WEBVTT - Part Two: The Fight Against the Mountain Valley Pipeline

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media, cool people who did cool stuff as

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<v Speaker 1>their new jingle. I hope it's not. I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>never do it again. I'm your rest, Margaret Kiljoy. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part two of a two parter about the fight

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<v Speaker 1>against the Mountain Valley pipeline. And as you've probably noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a different format than usual. Usually I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to a guest, and this time I talked just to

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<v Speaker 1>you into the microphone. Do you know what I did

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<v Speaker 1>during the break between part one and part two? You

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<v Speaker 1>had to wait two days, but I just recorded part

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<v Speaker 1>one and then stopped and went and refilled my water

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<v Speaker 1>bottle and looked out the window at my dog that's

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping in the yard in the sun. His little chest

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<v Speaker 1>moves up and down. It's very nice, it's very relaxing.

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<v Speaker 1>Highly recommend pets good for anxiety. I think there might

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<v Speaker 1>be anxiety sponges, though, because I think that our pets

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<v Speaker 1>end up very anxious instead of us. But uh, he

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<v Speaker 1>seems to I don't know. I'm telling you this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part two. I already said all that. Our producers,

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<v Speaker 1>well Sophie and Ian, and our audio engineers Rory Hi Rory,

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<v Speaker 1>and our theme music was written for by unwoman, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the fight to stop the Mountain Valley pipeline,

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<v Speaker 1>which well it lost, but we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it that and how in some ways it actually accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>an awful lot because I think that it's cool people

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<v Speaker 1>who did cool stuff. You probably noticed that. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to go back to my script now. As soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the construction started, the pollution started. While people claim

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<v Speaker 1>that natural gas is the cleaner alternative to coal, West

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia residents post photos of polluted creeks in their own yards.

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<v Speaker 1>More CITs started popping up, often on private land. Often

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<v Speaker 1>property owners themselves were resisting on their own property. Other

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<v Speaker 1>times property owners were just kind of not telling protesters

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<v Speaker 1>to leave. Cynical accounts will accuse property owners of nimbiism

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<v Speaker 1>or of just fighting for property rights in some individualist way.

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<v Speaker 1>But I suspect that for most of these people it

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<v Speaker 1>went way deeper than that. They were fighting for the

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<v Speaker 1>little scraps of forest and stream and mountain that they

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<v Speaker 1>were personally caretaking and often had been for generations. Becky

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<v Speaker 1>Crabtree a grandmother, a high school teacher, and later a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two Democratic House of delegates candidate in West

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia drove her own seventy one Pinto to block pipeline

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<v Speaker 1>trenching on her own property and change herself to her

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<v Speaker 1>car in the summer of twenty eighteen, after she'd been

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<v Speaker 1>working within the system to fight the pipeline for years.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our home was painted across the car. She

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<v Speaker 1>told Vice News quote, I can't just teach my students

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<v Speaker 1>about climate change and have them fill out a sentence

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<v Speaker 1>about fossil fuel energy and its negative impact. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what the impacts are. I have to live this. The

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<v Speaker 1>cop who arrested her she'd taught him in third grade.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a fight that is local, national, and international

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<v Speaker 1>all at once. By the summer of twenty eighteen, people

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<v Speaker 1>started locking themselves directly to construction equipment. If you ever

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<v Speaker 1>want to get pedantic about something fun, that's what everyone

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<v Speaker 1>does for fun. Right, You come up with a new

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<v Speaker 1>topic to obsessively research every week. That's like normal, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm normal. Okay, you can spend your time learning about

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<v Speaker 1>lock boxes. Lock Boxes are basically things that you can

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<v Speaker 1>lock yourself to in order to do nonviolent direct action.

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<v Speaker 1>They make yourself harder to move. Usually, lock boxes are

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<v Speaker 1>built around a steel pipe with a little length of

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<v Speaker 1>rebar welded inside. You stick your arms into the pipe

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<v Speaker 1>and clip yourself into the rebar with a carabiner that

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<v Speaker 1>has chained your wrist. These pipes can be embedded into

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of things. A barrel full of cement is

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<v Speaker 1>a classic example. All the different styles of devices have

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<v Speaker 1>their own cute names, like the black Bear, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>one name that cops have picked up on and use

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<v Speaker 1>as shorthand for every single lock box, probably because it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds vaguely menacing, the sleeping dragon. Cops have to know

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<v Speaker 1>that not every lock box is a sleeping dragon. But

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<v Speaker 1>I sat in court as cops called every lock box

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<v Speaker 1>a sleeping dragon. A sleeping dragon is real cool, though

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<v Speaker 1>essentially it's a lock box buried in the ground and

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<v Speaker 1>disguised like it's a pipe with rebar embedded into cement

