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Speaker 1: Good evening, America, Happy Friday, and welcome to this Just

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Speaker 1: the News, Real America's Voice special report Reshaping Government after

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Speaker 1: the Shutdown. I want to thank our partners tonight at

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Speaker 1: the ABAC Association of Mature American Citizens for joining us

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Speaker 1: and making this critical conversation possible. All throughout tonight, shul

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Speaker 1: we'll be taking a deep dive into the ongoing government

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Speaker 1: shutdown now it's in its fourth week, and what will

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Speaker 1: it mean for America's fiscal future with federal services curtailed,

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Speaker 1: thousands of workers fur load, and programs like Snap on

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Speaker 1: the brink. The situation stems from deep partisan divides over

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Speaker 1: spending priorities, and Democrats have just simply shut the government down.

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Speaker 1: But during that moment, Americans are beginning to be educated.

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Speaker 1: They're getting educated that they've been spending tens of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars of subsidies to hide the fact that Obamacare

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Speaker 1: has broken. They're learning that Democrats wanted to pay for

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants to have benefits that we here in America

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Speaker 1: don't always get. It's created an long overdue recognition point

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Speaker 1: for those of us in the American Republican Tonight, we're

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Speaker 1: going to explore our Republicans, when this government shutdown ends,

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Speaker 1: possibly begin fixing things that have long been broken. In

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Speaker 1: this great conversation, I'm joined by a special co host,

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Speaker 1: my good friend, Rebecca Weber, the CEO of our incredible

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Speaker 1: partner Tonight AMAC. Rebecca, this is an extraordinary moment, and

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Speaker 1: I've watched AMAC many times dive in when big moments

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Speaker 1: in history come and get their members to push Congress

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. AMAC members have been talking for years. They've been

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Speaker 2: sounding the alarm. We're in thirty seven trillion dollars of

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Speaker 2: debt that's unsustainable. They're worried about not just their own future,

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Speaker 3: Now we know that.

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Speaker 2: There are some critical services that are in hold, and

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm very excited to speak with our guests.

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Speaker 2: But what we're seeing is a lot of pointing fingers.

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Speaker 2: Many people are saying this is a Shumer shut down.

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Speaker 2: He is refusing to negotiate, and he is prolonging the crisis,

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Speaker 2: And of course the Democrats are blaming conservatives. So it'll

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see how this thing turns out. But John,

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Speaker 2: what's interesting is I'm hearing from people, ordinary Americans, and

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Speaker 2: they're saying, this is a fight that we've got to win.

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Speaker 2: We've got to come out on top. We can't cave.

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Speaker 2: We've got to brain in government spending. And that is

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Speaker 1: I have a funny feeling the incredible grassroots army of

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Speaker 1: AMAC is going to be a major solution and a

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Speaker 4: And I can't wait to watch that emerge.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca, we got some incredible guest day, two members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: both on the House Budget Committee, two great economists. We're

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Speaker 1: I want to get right away to our first guest.

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Speaker 4: All right, folks, time now to get to our first

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Speaker 1: We've got a good one joining us now from the

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Speaker 1: great state of Indiana, Congressman Arlen Stutsman, a member of

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Speaker 4: Congressman, great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, John. Great to see you, Rebecca, appreciate you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fun conversation ahead, all right.

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Speaker 1: You have been a champion a fiscal restraint along before

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Speaker 1: this shutdown. It seems for the first time that Americans

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Speaker 1: shut down for four weeks. Does this give your colleagues

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Speaker 1: the sort of cuts that you've always dreamed of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know, John, it's incredible. Really, as I talked

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not affecting me.

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Speaker 5: Of course. You know, SBA loans are sitting on a

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Speaker 5: So those are definitely needed.

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Speaker 7: But you know, we're really two days away now from

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Speaker 7: you know, the calculation that they're making here, this is

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Speaker 7: I mean the big cities are going to be affected,

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Speaker 7: but they've been willing to say it out loud. Is

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Speaker 5: It's just crazy, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Would you support any sort of short term measure to

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, that's a great question because in Indiana

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Speaker 7: the Democrats are doing this all or nothing strategy, and

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Speaker 5: Going to need these need the assistance.

