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That's c R 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: A t E Club dot com. If it doesn't work, 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: you're just not using enough. You're listening to software, radio, 13 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: special operations, military names, and straight talk with the guys 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: in the community on the show for the first time, 15 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: a guy we've wanted to have on for a while. 16 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get him in studio soon, but I know 17 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: you're always all over the place. Man uh C. J. 18 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Ramon most known as being the basis for the Ramons 19 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: from six but now it does his own solo work 20 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: former marine as well, which is kind of how we 21 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: can acted with him. Of course, also just a mutual 22 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: friend of Angel Will Cows and so you're about to 23 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: tour the UK, so it's it's great to finally have 24 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: you on man. Yeah, you called me a good time. 25 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: We just finished up five weeks and uh in Europe 26 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: and then come right literally we landed at JFK. One 27 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: of our crew guys showed up at the airport without 28 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: van pact with gear. We got right in advantage FK 29 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: and started two weeks through the States with a great 30 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: bank called the Aquabats and finished that up about a 31 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: week and a half ago, and now we're taken off 32 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: on the twenty three for the UK. So right in between, 33 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: weren't you also? I saw because you and I follow 34 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: each other on social media, but you're up at You're 35 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: up to your dad's and then you got the phone 36 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: call and that literally yeah, on those on those East 37 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: coast states, we had a day off between Boston and Montreal. 38 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: So I said to the guys and said, hey, let's 39 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: let's stop and see my my old man. He lives 40 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: up in me um retired up there about ten years ago. 41 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: My mom fell and broke a hit. Recently, some my 42 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: my owd man's just been hanging around the house on 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: his own and he lives in a beautiful spot right 44 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: on a lake, right on Lake Morinico. And so we 45 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: we stopped up there to see him, and uh turned 46 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: out the other band had nothing to do that day, 47 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: so we threw a big barbecue with his house. Alcohol 48 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: was flowing. We went down by the beach there at 49 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: the lake. We had a good time and got up 50 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: the next morning to leave. I said to said to 51 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: my own man, I said, a bunch of jump in 52 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: a band and come with us. So he came out 53 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: with us for the last couple of shows. We drove 54 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: back to New York afterwards. She spent a week here. 55 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: I drove him home at seven hours to his place 56 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: eight hours. Just as we walked in the door, I 57 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: got a friend of call from a friend of mine 58 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: in um Panama who was a promoter over there. He 59 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: does h organize a festival for Budweiser every year, and 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: he called me up and said, Hey, our headline had 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: dropped out for the festival. The show is tomorrow. Do 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: you think you can get on a plane and make 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: it to Panama? And I said to him, yeah, sure, 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: what the heck? So I got back in the car 65 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: over to seven eight hours back to New York, got home, 66 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: packed my bag, through my bag at my base in 67 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: the car, Drove over to the Newark Airport, jumped on 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: a plane, flew to Panama, got off the plane, had dinner, 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I had a couple of mohitos, got on stage playing 70 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: the show, came off stage, packed my bag up, went 71 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: back to the airport, down on a plane, and flew home. 72 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: So pretty well two days. Panama is still on my list. 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get down. I've been 74 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: to Columbia of it. I'd love to get down to Panama, 75 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: just see more of South America in general. It's really 76 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it's in Latin America. Panama City 77 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: is probably the most beautiful, since it's unbelievably gorgeous, real modern, 78 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, not hard to find, good food, It's easy 79 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: to get around. It's it's a really nice place. I'm 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: sure the lady there smoke smoke shot Hunt. If you're listening, 81 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: I apologize, but yeah, it's pretty. They ain't lacking in 82 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: good looking girls either. Yeah. Both of you got in 83 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: on on Cuba pretty early too. I know that you 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: visited just probably a few months before Brandon did. Yeah, 85 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: were September, I think that was two fifteen. We got 86 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: in there, we got contact. You know, Uh, Cuba gets 87 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: a lot of their music through South America, so the 88 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Ramon is a huge down in South America. So the 89 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: the head of the cultural department over that happened to 90 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: be a Ramones fan, and he reached out through a 91 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: mutual friend in Argentina and they said, hey, you know, 92 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: we can offer you a cultural exchange. Okay, you're set 93 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: up with a hotel room in a van and and 94 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: somebody show you around the city and uh and uh 95 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: we set up a couple of shows for you. So, um, 96 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: I've been I had been trying to get to Cuba, 97 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: trying to figure out a legal way of doing it, 98 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: and was having no luck. So it was I was 99 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: