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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: fifty seven, and today I'm joined by Justin Hollandsworth of

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Speaker 1: White Tail Addictions TV to discuss high risk, high reward

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Speaker 1: tactics that lead to d I Y deer hunting success

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Speaker 1: and much more. All Right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Onyx. My guest today is Justin Hollandsworth.

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Speaker 1: He is a serious dear nut from Central Ohio, a

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Speaker 1: member of the White Tail Addictions TV team, and I

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Speaker 1: think this is fair to say, a disciple of the

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Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto school of deer hunting. And Justin like

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Speaker 1: Andre and a whole bunch of others who have kind

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Speaker 1: of come out of this coaching tree. Maybe you could

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Speaker 1: Justin is a mobile deer hunter who makes aggressive moves

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Speaker 1: when needed to get in tight on big mature deer.

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Speaker 1: So today I wanted to dig into what makes Justin tick,

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Speaker 1: why he does what he does how exactly he is

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Speaker 1: having such consistent deer hunting success year after year, And

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Speaker 1: I think this stuff, while in his case is being

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Speaker 1: applied to trying to kill a big old buck, it

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Speaker 1: could also help you if you're trying to kill any buck,

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Speaker 1: or if you're trying to kill your first two year

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Speaker 1: old buck, or whatever it is your goal is, these

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Speaker 1: things can help you. And let me tell you this

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Speaker 1: is a good one. Justin's got a great perspective and

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Speaker 1: I think I think he just effectively is able to

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Speaker 1: share his thought process from past hunts in a very

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Speaker 1: helpful way. But probably the biggest takeaway, if if I

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Speaker 1: had to drill down to just one thing for me

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Speaker 1: in this episode, it was Justin's repeated suggestion. He kept

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Speaker 1: on reminding us that we need to sometimes go beyond

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Speaker 1: the normal routine. We sometimes have to push outside of

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Speaker 1: our comfort zone, whether that's by trying completely new tactics,

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Speaker 1: going to new places, or maybe just pushing in further

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Speaker 1: we would. And that, my friends, I think is a

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Speaker 1: really good piece of advice. So I'd say we should

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Speaker 1: line is Justin Hollandsworth. Justin Welcome to the show. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm glad that we

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Speaker 1: can have this chat. It's uh, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: it is for you, But I'm thinking about dear all

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Speaker 1: year long, probably every day there's something I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: what TRUP do. Yeah. So, UM, I growing up in Ohio,

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Speaker 1: But UM, I've been involved with UM UM Lone Wolf

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I've not shot a Pope and Young

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Addiction Show. So that's UH. That's what

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Speaker 1: show up because I waited for the wind that worked

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00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: for me? Um? What what was the scenario for you?

431
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: It was kind of one of those you know, one

432
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: of those winds where you're you're splitting the hairs. And

433
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: I've always you know, Roger Roth I wrote about that

434
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: in his books and in his book White Tail Magic

435
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: years ago, and um, you know, it was hunting that

436
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: edge wind and um, and you know, I call it

437
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: flirting with disaster. That's what I call it, because you're

438
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: on the edge of making it happen or not. And

439
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: that was the wind that I had had. There was

440
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: a little more of On the first two nights that

441
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: I came out, it was a little more of a

442
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: southeast to it, and the night that I that I've

443
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: killed him, it was more a little more of the

444
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: south southwest. So he still had it. I think he

445
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: had that false sense of security and and the confidence

446
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: of moving through that area. But I was just, you know,

447
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I was just on that edge and just flirting with

448
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: disaster basically, And then it worked. That That taught me

449
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: a lot, right then, Yeah, on the wind perspective. You're saying, Yeah,

450
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: that that really like opened my eyes, Um, because I

451
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: had heard that before and then I when I read

452
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: that in Rogers book, Um, it made sense, you know.

453
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, yeah, I get that. I

454
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: was always just like bumping that deer out of that

455
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: bed that time. I was always nervous about I was

456
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: always too nervous about getting busted. And I think that's

457
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: the biggest problem. You know, Sometimes you have to get uncomfortable.

458
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: And I guess what I mean is you have to

459
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: you have to use some of those strategies and get

460
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: out of your comfort little box that we all like

461
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: to get and and stay in. And and sometimes that

462
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: that just hurts you. Um, as far as trying to

463
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: kill big deer, you have to try some new things. Yeah.

464
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: But man, like you said, you are flirting with a disaster,

465
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: and and how many times do you do it where

466
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: it is disaster and it's not. You know, That's the

467
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: tough thing is that it is it's so hard to

468
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: pull off. I constantly, I constantly find myself trying to

469
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: do that same thing. But it's right, It's it's easier

470
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: said than done in most cases. Um, because there's there's

471
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: so many little things that can go wrong, and you

472
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: have to have everything go right to get that shot.

473
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you could pick the right wind. You could

474
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: pick it so he feels comfortable coming out. You could

475
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: pick it so that you don't think he's gonna pass

476
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: where your wind is blowing, and you could still be

477
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: in a position where he'll come through and think he's safe,

478
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: but he won't realize you're there within shooting range. But

479
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: then one dough could do the wrong thing and she

480
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: slips there and blows everything out. I mean, how do you, like,

481
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: what are some of the things you do to try

482
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to minimize that risk. I don't know. I'm constants. It's

483
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: a constant struggle for me, Like are there any tricks

484
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: you've found? Are there any things that you're thinking about,

485
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: like to take it to the next step to actually

486
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: make that flirty with disaster work More times than not,

487
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: I think it's more of just one big thing is

488
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: structure and terrain. Um those things will you know, and

489
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: maybe you have some fallen trees, or maybe there's a

490
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: big you know, uh, drop off from a creek, or

491
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: or maybe it's a pond or what you know, those

492
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: things help a lot when when you can use some

493
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, and and then other times it's um,

494
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: cross your fingers and hope this works, because sometimes it's

495
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: a one shot deal. And there's been times where I've

496
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: had deer come in where the gig is up but

497
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: my arrows already coming. Yeah, it's he's he's gonna bust

498
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: your right when you shoot him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

499
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: just being right on that edge of of you know,

500
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: blowing it all up. I killed I killed a deer. Um.

501
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: It's been I don't know, probably seven eight years ago.

502
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: He's actually on one of our White Teledictions episodes and um,

503
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: he's a big white ten and he had some split

504
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: brows and a little like drop or something at the

505
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: at one of his basis that deer. I knew of

506
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: that deer for a couple of years and and the

507
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: night that I decided, okay, this is it. I'm going

508
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: in to kill this deer tonight. Um, I had Can

509
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I put time out on you? Yeah, all right, I'm

510
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: a jerk for doing this, But you gotta tell me

511
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: before you keep going. You gotta tell me how you

512
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: knew it was the night to go kill him? Okay, well,

513
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: I was watching some cameras and and I just kind

514
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: of I stayed out. And that's the other thing. You

515
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: just you have to be patient, you know. You you

516
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: only have just a couple shots at at these bucks sometimes,

517
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: and and I just kind of set back and kind

518
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: of let my cameras do the work. And then there

519
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: was a lot of times too, like I would just

520
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: maybe glass from far see if the deer was coming

521
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: out to the field or whatever, but he was he

522
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: was never actually had a food plot in there, and

523
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: he was never he was never making into that food

524
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: plot until after dark. Well, I'd seen I'd stepped back

525
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: from observation stand and I could see some big rubs

526
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: that were coming out, and I had a general idea

527
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: just knowing the property about where the deer was. Well,

528
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: I went in there and just poked around one day

529
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: and there was a couple There was a hedge apple

530
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: tree in there, and there was a pear tree. And

531
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: that pear tree has never dropped any pairs since that day.

532
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is on that that tree,

533
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: but it was loaded that year and and I just thought,

534
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: he's he's staging up in here, he's hanging out before

535
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: he makes it the rest of the way out. But

536
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: what I noticed from the camera, like when he had

537
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: a win that was not in his favor, he was

538
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: showing up to three hours after dark. When he had

539
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: a win in his favor, he was making making it

540
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: in there and shooting and shooting light. And this was

541
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: like October eight or so October nine, and I just

542
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of hung out and just kind of waited for

543
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: this to happen, and the deer not showed up. He

544
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: had a couple of days in a row where he

545
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: showed up well after dark and the wind was switching.

546
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if the wind switches that direction, he

547
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: might show up in early. And I'm like, I just

548
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: have to take a chance because he'll have that wind

549
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: to his advantage as long as it doesn't lay down

550
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: too much in the evening to create that swirl, because

551
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I swear once you get under five miles an hour,

552
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: it's like and you just don't know. I mean, you're

553
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: really risking a lot. I slid in there, hung my set,

554
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and that that was the only deer I've seen that

555
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: whole entire evening, and he came out, and I probably

556
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: watched that deer for eighty yards or so, And I'm

557
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: not kidding you. He literally would walk five yards, stop, listen,

558
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: look around, and just repeat. And he did that for

559
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: eighty yards. Like he absolutely wore me out. How was

560
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: so you you mentioned that the wind had shifted to

561
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: be in his favor? Can you use that as an

562
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: example to talk about how you positioned your stand because

563
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: young hung a new set that day. It sounds like, so,

564
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: how did you how did you use the way you

565
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: thought he would use the wind and the way you

566
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: were to use the wind to make it work? Like

567
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: what was this paint that picture? I guess so I had, um,

568
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: so where the apple and where the apple and pear

569
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: tree the apple tree was, there wasn't very many apples

570
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: in their left on that there's a ton of parents left.