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Speaker 7: But I do think it also gives all of us

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been looking at things. You have a

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Speaker 5: Progress, absolutely, you know.

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Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of programs right now in

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Speaker 7: You know, when you start subsidizing certain parts of an industry,

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Speaker 5: But I think that this is a time free efficiencies.

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Speaker 7: I look at things as thirty seven trillion dollars of debt.

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Speaker 7: We've got to cut spending. And so whether it's a USDA,

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think more and more Americans are vocalizing

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Speaker 2: I think it's important that we get the truth out

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Speaker 7: We passed a clean cr which is an extension of

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Speaker 5: That's what this feels like.

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Speaker 7: And so I think the Democrats are losing because the

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Speaker 7: And so I think that as that continues to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the President giving us trillions of dollars

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Speaker 1: potential economic growth engine. Congressman, as always, it's a great

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Speaker 1: lucky to have you. Thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 5: Great to be with you both.

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Speaker 6: Be on the show as always, and I was great

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like and you and I

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Speaker 1: had this conversation a couple of weeks ago when this

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Speaker 6: You know, because I get calls all the time from

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Speaker 2: Congressman Growthman, The people that I'm hearing from are saying,

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Speaker 6: Overwhelmingly, when I go back home, and I'll be flying

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Speaker 6: I hear the shutdown doesn't bother me quite frankly. You can,

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Speaker 6: you know, keep the government closed for good now. Of course,

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Speaker 6: my district does not have a huge number of federal

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we see the pressure that Congress is under

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Speaker 2: really to include these extensions of Obamacare subsidies that comes

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Speaker 2: They're saying they want these this rising this four hundred

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Speaker 6: It's problem. You know, You've got to remember right now,

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Speaker 6: I mean, can you imagine your own life whenever you

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Speaker 6: I mean, that'd be ridiculous. But that's where we are

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Speaker 6: dollars a year propping up the poorly designed Obamacare situation. Okay,

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Speaker 6: and I know that's one of the many things the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask you about Obamacare. Mike Johnson

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Speaker 1: by paying off the insurance companies with tax dollars. Can

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Speaker 6: Well, obviously Obamacare is too generous of a giveaway to people,

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Speaker 6: and including a giveaway to relatively high income people. Right

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Speaker 6: there are people benefiting from Obamacare are making three hundred

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Speaker 6: any event, we're going to have to look at all

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Speaker 6: health related programs. Right I don't care that you're Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare.

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Speaker 6: The cost of health care continues to wildly outstrip inflation.

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Speaker 6: I think we have to make better use of preferred providers.

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Speaker 6: is signing off for paying some attention as doctors order

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Speaker 6: more drugs, more tests. I think I myself can tell

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Speaker 6: they make. You know, I think a lot of these

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Speaker 6: big conglomerates they encourage people to go to specialists right

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Speaker 6: away because that's where the money is. We have to

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Speaker 6: That's another thing that's costing us more money. But it's

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Speaker 6: something that's just going to it's eating up small business.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: You find it's not unusual at all of the fine

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Speaker 6: health insurance. That's a disaster for business for American businesses.

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Speaker 6: But we also have the huge costs of Medicaid and

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Speaker 6: the cost of Obamacare. If that's the insurance company. Utilization

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Speaker 6: varies from state to state, from doctor to doctor. You

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Speaker 6: look at the additional cost of a C section, and

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Speaker 6: the number of c sections ordered varies dramatically from hospital

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Speaker 6: perhaps some hospitals are doing more than they should be doing,

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Speaker 6: just because the more you do, the more you make.

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Speaker 6: Those are things that are going to have to be

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Speaker 6: looked at. But you're absolutely right, Obamacare was poorly designed.

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Speaker 6: It comes to a head right now the Democrats who

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Speaker 6: this was a problem because they did not put money

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Speaker 6: in to hold down the premiums past January first to

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Speaker 6: they're saying, well, let's kick it another thirty four billion

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Speaker 6: we just don't have it. I can't emphasize enough. We

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Speaker 6: further in depth, think how bad that's going to be.