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<v Speaker 1>and then buried into the ground. They're cool because they

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<v Speaker 1>can be built and set up any time, ready to

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<v Speaker 1>deploy almost undetectable. People absolutely use sleeping dragons as part

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<v Speaker 1>of this fight, but not every damn lock pox is

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<v Speaker 1>a sleeping dragon. In twenty eighteen, people started locking themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to things Some people even started locking down inside the

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<v Speaker 1>boreholes that were waiting for the pipes. Most of these

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<v Speaker 1>lockdowns last in the hours, not in the days, but

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<v Speaker 1>they can significantly inflate costs for the pipeline construction company,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course by valuable time while people fight in

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<v Speaker 1>the courts. There are also dramatic photo ops which I

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<v Speaker 1>actually don't say cynically but earnestly. It's really important that

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<v Speaker 1>people realize that grandmas and young hippies and punks are

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<v Speaker 1>locking themselves to equipment. It's perfectly legal to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a tree sit on your own property, of course, and

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<v Speaker 1>so many people did as much. The state, though, started

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<v Speaker 1>serving injunctions against property owners to come on down from there. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I can tell, none of the actions

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<v Speaker 1>were centrally planned and organized, merely that they were coordinated

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<v Speaker 1>by disparate groups and people. I would quickly run out

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<v Speaker 1>of space, well time space in my document that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>writing the script in, but time and reading whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>would quickly run out of space time if I listed

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<v Speaker 1>every organization that had some hand in the campaign to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the pipeline, and there are a ton of civil

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<v Speaker 1>suits against protesters and organizations that are ongoing, so I

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<v Speaker 1>probably wouldn't list these organizations anyway. Peter's Mountain saw the

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<v Speaker 1>first flurry of activity, but soon a new site of

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<v Speaker 1>resistance popped up further into Virginia Poor Mountain, the Yellowfinch Sits.

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<v Speaker 1>On September nineteenth, twenty eighteen, two sits went up fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five and sixty feet in the air, this time still

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<v Speaker 1>on a steep chunk of land. One sit was in

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<v Speaker 1>a chestnut oak. The other wasn't a pine until it

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<v Speaker 1>too was moved to an oak. These sits were on

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<v Speaker 1>private property, blocking the way of the pipeline. The owner

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<v Speaker 1>never asked the protesters to leave, nor did the owner

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<v Speaker 1>tell them to be there. These sits were supported by

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<v Speaker 1>a large, diverse direct action camp on the ground. Most

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who was interested could come out simply by filling

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<v Speaker 1>out an intake form. One of the major advantages of

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<v Speaker 1>nonviolent direct action is that it's a sort of above

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<v Speaker 1>ground criminality. One of the disadvantages of nonviolent direct action

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<v Speaker 1>is that at least three times in this script, I've

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally written it as nonviolent direction action, where I just

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<v Speaker 1>took the word direct and action and stuck them together.

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<v Speaker 1>But you didn't need to know that. I didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you that the supporters of the tree set

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<v Speaker 1>not of my bad spelling. The supporters of the tree

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<v Speaker 1>st camping on private land weren't committing a crime. But

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<v Speaker 1>many of the people involved in the direct action were

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of various offenses throughout the years. Yet, while the

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<v Speaker 1>camps and movements had to maintain some level of security

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<v Speaker 1>and develop a security culture, they were still able to

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<v Speaker 1>be open enough to bring new people into the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's like something I'll go on about all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>is that we need to get better at bringing people

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<v Speaker 1>into the movement. And I think that this above ground criminality,

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<v Speaker 1>non violent direct action, it's a very effective way of

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. This is one of the biggest advantages of

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<v Speaker 1>this style of campaign. It's radical enough to genuinely threaten

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<v Speaker 1>the powers that be, yet approachable enough to build a

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<v Speaker 1>large movement and help people begin to learn that they

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<v Speaker 1>too can challenge power. There's no roster of how many

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<v Speaker 1>people supported this movement because there was never any central organization.

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<v Speaker 1>All I can say for anything like certain is that

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere around one hundred and twenty five people were arrested

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<v Speaker 1>in total, Over the course of the campaign, Soon the state,

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<v Speaker 1>getting desperate, started throwing terrorism charges around. The first tear

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<v Speaker 1>charges were against people who locked themselves to an MVP

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter while it was on the ground. The helicopter was

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<v Speaker 1>being used to buzz and harass the sits, so people

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<v Speaker 1>locked themselves to it. After those people caught terrorism charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than a week later, other supporters locked themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>a welding sled. This is a welding sled as a

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<v Speaker 1>construction device without its own locomotion. It's like dragged around

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<v Speaker 1>by another vehicle. People kept getting this bogus joy riding

