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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of iHeart Radio

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<v Speaker 2>Saying somebody got shot as fire Personnaco.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, somebody got shrial, but I did playing there man.

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<v Speaker 3>He's laying on the car and there was a white

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<v Speaker 3>man just went by with two guys in it. The

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<v Speaker 3>man just went gone, now walk forward. We did not

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<v Speaker 3>the two thirty two thirty four went out a whitey. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well there go, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A going down thirty color chwards your distraction. I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>with sixty four, okay. Sean taken information the asters all

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<v Speaker 2>the way. I'm the possibatoration.

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<v Speaker 4>A call in the evening on October ninth from a

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<v Speaker 4>source saying, you need to get out to Manassas. There's

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<v Speaker 4>been another one.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Washington Post reporter Josh White.

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<v Speaker 4>There was nothing more than that. I was given a location.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew the area, so I knew that they would

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<v Speaker 4>have shut down the intersection right by the gas station.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went past the gas station, got off onto

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<v Speaker 4>a side road and came up the back way, and

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, well, if you wanted to get a really

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<v Speaker 4>good view of the crime scene, you would go up

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<v Speaker 4>onto this hill. There was a Bob Evans that overlooked

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<v Speaker 4>the gas station from across the road. Standing there on

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<v Speaker 4>that hill and looking down at that crime scene, it

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<v Speaker 4>was lit up at night. Somebody standing there would have

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<v Speaker 4>been framed fully in light. It's like a lit up

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<v Speaker 4>target with a million access points. They had shut down

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<v Speaker 4>the parking lot and they were interviewing everyone who was leaving.

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<v Speaker 4>I drove up and I got into an adjacent parking lot,

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<v Speaker 4>and I walked right to where I thought.

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<v Speaker 5>Would be the best view.

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<v Speaker 4>That, too, was something that the snipers realized that that

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<v Speaker 4>was the best view of that gas station view because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fairly certain I stood directly next to the vehicle

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<v Speaker 4>that they had been using to kill tons and tons

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<v Speaker 4>of people facing the gas station below.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a ruthless person on the loose.

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<v Speaker 6>What I nerves this community the most is the randomness

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<v Speaker 6>of the murders, ordinary people doing ordinary things.

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<v Speaker 5>They killed the five people in one day and then

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<v Speaker 5>went on the rampage for the next month.

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<v Speaker 7>It is quite a mystery.

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<v Speaker 5>The police say they have never had a crime quite

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<v Speaker 5>like this.

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<v Speaker 8>Be careful, these guys are using weapons that are going

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<v Speaker 8>to go right straight through our bulletproof vests.

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<v Speaker 9>The white.

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<v Speaker 5>From iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. This is monster DC sniper.

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<v Speaker 10>Nine sniper attacks in eight days have the Washington metropolitan

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<v Speaker 10>area on high alert. Since last Wednesday, seven people have

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<v Speaker 10>been killed and two wounded. One was a thirteen year

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<v Speaker 10>old boy who was critically wounded at a Maryland middle school.

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<v Speaker 10>The latest shooting took place just after eight o'clock last night,

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<v Speaker 10>about thirty miles west of Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 5>October ninth, two thousand and two. It has now been

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<v Speaker 5>a full week since the spree of sniper killings began

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<v Speaker 5>in the DC metro area. Most of the attacks had

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<v Speaker 5>taken place in Maryland, except for one shooting at a

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<v Speaker 5>Michael's Inspontsylvania, Virginia, but now the snipers were on the move.

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<v Speaker 11>On October ninth, the week following the Montgomery County shootings,

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<v Speaker 11>a man who worked in an office building in Manassas

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<v Speaker 11>was out pumping gas not too far from where he

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<v Speaker 11>worked got named Dean Myers.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Dave Statner, reporter for Channel nine News.

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<v Speaker 11>He's on Sudley Road and Saint Prince William County, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 11>and he's just pumping gas and shot and killed.

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<v Speaker 5>Bob Myers. The victim's brother, spoke about the shooting at

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<v Speaker 5>a press conference.

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<v Speaker 12>I would like to know the reason that would help me,

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<v Speaker 12>but I recognize that whatever reason it is, it won't

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<v Speaker 12>be a good one.

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<v Speaker 5>This attack sent a ripple through the region. It was

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<v Speaker 5>the third shooting to take place at a gas station.

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<v Speaker 5>As Channel nine reporter Dave Stander points out, now the

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<v Speaker 5>people of Virginia had a lot to worry about.

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<v Speaker 11>This is where you're really starting to notice how cautious

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<v Speaker 11>people are filling up with gasoline. People are being extremely

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<v Speaker 11>cautious and once again, like the people the first day

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<v Speaker 11>we knew about this, the woman vacuuming our car, the

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<v Speaker 11>taxi driver who's pumping gas. This happened to Dean Myers.

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<v Speaker 11>He's filling up with gasoline. So now the real focus

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<v Speaker 11>is what do I do when I'm pumping gas. I

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<v Speaker 11>have to get gasoline from my car. There are gas

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<v Speaker 11>stations that are starting to put up barricade or harps

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<v Speaker 11>to block your people are ducking around the other side

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<v Speaker 11>of their vehicle, or putting the nozzle into their vehicle

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<v Speaker 11>and walking away from the vehicle, trying to get some

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<v Speaker 11>sort of cover. So people are clearly scared filling up

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<v Speaker 11>with gasoline, and this shooting of Dean Myers just added

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<v Speaker 11>to that fear.

