, if you're Elliott Wolf, Mike

846
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Rabel and Bryan Towden, my guess is that you're gonna

847
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: have Will Campbell in for a visit. At some point.

848
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna take out your own tape measure and you're

849
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: gonna measure the freaking arms. Yeah right, that's what you're

850
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: gonna do. But above all else, I think we're at

851
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: the point now where you got to trust your instincts

852
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: based off the tape, and you either like the player

853
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: or you don't. You're either in you're out based off

854
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: the film, like let's not get bogged down or caught

855
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: up eighths of an inch of arms or wingspans or

856
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. If you're out on Will

857
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: Campbell at left tackle or for the Patriots at four Overall,

858
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: you're out that that's your prerogative.

859
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: You can be out.

860
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: Well, you're in. You're in like that, don't come out

861
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: on the measurements. I don't care anymore.

862
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: Because I think people forget this. You're allowed to change

863
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: your mind. You should change your mind when presented with

864
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: new information. You are absolutely allowed to change your opinion

865
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: and or just your opinion and change your mind. It's

866
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: healthy you, nobody's good. Nobody should chastise you. Oh you

867
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: should this last week, blah blah bit No, like as

868
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: you I've done it, you've done it, we all do it.

869
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: Like as you get new information during this process. Absolutely

870
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: just you're allowed to do that. If you're somebody who's

871
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: been out on Will Campbell because of his arm length,

872
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: and you see this number and you think maybe you

873
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: believe it, and I'll give you a minute and a

874
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: reason why you should believe it, nobody's gonna be mad

875
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 3: at you for saying, oh, you know, well, I think

876
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: his arms are actually longer, So I'm in on Campbell now.

877
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: You're absolutely allowed to do that.

878
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think really my message would just be

879
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: at this point ya, just trust your eyes, Like if

880
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: you think the player is a good player, yeah, and

881
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with the player off the tape, the

882
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: tape doesn't change. The arm lights have changed every single way.

883
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: The tape is consistent. The tape is the tape.

884
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: So here's where the arm like measurement is consistent. You're ready,

885
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 3: You're ready to exercise?

886
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: No, let me say one more thing, because I know

887
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: this is going to take a second, so I'll keep

888
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: on reiterating the same thing too. About where it shows

889
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: up on his film, I think he has a really

890
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: really good anchor and he's really strong, great course straight,

891
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: So I don't see it show up a ton on

892
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: bull rushes. I just don't, you know. I think when

893
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: he went up against Shamar Stewart, who's a really powerful

894
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 1: long bull rush. Sure he won some and he lost

895
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: the rights. That's offensive line play, but he held his

896
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: own like. It wasn't like Shamar Stewart was getting into

897
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: his chest and ragged alling him out of the way consistently.

898
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: I don't see that on his film. What I see

899
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: with Will Campbell is that he sets out too far.

900
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: He overseets because he's trying to get out to those

901
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: high side rushers to try to keep them off the

902
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: outside right to get his hands on those guys. And

903
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have the length to reach out and

904
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: extend with good leverage, he gets a little bit over

905
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: zealous and he jumps out too far. So when he

906
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: drifts out, it inherently will open the inside. So what

907
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: you see a lot of Scorrton got him on it.

908
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: I think Canard got him on it once. You see

909
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: a lot of inside moves like spins crosses over his

910
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: face right into the inside gap. So those rushers, he

911
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: has a tough time with that type of guy, Like

912
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: a guy that's really twitched up, that can fake like

913
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna go outside, Get him to commit to go

914
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: outside and then swim inside of him or rip inside

915
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: of him or spin inside of him like those guys

916
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: are gonna give him a little bit of trouble. Now,

917
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: can you coach that out of him? Is there improvements

918
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: that you can make? I'm sure, like you know, we'd

919
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: have to get you know, Dante Scarnecki on the line

920
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: and ask him right, but I'm sure there are. Okay,

921
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: But that's where it comes out to me on the

922
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: film with him at tackle is that he has to

923
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: be a little bit more aggressive in his past sets

924
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: because of the length, and then sometimes the really well

925
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: skilled and explosive rushers can make him pay for it.

926
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we're talking about

927
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: one or two reps a game where it burns him.

928
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: So he has sixty eight great blocks and then they'll

929
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: have one or two where it comes out and burns him.

930
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: Now that's offensive line play, right.

931
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: So he talked about this, He gave that quote about

932
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: you know, you make one mistake and certainly people want

933
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: you to work in an Amazon warehouse. Yeah, how many

934
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: such plays would you for obviously for different reasons, guys

935
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: get beat? How many such plays would you say per

936
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: game a guy like Josh Kahn has on tape that

937
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: get beat.

938
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: Uh, I would say Ursery is more so in past

939
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: protection that he'll get beat. I don't know, maybe three

940
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: to five times a game. We're talking about college, right,

941
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing I have to remember, Like

942
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: they're already man amongst boys in a lot of matchups.

943
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: So you know these guys, don't you know? Armand Membu

944
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: gave up eight pressures the entire year last year at Missouri.

945
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: Eight was on the right side the entire season, so

946
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: we're not talking about a ton and and I would

947
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: also mention, you know, with Campbell that has to be mentioned,

948
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: he played in a true pro style.

949
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: Drop back offense with the quarterback that had zero pockets.

950
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody loves the quarterback for good, good arm, but

951
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, can throw.

952
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: He needs map quest to get out of the pocket.

953
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: So he didn't play in a r P O offense.

954
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: He didn't play in a run heavy offense like Membo did. Uh,

955
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: he didn't play in an r PO scheme. He didn't

956
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: play in a college offense. They had true traditional dropbacks

957
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: at LSU last year where he's blocking, true pass sets,

958
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: no play action, no bells, and whistles a lot more

959
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: than the other guys. So his flaws as a result,

960
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: especially down in the SEC where he's facing you know,

961
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: like I just mentioned a bunch of top one hundred

962
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: pass rushers almost on a weekly basis, there's a lot

963
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: more volume to like true pass blocking reps for Will

964
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: Campbell than these other guys. I would say that on

965
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: the whole. You know, he's the best pass protector in

966
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: the class.

967
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: Campbell Campbell, Yeah, yeah.

968
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: Now there's the member of it all. We'll get to that,

969
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: but get to your numbers.

970
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: All right. So this is just again because I was

971
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: saying after the combine the numbers didn't add up, and

972
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: it was like me not being ready to quit Will

973
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: Campbell or anything. So just just for context. And by

974
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: the way, the LSC measurement at Cornet Field Yates was

975
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: taken by an NFL stafford, not somebody from LSU who's

976
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: gonna try to pump camp Just.

977
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: To add to that, there's a Patriots staffer on his name.

978
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: I'll look it up when you start talking. Who runs

979
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: all of the New England area pro days. Yeah, so

980
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: he ran the BC Pro Day, he runs the UMass

981
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: Pro Day. He does not work for Boston College. He

982
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: works for the Patriots. So that that's what you're talking about.

983
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: You say that, So okay. So I went through and

984
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: I did some research. It's guards and tat there's a few.

985
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: It's tackles with a few guards mixed in and I

986
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: think one center just to kind of there weren't a

987
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: ton of Shrine Bowl guys who went to the combine,

988
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: so I just to increase the sample size. So Will

989
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: Campbell from the combine to his showcase. So showcase is

990
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: pro DA Senior Bowl Shrine Bowl. Right, he lost three

991
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: eighths of an inch in our measurement. All right, that's

992
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: a big difference. Maybe they're trying to hang on. Josh

993
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: Connery and we're doing the Senior Bowl now, from the

994
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl to the Combine lost half an inch. Arianta

995
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: Ursery seven eighths of an inch, Wow, Wyatt Milam four eighths,

996
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: Gray's Abel two eighths, Ozi Trapillo four eighths. And I

997
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: know that's a half, but it's just so it's all

998
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: scaled clay web five eighths. So those are just a

999
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: handful of guys. I picked out that one outlier. Somehow,

1000
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: armand Membo gained like half an inch, so something different

1001
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 3: happened with him. So you're saying, okay, So well, either

1002
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl was off or the Combine was off.

1003
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: Who do we believe? Well, the Shrine Bowl was off

1004
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: by almost the same amount, So shrine ball. Holland Pierce

1005
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: lost five eights of an inch, Drew Kendall lost five

1006
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: eighths of an inch. Brandon Crenshaw Dixon lost four eighths

1007
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 3: of an inch. Joshua Gray five eighths, Xavier Trust three eighths,

1008
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: John Williams seven eighths, Joe Huber three eighths. So either

1009
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl and the Shrine Bowl were both somehow

1010
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: off by the same approximate amount individually, or the combine

1011
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: was wrong, which one's more likely.

1012
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: So, Paul Perrill, do I have to give credit? We'll

1013
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: tell you that who has more skin in the game

1014
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: for them to measure longer? The college All Star games

1015
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: or the combine. The answers to college all Star games

1016
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: like the Senior Bowl in the Shrine Bowl, which I

1017
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: love both events, by the way, Yeah, have all the

1018
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: reason to fliff up.

1019
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: But then why hasn't it been done in the past

1020
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: That numbers generally line up in the past.

1021
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: So the only question is that I you know, that's

1022
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: a great question. You think maybe it's because it's a

1023
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: short arm class.

1024
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this. You think that the Senior Bowl

1025
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: and the Shrine Bowl. What's the word I'm looking for

1026
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: colluded on this? No, because they didn't seem too happy

1027
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: with each other this year, definitely to get together on

1028
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: a project. So if that's the case, the Senior Bowl

1029
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: and the Shrine Bowl, and I maybe I should run

1030
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: the hula bowl too. I don't know if they had

1031
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: any guys at the combine, Yeah, they would have had

1032
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: to come together and say, Okay, we both need to overmeasure,

1033
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: but we have to overmeasure between like a quarter and

1034
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: seven a seven inch, and we got to get everybody

1035
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: within that range in order to pump these guys up.

1036
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: And then we have to hope that people believe that

1037
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: we didn't clude or like you get what I'm saying.

1038
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: So much that would have to happen to be the

1039
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: case a conspiracy. We need Michael Hurley for this. We're

1040
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: turning into the conspiracy. Well, but like, look, if the

1041
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 3: NFL screwed up, they could have cost these kids some money.

1042
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I'd like to know what happened there.

1043
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do. I mean, this is this is crazy,

1044
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: This is absolutely banana.

1045
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put all the numbers up. I'm gonna I'm

1046
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 3: gonna write something on this. I'll have all the numbers

1047
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: up later if you want. But again, outside, I don't

1048
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: know what happened with armand Membu. He's sort of a

1049
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: weird outlier in this. And I didn't include Calvin Banks in.

1050
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: Who's the other top tackle, Josh Simmons. Yeah, because I

1051
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: don't have a second measurement for them. I couldn't find

1052
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: the measurements from Texas's Pro day. Ohio States Proday is

1053
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: going on right now. Neither one of them participating in

1054
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: the Senior bowls, so we don't have or Shrine Bowl

1055
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: or anything. So that's why those guys got left off.

1056
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: But my guess is what I think Banks was thirty

1057
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: three flat at the combine or like just over thirty

1058
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: three at half an inch to it. Simmons whatever he

1059
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: measured at the combine at half an inch to it,

1060
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna use the combine numbers for arm length.

1061
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: We got to understand that's probably the lower end. So

1062
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: maybe LSU gave Campbell a little bit of help this

1063
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: independent staffer. But to go from the five eighths to

1064
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: the seventies, even if that's the gap, that would be

1065
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: on the low end of the misses. Again, most of

1066
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: these guys are off by half an inch, if not more.

1067
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: Arianta URSII, John Williams, we even talked about he's a

1068
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: Day three pick from Cincinnati. They lost like a full

1069
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: inch on their measurement. That's very different. Also, ers might

1070
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: have thirty five inch arms.

1071
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big guy. There's no doubt, like that's

1072
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: not a doubt like he's a big Yeah.

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00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: So that's just I'm just saying. You know, I'm generally

1074
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: anti math, but in this case, follow the numbers. At

1075
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 3: this point, put this away. I got what I need is.

