Speaker 1: Who do you who?
Speaker 2: This is George. I'm gonna cut right to the chase, folks.
Speaker 2: As of right now, Sam Taggart is halfway through his
Speaker 2: stand up tour and I, George Severes, am about to
Speaker 2: start my stand up tour.
Speaker 1: So if you.
Speaker 2: Want to see Sam on tour, he has a few
Speaker 2: dates left d C, Philly, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Boston. You
Speaker 2: can go to linktree dot com slash Sam Taggart. And
Speaker 2: if you want to see me on tour starting later
Speaker 2: this month in La Easthampton, Chicago, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, Sacramento,
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Seattle, Toronto, and a few more dates that
Speaker 2: I'm adding soon, you can go to linktree dot com
Speaker 2: slash George Severes. That is l I n K t
Speaker 2: R e E dot com slash either Sam Taggart or
Speaker 2: George severies depending on which one of us you want
Speaker 2: to see, and I'm gonna be honest, some of these
Speaker 2: dates are selling out, so I would act fast. We
Speaker 2: cannot wait to see you on the road. We are
Speaker 2: having so much fun touring and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Enjoy the show.
Speaker 1: Who doy Who? Glamour Girls you're listening to Stradio Lab rewind.
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Speaker 2: because it's time to start taking notes about the things
Speaker 2: we've said.
Speaker 1: Okay, enjoy the past. Bye. Podcast starts now. Wow, I
Speaker 1: haven't gathered my thoughts yet. Well what thought? I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was something. It all happens.
Speaker 2: So you were like, okay, let's start. Podcast starts now,
Speaker 2: and I'm I find myself in that place between backstage
Speaker 2: and on stage, and I'm telling myself go go. The
Speaker 2: crowd is waiting go. But then I'm being like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 2: just one more sip of water yea. And meanwhile the
Speaker 2: executive from the big network has already left.
Speaker 1: He's like this is not He's like this is unprofessional?
Speaker 2: Is unprofessional? What is he wearing his food in his teeth?
Speaker 2: Looks disgusting? Disgusting.
Speaker 1: Gig eye alert.
Speaker 2: We do not we have filled or disgusting gig a
Speaker 2: quota for the month. We don't need any more with
Speaker 2: this little bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can be so hard. So that's where I am.
Speaker 1: How about you me? I feel like I'm in a
Speaker 1: similar space, but I'm my My imagery is more that
Speaker 1: I'm walking from the back of the venue, and it's
Speaker 1: sort of like I'm sort of I should have come from,
Speaker 1: you know, the stage door, but I'm making a show
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm being like, Okay, it's taking me
Speaker 1: forever to get there, like yeah, you know, way, that's
Speaker 1: kind of fun. And everyone's like, oh wow, he's playing
Speaker 1: with the forum like I didn't know someone could come
Speaker 1: from the back. Are you doing the thing?
Speaker 2: Are you saying hi to people as you're walking, but
Speaker 2: with no expectation that they'll say high back?
Speaker 1: Yes, just sort of like waves waves here to be
Speaker 1: in a room where all eyes are on you, can
Speaker 1: I tell you please? I'm We're recording this live from
Speaker 1: New York City, of course, and you know I've been
Speaker 1: out of town, one could argue, and I went.
Speaker 2: To, do you think living somewhere different permanently counts as
Speaker 2: being out of town?
Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly not in town. I can say that much,
Speaker 1: and I was. I went to the actually last night,
Speaker 1: and I actually went with some one of my coworkers
Speaker 1: at the job who was in New York as well,
Speaker 1: and he got to watch as people everyone comes up
Speaker 1: and says, Hi, oh my god, you've been out of town.
Speaker 1: How has it been? Multiple pole homecoming? It was a homecoming?
Speaker 3: Wait where do you live? Oh? Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: keeping saying. I feel like I'm I'm like eating alone,
Speaker 3: like you're and you're like at a table.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're like tweeting you're first stay next
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We put our guests through this ringer of like, rather
Speaker 2: than welcoming them, we make them do the most awkward
Speaker 2: thing possible, which is just sit there and make facial
Speaker 2: expressions at us and just not be able to speak
Speaker 2: and just have to be.
Speaker 3: Like it's working. I feel I feel excluded. Oh oh,
Speaker 3: but in like.
Speaker 1: A in a way that makes you want to perform
Speaker 1: even better? Is it like revenue up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little. I'm like, what am I going to?
Speaker 3: How am I going to get in there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well there's a tension building.
Speaker 3: What do you order? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that looks good. Oh, I would love to try that.
Speaker 2: This is actually something we can talk about, is the
Speaker 2: dynamics of talking to a neighboring table at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: I think we should bring in our guest. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: bring our guests. Okay, we'll not further do please welcome
Speaker 1: the multi hyphen it and recent star of Fantasmas Martine. Hello, Martin,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Was I supposed to say?
Speaker 1: You don't have to?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad you recognized me because it's it's like
Speaker 3: a fifty to fifty these days.
Speaker 1: So how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good. I was resistant. I don't want to overshare.
Speaker 3: It seems to be like a thing.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to come in a podcast answer to the
Speaker 1: question how are you to be? I don't want to overshare.
Speaker 3: I don't I prefer I'd prefer to. Well, sometimes I
Speaker 3: just get too genuine and I kind of the other
Speaker 3: person is kind of they don't know what they're in for.
Speaker 3: They're like, I wanted to just go.
Speaker 1: I just want it to be we don't mind being
Speaker 1: challenge all.
Speaker 2: You find that you get to that genuine place too fast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I kind of like sit on the
Speaker 3: edge kind of intimacy. If it was a ledge, I'm
Speaker 3: like dangling my little bitsy heels.
Speaker 1: Off the edge, some of the tiniest heels I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, like you're lying.
Speaker 1: Wait and I so it's like a cliff, the waves
Speaker 1: crashing on the rocks, and I'm scared. I'm like, is
Speaker 1: she gonna get that intimate?
Speaker 2: And then if it's yeah, that's that. And so then
Speaker 2: every time someone starts a conversation with you, it's a
Speaker 2: little tap on your shoulder. But if it's if it's
Speaker 2: too much, you're oh.
Speaker 3: Wait, it's like a real it's like a push.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well that must be really hard.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna what did I say?
Speaker 1: Good? You said you were good.
Speaker 3: I think that's true.
Speaker 2: See, now you're hanging off the ledge. The word good
Speaker 2: brought you from sitting on the edge to hang off,
Speaker 2: hanging by one hand.
Speaker 3: There's like a yeah, there's like an old you know,
Speaker 3: twisted tree I'm holding Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so dangerous.
Speaker 2: And it's got a chill. Yeah, and the fog you
Speaker 2: actually can't see the bottom.
Speaker 3: Of No, you can hear.
Speaker 1: You can hear. Oh in the salt, the salt in
Speaker 1: the air.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, gorgeous. I mean that's why I look like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it does.
Speaker 1: Really, it was amazing.
Speaker 2: It's a double edge story because on the one hand,
Speaker 2: you you might die, but on the other hand you
Speaker 2: look snatched as hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah you, I mean as you. How else would you
Speaker 3: want to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Martine. Can I ask a personal question?
Speaker 3: I've never seen this show? How personal? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to know what in your life changed
Speaker 1: when you messaged me I'm ready to do a podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because we actually have been trying to get
Speaker 2: you on for approximately five years.
