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Speaker 1: Welcome to Big Blue Kick Off Live presented by Coors Light.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmilkie is Pauled the Tino. The phone

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Speaker 1: you great to see you? John? It's kind of nice

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Speaker 1: outside after that rain that we had last night, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of cleared up a little bit. And am I

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Speaker 1: have fifty tomorrow? Wow? It's February. That's pretty good. I'll

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Speaker 1: take it, scoff at fifty and you know, actually, you

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Speaker 1: know what I think about it. John. We'll be praying

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Speaker 1: for fifty when we get to Indianapolis in three weeks

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Speaker 1: for the combine exactly. So we're gonna start trying to

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Speaker 1: integrate some poles into the show. Folks, where you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of votes. If you go to the Giants

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Speaker 1: Twitter account, they put up a vote for today. Are

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Speaker 1: you more excited about the draft or free agency? Now

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Speaker 1: we all know the draft is more important, but what

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Speaker 1: has you more excited than polling? I think this is

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Speaker 1: a really good time and I know you Lance probably

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Speaker 1: started doing this already yesterday once the Super Bowl ended,

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Speaker 1: And really, you're not gonna have any NFL news now

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Speaker 1: for sometime. That's league why you're some individual team stuff

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Speaker 1: strickle out. And this is a good time to really

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Speaker 1: transition to the offseason and Giants work they can do

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Speaker 1: in the off season and things of that nature. And

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Speaker 1: obviously the combines in a few weeks, and then really

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Speaker 1: the week after that, free agency hits. So you have

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Speaker 1: the draft and free agency taking center stage here, Paul.

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Speaker 1: And really, with the number of things the Giants still

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Speaker 1: need to fix, they need to do well in both

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Speaker 1: if they want to make a playoff run next year. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you addressed this to me earlier this morning, that's

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Speaker 1: the first thing that I came back with. They've got

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Speaker 1: to do well in both. They had to do well

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Speaker 1: in both last season. And that was phase one of

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Speaker 1: the operation. Dave Gentleman needed to change the way the

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Speaker 1: the bocker room was made up last year. That was

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Speaker 1: the primary purpose. The secondary purpose was to improve the

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Speaker 1: talent level. Well, guess what, now it's time for phase two.

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Speaker 1: Phase two has a primary objective of improving the talent

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Speaker 1: level because I think that locker roole. You can have

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Speaker 1: an opinion on this, John, maybe you disagree. I think

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Speaker 1: the locker room is where they want it to be.

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Speaker 1: I think they're pretty happy with yes, So so now

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Speaker 1: it's now is ever perfect, but nothing's ever perfect, but

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Speaker 1: I think they're pretty happy. Maybe a little more work

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Speaker 1: So now it's basically do everything you can to make

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Speaker 1: the top priority improving the talent level. So now you

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Speaker 1: still want those talented players to be the right type

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Speaker 1: of guys though, too, because you don't want to undo

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Speaker 1: what you did, because that culture can go south quickly.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, I don't want to undo what

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Speaker 1: you did. I think. I think the point is, though,

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Speaker 1: once you lay the foundation, you believe that the logical

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Speaker 1: progression is that as long as you bring in more

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Speaker 1: talent and the team starts to win, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: easier to maintain the proper locker room setting once you

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Speaker 1: start to win games than it is when they're losing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so anyway, all right, so a couple of things

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Speaker 1: we want to touch on there today. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: the draft, we'll talk about free agency, but do you

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Speaker 1: you Let's go a free agency, right, we'll do a

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Speaker 1: free to see first. Pro Football Focus sent out a

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Speaker 1: top fifty free agent list for nineteen and I don't

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Speaker 1: think Paul has seen this one yet because it's not

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Speaker 1: the one that had Lyndon Collins attend, So this is

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Speaker 1: a different one. Um, I'm trying to think I have

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Speaker 1: the best way to do this with you. Who do

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Speaker 1: you think they have ranked as the best available free

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Speaker 1: agent this offseason? Uh, well, let me just see the

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Speaker 1: list of free agents first, because I can't give you

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Speaker 1: And that was the point I was making. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: him at thirty coming off all these injuries? Wow, I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised they rank him that highly. Excuse me? Is that

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Speaker 1: based on the value of the proposed contract he might get?

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Speaker 1: Does it say it does not say specifically? Okay, first

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Speaker 1: top dollar. Now you're assuming, though, that there's gonna be people.

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Speaker 1: There are going to be people lining up to pay

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Speaker 1: him times one. Right. Number three, they got Trey Flowers

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Speaker 1: pass rushers in the league. I have no problem with

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Speaker 1: trade Flowers at three, Brandon Graham at four. Again he's

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Speaker 1: turning thirty one, but a very good edge rusher. Again,

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Speaker 1: highly though he's only twenty six. Also, I get that

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Speaker 1: he's a movable chess piece, elite run defender who might

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Speaker 1: And of course you know about Clownie's injuries. He misses

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Speaker 1: the first question because he didn't play last year. We

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Speaker 1: kind of don't think about him. I wonder if teams

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Speaker 1: They've landed Collins at seven, Frank Clark at eight, another

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Speaker 1: the reason you want to hear their reasoning on Ford.

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Speaker 1: Please do um. The high end from Ford this past

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Speaker 1: season was special. He racked up seventy eight total pressures

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Speaker 1: his next best season had only fifty three pressures. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what a lot of people said about Olivia Vernon when

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Speaker 1: Darby at ten. Yeah, he's a good, good player and

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Speaker 1: Adrian Amos at eleven. Here's the reasoning. Amos has been

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Speaker 1: one of the most consistent safeties in the NFL. His

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Speaker 1: you know what used to do. And Donnikins sue at fourteen.

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Speaker 1: to Jordan Hits at seventeen, Darryl Williams at eighteen, Sheldon

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Speaker 1: are are somewhat significant just because the Giant needs Dave

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Speaker 1: Joan James at twenty one offensive tackle. Yeah. But Bryce

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Speaker 1: so do I. Okay, I'm not high on James Roger

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Speaker 1: Saffold the guard at twenty four, and it's probably the

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Speaker 1: a lot of mileage, Trent Brown, Karan Jackson cornerback. Again.

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Speaker 1: We're deep into the list now, so I can't really complain.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just How would Darius Smith at thirty two?

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Speaker 1: I like him? I think, I honestly believe if the

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Speaker 1: Giants don't get themselves and edge rusher and Smith is

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Speaker 1: still out there in free agency. Of course we know

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Speaker 1: free agencies actually before the draft, but for some reason

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Speaker 1: Wasn't even on the radar before this breakout year. With

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Speaker 1: sixty Sures has versatility inside outside, but it's worth questioning

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Speaker 1: whether two thousand eighteen was a fluke or a sign

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Speaker 1: oversized that Trey Boston at thirty five safety. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: can be your super Bowl caliber quarterback for the next

425
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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years. So I don't I think you can.