571
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: There was two big blowdowns, and I felt like he

572
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't come behind those blowdowns, um, just because he would

573
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: end up, um, he would lose too much of of

574
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: control of being able to scent check something for danger.

575
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: So I got myself just on the one side of

576
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: those where it was going to kind of force him

577
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: to come up and around. But you know, but just

578
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: where it was almost like where those blowdowns where like

579
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: my son, my son was going to go right down

580
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: those blowdowns and he was just gonna come right through

581
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: the front. Now, obviously that's what I played in my

582
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: head and thought was gonna work. It did work that way,

583
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: but it doesn't always. Um, And and it kind of

584
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: forced him to come right around. And at one point

585
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: I the deer almost acted like and maybe with me

586
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: being a little paranoid from watching him that long, but

587
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: it almost seemed like he caught a little bit of me. Um.

588
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: But then he calmed back down and then and then

589
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: moved through. So that structure kind of kind of helped

590
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: that deer kind of it forced him through where I

591
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: wanted him. Um, It's that makes sense, yeah, and it does.

592
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things. Um, I'm always looking

593
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: for that. And when you find something like if it's

594
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: the blowdowns, or if it's a river or a creek

595
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: or a big drop off ditch or something like that,

596
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: it's great. And then I just it seems like, for

597
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: whatever reason, with my luck, whenever I want to find

598
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: something like that, I'm in like the most wide open

599
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: flat terrain with nothing special, It's gonna help me work

600
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: it out. In too many doughs or something like that.

601
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: So that's, uh, it's it's always tricky, but that that puzzle,

602
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: I guess is what what makes it so interesting. Yeah,

603
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: because you never know, I mean, and you have to

604
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: you have to try stuff, and you have to be

605
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, trust me, I've I've blown. I've blown some

606
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: pretty good opportunities or or um, you know, I've gotten

607
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, busted before they ever, you know, made it

608
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: to me to be able to get a shot. But um,

609
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: if you don't take any chances ever, you're you're you're

610
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: taking a lot of opportunities away from yourself from filling tags. Well,

611
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: it seems like that's something that's kind of consistent with

612
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: with some of the guys that that you that you

613
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: hang out with. It seems like, I mean, for example,

614
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: andre Quisto, he's one of those people that a lot

615
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: of us have listened to some of the things he

616
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: said that that sounded like super aggressive, you know, going

617
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: there and like like you like he told you that

618
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: one day, like going there and blow him out of

619
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: his bed, or you know the infamous bumping dump kind

620
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: of tactic that I've heard him talk about. Um, I

621
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: mean his that has has that mindset is that something?

622
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: Is that a mindset that he has helped you developed too?

623
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Or or or how do you or or Andre or

624
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: any of those guys? How do you? How do you?

625
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm trying to stay here. Just

626
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to say, is how do you

627
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: walk that line? How do you know when to get aggressive?

628
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: How do you do it the right way? I don't

629
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: know what's your thoughts on that general issue. So I think, Um,

630
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: I never I don't get aggressive, like right off the bat.

631
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, I let some things kind of happen. And

632
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: if I can kill a deer on an edge of

633
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: a field or a food plot or whatever it may,

634
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: maybe you know, I'll go the safer route. Um. But

635
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: I also I also get a little bit of I know,

636
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: sometimes I only have two or three hunts, and I

637
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: gotta you know, I just know that a deer is

638
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna figure me out. Um. I've I've got down out

639
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: of a tree before and stuck a trail camera right

640
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: on a tree before in video mode, just to see. Man,

641
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: you know what, I wonder if he's deer, you know,

642
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: you see a big dough and she cuts your tracks

643
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: and she and she trails you like a coon dog

644
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: right through the tree. I always wonder, like at night,

645
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: turey I leave, does this happen? And I've I've stuck

646
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: a camera on a tree before, and and pad dear

647
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: that I was that I was hunting at the time,

648
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: trail me to my tree breaking. Yeah, So you're like, so,

649
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: I you know, it's all situational. You have to follow

650
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: your gut of when to get aggressive or when to

651
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: set back and try to hunt those edges and and

652
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: let things happen that way. Um. I the rut. You know,

653
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: by the time I get to October or so, I

654
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: start getting antsy like a big old buck because I'm like,

655
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: oh god, I don't have that deer down yet. And

656
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I start getting a little like I know what's going

657
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: to happen. He's going to he's gonna get up on

658
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: his feet and he's going to start searching other properties.

659
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Somebody else is gonna kill him, get by a car. Um.

660
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: So when I start getting at that time frame, UM,

661
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'm just like I'm just gonna

662
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: go for broke. You know, I screwed up and screwed

663
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: up because he's gonna leave the property and be all

664
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: over the place anyways, So it's it's either now or never.

665
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: When's the last time ahead? So that no, I was

666
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: just I was just gonna say, so sometimes that's when

667
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: that's when that kind of triggers me to to get

668
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: much more aggressive and and start trying to kill those

669
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: deer more in their bedrooms. So I was gonna say,

670
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: when's the last time you swung for the fences like that?

671
00:39:50,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: And it paid off. Um actually this past year. Ah,

672
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: It's funny because uh myself and uh Andre and Cody

673
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: and a few of us have talked about this before.

674
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know where this was ever, wherever this was

675
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: wrote and why this ever become a big, you know,

676
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: hot topic, but of not Honey Mornings in October it

677
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you can't do that, you know. It's

678
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: like somebody said that, and that was like, and I

679
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: think there's some truth to that, but I also think that, um,

680
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: you can. You can kill a good buck two in

681
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: the mornings. And this past year, the deer that I

682
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: that I was hunting and he got really he you know,

683
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: I sat back and all of a sudden, I just

684
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I see this, dear, and he's getting super active in

685
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: the morning. And it was like mid October cameras, you're

686
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: seeing that. Yeah, yeah, just from trail cameras. And I

687
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: see this, dear, and he's just he's getting super active

688
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: in the morning and I and I typically would probably

689
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: wait a little bit, but I'm like, you know what

690
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: that cameras, I mean, it's not lying to you. I mean,

691
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: this deer is walking in broad daylight in the mornings,

692
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: and and he was working some scrapes um next to

693
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: a little food plot that I had, and um, yeah,

694
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: and there was another one of those times is like

695
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: this is this is when you've got to be aggressive

696
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: and like come out of your your comfort zone and

697
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: get in there and try to kill the deer. And

698
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: I went in there and I hunted the deer one

699
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: time and killed him. Um. So, so those morning hunts

700
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: in October, like you said, notoriously taboo, and and like

701
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: you said, it seems like sometimes for a good reason,

702
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: because they can be tricky. I've been really gun shay

703
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: about that tour, about those mornings too, But it seems

704
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: like if you if you've got the right situation and

705
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: you do the right things, you can pull it off

706
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: without spooking him on the way in or whatever. Can

707
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: you can you just how you actually got in there

708
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: and set up without blowing them out, because it's just

709
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: so many times as mature bucks seemed to come back. Now,

710
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: I know your cameras are telling you he wasn't coming

711
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: back early, But how did you get in there? Was

712
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: it a hanging hunt in the morning? How did you

713
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: pull all that off? So it was a hanging hut

714
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: in the morning. Um. And I was actually set up

715
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: in a big pine tree, and so my access in

716
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: that place is is really really good. Actually, I jump,

717
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I jump a fence and walk with the horses in there.

718
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: And these horses, these horses will typically like walk right

719
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: with me in there, so it kind of, you know,

720
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: it kind of covers up everything that's going on. And

721
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: I just walk with the horses all the way down.

722
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: And then I just jumped the fence and it's literally

723
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: from where the horses are to that tree is thirty

724
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: arts maybe, and I can slide right in and get

725
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: set up. Um. And you know, I only use a

726
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: couple of sticks because with those you know, those pine trees,

727
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: there's so many branches and and um, so I end

728
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: up using a bunch of branches and stuff like that,

729
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of that time and then

730
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: just throw the stand in. So the access, you know,

731
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: the axis is so so key in that spot and

732
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: being able to to get in there um in the morning.

733
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: If that deer was doing that on another farm where

734
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have that kind of access, I don't know,

735
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, I might have thought different. I might have said, Okay,

736
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: well let me see, I'll let things develop more for

737
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: the evenings. But that moon phase, UM, which I'm a

738
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: pretty big believer in the moon in the moon phase

739
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: of dictating a lot of deer when they when they moved,

740
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I think weather trump's everything. But uh, you know, coming

741
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: off of that full moon, UM, on the back side

742
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: of those full moons, seemed like the mornings are just

743
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: really good and they're just really the deer just really active.