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<v Speaker 1>felony charge for being attached to vehicles. So in this

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<v Speaker 1>case because somehow it's like misappropriating the vehicle whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bullshit. So in this case they attached to a

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<v Speaker 1>non vehicle, the welding sled with a banner that read

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<v Speaker 1>MVP are the real terrorists. The people who locked themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to a welding sled got terrorism charges too. The terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>charges didn't stick overall. The state didn't really get too

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<v Speaker 1>many heavy charges to stick to anyone in this campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't expect their charges to stick. As best

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, they overcharged protesters on purpose for

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of reasons. First, as I talked about in

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<v Speaker 1>the court episode on it could Happen here, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>as though MVP's main tactic was to try to drag

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<v Speaker 1>out court as long as possible to keep activists tied

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<v Speaker 1>up with legal shit so they couldn't return to the woods. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to intimidate people, and third, by overcharging with

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous felonies like kidnapping and joy riding, it becomes much

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<v Speaker 1>easier to get people to plead a lesser charges. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>no one on the entire campaign, with over one hundred arrests,

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<v Speaker 1>was ever found guilty of or pleaded guilty to a

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<v Speaker 1>felony charge. It helped that the prosecution was often remarkably

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<v Speaker 1>and humorously incompetent. In the summer of twenty nineteen, someone

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<v Speaker 1>locked themselves to a sleeping dragon, an actual sleeping dragon,

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<v Speaker 1>a lock box embedded into the ground. So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of charges in Virginia that are really similar to

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<v Speaker 1>each other, like obstruction of free passage and then trespass.

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<v Speaker 1>The first obstruction of free passage is basically an anti

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<v Speaker 1>picketing charge about blockading a business. The latter is for

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<v Speaker 1>trespassing on private land. One activist was charged with obstruction

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<v Speaker 1>of free passage. The prosecution filed to have it changed

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<v Speaker 1>to trespass, but the judge never ruled on that change.

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<v Speaker 1>So the prosecution spent the entire trial building a case

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<v Speaker 1>for a charge that the defendant wasn't being charged with.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the defense just kind of like tried not

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<v Speaker 1>to laugh the whole time. They just like tried to

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<v Speaker 1>keep a straight face while they watched this whole case

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<v Speaker 1>be built for the wrong charge. And in the closing arguments,

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<v Speaker 1>the defense were like, well, good job proving the charge

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<v Speaker 1>that this wasn't about, and the defendant was acquitted. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to be acquitted, you should consider one

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<v Speaker 1>of our most important sponsors. Hi, Margaret Kiljoy. Here, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>the world sure is a mess right now. Huh. Seems

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<v Speaker 1>like every day there are more and more reasons to

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<v Speaker 1>get out into the streets and protest. That's why when

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<v Speaker 1>I get arrested, there's only one strategy. I trust, I

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<v Speaker 1>shut the fuck up. I say, I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>remain silent, I would like to talk to my lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I shut the fuck up. In the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>of America. It's constitutionally protected and recommended by the National

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyer's Guild. That's shut thch f u c k up.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, that's shut thch e f uck up. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't talk yourself out of custody, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>talk yourself into a conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>Providing identification to law enforcement required in some states and situations,

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<v Speaker 2>giving them an address expedient in most circumstances. Never discuss

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<v Speaker 2>the events leading to arrest with anyone except your lawyer, doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>or therapist. Hosting pictures of protests and actions on social

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<v Speaker 2>media may lead to complications. If you have already talked

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<v Speaker 2>to cops or experienced confusion about talking to cops, call

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<v Speaker 2>your attorney immediately, as these may be signs of more

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<v Speaker 2>serious legal problems. The concept of not talking to cops

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<v Speaker 2>does not provide legal advice in the foregoing statements are

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<v Speaker 2>for informational purposes only. If you have specific legal questions,

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<v Speaker 2>consult an attorney, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty nineteen, as the fight raged in the Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fourth District Court issued a stop work order to MVP.

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<v Speaker 1>This court, the United States Court of Appeals for the

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth District, is basically the Federal Appeals Court for much

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<v Speaker 1>of the middle of the East Coast from DC down

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<v Speaker 1>to North Carolina, including West Virginia and Virginia, so work

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<v Speaker 1>was stopped for a while. Throughout twenty twenty, not much

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<v Speaker 1>work was done building the pipeline. COVID lockdowns and revoked

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<v Speaker 1>permits kept the destruction paused. By March twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>MVP got some of its permits back and tried to build,

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<v Speaker 1>but famously they only managed to build eight miles of

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<v Speaker 1>pipeline in all of twenty twenty one. By October they

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<v Speaker 1>stopped for the winter. In twenty twenty one, the pipeline's

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<v Speaker 1>water crossing permits were revoked as well, and the pipeline