426
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Speaker 1: You're willing to leave some value on the table if

427
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Speaker 1: you believe the player is that guy. You know what

428
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Speaker 1: I mean, and and that player can be that guy.

429
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: And you can still think maybe that there's a cornerback

430
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: that has a higher overall grade. But as Gentleman has said,

431
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,959
Speaker 1: quarterback is a unique position. You have to treat it

432
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: in a unique way because it is unique. It doesn't

433
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Speaker 1: work like every other position on the field. I'm kind

434
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Speaker 1: of glad that Christian made this phone call John, because

435
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Speaker 1: I want to clarify something. You know, there are so

436
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Speaker 1: many folks out there who hit me up on the

437
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Speaker 1: show and on Twitter who believe that I'm dead set

438
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Speaker 1: against taking a quarterback period in the two thousand nineteen draft.

439
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Speaker 1: That's not the case personally. I'm I'm not of the

440
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Speaker 1: opinion they should take a QB at number six. But

441
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Speaker 1: if in the second round they really believe that there

442
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: is terrific value there and one of these second round

443
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Speaker 1: qbs at the top of that round they think has

444
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: some potential to be the guy, I would not object

445
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: to that, honestly, because I do know. Eli is getting older.

446
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: Guess why, folks, Yeah, really, I just said it. Eli

447
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: is getting older, and his sands in the hourglass are

448
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: starting to run thin. They do have to start looking

449
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: ahead and thinking about that stuff. So if they took

450
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Speaker 1: a quarterback in the second round, I would not put

451
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Speaker 1: up a huge objection to it. I'd rather see them

452
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Speaker 1: address more defense and offensive line with the first three

453
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Speaker 1: or four rounds. But I would not throw a fit.

454
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: I would I would, you know what I mean, I'd

455
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: be much happier if they took one in the second round.

456
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: In the first round, let me put it to you

457
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Speaker 1: that only because of the players that are available, not

458
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: not not not as a concept right correct? Based on

459
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: the group that's out there, I think there's the value

460
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: is more equivalent to the picks in the second round.

461
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Speaker 1: Whether or not they pick in the sixth pick in

462
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: the second round or they pick lower, I think the

463
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: value is better there. Sadly, the guys that you think

464
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: are probably second round rally values are gonna get picked

465
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Speaker 1: at like eighteen or twenty because that's the way drafts go.

466
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Speaker 1: We'll see, and Christian, you got anything else? Um? Yeah,

467
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't. Uh. I don't feel like they can do

468
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: that for a third year in a row. I think

469
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Speaker 1: they either have to be all in or just not

470
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Speaker 1: do it. And I know it's not Gettleman that did

471
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Speaker 1: it the first year. But I mean two quarterbacks in

472
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Speaker 1: the mid rounds two years in a row. I don't

473
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't be a fan of that. I don't

474
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Speaker 1: know that the second round could be considered a mid round. Yeah, Paul, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

475
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: but as far as you know, getting your next guy

476
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Speaker 1: in the second round, and I mean, you know, that's

477
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: just kind of hard to do. But but yeah, with

478
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Speaker 1: Eli this year, I think they need to get him

479
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: another weapon. No, no, no, Christians stop. The last thing

480
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: this team needs is another weapon. They couldn't get the

481
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Speaker 1: high in the draft. Not high in the draft. You know,

482
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: I just meant, since we're talking about quarterbacks right now,

483
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, looking at Eli, I think he's gonna need,

484
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: you know, definitely another guy because where you know, I

485
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind getting in what position they could use a

486
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: tall receiver, John, This group of receivers are small. They

487
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: need a tall guy. They needed a Brandon Marshall type

488
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: and that didn't work out. He turned out not to

489
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Speaker 1: be Latima And in this draft there's yeah, I'm with you.

490
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to see them get a six ft four

491
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver or at least the six three guy who's

492
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Speaker 1: got great length. I'd like to see them add one.

493
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: That's day three, but it could easily be day three

494
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: and I'm fine with that. May not even have to

495
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: draft him, Christian thanks to the call. And if you

496
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: want to go add a six three six ft wide receiver,

497
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: maybe that kid from uh DOS that was at the

498
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl from you See. I think that's a guy.

499
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: You can maybe look at one of those small California colleges.

500
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: I forgot exactly what I believe. Fungus is a free

501
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: agent with the Panthers. Slow, Okay, I'll pass, and that's fine.

502
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: That's fine. Uh Sills is the other guy from Virginia Tech.

503
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: He's the other tall receiver who I liked. But anyway,

504
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem again getting that. But you're

505
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: talking from you see Davis. That's fine. But you could

506
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: also go free agency with that. That's not an issue.

507
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: Here's what here's what the Giants need to do. Okay,

508
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: they need to if I can get political, build a

509
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: wall in front of Eli Manning. Build the wall, folks,

510
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: strike carefully and right now. That means resigning Jamal Brown,

511
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: and it means getting a true stud right tackle who

512
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: can be had as late as the second round. John.

513
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: From what I could tell, I don't think you're finding

514
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: a stud tackle late in the second round. It seems

515
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: to me that because of of some of the other

516
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: positions that are getting pushed up, specifically on the defensive side.

517
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: I think that early pick in the second round you

518
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: could find a guy much like her who's going to

519
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: compete for a starting job right away. You said late

520
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: second round. Now in the second round, Oh, I'm sorry,

521
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: I misheard you. Um where they took Hernandez, they could

522
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Speaker 1: find a tackle that's starting opening day. I think I

523
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: believe that it's hard. I think the best tackle you

524
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Speaker 1: can get, and he might not even be there early

525
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: second round, is the Dillard kid. I don't have brought

526
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Speaker 1: with that, and I think there might actually Paul and

527
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: I think from what I've seen, I think you might

528
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: have four offensive tackles, and if Dillard moves up enough,

529
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: five picked in the first round this year, you can

530
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Speaker 1: have the four kid from Oklahoma, little Jonah Williams, Dillard,

531
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Speaker 1: and then who am I missing? No, maybe those are

532
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: the four and those four guys could all those guys,

533
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: all four could theoretically be gone when the Giants come

534
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: to pick. It's not and Rise was the fifth guy.

535
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. Those are the I knew, I forgot somebody

536
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: might drop those. No, so what might drop with the quarterbacks?