744
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what was going on that morning. And

745
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: and I do believe that's what had him on his feet,

746
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: UM because prior to that, probably five six days prior

747
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: to that, the we had a good rising moon and

748
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: he and and he got real active for like two

749
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: days um in the in the evenings, and I was

750
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: out of town on a work trip and I had

751
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: a cell came in there and it was taken and

752
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting these pictures and I'm like, oh my gosh,

753
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm about to leave this work trips. The downside of

754
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: those cell cameras, Yeah, d your nuts. So I know so,

755
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I just couldn't you know the fact

756
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: that every all the kids. And the other thing too,

757
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: was it was one of the it was one of

758
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: the first good cold fronts of October. And those first

759
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: cold fronts of October, like that first one, that's just

760
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: always killer. So you gotta you gotta elaborate on your moon,

761
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: on your moon and stuff a little bit more. Do

762
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: you feel do you pretty much follow the Red Moon

763
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: Moon Guide uh theory verbatim? Or do you have any

764
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: kind of angles on it that make you particularly excited

765
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: about certain days or times or anything like that. How

766
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: do you use that? You know, I do believe in

767
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: that whole. I do believe in the Moon Guide and

768
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: all that. I do think there's a lot of truth

769
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: in that. And Adam Hayes that actually he was turned

770
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: turned me onto it years ago. Oh when White Televiicitions

771
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: was you know, first starting off, and I remember, you know,

772
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: that being brought up then and um, I think you

773
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: have about four days four to five days prior to

774
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: a full moon that is just killer in the evenings,

775
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: and then there's about a three day span um when

776
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: that full moon is going on it just doesn't seem

777
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: to be that great. And then you got about four

778
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: or five probably four days um roughly after that full moon,

779
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: and it just seems like the evening or the mornings

780
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: are just really really good. And I like when when

781
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: you're coming off the back side of that full moon,

782
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great time to slip in and

783
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: hunt a buck in a bed, just because they're gonna

784
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: be getting back late and you have you actually have

785
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: a chance of getting in there and beating them in

786
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: and and um and killing them on the way back. End. Yeah,

787
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: it seems like it seems um that that approach right

788
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: there with the moon is just another one of those

789
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: sets of criteria that points right back to what we're

790
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, like when do you swing for the fences?

791
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: When do you not? And you mentioned sometimes the trail

792
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: camera data, sometimes it's the moon, or sometimes, like you

793
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: said earlier, weather Trump's all but best case scenarios when

794
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: all three combined, right, Like when you see all those

795
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: things all meshing and pointing towards Wow, tomorrow, all these

796
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: things line up. That's at least for me, when I

797
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: get like the jitters, I can't sleep the night before,

798
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: when I'm getting geared up that day, I'm just like pumped.

799
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm already sweating, Like those are the Knights, Like I know,

800
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: this is the killing Knight, this is the killing day,

801
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Um, those are my very favorite parts

802
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: of the season. When you have that anticipation and I

803
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of things that you just said there too,

804
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: it's at confidence. You're going into that hunt with that confidence.

805
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: And I think when you're confident and you're set up

806
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: and you're scouting, I think that's just so I don't know,

807
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: you're as a mindset and it just it just puts

808
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: you in the game. Um, because if you're setting there

809
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: and your second guess and your stuff yourself, then you

810
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: probably should get down. Yeah, that's not a good place

811
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: to be that mindset you mentioned. That's that's an interesting thing. Um.

812
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you've had tremendous amount of consistent success. Uh,

813
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: your buddies like Andre or Heath or Cody or Adam has.

814
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: All these guys are all consistently getting it done. Um,

815
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: and in a lot of different places too. So it's

816
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: not like you can't just say, oh, it's just because

817
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: they hunted acre farm with huge bucks all time. You're

818
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: getting done different kinds of places in somewhat different kinds

819
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: of ways. I gotta believe mindset is one of the

820
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: things that's probably consistent within you know, a lot of

821
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: you guys. If you had to kind of describe some

822
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: aspects of what that mindset is or what some of

823
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: these consistent things are that that maybe you and your

824
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: buddies all have in common, that you've learned from Andre

825
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: or anything, that what would you think those things are

826
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: that kind of set those elite deer hunters apart from

827
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: your average ho home. Um. I think just having so

828
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: much confidence and you're scouting that you just truly believe

829
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: in your head that when you go in, you don't

830
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: you never just sit to sit, Like when you go

831
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: and you set you truly believe that you're going to

832
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: kill the deer that you're after that night. Um. I'm

833
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: so I'm a busy guy, um with work and family

834
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: and everything, and like I don't you know, you know,

835
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: I have a young son and and I don't want

836
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: to miss out on some of those things, you know,

837
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: with my family and stuff like that, because I'm just

838
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: going out to set to set when I I when

839
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I go to set, I go to kill. And I

840
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: think that's exactly the way that those guys think about

841
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: it as well. They have done every bit of scouting

842
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: that they can possibly think of doing and put a

843
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: lot of different factors in their favor, from the wind

844
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 1: to the moon to a cold front or all those

845
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: things that when they go in, I think all I

846
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: think every one of those guys, as you mentioned, I

847
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: think they go in and I'm killing the steer tonight,

848
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: and that's it. So that's scouting. How do you? How

849
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: do you? How do you scout the right way to

850
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: get you to that point? How do you? What are

851
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: some of the things that you're doing? And I know

852
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: you've mentioned some of that already, but if you had

853
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: to like describe how to scout in such a way

854
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: to give you that bulletproof confidence, what are some of

855
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: those very most important things? Because I think when people

856
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: here scouting, your new hunter might think, oh, walk through

857
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: the woods, and if I see a rub cool, I'm

858
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna hunt that. But then when I talked to some

859
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: of those elite hunters, it's a different level. I'm kind

860
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: of curious what that different level looks like for you.

861
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: You know. Typically, Well, if I'm speaking of here at

862
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: home in Ohio, UM, I put a lot of eggs

863
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: in my back in that basket of shooting a good

864
00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: buck in October or late season. I am not shot

865
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks in November here. I just haven't.

866
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: I haven't had a lot of luck with it, and

867
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: that I tend to to leave and go out of

868
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: out of state. But I do so much in regards

869
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: to learning the deer that i'm that I'm after a

870
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of times. I know of these bucks for several years.

871
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: The buck I killed this past year, I knew for

872
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: three years. The deer that I killed in two thousand

873
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: and eighteen, I knew of that buck for four years.

874
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of information. And I think,

875
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys do these days, keeping very

876
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: detailed troll camera records, paying close to attention to dates. Um,

877
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: I tend to see a lot of deer, uh do

878
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: the same things and the same dates on the same locations. UM.

879
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: And I also look for that sign that was left

880
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: from the year before, and in as far as maybe

881
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: it's big rubs or maybe it's at one scrape that

882
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: got opened back up again, UM, and knowing that that

883
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: deer had did that same thing the year before, and

884
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: UM and knowing my farms UM to be able to

885
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: manipulate that situation to use all those all those scouting

886
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: tools against that deer. UM. If that makes sense. I mean,

887
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of the way I do it. I use

888
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: a lot of cameras. I think last year. I think

889
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: I ran about cameras last year and how many unlike

890
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: a I don't know if we're saying, ah, per hundred

891
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: acres or per forty acres or something like that, Like

892
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: what kind of density of cameras in a small area

893
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: do you run, um, say it's a fifty acre farm,

894
00:53:55,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: I might have you know, maybe before okay, maybe four

895
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: or five something like that. And some of those cameras

896
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: that I put out, and you know, some of them

897
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: I put out like really early, and I just I

898
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: don't a lot of times they just soaked and I

899
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: never go in there and mess with them or anything,

900
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: just because of where maybe they're at UM, depending on

901
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: the situation. UM. And then I will at the you know,

902
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: seasons over, I'll go in there and pull that SD

903
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: card and then UM and dig and dig through it

904
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: and start building the folder for you know, certain books

905
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: and what they were doing and at certain times and

906
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, it's something that I've done a

907
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: little bit and trying to do more of two. But

908
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: it brings up a good question or something that I

909
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: wondered a lot about, which is UM doing what you're

910
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: describing there when you are targeting a specific buck and

911
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: trying to learn that buck and kind of build up

912
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: that portfolio of information like you described something like I've

913
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: kind of fallen into a rut a little bit with

914
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: my cameras where I know this, this is some properties

915
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: that I know already. I know good places to get pictures.

916
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: I kind of use them just to keep tabs on

917
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: kind of inventory of are these bucks still around? They're

918
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: They're safe spots to get to. I can easily come

919
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: in and out. I'm not blowing things up, UM, But

920
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: I have not used cameras as much to try to

921
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: micro pattern a specific buck on a specific gear UM

922
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: like some guys do. Some people will take their cameras

923
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: and keep moving them. Every time they see a buck

924
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: or every time they get new pictures, they kind of

925
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: tighten the noose to the cameras. How do you go

926
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: about with your placement? Are you doing kind of like

927
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: the the safe inventory or do you move them around

928
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: to try to fine tune what that buck is doing? Um?

929
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: What are you doing there? Um? Typically? I typically I

930
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: don't move them a lot. Typically I'm getting what I

931
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: want UM already. Unless I see a deer from Afar

932
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: and I not gotten a picture of that deer or

933
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: something like that, then maybe, UM, you know, maybe I

934
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: might move a camera. But even then, a lot of

935
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 1: times if I see a deer from Afar and then

936
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: my next move is slide over there and killing um

937
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: instead of trying to go over there, and you know, um,

938
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: booker up the spot by putting in a camera or

939
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: something like that. UM. Typically, yeah, I do. I do

940
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: make a lot of I like mox scrapes. I think

941
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: they work great. UM And especially when you know being

942
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: able to um you get inventory or um you know

943
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: something along those lines. UM. What's been a real big

944
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: tool for me for the last probably three years is

945
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: I have one of the electric bike, and that's been

946
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: a huge because I can literally fly around these these

947
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: farms and nothing ever knows I'm there because my feet

948
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: are even hit the ground. I mean, there's a lot

949
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: of times I won't even let my feet hit the

950
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: ground because I'll just pull right up and grab ahold

951
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: of a you know, tree with my with my gloves

952
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: on and pull an SD car out and boom, I'm I'm,

953
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking off again. That's actually that's helped me too,

954
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: And in regards to being able to hunt stands multiple times,

955
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: because before it was, you know, the first time in

956
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: was the best time. And well now, um, I don't

957
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: think those deer and they're not cutting my back trail anymore.