1076
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Trust the film. Just trust the film. If you don't

1077
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: like the player, you don't like the player. I'm not

1078
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and argue. We've argued about these players

1079
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: at nauseum for months. I like the player. If you

1080
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: don't like the player, don't get caught up.

1081
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: In the arm light. Jesus, you know what I brought.

1082
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: He thinks he's hilarious right now that the tay measured.

1083
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about that's not the point and

1084
00:50:59,040 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: you know it.

1085
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or if you want to get caught up in

1086
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: it again, I would just say that I think every

1087
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: single team that it's going to be interested in Bill

1088
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Campbell is now going to have to get their own

1089
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: independent arm length measurement because they can't trust the combine.

1090
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: Right, And I guess my point is I don't think

1091
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: that independent measurement is going to come in at five

1092
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: eighths thirty two and five as I think it's gonna

1093
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: be longer than that.

1094
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: Thirty two and seventy eight.

1095
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: Thirty two and seven sounds right, thirty two and seven

1096
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: eight well, but again, even that that would put him

1097
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: on the low end of miss.

1098
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: Thirty two and seven A sounds consistent and right to me,

1099
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: just based off what we know about his arm being

1100
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter, and if you can give him

1101
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: that extra eighth of an inch to get him to

1102
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: the threshold, then things like the pro at the p

1103
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: then you fluff it up.

1104
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 6: Well.

1105
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: I also think it's possible that a twenty one year

1106
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: old grew a little bit in the course of a year,

1107
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: because that that thirty two and seven A numbers from

1108
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: a year ago.

1109
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: So let me like put you in in other terms,

1110
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: like if you run a forty at your pro day, yeah,

1111
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: and you're four or five flat, doesn't it sound a

1112
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: little bit.

1113
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: Better if it's four four and yeah? Yeah, I get

1114
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: you're saying right.

1115
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: So, like I could see that being the case. But

1116
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if it's thirty two

1117
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: and seven a's we're right there. We're right there.

1118
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: But all right, So let's do this again. We did

1119
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 3: this exercise last week and I don't think you loved it,

1120
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: but you actually two different answers for we're going again

1121
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 3: because you put me on the spot, Hunter and Carter

1122
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: off the board.

1123
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 1: Well, Campbell, the phone's not written yet. So last week

1124
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: pounding the table. Okay, So here's here's what I wanted

1125
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: to like point out.

1126
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: Last week. It was very and I understand why I'm

1127
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: not faulting you for it. There was some hemming and

1128
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: hawing in a thought process. Now you're coming back, we

1129
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: do that exercise again.

1130
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Gotta trust my instincts on this.

1131
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: But now you're pounding the table. So you feel better

1132
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: about it now than you did a week.

1133
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: I feel better about it. I feel better and I'm

1134
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: pounding the table for it. But I think it comes

1135
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: back to the take that I've had about this entire draft.

1136
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I keep on.

1137
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm taking crazy bills because no one

1138
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: will listen to me when I say this. You know

1139
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you, but just in general, this is

1140
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: not a blue chip draft.

1141
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 3: Nope.

1142
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: So if we get to four on half night and Abdul, Carter,

1143
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter are not there you are picking between

1144
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: flawed options, right, everybody has an issue at that point. Yeah,

1145
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: Will Campbell hast long enough armand Membu played the wrong

1146
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: side of the offensive line. He's a right tackle And

1147
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: I have a take on that in a second week

1148
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: and get to after we get to some of these calls. Yep,

1149
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan slow, yeah, or he's not fast as you

1150
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: not fast?

1151
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: That is correct, right? Uh, Genty, Genty's a running back.

1152
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: I actually have real quick aside if we're gonna positional

1153
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: value thing aside, like actual makeup of the player, there

1154
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 3: actually is a red flag for Genty. I was doing

1155
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: some work on it. Yeah, he has seven hundred and

1156
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: fifty touches in the last three years. That would be

1157
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: fifth in the NFL during that span. That he's a

1158
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: young guy. That's a lot of mileage for running down.

1159
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: That's a if they were gonna take Genty and we were,

1160
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 3: you know, to come in here the next day and

1161
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: talk about it after you're you know, done, just getting

1162
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: in your feels, that would be my bigger concern than

1163
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: the positional value. Is this is a guy that has

1164
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 3: a lot Yeah, like you better maximize him early because

1165
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 3: that's third contract, probably not second contract.

1166
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know the number off the top of

1167
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: my head. Yeah, gent D feels very Zeke Elliott to me,

1168
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: Wait many carries seek Elliot might not have gotten as

1169
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: many because Ohio State has so many players that they

1170
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: can turn.

1171
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: They leaned on him, but I remember.

1172
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Them leaning on him. Dallas leaned on him early in

1173
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: his career with the Cowboys. He had five really really

1174
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: like all pro caliber years with Dallas and then it

1175
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: dropped off a cliff.

1176
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 3: So he had six hundred fifty. So we had one

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00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: hundred less touches than gent D in that three year span.

1178
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 3: But I would say six hundred and fifty touches in

1179
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: the Big ten a lot probably equates to seven fifty

1180
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 3: in the Mountain West.

1181
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Last couple Tyler Warren, tight end Older, late breakout, late breakout,

1182
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know all those types of things. The

1183
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: Georgia guys, you know, Jalen Walker's an undersized linebacker. He's

1184
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty pound edge rusher, slash hybrid linebacker.

1185
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: MIKEL Williams doesn't have the NFL the college production.

1186
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: He's a project.

1187
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: He's a project. Shamar Stewart definitely a project.

1188
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: I don't even put him in that tier because there's

1189
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: so many other ed rushers ahead him. Calvin Banks.

1190
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: Calvin Banks guard, you think so? I think some people

1191
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: think he's a guard.

1192
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: No, you you you're in the room.

1193
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: Body control, balance, you know, being able to mirror on

1194
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: an island, pass protection. Basically, that was a fancy way

1195
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: of saying pass protection. You know, like those types of

1196
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: all these guys, is my point. All these guys have warts.

1197
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: They all have warts. And so what it comes back

1198
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: down to with this draft is that, in my opinion,

1199
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: this is a fits draft. This is a a needs draft.

1200
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: You want to call it that, It's a fits draft.

1201
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 3: Best player for the football team.

1202
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: This is the player that we need. This is the

1203
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: player that we have a vision for. You know, this

1204
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: is the player that fills a hole, that fills it,

1205
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: that has an immediate pathway to high volume of snaps.

1206
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's going to be any separation

1207
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: between that group in terms of grade on the player.

1208
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: So when I continue to hear best player available, what

1209
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: happens when you know some teams they all use different

1210
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: grading skills. Let's just go one to one hundred.

1211
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it makes it easy.

1212
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: What happens when you have six guys that have a

1213
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: eighty five all of them are be players. They all

1214
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: graded out as eighty five. Right, what is going to

1215
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: be the deal breakers? Where should positional position, positional value,

1216
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: how they interviewed, What do you like?

1217
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: The kid? Do you like?

1218
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: So these are the things that are going to matter

1219
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: in a draft like this. I wish it was different

1220
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: if they had a Joalt level prospect, if there was

1221
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: a Molik Neighbors level prospect. You're not asking these questions, right,

1222
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: You're not getting into this minutia. That's not the year

1223
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: we're in. It's not the draft we're in.

1224
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: Well, we kind of did this last year with Harrison

1225
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 3: and Alt when we because we had the obligatory, like

1226
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 3: if they don't go quarterback conversations, Alton Harrison were tied

1227
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 3: and we went to positional value and things like that.

1228
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing, just with lesser caliber players.

1229
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: But they're all the same within the draft, they're all

1230
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 3: the same caliber.

1231
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,080
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Speaker 1: I know you guys have been waiting on the line

1244
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: for a while. I appreciate it. We're gonna get to

1245
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: your phones right now now. Mark is in Connecticut.

1246
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: What's up? Mark?

1247
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. As always, I

1248
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 7: had a couple of things for you guys. Yay, yay,

1249
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 7: we got thirty three inch arm yay. The big thing

1250
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 7: is Alex, I talked to you one ninety five the

1251
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 7: sports up on Sunday morning.

1252
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 8: I was right.

1253
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 7: Two year deal is what this essentially looks like with

1254
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 7: a third year option. Great deal, I think for the

1255
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 7: value on it. So I'm very happy about that. Travis Hunter,

1256
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 7: if we get him, I really think, like Evan was

1257
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 7: saying earlier, this is a legit offense and I believe

1258
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 7: a playoff contender. Now, if you're talking that, the last

1259
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 7: take is we need a guy I don't know. I'm

1260
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 7: sure you guys remember him, but this guy was awesome.

1261
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 7: Josh Gordon. I know we had problems off the field,

1262
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 7: but when he was on the field in twenty eighteen,

1263
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 7: he was a baller. I am thinking that's the type

1264
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 7: of player Evan that you're trying to talk about.

1265
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: It.

1266
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 7: Am I correct on.

1267
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 6: That, Evan?

1268
00:58:58,560 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1269
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: Pretty close.

1270
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think a little more speed.

1271
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: Gordon was more at that stage of his career.

1272
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that stage of his career. But yeah, no player

1273
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: like that that would be would be great. And I

1274
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: think with Hunter, like it just all comes down to

1275
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: if you draft Hunter, yeat to move back up and

1276
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: get that tackle. Like, if it's Hunter and then you

1277
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 3: move back up and you get a left tackle, you're

1278
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: in great shape.

1279
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1280
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: Love you guys, Thanks, Mark, appreciate it. A little bit

1281
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: of more Will Campbell news from LSU's Pro Day. This

1282
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: is from Jordan Reed to ESPN. Great great draft. Follow

1283
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: if you don't already follow Jordan. Will Campbell has already

1284
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: visited the Patriots, so he's already had his thirty visit

1285
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: with New England and apparently he also has one on

1286
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: the books with the Las Vegas Raiders. Here, I'll just

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Speaker 1: read the tweet. LSU aligned Will Campbell conferred to us

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Speaker 1: on SEC network that he will not participate in the

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Speaker 1: pro day today and stand on his numbers from the

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Speaker 1: scouting combine. He has already visited the Patriots and will

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Speaker 1: visit the Raiders later this week. So Will Campbell, according

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Speaker 1: to Will Campbell, already pretty good source, already been in

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Speaker 1: New England already on a thirty visit with the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: so that is extremely notable. Randall is in Texas.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Randall? Randall you there?

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Speaker 3: What's up? All Right?

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Speaker 1: Call back and we'll get you on. DC is in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. What's up, DC?

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Speaker 4: I was hoping you could help illuminate something for me,

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Speaker 4: which is how much impact a draft grading system actually

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Speaker 4: has on a team's draft board in their grades. Because

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Speaker 4: when I heard like Craft and Vrabel allude to how

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Speaker 4: Elliott Woof didn't get to implement his system to.

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Speaker 6: Like a layman, like an idiot like me. I'm thinking, like, so,

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Speaker 6: what what difference does he make?

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Speaker 9: It was he was still the guy.

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Speaker 2: Making the decision.

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Speaker 4: So I'm really wondering what would.

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Speaker 6: Last draft, How would it have impacted last draft? How

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Speaker 6: it would have been different if he had this grading system?

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Speaker 6: Then what might we expect to change for this upcome draft?

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Speaker 6: Any any clarity for an idiot like me?

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Speaker 1: Much appreciated, thanks DC, And you're not You're not an idiot.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. So I talked to Elliott Wolf

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl about this a little bit, and uh,

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Speaker 1: he did mention that he wouldn't necessarily put a ton

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Speaker 1: of stock into the changing of the grading scale, But

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Speaker 1: the idea of the change of the grading scale was

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Speaker 1: more to just grade the player on the best player available,

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Speaker 1: versus being the Belichick scale, which was very role oriented.