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<v Speaker 5>Who could have imagined that somewhere as mundane as a

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<v Speaker 5>gas station could become the impetus for such crippling fear.

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<v Speaker 5>I visited the Sonoco station in Manassas, Virginia, where Dean

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<v Speaker 5>Myers was killed, and the scene brought back some vivid

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<v Speaker 5>memories from that October in two thousand and two. Maybe

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<v Speaker 5>one of the indelible images that I have in my

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<v Speaker 5>mind from those days. I mean, it really is of

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<v Speaker 5>seeing the blue tarp that was serving as a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of a barrier protecting people. So people are pumping gas

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<v Speaker 5>and they're essentially under around behind this blue tarp. And

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<v Speaker 5>the other thing I recall is hearing stories of cops

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<v Speaker 5>being asked by folks who needed a fill. Hey, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>give you some extra money to fill up my gas

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<v Speaker 5>tank because I'm so afraid. I'm afraid to do it myself,

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<v Speaker 5>Would you take this extra twenty to fill up my

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<v Speaker 5>gas tank? That sort of speaks to how much fear

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<v Speaker 5>there was at the time. I think the other thing

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<v Speaker 5>that we can't imagine today someone getting away with all

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<v Speaker 5>of these episodes, all of these attacks and not clearly

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<v Speaker 5>being established on some kind of surveillance cameras, some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of CCTV. In two thousand nineteen, come on, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>even attempt something like what we're talking about now shooting

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<v Speaker 5>someone dead in a Sunoco gas station. But we're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about two thousand and two. We're also talking post nine

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<v Speaker 5>to eleven, so you're talking about putting more of those

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<v Speaker 5>systems in place.

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<v Speaker 13>At that point, we still have officers at the scene

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<v Speaker 13>searching for evidence, going over it iculously.

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<v Speaker 5>Police believed they were on the sniper's trail. At a

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<v Speaker 5>press conference following the Dean Meyer shooting, officials revealed what

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<v Speaker 5>type of vehicle they thought the snipers were using.

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<v Speaker 7>The only information we have on a possible vehicle was

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<v Speaker 7>a white mini van described as a panel vehicle, meaning

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<v Speaker 7>it had only front passenger windows.

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<v Speaker 13>The rest was solid.

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<v Speaker 5>Officials thought the snipers might still be in the area,

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<v Speaker 5>so police set up roadblocks on the streets near the

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<v Speaker 5>crime scene. Nearby parking lots were shut down. No one

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<v Speaker 5>was allowed to leave. Hundreds of people were stopped and questioned,

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<v Speaker 5>but no suspects were detained. Officer Stephen Bailey's job was

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<v Speaker 5>to scout the Bob Evans parking lot for potential witnesses.

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<v Speaker 5>He remembers approaching one specific vehicle. The driver inside said

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<v Speaker 5>he was on vacation. This man also said he'd been

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<v Speaker 5>directed into the parking lot by another officer. Bailey said

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<v Speaker 5>the man was quote very polite and very courteous, and

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<v Speaker 5>so with no reason to detain him, Bailey let the

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<v Speaker 5>man leave. It would be months later that Officer Bailey

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<v Speaker 5>had a terrible realization the man he met that day

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<v Speaker 5>was the killer they were looking for.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that, in a lot of ways is a

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<v Speaker 4>microcosm of the challenge that was facing everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Washington Post reporter Josh White. He told the

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<v Speaker 5>story of standing near the killer's vehicle at the beginning

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<v Speaker 5>of the episode, but like Officer Stephen Bailey, he didn't

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<v Speaker 5>think anything of it.

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<v Speaker 14>At the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody knew who they were looking for, nobody knew what

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<v Speaker 4>vehicle to look for. Nobody knew the mechanism of the shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>Was it coming from a car, was it coming from outside. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>when they found the vehicle, it was obvious to everyone

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<v Speaker 4>why the vehicle was so difficult to detect. It was

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<v Speaker 4>an engineered killing machine. It was built in a way

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<v Speaker 4>to avoid detection. It was altered in a way that

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<v Speaker 4>if you you were to walk right up to it,

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<v Speaker 4>you wouldn't think twice. It wouldn't strike you externally as

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<v Speaker 4>anything to worry about. I thought, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>they're ever going to catch this person. It really showed

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<v Speaker 4>the vulnerability. It showed that if somebody wants to go

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<v Speaker 4>after someone who they have no connection to, randomly in

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<v Speaker 4>a metropolitan area, that's millions of people, what's stopping them?

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<v Speaker 15>For me?

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<v Speaker 4>That was one of the scariest moments. That shooting highlighted

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<v Speaker 4>how difficult this all was and how frightening it all was.

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<v Speaker 5>This shooting also marked another major shift in the case,

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<v Speaker 5>one that greatly raised the stakes for the snipers.