958
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: Um I've killed a couple of bucks with the with

959
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: my bike at the base of my tree. Really, that's funny.

960
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this earlier today, was kind

961
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: of debating internally are the e bikes worth it? Are they?

962
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: Is it just a fat is it? You know? Is it?

963
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, is it all it's cracked up to be.

964
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: I've I've bounced back and forth. I've certainly seen or

965
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: I understand the concept. The fact that you know, not

966
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: having your boots hit in the ground is gonna be

967
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. And it seems to me that you know,

968
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: rolling through on a bike is gonna be less less

969
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: concerning to a deer probably then seeing or hearing the

970
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: footsteps of a person. Would you say that, you know,

971
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: those are the things that are making it so useful,

972
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: And it kind of said you kind of said this

973
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: made a big difference, but you you're bought in. Huh.

974
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: I can ride right by dear better betted on that bike.

975
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: And one thing I I have noticed, it's funny. I

976
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: can ride right by deer that are bedded on that

977
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: bike and as long as I don't stop or make

978
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: a much eye contact. You know, if I really jerk

979
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: my head around, they don't seem to like that and

980
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: they get up or if I slow up or stop,

981
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean they're going to get up a move. But

982
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of times I can

983
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: slide right by them. Um they stay betted. They you know,

984
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's three or four does better on a fence

985
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: row or something like that, and I can just go

986
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: right by them where maybe in years past they would

987
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: get up, take off and run into where the deer

988
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to kill is and then you know

989
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: he's not coming out. Then if you know you've got

990
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that going on. Um. And the other thing

991
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: is is like getting in and out of those tree

992
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: stand like big part of it is is how many

993
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: times have you walked in in mid October and it's

994
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: a little warm out and by the time you get there,

995
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: you've worked up a good little lather that bikes like

996
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: an air conditioning unit. Yeah, that's a good point. It's

997
00:59:52,320 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: a means tempting. Yeah, I I I love mine. Lind's

998
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: a huge And the other part of it is too, um.

999
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: You know you have if you have a family, and

1000
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: you know sometimes we're limited on time. Sometimes the things

1001
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: that might take us, say you're going to go check

1002
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: trail cameras that day or or whatever it is, um,

1003
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: or maybe you're gonna go over and just scout out

1004
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: something real quick. I can do it in half the

1005
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: time now and be home, um, spending my time or

1006
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: more wisely, I've gotten done everything I wanted to in

1007
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: the white Tail Woods, but now I'm back home, you know,

1008
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: spending time with my family. Yeah, it's all about efficiency.

1009
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: What do you think about impact from an e bike

1010
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: compared to like an a TV or a UTV or

1011
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: driving up with your truck and checking a camera. Do

1012
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: you feel like it's even less of an impact than

1013
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: something like that. I think driving up on a truck,

1014
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't think that bothers them

1015
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: that much. The a t V s, I do think

1016
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 1: that does bother them. I've seen it. I've I've been

1017
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: in bedding areas hunting with deer around me, and here

1018
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: like a t VS fire up on. Say I had

1019
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: a lease or something like that with you know, a

1020
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: couple of buddies or whatever, and they hear those a

1021
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: t v s. And I'm telling you, they they do

1022
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: not like them. They I think they've had a lot

1023
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: of bad experiences with them, um over the years, and

1024
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: they just seem to be bothered by just to sit

1025
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: there and watch deer that are completely bedded and comfortable

1026
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: and to hear that a TV. Now they're on their

1027
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: feet and they're nervous. There definitely is a stronger noise association,

1028
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: probably just because it's such an aggressive sound. I'm sure

1029
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: they can have not They've got great ears no matter what.

1030
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: They'll hear truck too, But yeah, it does. I do

1031
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: wonder about that. When you're rolling through on a bike,

1032
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: it just just feel stealthier, and maybe that ends up

1033
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: being the case. Yeah, I just and it is nice

1034
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: though when you can, you know. I know, there's times

1035
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: where I might have some cameras out where I can

1036
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: pull right up with my truck and literally out the

1037
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: passenger or at the driver's window, and um pull SD

1038
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: cards And I don't think. I don't think that bothers. Um.

1039
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: I know, tractors definitely don't bother them. I mean, oh

1040
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: my god. There's times where I'm putting food plots in

1041
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: and the deer just pouring out in the other section

1042
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: of the food plot, you know, and um, they just

1043
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: don't seem bothered by those, the tractors at all. Speaking

1044
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: of that, UM, I've seen the same thing. But then

1045
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: I've always worried. So I'm fast forward now towards the

1046
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: harvest time. I had a situation where I was chasing

1047
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: a buck last year during the fall, and I can't

1048
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: remember exactly, it was sometime in November, and I had

1049
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: a situation where the farmer had picked part of the

1050
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: field but not all of it yet, and I went

1051
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: in there for moved to the spot for the evening hunt,

1052
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: and just like two rows had been picked right in

1053
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: the edge of the field. So I was sitting there

1054
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: with the edge picked but still standing on the interior,

1055
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: and everything was lined up good with wind. And I

1056
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: think I saw him the day before something, and I

1057
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: felt good that, you know, he'd be visible and would

1058
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: come out here checking all these doughs that I thought

1059
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: would flood into that just pick stuff. And the farmers

1060
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: hadn't come. It was just about prime time, and I

1061
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: thought this, this is ideal. And then they showed up

1062
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: with like an hour and a half left or something

1063
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: like that, and they started picking in and I I've

1064
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: seen plenty of times where dear feel pretty comfortable with

1065
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: the with the tractors and everything, But at the same time,

1066
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen like a mature buck step out and

1067
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: not be spooked. Once the tractor comes rolling by, you know,

1068
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: within fifty yards him, he'll bump off into the woods

1069
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: again and they come back out late or something like that.

1070
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: So I decided, because of my positioning, I couldn't shoot

1071
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: into the timber because there's a property line back there,

1072
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: and my only shot would be if he came into

1073
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: the field, and I decided, you know what, with the

1074
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: tractors moving through here, I just don't think i'll actually

1075
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: get a shot at him. I got to move to

1076
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: another spot where he won't be you know, if he

1077
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: does come through, he won't be spooked by that tractor

1078
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: circling through over and over again. So I moved, and

1079
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: then I sat there that whole time thinking maybe I

1080
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: should have stayed. Maybe I should have stayed, because that's

1081
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: where all the doors ended up being. Anyways, what have

1082
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: you what have you found? As far as that? Would

1083
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: you would you set up on a field that's getting

1084
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: picked in November? Or would you try to get inside

1085
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: a little bit? Um? I would probably try to get

1086
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: inside if they're out there and during that time, and

1087
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: if they're out there, you know, driving the grain wagons

1088
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: and filling them up and run run on the combine

1089
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I would probably step back a

1090
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: little bit because I would just in my head, I

1091
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: would think that a mature deer would not want to

1092
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: be out there, um during that that time frame. Um.

1093
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: But then again, I've seen where you know, it's November

1094
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: eight or ninth, you know, and there's dose out there.

1095
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: I've seen some You know, I've seen some big bucks

1096
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: right out there with them too before. UM. I think

1097
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: it all has to do with the timing of the

1098
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: year of when that's you know, when that's happening, um where,

1099
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: But then the following day after that's taken place, and

1100
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: say they they've came in and picked the beans or

1101
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: corn or whatever, you can guarantee you that that field

1102
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: is gonna be hot for a good little bit. You

1103
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: can't beat that. Um. Speaking of something like that, one

1104
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned a little bit ago,

1105
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go back to kind of all

1106
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: around fresh hot inteler sign versus old sign or old

1107
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: intel and kind of working off of annual trends or patterns.

1108
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: So I know you you've said you've seen dear do

1109
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: the same thing year after year to a degree. Um.

1110
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: At the same time, I know I've I've heard you

1111
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: say in folkus like Andre or Dan Infault or different

1112
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: people get really fired up about fresh hot sign. How

1113
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: do you think about the importance of those two things?

1114
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: You know, if you see a red hot fresh rub,

1115
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: big rub or something, is that more important to you

1116
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: than knowing that such and such buck came through here?

1117
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, two weeks earlier the last two years. Um,

1118
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of curious what you think about the two

1119
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: different types of sign, how that factors into your decision

1120
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: making process. Um, I think, I mean, I'm going to

1121
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: use every part of that. You know, I'm gonna use

1122
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: the information that maybe documented through troll cameras over the

1123
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: years of having a deer maybe moved through a certain

1124
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: area at the same time. But uh, you know, I've

1125
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: always been like, I've always been interested in sign and

1126
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: big rubs. I mean that's always had me super excited.