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Speaker 2: That's a really important point. Yeah, and so many Republicans

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Speaker 2: How do you view Schumer's unwillingness to bring forward serious

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Speaker 6: What we have to do is we have to get

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Speaker 6: some of the other Democrat senators to say, look, I

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Speaker 6: the government open. Part of the problem I think in

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Speaker 6: the Senate is they only run for election every six years.

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Speaker 6: I wish I didn't run every six years, but let's

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Speaker 6: five years, right, And I think that's part of what's

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Speaker 4: An awakening moment.

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Speaker 1: I think for the American people, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: And I know, sir you're on the front lines of

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Speaker 6: Sure, very good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what a great conversation. As always, all right, folks,

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Speaker 1: EJ and Tony, chief economists at the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 4: EJ. Great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Great to be here.

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I think we look at this extraordinary moment. We've been

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Speaker 1: shut down nearly a month now, and people realize there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that we were probably paying for

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Speaker 1: in government.

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Speaker 4: We don't need.

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Speaker 1: And when it reopens, do you think Republicans the president

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Speaker 1: are aligned to do something start maybe really take that

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Speaker 1: bite out of government we've been waiting for.

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Speaker 9: I think so. And part of that now is going

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Speaker 9: to determine, or part of that is determined by I

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Speaker 9: should say, how long the shutdown lasts. And there are

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Speaker 9: different things. For example, once you get beyond that sixty

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Speaker 9: day window, it really opens up a lot of possibilities

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Speaker 9: for the administration to do things like reduce headcount, for example.

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Speaker 9: So depending on how long the shutdown lasts, I think

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Speaker 9: will actually help determine how much progress the administration can make.

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Speaker 9: But whatever the case, and to your point, every day

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Speaker 9: that goes on makes it clearer just how much of

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Speaker 9: this government is non essential, is not actually doing anything

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Speaker 9: to help the average American. In fact, unfortunately, more often

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Speaker 9: than not, it's exactly the opposite. We see the government

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Speaker 9: doing things like regulation that are hurting the average American

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Speaker 9: much more than helping.

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Speaker 3: All that.

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Speaker 9: To say, again, the longer the shutdown goes on, I

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Speaker 9: think the clearer it becomes, more and more of the

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Speaker 9: government needs to be cut and more important, certainly, the

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Speaker 9: more political capital is generated to do so. So I

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Speaker 9: think that's definitely all a step in the right direction. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: it's not good from the standpoint of folks like our

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Speaker 9: servicemen and women not getting paid. You know, that's certainly terrible.

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Speaker 9: So by all means, we want to see it resolved

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Speaker 9: as quickly as possible, and we want to see those

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Speaker 9: kinds of essential services returned. But the bloat and the

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Speaker 9: bureaucracy that does not need to come.

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Speaker 10: Back, Eja.

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Speaker 2: From your perspective at the Heritage Foundation, does a shutdown

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Speaker 2: like this accelerate the national debt? Problem or complicate Congress's

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Speaker 2: real efforts to bring spending under control.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question.

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Speaker 4: In terms of the cost.

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Speaker 9: There definitely seems to be an economic cost. However, again,

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Speaker 9: this is in large part, I think, determined by how

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Speaker 9: long the shutdown goes on for. So if the shutdown

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Speaker 9: goes on long enough that it opens up new avenues,

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Speaker 9: new opportunities for the administration to cut a lot of

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Speaker 9: government jobs and cut through a lot of that red tape,

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Speaker 9: you may end up seeing a lot of cost savings

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Speaker 9: in the long run. But in the short term, all

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Speaker 9: the different disruptions that can happen, and some of which

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Speaker 9: have happened, that certainly does impose a cost on the economy.

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Speaker 9: In the grand scheme of things, though, when we look

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Speaker 9: at something like the national debt, it is so large,

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Speaker 9: and what we're talking about right now is so relatively small,

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Speaker 9: I don't think there's really going to be much of

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Speaker 9: an impact. Certainly not anything that's significant.