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<v Speaker 4>They I think unbeknownst to them, obviously, they had committed

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<v Speaker 4>a crime in a county that had one of the

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<v Speaker 4>more aggressive prosecutors from a capital punishment perspective, Paul Ebert, do.

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<v Speaker 16>You a distinction, but not unusual occasions happened.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Paul Ebert, Virginia's longest serving prosecutor. I spoke

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<v Speaker 5>with him at his office in Prince William County. He

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<v Speaker 5>remembers when Dean Meyers was shot in his district.

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<v Speaker 16>My daughter had strange enough about a half a block

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<v Speaker 16>where it has happened. When it happened, you out a bank.

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<v Speaker 16>I went to the scene. I got normally do on

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<v Speaker 16>a murder case. We don't have that many murders. It

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<v Speaker 16>helps me to be able to visualize what's going on.

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<v Speaker 16>A lot of press, a lot of people. The body

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<v Speaker 16>was gone, chucked around. Of course, it was pretty ivous

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<v Speaker 16>that the snipers had done this before, the history leading

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<v Speaker 16>up to it, and he I had no idea if

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<v Speaker 16>and when would ever get the case try. I talked

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<v Speaker 16>with a couple of reporters that I knew, and I

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<v Speaker 16>did say that if this is a sniper, it looks

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<v Speaker 16>like it is just a death case. Absolute some kind

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<v Speaker 16>of a great mitigating factor. It was a capitol case.

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<v Speaker 5>Paul Elbert was issuing a direct threat to the snipers.

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<v Speaker 5>We went on television that day to say that quote

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<v Speaker 5>this case, if I have anything to do with it,

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<v Speaker 5>will be prosecuted in this jurisdiction to the full extent

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<v Speaker 5>of the law. Ebert has sentenced more inmates to death

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<v Speaker 5>row than any other Virginia prosecutor. So if the sniper

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<v Speaker 5>was following the news, they would have known that if caught,

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<v Speaker 5>they would eventually face the death penalty. The snipers weren't

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<v Speaker 5>done in Virginia, as the area was still reeling from

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<v Speaker 5>the death of Dean Harold Myers. Tragedy struck once more.

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<v Speaker 5>Channel nine reporter Dave's Statter was there on.

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<v Speaker 11>The morning of October eleventh, two days after Dean Myers

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<v Speaker 11>has shot pumping guests in the Monastass area of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 11>Further south, in the Vicksburg area, there's another man shot,

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<v Speaker 11>fifty three year old Kenneth Bridges. He's shot dead pumping

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<v Speaker 11>gasoline at Nexxon station. This is just off Interstate ninety five,

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<v Speaker 11>of heavily traveled roadway between Richmond and Washington, this portion

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<v Speaker 11>of I ninety five. We worked our way down there

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<v Speaker 11>to just off the highway, and it was difficult getting

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<v Speaker 11>to that scene. The traffic was just horrendous because the

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<v Speaker 11>roadway was shut down just off I ninety five. Police

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<v Speaker 11>were probably stopping vehicles coming and going. As we're traveling

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<v Speaker 11>down to the scene, we're being passed by convoys of

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<v Speaker 11>federal agents heading down there and police from other jurisdictions

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<v Speaker 11>trying to get through the same traffic, but they at

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<v Speaker 11>least have lights in siren. We finally went onto some

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<v Speaker 11>alternate routes and work away up to the scene and

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<v Speaker 11>we see police. There's tons of police there. We get

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<v Speaker 11>there and here we are watching now, which to us

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<v Speaker 11>is almost eerie and bizarre. Yet another person pumping gasoline,

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<v Speaker 11>shot dead, doing what we all do every day, and

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<v Speaker 11>the tension is continuing to grow.

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<v Speaker 5>Shortly after the crime scene was secured, Virginia Police held

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<v Speaker 5>a press conference. They described how they responded and what

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<v Speaker 5>they were searching for.

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<v Speaker 17>We are looking for a white van that may had

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<v Speaker 17>a ladder rack on top of it. We do not,

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<v Speaker 17>in our stress, we do not know if it was

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<v Speaker 17>involved in the shooting or not. It was seen in

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<v Speaker 17>the area by several people, and we do want to

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<v Speaker 17>talk to those people. We had a Virginia State Trooper uniform.

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<v Speaker 17>Trooper was across the street from the shooting work in

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<v Speaker 17>the traffic accident. He heard the shots. He ran directly

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<v Speaker 17>across the street and rendered aid through the victim until

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<v Speaker 17>the rescue squad arrived. Once at the hospital, the victim

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<v Speaker 17>was pronounced dead.

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<v Speaker 5>The victim, Kenneth Bridges, was a family man. He had

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<v Speaker 5>six children and the wife of twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously, everyone was devastated at this horrendous act. In this

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<v Speaker 6>horrendous event, losing a loving, hunt husband and a strong, giving,

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<v Speaker 6>caring father. Since that time, however, I have seen the

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<v Speaker 6>family become stronger and stronger as the hours go by.

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<v Speaker 5>Bridges was from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He had just been passing

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<v Speaker 5>through the DC area when his life was tragically cut short.

