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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, we have made it. We've

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Speaker 1: made it. Towards the end of another healthscape week in

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Speaker 1: subpoenas for five Republicans, including Kevin McCarthy. But I want

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Speaker 1: to read to you this piece just briefly that outlines

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Speaker 1: who the committee is subpoena ink and why right. And

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Speaker 1: what is getting me about how the media is talking

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Speaker 1: fact that they keep trying to make it parallel to

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Speaker 1: the ways in which the Republicans had set up their

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Speaker 1: two things are not the fucking same. Republicans investigation into Benghazi,

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Speaker 1: about politics, about smudslinging, about smears, and about elections. It

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the fact that Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: had anything to do with our life here in America,

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Speaker 1: everything to do with the Republican's agenda to take down

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Speaker 1: the media frames these conversations up as if these two things,

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Speaker 1: one six Cohouse Committee is doing is trying to with

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Speaker 1: their over one thousand interviews and investigations, with their desire

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Speaker 1: held beginning in June. June ninth, I believe is the

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Speaker 1: first scheduled date for the committee hearing on prime time.

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Speaker 1: And the point being is that while the physical coup,

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Speaker 1: And it continues because we have a Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: that is ineffectual, that is inapt, and that refuses to

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Speaker 1: know the power and authority that the Department of Justice has,

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Speaker 1: which is to bring federal criminal charges against those that

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Speaker 1: information is required and or necessary in order to activate

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Speaker 1: But you know, part of these subpoenas that won six

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Speaker 1: If you'll remember, five months ago, the one six Committee

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Speaker 1: refar Mark Meadows, Donald Trump's former fucking treason as hotline

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Speaker 1: five months. What is the Department of Justice done to

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Speaker 1: move forward on that request by the one six Committee. Nothing. So,

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Speaker 1: when you look at Republicans consistent desire to place obstacle

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Speaker 1: So none of less, let me get to who they

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Speaker 1: it is that they know. Now, you would believe that,

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Speaker 1: But you see, Republicans believe that they are above the law,

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Speaker 1: I digress. In addition to McCarthy, the Democratic lad Panel

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Speaker 1: I'll go on. So, this is what is said by

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Speaker 1: This elect Committee has learned that several of our colleagues

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Speaker 1: He goes on to say, the individuals receiving subpoenas today

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Speaker 1: What we have learned, dear friends, from the tapes that

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Speaker 1: with that, and that those social media posts, that rhetoric

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Speaker 1: was started by white women, and I just you have

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Speaker 1: to take a step back and say that's not possible

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Speaker 1: for all women. That is not the best play to organized.

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Speaker 1: That is, we need to take a seat here and

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Speaker 1: not call for advocacy efforts that leave of the female

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Speaker 1: population out and not able to participate. So we really need,

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Speaker 1: we really need to rely on the people who have

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Speaker 1: been doing is the women who know how to organize.

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Speaker 1: Black and brown women know how to organize much better

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Speaker 1: than white women, you know, about creating the foundation, about

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Speaker 1: creating that infrastructure, things that we have not been doing,

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Speaker 1: but other communities has been doing for so much longer

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Speaker 1: than it's time for us to take a seat, listen,

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Speaker 1: and follow hello and lend our voices where we can.

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Speaker 1: I think there's also sort of a moment yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: I was at a press conference New Jersey's governors doing

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Speaker 1: some really phenomenal things about creating protections around abortion access

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Speaker 1: funds to make sure that women are here and and

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Speaker 1: equivocally said that, you know, we are not going to

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Speaker 1: participate in helping any other states prosecute women or healthcare providers.