Speaker 1: And then one day I got this beauty message said
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do a podcast. Yeah, And I said
Speaker 1: this something has changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did changed it. I don't I don't enjoy this, Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well it's a curse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't enjoy inhabiting this body and being on earth.
Speaker 3: But I I have made the best of it. Sure,
Speaker 3: and I think and I I was on Julio's show again,
Speaker 3: and but this time everyone, you know, everyone gagged, Well
Speaker 3: they gagged, they gagged and I and I and I
Speaker 3: was told I have to do more press.
Speaker 1: I was told there by Julio.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: But you don't deny it.
Speaker 3: I he didn't specifically say that. It was it was
Speaker 3: made clear to me that I can't just be this
Speaker 3: kind of anonymous figure.
Speaker 1: So you're breaking your silence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have asked, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I won't. It won't be like totally foreign for me
Speaker 3: to Yeah, it's gonna it's like me stepping into the.
Speaker 1: This is your big debut, yeah, oppress, Yes, because you
Speaker 1: have like a lot of listeners.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, well, maybe I'm here because I'm here for that.
Speaker 3: I'm here for two. I kind of feel like I
Speaker 3: have nothing to promote though.
Speaker 1: That's okay. Most of our guests don't.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So just to recap, you don't enjoy this. You
Speaker 2: are doing it because we have a lot of listeners
Speaker 2: and you have nothing to promote.
Speaker 1: But you are here to promote fantastics. Do you feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the question? How are you?
Speaker 3: I don't feel uncomfortable. I just I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to make you listen to something that
Speaker 3: that I might regret saying, of.
Speaker 2: Course, I get the sense that I'm getting is that
Speaker 2: there is a big secret, don't you don't you feel
Speaker 2: there's a big secret and you're afraid that if you speak,
Speaker 2: you'll spill it. You have, you have a big secret,
Speaker 2: don't deny it.
Speaker 3: I have a big secret. So it's true. I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say it. But it might even
Speaker 3: be two secrets. Oh yeah, somehow less dramatic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not like secrets. Yeah, we all have.
Speaker 3: Secret seven secrets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's really interesting. The number of secrets that
Speaker 1: have is one.
Speaker 3: It's only one one secret.
Speaker 2: Also, I would say two is literally the worst number
Speaker 2: because at least if you have a hundred secrets, then okay,
Speaker 2: you're like you like wear a robe and you like
Speaker 2: But if you if you have two, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so you're like a politician and your two secrets are
Speaker 2: like you had an affair and you're like a bad dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like that's actually not and you took
Speaker 1: money from oil. There we go, that's a better secret. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're paying you're paying for nice hotels, yes, exactly,
Speaker 3: you're paying for beautiful dinners.
Speaker 1: Yeah so everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So actually, if you have one big secret, a way
Speaker 2: to make that better for yourself is to have another secret,
Speaker 2: and then it will make the first secret less but to.
Speaker 1: Be better than that's sort of how you know, almost
Speaker 1: addiction starts. So you're like, well, it's like this is
Speaker 1: how credit card debt works, where you're like, well, I
Speaker 1: already have a little Maybe I'll just paid off another
Speaker 1: credit card. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: What if someone was addicted to secrets, collecting them or
Speaker 2: just having them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to talk about it anymore about
Speaker 3: your secret.
Speaker 1: Your two secrets. You don't want to talk about.
Speaker 3: Your secrets, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: But you do want people to know you have them?
Speaker 3: No what Oh so we'll cut that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is live, Yeah, this is live.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, okay, well, coming at you live from Time Square. Honestly,
Speaker 3: this building gives Times Square Hall the way that played
Speaker 3: different Hits as you walk through the tunnel of Hits. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why I was late.
Speaker 1: Oh you got lost in the tunnel of Hits.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just would go forward and go back, and
Speaker 3: go forward and go back. And I got on my
Speaker 3: phone and I took some content and then I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't post this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: But can we go back there?
Speaker 4: Like the three of us, we definitely are going to
Speaker 4: We're going to go back and we're going to get
Speaker 4: some picks and we're not going to lose ourselves in it.
Speaker 3: And that's what you want.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, do you want to lose yourself in the
Speaker 1: Tunnel of Hits?
Speaker 3: I feel like I can't. I mean it was I
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 1: Half what you were half an hour late because you
Speaker 1: were in the tunnel of five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1: I want to say something about being thirty five minutes late. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where there was thirty five minutes late is actually so
Speaker 1: significantly late that you get scared and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's not going to show up. That when you do
Speaker 1: show up, it's actually a treat. Like when you got here,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like there was nothing but like joy. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: because it was like it could have been so much worse,
Speaker 1: Whereas if you were twenty minutes late, we would have
Speaker 1: been mad.
Speaker 3: We were like, hell and fifteen, It's almost.
Speaker 1: Like fifteen doesn't even count. We were fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you were fifteen.
Speaker 1: Well I was actually twenty. Let's just say we were mad.
Speaker 1: They were mad at me.
Speaker 2: We did another recording before this, and I was twenty
Speaker 2: minutes late because of a combination of subway issues and
Speaker 2: my own timing, and I coul feel that they were mad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I had to overperform. And I actually think I
Speaker 2: knocked it out of the park because I think that
Speaker 2: pressure is what I needed to.
Speaker 1: Stick the landing, stick the land. Yes, like a gymnast, Like,
Speaker 1: what's a gymnast? So you would love them? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: would love gymnastics. Yeah, A short little girls, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I yes. And they can do anything flip, twirl, spin, balance, very.
Speaker 2: Strong, strong and elegant and graceful.
Speaker 1: Yes. And they represent our country oh and.
Speaker 2: Yeahs yes, like in the United Nations and Angelina Jolie
Speaker 2: figures if you will. And they work in teams and
Speaker 2: also individually, so they celebrate both the communal aspect of
Speaker 2: American culture and the rigid, individualistic, capitalist nature of American culture.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful combination, but it comes at a cost
Speaker 1: because they can only stay so beautiful and strong for
Speaker 1: sol long. Yes, So they die out very very young.
Speaker 2: And as soon as they are twenty one years old,
Speaker 2: they're too old, and people are throwing tomatoes at them, saying,
Speaker 2: old bitch, get off this stage.
Speaker 1: I don't want you representing my nation. Anymore. So it's
Speaker 1: unethical in that regard, but it's still inspiring. Nonetheless, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you don't look into it, you would really like it.
Speaker 3: You both know so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the sticking the landing is when a gymnast
Speaker 2: does a bunch of flips, you know, it doesn't count it.
Speaker 2: She then like falls flat on her ass. She has
Speaker 2: to stick the land and she has to land on
Speaker 2: both her feet and then do this.
Speaker 1: Hands up to show them, to show that she's not
Speaker 1: a threat, right, she actually she has to land and
Speaker 1: then do this.
Speaker 3: I think I have seen this. Yeah, I think I've
Speaker 3: seen this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you like the Olympics?
Speaker 3: I've never been Mmm.
Speaker 1: Maybe on TV.
Speaker 3: I I didn't watch. I didn't watch this year either,
Speaker 3: but I had friends that were there in Paris and
Speaker 3: they were telling me how it sucks. They were like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this like it got hand out and
Speaker 3: it was like allegedly that Gaga performance was like pre taped,
Speaker 3: so while it was happening, she wasn't even on the stage.
Speaker 1: Not like us that we're alive like this, not like this.
Speaker 3: I'm here, I reached through my face. No, apparently it
Speaker 3: was just like such a bust with the weather, and
Speaker 3: I can't believe they made people swim in the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Those people are all going to grow
Speaker 2: like an extra limb.