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Speaker 4: Ja let me ask you about this.

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Speaker 1: You've made some projections that twenty twenty six could get

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Speaker 1: us to a four percent growth of the American economy.

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Speaker 1: I was just talking a bunch of small business leaders

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Speaker 1: and small bediz owners.

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Speaker 4: They are really bullish on next year.

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Speaker 1: What is that optimism flowing from after all the four

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Speaker 1: or five years of inflation that we've been through.

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Speaker 9: Well a couple of things, one of which is the

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Speaker 9: fact that the inflation that we have today is no

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Speaker 9: near what we went through what you just said, the

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Speaker 9: last four or five years, So that's very optimistic. It's

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Speaker 9: going to create a lot more stability in markets. It

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Speaker 9: makes it easier for small businesses to plan, for example.

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Speaker 9: It also makes it easier to save and invest because

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Speaker 9: the money that you're saving is not just sitting there

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Speaker 9: losing value, it's retaining more of its value. So that's

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Speaker 9: all tremendously positive. But more recently we've also seen tax

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Speaker 9: and regulatory work reform. I should say that is going

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Speaker 9: to be extremely bullish for next year. The return of

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Speaker 9: full expensing is a huge provision. I think we've already

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Speaker 9: seen some of the uptick and investment because of that,

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Speaker 9: you should see even more next year. That's going to

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Speaker 9: add to the growth outlook. And then on the on

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Speaker 9: the consumer side, the fact that you're getting so much

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Speaker 9: regulatory reform in as well is going to help bring

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Speaker 9: down costs for different consumer items. So again, very very

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Speaker 9: positive on the regulatory and the tax front.

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Speaker 2: And then as we look ahead, if Congress doesn't adopt

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Speaker 2: major debt reduction reforms and say the next one to

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Speaker 2: two years, what scenarios do you think that we could

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Speaker 2: be exposed to, for example, higher interest rates, inflation, spillovers,

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Speaker 2: credit downgrades. How can American people, how can the American

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Speaker 2: public really prepare?

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Speaker 9: Oh goodness, I mean really, the best way to prepare is,

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Speaker 9: I think to try to prevent, right, you know the

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Speaker 9: old saying an ounce of prevention is worth a pound

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Speaker 9: of cure. We should be exerting as much political pressure

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Speaker 9: as possible on our elected representatives to get them to

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Speaker 9: cut spending. That really is the problem. And it's not

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Speaker 9: that when we don't have high enough taxes, Trust me,

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Speaker 9: our taxes are plenty high enough on all income groups.

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Speaker 9: The fact is, though, that despite the fact that tax

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Speaker 9: revenues are at or near a record high by any measure,

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Speaker 9: you're just spend so much more money than you're taking in.

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Speaker 9: In other words, spending is growing so much faster than

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Speaker 9: the increase in tax revenue that you're continuing to have

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Speaker 9: this deficit problem. What does that look like? Well, if

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Speaker 9: the government is barring a lot of money, then that's

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Speaker 9: money that is not available to lend to the private sector.

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Speaker 9: So in addition to the different things that you mentioned,

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Speaker 9: like potential debt down grades, like higher interest rates, you're

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Speaker 9: also just looking at the fact that you're going to

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Speaker 9: have slower economic growth as you move resources away from

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Speaker 9: the productive private sector and you move them towards the

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Speaker 9: unproductive public sector. That creates inefficiencies, and that results in

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Speaker 9: slower economic growth, which means that the situation is going

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Speaker 9: to be worth worse for everybody, whether you're talking low

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Speaker 9: income individuals, high income individuals. So it looks like less

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Speaker 9: economic growth, it looks like higher interest rates, and it

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Speaker 9: looks like higher inflation rates if we don't get spending

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Speaker 9: under control. I mean, really, just look back at the

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Speaker 9: last four years under Biden and ask yourself, do you

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Speaker 9: want to go through all of that again? That's that's

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Speaker 9: what we went through, and you're going to go through

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Speaker 9: exactly the same thing if you don't continue getting spending down.