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<v Speaker 5>Friends say Bridges was a pillar of his community. He

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<v Speaker 5>co founded Mata, a nonprofit company which fosters black owned businesses.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm telling you this was a near perfect man who

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<v Speaker 18>loved his family, who loved his people. Kenny was a visionary,

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<v Speaker 18>a man with great purpose, single minded purpose that he

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<v Speaker 18>had built his entire world around. Ken Bridges has infected

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<v Speaker 18>thousands and thousands of people all across the country with

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<v Speaker 18>this vision.

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<v Speaker 5>Of his The impacts of the d C sniper attacks

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<v Speaker 5>were spreading further and further. Families and communities all across

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<v Speaker 5>the country had now been affected in various perable ways.

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<v Speaker 11>We're realizing that this thing is not getting smaller, it's

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<v Speaker 11>not getting narrower, it's getting larger.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Channel nine reporter Dave's statter again.

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<v Speaker 11>All along this ninety five Carter people are being attacked.

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<v Speaker 11>We see it in Montgomery County, Maryland, Prince George's County, Maryland.

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<v Speaker 11>We're still trying to figure out what's going on, Why

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<v Speaker 11>is this happening. We're talking to police every day, and

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<v Speaker 11>it was clear they were having a bit of a

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<v Speaker 11>time making sense of why these attacks were occurring at

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<v Speaker 11>these locations, and that just really added to the fear

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<v Speaker 11>of everybody because nobody could make clear sense of it.

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<v Speaker 5>By this point, ten people had been shot for what

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<v Speaker 5>seemed like no reason, and the public had very little

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<v Speaker 5>information to go on. All anyone knew was to be

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<v Speaker 5>on the lookout for a white van or white box truck.

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<v Speaker 5>The public was losing confidence in law enforcement's abilities. Police

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<v Speaker 5>were under tremendous pressure to catch these killers. Things seemed

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<v Speaker 5>to be working, So what was their plan?

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<v Speaker 12>We had strategies, I mean, I started out and I

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<v Speaker 12>had a mission.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Drew Tracy, retired Assistant Chief of Police from

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<v Speaker 5>Montgomery County.

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<v Speaker 12>We had to protect our first responders, we had to

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<v Speaker 12>protect the citizens, but we also had to have that

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<v Speaker 12>investigative role and that ability to stop what was going on,

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<v Speaker 12>and that was our mission.

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<v Speaker 5>But how would they find the shooters? Tracy says they

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<v Speaker 5>employed a tactic known as a drag net. It starts

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<v Speaker 5>with police creating a large perimeter around a crime scene

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<v Speaker 5>to ensnare any potential suspects.

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<v Speaker 12>We actually had circles that we put on a map,

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<v Speaker 12>so if a shooting went out, we knew that vehicle

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<v Speaker 12>could only go in fifteen or twenty minutes so far,

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<v Speaker 12>so we tried to slow things down, slow it by

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<v Speaker 12>slowing traffic almost type of roadblocks. And what we did

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<v Speaker 12>is we had immediate action teams.

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<v Speaker 11>We need to be on.

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<v Speaker 12>Scene in two to three minutes of any critical incident

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<v Speaker 12>or possible incident. Then we worked on predetermined roles. I

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<v Speaker 12>went over a game plan and showed if the shooting

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<v Speaker 12>is within this district, here's everybody's predetermined location they had

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<v Speaker 12>to go to.

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<v Speaker 19>And then what we would do.

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<v Speaker 12>Is bring in their support we'd get plane closed units

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<v Speaker 12>who look like normal people try to get closer in

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<v Speaker 12>to try to pick out a suspect or a vehicle.

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<v Speaker 12>So then we could bring in the tactical officers and

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<v Speaker 12>utilize the takedown in a safe way, so we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 12>put people in danger. The thing that I think was well,

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<v Speaker 12>I know for a fact, was really holding us back

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<v Speaker 12>is we didn't get good suspect information. They would put

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<v Speaker 12>out multiple lookouts because people would just scatter from a

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<v Speaker 12>certain area and you had vehicles going in every direction

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<v Speaker 12>and no one knew exactly if one was involved or not.

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<v Speaker 12>So we had a pretty good game plan, but the

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<v Speaker 12>problem was we aren't being provided good intelligence and suspect

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<v Speaker 12>information from lookout that hurt us.

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<v Speaker 5>One incident directly after the shooting of Kenneth Bridges highlights

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<v Speaker 5>this issue. Police searched nearby motels looking for a suspect.

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<v Speaker 5>They had a somewhat fuzzy picture of the suspect from

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<v Speaker 5>a security camera and with a description from that, police

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<v Speaker 5>detained and questioned a man at one of the motels,

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<v Speaker 5>but it was quickly the termed he wasn't the sniper,

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<v Speaker 5>and so by the end of the day, no viable

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<v Speaker 5>suspects have been arrested. As the shooting spread further from DC,

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<v Speaker 5>nearby jurisdictions were biding their time, fearful that at any

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<v Speaker 5>moment an attack what happen in their area.