Speaker 3: Someone got sick. Couldn't even like compete because of the
Speaker 3: like pollution, pollution.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you say poop? It is a poop.
Speaker 1: It's a poopoo.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say pooh in frene. Oh
Speaker 3: yeah that's yeah. Yeah, that's my mom swear when she
Speaker 3: gets really mad.
Speaker 1: Quietly, I really like when you erase the eye.
Speaker 3: Ye, you're like, oh god, she's really it's like, oh
Speaker 3: it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's like the key.
Speaker 3: It's like she doesn't have our keys. We're like locked
Speaker 3: out or ship.
Speaker 1: Ship you know, one of those people that when she's
Speaker 1: angry rather than louder.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, she's not a yeller. That's why I'm
Speaker 3: like this, mm do you ever raise your voice?
Speaker 1: Would you like to yell at us? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I would love. I would love to yell at both
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we're open to it now, sure.
Speaker 2: Or if you want to surprise us during the episode, Oh,
Speaker 2: that could be fun. Whenever you feel like yelling at.
Speaker 1: Us when we say the magic word, what do you
Speaker 1: want the magic word is poop in the sin, But
Speaker 1: there's no way we're going to get back to poop
Speaker 1: in the sun.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so we have to think of a word
Speaker 2: that we might say.
Speaker 3: Are they like kids?
Speaker 1: They you're really small children? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. You know.
Speaker 1: Also when you said.
Speaker 2: We're an educational show, it feels like small children.
Speaker 3: It feels like you're teaching me a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our first segment is called the Letter B,
Speaker 1: and in this segment we say words with the letter
Speaker 1: B for all our kids listeners. That's right, that's right. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: I forgot.
Speaker 2: I forgot for a second that first segment box very ball, ballpark, balloon.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any B words?
Speaker 3: Boobs?
Speaker 1: You have to cut that show?
Speaker 3: Bress breast how's an every child already seen one? Both
Speaker 3: of them? Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That one to two for years? True?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess if they've breast yeah, but not for years.
Speaker 2: You were not breast fed?
Speaker 1: Okay, judgment. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just figure, you know, all American Midwest like that's
Speaker 2: screams breastfeeding.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: You you don't know if you were breast fed sorry,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm I know I'm attacking you right now.
Speaker 1: But is it?
Speaker 3: How's your immune system?
Speaker 1: Amazing?
Speaker 3: Okay? Then probably have you.
Speaker 1: Never asked George how his immune system is terrible? And
Speaker 1: yet I was breast fed?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Were you breast fed? And how's your immune system?
Speaker 3: Mine's okay? And I was breastfed. What were you drinking?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, corn so corn milk, corn milk so shocking. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the real answers.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't know, Rain. I think before I was like
Speaker 1: probably not, but then I'm like, well, I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I have a question for you. Why was your assumption no?
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2: Because you're like, that's my mom. Why would why would
Speaker 2: she be feeding me her breath?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would have been when you were a baby. No,
Speaker 1: I get that, but I think no, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: do you? Okay? Sorry, I can stop pushing this. No,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I should call her and she'll it's funny, like, how
Speaker 2: do I know? I just know I was told. I
Speaker 2: was definitely I was told. And I feel like there
Speaker 2: are like photos and like she also photos?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the internet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you post them.
Speaker 2: Well, that was my one secret that I was trying
Speaker 2: to keep. It's that I was breastfed as a child.
Speaker 2: Well what's great is that then it was leaked. It
Speaker 2: was leaked, and now you have another And now I
Speaker 2: have a new secret that I'll never tell.
Speaker 1: Martin.
Speaker 3: I like talking about both of you more.
Speaker 1: Do you do you want to ask us? Do you
Speaker 1: want to interview us? Oh?
Speaker 2: I would actually love that because you know we were
Speaker 2: saying this before. You look like an interviewer with the
Speaker 2: gorgeous hair, the mic and the clock behind you.
Speaker 3: And no it's not in the frame.
Speaker 1: Okay, well the listeners will just happen.
Speaker 3: How much is in the frame?
Speaker 1: Just your eyes, your mouth? Like the two.
Speaker 2: I would love to be interviewed by Martin. Should we
Speaker 2: just like do our first segment and then how low
Speaker 2: is it going?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I shall be more aware of my posture.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just my mouth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Martine should ask each of us one interview
Speaker 1: question and then we should do our first segment. Okay, Martine,
Speaker 1: ask each of us one interview question.
Speaker 3: I know we're I'm hungry to it and that's why
Speaker 3: I was late.
Speaker 1: Can I say.
Speaker 2: Something I know it's usually you usually don't comment if
Speaker 2: you hear someone's stomach growing.
Speaker 1: But I actually really appreciate that you did. She's like,
Speaker 1: I think it was a pretty demure ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's cute. I I didn't prepare for task out
Speaker 3: of your questions.
Speaker 1: No, that's true.
Speaker 3: I did. I did do I did the homework.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, I did the homework straight things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's different. We'll get to that. Yeah that's different. That's
Speaker 1: not that's not the we're This is sort of the preamble. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: anything goes.
Speaker 3: What were kind of icons growing up that you I
Speaker 3: can't help it that you it's funny still look up to.
Speaker 1: Oh icon's growing up that we still look up to.
Speaker 3: Like as child, you love them.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting because I have one that I don't.
Speaker 1: That's funny, Okay, what is it? I remember being like
Speaker 1: reading a book on Lancet arm Strong when I was
Speaker 1: like in middle school and being like, damn, this guy
Speaker 1: is really a good guy.
Speaker 3: The bicycle cyclist cyclist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who it turns out is bad? And then yeah
Speaker 1: it was he was like doping and stuff, and he
Speaker 1: cheated on schol Crow and he cheated on Scherl Crow.
Speaker 3: I didn't know he dated hill Crow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even makes you have Do you think that songs
Speaker 3: about him? It's about cycling.
Speaker 1: I think it's about it's about him cycling.
Speaker 3: It can't be that.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's what.
Speaker 2: Inspired him to start doping? Is he heard the song
Speaker 2: by Schroyl Crow if it makes you happy?
Speaker 1: Because winning really made him happy.
Speaker 2: Actually it's about doping if it makes you happy.
Speaker 1: I can't be that bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh you're right girl. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: he just like kept on dope. It's like time to
Speaker 1: live my life. Time to live strong enough judgment.
Speaker 2: Okay, no one's going to comment on time to live
Speaker 2: U strong? No, that was good, Okay, thanks Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: So I guess icons that I liked growing up. I
Speaker 2: do find it interesting that you said that you still
Speaker 2: look up to, implying that an icon is someone you
Speaker 2: look up to, because I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's an and has bad tastes and
Speaker 1: icons Because if.
Speaker 2: My icon was Madonna, does that mean I look up
Speaker 2: to her? Or I don't want to be like Madonna,
Speaker 2: but she is an icon to me?
Speaker 3: You don't, I don't think so. At the time, did
Speaker 3: you though, you mean like.
Speaker 1: You were inspired by her energy? I was inspired which album?
Speaker 1: I would say?
Speaker 2: I mean she was an icon before this, but I
Speaker 2: do think American Life was really big.
Speaker 3: For so underrated.
Speaker 2: Yes, Underrated was really big for me. It was when
Speaker 2: I realized that she had an old sensibility, that she
Speaker 2: wasn't just a girl next dooor pop star. It also liked,
Speaker 2: you know, putting a whole bottle of water in her mouth.