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Speaker 4: He did.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the debate we've had during the shutdown,

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Speaker 1: I think for the first time Americans got a healthy

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Speaker 1: education about what really went on with Obamacare that it

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Speaker 1: actually brought me ums way up. And the only way

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Speaker 1: we've been hiding it for the American people is to

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Speaker 1: put tens of billions of dollars of subsidency insurance companies

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Speaker 1: to encourage them to lower the cost to us temporarily,

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Speaker 1: but it never really worked.

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Speaker 4: Mike Johnson came on the show a couple weeks here.

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Speaker 1: I said in December, we're going to revamp Obamacare in

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Speaker 1: a big way. It's going to be a massive change.

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Speaker 1: We're going to fix what's there and should benefit manager

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Speaker 1: or to me, pharmacy benefit managers and others getting fixed.

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Speaker 4: Is this a.

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Speaker 1: Historic moment for the American people to learn what happened

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Speaker 1: with Obamacare and to fix it for the good?

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Speaker 9: Oh, certainly, and the American people really do need to

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Speaker 9: learn everything that happened. One of the people who was

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Speaker 9: responsible for Obamacare and also help to get it past,

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Speaker 9: Jonathan Gruber. He actually said in an interview that has

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Speaker 9: since become public that they relied on the ignorance of

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Speaker 9: the American people to get the law passed. In other words,

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Speaker 9: he was saying, if the American people actually knew what

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Speaker 9: was really in Obamacare, there's no way anyone would have

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Speaker 9: gone for it, and so they had to rely on

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Speaker 9: As Nancy Pelosi said, you know, we have to pass

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Speaker 9: the bill to find out what's in it. Right, As

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Speaker 9: she infamously said, I mean, it's appalling, but these are.

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Speaker 3: The kinds of things that happened.

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Speaker 9: Now in terms of reforms, I think the different ideas

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Speaker 9: that are getting bannered about right now on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 9: are definitely good. I would also really like to see

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Speaker 9: the return of catastrophic plans. In other words, very basic

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Speaker 9: things are not covered. The things that are covered are

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Speaker 9: the big catastrophic events. In other words, you would make

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Speaker 9: health insurance look like what it used to. You would

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Speaker 9: make health insurance look like car insurance. You know, your

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Speaker 9: car insurance doesn't cover things like getting your oil changed.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't things like getting your tires rotated, replacing wiper blades,

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Speaker 9: things that are just regular maintenance items. But that's what

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Speaker 9: we expect health insurance to do today. We try to

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Speaker 9: make health insurance cover everything from your annual checkup to

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Speaker 9: some over the counter medicines. I mean, it's crazy because

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Speaker 9: every time you make health insurance cover one more thing, yes,

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Speaker 9: you're getting an additional benefit, but the cost of that

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Speaker 9: benefit just gets passed right onto the to the consumer

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Speaker 9: in the form of a higher healthcare premium. So the

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Speaker 9: consumer doesn't actually pay pay any less in total, you're

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Speaker 9: just paying in a different way. But on top of that,

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Speaker 9: now you've added in middleman costs from the insurance company,

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Speaker 9: and so that the consumer ends up actually paying slightly

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Speaker 9: more for their healthcare coverage. And because of all the

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Speaker 9: different regulations and everything that have been piled on because

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Speaker 9: of Obamacare, everything has gotten grossly more expensive. It turns

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Speaker 9: out everything Obama told us was a complete lie when

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Speaker 9: he said, if you like your healthcare plan, you can

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Speaker 9: keep your healthcare plan. No, you couldn't. Obamacare made a

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Speaker 9: lot of those healthcare plans illegal. He said, if you

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Speaker 9: like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 9: It forced a lot of doctors out of business, and

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Speaker 9: it forced a lot of doctors to no longer take

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Speaker 9: most insurance. And so when we're talking about reforms again,

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Speaker 9: I like a lot of the ideas that are being

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Speaker 9: talked about right now, but my favorite idea would still

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Speaker 9: be just full repeal of the entire ACA.

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Speaker 1: Well, history is going to show us what happens in December.