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<v Speaker 1>crosses perhaps thousands of creeks and rivers, so this was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big deal. At the end of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the Yellowfinch Tree sits were served with an injunction and

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<v Speaker 1>told they had to come down. They didn't. In late

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty twenty one, the two sitters, Ren an Acre

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<v Speaker 1>were evicted by Cranes. One of the sitters, Wren, describing

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<v Speaker 1>their experience, said, after months of hanging out with just

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<v Speaker 1>Acre and playing guitar and magic the gathering all day,

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<v Speaker 1>with occasional visits from cops yelling up at us and

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<v Speaker 1>stapling things on trees, or from pipeline survey crews. I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up one morning to about fifty cops in pipeline

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<v Speaker 1>security forming a perimeter around the tree sits, mostly on

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<v Speaker 1>the road below. They spent the first couple hours yelling

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<v Speaker 1>lies to us on a bullhorn about letting us go

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<v Speaker 1>home that night and reducing our charges, etc. While they

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<v Speaker 1>brought in machinery to widen Yellowfinch Lane so that they

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<v Speaker 1>could get a crane down it. They closed off the

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<v Speaker 1>area to press, local supporters, etc. Allowing only people with

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<v Speaker 1>addresses on the closed off streets through. By about midday,

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<v Speaker 1>they had gotten a crane down Yellowfinch Lane, a one

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<v Speaker 1>way dirt road, and started setting up to stabilize it

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<v Speaker 1>and get cops on the little basket platform thing. They

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<v Speaker 1>had to bring chainsaws up to clear their way through

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<v Speaker 1>the canopy to get to the tree sits from the

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<v Speaker 1>road and their crane. Once they got to me, my tree,

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<v Speaker 1>a chestnut oak, was closer to the road than acres.

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<v Speaker 1>They found me locked to the tree. After trying pain

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<v Speaker 1>compliance techniques, they thought I was grabbing something inside the

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<v Speaker 1>lock box rather than being clipped in. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>go back down in their crane and get an angle

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<v Speaker 1>grinder and generator to power the ankle grinder with and

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<v Speaker 1>put it in their crane basket thing. I attached myself

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<v Speaker 1>to every possible point of safety that I could while

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<v Speaker 1>they were away, since they were going to be using

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<v Speaker 1>an angle grinder near the ropes that kept me alive.

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<v Speaker 1>It took them a while to grind through the lock

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<v Speaker 1>box and unclip me, and then I went limp and

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<v Speaker 1>they had to carry me into the crane basket. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time I was down on the ground, almost twelve

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<v Speaker 1>hours had passed, and it had also started to drizzle

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<v Speaker 1>rain the way it does in Appalachia temperate rainforest. And

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<v Speaker 1>all that. They carried me into the jail van by

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<v Speaker 1>my wrists and ankles and took me away to the

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<v Speaker 1>county jail. They came back for Acre the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>while I was denied bond at my arraignment and carted

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<v Speaker 1>off to the regional jail. Ren and Acre, the two

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<v Speaker 1>sitters served the longest sentences of the campaign, with a

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<v Speaker 1>judge deciding that in the interest of fairness, the sitters

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<v Speaker 1>would serve one day in jail for every day it

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<v Speaker 1>could be proven they were in the trees, and they

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<v Speaker 1>proved they were in the trees based on social media posts.

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<v Speaker 1>One sitter got around three months, the other around four months.

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<v Speaker 1>Wren said about their time in the tree, quote, the

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<v Speaker 1>part that I loved the most about Yellowfinch was the

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<v Speaker 1>ground support camp. It was what I first fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with when I arrived there for the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and that love was what inspired me to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>the tree through the winter. Once the ground Support Camp

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<v Speaker 1>was evicted by injunction, of course I got frustrated with

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<v Speaker 1>it and with some of the people who lived there

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<v Speaker 1>at times. But I loved that place because we got

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<v Speaker 1>to build it to be a better version of the

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<v Speaker 1>world we live in now. Not perfect, but better than

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<v Speaker 1>what we've got. And most importantly, ours was a rotating

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<v Speaker 1>community of almost entirely queer people. The vibes of the

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<v Speaker 1>camp fluctuated as members came and went, but we all

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<v Speaker 1>got to do whatever we felt like doing all day,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow that came together into everything getting done mostly

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<v Speaker 1>and us taking care of each other. My favorite part

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<v Speaker 1>of the day was always in the evening, when We

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<v Speaker 1>would all gather round the fire for dinner and to

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<v Speaker 1>play music and talk about books. We were all passing

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<v Speaker 1>around to each other and what we had done that

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<v Speaker 1>day or wanted to do the next day, or political

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<v Speaker 1>theory or dreams literal and metaphorical. The other thing I