Speaker 2: She did that in the sex documentary.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when she could show you. Is that why
Speaker 3: you wanted to be?
Speaker 1: Like maybe I want You're like, yes, that's me.
Speaker 2: As a child child being like, wait that my icon
Speaker 2: is Madonna in Truth or Dare do it?
Speaker 1: Simulating a blow job on a water bottle?
Speaker 3: You understood that that was fashion.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and then American Life solidified it.
Speaker 1: And then now like she's still my icon? Sure, but
Speaker 1: do I want to be like her?
Speaker 3: Well, most icons they're like ideologies, right. That means that
Speaker 3: they're on a pedestal or there's there's some kind of.
Speaker 1: What is the Madonna ideology? This is it's like it's
Speaker 1: like live out loud, like you are the most important
Speaker 1: person on earth.
Speaker 3: Rebel heart Heart. Yeah, push back.
Speaker 1: When someone says run, you walk, when someone says walk,
Speaker 1: you run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can do you can do everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want. And if you're bad at something, that's
Speaker 1: actually good.
Speaker 3: Or that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't matter because you did it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you did it, rebel you did the thing. Rebel Heart,
Speaker 4: rebel Heart. Rebel Heart is actually like kind of a
Speaker 4: huge idea. Yeah, and I carry I carry that with
Speaker 4: rebel Heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah in the postal bag. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Actually no, I'm not gonna shoot. I have to get
Speaker 3: something digitized. Let's not talk about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that there's so much we're not talking about today.
Speaker 3: I know I have control issues. It's something that I'm
Speaker 3: working on. It's why I was like, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 3: you questions, and it's why it doesn't make me a
Speaker 3: great actor or as who.
Speaker 1: You're an incredible actor as well, you're a damn star,
Speaker 1: but say more about your country.
Speaker 3: I mean, I came here for that.
Speaker 1: I remember when you gagged audience globe, audience around the globe.
Speaker 3: See, it's more like, I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 3: Just because it's available. I don't think that means you are.
Speaker 1: But everyone's telling you we're gagging.
Speaker 3: Well, my friends are, and that's that's really what matters.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you watched it. Watches I'm like, oh, you
Speaker 3: watched it.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, here's a question for you. Who is
Speaker 1: an icon you still look up to?
Speaker 3: This wasn't part of an agreement. This wasn't part of you.
Speaker 3: We should have said that when we started this, that
Speaker 3: you also would ask me my question.
Speaker 2: I'm sensing a pattern here, Yes, I'm something a very
Speaker 2: really easily readable pattern.
Speaker 1: You're very thrown off by surprises? Am I correct in that?
Speaker 3: Wow? I mean as a maybe maybe maybe I have
Speaker 3: some trauma that night. Ooh, it's like being.
Speaker 1: Traumatized.
Speaker 2: Yes, And now we have a flashback and it's a
Speaker 2: surprise birthday party.
Speaker 1: Walked in the room. Surprise. She's like tears instantly.
Speaker 3: No, honestly, my my, oh my god. What is it
Speaker 3: when you're legally all had to drink in the States?
Speaker 3: One I turned to my twenty first birthday in college.
Speaker 3: I I was so excited to drink right and I
Speaker 3: and no one was around, Like I texted everyone like
Speaker 3: let's go, like I can buy us alcohol, and no
Speaker 3: one messaged back. Everyone was unavailable, busy or nothing, And
Speaker 3: so I went to the liquor store and I like
Speaker 3: a handle of gin alone because I knew how to
Speaker 3: make a gin and tonic because that's what my grandmother
Speaker 3: drinks and so i'd make those for her. And then
Speaker 3: I got wasted alone and then got one text from
Speaker 3: my roommate who brought me to like I don't know,
Speaker 3: above the library, and then all my friends were there
Speaker 3: with the cake and they're like, surprise, we didn't forget.
Speaker 3: But by that point I was so like devastated by
Speaker 3: everyone kind of like being unavailable and then drunk it
Speaker 3: kind of it kind of brought me to like a
Speaker 3: happy medium opposed to like the escalation of Like, so.
Speaker 2: There literally was a trauma, a surprise birthday trauma, and
Speaker 2: that's why you're traumatized by surprises. But you're saying it
Speaker 2: wasn't a trauma because it brought.
Speaker 3: You to a happy Yeah, I feel like that's not
Speaker 3: that's such like an American trauma, Like that's so like
Speaker 3: you forgot my brit Yeah. Yeah, not, it's so not
Speaker 3: a it's actually not drama at all.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. What if the trauma is that
Speaker 1: you succumbed to an American trauma. Wait, that's genius. You
Speaker 1: should write that down because you were like, I love this.
Speaker 2: I'm not like these stupid Americans, but oh my god,
Speaker 2: I feel trauma because of my surprise. Already I thought
Speaker 2: I was American college, but I'm as American as apple pie.
Speaker 3: Do you think I'm like a you think I give
Speaker 3: apple pie?
Speaker 1: No? But in that moment, in that moment, I would
Speaker 1: never ever say you give apple what dessert? Would you say,
Speaker 1: Martine gives? Oh this is interesting? Okay?
Speaker 3: Oh I think I know you know, well what desert?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think you will give like a
Speaker 2: sorbet that is a like a.
Speaker 1: Or like a minty flavor. You know what I'm getting? Anything?
Speaker 1: You know in like like in a chocolate commercial, the
Speaker 1: way they show chocolate like like doing this. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: sort of what I think of you as.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, see to me, it's like it's what it's
Speaker 2: minimalist one chocolate commercial.
Speaker 1: You're like the chocolate and a chocolate commercial that's being
Speaker 1: like still liquid yeah yeah, yeah, it's being shaped.
Speaker 2: You're mid shaped confection chocolate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're going opposite directions. You're going in a more.
Speaker 2: Like maximalist chocolate waves, whereas I'm thinking you are giant plate,
Speaker 2: a single scoop of mint, Sorbet get ready, leaf of
Speaker 2: mint leaf on the Wow.
Speaker 3: I do love mint. I do love chocolate, kind of chocolate.
Speaker 1: Dark dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I'm seeing like a spoon.
Speaker 1: Like for you, I'm really seeing a spoon. Whatever it
Speaker 1: is has to be eaten with. You give spoon. You're
Speaker 1: giving spoon and we're gagging on your spoon you're giving.
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
Speaker 2: You're giving little spoon with big spoon energy.
Speaker 1: So you're the little spoon.
Speaker 2: That's a tom Oh my god, that's real. You're little spooning.
Speaker 2: You're You're a power little spoon. Okay, so maybe now
Speaker 2: I want Sorbet.
Speaker 1: I know I'm right here. You should have a new
Speaker 1: drag character named Sorbet.
Speaker 3: Sorbet with the T I say the T though.
Speaker 1: Oh actually I like Sorbette with like T T at
Speaker 1: the end. No, that's very high.
Speaker 3: I'm Sorbette, Martine Sorbett. I do need a new last name.
Speaker 1: You think you're going to get a new last name.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to get married.
Speaker 1: Well to say so, then you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about what the last name is. It's going to be your.
Speaker 1: Do you not want to take your You don't want
Speaker 1: to take it? You just want to make up a
Speaker 1: new one.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It would have to be really good.
Speaker 1: I have to what's an what's an example of a
Speaker 1: good last name? Not necessarily one for you, but for anyone? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what makes the last name shine?
Speaker 3: I love alliteration? Oh, better and short like what like?