1127
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: And you know, and I remember like years ago, always

1128
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, in scouting with my grandfather years ago. You know,

1129
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: if you can stick four fingers in there, you know, um,

1130
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: that's that's typically a good buck. And you know the

1131
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: length of the track and and and uh you know,

1132
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: and the way maybe a certain deer's track is is shaped,

1133
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: maybe he's got a you know, maybe there's a little

1134
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: thing there to identify that deer from years past or whatever.

1135
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: But UM, I love fresh sign. I mean, the if

1136
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: it's red hots fresh, I mean, there's nothing better. I

1137
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of times guys hunt, I think a

1138
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys hunts sign that's just too old, Like

1139
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, that's a week or two old. Um, where

1140
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: I tend to Yeah, I look at it and and

1141
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: try to soak it in. But um, if if if

1142
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking for big rubs, you know, I want sap

1143
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: coming out of you know, I want something. I want

1144
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: the sap coming out of that thing and fresh you know,

1145
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: and the the fresh tracks or you know, the scrapes

1146
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: that have just been hit or um. But I you know,

1147
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: but then again, I sometimes I'll set back a little

1148
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: bit and watch that sign and maybe see if I

1149
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: can see that deer and then make my move. Um.

1150
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: I do a lot of observations sets um. And if

1151
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: I see a deer do something, I typically don't like

1152
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: the let him do it again without killing him. Um.

1153
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: I like to just go right in. Okay. So this

1154
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,520
Speaker 1: is another one of those things that I'm always finangling

1155
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: with myself. Is what you just described. You see a

1156
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: buck do something once and it's okay. Do you wait

1157
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: to see if it's a trend or do you go

1158
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: in there right away? It sounds like you go in

1159
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: there right away. Um. When you tell me about how

1160
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: you set up, do you set up as if he's

1161
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: going to do the exact same thing, or do you

1162
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: set up with some kind of knowledge. Okay, I know

1163
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: he came from there, but now I think because the

1164
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: wind is a tiny bit different, or because I think

1165
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: something else. I just walked me through how you choose

1166
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: to set up on that next day after the observation,

1167
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: because that's that's a really important move when you make

1168
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: that that swing for the fence move. UM. I always, always,

1169
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: the wind is always the biggest factor in it all,

1170
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: whatever the wind's doing. If it's the same thing as

1171
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: it was the day before, which is preferably what you

1172
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: really want, because then you know he felt comfortable enough

1173
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: to move, then then then that determines a lot of

1174
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: how you know, how I move in. And I still

1175
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: I still go with that flirting with disaster um nine

1176
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: times out of ten because I just seemed to I

1177
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: see a lot more big deer on their feet by

1178
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: using a wind that you know has something to their advantage. Um,

1179
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: And just try to get off to the you know,

1180
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: one side of that um. And and if it's not

1181
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: the same, then I might say, Okay, I think he's

1182
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna you know, I play it out of my head

1183
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: and I think, okay, maybe he's going to, you know,

1184
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: hook around this end um of this ridge or this

1185
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: you know, this field edge or whatever it might be,

1186
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: and just try to think. I try to anticipate his

1187
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: movement um basically off of just if I was him,

1188
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 1: what I would do. Do you do you hear something

1189
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious about. Do you feel like the wind direction

1190
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: influences not just the way they're going to travel, but

1191
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: also where they choose to bed. Because when when I'm

1192
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: thinking through that scenario you just laid out there, the

1193
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: first thing I thought was, Okay, just like you said,

1194
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: if it's the same wind the next day, then I'm

1195
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: going to go in there kind of thinking he'll do

1196
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: something similar because the winds the same. If the wind

1197
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: is different again, I would think, okay, it's a different wind,

1198
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make some assumptions he's gonna adjust a

1199
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: little bit. But I can still take something from the

1200
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: observation yesterday, which maybe could be Okay, I know where

1201
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: he came from, So let's say it's an evening hunt

1202
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: and I'll make I can then assume he's probably betted

1203
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: somewhere over there. That's the clue I'm going to take

1204
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: away from the observation yesterday. But if it's a different wind,

1205
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: do I need to worry that maybe he betted somewhere

1206
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: completely different because it was a different wind direction. How

1207
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: do you feel about wind impacting that? Oh for sure.

1208
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen them bed all the way. Say

1209
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: you have a field and there's two different wood lots.

1210
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: I've seen them bed you know, uh in one wood

1211
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: lot one day based off the wind, and then the

1212
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: next day everything switches and their bed in a complete

1213
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: in the in the wood lot across from the field. Um.

1214
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: I definitely, I definitely, I think that is a huge factor.

1215
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: And I you know, I think Bucks have typically I

1216
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: think they have two or three different betting areas, um,

1217
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, based upon what the what the wind and

1218
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: the train is doing. And um, you know, I think

1219
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: they're you know, and you get into stuff, you know,

1220
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: you get into stuff with some hills and some some

1221
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: valleys and stuff like that, and they're gonna they're gonna

1222
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: use those those thermals to their advantage, um in a

1223
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: in a big way too. And U uh um, yeah,

1224
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: I I totally agree with you. And I think that

1225
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: they have several different betting areas typically. No, I don't

1226
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: think one buck has just one bit one bed. I

1227
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: just don't think that's possible. Yeah, Now, have you ever

1228
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: nailed down a buck so well that you could predict, all, right,

1229
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: if I've got a south or west, he's probably gonna

1230
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: bettered in this little area. If I've got a north

1231
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: or east, he's probably better in this area, or anything

1232
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: like that. Have you ever been able to nail it

1233
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: that consistently that you could predict which general betting area

1234
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: he's using based off a wind direction or anything. I

1235
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: would to say I can completely um, because everything it

1236
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,440
Speaker 1: seems like every time I think I have a completely

1237
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: figured out, then I get, uh, you know, the master

1238
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: makes me look like a fool. Yeah. Um, But yeah,

1239
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: I think I've I've come close to that, But I

1240
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 1: can't say that I've ever had it so narrowed down

1241
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: that um um that it was just a done deal

1242
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: sort of thing, which you kind of have to work

1243
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: as if you do right. Like this is one of

1244
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: the things I was thinking to myself about last year.

1245
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: I started going into hunts with this idea that sometimes

1246
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: you make assumptions like you have these clues, like you've

1247
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: you've watched this buck and you've seen and so you

1248
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: you go into a hunt and you assume, Okay, I think,

1249
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: because I've got a certain winter action, he's probably bettered

1250
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: over here, or you saw him moving last night and

1251
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: he went into this food source or something. So you

1252
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: have these different clues and you're assuming that something's going

1253
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: to happen. I used to go into my hunts assuming

1254
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: something would have upen or thinking something would happen. But

1255
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: then I'd keep on trying to prepare for contingencies. So

1256
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I think he might come out into

1257
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: this food source, but he might go here instead, but

1258
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: he might go here. So then sometimes i'd find myself

1259
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: picking a tree that kind of is in the middle

1260
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: of it, so okay, maybe he could come here and

1261
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: maybe come here, and maybe come here. But then last year,

1262
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: I think it was I started saying, well, if you

1263
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: do that, then you're never in the perfect place for

1264
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: the one thing, and so if he does come through

1265
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: and he doesn't do the one perfect thing, you're screwed. Um.

1266
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: So I started operating under this another idea where I

1267
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: was I would instead going to hunt and I'm thinking

1268
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: through these clues and I'm making assumptions. But then I'm

1269
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: going to eventually pick what I think is the very

1270
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: most likely thing, like my Plan A, and then I'm

1271
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna set up perfectly for Plan A and assume that's

1272
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: the truth. So I'm gonna say, Okay, it's a south wind.

1273
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume he's better in this area. So

1274
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: now I'm going to do everything perfect for that scenario.

1275
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that there's no way my wind

1276
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: blows in there. I'm gonna make sure there's no way

1277
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: that something happens. I'm gonna set up in the perfect

1278
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: tree for this scenario, um, rather than just being in

1279
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: like a general zone because I think, well, this, this, this,

1280
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: and I can't remember where it was I heard you

1281
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 1: say this, but you said something very similar. You said

1282
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: that there was a shift for you when you went

1283
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: from hunting the area to hunting the tree. Is that

1284
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: do you think through things kind of similar to what

1285
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: I was just describing there or how do you do that? Oh?

1286
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: I for sure that was a big when I first

1287
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: started like really getting after like and I sat out

1288
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I want to I want

1289
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: to kill it. Pope and young Block, you know that's

1290
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: a gross Pope and young Deer that's really what I

1291
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: want to do. And I had a climber and you know,

1292
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're so limited with those climbers. And I

1293
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: felt like a lot of times I was just off

1294
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: the mark because I was forced to hunt uh a

1295
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 1: tree that was more like a telephone pole than aware

1296
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: I truly needed to be. And then once I I

1297
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: switched over and got introduced to you know that climbing

1298
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: sticks and hang on and stuff like that, that changed

1299
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: everything for me as far as being able to, um,

1300
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: not just see the deer that I was after, but

1301
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: to be in the tree and and get a shot

1302
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: opportunity at a good buck. That that changed a lot

1303
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: of things for me as far as my success rate,

1304
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: um going going up from there. And I think a

1305
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: lot of times we we searched for these perfect situations

1306
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: and you know where you're not giving up anything at all, um,

1307
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: you and you just have to you just have to

1308
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: learn to kind of live with that part of it, Like, man,

1309
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta give some stuff up here because

1310
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, that's where I need to be.