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<v Speaker 19>I was absolutely sure that we were going to get

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<v Speaker 19>a shooting. My name is Bruce Gooth. I'm a retired

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<v Speaker 19>lieutenant from Fairfax County Police Department in Virginia. Fairfax is

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<v Speaker 19>four hundred square miles by one point two million people,

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<v Speaker 19>and I was sure we were going to get hit

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<v Speaker 19>sooner or later. Sure enough, on October fourteenth, one of

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<v Speaker 19>my guys who was working called me on my cellphone

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<v Speaker 19>and said, Hey, I think we just had a sniper

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<v Speaker 19>shooting down at the Home Depot, which is the False

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<v Speaker 19>Church area of Fairfax County, which is right at the

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<v Speaker 19>border of Arlington County in Fairfax County. He said that

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<v Speaker 19>a woman had been shot in the head underneath the

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<v Speaker 19>parking garage.

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<v Speaker 5>The victim was forty seven year old FBI analyst Linda Franklin.

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<v Speaker 5>She was loading shopping bags into the trunk of her

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<v Speaker 5>car right before she was shot. Linda was with her husband,

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<v Speaker 5>Ted Franklin, who then called nine to one to one

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<v Speaker 5>in distress. A warning The following audio could be upsetting

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<v Speaker 5>to some listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you at and with the home people.

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<v Speaker 3>Un roughed.

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<v Speaker 2>You had shot? Was shot? Two shot of the hood.

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<v Speaker 19>So I got in my car and I drove down

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<v Speaker 19>to Falls Church. I was one of the first detectives there.

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<v Speaker 19>My first memory was the smell of diesel diesel fuel

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<v Speaker 19>from the ambulance. There was an ambulance parked underneath the

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<v Speaker 19>parking garage. Inside the ambulance was mister Franklin. They had

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<v Speaker 19>put him in there. Obviously he was quite distraught. It

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<v Speaker 19>was adistrophic head injury that he witnessed, and he had

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<v Speaker 19>been spattered with blood.

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<v Speaker 5>General nine reporter Dave Statter also rushed to the scene.

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<v Speaker 11>After a long day of working on the sniper case

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<v Speaker 11>on October fourteenth, my Patrick goes off. It's my colleague

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<v Speaker 11>Greg geis telling me there's a shooting right up the

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<v Speaker 11>street at the home depot at the top of our street.

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<v Speaker 11>I race up to the top of the street in

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<v Speaker 11>my car, come into the shopping center and apparently I

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<v Speaker 11>came in from the opposite side of police and fire,

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<v Speaker 11>and I go into this covered parking area outside the

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<v Speaker 11>home depot and I'm pull up and I see a

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<v Speaker 11>grocery cart and it's full of stuff. And I look

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<v Speaker 11>down from that grocery cart and there's a woman's body

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<v Speaker 11>lying on the pavement. Her head is covered with some

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<v Speaker 11>kind of yellow sheet, and I realized, well, I'm way

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<v Speaker 11>too close, and I immediately pull out to just outside

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<v Speaker 11>the covered area and there are police running with police

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<v Speaker 11>tape to secure the scene. I pulled out my home

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<v Speaker 11>video camera and you see in my first video the

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<v Speaker 11>ambulance pull up and go up to look at Miss

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<v Speaker 11>Franklin's body, and the next thing I see are police

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<v Speaker 11>officers running with their guns drawn across Route fifty, a

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<v Speaker 11>six lane highway, to an apartment complex across the street

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<v Speaker 11>where there's a white vehicle that looks sort of like

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<v Speaker 11>a box truck. They have their guns drawn on what

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<v Speaker 11>turned out to be painters who were coming out of

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<v Speaker 11>the apartment building, and they put their hands up immediately.

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<v Speaker 5>The painters were just in the wrong place at the

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<v Speaker 5>wrong time, so police let them go.

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<v Speaker 11>We were reporting. I went live on the air with

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<v Speaker 11>a phone report because I didn't have a live TV

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<v Speaker 11>truck with me and no other crews were there. We

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<v Speaker 11>broke into coverage with what appeared to be another shooting.

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<v Speaker 11>Police obviously had a plan for the next shooting. They

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<v Speaker 11>shut down a good portion of the Capitol Beltway that

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<v Speaker 11>brings Washingrington, DC. They wanted to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 11>could get the vehicle, and the lookout that they knew

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<v Speaker 11>they were looking for that evening was a white box truck.

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<v Speaker 11>They shut down Route fifty, they shut down four ninety

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<v Speaker 11>ninety five, and it created an enormous traffic gym that evening.

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<v Speaker 5>According to Virginia Detective Bruce Gooth, it was quickly clear

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<v Speaker 5>to them that this was a sniper shooting, and they

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<v Speaker 5>had limited time to catch the vehicle before it was

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<v Speaker 5>too late.

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<v Speaker 19>I don't think there was a soul in law enforcement

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<v Speaker 19>that didn't think for a second that it wasn't them.

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<v Speaker 19>It was clear that it was a somewhat long range shot.

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<v Speaker 19>We had our SWAT team put a perimeter up around

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<v Speaker 19>where we were to kind of protect us while we

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<v Speaker 19>were working a crime scene. We had pre planned that.