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<v Speaker 1>loved about that place was the spirit of mutual aid

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<v Speaker 1>that ran through it. Local people would bring us food

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<v Speaker 1>and other supplies and hang out for a few hours,

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<v Speaker 1>telling us their stories. It was a place for building connections,

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<v Speaker 1>including to the mountains around us, and for taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of each other. There was, at various times a garden,

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<v Speaker 1>a trampoline, a shed with all of our books, several

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<v Speaker 1>iterations of shudders and compost piles, a drawbridge over the

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<v Speaker 1>creek that ran down by the road, a group therapy circle,

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<v Speaker 1>and various other hippie projects. We foraged and received gifts,

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<v Speaker 1>and the tree sits opened up my mind to the

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<v Speaker 1>way the world could be instead of the way the

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<v Speaker 1>world is. And then one more quote from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the sitters. On May eighth, twenty twenty one, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the sitters wrote the following statement from jail, Hi, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably just saw my sentence in the paper. I

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<v Speaker 1>want folks to know, regardless of how I've been charged,

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<v Speaker 1>I stand behind my actions. I'll go day for day,

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<v Speaker 1>tree for jail, any day of the week to stop

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<v Speaker 1>the damn pipeline. I want people watching who may consider

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<v Speaker 1>taking action against injustice to not be dissuaded by the law,

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<v Speaker 1>to know the court is only there to protect the

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<v Speaker 1>interests of the wealthy corporate elite, that by jailing people

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<v Speaker 1>for protecting the land and water, they show us time

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<v Speaker 1>and time again how the judicial system is a right

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<v Speaker 1>hand in colonialism and how it wears the blood of

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<v Speaker 1>innocent life left in its wake. Refugees from climate change

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<v Speaker 1>are on the rise, Immigrants remain locked in cages, separated

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<v Speaker 1>from their families, dying at our border, and the jail

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<v Speaker 1>are packed with people preyed upon by both the state

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<v Speaker 1>and the prison industry, exploited for labor and cash and

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<v Speaker 1>tax cuts. Prison is modern slavery and should be abolished.

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<v Speaker 1>To those reading this weighing the efficacy of their actions

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<v Speaker 1>planning for the next protest, never forget that you are

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<v Speaker 1>standing for what is right. They may have me in

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<v Speaker 1>a concrete box, but the woods and nature is something

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<v Speaker 1>I hold with me always. I can still feel the

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<v Speaker 1>coming bird song and blossoms of late spring like a

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<v Speaker 1>steady pulse. I can feel the soil and running water

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<v Speaker 1>in my blood. To believe this world was given to

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<v Speaker 1>us to do what we want to it. To build

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<v Speaker 1>monuments to our own ego is backwards and dangerous. We

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<v Speaker 1>are only a small part of this place, and our

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with the land and air and water is critical.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a fatal error to alienate and place ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>above all the crawling and swimming and flying and growing things.

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<v Speaker 1>Earth comes first. Remember, show the world what you believe

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<v Speaker 1>in land for its own autonomy, dirt for dirt's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>and me, Margaret, I have to say ads for ads sake. No, no, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's ads anyway. And we're back after work, slow into

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<v Speaker 1>a crawl. In twenty twenty one, there was no work

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<v Speaker 1>done at all on the pipeline. In twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>it was looking for good reason, like the incredible amount

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<v Speaker 1>of work done by activists was paying off. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, while courts and activists and communities wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>stop this pipeline, the federal government and the fossil fuel

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<v Speaker 1>industries really wanted it, and they were willing to do

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<v Speaker 1>just about anything to make it happen. Before the current administration,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be easy to say fossil fuel infrastructure is

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<v Speaker 1>not the future of energy, and everybody knows it. A

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<v Speaker 1>number of minority shareholders in the project in MVP started

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<v Speaker 1>quietly distancing themselves from MVP as the years went on.

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<v Speaker 1>To quote the Virginia Mercury in an article from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, quote, if there ever was a jackpot for MVP,

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<v Speaker 1>it is gone by now. Today demand for methane gas

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<v Speaker 1>is cooled in the face of cheap wind and solar,

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<v Speaker 1>while MVP's costs have ballooned to six point six billion

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<v Speaker 1>from the initial projection of three point twenty five billion.