1311
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: But you know, um, they're gonna have you know these

1312
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: you know this these deer or the I mean they're

1313
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: gonna have some advantage um to that. Um, And that

1314
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: just made when I started hunting the tree is when,

1315
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, when my success went went way up. I

1316
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of people just fall on the run

1317
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: of of you know, so many people out there just

1318
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, they have their ladder stands and they get

1319
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: out there every single year and kind of hunt the

1320
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: same spots and and a lot of guys do you

1321
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: know they do well with that. But um, but I

1322
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: also see a lot of those guys, you know, kill

1323
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: a good buck every three or four years, and I

1324
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: just I work way too hard at this to kill

1325
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: one you know that far and few in between. I

1326
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, I want to kill a good buck every

1327
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: year if not too Yeah, do you think that you're

1328
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: are you picking the tree? In most scenarios for you?

1329
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: Is is picking the killing tree happening in March? Or

1330
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 1: is it happening on October? Um? Both? I think that's

1331
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think a lot there's times,

1332
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: especially here where I'm I'm scouting and um, and I

1333
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: know a lot of my farms pretty well. Unless it's

1334
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: a new piece of ground or something like that, then um,

1335
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: if it's a new piece of ground, I won't hang

1336
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: a stand on it at all, because I have to

1337
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: hunt it to be able to figure that part of

1338
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: it out. And sometimes it might take me a little

1339
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: bit to figure that out. I feel like you need

1340
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: sometimes a couple of years to really like dial that

1341
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: in and say, okay, like I really really know, um,

1342
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: what's going on. But if if it's a farm I've

1343
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: been hunting for a while and I know it based

1344
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,719
Speaker 1: off of the deer movement I've seen in the past,

1345
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: and so and so forth, and also maybe maybe there's

1346
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: some crop rotation that year where maybe in uh a

1347
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: year before that, or something I notice, Um, a certain

1348
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: area was really yeah, I'll go in there and hang

1349
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: a stand and and and leave it. Um. I have

1350
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: quite a few stands that I leave in my farms.

1351
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: But um, but then again, I also read that sign

1352
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: and as season goes on, and and pay attention to

1353
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: my cameras and and and make a move when I

1354
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: need to. I mean when I when I go out

1355
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: of state. UM, I typically never leave any stands hanging

1356
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: anywhere on any farms I hunt out of state. I mean,

1357
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: it's a scout mid day, it's a hang it I

1358
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: hunted that evening, I'll leave all my stuff, including my

1359
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: bow and everything in the tree, and I come right

1360
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: back in haunted again the next morning, and either I'm

1361
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: in the spot and I stay put based on if

1362
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: the winds still good for me, and if it's not,

1363
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: I just tear it back down and scout some more

1364
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: and just repeat, repeat, repeat, until I kill a buck. Yeah.

1365
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: I've always I've I've thought, and I've sort of wished,

1366
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: but I can't quite make myself do it. But I've

1367
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: always thought it would be pretty cool to just take

1368
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: a season and not hunt and instead just follow someone around,

1369
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: like follow you around, follow Andre around, follow Adam around,

1370
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: and get to just kind of stand behind your shoulder

1371
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: when you go into a scenario like that, and then

1372
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: have you talk out loud everything you're thinking about as

1373
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: you're walking through the woods and they're scouting session and

1374
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 1: as you're you know, picking the tree, and as you're

1375
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: sitting there in the tree that night and trying to

1376
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: deliberate about what to do the next day. That would

1377
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: be so fascinating. Um, I just can't give my can't

1378
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: convince myself to give up my actual hunting. But if

1379
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: if I did that, if I somehow convinced you to

1380
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: allow me to walk with you in the woods hand

1381
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: your doing your scouting midday, and you found the zone

1382
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: and now you're going to pick the tree. Can you

1383
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: walk me through what would be going through your mind

1384
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: as you are trying to, like and maybe there's a

1385
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: specific past scenario you can describe or maybe you can

1386
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: imagine something, um, but kind of walk me through all

1387
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: the things that are going through your mind. Is you're

1388
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: trying to pick the killing spot, um on that day

1389
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: on November eight or whatever it is. So um, I'm

1390
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: just kind of thinking back on a hunt from a

1391
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: few years ago in Iowa, and I had noticed I

1392
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: was hunting the backside of this farm and I was

1393
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: coming and I was I was coming out after a

1394
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: morning hunt, and I noticed that there was some really

1395
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: good sign up along this timber edge and had this

1396
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: whole hillside that was just just covered and just just

1397
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: the nastiest stuff that you could you can imagine. And

1398
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: I remember coming out and I'm like, man, I need

1399
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: I need to set up somewhere in here because it

1400
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: just based off the sign and there was a couple

1401
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: of big scrapes that I could tell that they had

1402
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: just been hit and and just the train features and everything,

1403
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: just the way it laid, it just felt right. You know.

1404
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: It's just sometimes you just gotta, you know, go off

1405
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: of some gut feeling too sometimes. And I don't know

1406
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: why did this, um, but and I didn't have to

1407
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: stand with me. I had to went back up to

1408
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: the truck and get a stand and sticks and then

1409
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: come back and then hunted that evening or whatever. I

1410
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: went and hunted a completely different farm that that evening

1411
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: because I had a stand already hung in there. So

1412
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: I went the lazy route and and we all do

1413
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: this at times, and I was out there. I've been like,

1414
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I was there for about four or five days, and

1415
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: I think I was getting kind of tired. And I

1416
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: went back after that evening hunt, and I'm like, why

1417
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: didn't you go over there and hang that set? You

1418
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: saw the sign all the sign was there. And I

1419
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: remember sitting and thinking, I'm like, you know, what if

1420
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: the wind, if that wind, If I look at this

1421
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: phone and that wind is coming out of the north

1422
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: for tomorrow mornings, hunt, I got a feeling those bucks

1423
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: are going to cruise that down one side of that

1424
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 1: of that whole hillside that's just nasty. And there's gotta

1425
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: be a ton of dose in there. And I pulled

1426
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: that phone out. I looked at it and I thought,

1427
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: that's it. That's that's what it's doing. And I went

1428
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: over there that morning in the dark, and I hate

1429
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: doing hanging haunts in the dark, um because you just

1430
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: you never know. Once you get up there, you're like, oh,

1431
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: this is great, but I can't shoot anywhere. Well that

1432
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: light comes up, It's like, oh boy, what are we

1433
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: gonna have? What's that? It broke up pretty good, I said.

1434
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: When it starts getting light out, you're always kind of

1435
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: crossing your fingers, yeah, because you just you have no clue,

1436
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: um what you're gonna, you know, be dealing with. So

1437
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: I go in there, hand to stand. I see two

1438
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: shooters at morning, I mean two good ones, and I

1439
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: was about eight yards off the mark and we all

1440
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of do this a little bit, and you're like, man,

1441
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: you know now I got to tear this whole thing

1442
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: down again and move it over there. But I just

1443
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: knew it. I had to do it, you know, I

1444
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 1: just had to do the work. Well that's what I did,

1445
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: and I tore it down, slid it about yards over

1446
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: there because the one because one of the bucks came

1447
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: out of this ditch, and then another one later on

1448
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: headed into that ditch, and I thought, well, I'm going

1449
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: to catch either one of them, you know, one of

1450
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 1: these two bucks, and I'd shoot either one of them.

1451
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: And so I moved that set, I did the work,

1452
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: and the that that evening, it was just a downpour

1453
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: and I couldn't even I couldn't even hunt it if

1454
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to. So um, and I left everything in there,

1455
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: like I left my bow and everything in the tree.

1456
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty good about that. And and

1457
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: so I go back in the very next morning and

1458
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 1: and gets and get in that tree. And it was

1459
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: brain pretty good even that morning when I got up

1460
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 1: and I go out there, and that deer, one of

1461
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: the deer that came out of the drainage the day before,

1462
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: he came back out of out of the drainage and

1463
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: went up that hillside that morning, and I waited till

1464
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: he got up. I didn't want to call to him.

1465
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: I wanted something to block because I hate I hate

1466
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: calling to a deer. And they just turned around and

1467
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: just like boom, they're right on you. You know, like

1468
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: they've already figured out exactly you know where that is.

1469
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: And there, you know, they bust in a tree. I

1470
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: let him get up the hill a little ways that

1471
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: he got behind a cedar, and I snort wheezed at him,

1472
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: and I saw him stopping and swing his head around

1473
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: and I could just see, I just I could just

1474
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: see his cage turn and he stood there for a second.

1475
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: I knew he was thinking about it. So I waited

1476
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: until he slowly turned his head back the opposite way again,

1477
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: and I had him again um and snort wheeze at him,

1478
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: and he came right down um and gave me like

1479
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: a yard shot and and and it was, you know,

1480
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: it was that that scouting and doing the work and

1481
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: and seeing that sign, thinking about what the wind was

1482
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: going to do for that following morning. Um, for two

1483
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: days in a row, it came out the north and

1484
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: blew straight down and those bucks did I mean, they

1485
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: just cruised that that downwards side of that betting narrative

1486
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: area and it just it just played out perfect. So

1487
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: I've got to follow up questions on that one. The

1488
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: day before when you're sitting there hunting and you saw

1489
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: the two bucks do that move eight yards away? What

1490
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: time did you get down to make your move? This

1491
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: is something I always debate internally too. I'm always wondering,

1492
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, what is the exact best window that is

1493
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: the should you just go right away or should you

1494
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: wait till you think the lowest part of the day

1495
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: will be and make your move? When do you if

1496
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: you have like a mid day hanging hunt move that

1497
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna make, when's that window you like to do it?