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Speaker 1: Right like, we view this running back in an early

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Speaker 1: down roll, or we review this running back in the

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Speaker 1: third down back role, you know, allah James White, Right like,

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Speaker 1: they had early down linebackers, they had pass game linebackers,

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Speaker 1: they had base ends and they had pass rushing ends

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Speaker 1: like all the way down the board. It was a

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Speaker 1: very specific role, you know, slot receiver, inside receiver, outside receiver,

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Speaker 1: and it had a vision of how does this fit

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Speaker 1: into the new England Patriots system schnatically and so at

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Speaker 1: times that would lead to certain players being higher on

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Speaker 1: the Patriots boards that might have been lower on let's say,

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Speaker 1: at consensus NFL board. And the idea for Elliott Wolfe

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Speaker 1: and I believe this is how they do it in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay as well, was to just grade the player

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum like do we think Will Campbell is

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Speaker 1: better or armand Membu? Nor what role is he going

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Speaker 1: to play? You know, none of this other minutia. When

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Speaker 1: we're stacking the board, you know what determines that. Now,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like I said, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was a huge impact on last year's draft.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they necessarily would have changed a ton

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Speaker 1: about what they did and last year's draft. But that's

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Speaker 1: the idea of it. And just the last thing. The

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Speaker 1: reason why they couldn't fully change it from the Belichick

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Speaker 1: system to this new system is because all the in

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Speaker 1: person scouting Hay was already in the barn when they

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Speaker 1: made the coaching change. So a lot of the evaluation

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Speaker 1: process is done in person, boots on the ground at

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Speaker 1: LSU at Ohio State and physically watching these players up

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Speaker 1: close at games, and so all those grades were already

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Speaker 1: in the books, so you can't redo the grades right

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Speaker 1: like the grade's already done. So they didn't really implement

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Speaker 1: it fully last season because of that. So this is

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Speaker 1: truly the first cycle in the draft where they've used

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Speaker 1: entirely this new system of grading. So I hope that

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Speaker 1: that helps clarify some of that.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it will have a major impact.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to over analyze it.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it's sold just everybody's

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Speaker 3: evaluating the same players. I don't think it makes that

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Speaker 3: big of a difference.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, all right, Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 10: Hey guys, I'm just wondering what the injury status will

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Speaker 10: be for Diggs. Do you think he'll be ready by

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Speaker 10: Game one?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 10: When is he going to be fully dressed? I'm playing

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Speaker 10: for the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the question. So Adam Schefter last night, yep,

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Speaker 1: straight from Stefanzik's agent, I assume, yeah, said that he

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Speaker 1: will be ready for a week one of the regular.

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Speaker 3: That he will be, but that like he could be.

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Speaker 3: He's tracking, tracking, find the.

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Speaker 1: Exactly week one. That seems lofty. That seems like a

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Speaker 1: high benchmark. Yeah, for what it's worth, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: a doctor, don't pretend to be one, but for what

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Speaker 1: it's worth, he's posted some things on social media that

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Speaker 1: he's already running at full speed, which the Twitter doctors

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Speaker 1: tell me that is ahead of schedule. Right, for him

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Speaker 1: to be running at full speed five months removed from surgery,

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Speaker 1: that's a good sign.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne is the one we always kind of go

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Speaker 1: back to with this. He tore his ACL in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three late October, around exactly the same time of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and it took him almost a full year.

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Speaker 3: To get back eleven months, right, he came back at

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Speaker 3: the end of the beginning of October.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I think realistically, twelve ish games of Stefan

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Speaker 1: Diggs in twenty twenty five is probably the realistic.

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Speaker 3: So the record if you want to call it that

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Speaker 3: for the ACLS. Famously, Adrian Peterson, who tours ACL on

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Speaker 3: Christmas was back for Week one and then won the

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Speaker 3: MVP because the guy was just we don't talk enough

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Speaker 3: about it. How impressive that was. Frankly, I knew he

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Speaker 3: had an eight month ACL recovery. I knew he had

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Speaker 3: an MVP. I forgot that were the same year. What

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Speaker 3: a just amazing player. But you know, is it week one?

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Speaker 3: Ready for week one? What does that mean? Maybe he's

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Speaker 3: ready to begin football activities week one? Remember last year

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne talked about how he maybe could have played

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Speaker 3: at the start of the season, but having those four

1405
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Speaker 3: weeks to ramp up football wise made a big difference.

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Speaker 3: So maybe week one he's like technically ready, but they

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Speaker 3: give him that ramp up. I wonder if there's a

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01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 3: thing because you have that ability now. And I was

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Speaker 3: actually just looking. The NFL just sent out like the

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Speaker 3: updated rule change proposals and they are formalizing that thing

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Speaker 3: that they added last year where you can choose two

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Speaker 3: players who don't make the initial fifty three and designate

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Speaker 3: them to return. So I forget exactly what the rules

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Speaker 3: are about how involved those players can be in camp? Yeah,

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 3: but is it something where they maybe they.

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Speaker 1: Can't be if they can't. Okay, so well, actually, no,

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Speaker 1: I take that back. You can't be on pup in

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Speaker 1: practice right once you practice, you you're ineligible for pup

1419
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: injured reserve. You could technically practice and then go on.

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Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's a thing where maybe, and

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Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong on this, I have to really go

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Speaker 3: and look at the rule. Yeah, I was gonna do

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Speaker 3: that this morning, and then the little stuff happened. Do

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Speaker 3: they get Digs back maybe in August around when the

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Speaker 3: preseason starts, just to get him on the field with Drake,

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Speaker 3: may get the early steps in. He then goes on

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Speaker 3: that ir designated return. He continues his ramp up for

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Speaker 3: four weeks, and then boom, he hits the ground running

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Speaker 3: week five. That might be like a best case scenario

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Speaker 3: kind of thing. Yeah, I'm assuming I gotta look up

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Speaker 3: that rule.

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Speaker 1: I'm expecting to see him in October at some point

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Speaker 1: I think is realistic. If it's week one, great, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not expecting week one. I'm hoping week one, expecting October.

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Speaker 1: Either way, though, he should be healthy to play the

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Speaker 1: majority of the season, Like this isn't a situation where

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Speaker 1: he's going to be back in December. Right, it should be,

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Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 3: Will say it what I think helps. I haven't seen

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Speaker 3: the medicals. I'm not a doctor. I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: from everything I've read, sometimes when guys tear their acls

1442
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Speaker 3: like this is this is the case for you? Right?

1443
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 3: It was ACL MCL and I think he did something

1444
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Speaker 3: else too, Right, we're PCL or whatever. Other meniscus blah

1445
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 3: blah blah, this and that. As far I can tell,

1446
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Speaker 3: with Diggs, it's just the ACL.

1447
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Speaker 1: They didn't non contact aco, they.

1448
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Speaker 3: Didn't have to fully rebuild his knee or anything like that.

1449
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Speaker 3: It was the one ligament. So that has to help, right, Yep.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the we take this next comment?

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Speaker 3: All right, Randall's back in Texas?

1452
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Speaker 9: Was that?

1453
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: Randall?

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01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 4: Hey?

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01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 11: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Evan?

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01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: Hey?

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, listen to for a year now. I just want

1459
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 11: to give you all a shout out, man, because I've

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01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 11: started listening to podcast recently, and I've been listening y'all

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01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 11: since we started the draft and when y'all we got

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Speaker 11: Drake May last year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.

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01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So I have a couple of questions actually. First off,

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Speaker 11: now that we have Steffan Diggs, do you think it's

1467
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 11: kind of redundant to drafts Ed mc miller at umber four?

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Speaker 11: And also let's say we do document number four, do

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Speaker 11: you feel like who do you feel like would be

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Speaker 11: I guess the roster cut after if you weren't a draftman,

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Speaker 11: for example, because we would have like what seven may

1472
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Speaker 11: receivers after that on the team now from tennim milling,

1473
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 11: who do you think would be like cut candidates that

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Speaker 11: were to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Randall, that's a really good question. I thought about

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: this too, and I know that it's kind of crazy

1477
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: to think about because the Patriots we've been starving for

1478
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: talent at that position, and you're not going to turn

1479
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: away talent at the receiver position. But numbers are numbers,

1480
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: Like there's only so many roster spots, and if you

1481
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: draft another receiver with a high draft pick, that's a

1482
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: guaranteed roster Locke, He's right, you're talking about having I

1483
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: believe eight receivers on the roster that I'll have a

1484
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: chance to make the team. It would be the rookie Diggs,

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Speaker 1: MATC Collins, Pop Douglas, Kaishawan Boody, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker,

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne. That's a big group, that's it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a big group.

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Speaker 3: But you are going to have an extra roster spot

1489
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Speaker 3: at the beginning, probably for Diggs.

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Speaker 1: But still it's a why would you have an extra

1491
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: rosspot because he's like on I R.

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Speaker 3: Potentially I'm talking about once you get in the regulars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's eight guys. You want to call it

1494
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: seven because of Digs a situation that it might be seven,

1495
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: you could keep six and you could do it that way.

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Speaker 1: My guess is is that whoever is the odd man

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Speaker 1: out is they do try to look for a trade. Yeah,

1498
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: and I love Kendrick Bourne, but it's possible that he

1499
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Speaker 1: could be involved in a trade as a veteran receiver

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Speaker 1: with some some cachet, with a resume of success in

1501
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: the league. I think you get to the point there

1502
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: where you you might have to offload one of those guys,

1503
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: whether it's releasing one of the young players that that

1504
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: just isn't gonna cut it, or it's trading a guy

1505
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: like Kendrick Bourne for whatever you can get for him

1506
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: just to make room on the roster. But it's a

1507
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: fair question. Even though again I'm not saying don't draft

1508
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter or Tech McMillan because you have too many receivers.

1509
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: Nobody's saying that, but it would cause a crunch a

1510
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: little bit at that position. You'd have a lot of

1511
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: players there.

1512
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 3: And I just the first part of question, I don't

1513
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 3: think McMillan's were done. And by the way, I found

1514
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: the rule, and I should have known this from last

1515
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: year because Christian Barmore technically practice, yep, and they designated

1516
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 3: him return. So you could absolutely if Diggs is ready

1517
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 3: to practice in mid to late Oh.

1518
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, the question is, yeah, if he practices, he

1519
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: can place him on injured reserve. There's no problem right now.

1520
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: Technically he's supposed to have an injury, and I know

1521
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: he does, but like it's he's supposed to have an

1522
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: injury that happened, right, like I guess, yeah, yeah, But

1523
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: you could always just say that the knee's not ready, right.

1524
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 3: You know, there's a big difference between being clean. It'd

1525
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 3: be I think that would pass. I don't know. You

1526
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: don't want to lose a draft pick over it.

1527
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not like going there. I'm just saying, like, technically,

1528
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: injured reserve is because somebody got hurt and how they're

1529
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: going on injured reserves. But Isahle's out there suffers a

1530
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: concussion and he's on injured reserve.

1531
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 3: What I'm describing though, is like he'd probably be out

1532
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 3: there in a red non contact jersey, is probably only

1533
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 3: doing one on like one on ones if dad, he's

1534
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 3: not doing team drills like a guy that's clearly not

1535
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: ready for the season. Yep, I would say Counts is injured.

1536
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: I think that that's totally fair. Being able to practice

1537
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 3: and being able to play or two completely different things.

1538
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, he takes him off the pup possibility, right, but

1539
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: it definitely puts.

1540
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: Him on ir possibility. Like, look, if he's playing in

1541
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 3: preseason games, I see why that would be weird. But

1542
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 3: I don't think he's playing a preseason game. Yep.

1543
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: All right, Patty is an Agua on what's up.

1544
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 3: Patty Cup guys, Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

1545
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 9: So I had a couple of questions. The first one

1546
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 9: I'll take on there if that's okay. The second one

1547
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 9: I'll take off there. So just what it's scenario? They

1548
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 9: Carter and Hunter, I got it for. We take Will

1549
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 9: Campbell and the brain Trust to stand, we're going to

1550
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 9: take a receiver at pick thirty eight with our or

1551
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 9: with our second pick, whether they trade up thirty eight

1552
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 9: trades and whatever. Now, we know historically from Wolf's days

1553
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 9: in Green Bay that he favored taller, rengier receivers, and

1554
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 9: we know that historically with Josh McDaniels, they like kind

1555
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 9: of the smaller, shiftier slot guys. Now, let's say the

1556
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 9: choice comes down between the two Iowa State guys. Could

1557
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 9: you see like that getting contentious with Wolfe or do

1558
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 9: you think like he would just defer to his coaching

1559
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 9: staff and say, you know, all right, if you guys

1560
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 9: wanting to well, do you think he's a better fit

1561
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 9: for the system we're gonna run, We'll go with them.