537
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: Who might sneak up into the bottom of the first round?

538
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: Those those are the And look, this is the same

539
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: thing we last year. Remember we listed like six or

540
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: seven interior guys and we and you know, James Daniels

541
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: is in there, the kid from Ohiouse State was in there.

542
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: Um will Hernandez was in there, and we said Isaiah

543
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Winn was in there. And any of these six or

544
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: seven guys are there for the giants in the second round, boom,

545
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: good value. Same deal. If and obviously Joan Williams isn't

546
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: and for it isn't from Oklahoma, but if little Dillard

547
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: or risener there, you can think about it. It's pretty

548
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: hard not to take one of those guys up there there.

549
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: And look, I think we of course, depending on what

550
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: you do in for agency too, Yes, we we pretty

551
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: much thought and correct me if I'm wrong, John, I

552
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: think we both came out of the combine thinking Hernandez

553
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: was going to be somewhere in the early to mid twenties.

554
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking early to mid twenties. Yes, That's why

555
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: I was. I was somewhere between somehow. And you remember

556
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: you were here on draft night. No, you were the

557
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: draft and I was here. You're here, okay, because I was.

558
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: I was so focused that out of my mind that

559
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell you he was in a ladder. And

560
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: when he was on the board and the Giants came

561
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: up to make the call, it was like, oh, baby,

562
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: I gotta take the hog bolly, And they got him,

563
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: I think. And if there if there is a will

564
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: her Nandez from the Senior Bowl class, it has to

565
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: be Risener just because of his attitude. I know. He

566
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: doesn't play exactly the same position. No, he could be

567
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: a guard. And the thing about Risinger too is that

568
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: he he's position flex. We can play three spots for you,

569
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: which which I think helps to five on three. Let's

570
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: go to Anthony and Charlestown. He's up next. Hey, Anthony,

571
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Anthony going once? Hey, what's up buddy? Hi? All right?

572
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Two things? One running back value to a trade. Um,

573
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I free agent improved the dass. Okay, so first thing, um,

574
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're running back. The one thing I keep

575
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: looking at is how many touches of the years are

576
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: running back get um. I mean Sea Kwon Barkley this year,

577
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: I think got somewhere around three hundred and thirty. If

578
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: you get close to four hundred, you're starting to get

579
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: into like, oh boy, we're gonna kill this poor kid tempatory.

580
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: So I would say, I would say, on average sing

581
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Speaker 1: for your really good running backs, somewhere around three hundred

582
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: and fifty, give or take fifty something like that. So

583
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: just doing some simple man right, that's over five years.

584
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: Let's say you know you ruin the tread on the

585
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: tires touches over five years more than that is around

586
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: a hundred. You know, she got a top guy, and

587
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: maybe he lasts longer, maybe he lasts ten years. Yes,

588
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: that's only a thousand a thousand touches. So like the

589
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: amount of times and running back actually touches the ball.

590
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how that doesn't factor into

591
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: the analytics or or why somebody us worse what they

592
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: need to be worse. And he hears that. You see

593
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: some of that resurgence you know with the running backs

594
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: now because of how many different ways they are getting

595
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, I agree with you, Anthony, and I

596
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: think the one thing the analysts people do say is

597
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: what sets some running backs apart from others is their

598
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: ability in the passing game. So in that part of it,

599
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: you're right. But I think the issue with running backs,

600
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: and this has been my point all along too, is

601
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: and we saw as a Balkley this year too. By

602
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: the way, no other position on the field is as

603
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: impacted another group is running backs are you could be

604
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: the best running back ever. If you're in from a

605
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 1: really bad offensive line, ain't gonna matter. So why am

606
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: I gonna go out there and pay him running back

607
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: of a jillion dollars if I also have to pay

608
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: an offensive line in front of the bazillion dollars and

609
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: them to be good. I would rather have the guy.

610
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: If you put a wide receiver outside against the corner,

611
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: guess what, he doesn't even help to win. He should

612
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: have go out there and beat that guy. Well. The

613
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: only other thing I would say to that John just

614
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: hold on half a second, is that you do need

615
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: the quarterback to get enough time to get the ball

616
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: out to him. You do, but I did. I've been

617
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: on my opinion and we've seen wide receivers. Heck, look

618
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: at the years Beckham have had has had and for

619
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the bad Giants offensive line. It's a little bit easier

620
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: for a receiver to put up numbers than are running back.

621
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Speaker 1: And I just don't think, Anthony, you don't have the

622
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: drop off um from You know, we've seen these teams

623
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: with good running games have their really good running back

624
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: at hurt and then next night comes in he and

625
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: he rushes for a hundred. George too. I mean, I'll

626
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: take the Rams word for it that Targo was healthy.

627
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: They let's see j Anderson run the ball more than

628
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, you you were the Chiefs lose

629
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: Cream Hunt. Did you think the Chiefs offense was any

630
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: worse after cream Hun? You know, they were better for

631
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: a couple of games, but that identity was gone. I

632
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I Anthony, I don't think there was a significant drop

633
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: off much at all. To be honest with yeah, I don't.

634
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that there was. I mean, Anderson had

635
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: at three straight hundred you are games at the end

636
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: of the season for the rank. Well, I almost about

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs with cream Okay, well, because Mahomes was doing

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Speaker 1: what Malomes was doing back. But here was the thing,

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Speaker 1: Here was the thing that counters the the devaluation of

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Speaker 1: the running back. The thing that counters that is that

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Speaker 1: you will have the special guys, the Walter Payton's, the

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Speaker 1: Emmett Smith's, the Hall of Fame kind of guys who

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Speaker 1: the truth is, they are that great for eight, nine

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Speaker 1: ten years, not nine or ten years. You went through it.

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Speaker 1: Eight was the max. Eight was the max. It was

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Speaker 1: the max. Paul I went through it. On the end.

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Speaker 1: You went, you went up, you went through the the

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Speaker 1: guys who were all ten thousand. There was a significant

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Speaker 1: drop off after year second or eight. Alright, but eight years,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'll take your word for it because I

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Speaker 1: haven't sat down. I appreciate it. No problem. That's still

652
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Speaker 1: the second contract. It's barely into the second contract. Well,

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Speaker 1: if the guy gets his first deal, they pick up

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Speaker 1: his option, that's five. Then he usually signs a four

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Speaker 1: year deal, could be five, depending on how long the

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Speaker 1: deal is. Usually it's so and again it takes him

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Speaker 1: through through seven. If he gets the eight, right, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: you know it takes it takes yeah, but it's right.