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson was pretty clear on the show he's getting

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Speaker 1: it done. So we'll see what happens. Ej Antoni, chief

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Speaker 1: you on the show. Thank thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Oh all right, thank you for having me. Yeah, great,

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Speaker 4: great honor. All right, folks.

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Speaker 1: She's the AMAC CEO, Rebecca Weber, and it's time now

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Speaker 1: to bring in Tim dosher executive director at Unleash Prosperity.

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Speaker 1: We're going to learn a little bit about what the

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Speaker 1: economic benefits of shrinking government can do.

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Speaker 4: Tim. Great to have you on.

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Speaker 3: Great to be here, John, Rebecca, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: We love what you and Steve Moore and all the

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Speaker 1: other good folks that unleashed prosperity do because you're educating

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Speaker 1: us day in and day out. Less government translates into

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Speaker 1: more sparity, doesn't it.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, this is really the sign of our times

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Speaker 11: as the national debt grows to thirty eight trillion dollars

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Speaker 11: and people around the country are seeing the shutdown and saying,

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Speaker 11: what the hell are we getting for all of this

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Speaker 11: money that we're sending to Washington, DC and they're squandering. So, yeah,

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Speaker 11: this is a big issue. It's the issue of our

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Speaker 11: times and our future.

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Speaker 2: Jim, from your perspective, is this shutdown? Do you see

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Speaker 2: it as a short term political standoff or do you

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Speaker 2: think it really reflects a much deeper issue with Washington's

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Speaker 2: unwillingness to rain in federal spending.

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Speaker 11: I think it's a I think it's mostly political. I

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Speaker 11: think it's a bunch of losers trying to get some

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Speaker 11: ground to stand on. And by losers, I mean people

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Speaker 11: on the left and the Democrat Party are choosing to

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Speaker 11: take a bill they've voted for many times and sit

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Speaker 11: on it and say we want actually something else, something massive,

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Speaker 11: something that would completely undo the one big, beautiful bill

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Speaker 11: which was democratically through the right process, through all the

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Speaker 11: proper channels. They're holding us hostage so they could basically

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Speaker 11: nullify everything that the Republicans did. So, yeah, of course,

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Speaker 11: this is how desperate they are for an issue. And

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Speaker 11: I agree that this is absolutely going to end after

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Speaker 11: the election, because after the election, maybe they win, maybe

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Speaker 11: they win the governor's race in New Jersey, maybe they

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Speaker 11: win the governor's race in Virginia, and then that's their

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Speaker 11: off ramp to this.

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Speaker 3: They're looking for an off ramp.

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Speaker 11: They need something to get out of this because they

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Speaker 2: And the critics they warned that the shutdowns are hurting

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Speaker 2: everyday Americans, federal workers, veterans, and so on. The defenders

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Speaker 2: are arguing that it proves exactly what you've said that

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Speaker 2: much of Washington is bloated and non essential from a

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Speaker 2: free market perspective. Do you see this shutdown as more

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Speaker 2: of a danger or is this an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it's an opportunity.

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Speaker 11: I mean, think about I just you know, I think

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Speaker 11: because we talk about all the people who are being

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Speaker 11: affected by this, and we should that's absolutely important, and

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Speaker 11: that's been one of the main talking points that the

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Speaker 11: right has been saying. But that is exactly what I've

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Speaker 11: seen come of. This is the unification that's happening on

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Speaker 11: the right to dig their feed in, stand on the

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Speaker 11: moral high ground.

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Speaker 3: That they have.

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Speaker 11: They're not asking for anything more than just continuing the

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Speaker 11: garbage that's been happening in this country. They're not asking

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Speaker 11: for cuts, they're not asking for anything. They're simply standing

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Speaker 11: on the moral high ground. And so it's been remarkable

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Speaker 11: to see so many confident people on the right stand

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Speaker 11: up and say we're not going to, you know, be

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Speaker 11: held hostage here and pay these you know, these hostage

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Speaker 11: takers are ransom.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to do that.