1498
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I tend to be a little more. I kind of

1499
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: waited out a little bit just to you know, just

1500
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: to make sure kind of thing. But about thirty, um,

1501
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm sliding over there, and and that

1502
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: gives me a little bit of time to to find that,

1503
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, to scout a little bit more. Um, and

1504
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, I already already saw what this deer we're doing.

1505
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of times I'll scout up so far

1506
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: and I use I'll use my binocular as a fair

1507
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: amount to scout up ahead of me. So I'm not

1508
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: laying any you know, at any ground sent down up

1509
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: ahead of me where they might cross it. Maybe you know,

1510
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:12,520
Speaker 1: when I'm you know, at night or whatever it might be. Um,

1511
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say, okay, I can. I can kind

1512
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: of see that trail over there. That's where they seem

1513
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: to want to be. I don't need to go any

1514
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: farther than this. I'm about twenty or twenty five yards away,

1515
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and I put the brakes on and and

1516
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: and get set up. But yeah, about probably ten thirty

1517
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock and then that way I can have have

1518
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: my have my way with that spot. Yeah. That that

1519
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 1: seems to be kind of where I've thought that sweet

1520
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 1: spot is because it's it's late enough that there's not

1521
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: that super early morning movement, but you're not quite into

1522
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: that you know, midday window where those big bucks sometimes

1523
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: getting their feet and start cruising again. Of course it

1524
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: can it can vary, It could be any time, but

1525
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that ten to eleven windows

1526
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of a possible lull. So I like

1527
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: that too. Um. Now a little more on how you

1528
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: picked that specific tree though, So you moved in there

1529
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 1: after you saw them. You wanted to be down into

1530
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: that thick bedding area, but closer to that ditch where

1531
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: they came in and out. You're glassing as you work

1532
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: your way over there. How did you end up picking

1533
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: that specific tree to hang up. Um. I'm curious where

1534
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: you paying attention to height or how how you could

1535
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: get into a tree. Did you look for a certain

1536
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: kind of tree? Um? Did you I don't know, anything

1537
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: like that that was running through your mind? Or did

1538
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: you just want to be within shooting range of that

1539
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: ditch trail that was coming in and out and making

1540
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: sure the wind wind blow there. I wanted to be

1541
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: within Uh. You know, it all goes back to hunting

1542
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the tree, and I wanted to be in the tree

1543
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna give me at least a shot opportunity at

1544
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: that that ditch over there, I felt like that ditch

1545
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: was kind of like the key to everything. Well, then

1546
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: I get over there, and Um, the next thing I was,

1547
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't height does not make a difference to me

1548
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: at all. I mean I see guys that will hunt

1549
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: super high and and sometimes that when the higher you get,

1550
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: the smaller you're that that kill zone gets. UM. That

1551
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: particular tree I was probably I don't know, probably twelve ft,

1552
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: but I had the cover, UM, and that was the

1553
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: most important thing to me and and will always be.

1554
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times, you know Kansas, we

1555
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: go out there and um, we get in those cedar

1556
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: trees sometimes and my god, I'm you know, I'm five

1557
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: six ft off the ground and I'm like bulletproof and

1558
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: nothing or bust me out of those things. Um, I think.

1559
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: And I knew too, because that was kind of in

1560
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 1: the bottom down there, like even being that low, even

1561
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: if the winds coming back over, but being in the

1562
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,759
Speaker 1: bottom in the morning, I knew when that rise happened

1563
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 1: in the morning, I knew everything was just gonna get

1564
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: sucked straight up. Um as well, and um it made

1565
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: that It made that spot like literally bulletproof. And it's

1566
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: funny because of knowing about that spot. I returned to

1567
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: that same farm three or four years later whenever I

1568
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: drew another tag and I could not get a north wind,

1569
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: like literally the whole time I was there, I was like,

1570
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: oh my god, I need I want to get back

1571
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: in there. I know that spot is still good. And

1572
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: as soon as I did, I got in that same

1573
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: tree and killed another buck. Wow. Pretty awesome. You find

1574
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: a spot like that. Yeah, it's just one of those

1575
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:07,719
Speaker 1: spots that It was funny because my buddy that owns

1576
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: that farm, when I first killed that first buck there

1577
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: He's like, where did you shoot that buck at? And

1578
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: I told him He's like, I've never even hunted over

1579
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: there before. And I'm like, really, I'm like, dude, I'm

1580
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: telling you that spots. I'm telling you that's that's the spot.

1581
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: And and then I come back out there a few

1582
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: years later, and I kept telling him. I'm like, man,

1583
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I want this wind to switch out of the north.

1584
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: I want to get back into that spot again. And

1585
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I still have never gone over

1586
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: there and hunted that section. And I'm like, I'm telling

1587
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: you that spot is money. I said, if I can

1588
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: get back in that trede this week, and if I

1589
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: don't have one down already, so I'll kill I'll kill

1590
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,839
Speaker 1: a bucket over there. And by eight o'clock that morning,

1591
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: I texted him I said I said I just smoked one.

1592
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 1: And he calls me and he says, did you really.

1593
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm telling you this spot is It's just

1594
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: it's bulletproof. And I was on the phone with him

1595
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: and um and and uh. He's like, man, I'm gonna

1596
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: have to go over there and and uh and set

1597
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: this evening and and see if I can't get a

1598
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: crack at one and and so we got my dear

1599
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: out and we came and he came back, and I

1600
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: and jumped up in my stand and and he almost

1601
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: killed another big one that evening. Sometimes those spots are

1602
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to the annual trend thing

1603
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: a little bit, like things happen for a reason. I

1604
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: always try to when I see something or I find

1605
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 1: like a hot spot like that where I see a

1606
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: buck do something, I try to analyze, you know, why

1607
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: it happened, because usually things don't not always, but usually

1608
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: things don't have upen by chance. There's usually a reason

1609
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: why buck moved through a certain area. Um So in

1610
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: that case, maybe it was that cover feature and the

1611
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 1: terrain features all coming together that you know, year after

1612
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: year bucks are going to use that area. Um Or

1613
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: when you see a one off deer setting at some

1614
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: other point, you think about, like you know, you described

1615
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: like how he was using the wind, to think about

1616
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: why he moved that way or why he did this that.

1617
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: That seems to be another one of those, UM I

1618
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: don't know things that I keep hearing from folks year

1619
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 1: after year having success. They're always asking why, They're always

1620
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: trying to kind of micro analyze observations or data to

1621
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 1: kind of again, it's that idea of pick pick the tree,

1622
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: not the zone. It's you know, get the details right,

1623
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: not the not the the fuzzy big picture. Um. It

1624
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: just seems to be the difference. It's you know something

1625
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, something I picked up with with Andre a

1626
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: long time ago was the fact that, I mean, here's

1627
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: a guy that I mean, my guy. The guy's killed

1628
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: like eighteen gross boon of Crockett's, you know, with the

1629
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: bow and his i mean, his living room is ridiculous.

1630
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, like the kind of

1631
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: kind of bucks and how many bucks this guy has

1632
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: killed over the years. You know. The one thing I've

1633
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 1: always noticed about him is whenever he's talking to somebody,

1634
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: like you know, just working shows and stuff like that

1635
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: with him, or just you know, you know, us being

1636
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 1: around just other people and talking, I always see him

1637
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: asking a lot of people questions. And it's funny to

1638
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: me that a guy as successful as as he is,

1639
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 1: that he's asking anyone questions. But you know, he's always

1640
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: trying to soak it in. I think that's what has

1641
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: been my observation with him times. That's very interesting. That's

1642
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: very interesting. And that's it's it does seem to be

1643
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: one of those things. No matter how successful you are,

1644
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 1: those very best deer hunters are constantly still trying to learn.

1645
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: They're constantly still trying to find what that next thing is,

1646
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: what's that next edge they can find? Um, it's it's

1647
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 1: a lifelong process. I guess right, yeah, for sure, What

1648
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 1: do you think? What do you think you're if you

1649
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: had to identify like the next area that you need

1650
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 1: to work on, is there any kind of weakness or

1651
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: is there any kind of thing you're really still curious

1652
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: about or that you're still trying to nail down? Um?

1653
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 1: Does anything jump to your mind when I want to

1654
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: bring that up? Yeah, you know one thing that I

1655
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 1: would like to be a better rut hunter, if that's possible. Like,

1656
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: I don't I have a tough time with the rut.

1657
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't get me wrong. I for

1658
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 1: sure I've shot some you know, great bucks um in November,

1659
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: but that's a really frustrating time for me because the randomness. Yeah,

1660
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just uh of of dear, just I'm like,

1661
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I'll get into the routine just like everybody, you know,

1662
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna hunt some downwards side of some some

1663
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: dope betting areas, or maybe I might hunt a pinch

1664
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: here there or whatever. Um, it's just I feel like

1665
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,719
Speaker 1: the rut is just luck half of the time. There's

1666
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: not a lot of skill, um that that goes along

1667
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: with was shooting. You know, those bucks train features are

1668
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing I think. Um, but yeah, I

1669
01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: would like to definitely, you know, better my skills had,

1670
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, learning how to the hunt the rut more

1671
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: efficiently than than what I do. Well, that's probably a

1672
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: good thing. There's a lot of guys probably that are

1673
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: in the reverse situation where the only time they can

1674
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: kill a good buck is during the rut and they

1675
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: need to try to figure out on the other sides.