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Speaker 1: And there were legislators who spoke up and to champion

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Speaker 1: this legislation, and certainly we need their voice, but I

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Speaker 1: also think this is a moment where men need to

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Speaker 1: sit down and say, I understand my role is not

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Speaker 1: to speak on this issue any longer. I am going

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Speaker 1: to give my time in my space to elevate the

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Speaker 1: voices that need to be elevated. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the only way that we're going to win this battle.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just is, you know, it's so interesting

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Speaker 1: because on one hand. You know, I want, you know what,

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about heterosexual relationships and the role that

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Speaker 1: men have in terms of pregnancy and and I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, I actually want men, straight men to speak

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Speaker 1: out in advocacy of the fact that this is actually

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Speaker 1: an economic issue. Like to me, I've always believed that

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Speaker 1: the way that the abortion issue has been presented, I

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Speaker 1: agree with the late Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the merits of this case, we're not actually argued in

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Speaker 1: the right way that this was more so about equity

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Speaker 1: than it was about privacy rights. It's about you can't

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Speaker 1: have I mean, I guess we can because we're about to,

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Speaker 1: but you in a true democracy, you can't have one

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Speaker 1: set of laws that is only executed towards one group

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Speaker 1: of people and not the other. And so for me,

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Speaker 1: it's like the role of straight men here is to

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Speaker 1: be able to speak out and talk about how abortion

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Speaker 1: has actually allowed their lives to be able to function

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Speaker 1: on the same path. How like abortion allows for there

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Speaker 1: to be you know, a lack of disruption and the

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Speaker 1: economic gains that you can have as a hetero couple

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Speaker 1: that like requires both of us to be in the workforce,

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Speaker 1: working and then being able to provide for childcare and

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Speaker 1: do x Y and C. So, you know, is there

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Speaker 1: a space for men not to just yield the floor,

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Speaker 1: but to be able to speak with a perspective that

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Speaker 1: I think is missing from the larger conversation. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think that you're absolutely right if they were

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Speaker 1: adding to the conversation in a different way, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I've heard that conversation. I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: the disheartening piece, right when when we hear men speak

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Speaker 1: about this issue, they talk about a women's right to

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Speaker 1: choose and their body and sort of standing up and

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Speaker 1: affirming the things that we're saying, but they're also not

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Speaker 1: talking about it from their perspective, and that that is

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Speaker 1: a really important piece of the conversation. I just haven't

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Speaker 1: heard it. Yeah, I mean it's fair I have either,

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm always thinking about why, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I do think that I do think that straight men

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Speaker 1: have a role here and should have a voice. Because

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Speaker 1: it bothers me that even at all of these rallies

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Speaker 1: and protests that a majority of those that are participating

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Speaker 1: are women, And I'm just like, you know, outside of

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Speaker 1: being in an LGBTQ relationship having fertility like this is

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Speaker 1: also a men's issue. So I'm like, so, where is you? Know?

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Speaker 1: Where are you? You know? And the only men that

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Speaker 1: we hear from are those that are the opposition that

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Speaker 1: are saying like I'm bringing you back into the eighteen hundreds. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know? So, I mean so again, like you, when

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Speaker 1: you do hear from men, it's always in the negative

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Speaker 1: or it's couched in a woman's right to choose, not

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Speaker 1: about their experience. And I think that that could be

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Speaker 1: the next iteration of how we fight this this particular

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Speaker 1: at this particular moment moment. Last question for you with

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Speaker 1: regard to how people collect themselves and prepare to attend

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Speaker 1: protests these days, because I just want you to be

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Speaker 1: as clear as possible. Give us the three to five things.

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Speaker 1: If I am, you know, wanting to attend a protest

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Speaker 1: in my town or travel to a different place to

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Speaker 1: go and do that, what is it that folks should

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Speaker 1: know or should find out before they go. Great question.

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Speaker 1: There are so many things that you should know and

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Speaker 1: should do. First, make sure that you know the local

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Speaker 1: laws and your state laws regarding you know, assembly, and

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Speaker 1: is this assembly going to be on private property and

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Speaker 1: know where you're going to be, right, because there's a

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Speaker 1: freedom of speeches protected in public spaces but not private spaces,

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Speaker 1: and if you approach upon that, you really need to

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Speaker 1: know what's at risk for you. Second thing you need

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Speaker 1: to know is you know what you're going to bring.