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Speaker 11: And they've held strong and it's working because we see

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Speaker 11: President Trump's popularity really isn't fait and we see that

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Speaker 11: Congress's popularity is not really fading either, and that's exactly.

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Speaker 3: What the left was hoping for.

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Speaker 11: So, you know, look, I do see this as a

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Speaker 11: as a tough situation, but I also see it as

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Speaker 11: a unifying factor throughout the right, and I think if

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Speaker 11: we keep our heels dug in, we will be the

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Speaker 11: victors out of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's unlike Republicans in the past, which often doug

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Speaker 1: wils out pretty quickly. Yes, they fall right, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: different group. It's really interesting. All right, I want to

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Speaker 1: play this out down the road. The government finally reopens

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Speaker 1: after the election, Republicans have an opportunity to go in

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Speaker 1: and start surgically removing all of this waste. Tell us

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Speaker 1: where you think they should start. Give us a roadmap

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Speaker 1: of the best cutting that could occur that would make

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Speaker 1: Americans happy.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, we do want to cut. We want to

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Speaker 11: cut so much. Let me just let me just put

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Speaker 11: this in in as easy a framework, John, as I

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Speaker 11: possibly can. Most of the damage that we see in

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Speaker 11: this government is because we're held to old standards and

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Speaker 11: old routines that perpetuate big, bloated government. And so one

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Speaker 11: of the biggest examples of that, and we saw this

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Speaker 11: in the One Big Beautiful Bill debate, was the CBO

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Speaker 11: and the JTC Joint Taxation Committee that have these archaic

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Speaker 11: rules that say you can't score things dynamically, you have

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Speaker 11: to score things statically. And what that means is is

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Speaker 11: you can't officially say, hey, we want to pass tax

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Speaker 11: cuts and we believe it's going to cost this much money,

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Speaker 11: but then it's also going to grow the economy by

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Speaker 11: this much, so it actually isn't going to cost money

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Speaker 11: because the growth is actually going to far outweigh.

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Speaker 3: What we spend on it. We're not allowed to do

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Speaker 3: that right now.

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Speaker 11: What we have to say currently is if we're going

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Speaker 11: to cut taxes by a trillion dollars, that's going to

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Speaker 11: be a trillion dollars that we need to make up for,

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Speaker 11: and therefore it nullifies every possible thing that we could

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Speaker 11: do in order to across make across the finish line.

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Speaker 11: And so John, I think one of the biggest things

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Speaker 11: is that I think that the Republicans have once they

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Speaker 11: get through this, I think they have the high ground

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Speaker 11: right now to go in and start making the case

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Speaker 11: in Congress. Hey, we have the majorities. We want to

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Speaker 11: start scoring dynamically. We don't want to do the static

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Speaker 11: scoring anymore. We have the ability, we have the technology,

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Speaker 11: we have all of the things that we can see

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Speaker 11: to forecast the dynamic score, and therefore that would help

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Speaker 11: pass spending cuts and it would pass tax relief at

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Speaker 11: a giant level. I think that's a big one.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, And I'm curious if these temporary subsidies are

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Speaker 2: allowed to become permanent, these Obamacare subsidies right come up

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Speaker 2: this huge price tag. What kind of precedent do you

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Speaker 2: think that could set for future crises? Do we think,

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Speaker 2: you know, that we could turn every temporary measure into

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Speaker 2: a permanent expansion of government.

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Speaker 11: Of course, I mean, never let a crisis go to waste,

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Speaker 11: is what Ram and Manuel said in Barack Obama's administration,

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Speaker 11: and they've been operating like that ever since. I mean,

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Speaker 11: don't think for a second that Chuck Schumer didn't see

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Speaker 11: the upside in passing the current cr you know, you

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Speaker 11: know multiple times before now. No, they saw upside to it.

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Speaker 11: They saw the ability to keep their hooks into into,

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Speaker 11: But it's only when you start to threaten that. It's

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Speaker 11: only when you start to say, hey, look, these substats

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Speaker 11: are going away. We're going to cut this because COVID's

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Speaker 11: over and we no longer need it. Number one and

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Speaker 11: number two, we're tired of enriching insurance companies. Insurance companies,

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Speaker 11: they're not lowering costs. Healthcare continues to rise. They're not

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Speaker 11: lowering costs, So what the hell are we subsidizing all

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Speaker 11: this for?