Speaker 3: Honestly like one to two syllables?
Speaker 1: Mint? Oh, Martin Mint.
Speaker 3: Martin Mint is successful, Yeah and beloved. Fresh.
Speaker 1: She's fresh, She's fresh. You love her breath before you
Speaker 1: see her. When you hear that Martin Mint is coming
Speaker 1: to town, you're like, oh my god, that's amazing. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen her.
Speaker 3: I would go to Spain. Yeah, I would go to Spain.
Speaker 1: Well that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, Martin Mint has a place in Spain.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Should we do that for a segments? Sure, Martin, I'm.
Speaker 3: I'll make you nervous. Well, yes, is this in the shot?
Speaker 1: Yeah? This is a video, This is a this is
Speaker 1: a piece. And if you think we're uncomfortable with silence,
Speaker 1: you're dead wrong. We actually love the stuff.
Speaker 3: That's my stomach.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, this is George. I'm in the process of
Speaker 2: editing the episode, and at this stage I feel the
Speaker 2: need to provide some context for those listening audio only
Speaker 2: and not getting the full video content. So basically, what
Speaker 2: just happened is Martin very slowly and intentionally picked up
Speaker 2: a glass of water and took a sip of water.
Speaker 2: And this is our reaction to that. That was a
Speaker 2: beautiful piece.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Martine.
Speaker 2: I'm working the moment Martin Mint's famous piece.
Speaker 3: Sip, Sip, sip.
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, sip changed the game. I remember where I
Speaker 2: was when I first.
Speaker 1: Sat Well, that's because we were both across from Martine.
Speaker 3: Actually, yes, yeah, there's like pre impost zip politically. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: She premiered it in Copenhagen, but in an empty room
Speaker 1: so no one saw it. One witnessed it. It was
Speaker 1: just you in an empty room.
Speaker 3: And not being seen. It's about a feeling. Yeah, sipping, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's about sipping.
Speaker 2: People always ask Martin you know what is sip about,
Speaker 2: and she's always been very adamant about this. It's about sipping,
Speaker 2: and people say, no, it's about globalization, it's.
Speaker 1: About it's about commercialism. It's about global flow.
Speaker 2: Of capital, neoliberal systems of waste management. Yes, and but
Speaker 2: but you've you have a very rigorously formalist approach. You
Speaker 2: say it is quite simply about the sip.
Speaker 3: I mean I haven't spoken about it really. Oh ever,
Speaker 3: I've never really would you like to speak on it now? No,
Speaker 3: that's not really what the work is about. It's about
Speaker 3: your what you bring to it, your perception.
Speaker 1: Wow, I guess it's each each person has a different
Speaker 1: ladership to sipping. That's true for me. It's about childhood innocence,
Speaker 1: of course, and the loss of it. Needles to say,
Speaker 1: because when you were a child, you sip with a straw.
Speaker 2: You know, when you were a child, you don't know
Speaker 2: if you were a breastfit And so I think maybe
Speaker 2: what it's bringing up for you is that you know
Speaker 2: you were sipping something I want you to remember, but
Speaker 2: you don't know from what or how, And you're afraid
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm afraid to send a text to my mom,
Speaker 1: And says was, I I can text her, text her
Speaker 1: do you want to give meat?
Speaker 3: So I am like, oh my god, I'm always texting
Speaker 3: people that I shouldn't be like people. But help on
Speaker 3: projects that it's like, how do you even have her number? Like,
Speaker 3: if there was someone who's supposed to get me here
Speaker 3: today and I had their number, I would be texting
Speaker 3: when I leave, like hey, this is Martine from from
Speaker 3: the radio, and they'd probably be like yeah, or they
Speaker 3: usually they don't respond.
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel?
Speaker 3: Makes me feel like I tried?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the person in charge makes me feel like doesn't
Speaker 1: respond a misunderstood rebel heart.
Speaker 3: It's like production, especially if they're cute. I'm always blurring
Speaker 3: the lines.
Speaker 1: When someone's holding a boom mic. It's really hard for
Speaker 1: me not to find them really hot.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, is it because like it's a posture thing or.
Speaker 1: It's a posture it's a type the type of man
Speaker 1: that would hold a boom mic like for a really
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, I'm like so strong, resilient, so resilient,
Speaker 1: so supportive, and plus sometimes the shirt goes up.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I gonna say, there's usually ass or
Speaker 3: it's like crack or belly, but it's one of the other.
Speaker 1: I'll take both, okay, But I never crossed the line,
Speaker 1: not yet. That's what everyone says.
Speaker 3: Yeah, TikTok, TikTok. I think tomorrow. I think tomorrow is
Speaker 3: going to be the day.
Speaker 1: What's tomorrow? I don't know, but Martine has a feeling.
Speaker 3: I mean, are you doing that big boom project tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing my my show Night of one Thousand Booms.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I'm auditioning. I'm I'm sort of
Speaker 1: trying to make boom mic holders get a chance in
Speaker 1: the spotlight. So I booked the Bell House and we're
Speaker 1: having uh, you know, eight minutes sads people to come
Speaker 1: out hold the boom mic. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, the people holding the actual boom mics necessary for
Speaker 2: the event are all weak gay guys. So it's to
Speaker 2: sort of flip the to flip the script. We have
Speaker 2: these you know, strong burly men on stage. They're holding
Speaker 2: fake boom mics, and then little twinkie gay guys are
Speaker 2: like holding the boom mics.
Speaker 3: That's kind of my time. Oh my god, I love
Speaker 3: I love twinks really really?
Speaker 1: Do you feel great? Question? Or just as pets.
Speaker 3: Just to have the furniture cars? Yeah, plants, No, I
Speaker 3: like them as as as objects well, of course I
Speaker 3: like to objectify them.
Speaker 1: Wow. They make it easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like asking they're just begging for it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the This is like the little little power
Speaker 3: spoon energy.
Speaker 2: You're doing no little spoon, little top power little spoon,
Speaker 2: little spoon.
Speaker 3: Is that does that make it? What is a twink
Speaker 3: in that?
Speaker 2: If you're doming a twink, they're like a butter knife. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't think too hard about it.
Speaker 1: It's like sip there's a salad fork. Oh, there's a
Speaker 1: salad fork. Yeah, okay, Martine, truth or dare.
Speaker 3: Oh you know it's gonna be there. Okay, I can't
Speaker 3: tell you anything.
Speaker 1: I dare you lick your notebook.
Speaker 3: This was on the This was on the train. That's right,
Speaker 3: everyone's watching. Just everyone knows it at home, everyone and
Speaker 3: everyone's watching. I don't want to do.
Speaker 1: It, okay, okay, and yet she's still holding Oh oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're bad.
Speaker 3: You That was nasty, but it was very rebel heart.
Speaker 1: That was very rebel heart.
Speaker 3: No, she wouldn't have done it. She would have.
Speaker 1: Pushed back Madonna.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one can tell her what to do.
Speaker 1: Well doesn't famously she hate to fact check.
Speaker 2: But of course the scene is that somebody doesn't do
Speaker 2: it and she does it.
Speaker 3: You're right, ask your.
Speaker 2: Question of the two works you have shown Sip and
Speaker 2: Licking the notebook, which was Sip and licks Sip and lick.
Speaker 2: Do you think sip or lick more kind of like
Speaker 2: encapsulated who you are as an artist. If you were
Speaker 2: to pick one work to put in the big ba,
Speaker 2: in the big Bianal, in the big Biale, would you
Speaker 2: do yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I I've been trying to get out
Speaker 3: of this box ever since I was born. So I
Speaker 3: would say nothing. Nothing can encapsulate.