pretty excited. I'm a huge Hemingway fan. I grew up 100 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: read everything by hemming Away from when I was pretty young, 101 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: so I always had a bit of a fascination with 102 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: the place. So um we uh we actually did a fundraising, 103 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, uh crowdfunding campaign online to to raise the 104 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: money for the flights and and all the costs of 105 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: getting out gear there and everything, and uh it worked 106 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: out pretty good, so we we got to get over 107 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: there and do a couple of shows. It's pretty neat, 108 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: pretty neat. You know. It's funny too, because I've been 109 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: to I've been to Cuba, and I've been to Moscow 110 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg and I was talking with my kids 111 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: one night and and it got to be a little 112 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: bit of a joke. I said, you know, back in 113 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: the eighties, the only way I would have seen uh, 114 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Havana or Moscow would have been at Fixed bayon next 115 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, that would have been the only way I 116 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: would have knocked down those doors. But I said, you know, 117 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: in my lifetime, it's pretty cool that it went from 118 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: that to me being able to go over and play 119 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: music for people. So it's pretty Uh, that's pretty neat. 120 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: Did you get to the Hemingway House. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 121 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: of course I did. Yeah, Okay, I did the same thing. 122 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: We um pretty cool. Yeah yeah, And I've been to 123 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: the one in Key West two I have. I've been 124 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: to that one as well. I'm a Hemingway fan also. 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: All right, all right, so hey, what's I want to ask, 126 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: what's the craziest show you've ever played? Our craziest experience 127 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: you had on tour, we did. You know, the last 128 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: Remon show was a pretty wild one. We played in Um. 129 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: We played in l A at the Palace. Yeah. Um, 130 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: and uh during that show, um, you know, like we 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: had the guys from Ranted came up on stage and 132 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: played with us. We had Letty from Motorhead came up 133 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: and played with us, the guys from Sound Guarden jumped 134 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: up and played with us. We had like a whole 135 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: whole list of like all the biggest artists from the nineties, 136 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, And that was probably like the as far 137 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: as star quality goes, that was probably the wildless event 138 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: I've done. But we did. We did other great stuff too. 139 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: We we played with YouTube for two shows in Spain. 140 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: We um, we did uh like we put in UM 141 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: in South America. We did our last show that was 142 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: a soccer stadium forty five or fifty thou people or 143 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: something like that. So yeah, I've seen some big, bad shows. Man, 144 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: It's really really high end stuff. But you know, it, 145 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: to me, the the ones I always liked the best 146 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: with ones where we played in smaller places where the 147 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: crowds were just insane, and you know, it was the 148 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: energy level in the room is just unbelievable. It's kind 149 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: of neat. At those big shows, you look at these 150 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: people as far as you can see. It's impressive, you know, 151 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: but there's nothing like being in a small room where 152 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: you can smell the alcohol and people's breadth and right 153 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: in front of you. The energy in the room is 154 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: just unbelievable. It's really It really gives you a change, 155 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: It really gets your motivated. That's cool. I was. I 156 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: don't know, um if you've ever played with with no effects, 157 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: but I got into this is an epic argument. My 158 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: friend John and John Bush, who has been on the 159 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: show before. He he was a photographer for Rolling Stone. 160 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: There was a bartender in East Village and started a 161 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: bunch of bars and restaurants. Now he's he's got his 162 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: uh empire gone, but but he is close friends with 163 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: with Fat Mike and man he was. He found out 164 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: I was former military, and he's like, who'd you vote 165 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: for in the election? In the election, I bet you 166 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: voted for Trump. You're such a fucking asshole. And I 167 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: was like, time out, dude, Like I just met you 168 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: and you're a asshole. We just got into it, and 169 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: then he eventually apologized to me. But I had the 170 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: same conversation with a brother. He called me up and 171 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: and uh. I had taken my son to um to 172 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: the Trump inauguration yea and uh and a picture of 173 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: it went up online and I got a phone call 174 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: from when He's like, did you vote for Trump? And bumpa? 175 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: And I told him, I said, because I did not. 176 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: I said I did not vote for Trump. I didn't 177 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: tell him that, like I hand wrote in Jim Matt, 178 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: I see, but I uh, you know, I said, I didn't. 179 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't vote for Trump. He's not my guy. 180 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: But he was like, you know, there's pictures are you 181 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: up on there? He's like, you know, at my label, 182 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: we don't, you know, we don't. We don't want that. 183 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: We don't want to see that kind of stuff going up. 184 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, I get it, it's your label. 