1676
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's nice to be in the scenario where

1677
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: you can kill bucks pretty consistently in the tougher parts

1678
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: of the season than the other way. UM. One last

1679
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: couple of questions. I've been talking to you're off here

1680
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 1: for a long time, but I had to like specific

1681
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: tactical questions related to what we were just talking about

1682
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: a second ago. Um, back to the setting up on

1683
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: these hanging hunts. M Um, Number one when you're moving

1684
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: to midday to set up in a new spot and

1685
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: you found that perfect tree, do you do trimming or

1686
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: do you are you're worried about spooking things and you're

1687
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 1: not gonna trim like. That's something I'm always debating is

1688
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: is how much how many lanes do I open up?

1689
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: Do I do anything? Or do it just quietly get

1690
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 1: set up and hunt? Um? I guess just answer me

1691
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 1: that trimming. What's your perspective on that? On these middle

1692
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: of the day hanging hunt type deals, I definitely trim. Um.

1693
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: I prefer not to if I don't have to, that's

1694
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: my you know what I prefer um Sometimes UM in

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01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 1: those cases, if it looks like to say, I'm gonna

1696
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: have to trim a lot, then then I that's where

1697
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna try to stay low to minimize that,

1698
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: because the higher you get, the more trimming that you're

1699
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna end up getting into. Um. I. But yes, I've

1700
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: I've got into some trees before where I knew I

1701
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: should have done some trimming and didn't, and it cost

1702
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 1: me a dear. UM. So I don't do that anymore.

1703
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: If if I need to open up something, I'll little bit,

1704
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: but I don't. I always keep in perspective of my

1705
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: shots are twenty yards, you know, twenty yards and don't

1706
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: try to Um. I see guys get a little nutty

1707
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: with with the triman and um ends up costing a

1708
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 1: deer because you know they crack him beforehand. Because um,

1709
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up a big coon hunter, um

1710
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, and and was way into that when I

1711
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: was a kid, and a good coon dog will drift

1712
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: a track from a distance. And so if if a

1713
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: dog can do that, a deer definitely can do that

1714
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 1: as well. So UM, I want him the least make

1715
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 1: it to that location before um, before that that scent

1716
01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: that drifted in their direction froze him up. So you

1717
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: don't want to be walking all over the place opening

1718
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: up fifteen different shooting lanes. No, no, maybe one two. Yeah,

1719
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: there's a there's the window types of trimmers like that,

1720
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: and then there's the uh the air the runway strips.

1721
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: Some guys like those two. UM I tend to be

1722
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: more along your lines. UM. Okay, one more question on

1723
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: that line of thinking, which is you do a lot

1724
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: of the hanging hunting. Your running with a lot of

1725
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: folks that do that kind of stuff too. Uh. Do

1726
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: you have a pro tip or two as far as

1727
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: the actual setup of sticks and your stand that have

1728
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 1: helped you do it more quietly or quicker or more efficiently.

1729
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: Are there any little systems you put in place over

1730
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: the years that made you good at that? UM? You

1731
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: know I've been I ran the you know, the lone

1732
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 1: Wolf standard sticks for years, and ran the XOP standing

1733
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 1: sticks as well. UM, you know all the quist of

1734
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: the line stands, but now you know I'm running all

1735
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: the long Wolf Custom Gear standard sticks. It's to me,

1736
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: it's the most thought out UM system that is on

1737
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 1: the market. And I'm not just saying that because you know,

1738
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm affiliated with those guys, but I do believe it's

1739
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 1: it's the lightest, it's the um the way it stacks. UM.

1740
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 1: Like this year, I'm gonna run you know the one

1741
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 1: the low Wolf Custom Gear one point oh with the

1742
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: mini sticks with the eight ers. I think the whole

1743
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 1: thing is like ten or twelve pounds. I mean it's

1744
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: next to nothing. UM. The you know, the lighter, the better. Uh.

1745
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: Something that UM Actually Honora showed me instead of running

1746
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: the straps all around the stands like we used to

1747
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 1: do and all that kind of stuff. I put just

1748
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: a little bag on the bottom of my seat that

1749
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,600
Speaker 1: hangs down on and I throw all my all my

1750
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 1: straps in there so they're not just all over the

1751
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: place and you're wrap. I'm not doing that anymore. That's

1752
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: just a mess. Interesting. Now, what about your getting up

1753
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: in the tree process with the sticks? How do you

1754
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: how do you run that? Do you have them hanging

1755
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: off of you as you climb up in the tree

1756
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: or do you pull them up on a rope? Uh?

1757
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 1: What's that look like for you? Um? I always put

1758
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: the stand on my back and then first stick on

1759
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: and then um. Typically, Uh, the way I've always done

1760
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 1: it in the past is I just take the other

1761
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 1: three sticks or two sticks, or however many sticks, and

1762
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna run moving forward from that ground ground

1763
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: stick and UM. I just always hang them on a branch.

1764
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:52,640
Speaker 1: And I always have my stuff. Um, you know, I

1765
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: already have my um my, my bag. My bag is

1766
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: usually attached to my stand, and once I get up,

1767
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: I take, you know, take a screw in, throw my

1768
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: bag on there and then pull my stand off and

1769
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 1: then hang it and then my bows already tied to

1770
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 1: the string that is is um on my stand and

1771
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: then that way I don't have to come up and

1772
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: down the tree. Um. I try to minimize that as

1773
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 1: much as possible. Yeah, that seems to be the way

1774
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 1: to do it, all right. Justin I am sufficiently fired

1775
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 1: up for for some white tails. What I really want

1776
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: to do right now is go drive some fields and

1777
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 1: scott for bucks. But I think I have to go

1778
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 1: in and feed my kids instead, So I guess that's

1779
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: comes back to the efficiency thing, to figure out a

1780
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: way to be able to do both. But I might

1781
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:50,759
Speaker 1: What I might do is act like I'm still doing

1782
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 1: this podcast with you, and maybe do some of that

1783
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: driving around and say, oh, it just ran over a

1784
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: little bit. It's a pretty good smart You've got to

1785
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 1: figure it out, all right. So one and a half

1786
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: sort of questions, and then we're gonna close this down

1787
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: really quick. Last question I asked. I'm starting to ask

1788
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: more and more people this every time. If you had

1789
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: a billboard on the side of the highway that all

1790
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: these deer hunters are gonna drive by every day, and

1791
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to to just leave one lasting message with

1792
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: all these guys and girls, what would you put on

1793
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: that billboard. Um, sometimes you have to get uncomfortable. I

1794
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:40,879
Speaker 1: like it. That's a good take home from those those stories.

1795
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: That's been a theme for sure. All right, that's a

1796
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:49,719
Speaker 1: good billboard. Get uncomfortable, get outside your comfort zone sometimes

1797
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: go for the fences. Last question, justin. If people want

1798
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 1: to see your episodes of White Tell Addictions or follow

1799
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 1: along with anything that's going on from the show or

1800
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: loan Will Custom Gear or anything like that, where can

1801
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: they see your stuff and all that other stuff too? Um,

1802
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: you can go to uh the Lone Wolf Custom Gear

1803
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 1: YouTube page. That's where um, you'll find all the White

1804
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 1: Tail Addictions episodes and um and a lot of the

1805
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: old the old episodes that are on there as well.

1806
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 1: Or go to www Dot Lone Wolf custom Gear dot com. Um,

1807
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:31,560
Speaker 1: that's our website. That's where all of our gears um.

1808
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Or you know you can follow me on Instagram, um

1809
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: at uh I'm actually it's not justin Hollinsworth's Mason's Dad

1810
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: get your straight yeah, and or Facebook or or whatever. Um.

1811
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: Uh that's where you'll you'll find all of our stuff

1812
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: at very cool all right, justin, I I've enjoyed this.

1813
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking so much time to

1814
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: h talk Bucks. I really appreciate you having me on.

1815
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 1: This was fun. I love it. Let's let's stay in

1816
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: touch and exchange some pictures this fall with a couple

1817
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: of dead bucks. Huh for sure, I love it. That's

1818
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: the best part about this. I agree. All right, well

1819
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 1: talked against him justin Thank you. Thanks all right, thanks

1820
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,759
Speaker 1: for tuning in for this one. I hope you enjoyed

1821
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: that as much as I did. Uh. I'm raring to go.

1822
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 1: It's summer, velvet Bucks are out there in the fields.

1823
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: Fall is going to be here before we know what,

1824
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 1: my friends, So get outside of your comfort zone, start

1825
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: doing something different, start working harder, working different. Break the

1826
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: routine now and then prepared to do so again in

1827
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: the fall. Until next time, Thank you again. I appreciate everything,

1828
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 1: your support, your time, your interests, your ratings, your reviews,

1829
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: your comments, your questions. Um it means the world. So

1830
01:49:52,320 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 1: until next time, thanks and stay wired to hunt.