Speaker 2: Whah oh, So you wouldn't pick either. You would say,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to participate in the big banal. A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 1: To be asked to participate in the in the of
Speaker 1: course we would all say no to the small bil of.
Speaker 2: Course, well, yes, I can't be contained in that box.
Speaker 2: But the bigger box sure, very reputable. That's sort of
Speaker 2: my approach to my career is I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be put in a little box slightly bigger one, of.
Speaker 1: Course, put me in. When's the movement date? Let me coach? Wow,
Speaker 1: should we do our first segment? Okay?
Speaker 2: So Martine our first and then after that we'll get
Speaker 2: into the straight topic. So your homework is going to
Speaker 2: pay off.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just aching.
Speaker 2: I really can't believe that Sip and Lick are both
Speaker 2: not going to be in the Big Banale.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what makes Martine such an
Speaker 1: interesting artist.
Speaker 2: You are one of the most, if not the most
Speaker 2: interesting artists I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: The first segment is called straight Shooters.
Speaker 2: In this segment, we test your familiarity with in complicity
Speaker 2: and straight culture by.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3: I see texting someone, I'm looking up.
Speaker 2: We're finding our list. So here's the thing, Martine. We're
Speaker 2: going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions.
Speaker 2: You have to choose this thing or this other thing.
Speaker 2: Don't think about it hard at all, just whatever your
Speaker 2: mind gravitated towards and then and that's it. And the
Speaker 2: one rule is you can't ask any follow up questions
Speaker 2: about how the game.
Speaker 1: Works, or we'll get really really Martine.
Speaker 3: I want to see upset whatever.
Speaker 1: Mumblecore or Dumbledore. Dumbledore Okay, democracy is under attack or
Speaker 1: damn Stacy, your mom's a snack.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I already I'm not doing it right. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: too much. It's okay to think democracy is under.
Speaker 1: Attack, I got the job or a fuck ass Bob.
Speaker 3: I really want to Bob?
Speaker 1: Okay looking expensive or smelling reprehensive, looking expensive object permanence,
Speaker 1: abject carelessness or Ultrecht in the Netherlands.
Speaker 3: That on. That one's a doocing. Yeah, I heard oliplexll.
Speaker 1: A plex final answer. Next question, Okay, Choo Choo train
Speaker 1: or Doo doo stain.
Speaker 3: Oh this is a good show. What was the first one? Train?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to repeat the second one? Okay? Girls?
Speaker 1: So confusing remix featuring Lord or Burr. It's so freezing
Speaker 1: it's gonna break the record. I like Lord period period. Okay,
Speaker 1: do re mi faso latito? Or did you watch I
Speaker 1: saw the TV glow? Mm hmmm do.
Speaker 3: Ray from doray mi faso latito?
Speaker 1: Love it beautiful? Not well?
Speaker 3: I try?
Speaker 1: I no, no, no, that sounds like someone who can sing.
Speaker 1: I think you can. When someone's like no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so singer.
Speaker 2: Your thought is like you want to say yes because
Speaker 2: you know you can, but then you're like, well they're
Speaker 2: going to ask me to.
Speaker 3: Say it's so embarrassing. It's like maybe one of the
Speaker 3: most embarrassing things you can.
Speaker 1: Should we all do it. Do you secretly think you
Speaker 1: should have been a pop star? Yes, well not so secret?
Speaker 2: Is that the big secret? Oh my god, secrets reveal
Speaker 2: about this? Oh okay, sorry, sorry, I know the one.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm familiar with Martin's whole ouvra. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course we all are. I mean I've seen the music videos.
Speaker 1: I have not seen the music videos.
Speaker 3: I took them down. I tried to take them down.
Speaker 3: At least there's some I can't take down.
Speaker 1: But and what you're lucky.
Speaker 3: I's gonna have to wait until it comes out of
Speaker 3: the vault.
Speaker 1: Oh see Martine Vault the retrospective.
Speaker 2: What about that is the last name Martine Vault.
Speaker 3: Martine Vault.
Speaker 1: Wow, that sounds really wealthy. Yeah, I love Martine Vault.
Speaker 1: Martine Vault is much more seriou is the Martin mint.
Speaker 2: Martin introduces herself Martin Vault doesn't even you know when
Speaker 2: she walks in, and you know that that's Madam Bolts.
Speaker 3: Madam Vault is locked in the vault. There's Swiss citizenship involved.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well, it's involves beautiful imagery because of how
Speaker 1: much is locked away, how many secrets are hidden in there.
Speaker 3: That is gorgeous.
Speaker 2: She has not spoken once until she writes her big
Speaker 2: memoir at the age of eighty seven called Unlocking the Vault.
Speaker 3: Dissolving, dissolving, dissolving, dissolving vault.
Speaker 2: Wow, to mix metaphors like that is so Martine vault
Speaker 2: can never have to have the metaphor locked and ready, locked,
Speaker 2: locked and loaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, But then instead of just saying like unlocking, opening
Speaker 2: to go, dissolving, revolving, is that is the Martine Martin Vault.
Speaker 1: And that is I would say even more, even more
Speaker 1: subversive than sip or lick is naming the book dissolving
Speaker 1: the You said you're uncomfortable. You're uncomfortable. Yeah, same more,
Speaker 1: let's explore that.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think I'm used to people like
Speaker 3: talking about me this much in front of me.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, we do that.
Speaker 2: And yet you know what I mean, you're gaining power
Speaker 2: as we're talking about and I can sense it.
Speaker 1: I think what you should do with the power is,
Speaker 1: you know, just wielded as ethically as you can. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe open up a school.
Speaker 3: The Vault school, the Vaults for girls, for dolls, for dolls,
Speaker 3: the Vault School dolls.
Speaker 1: It does sound like you're locking them away unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's we have to keep you. You have to
Speaker 3: keep the dolls safe, lock them away.
Speaker 1: We're doing this for your own good.
Speaker 3: Before the government artin.
Speaker 2: Vault has not spoken once in her life, but then
Speaker 2: suddenly she opens them Vault School for Dolls and publishes
Speaker 2: her memoir, dissolving the vault, and then she's disappeared again forever. Okay, Martine,
Speaker 2: I do I know you have your homework prepared, and
Speaker 2: I know we've edged you now for forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: so I think it's time. We want to know what
Speaker 2: straight topic have you brought and what makes it straight?
Speaker 1: Okay, and it's yeah, and before you almost said something
Speaker 1: like straight topics. So if there's that's fine, It's totally fine.
Speaker 1: It's so up to you. Yeah, we don't really have
Speaker 1: rules here, fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, it felt it felt like you had rules
Speaker 3: when I when I came in, Oh oh, like what
Speaker 3: take your shoes off, wash your hand? You made me
Speaker 3: change my pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't up to code.
Speaker 3: They weren't small enough.
Speaker 1: They didn't have enough reflective tape.
Speaker 3: You wanted velcro.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to see you at all times,
Speaker 1: require all our guests to be an head to toe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're stuck to that chair until until someone unpeels you. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the show's over. Let's come down. Unpeel the gus, unhook her,
Speaker 1: unhook her.
Speaker 3: I am, I feel like I got the assignment wrong.
Speaker 1: That's okay. How did you get it wrong?
Speaker 3: Like straight things and rulers perfect? Okay, grids perfect? So
Speaker 3: you mean like straight lines, column stripes, knives, knives have
Speaker 3: curved nails.