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Speaker 1: It gets him beyond the eight year barrier that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, I agree. If you can it can't

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Speaker 1: be done. If you get that special guy there's no

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Speaker 1: reason to think he can't give you ten thousand yards

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Speaker 1: over eight years, even more than that. And again, Anthony,

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Speaker 1: I'm not debating how special stake on Barkley is. I

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Speaker 1: said last week on the show, he's as close to

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Speaker 1: a perfect player as I've seen since I've been here.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just not a big like. For example, I

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Speaker 1: was listening to other day to Serious X of NFL Radio,

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Speaker 1: and a Cowboy fan calls up and it's like, we

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Speaker 1: really need to draft the running back there, should help

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. Well what other what? What? What? No? I'm

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Speaker 1: serious though, what other position in the NFL? If you

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Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame level player at that position,

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Speaker 1: do you need to help that guy at that position?

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Speaker 1: There's no other position where well, he can't run it

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent of time, he can only be on

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Speaker 1: the field for eight of the snaps. There's no other

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Speaker 1: position that has to be off the field for a

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Speaker 1: quarter of the game in order for them to be effective.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's another thing with me or the

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Speaker 1: running back by it, I said that that sometimes touches

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Speaker 1: the game. That's why it's I guess the biggest argument

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Speaker 1: that counters what you guys are talking about, is the

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Speaker 1: offensive weapon argument, as John said earlier, past past receiver. Correct,

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Speaker 1: because when you have a guy like a say Kwan Barkley,

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Speaker 1: or going back to my day back in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: the first running backs who truly became offensive weapons in

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Speaker 1: the new vote kind of passing game situation, you are

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Speaker 1: Lydel Mitchell of the Colts and Chuck Foreman of the

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Speaker 1: Vikings who went back to back seasons let the NFL

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Speaker 1: with over seventy catches a piece. They were the first guys.

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Speaker 1: They were the precursors to the Roger Craigs, the Thurman

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Speaker 1: Thomas is in the world. I know, you know those

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Speaker 1: guys young man over here next to me, um and

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Speaker 1: so and so that becomes a different dynamic because when

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Speaker 1: you put that guy on the field, the defense is saying, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, is he really a running back? Is

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Speaker 1: he a slot receiver? Because he's gonna wiggle out of

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Speaker 1: the back and is he going why? And that goes

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Speaker 1: to the point that Anthony tried to count to me there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you say, you know he you know, he has to

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Speaker 1: get spell but is not on the field. But then

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Speaker 1: his impact in that way Paul is gone if he's

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Speaker 1: not on the field right right, But if he is,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to get the ball. He can

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Speaker 1: just go line it up outside the backfield, and you

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Speaker 1: gotta worry about Governor Anthony what else he got we

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Speaker 1: had to run? Yeah, you can be that much more creative.

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Speaker 1: And my unfair trade bomb and some player but armchair

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Speaker 1: GM type stuff. You know, you got three first rounders

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Speaker 1: at the scipe position and the second rounder you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe you know trade in Evan Ingram trying to get

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Speaker 1: a high second round pick. You go defensive end or

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Speaker 1: tackle at six. You still got thirty seven. You can

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Speaker 1: potentially move high back in the second round and you

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Speaker 1: pick up either another interioror guy which balances your offense.

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Speaker 1: You've put more talent on the offensive line. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're a little bit more spread than you know at

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Speaker 1: the skill position, but you still got some decent guys

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Speaker 1: at tight end, right with Ratte Ellison and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So sally unfair, but remind me of the Jimmy Graham's

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Speaker 1: fraide right when they got Max Hunger from Seattle and

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Speaker 1: it solidified their line and rooperis was okay after that.

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Speaker 1: So enough, I just want to throw it out still

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Speaker 1: bomb out there. Thank you ahead, I I appreciate the calling. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks for calling, thanks and thank you for listening. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Here's the thing, you're gonna have to replace

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram if you do something like that. I don't

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00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: think this team wants to. I think they want a

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Speaker 1: receiving weapon that can, you know, win one on one

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Speaker 1: and make some plays at tight end. I think most

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Speaker 1: teams want that now, Paul, it is a very good

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Speaker 1: tight end draft. It's one of the best tight end

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Speaker 1: drafts in years, maybe a decade. There's gonna be anywhere,

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Speaker 1: from my understanding, five to eight tight ends that are

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Speaker 1: going in the first two rounds. You might have two

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Speaker 1: tight ends from the same program go in the first round,

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Speaker 1: which has never been seen before. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I want to I don't want to sell on Evan

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Speaker 1: Ingram now. I want to see what he can what

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Speaker 1: he can do, especially after his last four or five

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Speaker 1: games in this offense, after Beckham got hurt. You know

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Speaker 1: how I felt about him coming out of school, and

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00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: he has improved slightly as a blocker, slightly, and I

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Speaker 1: will say that he truly showed how dynamic he could

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Speaker 1: be over the final few weeks of this past season,

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Speaker 1: which was his second year in the league. People say

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Speaker 1: to me all the time, for yet forever, it's that

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Speaker 1: third year in the league where you need to make

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Speaker 1: your breakout season correct. So I'm prepared to hold my

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Speaker 1: breath and say, Evan Ingram, this is your number three.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what you got, big boy. And and if

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Speaker 1: he can really ball out and kick some button, catch

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Speaker 1: seventy passes and show some improvement in blocking and stay

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Speaker 1: on the field more importantly, then I think the Giants

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Speaker 1: did real well with him to five one three. Hashtag

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Speaker 1: Giants Chat. I will get to your tweets at the

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Speaker 1: end of the show, so make sure you send them

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Speaker 1: in hashtag Giants Chat. You could attached pawn I to

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Speaker 1: are you doing great? Back? What's up? What's up? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Always good listening to you and talking with you. Um

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Speaker 1: I was listening this morning to yesterday's show. I think

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Speaker 1: it was Paul and Lancey Um and I wish I

767
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: jotted a couple of things down, but I knew I

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Speaker 1: wanted to call about this. Uh, Paul, I don't remember

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Speaker 1: word for word what you were saying, but I think

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Speaker 1: it was something about either Haskins or the quarterbacks. And

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Speaker 1: you were talking about, um that there's no you you like,

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Speaker 1: unanimous opinion about who the best guy is. UM, and

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Speaker 1: you were talking about maybe like a guy that you

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Speaker 1: would like where there's a big sample size and where

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Speaker 1: someone that shows that they could work in an offense

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Speaker 1: where they're picking up multiple reads. Right, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Yeah. The the comment was there was

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Speaker 1: not a unanimous opinion that there was a blue hip

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Speaker 1: lock stock home run hitting quarterback. It wasn't that who's

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Speaker 1: the best most people believe. I think almost everyone believes

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Speaker 1: Haskin is gonna be the number one quarterback. Taking correct

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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that at all. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: there seems to be a wide scope of opinions about

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Speaker 1: how good Haskins is. Some people think he's the top

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Speaker 1: five something, he's the top fifteen. Some things he's maybe

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Speaker 1: even early two. So you're right, there are some wide

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Speaker 1: reaching opinions on how good Haskins is. That's there. We

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Speaker 1: just had John Ledyard on the show last week. He

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Speaker 1: has him is the second round. He said, he's mid

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Speaker 1: second rounder. So you know that's that's a problem when

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Speaker 1: when you're picking that high as the Giants are at

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Speaker 1: number six, in my opinion, it doesn't make a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense unless they are all in on a guy.