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Speaker 3: What do these stand for?

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Speaker 11: And really what it is is it's the lefts paying

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Speaker 11: off their base, They're paying off their donors.

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Speaker 3: They want to continue using that.

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Speaker 11: So they're using this as their their you know, their crisis,

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Speaker 11: and they're not letting it go to At this point. However,

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Speaker 11: I think that the because of the unification, like I

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Speaker 11: that the American people are actually getting a very good

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Speaker 11: lesson in how the swamp has become so deep, so mired,

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Speaker 11: and so thick here in Washington.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that it is. That's what this shutdown has really done.

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Speaker 1: It's given us a great civics lesson about how this

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Speaker 1: listen got so out of whack.

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Speaker 4: It's been amazing.

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Speaker 1: The notional executive director and Atolice Prosperity. Always great to

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Speaker 1: having your show. Thanks for doing it, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, always fun to have him on. All right, folks,

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Speaker 1: back back we wrap things up. Welcome back in America

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Speaker 1: to this final segment of our special reports. And we've

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Speaker 1: been talking all about the government shutdown and whether Republicans

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Speaker 1: can turn this crisis into a catalyst for real reform.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now for some final thoughts has been my

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Speaker 1: incredible co host Tonight AMAX CEO Rebecca Weber, who's great

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Speaker 1: organization makes these conversations possible. Rebecca, I felt like we

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Speaker 1: got some big news out of this today. Several members

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Speaker 1: of the House Budget Committee telling us, Hey, when we

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Speaker 1: get back from the shutdown, Obamacare is going to be

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Speaker 1: substantially revamped, kind of consistent with what the speaker told

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Speaker 1: me last week. It seems like there's a little history

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Speaker 1: right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Obamacare is bad. It was bad when it was

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Speaker 2: first conjured up. I spoke with people back in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and nine. They said this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a terrible mistake. We're going to ruin what I always

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Speaker 2: looked at as the greatest healthcare system in the world,

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Speaker 2: with innovation and doctors that were incentivized to treat their patients. Today, John,

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Speaker 2: so many people have personal stories about how Obamacare has

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Speaker 2: hurt them. So AMAC members are pushing for a full repeal,

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Speaker 2: get rid of it, you know, toss it out. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't work. But you know, what I found really interesting

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Speaker 2: in speaking with our guests was when Congressman Growthman said

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Speaker 2: that his constituents are saying, there's a government shut down

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Speaker 2: or and or let's not cave. You know, the majority

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Speaker 2: of American people, they understand that thirty seven trillion dollars

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Speaker 2: of debt is not sustainable, and so they're pushing, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're elected representatives to stand strong and not cave to

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Speaker 2: this Schumer's demands. Now, now, AMAC and our coalition partners, John,

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Speaker 2: we are urging Congress not to cave to the demand

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Speaker 2: to extend these temporary ACA subsidies. They were meant to

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Speaker 2: be temporary, and again they carry a four hundred billion

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Speaker 2: price tag. They were meant to expire when the COVID

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Speaker 2: emergency did. Democrats, they are using this opportunity to to

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Speaker 2: really ultimately what it's doing, John, is hurting the average

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Speaker 2: hardworking American American person out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you used to in the conversations

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Speaker 1: I think we might be in a political version of

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Speaker 2: They really do. I mean, at the heart of AMAC

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Speaker 2: going to keep holding leaders accountable. We're going to unpack

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Speaker 2: But it was just wonderful to hear, really from so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought when you were talking about Obama, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's something that's really important. A lot of Americans don't

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Speaker 1: They're going to insurers who are big Democratic donors. So

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Speaker 1: I think that was really a big education moment that

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Speaker 1: have that conversation. As always, every time you come on, Rebecca,

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Speaker 4: We learn a lot on the journey.

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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, I want to thank Rebecca first for

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Speaker 7: Yeah,