Speaker 1: Human nails or a nail that you hit.
Speaker 3: Rapt paper, all straight lines. Let's winning. M m oh,
Speaker 3: but you men sexuality wise like homosexual, heterosexual like colloquial
Speaker 3: is also known as straight. Why would you expect me
Speaker 3: to know anything about that?
Speaker 1: Sam Well through your years of study? Of course?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I did hear his fascinating wanting a husband to take
Speaker 2: his last name? That seems very straight.
Speaker 3: I said married. I would get married.
Speaker 2: Oh but it could be a man or a woman
Speaker 2: or anyone.
Speaker 1: It could be who what it.
Speaker 3: Could be who? What? Where? When?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 3: It could be they?
Speaker 1: It could be them.
Speaker 3: Sure, it could be whoa.
Speaker 1: Barton? Now an interest? See she's relationship.
Speaker 3: I'm open to phrase, I'm open to I'm just kind
Speaker 3: of open totally.
Speaker 1: Did I assume husband without it ever being mentioned? Yes? Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: talk about straight?
Speaker 3: I know? Are you both straight? No, we're LGBTQ plus
Speaker 3: LGBTQ plus. Do you know about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you have some friends.
Speaker 3: My mom's lgbt plus.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm half that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it only counts if it's your mom's side.
Speaker 3: It only counts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It gets transferred through the mom through the breast milk,
Speaker 2: through the breast milk. But if you weren't breastfed, then
Speaker 2: I guess you don't know, you're probably heterosexual.
Speaker 1: Well maybe some of the breast milk like leaked into
Speaker 1: the water supply. Oh how would that happen through through
Speaker 1: sewer systems? All right, so, Martine, you've brought fourth rulers, rulers, grids, stripes, knives.
Speaker 1: Now a knife is interesting, quite explore that. What about
Speaker 1: knife red as physically straight to you? Yeah? Because to me,
Speaker 1: because there is a straight side, but there's also the
Speaker 1: curved side.
Speaker 3: Why don't really think of many knives being like curved?
Speaker 1: Well that seems like erace. Youre on your you think
Speaker 1: knives are just one straight line.
Speaker 3: If you think about a knife, you think he was skewer.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe yeah, and no one perhaps a spear a spear.
Speaker 2: Arrow narrow, And I would say a sword is more straight, yeah,
Speaker 2: because both sides.
Speaker 1: Are you know. Well, but not all swords, of course. Well,
Speaker 1: of course many swords have a curve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I was saying, like a switch blade,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: See, not like an eating blade, not like a steak knife.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about the knives I haven't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, switch blades, Yeah, all.
Speaker 3: The switch blades I have around the house.
Speaker 1: I remember when you had you had us all over
Speaker 1: for steak one night, and and when you brought out
Speaker 1: the steak knives, they were just switch blades. I thought
Speaker 1: that was really cool. It was so so New York house.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. No, no, I'm sorry, No.
Speaker 1: I don't apologize. Are there you? I'm seen more? Are there?
Speaker 3: They're wrong? I crossed the out poles, I crossed out polls.
Speaker 3: I crossed out runways.
Speaker 1: Runways are very well.
Speaker 2: Not, I know, because runways can be can huh huh drants.
Speaker 1: Dang.
Speaker 3: I I have I have dated men straight men.
Speaker 1: Do you like it? Yeah? Do you like it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just it's just different.
Speaker 1: Sure, than women.
Speaker 3: Than women, and and twins and ferries.
Speaker 1: Have you dated a free Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How was that.
Speaker 3: Really fun? Really sweet? It was hard. They didn't want
Speaker 3: to leave the house.
Speaker 1: Were they outdoor trained? No?
Speaker 3: They it's like at home, it was it was like
Speaker 3: a double life. It was like living with a spy
Speaker 3: or something. It's like at home they could be themselves
Speaker 3: and you know, covered in fur. And then it just
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're worried about the being judged or something.
Speaker 1: How would you rank from gata, straight men, women, twinks, furrees?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I just wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 3: But it's all that's measuring. Oh did I say ruler?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling traumatized, like surprise birthday style.
Speaker 3: Because you're you're reflecting on yourself, Like.
Speaker 1: Can I ask your person? Are we how do you
Speaker 1: think we've been as hosts during this episode?
Speaker 3: Another measurement?
Speaker 1: Do you think we're obsessed with measuring?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, I guess it's true we are. But I don't
Speaker 1: consider it measuring. Consider it reflection.
Speaker 3: Reflection, Oh, reflection.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not looking for a number. I'm a looking
Speaker 1: between one and ten. I'm looking for a feeling.
Speaker 2: You're turned off by our lack of self possession. We
Speaker 2: are like that furry that's not able to go to
Speaker 2: the grocery store. You think we don't have rebel heart,
Speaker 2: and we don't think we don't have rebel hearts. You
Speaker 2: think we don't have ruble hearts. We know we have
Speaker 2: rebel hearts. Did you hear how comfortable we were with
Speaker 2: the silence? So rebel heart, I see what's going on here.
Speaker 2: You can walk in here our podcast and you're thinking,
Speaker 2: oh god, these guys, these.
Speaker 1: Guys are heart basic. They don't even have rebel hearts.
Speaker 1: They don't even know what it means. Oh, they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're doing a podcast on straight culture. They don't have
Speaker 1: reubele heart, they don't have rible hearts. I'll show them.
Speaker 1: I'll show them.
Speaker 2: I'll bring in avant garde topics that are straight literally
Speaker 2: instead of straight figuratively, and they won't even know what
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: I don't have to eat their hats.
Speaker 2: I'll do sip and I'll do lick and they'll have
Speaker 2: some stupid bullshit to say about it because I don't
Speaker 2: even get the point of my art. And now here
Speaker 2: they are asking me how they did you want to
Speaker 2: know how you did you did poorly. I'm Martine Vault
Speaker 2: and this has been.
Speaker 1: You want to say, you.
Speaker 3: Want to say, I'm really stressful When you say like that,
Speaker 3: this could be an amazing opportunity actually to do that yell?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you want to yell at us?
Speaker 3: No? I don't.
Speaker 1: What can we do to make you yellowt us? It's
Speaker 1: even more rude to not do it at this point.
Speaker 3: Well, usually people pay me to yellow.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I like a sex way.
Speaker 3: This is just just an exchanging of hands. Oh, it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be money. Could be diamonds. I have
Speaker 3: a granola bar in diamonds. What kind of watches that.
Speaker 1: I knew? Not to wear any jewels?
Speaker 2: Martine Vault only gets paid in diamonds.
Speaker 3: Yes, some kind of conflict diamond.
Speaker 1: Do you have any conflict diamonds?
Speaker 3: No? I don't usually wear jewelry.
Speaker 1: I have noticed. Is that true? Wow?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Is it because you just want to let.
Speaker 3: You have the metal detector? When I came in and
Speaker 3: they made me take everything off in the hallway.
Speaker 1: In the in the tunnel of Hits.
Speaker 3: In the Tunnel of Hits, there's a big one.
Speaker 1: To the style of ripping. No, we didn't do you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't.
Speaker 2: Do you find that jewelry like would take attention?
Speaker 1: You do? Great?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we take attention away from from the work. Innate
Speaker 2: from the work.
Speaker 3: From the work, Yeah, from.
Speaker 2: Sip and from safe and lick.
Speaker 3: It's like, let's focus on the work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the work. Yeah. Yeah, that's powerful because a lot
Speaker 1: of these artists to say, they come.