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<v Speaker 1>Analysts say MVP's competitive advantage is evaporated and its prospects

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<v Speaker 1>for profitability look grim. End quote. The demand for the

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<v Speaker 1>methane gas the pipeline transports, they say, quote has always

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<v Speaker 1>been hypothetical. If there's a direct villain in this story,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be former US Senator Joe Manchin, who is

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<v Speaker 1>infamous right now is the guy who called himself a

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat but clearly wasn't a democrat, and like, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no particular love for the Democratic Party, but Joe Manchin,

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<v Speaker 1>who retired this year, simply wasn't one. Even he finally

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged it formally leaving the party in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>He is basically just like a fossil fuels guy, best

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<v Speaker 1>as I can figure. He used his position as a

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<v Speaker 1>swing vote by being registered as a Democrat to force

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<v Speaker 1>through legislation that directly prevents life on Earth from being

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<v Speaker 1>able to continue into the future. And I hate how

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<v Speaker 1>hyperbolic that sounds, but it's true. Climate change is the

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<v Speaker 1>single biggest issue in the world right now. Because it

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<v Speaker 1>is the issue that sits above every other single issue,

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<v Speaker 1>all life on Earth hangs in the balance, and Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Manson works tirelessly to make sure that the United States

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<v Speaker 1>works against life on Earth. In twenty twenty two, he

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<v Speaker 1>held climate change legislation hostage until it included large carve

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<v Speaker 1>outs for drilling in fossil fuels. He shot down provisions

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<v Speaker 1>life provide tax credits to people who buy Union made

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<v Speaker 1>electric cars, as far as I was told by activists

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground. He also tried unsuccessfully to get the

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<v Speaker 1>MVP written directly into that bill. Then, finally, in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, the Bastard pulled it off. In twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three's Fiscal Responsibility Act, which is about the debt ceiling.

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<v Speaker 1>He managed to get in a piece that says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the Congress hereby finds and declares that the timely completion

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<v Speaker 1>of construction and operation of the Mountain Valley Pipeline is

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<v Speaker 1>required in the national interest to quote West Virginia Metro

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<v Speaker 1>News quote. That section goes on to say that Congress

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<v Speaker 1>ratifies and approves all permits and other approvals required for

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<v Speaker 1>construction and initial operation of the Mountain Valley Pipeline. The

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<v Speaker 1>section specifies that the approvals should occur no later than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one days after the passage of the bill. The

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<v Speaker 1>bill goes on to say that no court would have

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<v Speaker 1>jurisdiction to review the federal regulatory actions end quote. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an essence Congress overriding the courts, shifting jurisdiction and

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<v Speaker 1>saying all the regulation and permits just don't matter, because

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<v Speaker 1>we want this pipeline, this destructive pipeline clinging to an

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<v Speaker 1>outmoded and wildly dangerous technology. At the beginning of these episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about how the fight against the pipeline it

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<v Speaker 1>was a process of disillusionment for many of the activists

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<v Speaker 1>and people in the surrounding communities. But the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they had fought the pipeline in the woods and the

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<v Speaker 1>courts and won. The fact that all that could be

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<v Speaker 1>struck away simply by a Congress that says, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>we don't actually care, in a bill that wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>about the pipeline was perhaps the ultimate disillusionment. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth District kept finding the project to be illegal, that

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<v Speaker 1>court's jurisdiction was revoked essentially, and the District of Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>Court of Appeals was given jurisdiction over the pipeline, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the DC Court of Appeals is a court of

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<v Speaker 1>appeals wait for it DC. Things that happen in DC,

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<v Speaker 1>where famously the MVP does not run. I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>more on the ground activist than legal activists for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible there is more I've yet to learn about

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<v Speaker 1>what justification could be given for transferring this jurisdiction. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>having its jurisdiction revoked, the Fourth Circuit Court attempted a

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<v Speaker 1>stop work order on the pipeline based on its previous rulings.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court looked at that from the Fourth Circuit

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<v Speaker 1>Court and vacated this stay. Basically, it was like no,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can ignore that, without even giving a justification

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<v Speaker 1>for why they did that. It was a shadow docket,

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<v Speaker 1>which is roughly when the Supreme Court says something about

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<v Speaker 1>injunctions or stays without actually doing the whole like hearings

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<v Speaker 1>and oral arguments and final judgments and you know, judicial process.

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<v Speaker 1>So why was the MVP built despite only the rich

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<v Speaker 1>and powerful wanting it? Well, because the rich and powerful

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it. To hell with democracy. After the highest levels

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<v Speaker 1>of power said fuck you were killing your mountains each shit,

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<v Speaker 1>people refused to give up. They wanted it, seems to

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<v Speaker 1>go down fighting. Around fifty of the one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five arrests during the campaign were all in the

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<v Speaker 1>last year of the campaign, when it was no longer

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<v Speaker 1>about delaying the pipeline so that the courts could fight

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<v Speaker 1>it out, but instead about saying, don't fuck with the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>you fox, we fucking live here. Maybe they wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>cussed so much. Maybe they would have who knows. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of different people were involved. The trials I went to

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<v Speaker 1>were for three different actions that happened after the construction

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<v Speaker 1>resumed in twenty twenty three in twenty twenty four, including

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<v Speaker 1>two lockdowns on equipment and one person who crawled into

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<v Speaker 1>a length of pipe and remained there for almost two

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<v Speaker 1>days to stop construction. Other times there were a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of mass walk ons, where people would swarm construction sites

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<v Speaker 1>and by their presence make work impossible. Sometimes those people

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested. Sometimes they managed to disappear into the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the people who've managed to disappear into the woods

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested later were followed out of the woods by drones.