1562
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 7: Uh.

1563
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that they would defer to the coaches.

1564
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, And I don't think that's something

1565
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: that happened on draft night. Those are conversations that are happening. Yeah, no,

1566
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: And everything that he said, Elliot Wolfe has said since

1567
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: the combine really is that he wants to pick players

1568
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: if the coaches want to coach, like, he wants to

1569
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: get guys to coaches like. I don't think he's going

1570
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: to force. I think the exact line he gave was

1571
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to force players on the coaching staff,

1572
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: and I don't think that he's in the business of

1573
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: doing that. So if they truly feel h strongly as

1574
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: a staff, as a coaching staff, that Jalen Noel is

1575
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: a better player than Jayden Higgins for them, then they'll

1576
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: take Noel.

1577
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: It was the second question. I think that was the

1578
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 3: only question he said he had.

1579
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: All right, I want to get into this question though

1580
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: from Floyd.

1581
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 3: The second question is always like really nerdy ones.

1582
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: He can email it in her callback, Patty before we

1583
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: get to the rest of these phones. I do want

1584
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: to answer this question because I think it's a it's

1585
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: the next on my dock and we kind of got lost.

1586
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 3: Is this your take? No, But okay, guys, I want

1587
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 3: to get to that.

1588
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: But this is I go ahead, lost in the sauce

1589
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: of the Campbell arm length conversation a little bit. But uh,

1590
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: this is from Floyd and Michigan, not emailing it about

1591
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: Mason Graham for once, which is nice.

1592
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 3: And Floyd says, could you please.

1593
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: Discuss the signing of Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston and

1594
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: the impact on the draft for the Giants. So last

1595
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: night on Twitter, Alex I got finger wagged. I got

1596
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: finger wagged big time. How dare you on Twitter for

1597
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: suggesting that maybe the Giants having two veteran quarterbacks under

1598
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: contract could take them out of the quarterback sweepstakes? And

1599
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: how could I?

1600
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 3: Like? How could I? Because I've gotten fingerwack for that too.

1601
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 3: Let me just point this out. Yeah, the Giants being

1602
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 3: out of the quarterback conversation at three and the Giants

1603
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: being out of the quarterback conversation period or two different things. Right.

1604
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 3: Maybe it's you know, Brian day Ball is coaching for

1605
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 3: his job. Joe Shane is building this team for his

1606
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 3: job right now. And you could look at it one

1607
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: of two ways. You could look at it and say,

1608
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 3: they want as many options as possible to make sure

1609
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 3: they're good, or maybe they want a young quarterback so

1610
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 3: that ownership has to keep more undeveloped that guy. But

1611
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: if they feel like Russell Wilson with Jamis Winston is

1612
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 3: like a floor, they may look at it and say, well,

1613
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: let's get these guys on the weapon. We don't necessarily

1614
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: believe in these quarterbacks as much. And then you know,

1615
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 3: how big is the gap between to them? So this

1616
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 3: is the one thing I don't think the Giants are

1617
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 3: abdol Carter doesn't make sense for them. The one thing

1618
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 3: they have is edge. So if you get Carter and

1619
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 3: Hunter on the board for them, it's quarterbacks one two.

1620
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: If they're just not going quarterback, right, let's say armand

1621
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 3: Membu go second. I've seen that in a couple of

1622
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 3: mont drafts. Yeah, I think it's Hunter not Carter, and

1623
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 3: then Carter falls to the Patriots. But do they look

1624
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: at it and say, well, all right, what's the gap

1625
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 3: between Hunter and say who's a Oman or I guess

1626
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 3: would be the guy right or Luther Burton? Even what's

1627
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: the gap between Hunter and Luther Burden versus the gap

1628
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 3: between Shader Sanders and Jackson Dart If he falls, maybe

1629
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: they trade back up, or Jackson Dart and Will Howard

1630
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: or Jackson Dart or sorry, Shoulder Sanders and Jalen Miller,

1631
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: Shadeur Sanders and Will Howard or something like that. Do

1632
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 3: they look at it and say, well, let's just we

1633
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 3: have Russell Wilson, who we know can handle himself, got

1634
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: a team in the playoffs last year, kind of let's

1635
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 3: just get him another weapon and then we'll you know,

1636
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 3: we'll develop Millrow, or we'll develop Dart, or will develop

1637
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 3: Howard or something like that. I could see that being there.

1638
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 3: That makes as much sense to me is them going

1639
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: quarterback at three.

1640
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: Makes more sense to me.

1641
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 3: So a couple of things, well, all depends how they

1642
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 3: feel about you shed there, But.

1643
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: A couple of things. One, I agree with your line

1644
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: of thinking completely. To me, if you wanted to take

1645
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback at the top of the day and you're

1646
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna target Shadoor Sanders at the top of the draft,

1647
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 1: there's no reason to sign two bridge quarterbacks, right, There's

1648
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: no reason for it. You would sign your Jacoby Brissett,

1649
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: who probably would have been Jameis Winston, right, and you

1650
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: would have drafted Shador and you would have done exactly

1651
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: what the Patriots did last season with Drake May and

1652
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett. You would have had the exact same setup. Yeah,

1653
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: for a regime, and Brian Dable and Joe Shane, who

1654
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: are coaching and GMing for their jobs right now, who

1655
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: are on the hottest of hot seats, like I think

1656
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 1: they might have the hottest seat in the NFL.

1657
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: They yeah, probably they are on.

1658
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: The hottest of hot seats. Drafting Shador Sanders to sit

1659
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: him behind Russell Wilson does not help them keep their

1660
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: jobs at all.

1661
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 3: No, at all.

1662
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,879
Speaker 1: And I understand everybody brings up the Michael Pennock situation

1663
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It was a first year coach in Atlanta.

1664
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: They had some leeway, they had some rope, And I

1665
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: would also add, well, they also probably thought that Michael

1666
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: Penix was a really damn good quarterback. I don't think

1667
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: Shador has thought of in that way. And the last thing.

1668
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 3: I'll do, we don't think Pennix was thought of in

1669
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 3: that way last year. But I'll just honest I had

1670
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: a credit Fred Toucher for this because I was talking

1671
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: to him about this yesterday. Do you think that there's

1672
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 3: any chance that Shown or Shane and Dave Ball look

1673
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 3: at it as we all right, we're gonna go to ownership. Hey,

1674
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 3: we just drafted this kid. You got to keep us

1675
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: here to develop him because if you fire us, the

1676
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 3: next guys might not want him. And now you blew

1677
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 3: this pick. Do you think that there's any chance that

1678
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 3: they see drafting him as kind of giving themselves a

1679
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: lifeline a life jacket, if anything.

1680
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: Drafting him would give them a lifeline by playing him

1681
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,799
Speaker 1: and saying we got to work out the rookie quarterback

1682
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: quirks well.

1683
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 3: But like either way, I'm saying, like there's an argument

1684
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: you made that drafting him one way, like you have

1685
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: to play him. Maybe they don't plan on play. Maybe

1686
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 3: they think Russell Wilson is like a high level bridge.

1687
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: So Russell Wilson is getting paid ten million dollars of

1688
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: guaranteed money that for next year.

1689
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 3: That's the last year.

1690
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: Eight Yeah, but not ten and no it wasn't.

1691
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: I think it was eight total. I think it was

1692
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: eight total.

1693
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: Anyways, my point is this with the Giants, you can

1694
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: look at it one of two ways. If you're a

1695
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: Patriots fan that's hoping that that they're gonna have Abdul

1696
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: Carter or Travis Hunter fall in their laps at four,

1697
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: the class half full is is that the New York

1698
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: Giants either I guess there's three ways they do it anyway, right,

1699
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 1: and they draft shed Door at three overall and have

1700
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in the room. They the Browns take Shador,

1701
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: which would obviously help if it's one two cam Ward

1702
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders. My fear and my fear all along with

1703
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: this quarterback class is that I don't think the league

1704
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: is as high on Shadoor Sanders as the outside noises.

1705
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: I just I think that's been the reporting, and that's

1706
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: been the sense, that's been the feel going all the

1707
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: way back to January. And what happens is is we

1708
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: get thrust into the draft and all, and we go

1709
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: months and months and months, and we turn and turn

1710
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: and turn, and usually by the time that April twenty

1711
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: fifth rolls around her twenty fourth or whatever it is,

1712
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: we're back to square one, which is this is the

1713
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: board that was set in January, based off the scouts

1714
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: and the tape back in the football season.

1715
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 3: Right.

1716
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: So the whole take that I have right now is

1717
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: Shador is that I think it's just as likely that

1718
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a Shador Sanders slide as it is

1719
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: that we're going to see him go in the top three.

1720
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: Like I think that there's a chance that nobody wants

1721
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: you to door in the top three. And the last thing

1722
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: that I you know, reason why I feel that way

1723
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: it feels to me is everybody's looking for a lifeboat

1724
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: to escape drafting Shador Sanders High. Like everybody's looking for

1725
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: their Russell Wilson, their t Smith, their Aaron Rodgers, potentially

1726
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in Cleveland. There's a lot of smoke there.

1727
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna get left on the outside though. There's not

1728
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 3: a game of musical chairs. There's not enough seats, and

1729
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 3: maybe that is the.

1730
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: But it could be in the New Orleans Saints, or it

1731
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: could be the Pittsburgh Steel or you know, it's not

1732
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: going to necessarily be one of those times three teams

1733
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: real quick.

1734
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 7: Uh.

1735
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 3: Brissett got seven million guaranteed here last year. Okay, so

1736
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: Wilson attends it's a little gap, but the cap went up,

1737
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 3: but as a definitive backup this year, definitive backup. You

1738
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 3: know which Kobe re Set got for guaranteed money? What

1739
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: eight million? Wow? I don't think ten million dollars guaranteed

1740
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: is like a locked in starting quarterback contract.

1741
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it's I just don't think that signing. I think

1742
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 1: signing both those quarterbacks doesn't smell quarterback at three. Like

1743
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: if they had just signed Jamis or if they had

1744
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: just signed Russell Wilson, absolutely then quarterback at three is

1745
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,480
Speaker 1: much really in play. Bringing all three of those quarterbacks,

1746
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make anything.

1747
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 3: I just check out. I default two teams get weird

1748
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 3: and stupid at the quarterback position.

1749
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: So maybe the rule the stupid team is Cleveland, in

1750
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: which case that's but but I would just say if

1751
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: it's Cleveland, I don't think that's the best case scenario

1752
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: for the Patriots either, because I think the Giants go

1753
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter.

1754
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I well, some people would argue Abdul Carter is

1755
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 3: a better outcome than try was Hunter because he's a

1756
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 3: better player, but I wouldn't.

1757
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that it's because he's not a

1758
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: better player.

1759
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: I have him as a better because you want offense.

1760
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 3: I want to and that's fair. That's a fair argument.

1761
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 3: Multiple teams can get done at quarterback, and I would

1762
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: say you are. It's already a position where teams are

1763
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 3: willing to really over extend themselves and get desperate. You

1764
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 3: bring up the Michael Pennox move, which I'm on the

1765
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 3: record is liking. That's a desperate move. It worked out,

1766
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 3: but that's a desperate, Hail Mary kind of move. I

1767
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 3: don't know.

1768
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not a desperate move to me,

1769
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: that was trusting your scouting, like they thought that Michael

1770
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: Pennix was a franchise I could get back, and he

1771
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: fell into their laps there and they couldn't pass on

1772
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback. I just don't think that they don't

1773
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: think the scouts like the other players there too. I

1774
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: just don't think that the league views should here that way.