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<v Speaker 5>Once again, the night ended with no real suspects, but

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<v Speaker 5>perhaps for the first time, law enforcement had a viable

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<v Speaker 5>witness who said he'd seen not just a vehicle but

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<v Speaker 5>the actual shooter. The witness was a man named Matthew Dowdy.

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<v Speaker 19>And he just described a vehicle and he said the

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<v Speaker 19>guy was leaning out like on the driver's side mirror.

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<v Speaker 19>He saw the rifle, saw the shot go off. He

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<v Speaker 19>was inside the parking lot. This guy we had to

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<v Speaker 19>investigate and had two detectives take him back to the

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<v Speaker 19>station and get a statement from him. You know, that

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<v Speaker 19>was the first lead where someone had actually seen somebody.

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<v Speaker 19>That next day after the murder, we had a debrief

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<v Speaker 19>with Montgomery County and all the other jurisdictions.

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<v Speaker 5>Virginia officials shared the specific details of Matthew Dowdy's story.

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<v Speaker 5>He said he saw an olive skinned man step out

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<v Speaker 5>of a cream colored van. The man then shot Franklin

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<v Speaker 5>with an AK assault rifle. Dowdy said. The man then

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<v Speaker 5>got back into the van and drove away. Dowdy described

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<v Speaker 5>the vehicle as a Chevy astro van with a broken

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<v Speaker 5>tail light.

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<v Speaker 19>I'll never forget this Chief Moose ten minutes into when

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<v Speaker 19>we were trying to get everybody settled in, and he

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<v Speaker 19>waved me over. He sat down and he goes, you

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<v Speaker 19>are absolutely nuts for having this meeting and putting out

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<v Speaker 19>all you're going to put out, you know, as much

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<v Speaker 19>as everybody's leaking, all this stuff is going to get

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<v Speaker 19>out that there's a witness. And I said, well, you

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<v Speaker 19>know that that's just the way it is, because I'm

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<v Speaker 19>not holding back information from other homicide detectives. And you know,

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<v Speaker 19>we'll take our lumps. If it leaks, it leaks, and

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<v Speaker 19>you know, we'll deal with it. But I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 19>him shaking his head like you're crazy. But we made

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<v Speaker 19>up our mind. You know, we were going to share

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<v Speaker 19>whatever we had with surely the homicide detectives that we

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<v Speaker 19>were dealing with, and they had helped us in the

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<v Speaker 19>past with other cases, so there are people I could trust.

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<v Speaker 5>This incident was especially puzzling to investigators. Had the snipers

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<v Speaker 5>specifically targeted an FBI agent. If so, was this shooting

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<v Speaker 5>some sort of message sent to law enforcement that not

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<v Speaker 5>even they were safe. Up to this point, there had

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<v Speaker 5>been nothing to suggest that these attacks were anything but random,

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<v Speaker 5>but now investigators were unsure. On top of all this,

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<v Speaker 5>the witness, Matthew Dowdie, described the suspect as an olive

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<v Speaker 5>skinned man with an ak. This reinforced the notion that

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<v Speaker 5>the snipers were potentially terrorists from the Middle East, but

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<v Speaker 5>profilers had determined by this point that that was incredibly unlikely.

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<v Speaker 5>So what was going on here?

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<v Speaker 11>My thought process was maybe different than some others. What's

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<v Speaker 11>going through my mind not what I'm reporting, but what

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<v Speaker 11>I'm thinking clearly at that time is that this is

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<v Speaker 11>some sort of international terrorism, because what I'm rickly realizing

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<v Speaker 11>is that with a few bullets and a vehicle, somebody

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<v Speaker 11>is shutting down commerce in the area, panicking hordes of

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<v Speaker 11>people in and around the nation's capital. And I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 11>here we are, year ofter nine to eleven, this is

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<v Speaker 11>likely some sort of international terrorism. That's just a gut

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<v Speaker 11>I had from watching it. You know, if you live

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<v Speaker 11>in Israel or a place where there's lots of bombings

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<v Speaker 11>and car bombs and bombs on buses and in restaurants,

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<v Speaker 11>you'll live a certain way and you're used to it.

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<v Speaker 11>We're not used to that in the Washington area, where

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<v Speaker 11>there's a lot of random shootings where people are just

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<v Speaker 11>shot doing their routine business. So it's just going through

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<v Speaker 11>my mind, what an unusual way to shut us down

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<v Speaker 11>and to really impact us.

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<v Speaker 5>Channel nine reporter Dave Stanner kept up with the Linda

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<v Speaker 5>Franklin story for the next few days, hoping that the

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<v Speaker 5>witness identification might lead to a break in the case.

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<v Speaker 11>The next morning, they continued doing the lookouts for the

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<v Speaker 11>white van, more stopping of white vans white box trucks,

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<v Speaker 11>but they find out soon that the information they got

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<v Speaker 11>was bad.

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<v Speaker 20>In suburban Virginia Today where the killer last struck, a

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<v Speaker 20>frantic search for clues touched off by a phony witness's

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<v Speaker 20>confession last night, but his story that he'd seen the killer,

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<v Speaker 20>his van his gun was all a lie, and Task

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<v Speaker 20>Force leader Chief Charles Moose was especially worried about that.