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<v Speaker 1>The very last action was a tripod at Yellowfinch. A

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<v Speaker 1>twenty foot aluminum tripod was set up in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the road in the exact spot where a banner

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<v Speaker 1>had read years earlier, Welcome to Yellowfinch. During the sits,

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<v Speaker 1>an activist sat in a hammock up at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the tripod while supporters rallied around the base. Tripods

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<v Speaker 1>and another non tree st aerial blockades are precarious things,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's important to keep eyes on them at all

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<v Speaker 1>times from the ground to keep the cops from doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything outrageously dangers. When the cops came, they issued a

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<v Speaker 1>trespassing order to get the rally to move down the

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<v Speaker 1>road like the support people out of sight of what

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing. The cops told the sitter to come down.

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<v Speaker 1>The sitter said, basically, you'll have to come up and

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<v Speaker 1>get me. So the cops brought a contraption. Police documents

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<v Speaker 1>called it the Rook, and it was basically an armored

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<v Speaker 1>skid steer like a forklift, with a little armored elevator

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<v Speaker 1>thing on the front instead of a fork the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird military hardware cops are all getting these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Cops went up on the Rook and pulled the sitter

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<v Speaker 1>into it, taking their cafea and helmet, which were never returned.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to this flurry of action, the activists delayed the

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<v Speaker 1>project successfully for another half a year or so, but

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four, the pipeline was finished and fracked

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<v Speaker 1>gas began to move. When I went down for the trials,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched some of the bravest people I've ever met

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<v Speaker 1>standing in front of a judge and be told by

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<v Speaker 1>a prosecutor that there was paradoxically something wrong with trying

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<v Speaker 1>to save the world. After the trial, I asked people

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<v Speaker 1>what lessons they learned, and I got some interesting answers.

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<v Speaker 1>One person talked about how important the art from the

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<v Speaker 1>movement will remain. Another person told me that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to invite people in, that you have to make it

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<v Speaker 1>easy for people to join. You can't just tell people

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<v Speaker 1>something is happening. You have to tell them that they're

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to come, that you'll drive them, that you'll sit

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<v Speaker 1>with them, that you'll buddy up with people. I got

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<v Speaker 1>told that you have to extend a little more trust

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<v Speaker 1>to people than you're comfortable with. People implied that having

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<v Speaker 1>an open camp with a simple onboarding process for new

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers was a strength of this movement. Activist movements have

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<v Speaker 1>always been infiltrated by the state, and likely always will be.

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<v Speaker 1>Forced Defense movements in particular have a fairly major history

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<v Speaker 1>of infiltration from the eighties and nineties and early aughts.

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<v Speaker 1>But as far as I can tell, and I asked around,

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<v Speaker 1>no one is aware of any informant coming forward as

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<v Speaker 1>a state's witness in any trial. That doesn't mean there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't informants, just that none of them felt it worth

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<v Speaker 1>blowing their own cover. The open movement did not cost

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<v Speaker 1>them any particular jail time or arrest, it seems, and

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<v Speaker 1>I also got told something i'd seen in the messaging

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<v Speaker 1>for the entire campaign on press releases and banners, that

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<v Speaker 1>people knew this campaign was about much more than land rights.

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<v Speaker 1>People knew that it wasn't nimbiism, that many, perhaps most

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<v Speaker 1>of the people were fighting against capitalism and colonialism. People

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<v Speaker 1>knew that getting this land back into the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous stewardship was essential. Whenever I think about hard fought

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<v Speaker 1>activist campaigns that we quote unquote lost, I think back

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<v Speaker 1>to an essay written by one of my favorite authors,

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<v Speaker 1>the late David Graber. The essay is called The Shock

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<v Speaker 1>of Victory. I first read it when it came out

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and seven, and it fundamentally shifted something

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<v Speaker 1>in me. See. I came up in activism in the

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<v Speaker 1>alter globalization movement of the late nineties and early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>when we tried to stop free trade agreements from stripping

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<v Speaker 1>natural resources from developing nations. I got arrested a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times during all of that, and I got punched

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<v Speaker 1>by more than one cop along the way. I gathered

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<v Speaker 1>up all this experience and all this trauma, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure what to do with it because I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we'd lost. Then here comes one of the greatest thinkers

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty first century, and he wrote this essay saying, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>anarchists and activists, we don't know when we've won. He

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<v Speaker 1>uses two movements as examples, the anti nuclear movement of

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties and the alter globalization movement to the

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<v Speaker 1>turn of the millennium. He says that activists often have

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<v Speaker 1>short term, medium term, and long term goals. A short

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<v Speaker 1>term goal might be stop the following nuclear power plant

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<v Speaker 1>from being built. A medium term goal might be end

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<v Speaker 1>the expansion of nuclear infrastructure. The long term goal might

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<v Speaker 1>be destroy the state and capitalism and living in egalitarian,

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<v Speaker 1>free society. Time after time, we lose our short term goals.