1775
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 3: So okay, but but here's my point, like teams will

1776
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: we already know teams will get desperate in a little

1777
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 3: out of pocket with the quarterback situation to begin with.

1778
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: You compound that with you have both the head coach

1779
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: and the GM having the hottest seat in the league

1780
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 3: at their respective positions. The Giants are in perfect position

1781
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 3: to do something totally crazy, whether it works or not,

1782
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 3: whether it's the right decision or not. I don't think

1783
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: you could take anything off the table, whether it's taking

1784
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 3: a quarterback at three, whether it's passing on three and

1785
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: going to thirty eight, whether it's taking quarterbacks at three

1786
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: and thirty eight, whether it's not taking a quarterback at all.

1787
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything the New York Giants can

1788
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 3: do at this point. There's one thing that would surprise me, Frankly,

1789
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 3: and it's if they take Abdul Carter anything else. You

1790
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: tell me they take Will Campbell, You tell me they

1791
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: take Ted McMillan again, multiple quarterbacks, no quarterbacks. I don't

1792
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: think there's anything the Giants can do at this point

1793
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 3: that would surprise me. To me, it's all on the

1794
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 3: table with them.

1795
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: I just look at the Giants right now, and you

1796
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: mentioned it. They need to win point blank right in

1797
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Yes, they need to win in twenty

1798
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: twenty five, and you know, maybe Fred Toucher and you

1799
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: will be right about it, buying them some leash if

1800
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: they had to develop this young quarterback like Shador Sanders.

1801
01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: I don't look at it that way. I think that

1802
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: this is the Maras are gonna look at this as

1803
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: a results based season. Are you do you get to

1804
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: our floor wind.

1805
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 3: Total or not?

1806
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: Like if let's say they said it at six seven games,

1807
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: do you win seven games or do you not? If

1808
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: you do well, you get another year. If you don't,

1809
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: you're out. Like it's I really think it's gonna be

1810
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: that cut and dry. What helps the Giants win seven

1811
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: plus games next year? The most sitting, drafting and sitting

1812
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders for a portion or all of the season,

1813
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: or drafting Travis Hunters.

1814
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 3: So that's a very logical way to look at it.

1815
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: But are they sitting there and saying, we need to

1816
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 3: make sure we have a viable quarterback this year? Jamis

1817
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 3: Winston's erratic, Russell Wilson is old, do we want to

1818
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 3: make sure we have a third option? So even if

1819
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: we get here's the thing, Wilson and Winston both have

1820
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 3: their questions, your your jobs on the line. Would you

1821
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 3: spend like you're gonna go to Tommy DeVito. I guess

1822
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 3: it's it's not necessarily a logical way of looking at it,

1823
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 3: But I'm saying you have to.

1824
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: Question it doesn't that's not how teams typically operate.

1825
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 3: Let me put it. It's not it's not how teams

1826
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 3: typically Well again, I go back to the Penix thing.

1827
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 1: Okay, but the Penix thing was different.

1828
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: But it's not. It's teams getting weird about the quarterback coaching.

1829
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: Staff in the in the general manager in Atlanta or

1830
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 1: in a much different place. That has to be said,

1831
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: like they're in a much different right.

1832
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: They had less incentive to do something like that. The

1833
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,440
Speaker 3: Giants are more incentivized to grasp.

1834
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: But straws they had more incentive though, to take some

1835
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: on a on a weird pick. I guess you can't

1836
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: if you're the Giants. You cannot draft a player at

1837
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: three overall that doesn't play as a rookie. You can't

1838
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: do that as a as an organ, as a regime.

1839
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: Unless they think, unless they think less of Russ than

1840
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 3: we're maybe projecting something because they're really nervous about quarterback

1841
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 3: and they it's that.

1842
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense.

1843
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 3: Is it possible. I'm not saying it makes sense, but

1844
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 3: teams have done it. It's kind of like, as I'm

1845
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 3: speaking through it now, are they taking the Are they

1846
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 3: gonna take the same approach a quarterback that the Patriots

1847
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 3: took at the offensive line last year? Well, let's just

1848
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 3: get bodies, Let's just get as many bodies. And so

1849
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 3: this is what I'm saying. So maybe it's not at three,

1850
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 3: but I'm not rolling out. And by the way, within

1851
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 3: all of this, and yes day Ball and Shane hot seat,

1852
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 3: shouldn't Kevin Stefanski's seat be just as hot? The Browns

1853
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 3: haven't made the playoffs in five years.

1854
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm not rolling out to Brown's taking Sha Door.

1855
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm like the Browns. We could have the same conversation

1856
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 3: about are you betting your job? Like I feel better

1857
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 3: betting my job on Russell Wilson than I do on

1858
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett. And I don't feel great about Russell Wilson,

1859
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 3: but I feel better about Russell Wilson than Kenny Pickett.

1860
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 1: I am not taking anything off the table for anybody.

1861
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: But if I had to guess, the Giants know one

1862
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: of two things. Chador stinks, nobody wants you Door yep,

1863
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: which I think is a possibility.

1864
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: What if this all just is them getting turn the

1865
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 3: second round.

1866
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: That's I'm not totally ruling that out, or like late

1867
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: first round trade up situation. Chador stinks and nobody wants

1868
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: him because in my mind, everybody's running for an escape

1869
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: route from drafting Shador standers. The Saints brought back Derek

1870
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Carr for God only knows what reason. Right The Raiders

1871
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 1: traded for Gino Smith. The Giants signed multiple bridge quarterbacks.

1872
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 3: The Seahawks paid Sam Donald one hundred million.

1873
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,919
Speaker 1: The Seahawks paid Sam Darnald. The Steelers are gonna potentially

1874
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,480
Speaker 1: sign Aaron Rodgers. They all are getting.

1875
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks pay justin fields.

1876
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Sure, they all are getting quarterbacks to avoid having to

1877
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: reach on a quarterback in the draft, and I think

1878
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of them probably would feel like Shador in

1879
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: the top five is a reach. Now the glass half

1880
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: full again, is that maybe the quarterbacks are going one

1881
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: to two and the Giants know it, so they know

1882
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get one, unlike the Patriots last year

1883
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: who had three with three quarterbacks, right, and so they

1884
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: had to go other, go elsewhere with the quarterback. Now

1885
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: it's that's still okay for the Patriots, it's not My

1886
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: ideal is still Travis Hunter. So I don't think that's ideal.

1887
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: But you're still getting ad to a carter, which is.

1888
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: Great, or maybe a haul in a trade down. Yeah.

1889
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:05,759
Speaker 3: I know that's sensitive subject.

1890
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: But another one I got fingered right, yeah, the same person. Anyways,

1891
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: let's get into armand Membu here a little bit and

1892
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 1: then well we'll wrap up some of these calls.

1893
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 3: Uh wait, same person. What Oh, I know what you're

1894
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 3: talking about now?

1895
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1896
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Uh with armand Membu, so we're getting a lot of calls,

1897
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: getting a lot of emails about him at four. Overall,

1898
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: my feeling on armand Membu and I did some digging

1899
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: on this, and I asked around about this to a

1900
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: couple of people that would know My feeling on armand

1901
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: membu is that there's almost I would say there is

1902
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,839
Speaker 1: just as small as a sample size of career college

1903
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: right tackles flipping sides to left tackle and being good

1904
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: successfully successfully. Yeah, you're really looking at one guy and

1905
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: then like one and a half. Okay, Tristan Wharf's is

1906
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: the is the one right if you want to point

1907
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: to somebody, just like we point to some of the

1908
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: shorter tackles with Will Campbell and say that the guy

1909
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: that the Shawn Slater is the guy for Will Campbell

1910
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: in terms of shorter arm tackles that made it in

1911
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: the NFL. If you're looking for that guy, then Tristan

1912
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: WARF's is the guy. He was a college right tackle.

1913
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: He actually played his first season at right tackle in

1914
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I forget who it was.

1915
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Who do they haven't left Donald Penn?

1916
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: They had somebody at left tackle, might have been Donald

1917
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: Penn for Brady's Super Bowl year, Tristan Worf's played right tackle.

1918
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 3: Oh it was Donovd Smith, right, Donovan Smith.

1919
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those guys that guy moved on, retired, whatever,

1920
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: and Tristan Worfs has since flipped and is an All Pro.

1921
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: He's fantastic, He's one of the best. Him and Penny

1922
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,919
Speaker 1: Soel are the two best tackles in football in Trent Williams.

1923
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: So that's your guy if you want that to happen.

1924
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was Donald Smith, the other guy, the.

1925
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Half guy like Jedrick Wills did it. I don't know

1926
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: if we count Jedrick Wills as like a great player.

1927
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 3: If they take Jedrick Will it four overall, I'm with you, yeah, yeah,

1928
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 3: so do that later in the draft.

1929
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills did it, and then the other couple are

1930
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: attempting to do it. Tyler goeighton Talisa Fugala, who I

1931
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: don't know is gonna continue to do that. Jac Latham

1932
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: and Tennessee did it his rookie season, and then they

1933
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: signed Dan Moore Junior to the worst contract in free

1934
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: agency to move jac Latham back to right tackle. Right

1935
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: So Tyler Goetton like was on and off the bench

1936
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: all year long in Dallas trying to play left tackle

1937
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: as a college right tackle, and jac Latham played it

1938
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,839
Speaker 1: in Tennessee for one of the worst teams in football,

1939
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: and then was immediately moved not one of the worst

1940
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: team in football, and then was asked to move back

1941
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: to right tackle, and they signed Dan Moore Junior. So,

1942
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: if we're gonna sit here and we're gonna say that

1943
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: there's a tiny sample size of short arm left tackles

1944
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: that have made it in the NFL a llah Will Campbell.

1945
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: There's similarly a tiny sample size of right tackles that

1946
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: have flip sides to left tackles and have worked out

1947
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: a la armand Membu. In terms of Membo the town,

1948
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of talent there. He's better

1949
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: run blocker than he is a pass blocker. He's a

1950
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: very very good run blocker, especially on zone schemes. On

1951
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: the front side of zone schemes. He can hook the

1952
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: end and get you out on the edge in a hurry,

1953
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: and he's very very good at that. He's very good

1954
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: at climbing to the second level of the defense. He

1955
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: is a great run blocker, really good run blocker. Based

1956
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: off of his measureables, he can play tackle. He's got

1957
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: the athleticism, he's got the length. His body type is

1958
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of guard he's a thicker body, shorter, thicker, shorter,

1959
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: stouter body type. But he's he's gonna, I think, with

1960
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: the length and with the athleticism, is going to check

1961
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: out as a tackle for most teams.

1962
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 3: So he was was he was a guard. He did

1963
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 3: start playing football TI late till I think like tenth grade,

1964
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 3: and he was recruited to Missouri as a guard. Yeah,

1965
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 3: and then kicked out to tackle once he got there.

1966
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 1: So I think we're in the same spot that we

1967
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: are with Will Campbell. If you like Armand Membu's tape

1968
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 1: better than Will Campbell's, then you could say that he

1969
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: can flip sides just like Will Campbell can make it

1970
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: work with shorter arms. I think it's a risk just

1971
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: the same. So if you're if you're out on Will

1972
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Campbell was short because of short arms, I can't really

1973
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: see how you're in on flipping Armond Membou right, Like,

1974
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: I feel like both those things are equal in terms

1975
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: of the risk with the or the risk reward with

1976
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: the player.

1977
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1978
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a risk either way with you. And

1979
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: then I also just you can't draft a guy there

1980
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: with Morgan Moses at right tackle and plan on sitting

1981
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: him like he's.

1982
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Got the fourth overall pick, has to play right now.

1983
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 3: Some people might say, try him at left tackle for

1984
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 3: the year, then move him back over when Morgan moses

1985
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 3: or tires.

1986
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: But could do it, or just.

1987
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 3: Take a left tackle and then take a right tackle

1988
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 3: next year in a better class.