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Speaker 1: And maybe they are upstairs they know more than we

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Speaker 1: do and they certainly aren't going to tell us, okay,

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Speaker 1: But but unless they are really confident and all in

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Speaker 1: on a guy, for them to take someone at six

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Speaker 1: who has such a wide ranging scope, that seems to

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Speaker 1: me to be very, very risky. You better be done sure,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion at number six is being a guy

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Speaker 1: who's gonna give you something and he's gonna be really good.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this too. They've get him and doesn't give

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Speaker 1: a you know what about what other people think he

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Speaker 1: does not, which is why if he's all in on him,

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Speaker 1: he better take him. And that and that's not going

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Speaker 1: to affect this thinking. Go ahead, Marco, No, no, that's

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Speaker 1: that's true. And I so when I was listening to

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Speaker 1: you say that, and thanks for recapping that, because it's

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Speaker 1: a little more clear for me. Um. I've been following

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Speaker 1: the draft for a long time, and when you said that,

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I was like, well, geez, I

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Speaker 1: was like, every year, with the amount of guys that

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Speaker 1: are coming back coming out, you don't have, uh, you

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Speaker 1: don't have that strong opinion about one guy where everyone's

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Speaker 1: united on it. I was thinking about last year's group,

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Speaker 1: but I even went back. I was like, the last

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Speaker 1: time I remember, everyone was sold on one quarterback was

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Speaker 1: probably luck Um and I was thinking to myself, Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'd love to call Paul. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy on today. I love to call Paul and ask

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Speaker 1: him to years ago what did he think of Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: because I will tell you just following that Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: compared to at the time as like a almost like

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Speaker 1: far where this guy is just no sample size, very

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Speaker 1: very green, but a crazy good arm. He's gonna throw,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make you, he's gonna give you adja, whereas

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Speaker 1: the amount of interceptions that he's gonna throw. But um,

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Speaker 1: let him come in, let him learn an NFL offense.

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Speaker 1: And then at the time of the draft, where people

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Speaker 1: were talking about, was like, well, there's teams around the

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Speaker 1: league that are in love the Patrick Mahomes. The guys

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Speaker 1: that really cover the draft were like, I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: you can get your heartbroken with this guy. Think you're

834
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Speaker 1: gonna about that? No? No, do you absolutely like Marco?

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Speaker 1: Patrick Holomes is not a short thing. Remember he played

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Speaker 1: in something that didn't even come close to resembling an

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Speaker 1: NFL offense. So that so that I, frankly and I

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Speaker 1: didn't I did not study the quarterbacks that year because

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Speaker 1: I didn't think the Giants were in mix for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't take a close look of the Homes.

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Speaker 1: I didn't take a real close look at Rabitsky. I

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Speaker 1: didn't take a close look at the Shawn Watson. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say I had a very strong opinion.

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Speaker 1: But for people that talked about Mahomes being a top

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Speaker 1: ten or fifteen pick because of all those things you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I was skeptical. Here's what I will say. I found

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Speaker 1: a much stronger opinion, and if not unanimous, close to unanimous.

848
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, quarterbacks who were taken

849
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: first overall in the last ten years Goff had a

850
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: much stronger feeling. Some people like Wins better than some

851
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: people like I liked Wentz better, But everybody thought those

852
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: guys were top five picks. I agree with that. That's

853
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: not the case with this guy. Okay, Haskins does not

854
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: have the approval rating that Goff had. Now. Last year,

855
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: I think most people thought that Donald and Mayfield were

856
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: top five picks too. Most people did. They certainly had

857
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: a higher approval rating. Wentz had a higher approval rating

858
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: the Haskins did. Winston did not. Okay, he went number

859
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: one in fifteen, Luck did in twelve. He certainly had

860
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: a higher approval. You think most people thought Winston was

861
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: the top five pick. I don't think so. A lot

862
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: of it was because of attitude of maturity. Okay, a

863
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: lot of people downgrade I was more thinking about on

864
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: the field stuff. That's fair. Loft the field stuff downgraded

865
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: him a lot. That's fair. That's fair. Cam Newton was

866
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: almost unanimous. Everybody thought that this guy's tools, he's gonna

867
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: be a real blue chipper. So he had a higher

868
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: approval rating than Haskins did. Sam Bradford did. In two

869
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: thousand ten, Matthew Stafford had a higher approval rating in

870
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: two thousand nine. You know, you have to go way

871
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: back to two thousand seven with JaMarcus Russell, who everybody

872
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: knew how a cannon of an arm, but they questioned

873
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: whether or not he was very good at reading defenses.

874
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: I guess my point, and I'll jump off after this.

875
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: I guess my point is even thinking about the draft

876
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: with Mahomes watching the side, we're like Watchington was at

877
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: the time, like great college quarterback, but you just didn't

878
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: know because he was he just a guy that that

879
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: needed to move and we were skeptical, skeptical about that

880
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: with injuries. But as far as Traubinsky and Mahomes, zero

881
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: sample sized, and what I've seen from those guys thus far,

882
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: now that there is some sample sizes, they've been able

883
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: to get with coaches that could that could highlight their

884
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: skill set. And I don't know if Haskins could do

885
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: that with Pat Shermer or or what. I don't know

886
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: enough to say that. Well, here's more He's thing about

887
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Haskins though, he has a NFL pocket quarterbacks skill set,

888
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: so I don't think you would have to mold your

889
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: offense around him. I think he has the tools where

890
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to customize something around what he did

891
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: in college, You know what I mean? Yeah, I just

892
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: I think though, that's kind of where things things are

893
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: at now. Is like, if a guy may not be

894
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: ready because we're constantly pushing people up and we're pushing

895
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: this potential as far as it can go, he probably

896
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: won't be ready. But I guarantee you a team that

897
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: thinks that they could fit him into whatever they're doing

898
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: and take care of him and put been a winning

899
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: situation will take him and we'll make sure that he's

900
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: set up right away. And I guess I wanted to call,

901
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: but I'm curious. I was like, what does what did

902
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Paul think of Patrick Mahomes? And now Mahomes is suddenly

903
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: the guy that gets compared to everybody, But he's done

904
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: it for me though. I'll tell you, I'll be honest.