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<v Speaker 15>Maybe we didn't hear from some people because they saw

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<v Speaker 15>that picture and they said the person I was thinking

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<v Speaker 15>about doesn't have one.

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<v Speaker 7>It ohs.

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<v Speaker 11>You can see in the back of my video a

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<v Speaker 11>gentleman in the video that I didn't realize who he

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<v Speaker 11>was till later. This a guy named Matthew Dowdy. He

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<v Speaker 11>was thirty seven years old at the time, and Matthew

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<v Speaker 11>Daddy said he witnessed the shooting of Linda Franklin at

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<v Speaker 11>the home depot and what he said was a white

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<v Speaker 11>box truck sped from the scene. Police investigated further Matthew

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<v Speaker 11>Dowdy's claim, and what they determined was that Matthew Doddy,

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<v Speaker 11>thanks to security camera video, they could tell was still

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<v Speaker 11>inside the store when Linda Franklin was shot. He was

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<v Speaker 11>not outside the store in the parking lot area where

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<v Speaker 11>this occurred, in the covered parking area, and they quickly

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<v Speaker 11>discounted his information. Matthew Dowddy. They also found out how

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<v Speaker 11>to long criminal record. He like others, had heard of

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<v Speaker 11>the white box truck in the news. It was prominently

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<v Speaker 11>out there, and thought he went and interjected himself in

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<v Speaker 11>the case he did it, I don't know other than

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<v Speaker 11>I'm sure he didn't have a lot of love for

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<v Speaker 11>police because he had a long criminal record and actually

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<v Speaker 11>had escaped from jail or prison many years earlier in

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<v Speaker 11>another charge. Not too long after the shooting of Linda Franklin,

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<v Speaker 11>the police chief of Fairfax County, Tom Manger, held a

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<v Speaker 11>press conference and said they had the wrong information, made

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<v Speaker 11>it very clear that they were charging this person who

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<v Speaker 11>gave him the wrong information. Apologized for letting the public

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<v Speaker 11>in on this information and it was a bit of

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<v Speaker 11>a setback for this case. An interesting note about Matthew

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<v Speaker 11>Dowdy About two years later and a mile and a

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<v Speaker 11>half away, he murdered and raped a woman at a

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<v Speaker 11>motel in the city of False Church, Virginia, and was

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<v Speaker 11>arrested and convicted for that murder. So his criminal activity

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<v Speaker 11>continued after providing bogus information to police at the Home

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<v Speaker 11>Depot shooting.

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<v Speaker 5>Following this incident, journalist and police alank began to doubt

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<v Speaker 5>earlier witness accounts. What if the first description of a

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<v Speaker 5>white box truck was false and police were on a

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<v Speaker 5>wild goose chase. Some experts came forward with ideas.

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<v Speaker 9>At the time of the DC sniper case. I was

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<v Speaker 9>following the events just as anyone else was. I tended

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<v Speaker 9>to look at them a little bit differently, I think

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<v Speaker 9>because I've been doing this research. My name is Gary Wells.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm a professor of psychology at Iowa State University, and

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<v Speaker 9>my main line of study is the reliability of eyewitnesses.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm looking at it differently, and I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 9>what are witnesses going to be able to tell? Really,

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<v Speaker 9>people process a lot less information than we think. When

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<v Speaker 9>they scan in their environment, They're really only taking in

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<v Speaker 9>a very small fraction of information. They get the sense

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<v Speaker 9>that they're seeing everything, when in fact there's being very little,

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<v Speaker 9>and so therefore a lot doesn't get stored. Moreover, we

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<v Speaker 9>now know that memory changes some over time. You take

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<v Speaker 9>in new information and you kind of stick it in

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<v Speaker 9>with what you remembered, and now you've got a new memory.

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<v Speaker 9>So I guess my biggest interest and concern was how

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<v Speaker 9>the investigators of the DC sniper shootings were proceeding here.

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<v Speaker 9>And I was particularly concerned about this relatively early report

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<v Speaker 9>about a white truck or a white man. The reason

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<v Speaker 9>I was concerned about that was because I thought it

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<v Speaker 9>was premature. I didn't think that law enforcement, under the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 9>should have given much credibility to that report. Somehow, the

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<v Speaker 9>investigators decided to release that information and in effect sort

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<v Speaker 9>of say we're looking for a white van. I think

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<v Speaker 9>that was a huge mistake. There's two reasons to really

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<v Speaker 9>be concerned about that. One is that you're creating a

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<v Speaker 9>situation in which it's very difficult for law enforcement to

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<v Speaker 9>win this game. If it was a white van, then

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<v Speaker 9>you can pretty much guarantee that this person's going to

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<v Speaker 9>switch vehicles because oh, they're onto the white van. We

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<v Speaker 9>can't do that. If on the other hand, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 9>the white van that gives a lot to cover a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of comfort to the shooters, because it's sort of like,

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<v Speaker 9>h they have no idea what they're looking at, right,

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<v Speaker 9>So you just gave them permission to continue with their

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<v Speaker 9>standard mo because everybody's looking for a white van. From

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<v Speaker 9>a witness perspective, it's a particularly bad thing to do,

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<v Speaker 9>because it turns out I did a little bit of

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<v Speaker 9>homework the time to find out that white vans are

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<v Speaker 9>pretty close to the most common vehicle on the road

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<v Speaker 9>in urban environments. And the reason they are is because

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<v Speaker 9>they're so often used as service vehicles. So you know,

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<v Speaker 9>those appliance repair men and those roofers and those plumbers

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<v Speaker 9>and all these companies are driving all over the place

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<v Speaker 9>in white vans. So what happens then is as soon

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<v Speaker 9>as you discover there's been a shooting and you look around,

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<v Speaker 9>you'll always see a white van. So of course, the

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<v Speaker 9>next shooting, white van, next shooting, somebody reports white van.