1989
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could do it now. The emailer that kind

1990
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: of sparked U, you know seguitoes into this, said that

1991
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,520
Speaker 1: you know that that exact plan, right, why don't you

1992
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: play him at left tackle as a rookie kind of

1993
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: like guard as a fallback for Will Campbell. The fallback

1994
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: for Armond Membu is that we're just gonna flip him

1995
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: back to.

1996
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 3: His naturals because and it's the same risk with Campbell

1997
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 3: because if he can't do it, now, what are you

1998
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 3: doing at left tackle? And if you're gonna say go

1999
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 3: get a bridge, I would say, then just get a

2000
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 3: bridge and draft the tackle next year. Yeah, it's interesting.

2001
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 3: I thought.

2002
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: It's hard to project his tape. I would say as

2003
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 1: a pass blocker I mentioned earlier, you know these RPO

2004
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: college offenses run heavy offenses. I would describe Miszoo as

2005
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: run heavy. You know, they ran the ball.

2006
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 3: They were this year if you go back and watch

2007
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 3: twenty three, you'll get some more because they just they

2008
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 3: had to get away from Brady Cook. Yeah.

2009
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: They also he played on the right side. He did

2010
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: not face the same level of rushers that Will Campbell did,

2011
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: And I would also just mention that he got some

2012
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 1: help on that right side. They tended to help their tackles,

2013
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: like quite a bit at Missouri, chipping moving the pocket.

2014
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 3: Because they good luck because they had Javon Foster last

2015
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:49,799
Speaker 3: year if you any player before that time.

2016
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: So they didn't have as many. He doesn't have as

2017
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: many true dropbacks on his tape as Will Campbell does.

2018
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: I think he's a decent pass protector, but I think

2019
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: he's a better run blocker that to me screams right tackle.

2020
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: That's typically a right tackle in the NFL, high level

2021
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: run blocker, solid pass protector. You keep him on the

2022
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: right side so he's not on the blind side of

2023
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's typically the thought process there. But we'll

2024
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: see a couple of other things on tackles. One draft

2025
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: guy that I want to get to here in a second,

2026
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: that that I have watched recently, but this is from

2027
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Phil in Toronto. He asks about Tyron Smith and signing

2028
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: him as a potential stop gap. I've started to come

2029
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: around on Tyron Smith already, but just reading the tea

2030
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 1: leaves of what they've done so far, doesn't it make

2031
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that they would do something like

2032
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: that to go into the draft and take best player

2033
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: available and not be hamstrung by need and all that

2034
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. They've done that at every single other

2035
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: position on the roster now, especially with Diggs right with

2036
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: the signing out wide receiver, they have found a serviceable

2037
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 1: answer for twenty twenty five for the short term at

2038
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 1: every every other position on the roster edge rusher with

2039
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 1: Harold Landry and Chase on right tackle, with Morgan Moses

2040
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver, with Stefon Diggs and Matt Collins. The only

2041
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: spot that they haven't done that yet with his left tackle,

2042
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: which makes me feel like, is there a Tyron Smith

2043
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 1: offer out there? There could be. He was a I

2044
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: would say NFL average left tackle for the Jets last year,

2045
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: just like Morgan Moses was an NFL average right tackle.

2046
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get Tyron Smith. He's gonna be a

2047
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: respectable NFL caliber left tackle. Pair him with a high

2048
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 1: draft pick, even if he doesn't play the whole season

2049
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: because the injuries, which has been a problem for him,

2050
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: you have Josh Connerley, Arion Rasrie, whoever waiting in the wings.

2051
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't rule it out because that's what they've done

2052
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: everywhere else on the roster.

2053
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 3: If they were to do that, how would you feel

2054
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 3: about drafting I guess you could do this with Membu

2055
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:55,799
Speaker 3: or Campbell at four, playing that guy at left guard

2056
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 3: this year, and then moving that guy out to there,

2057
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 3: which tackle position next year.

2058
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I'll love it because I just I don't want to

2059
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: do the mic on one. No right where like he's

2060
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: playing inside, playing outside, is playing left, he's playing right,

2061
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: like I guess I would like I would prefer to

2062
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 1: have him entrenched. The only say that with a Day

2063
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: two pick that you're not quite as invested in, And

2064
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 1: that's different like if they drafted, uh just throwing a

2065
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: name out there. If they drafted like Anthony Belton, Yeah,

2066
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 1: and they played him at left guard and then maybe

2067
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: they they projected him as left tackle long term. I

2068
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't hate that upside play there, maybe not at four them.

2069
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 3: The only reason I say that is because all right,

2070
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 3: if they answer it at left tackle, it truly is

2071
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 3: best player available. Can't you make a really strong case

2072
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 3: that Campbell's still the best player available.

2073
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: If those two guys are off the board.

2074
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 3: Sure, and now you really don't need to chase a

2075
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 3: need the I mean the alternative would be, does Aston

2076
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 3: Genty become more realistic if they signed Tyron Smith?

2077
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: That's what the emailer. That was the case the emailer. Okay, yeah,

2078
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: take ash gent.

2079
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean there's an argument there.

2080
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: There's an argument. I just look at the you know,

2081
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 1: before we even get to the repercussions on the draft. Yeah,

2082
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I just look at what they've done so far in

2083
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: free agency, and that's the one spot where they don't

2084
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: have an answers.

2085
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 3: But does he want to come here? That's that's why

2086
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 3: they haven't gotten any left tackle? Yes, not guys that

2087
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 3: want to come here. If it's Hunter, Carter gone, phone

2088
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 3: not ringing for Tyron Smith is here? Who's your pick?

2089
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: Hard Carter? Hunter gone? And Tyron Smith is here?

2090
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? Still Will Campbell and you're playing him at left guard?

2091
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 3: Is it tat McMillan to add to the receiver room?

2092
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 3: Is it member with guard and moving the right tackle

2093
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 3: next year? Is genty Moore in play now, is Tyler

2094
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 3: Warren Moore in play Now? I'm on Jalen Walker.

2095
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I would steer towards Campbell still, I think that they

2096
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: might go for one of those Georgia guys, and they

2097
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: might go for defense to really put the cherry on

2098
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: top of the defense right and really completed, at least

2099
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: in their eyes, right with a Jalen Walker or something.

2100
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 3: So you would take Campbell and playment left guard, yeah,

2101
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 3: because if you're taking him there, you're playing him and

2102
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 3: then the is he's kicking out next year? Yep. At

2103
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 3: that point, I don't know if i'd do it. I

2104
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 3: have a long look at Ashton gent Man at that point.

2105
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, I think I might go McMillan in

2106
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 3: that situation because now you're like really putting that wide

2107
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 3: receiver room together. You're giving Drake may at target he

2108
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 3: can grow within the long term, and maybe McMillan doesn't

2109
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 3: have quite the ceiling of a guy usually take up there.

2110
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 3: But I guess you're still gonna have to go left

2111
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 3: tackle next year in the draft. But like, if you

2112
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 3: take McMillan there and he becomes your T Higgins and

2113
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 3: next year you draft the Jamar Chase. You're really like

2114
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 3: you're in great shape. That's a tough one. Yeah, that's

2115
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 3: a tough one.

2116
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still not taking genty, but I hear what

2117
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: you're saying.

2118
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: I said i'd have a long look. I didn't say

2119
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 3: I take him, but I'd have a long That's a

2120
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 3: nice cop out, all right, Roger just said I might

2121
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 3: take me.

2122
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Robin mccatskills has a question about Charles Grant from William

2123
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:59,440
Speaker 1: and Mary, who I watched recently. He's kind of the

2124
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: the middle round, like, you know, a high upside tackle

2125
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: prospect right like raw, really toolsy. You can see the athleticism,

2126
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: you can see the movement skills and the range at

2127
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 1: the position right when you turn on the tape. He's

2128
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: one of those guys played at a lower level at

2129
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: William and Mary. With all those guys, I always say

2130
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 1: the same thing when you turn on the tape, do

2131
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: you know who you're watching?

2132
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 7: Like?

2133
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 3: Do you are?

2134
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: You automatically like, that's the guy that's gonna be an

2135
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: NFL player because he's obviously not playing with other NFL

2136
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: players on the field. So there's one guy that belongs

2137
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: in the league. And if he doesn't move like that,

2138
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't displace defenders in terms of blocking. You know,

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01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,480
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the play strength and the athleticism

2140
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: that just are separating him from the rest of the

2141
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: guys on the field, and then he's not the guy

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01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 1: I did think. I saw that with Charles Grant. Now

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01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: at that being said, his past sets need to be

2144
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,879
Speaker 1: completely reworked from the ground up. He is a total project.

2145
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: In pass protection, he's a kind of like a segmented

2146
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: just like clunky mover and pass protection. But he also

2147
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: is you know, baited easily out of his leverage, you know,

2148
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 1: with fakes and stutters and things like that, as hand

2149
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: placement issues, footwork issues.

2150
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 3: He's got a.

2151
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Long way to go as a pass protector. He's a

2152
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: true project. That's you're taking this guy to develop him

2153
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,839
Speaker 1: over a two or three year period. Not an answer

2154
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: right away at left tackle. But that being said, when

2155
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 1: you get past that Connery Simmons ursery tier, if you

2156
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 1: want to throw Covin Banks in there, when you get

2157
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: past that tier, you're really you're at like Anthony Belton

2158
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 1: in Charles in Charles Brant, like that's like the next

2159
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: tier of true left tackles, probably in the third or

2160
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: fourth round. So I see some upside there. I see

2161
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: some potential there, but certainly not a long term answer

2162
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: at that position, or not a day one answer, I

2163
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: should say, at that position. So let's get back to

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01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: the phones and we'll wrap it up here. A few

2165
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: more thoughts on some pro day stuff, but let's let's

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01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,759
Speaker 1: get back to the phones. Craig is in South Carolina.

2167
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: What's up, Craig?

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01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 12: Hello, here you go.

2169
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 1: You're on the air. What's up?

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01:39:59,400 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 8: Yeah?

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01:39:59,680 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: You can?

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01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 12: I mean, okay, cool, let me turn up my sound here. Sorry. Anyways, God,

2173
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 12: I am just so excited about getting to Pond Diggs.

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01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 3: And if you.

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Speaker 12: Actually, for one, I agree with what you said Evan

2176
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 12: on he he elevates the receiving room immensely. And if

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01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 12: you've seen his workouts, I mean, how much weight he's

2178
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 12: actually putting on that knee. I just blew my mind.

2179
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 12: I'm like, man, this guy's gonna be ready to go.

2180
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 12: So I know you guys are hypothetical and whether he'll

2181
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 12: be ready to go, but I think I think, man,

2182
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 12: it's going to be something amazing to watch and totally

2183
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 12: change the teams. But you know, I coached football for

2184
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 12: five years So this is how I fulfill my need

2185
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 12: now that I'm not coaching. Listening to Evan and his

2186
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 12: breakdown has been amazing. But one thing about Bill Belichick

2187
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,720
Speaker 12: is whenever he couldn't defend someone and he would out,

2188
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 12: he would, you know, make a big effort, go out

2189
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 12: and get him. Like Milton Williams. There's a guy that

2190
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 12: pretty much really hard to defend. Thinking with Diggs, but

2191
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 12: I liked your take on the Tyrone Smith. I think

2192
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 12: we need to go grab him right away.

2193
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 9: That's all I got.

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01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Greg, Thanks for the call. It's exciting and I

2195
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: was texting you about this before the show. I don't

2196
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: know if he'll be healthy for training camp, yeah, but

2197
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: if he is, I'm just really looking forward to seeing

2198
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 1: him practice because we cover camps and I'm not trying

2199
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: to throw shade at the receivers that we've covered. But

2200
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 1: it's not exactly been Steffan Diggs right, like, we haven't

2201
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 1: really seen that. The one time I saw it was

2202
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams in Vegas right when we had the joint practices,

2203
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 1: AJ Brown last year when he came for the joint

2204
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 1: practices with Philadelphia. But to see a guy of that

2205
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 1: caliber practice day in and day out. I think would

2206
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: be a great just for entertainment purposes, but also great

2207
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: just for understanding what it looks like like in a

2208
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 1: practice of Like, this is what an elite receiver looks

2209
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: like on the practice field. I hope that we get

2210
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: to see that at least a little bit, maybe towards

2211
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,600
Speaker 1: the end of training camp. All right, this is a

2212
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 1: this is.