905
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: I won't judge someone that comes from any time. I

906
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: won't judge Tyler Murray. I won't. I don't want him

907
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: as a starting quarterback of our team, but I won't

908
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: judge him because I think there's enough coaches and enough

909
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out there now that tell us you can make

910
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: it work so well thank you, Marco. Appreciate the company, Marco.

911
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: Two answers for you. Mahomes. I liked, but I did

912
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: not think that Kansas City made the right pick to

913
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: go up and trade for the tent spot. I thought

914
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: that he had reached a little bit for him. I

915
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: didn't think he was going to be worth that. Ha

916
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: ha ha. He proved me wrong, at least in his

917
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: first and right now on his first season of a

918
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: full starting, he clearly proved he was worth And by

919
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not all in on Trabisky either. By

920
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not very high on Trabisky, to be

921
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: perfectly frankly, and I think he's an average NFL quarterback.

922
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm not don't think he's gonna be great. And I

923
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: know some people are gonna get mad at me about this,

924
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: and my positive Jared Goff is a far above average quarterback.

925
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: You know what I told you. I was much more

926
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: all in on Wentz, still more all on Wentz even

927
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: though he was hurt. I'm still more on Wentz. As

928
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: far as the other point that I wanted to to

929
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: get with you on is that my personnel guy who

930
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: said to me independent not from this building, said to

931
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: me that Haskins is a mid second round value value,

932
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: not where it's gonna be picked, but value. Right, He

933
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: said to me, I think he could be a good

934
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, but it's gonna be three or four years

935
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: down the line. So my question to you, then, is,

936
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: if you're talking about developing guys, let's just say it

937
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: does take three or four years to develop them. Even

938
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: if I wanted Eli Manning to be the guy in

939
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty. What kind of risk are we talking

940
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: about if you take a guy at number six who

941
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be three or four years down the line

942
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: in development. To me, that just enhances the risk. It

943
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: makes it a risk your pick, which is just another

944
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: reason why you don't take him. It says, all right,

945
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: well we're talking about this, I guess I'll do it.

946
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: Um Ah. I watched about eight games of Dwayne Haskins,

947
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: so I have a real good feel for him. I

948
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: watched the last eight games of the year, last seven

949
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: games of the year more or less, and then I

950
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 1: watched the early game against Penn State. Um I also

951
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: watched Kyler Murray for about four games. So I'll give

952
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: you my take on both of you guys. I've talked

953
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: about the other guys, none of which I think their

954
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: first round values. Um, I believe Dwayne Haskins is the

955
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: first round pick. I'm not convinced. And again, I even

956
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: looked at enough of the other players that in this

957
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: draft to you know, rank where he would be in

958
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: this class because I don't have a feel for the

959
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: other players yet. You know what I mean. Do I

960
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: have him on the same level as I had Mayfield

961
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: and Donald last year? I do not. If you take

962
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's injury problems out of the equation, I have

963
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: him below Rosen on my list. I believe he is

964
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: a far more polished passer in a way Pro game

965
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: wants you to be a polished passer in terms of accuracy,

966
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: using the pocket, things like that. Then Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

967
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I have him better than those two guys. Here's what

968
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: I saw when I watched Haskins. He is not an athlete,

969
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: all right, He's not mobile. He does and this is

970
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: something Pro Football Focus told us last week, and I

971
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: watched it. I thought it was accurate after I watched

972
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: the tape. Does not handle pressure well. His feet get

973
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: real messy when there's pressure in his face problem. Extremely

974
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: accurate passer mid range between the wide college hash marks.

975
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: If you want a guy to complete a fifteen yard incut,

976
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: he's your guy, and he'll hit it on the money

977
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: with good velocity, and he anticipates well, he'll throw the

978
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: ball before guys come out of their breaks. He'll do

979
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: those types of things that you want a NFL quarterback

980
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: to do. But again, not gonna create things off schedule

981
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: where he's gonna scramble, run around and make a play

982
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: feat at messy under pressure. I feel passes outside the numbers,

983
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: once you start getting more than eight yards down the field,

984
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: can be inaccurate and not the most accurate thrower down

985
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: the field. I do like the fact, and that mean

986
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: on deep balls now he's very good in that intermediate

987
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: tend to twenty yard area. He got better from the

988
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: start of the year to the end. I feel in

989
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: the start of the year he would settle too much

990
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: for short throws, and you would still see sometimes late

991
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: in the year he wouldn't take a chance on something

992
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: down the field and you throw it short. That's something

993
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: John Ledyard said to us last week. I saw that too,

994
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: but I thought I got better as the year went along,

995
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: and I think for someone like that who only has

996
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: one year playing, getting better over the course of the

997
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: year is actually really important to show that he's an

998
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: ascending player. And I do think he's an ascending player.

999
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: I think he will be a good pocket traditional, big bodied,

1000
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: good arm, can make all the throws starting NFL quarterback.

1001
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't think there's as much of a developmental need

1002
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: as your guy talks about. Now, every guy can use

1003
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: a year. I'm not gonna say he couldn't use a year,

1004
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think this is a three or four

1005
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: year process. I would feel really good about picking him

1006
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: between fifteen and twenty, feel real good about it. I

1007
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: don't know. Again, I have to look at the rest

1008
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: of the players. I even looked at all the other

1009
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: guys yet to compare him. So I'm not gonna tell

1010
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: you where I have him on my list. I'm just

1011
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: going be based on what I know about draft prospects.

1012
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I will say this, I would not trade

1013
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: up for him. I will say that with confidence. I

1014
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: would not trade up for him. And that's the trick

1015
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: for me personally. At six, he'd be in the converse station.