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<v Speaker 9>Of course, somebody's always going to report a white van

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<v Speaker 9>in any urban setting. You're taking away their opportunity to

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<v Speaker 9>see anything other than a white van at that point,

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<v Speaker 9>and everybody knew to be looking for that. I think

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<v Speaker 9>that was that was a pretty bad mistake.

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<v Speaker 5>But if not a white van or white box truck,

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<v Speaker 5>than what had police seen any other vehicles at the

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<v Speaker 5>crime scenes?

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<v Speaker 14>You know, I'll never understand that. How did they rule

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<v Speaker 14>out all other vehicles and they being police department's, FBI officials, everyone.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Greg Geiss, a photographer and videographer for Channel

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<v Speaker 5>nine News. On October third, the second day of the shootings.

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<v Speaker 5>Greg was covering the attacks.

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<v Speaker 14>I was with reporter Gary Reels. We're driving southbound on

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<v Speaker 14>Connecticut Avenue. I kept the fire and EMS dispatch channels

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<v Speaker 14>locked on several different radios. And what will stick with

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<v Speaker 14>me forever are two different police officers in two different

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<v Speaker 14>cars key their mic and say, you know, I see

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<v Speaker 14>this dark colored crown Fit or Capri, sort of an

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<v Speaker 14>old police looking vehicle driving with the lights on, heading north.

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<v Speaker 14>And I turned to the right and said to Gary Reels,

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<v Speaker 14>I wonder if the sniper's driving a war wagon or

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<v Speaker 14>a hoopdie. A war wagon being a term used for

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<v Speaker 14>old cars that are sometimes used in gang like violence

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<v Speaker 14>by some of what at the time were called cruise

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<v Speaker 14>in the Washington area and a hooptie being just an

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<v Speaker 14>old junk car that are often used sometimes by folks

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<v Speaker 14>who've stolen a car for joy ride or somebody who's

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<v Speaker 14>using a stolen vehicle to commit a crime. I left

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<v Speaker 14>that evening with a feeling that in some way, a dark,

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<v Speaker 14>older model police style Sa'dan may have been involved in

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<v Speaker 14>these crimes. The powers that be arrived at the fact

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<v Speaker 14>that they're looking for a white box truck. I never

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<v Speaker 14>bought into that. Everything I heard indicated a dark, old

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<v Speaker 14>model Sedan, and we would engage in conversation different officers

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<v Speaker 14>in myself and I would relay that story about the

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<v Speaker 14>border vehicles that I heard from Metropolitan Police in Washington,

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<v Speaker 14>and the cops were perplexed that they never got that information.

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<v Speaker 14>They never heard the nu odds of the cops king

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<v Speaker 14>their mic and if you will, flashing a lookout for

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<v Speaker 14>what they viewed were suspicious vehicles leaving a scene.

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<v Speaker 5>In a press conference, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose

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<v Speaker 5>conceited maybe the white box truck identification was a misfire.

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<v Speaker 15>It's not beyond any reality that the person our people

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<v Speaker 15>involved in this would have numerous vehicles that they could

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<v Speaker 15>be using.

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<v Speaker 5>If law enforcement had missed the drop on other suspect vehicles.

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<v Speaker 5>What else could they have missed? Little did they know

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<v Speaker 5>the shooters had actually been trying to contact them for

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<v Speaker 5>the past week. The day after the Lend of Franklin shooting,

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<v Speaker 5>the police in Rockville, Maryland got a phone call from

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<v Speaker 5>the snipers. Good point, what are the people that are

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<v Speaker 5>causing the killing of your ear?

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<v Speaker 3>The terrified, it said, call me God, do not release the.

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<v Speaker 5>Press next time on Monster DC sniper.

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<v Speaker 11>The first time that this area so far south has

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<v Speaker 11>been brought into what seems to be another case of

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<v Speaker 11>a serial sniper attack.

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<v Speaker 15>When I arrived, our victim was laying in the parking

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<v Speaker 15>lot and his wife was sitting on the sidewalk and

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<v Speaker 15>had her husband's head and her lap.

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<v Speaker 12>To the rear of where the showcasing was found, there

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<v Speaker 12>was some type of message that was attached to a tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Do not release to the press five red stars.

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<v Speaker 11>You have our turns.

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<v Speaker 1>They are non negotiable.

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<v Speaker 8>No self respecting terrorists is going to do that. Number one,

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<v Speaker 8>number two We finally get a demand.

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<v Speaker 20>At that point the Sniper Task Force took this information

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<v Speaker 20>and followed it up, and the pieces began to fall

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