2213
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:08,679
Speaker 3: A big one. We gotta we gotta go to big

2214
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 3: ee Eldred.

2215
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: You got a receiver?

2216
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 3: Man? Do you like it? What do you think.

2217
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 11: There?

2218
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 12: Hey?

2219
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 2: Fello's how y'all do it? Hey? Yeah? I like Diggs.

2220
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: I wanted Diggs when he tried to leave Minnesota and

2221
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 2: Brady get the Kicks or whatever and billow Chick wouldn't

2222
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 2: take him eighteen Buffalo got him after that and who

2223
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 2: I ask every every year? So I wanted him back then.

2224
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: But question something my hurt on the radio, Evan and uh,

2225
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 2: let's say Travis Hunter is right there, poor you right there,

2226
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 2: dollas come up to you, say they give you they

2227
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 2: number one they won this year, one next year, a

2228
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 2: two this year and a three to four next year

2229
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 2: to get Travis Herner? Would you do it?

2230
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: It's a good question, alidra Dot thanks for the call,

2231
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we finally got a receive for Aldred

2232
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 1: has been calling in.

2233
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 3: There's some extra in net in that in at home.

2234
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, since I got here, and I'm sure even before that,

2235
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: I know it's big DK guy. So that's all the

2236
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 1: way back to nineteen. I would not do that for

2237
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, I don't think, just because to me, it

2238
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: just it marries up way too well with need and

2239
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: player and talent and all that stuff.

2240
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 3: You're getting a future first. I'd see if I could

2241
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 3: switch those secondary picks, get a future second and a third.

2242
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 3: This year you get two extra I don't think Cowboy's

2243
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 3: gonna be very good this year. You get two extra

2244
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 3: top fifty picks. Next year, in a much better draft,

2245
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 3: You're still gonna be able to get a solid player

2246
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 3: at twelve. Like if you can get Matthew Golden at

2247
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 3: twelve and then you have two first round picks next year,

2248
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:50,520
Speaker 3: that's tantalizing.

2249
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Man, it's exciting. It's it's intriguing. I should say, so

2250
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 1: is pairing Travis Hunter and Drake May for the next decade.

2251
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 3: That's true, right, but what if it's uh, the Kendrick

2252
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 3: law next year. I'm just pulling names. I really haven't

2253
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 3: done that much info on these guys, but like Carnell

2254
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 3: Tait next year from Ohio State, and it's that guy, and.

2255
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Speaker 1: I just I would do it for abdul Carter. They

2256
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: have enough on defense. Yes, abdul Carter would be the

2257
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: finishing piece, and that would be you have.

2258
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:20,600
Speaker 3: To get a haul to trade abdol Carter. But like

2259
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 3: if someone think give you a hall, you get.

2260
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: A haul if if they if it's abdul Carter at

2261
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: four and I said this over the weekend, it's the

2262
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: other thing that got me chirped on the internet. If

2263
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: it's abdul Carter at four and somebody offers you that

2264
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: that's the will Anderson trade package, which I think was

2265
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: my take. By the way, So will Anderson trade package

2266
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: to move down to let's say to ten to twelve

2267
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: range and you get all the stuff that that Eldred said.

2268
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots have too seriously consider doing that

2269
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: because I think they could play a game tomorrow with

2270
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,759
Speaker 1: Mike Brabel coaching them up and have a pretty good defense.

2271
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2272
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: Now, abdul Carter would maybe take it from good to great.

2273
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't allow for that, but I think that you

2274
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: would have invested heavily now Digs. It doesn't change it,

2275
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: but it kind of changes the tap a little bit.

2276
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 1: But you've invested so heavily on the defensive side of

2277
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:12,640
Speaker 1: the ball all off season that I think that you

2278
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,600
Speaker 1: have enough on that side of the ball to be

2279
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: competitive if you traded down and you got the Hall,

2280
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 1: which is the big part of it, right, and then

2281
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: you were able to still take a tackle or receiver

2282
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 1: at let's say ten with the Chicago Bears or twelve

2283
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 1: with the Dallas Cowboys, or whatever the case may be.

2284
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I would strongly consider that one Travis Hunters makes it

2285
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 1: a little bit harder just because of the position. But

2286
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider it as a team

2287
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 1: like the Patriots that have a lot of holes still.

2288
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 3: And again, there's future drafts, right, you have a future

2289
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 3: pick next year. You can still get back in the

2290
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 3: top five without having to actually have a record indicative

2291
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 3: of a top five pick. Right, you have all the

2292
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 3: same unition to move up and move around in a

2293
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 3: better draft. Like don't lose sight of that. There's more

2294
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 3: rounds beyond the first round this year, and there's more

2295
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 3: drafts beyond this draft two first round. I don't remember

2296
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 3: when was the last time the Patriots had two first

2297
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 3: round I guess would have been eighteen. That kind of

2298
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:08,599
Speaker 3: blew that one. But before that, Chandler Jones, Dante high Tower, right,

2299
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 3: or you can move up and really shoot up the

2300
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 3: board there, maybe you push your chips a little more

2301
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 3: down the road. And now, dare I say we're talking

2302
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 3: about Jeremiah Smith, like, having two first round picks can

2303
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 3: be incredibly, incredibly valuable. Do not sleep on what that

2304
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 3: does for the long term outlook of the franchise. This

2305
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 3: is what we were talking about back before that Buffalo game, right,

2306
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 3: this is what I said about falling from one to four.

2307
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 3: I don't think it really impacts their offseason this year

2308
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 3: because if they're gonna take Carter at four, or they're

2309
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 3: gonna take Hunter at four, Like, if they're gonna take

2310
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 3: Carter Hunter at one, they still very well might have

2311
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:46,799
Speaker 3: a shot to take that guy at four. The difference

2312
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 3: is you could say, well, if we move back to three,

2313
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 3: we'll still get one of those guys and we'll get

2314
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 3: a future first for next year. That's where winning that

2315
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 3: game against Buffalo changes things, is you lose that ability

2316
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,759
Speaker 3: to pick up the future first. You still can maybe

2317
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 3: do that, but if you do it, you're punting on

2318
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 3: on Hunter Carter. So the other the Hunter and Carter.

2319
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 1: I should say really quickly about the draft capital that

2320
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: comes from that trade down. Don't sleep on the fact

2321
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: that you can trade those picks for a player that too. Right, Like,

2322
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: so let's say next offseason you can swing that big

2323
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 1: receiver trade with the.

2324
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 3: Extra draft cap and you still a first round picking.

2325
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:27,719
Speaker 1: Right, So like that, I I look at it and

2326
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily about being able to move the or on

2327
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 1: the board. I look at it as being able to

2328
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:33,639
Speaker 1: move that pick for a veteran player.

2329
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 3: Flexibility. Yeah, it's all about flexibility.

2330
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think you do have to think about it.

2331
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 1: Jeff is in Virginia, what's up?

2332
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 3: But it has to be a haul. You're not just

2333
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 3: trading Abdol Carter to move back to your spots and

2334
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 3: pick up a second Sorry first time, Jeff.

2335
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 13: You guys just talked about trading for players, and we

2336
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 13: keep talking about a stop gap at left tackle. Their

2337
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 13: chargers haven't extended later yet and they just drafted Joe All.

2338
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 13: Why are we not offering them a crap ton of

2339
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 13: picks for him. They moved all to left tackle, they

2340
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 13: draft a right tackle. We got our left tackle for

2341
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 13: the next five years, making my highest state guy. Do

2342
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 13: you guys think that would be a good option to

2343
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 13: just solve our left tackle issue? And what would you

2344
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 13: be willing to trade?

2345
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 5: Is it four?

2346
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 13: Is it thirty eight plus the future first?

2347
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 7: Is it the.

2348
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 13: Hugsl trade plus thum? Anyway, I'll take it off there, I.

2349
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 3: Think, thanks Jeff.

2350
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 1: Look, I would take Rashaan Slater in a heartbeat.

2351
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's happened. No, They're

2352
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna pay him. There's teams aren't like we just

2353
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 3: went through this right, and they might take it down

2354
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 3: to the wire like the Ravens did with Stanley team,

2355
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 3: especially a team like the Chargers that wants to play,

2356
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 3: that wants to win at the line of scrimmage above

2357
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 3: all else. They're not letting Rashaun Slater go. They're gonna

2358
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 3: pay him hypothetically, you know, can you fly, can you switch?

2359
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:48,480
Speaker 3: Can you flip four for him? I'd probably do that outright.

2360
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 3: You know, would you trade your second, third and fourth

2361
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 3: round pick for him? I might do that. Hesitant I'd

2362
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 3: probably give a few future first. I'm kind of hesitant

2363
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 3: to trade future picks in this draft. I don't think

2364
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna see a lot of future picks move because

2365
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 3: teams aren't gonna borrow from the future for weaker draft.

2366
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 3: But I just the Chargers are nuts if they trade later.

2367
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 3: Even getting a right tackle is hard enough. So even

2368
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 3: if you're gonna move alt Over, that still creates a

2369
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 3: major hole in a position that's tough to fill. You

2370
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 3: pay tackles, it's what you do. They took all those

2371
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 3: receivers off the books. They took a couple of their

2372
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 3: big paid defensive players off the books in Bosa and

2373
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 3: in mac Derwin. James is getting up there. They're gonna

2374
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 3: get out of that contract soon. A lot of their

2375
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 3: team's gonna be on rookie deals. Besides Herbert. They can pay,

2376
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 3: and they should pay Rashawn Slater.

2377
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't see Jim Harbuch giving up his trenches. No,

2378
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I don't necessarily think it would

2379
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: take four to get Rishawn Slater, just because we've seen

2380
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: a time and time again when a player needs to

2381
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: get paid, there's a tax in the trade for that.

2382
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,760
Speaker 1: In the NFL, where you know, if the team that's

2383
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 1: acquiring that player that also needs to give him megan extension.

2384
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 1: We just saw this happen with DK Metcalf. I think

2385
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: you get a little bit less than what you would

2386
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 1: get normally if the player was under under contract for

2387
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, a longer period of term. So I don't

2388
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:08,759
Speaker 1: know if it would take four. I think the Larmie

2389
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: Tunnel trade is probably a framework of where play. Teams

2390
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 1: would probably start with Rashaun Slater, but I would love

2391
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 1: the player. I don't see the Chargers doing it.

2392
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:18,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's happening.

2393
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take this last call and then I

2394
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: want to get to one last thing here before we

2395
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: rap it. But Rio is in Texas?

2396
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 3: What's up? Ryo?

2397
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 8: Hey you guys, thanks taking my call. Uh So, I

2398
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 8: want to bring up a point and then ask the question.

2399
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 8: The point I want to bring up is as far

2400
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 8: as the two teams drafting head of the Patriots that

2401
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 8: potentially be looking at a quarterback, Arch Manning has to

2402
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 8: come into the conversation right as far as why they're

2403
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:50,520
Speaker 8: not going to look at Jadar Standers because.

2404
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 3: Yes and no, it can be the prize yeah, I

2405
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 3: think another question.

2406
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 1: Oh do you have another question?

2407
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 8: Yeah? Okay, And my question is, as far as this

2408
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:04,680
Speaker 8: draft goes, who's the prospect? Because I don't like the

2409
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 8: top of this drafts. I said that last week. I've

2410
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 8: kind of dubbed it like the Island of Misfit Toys.

2411
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 8: All these guys have problems. So who's the guy in

2412
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 8: later rounds of the draft, you know, after the first

2413
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,640
Speaker 8: day you think has potentialed the the best player at

2414
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 8: his position in say three years.

2415
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question to the first point. Thanks for the call, Reo.

2416
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've seen enough of arch Manning

2417
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: for me to sit here in say.

2418
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Arch Manning's Texas going with Quinn eyrs No, who's the

2419
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 3: elik uh? When he got hurt last year two years

2420
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 3: ago and they were making a playoff push when yours

2421
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 3: got hurt, they could have gone to Manning, and they

2422
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 3: went to some Malik Murphy instead, who was also a

2423
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 3: true freshman sore a freshman, so it was an experienced thing.