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Speaker 1: Right coming to or organized demonstration and a protest, you

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Speaker 1: need to be prepared. You need to make sure that

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Speaker 1: you have a phone, that it's charged. You need to

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Speaker 1: know that you should have lawyer's numbers written on you

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00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: in case you've lost your belongings. Right, who are you

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00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: gonna call? You've got those numbers written and sharpie so

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00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: they're not going to come off of you in a

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Speaker 1: much come on, Right. You should definitely bring you know, cash,

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Speaker 1: you should bring your phone, You should bring clothing that

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Speaker 1: doesn't trap chemicals, face masks, and you need to make

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Speaker 1: sure that you have friends who know where you are,

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Speaker 1: that they know where you're going, that they know sort

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Speaker 1: of when you're going to be checking in. And that's

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Speaker 1: really important. And I think we learned that during the insurrection,

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00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: right there was a woman who showed up to protest

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: and went missing, and no one knew where she was

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00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: and come to find out she was deceased. She had

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Speaker 1: been trampled in the insurrection, but no one was really

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Speaker 1: sure where she was for a very long time. So

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00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: have a plan. Make sure that people know where you're at,

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: make sure that you can check in with them, and

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00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: people you know know where you're going to be, and

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: that you're you're safe after you've attended you know. Also

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00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: making sure that you know what your rights are. If

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Speaker 1: you're being questioned in your state? Are you required to

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Speaker 1: produce your driver's license if asked for it? If you

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00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: do have to produce it, I think you should think

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Speaker 1: about whether you take that with you right that could

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00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: keep you detained longer. In some states, if you have

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Speaker 1: identification on you, you need to know you know what

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00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: questions you can and cannot answer, what you should answer

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Speaker 1: without an attorney present. Everything is state specific, which is unfortunate,

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00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: but there are things that you can do very simple

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Speaker 1: googles to make sure you know where you're going, who

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Speaker 1: you're going with, what your rights are, a number of

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Speaker 1: an attorney or your local you know acl you if

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Speaker 1: you must somewhere you can call for legal help. If

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00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: you find yourself in a predicament but most of all,

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Speaker 1: show up and be prepared and be safe with your

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Speaker 1: own person. Don't take weapons, don't think take anything that

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Speaker 1: could be construed as a weapon, and really be mindful.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other thing that I like to tell

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Speaker 1: people is make sure that you have a camera, if

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Speaker 1: your camera. If you do not have a camera on

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00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: your phone, that's hard to believe that some people still

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Speaker 1: have phone, my mother. But take a camera with you.

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Speaker 1: And if you see something or you experience something, you

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00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: need to document it, and you need to document it

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00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: with photo evidence and write it down. If you can,

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: take a note in your phone I saw this, this

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Speaker 1: is who it was. If it was an experience with

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Speaker 1: an officer of the law or anybody in authority, get

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Speaker 1: their name, get their badge number, document as much as

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Speaker 1: you can. And the other thing I would say to

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Speaker 1: people is if you don't want to protest and you

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00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: want to participate and be helpful in any way, understand

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: what you can do as a silent observer in these situations.

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00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Those are critically important roles people. They are very witness

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Speaker 1: to what's happening and documenting if there's any harm being done.

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Speaker 1: And I think as we see the rise and temperature

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Speaker 1: of you know, police intervention and force some brutality at protests.

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Speaker 1: We need silent observers who are documenting and they can

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Speaker 1: step in with factual evidence of what's happened. So there

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Speaker 1: are different ways for you to protest and get involved.

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately we need to be doing all we

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Speaker 1: can and these moments not just on the abortion issue,

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Speaker 1: but we still need to be marching for equity and

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Speaker 1: inclusion and against police brutality. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: things to do, so pick a day there's something to

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Speaker 1: march on the show up and be prepared one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Thompson, thank you so much for making the time

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Speaker 1: to join. Willkthan thank you for laying out you know

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Speaker 1: how protests have changed, and that you know our safety

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Speaker 1: and how we keep ourselves safe evolves with what we

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Speaker 1: are seeing presented at those that are still trying to

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Speaker 1: gather peacefully, and so I think that it's critical the

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Speaker 1: steps that you outlined, and really appreciate you and hope

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Speaker 1: that you'll come back and join us again soon. It's

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Speaker 1: absolutely my pleasure. I think we've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to do and it's important that we continue to

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Speaker 1: march on together. Thanks for having me, thank you. It's

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