1016
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen everybody else yet, so I can't say

1017
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: he'd be my pick or not. My guess is that

1018
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: once I get done with everybody else, I will have

1019
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: a handful of other players that will probably be on

1020
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: the board then that are probably better graded players. But

1021
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: I do think Dwayne Haskins will be a good starting

1022
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. But I don't think at least right now,

1023
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: he would be in that. I think he's going to

1024
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: be a great NFL starting quarterback, and that's where I'll

1025
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: leave it. I shared this with with the guy who

1026
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: watched the house stayed extensively and know who actually knows

1027
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: guys on the coaching staff and knows that he's only

1028
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: asked to look at the first or second receiver. He

1029
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: doesn't go for the third or fourth receiver. He has

1030
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: not got many options. I have seen him go through

1031
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: progressions he does. He doesn't go past the second what

1032
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm told, And he also and he also makes adjustments

1033
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. So so my guy said

1034
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: to me, you know he is he is not a

1035
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: one read quarter It's a it's a teaser to read

1036
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: to read quarterback, is what I was. I have seen

1037
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: him read both sides of the field. So it's a

1038
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: very simplistic offense. And and so as a result, you

1039
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: know he is going to have to to really progress

1040
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: and getting to that third and fourth read. Yeah, but

1041
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: I think every college quarterbacks like that now. But well,

1042
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of them are. I'm not gonna

1043
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you a lot of them are,

1044
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: because a lot of them are. And that's what we

1045
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: talk about when we talk about system quarterbacks. And I remember,

1046
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, years ago, when I talked about Russell Wilson

1047
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: being my opinion, he's not anymore, by the way. And

1048
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't think Haskins is a system quarterback, by the way.

1049
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I don't what what what happens is if if your

1050
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: guy is most comfortable in some stretch or facet of

1051
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: the job that is limited in some way, that's what

1052
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: identifies him as a system quarterback. And particularly it's if

1053
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: they only run certain routes, or they favor only between

1054
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: the numbers, their only favor outside the numbers, their only

1055
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: favor certain um a certain like progressions only first and

1056
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: second progressions, doesn't go for third and fourth progressions very much,

1057
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: don't give him enough of outlet options, don't give him

1058
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: enough read it the line of scrimmage options where you

1059
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: can alter stuff. That's what makes a complex offense complex.

1060
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: My guide said to me, I suspect the second season

1061
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: NFL playbook. His mind is going to be absolutely blown

1062
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: because what they're running in Ohio State is not nearly

1063
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: complex enough to even come close to what an NFL

1064
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: playbook is. But again, I think it's like that for

1065
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: every college. In a lot, well in a lot of cases,

1066
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: it is. We do have a lot of these system

1067
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: guys coming out. But well, here's the thing I think

1068
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: that's not that's not a lot. There are a ton

1069
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: of other players though that I think we're far more limited.

1070
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: And again, you haven't watched him yet, so you have

1071
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: been yourself some cut ups exactly. So from what I've

1072
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of quarterbacks the last few years.

1073
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: I can't wait till we get the Ohio State guy

1074
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: on when we're doing our preview. I want I want

1075
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: to know what he knows about their game plan and

1076
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: what he knows about what they run. I've watched from

1077
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: what I watched, and I watched a ton, I'm not

1078
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: as concerned with him being able to read defenses that

1079
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: that is not my major concern with him watching him play. Okay,

1080
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: that's just that's fine. That's fine. Now there are other issues.

1081
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: Like I said, point is well, and I think there

1082
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: are other issues to point is, you're not taking them

1083
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: at six, nor what I if we had the call again,

1084
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know yet. I haven't watching the guys yet.

1085
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: And there you how could you say that? What if

1086
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: you hate all the defensive ends. I'm basing that strictly

1087
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: on intel that I have gathered from people in the

1088
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: business who do this for a living. I got you, right,

1089
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: I like I like to watch myself here we go,

1090
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: So do I. Ben, and and you're right, based on

1091
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: the combination of everybody else's opinions, I wouldn't either. I'm

1092
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: with Ben and Richmond. He's um next. Hey, Ben doing great.

1093
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear it. Hey, Look, first of all,

1094
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: I'll get in the half of this thing real quick

1095
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: here in a minute. But to me think the off

1096
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: season plan should being number one, try to strengthen this

1097
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: offensive line from Cree Agency. Probably. I love Juwan James

1098
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: the right tackle from day. I'm not how much he's

1099
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna kind of, you know, be looking for in the market.

1100
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: Very up and down career, very up and down, very

1101
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: inconsistent player over the course of his NFL career, but

1102
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: he would be up to the top right tackle out there.

1103
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: Signed him and then and then a veteran center and

1104
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: uh maybe Matt Pratt was the Parenus maybe him as

1105
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: at center. Um, but I think that you gotta get

1106
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: some veteran guys. No, but Ben, Ben, I've been I

1107
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: want to stop you. I want to stop you. Ben.

1108
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: If you go and sign those two guys, you're out

1109
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, that's probably. But yeah, And that's the problem.

1110
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: Thing is, you know it's Olivia, it's Olivia Vernon. I mean,

1111
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: are you gonna retain Olivia Vernon? If you release Olivia Vernon,

1112
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: you still need an edge rusher And no, no, no no, no, Ben,

1113
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: Ben anywhere now or more? Well, And that's the thing, Ben,

1114
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: if you release them, then you need to because even

1115
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: if you keep Ali Vernie, you need ones. Then you

1116
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: need to. Man, I'm curious, and I'm never one who's

1117
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: gonna pooh pooh enhancing the offensive line. But let me

1118
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: tell you something, right tackle, they definitely need a big upgrade.

1119
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: Is a good kids? Now about that? Chad Wheeler to me,

1120
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: is an NFL backup. He should not be starting. I

1121
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: understand that. I'm not afraid to say that. I like

1122
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: the kid. He tries very hard, but his level of

1123
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: production says he should be a backup. Okay, James is

1124
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: starter in this league. I still think he's been inconsistent.

1125
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to shoot a little higher, and I think

1126
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: I could do better in the draft. But having said that,

1127
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 1: the center spot Spencer Pulley did a very solid job

1128
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: for this team during the Stretchler and and I'll tell

1129
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: you to the franchise and the real quick then the

1130
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: coach and the GM, but both go out of their

1131
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: way every time they talk about center. But how much

1132
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: they like Hallapeo, they do so to me, if if

1133
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: Olipeo is healthy and he if he wants to battle

1134
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: with with with Pulley, which is what's going to happen

1135
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: unless they get a significant upgrade, but at what cost? Okay,

1136
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that is not a high priority. Because

1137
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: if if Pulley, who by the way, is only three

1138
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: years in the league, John that okay, I think he's

1139
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: only three years in the league. Okay, let me tell

1140
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: you something. Who is Pully? No, he's he's he's he's

1141
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: because he's uh, he's a restricted free agent, so he's

1142
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: definitely not more than five. I guarantee you that. In fact,

1143
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't even think he's. Yeah, he's a kid, right,

1144
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: he's he's young, he's in and April okay, so he

1145
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: still got upside. And remember he started a full season

1146
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: for the Chargers two years ago, so this is not

1147
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: like you can't count on this guy. Here's what I

1148
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: would say. If Spencer Pulley is your fifth best graded

1149
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you're doing real well. If your line says

1150
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: that he is your third best offensive lineman, that's not

1151
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: so great. But if he's your fifth best offensive lineman,

1152
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: you can go to the playoffs with that guy. I

1153
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: got no problem. Still comes down again, can get you

1154
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: can get Jaman Brown resigned for a decent price again Jaman,

1155
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: but with you it wasn't Chris Snee, but he was

1156
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: a pretty good player. He was the upgrade of what

1157
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: was in there before significant what I mean. So if

1158
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: you can get him in a decent price, sign again,

1159
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: like I said, the Jawan Jalan James, and then kind

1160
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: of get the offensive line built through free agency. Then

1161
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: in the draft you saw trying to refresh this defense

1162
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: because the defense really has to get looked at big time.