2424
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 3: Like they told you, they didn't think arch Manning was ready.

2425
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 3: That was two years ago. But I'm not as gaga

2426
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 3: over arch Manning as everybody else. It's also if we

2427
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 3: talked about this earlier, the Giants coaches, Brown's coaches that

2428
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 3: are betting on their jobs. It's tough to go to

2429
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 3: the owner and say, sorry, we went three and thirteen again,

2430
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:09,799
Speaker 3: but arch Manning will be the ant, Like you can't.

2431
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I just thought, an, I don't think we have enough

2432
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 1: film on arch Manning yet to say that he is.

2433
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 1: This is not underclassman Trevor Lawrence, underclassman Andrew Luck Like,

2434
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:21,640
Speaker 1: this isn't one of those guys where you have a

2435
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 1: full season of tape out on him already, where we're

2436
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 1: sitting here and saying, you know, underclassman Caleb Williams, right,

2437
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 1: it wins the Heisman Trophy as a as a true sophomore, Like,

2438
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,719
Speaker 1: we're not there yet. I don't think with arch Manning

2439
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 1: to his second question kind of segues into my last

2440
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: thing here that.

2441
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,679
Speaker 3: I say, do you running backs count here? Because obviously

2442
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:40,879
Speaker 3: they just don't go in first.

2443
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna segue into it, don't worry. So Alexander emailed

2444
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: it and he said that he loves the show, thank you,

2445
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 1: and loves the draft coverage, thank you. But the one

2446
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 1: thing that he says that he is missing is we

2447
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: haven't done recency.

2448
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 3: Bias in a while. We haven't.

2449
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I know, we've had a lot of news and stuff

2450
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: like that to talk about, so we haven't done it.

2451
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 1: We only have seven minutes, but I wanted to do

2452
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of recency bias. I have recently gone

2453
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 1: through the top fifteen running backs in this draft. I

2454
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 1: want to say consensus right. You know, I always put

2455
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:15,759
Speaker 1: the consensus board up and go right down the consensus board,

2456
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: so I have a pretty good feel at least the

2457
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: of the of the top in the middle of this

2458
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: running back class. If I had the guest to answer

2459
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: Rio's question, who would be the best player available to

2460
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 1: on Day two or who could be the eventual best player,

2461
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 1: I think it will be a running back.

2462
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 3: Yep.

2463
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of guys that I particularly enjoyed

2464
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: watching that we can get to here in terms of

2465
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: recency bias. But would you would you agree with that

2466
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: it's either going to be a pass rusher it's going

2467
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 1: to be a running back.

2468
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the two best positions in this in this draft.

2469
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 3: Maybe a safety like if mccouba falls, maybe safety.

2470
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: But all right, so let's get to some of the

2471
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 1: running backs here. For the last seven minutes a little

2472
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,320
Speaker 1: bit of recency bias. So I'll just read off my

2473
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 1: top five that I have this pretty pretty locked in

2474
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:03,640
Speaker 1: now if good about it. I went pretty consensus at

2475
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 1: the top Ashton denty one, Lamar and Hampton too. But

2476
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 1: I didn't Hampton's interesting though, like he's I think Hampton

2477
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 1: teams are gonna love him because he's just well rounded

2478
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: and he projects to have a high volume role. I

2479
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't think that he was super dynamic like in the

2480
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,679
Speaker 1: open field, like he's more of like a power back,

2481
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, between the tackles. But there's such a nice

2482
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 1: role projection for him, of of a floor of what

2483
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: he could be. So gent Hampton one two. I had

2484
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson at three and Quinn Shawn Jenkins at four.

2485
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 1: I know you, I.

2486
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 3: Believe at least. Yeah, like it close.

2487
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 1: You flipped those two. A lot of people flip those two.

2488
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 3: It's it's a flavor thing. Like I think Judkins is

2489
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 3: more of like a home run hitter. Henderson's more of

2490
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 3: like a well rounded You're gonna give him more of

2491
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 3: a volume role, I.

2492
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 1: Think, so Judkins, Uh, I think he runs angrier like

2493
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 1: he runs.

2494
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 3: So it was bigger.

2495
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: He runs with a little bit more power and a

2496
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 1: little bit more finish to his game. But the reason

2497
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: why I like Henderson a little bit better is a

2498
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 1: little looser. He moves a little bit smoother. He's a

2499
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: little bit more explosive. If you ask me, I got

2500
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more top end speed. I don't think

2501
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 1: that he's as good. He's probably like you know, we

2502
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 1: always talk about tears like day one version, Day two version,

2503
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,839
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson reminds me a little bit of Jamier Gibbs,

2504
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 1: like I would say Day two Jamier Gibbs. Okay, not

2505
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: quite as good as Gibbs, but in terms of the

2506
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: big playability and the explosiveness both as a pass catcher

2507
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 1: and a running back, you know, as a ballcarrier. That's

2508
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: how he reminds me. I think Judkins is more linear,

2509
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit more of a stiffer athlete

2510
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: that's going to get downhill and run people over with

2511
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 1: speed to power, whereas I think Henderson's loose, like Henderson's

2512
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 1: a I think.

2513
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 3: You're rating underrating judkins agility a little bit. But yeah,

2514
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 3: Henderson's better in that regard, So.

2515
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 1: Gent Hampton Henderson, Judkins so I think that's the clear

2516
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: top four in some order for pretty much everybody.

2517
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 6: Uh.

2518
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 3: I think some Pece people have Caleb Johnson up there.

2519
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 3: There's some people that really like Caleb Johnson.

2520
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 1: So I had Dylan Samson from Tennessee next. I love

2521
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 1: Dylan Samson. I think that guy's a baller. Uh Again,

2522
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: I think you can tell I kind of have a

2523
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 1: type as in the same with receivers he.

2524
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 3: Met with Patriots.

2525
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I like explosive guys. I like guys

2526
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 1: that can cut and go. I like guys that I

2527
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 1: can hit big plays. The difference that I saw was

2528
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 1: Samson and Johnson. I thought Samson was much better between

2529
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: the tackles in terms of, you know, vision and in

2530
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 1: elusiveness and jump cut ability between the tackles. He's one

2531
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 1: of those guys that can snake through the line of

2532
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 1: scrimmage and then the hit the ground running once he

2533
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 1: gets to.

2534
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 3: Day also running into a lot of like five six

2535
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 3: man boxes with Tennessee's offense.

2536
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,440
Speaker 1: That's fair, but I just saw a little bit more

2537
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: of that efficiency. You know, let's get on a track,

2538
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 1: let's jump cut out of attack.

2539
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 3: He's definitely looser.

2540
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 1: With Caleb Johnson, Caleb Johnson, DeMarco Murray two point zero right,

2541
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: like he's he's one of those guys.

2542
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:01,320
Speaker 3: Marco Murray is.

2543
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 1: Off tackle, toss, stretch, runs really high, runs too high probably,

2544
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 1: but like it makes it work. And when you get

2545
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 1: him out into runways and into space, he's he's off

2546
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 1: to the races, right like that's that's his game. He's

2547
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: a zone runner. He's very good at it. But to me,

2548
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 1: what I saw with Caleb Johnson was a lot of

2549
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: runs in space, you know, like you're just tossing it

2550
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: out to him or you're getting him off out on

2551
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 1: the edge. Those guys worry me a little bit just

2552
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 1: projecting to the NFL, because you don't there's a lot

2553
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 1: more condensed space once you get to the league than

2554
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 1: when there is.

2555
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 3: You can't run to the wide hash and get you know,

2556
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 3: outside right.

2557
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Whereas with Samson, I saw a little bit more of

2558
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: that make miss talent in trash like in the middle

2559
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 1: of the field, which I liked a little bit better.

2560
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 1: But I think Caleb Johnson is a good player too.

2561
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 1: I think I texted, so did you have him five?

2562
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Or had I had him six? So I have genty

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01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: Hampton Henderson, Judkins, Samson, in Johnson, lots of names, and

2564
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 1: then I have Devin Neil from Wow. Okay, I'll get

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01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 1: to Scattabo in a second. I know we gotta go

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01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 1: quickly here though.

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01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:11,879
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 1: I really just like Devin Neil's game for the NFL again,

2569
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. Great contact balance, great power behind

2570
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: his pads. Great he's gonna be able to handle a

2571
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 1: high volume between the tackles. He's going to be an

2572
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 1: early down work course for a team in the NFL.

2573
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I just think that he really translates nicely to a

2574
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 1: high volume role. Cam Skataboo. My concern with Cam He's

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01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:36,640
Speaker 1: next Cam Skataboo. My concern with him is kind of

2576
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 1: couple together playing style of shelf life, right, Like is

2577
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 1: he going to be a bowling ball like that at

2578
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 1: the NFL level and be breaking tackles like he was

2579
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 1: doing at the college level. And if he does wear

2580
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 1: contact and have to break tackles like that at the

2581
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: NFL level, Like, how long is that gonna last?

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01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2583
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Like, he can't play like that forever.

2584
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 3: I think he can. I mean, I think he can

2585
01:58:56,680 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 3: be a contributor. I just don't know, like contact decide

2586
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 3: he's kind of maxed out physically. Yeah, because he's an

2587
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 3: older prospect, he's a spellback. I keep going back, like,

2588
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 3: isn't he kind of just a more physical Rex ber

2589
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 3: Khead Because he can catch. That's the most underrated part

2590
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 3: of his game. Like, he can play in the passing game,

2591
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 3: so he's gonna be able to split between that early

2592
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 3: down and passing down role. But he brings an edge.

2593
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 3: I know it's a lazy comp but I think he's

2594
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 3: like a more physical I've compared a bunch of backs

2595
01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:26,360
Speaker 3: in this draft to Rex per Kid, So I just

2596
01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 3: look very very there's a lot of backs in this

2597
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 3: draft that are well rounded, that do everything well.

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01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 1: If you put Skataboo in a vacuum and you just

2599
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:36,560
Speaker 1: say grade this player based off the tape, he would

2600
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:39,240
Speaker 1: be much higher than this on my list. He'd probably be, uh,

2601
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, RB five on this list. I just look

2602
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,680
Speaker 1: at it though when you project it into the NFL, Like,

2603
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 1: what how much shelf life and longevity is he going

2604
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 1: to have playing like that? Is his top end speed

2605
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 1: and all that stuff going to be a factor, Like

2606
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't really get away from anybody.

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01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a spellback that's not a guy that you're

2608
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:02,160
Speaker 3: I just I worry for big explosive runs really quickly.

2609
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Really liked RJ. Harvey from UCF as well. Another one

2610
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:08,000
Speaker 1: kind of similar to Samson, Like you're kind of a

2611
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 1: mid late day two, mid day three Sampson, Right, you know,

2612
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 1: a guy that can really scoot and really make guys miss.

2613
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 3: Good class.

2614
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 1: I had thirteen guys in this class with a higher

2615
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: grade than anybody last year. My highest graded running back

2616
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:27,600
Speaker 1: last year is Blake Krum. I have thirteen guys and

2617
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a good draft, so very good class at running back.

2618
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: So that's a little recency buyas for you on the

2619
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:36,640
Speaker 1: running backs doing tight ends today as well, right now,

2620
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,160
Speaker 1: finishing those guys up. I did like Harold Fan in

2621
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 1: a lot.

2622
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 3: I did like, I don't know how I feel about

2623
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 3: Harrold Fan.

2624
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,760
Speaker 1: Is a weird, weird player, Like he's got you know,

2625
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 1: six three two forty obviously played at Bowling Green. That's Mac.

2626
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 3: That is the Mac.

2627
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he did he had great tape against Penn State,

2628
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:52,360
Speaker 1: so it's not like he just did it.

2629
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, as he reminds me a lot of Johnny Smith. Yeah,

2630
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:57,800
Speaker 3: and I just it's we saw what Johnny Smith did

2631
02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 3: in Josh McDaniel's.

2632
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