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<v Speaker 1>When people throw their queer shoulders to the wheel trying

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<v Speaker 1>to stop a pipeline like the Mountain Valley, they often fail.

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<v Speaker 1>The state just keeps raising the stakes, and raising the stakes,

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<v Speaker 1>and raising the stakes, pulling out all the stops to

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<v Speaker 1>crush the movement. In this case, they caused a constitutional crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no particular reason Congress should have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>overrule the courts and change jurisdiction and ignore all the

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<v Speaker 1>permitting procedures to make this happen. They will do anything

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<v Speaker 1>to win. The state absolutely refuses to lose face. But

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<v Speaker 1>both of the movements that Graber discussed did win their

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<v Speaker 1>medium term goals. Nuclear Power when out of vote after

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<v Speaker 1>fierce opposition, even if the specific instruction of the specific

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 1>plants that were opposed went through, and the Global Movement

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<v Speaker 1>for Economic Justice did not stop the individual free trade

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<v Speaker 1>agreements that it opposed, but it did end the consensus

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<v Speaker 1>that the neoliberal agenda was the best one. It ended

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<v Speaker 1>the proliferation of comparable deals. So we don't win our

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<v Speaker 1>long term goals yet, and we often lose our short

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<v Speaker 1>term goals though. I have been to forests that still

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<v Speaker 1>exist because of comparable campaigns. But just by fighting like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking hell, we make the expansion of fossil fuel infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>all the harder. I'm not so sure that the fight

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<v Speaker 1>against MVP lost. I suspect, in fact, it was part

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<v Speaker 1>of a larger winning strategy. At the opening of that

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<v Speaker 1>essay by Graver, he says, quote odd though it may

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<v Speaker 1>seem the ruling classes live in fear of us, they

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<v Speaker 1>appear to still be haunted by the possible ability that

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<v Speaker 1>if average Americans really got wind of what they were

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<v Speaker 1>up to, they might all end up hanging from trees.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it seems implausible, but it's hard to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with any other explanation for the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>go into panic mode the moment there is any sign

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<v Speaker 1>of mass mobilization and especially mass direct action end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this helps explain that after the last criminal

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<v Speaker 1>trial in February, the people I talked to didn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>or seem defeated. They were full of life. I am

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<v Speaker 1>sure that many of them were burned out, exhausted. The

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<v Speaker 1>pipeline they'd all risked so much to fight was in operation,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't see anyone in despair. I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>a movement that was acting like it had lost, but

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<v Speaker 1>one that was proud, that had learned a lot, that

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<v Speaker 1>was ready to inspire the next movement. That's particularly interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to note right now, because almost everyone I know is

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<v Speaker 1>struggled against despair in the face of the rise of

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<v Speaker 1>fascism and the rising temperatures. Maybe acting with agency, in

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<v Speaker 1>acting in line with our values is the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>can keep us tethered in the storm. We are feeling

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<v Speaker 1>the first winds of today, and maybe the way we

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<v Speaker 1>get ourselves tethered like that is to build community together

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<v Speaker 1>wherever we are, to stop fighting about bullshit, to de

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<v Speaker 1>escalate our conflicts, and seek mediation for the valid critiques

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<v Speaker 1>that we have of one another. Because, as Jamie Hale

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<v Speaker 1>told me the other day, divide and conquer as a

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.280
<v Speaker 1>tactic as old as time. We can be accepting and loving.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the end of the episode about this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's still ongoing civil litigation basically, like all of

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<v Speaker 1>the money that the company lost it's trying to recoup

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<v Speaker 1>by suing the shit out of everyone, and so all

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<v Speaker 1>of that is still going on. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>support activists and help them defend themselves against this litigation,

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<v Speaker 1>you can join me in donating into the Appalachian Legal

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Fund, which you can find at bit dot l Y.

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<v Speaker 1>That's b I T period l Y slash a p

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<v Speaker 1>P Legal Defense. That's a P P l E G

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<v Speaker 1>A L D E F E N s E. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the end of this episode. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a Kickstarter. I already told you that we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back soon with more cool people who did cool stuff.

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