1163
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: All Robby, we gotta run, man, we're past one o'clock. Thanks,

1164
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: good stuff. Hey, Look and right tackle is the top

1165
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: one or two need? Yeah? It is? It is. I

1166
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: mean you can't argue. Let's see for me, I value

1167
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: there's more of a need at edge rusher, at safety

1168
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: and at corner than there is a center. I agree

1169
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: with that. So all right, I Charlie, you gotta be

1170
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: really quick here because I promise people I get to

1171
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: their tweets and I still gotta do that. So you

1172
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: gotta be one point and get out guys, Hi, Charlie.

1173
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: Just a couple of things. Hey, um, you know everyone's

1174
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: worrying about Barkley after eight years or ten years. You know,

1175
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: why can't we do this? Why can't we do the

1176
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: same thing that we did with Frank Gifford tournament to

1177
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: a receiver after so many years. Gifford became a receiver

1178
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: after a concussion. Charlie, he came back after a concussion.

1179
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: I know that. But he was a good catching as back.

1180
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: And Barkley is too. You could turn him in to

1181
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Skills diminish a little bit as a

1182
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: running back. This dude could play for a lot of years.

1183
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: That's all I'm putting out there, Charlie. Look, he's one

1184
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: year in his career. There's a lot of really great

1185
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: years of Sa Kwon Barkley on the horizon. I don't know.

1186
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen seven days from now.

1187
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: How might I know what's gonna happen seven years from now? Okay, okay.

1188
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: Near One other point, quick, is that we already have

1189
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: our tall wide receiver on the team. Anthony, one of

1190
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: those great tight ends in the draft you're talking about,

1191
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: can block, and he was a two way guy and

1192
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: turn Ingram into that wide Paul, he's the Paul, Charlie,

1193
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: He's the same player. A team is not going to

1194
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: change how they play the Giants. Whether there's a w

1195
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: R or AT in front of his name, there's no difference.

1196
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: They treat him. They treat him the sea. It's not

1197
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: about what position he's playing. By the way, from the

1198
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: time Tiki Barbera became a starter, he went seven straight

1199
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: years as a featured back and had six thousand yards

1200
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: seasons in those seven years. And I think we all

1201
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: know he still had another year or two of a

1202
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: thousand yards left in him when he retired in the end.

1203
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: But he was a guy too that carries a running

1204
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: back as a primary ball carrier. He did split carries

1205
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: in some way shape or for him right at times

1206
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: she split him a little bit. But my goodness, one, two, three,

1207
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: four years of three rushes and he had the three

1208
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: in a row at the end there, which plus that's

1209
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: fair and and obviously look at the receptions John sixties

1210
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: seventies sixty nine. Let me tell you something. If Kwan

1211
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: Barkley matches Tiki Barber's numbers step for step, it's a win.

1212
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: And there's not a doubter on this planet who's gonna

1213
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: convince me otherwise that's a win. If that's the guy

1214
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: they got, that's a win. Depends where your quarterback is

1215
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: understood understood, because that's a bigger picture question, correct. But

1216
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: in terms of Barkley himself, because I think I think

1217
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: the only thing that's keeping Barber out at a Hall

1218
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: of Fame is because he had horrible fumblitis, and I

1219
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: do think a lot of people take that away from

1220
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: him because he's a borderline Hall of Famer. He really is.

1221
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: I think he I think he's better than one or

1222
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: two of the running backs that have already gotten in.

1223
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't argue that, to be honest with you. I

1224
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: think people do hold against him the fact that he

1225
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: had so many fumbles early in his career, because that's

1226
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: part of the game. I think what happened post career

1227
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: reflects people may not have helped him. All right. I

1228
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: did have a couple of tweets coming. I know we're

1229
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: a little past one, but I promise people I get

1230
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: to him. I want to keep my word here, uh

1231
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: really quickly. Andre. Why does anyone ever bring up as

1232
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: centers in need? How Appeo is twenty eight with six

1233
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: career starts, coming off a big injury. The Giants are

1234
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 1: penciling him and as part of their long term plans

1235
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: are making a mistake bigger need than right guard on

1236
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: par with right tackle. Andre. We kind of just touched

1237
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: on that. Paul mentioned Spencer Pulley. If you want to

1238
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: add a guy on Day three of the draft to

1239
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: compete it center as a young guy, great, I got

1240
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: no problem with that. That's fine, but that's not a

1241
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: position you're gonna spend a large part of your salary

1242
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: cap on or one of your day one or two

1243
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: picks in my aged Uh, Dylan Davis, which rookie last

1244
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: season other than say, Kwan, do you think will improve

1245
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: most heading into next year? I like Lorenzo Carter. Yeah,

1246
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: I answered him two ways. I said, if he was

1247
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: thinking about the league, I haven't thought about it, and

1248
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's really I think he meant

1249
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: the Giant. If he meant only the Giants, Lorenzo Carter

1250
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: would have to be my answer as well. Okay, Um, Lisa,

1251
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: real quick, um, I'm like crazy when I think to

1252
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: say Eli was good last year. If the quarterback is

1253
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: not there at six, we wait, just the idea of

1254
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: winning at quarterback. Look, you don't want to draft the

1255
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: wrong guy. Okay, that's the last thing you want to do.

1256
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: You don't pick and get Leman has said this, so

1257
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm basically parting what he said. It sets you back

1258
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: five years. You don't pick a guy for the sake

1259
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: of picking a guy. Unless you believe he's the guy,

1260
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: you don't take him. I told Lance on the show

1261
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: the other day. I guess it was yesterday. Remember the

1262
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: Giants reached and took Dave Brown out a duke, in

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Speaker 1: Dave Brown in the supplemental draft first round pick. And

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Speaker 1: how did that work out? That's what happens when you reach.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens when you get desperate, especially at quarterback.

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