Speaker 2: No, they're going to the big, the big, They're going
Speaker 2: to the big banale. Literally bracelets head to toe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're wearing bracelets, just bracelets, various sizes everywhere, everywhere. God,
Speaker 1: but I do love a bracelet dress, of course I
Speaker 1: love Yes, No, I love a bracelet dress. And we're back.
Speaker 1: So this has been George. This has been This has
Speaker 1: been George. This has been George. And how are you feeling.
Speaker 1: I am feeling actually so relaxed. Yea.
Speaker 2: And when I realized that I was being power little spooned,
Speaker 2: I said, finally I can relax because I no longer
Speaker 2: have to carry I no longer have to lead this conversation.
Speaker 2: I can just observe a master, a mistress at work.
Speaker 2: And as a long time fan, you know, people often
Speaker 2: ask me what icons do I still look up to
Speaker 2: and to me. I think it goes back to Martine Vault.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think her early work was instrumental in my coming
Speaker 2: out and in my wanting to pursue the arts. And
Speaker 2: then I think her thirty year absence was when I
Speaker 2: grew as an artist. And now that she's back with
Speaker 2: the memoir and of course the Vault School for dolls it,
Speaker 2: I think it has empowered me to be more of
Speaker 2: a rebel heart too.
Speaker 1: Wow. How about you?
Speaker 3: Hmmm?
Speaker 1: I wish I had such clarity. You know. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people do, but a few of us do.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the vault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling like I'm in the vault, but it's
Speaker 1: not like a sort of fancy vault. I'm in a
Speaker 1: vault that's like cobwebs and old books. You think so,
Speaker 1: And I'm a little like, get me out of here?
Speaker 3: Wow? Long does this go? We could we could go anywhere.
Speaker 1: We're in New York, the biggest vault of all. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we should step out in Times Square and
Speaker 1: take time.
Speaker 3: And get lunch and get lunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hungry, No, same, Yeah, well it is lunchtime,
Speaker 1: that's true. They don't tell you that at the Vault.
Speaker 3: I have something to tell you.
Speaker 1: Can you say it now?
Speaker 3: No? No?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, before we go to lunch, should we do
Speaker 2: our final segment at the Vault, Yes, Martine Madam Vault.
Speaker 2: Our final segment is called shout outs.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Now. In this segment, we pay homage to the great
Speaker 1: straight tradition of the radio shout out.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: So think about like shouting out to your squad back home.
Speaker 1: You're on the radio. You're giving a shout out to
Speaker 1: something you like.
Speaker 3: My town doesn't have any radios.
Speaker 1: Your town, New York? The Vault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mild down, New York, mizzled down.
Speaker 1: I uh, that's g I'm joker. That's old.
Speaker 3: Did you see that?
Speaker 1: But we can still infer, did you?
Speaker 3: I did. I have a lot of opinions about it.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about them at lunch lunch, God forbid we
Speaker 1: share it.
Speaker 3: Now, come to lunch for the other for the other show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lunch lab, lunchio lab where we talk all things lunch.
Speaker 3: We got our lunch on I I.
Speaker 1: We'll do our shoutouts first so you can see. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, am I afraid to get it wrong?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 3: What? Am I?
Speaker 1: Like? I could not see that being at all possible
Speaker 1: to think so.
Speaker 3: Oka good.
Speaker 2: No, you just have to channel your channel, your inner
Speaker 2: vault and channel channer channer your in.
Speaker 1: It's like a goosebumps.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well before I don't have radio in your town. Okay, Sam,
Speaker 1: do you have one? I can do one. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: go for it, Okay, I might.
Speaker 2: I might lean into the vault of it all more
Speaker 2: vault heavy shout out, good evening Vault residents.
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to Siggy's Yogurt.
Speaker 1: You know, for the longest time, I have been a
Speaker 1: fai ye Greek yogurt girl. I have said I'm going
Speaker 1: to support my culture, Greek culture, and support a Greek
Speaker 1: owned company. But recently I rediscovered Siggi's Icelandic yogurt and
Speaker 1: specifically the Asie and berry flavor. We're talking fifteen grams
Speaker 1: of protein, workup mama, and I am having one every
Speaker 1: day before I leave the house. It is delicious, it
Speaker 1: is custardy, it is the exact great texture and consistency,
Speaker 1: and I am absolutely living for it every day of
Speaker 1: my young life. Thank you. I would like to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to Martine. Yes, I have known you
Speaker 1: for a while, and you have always surprised me and
Speaker 1: in so many different ways, and in a way I
Speaker 1: love you, know, following your journey and saying oh wow,
Speaker 1: oh wow, oh wow. And it's always brought me great
Speaker 1: joy to observe, to watch and to run into you
Speaker 1: even at a party and say, oh my gosh, and
Speaker 1: Martin was there. God, I say that all the time.
Speaker 1: I say, and Martin was there. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: addicted to it, and I want to say that the
Speaker 1: way that you I've known you for a long time,
Speaker 1: and yet you are a mystery. And this podcast I
Speaker 1: was like, the mystery will be solved. And of course,
Speaker 1: what a fool I was and am. The mystery will
Speaker 1: never be solved. And I should stop trying to open
Speaker 1: the vault and just embrace the vault is locked.
Speaker 3: I'm so I couldn't pay attention because you were texting during.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: I was distracted.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry. I was opening my own personal vaults.
Speaker 3: That's so beautiful yoga.
Speaker 1: The yogurt yoga is so beautiful. Yeah, well, you weren't
Speaker 1: paying attention to Sam's but the yogurt was really Congrats
Speaker 1: on the yogurt. Yeah, and I'm sorry. I was I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I was texting apologized to me and my defense
Speaker 1: it was really important.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I bet.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now if you have.
Speaker 2: I won't text during yours and I'm going to make
Speaker 2: direct eye contact the entire time for me as well.
Speaker 3: I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: Of the drama of fakes and the Yeah, just like
Speaker 1: every day totally, I'm just the bullshit of the industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like this town getting through this town falls town. God,
Speaker 3: I want to shout out my locksmith, yeah for showing
Speaker 3: me how to break into my apartment using your credit
Speaker 3: card because now I don't have to pay to hire
Speaker 3: him back. In a way, it was so generous because
Speaker 3: it like dissolved his his job.
Speaker 1: Like like filmmakers getting really into AI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like artists just it's really musing AI all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the same. It's exactly the same. If we were to.
Speaker 1: Measure the two, I would you're catching on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm learning how to do this. You're teaching me.
Speaker 1: You're don't us. We know what you're we know what.
Speaker 3: I would love to shout out Brooklyn Ball Factory.
Speaker 1: What did they make there?
Speaker 3: They make balls? They make rice balls. Ony giddy, so good,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the spicy salmon. Honestly, the on all
Speaker 3: of them, all of them.
Speaker 1: Well, did they have a Times Square location?
Speaker 3: They just opened up a new spots. There's the og
Speaker 3: which is in Williamsburg, and I think they just opened
Speaker 3: up a new location and somewhere in the city, but
Speaker 3: I haven't been there yet. But they're so cute. Everyone
Speaker 3: that works there is so cute. And I sometimes when
Speaker 3: I miss home, I go there.
Speaker 1: Will Martine, this has been a really interesting episode. Oh no,
Speaker 1: do you think you'll submit this episode for the Big
Speaker 1: B and aal as you're trying to reinvent yourself and
Speaker 1: trying to move past sip and lick. No podcast ends now.
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