185 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I said, but you're you're bucking at the wrong guy. 186 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: Well I did vote for him, but yeah, he is. 187 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: He's hardcore anti hardcore anti. You know. The thing is 188 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: that the punk rock scene in general, it mostly comes 189 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: from that side of the fence. It's you know, in general, 190 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: it's mostly like very very left cleaning but you know, 191 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: for over here on the East Coast, especially in New York, 192 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: it really wasn't about politics and stuff like that. It 193 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: was about people who did things their own way. That's 194 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: what punk rock was about, you know what I mean, 195 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: what it wasn't about, That's all I was. It was 196 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: just when he was, it was just a amcratic party 197 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: in the political process. And that's not punk rock, not not, 198 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: not what I grew up with anyway, Right, Yeah, he's definitely. 199 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: California has always been on the on the left side 200 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: of on the left side of things out there, or 201 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: even going all the way back Black Flag and all 202 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: the the earliest punk bands. Um. But yeah, so I 203 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: had the same conversation with Mike. Yeah, okay, Yeah, it 204 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: got heated. Man. I thought we were gonna throw down 205 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: for a minute there and then here, to his credit, 206 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: he was like, look, you know, I apologize, You're right, 207 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: and I just my My whole thing was, look, if 208 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: we can't sit down and have a conversation and we 209 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: if our opinions differ and have a civil conversation and debate. 210 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: I was like, that's the problem in this fucking country 211 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: right now is knowing everyone's screaming at each other, like 212 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: let's just you know, like talk and share a different 213 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: perspective and maybe you know, you you change your opinion, 214 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: I changed mind, and we see things from different point 215 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: of view. And it was actually I forget that that commercial. 216 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: I think it was a Heineken commercial where they they 217 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: basically they show these videos of like there's a guy 218 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: on there saying how anti gay is and he's just 219 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: going on a rant, and then there's someone you know 220 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: on the political spectrum, and it's all all these people 221 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: these opposite ideas, and what they did was they paired 222 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: him up for this Heineken challenge and they had to 223 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: tackle this problem together. And then when they finished, they 224 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: were like high fiving each other. And then they sat 225 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: down when they were done, and they showed him the 226 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: video and it was like, so there's like a black 227 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: girl and this guy, and maybe the guy was talking 228 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: about affirmative action or something like that, but they showed 229 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: the videos and then they got really uncomfortable, and then 230 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: it just said, look, you have a decision. You can 231 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: crack open a beer and and put aside your differences 232 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: and get to know each other, or you can leave 233 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: the room and and it was just like really cool 234 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: project that they did, you know, and of course you 235 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: know they were like, fuck it, let's have a beer 236 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: and and shoot. That to me is what it's all 237 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: about and what this country sho about anyway. Absolutely, we're 238 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: not advertising on usself. Yeah, that's a big joke about 239 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: about being in the military. To right, you're working with 240 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: people that chances all before in your everyday life and 241 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: you hanging out with your buddies you might not have 242 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: wanted to have anything to do with, but you're get 243 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: into the military and you ain't got a choice. They 244 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: no way around it. Whether you like that guy next 245 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: to you or not, you're gonna get the job done 246 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: with them. So that's exact and and that you're absolutely right, 247 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: that's what the country was built on, you know what 248 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean. And in fact, it's one of our strengths too. 249 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: It's how how we keep things balanced, to make sure 250 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: that everybody's got got the room to do what they 251 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: want to do. As long as they're not dance on 252 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: somebody else's shoes, it should all be good. But yeah, 253 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: it just seems really weird right now, how polarized, and 254 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: everyone's just like in lock step with what that party does, 255 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: or you know what that what that group says should 256 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: be right. And it's everybody trying to tell everybody else 257 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: how they should be living their lives and what you 258 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: should respect and what you should in respect. So every 259 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: it's like paril everyone's paralyzed and afraid to even say anything. 260 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: And I I did an interview the other day and 261 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: it was said, look, I'm not afraid to be a man. 262 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: Like there's this whole feminism movement, which, look, I am 263 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: all about equal women being equal, but the problem is 264 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: that feminism movement has been hijacked by a bunch of feminazis, 265 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: and it's a female world, females at the future, you know. 266 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, look, yeah, maybe in the movie Wonder Woman 267 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: that exists, but you know, we all have to get 268 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: along like trying and existing on your own with meeting 269 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: with males. But the whole thing, it's okay to be 270 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: a man, you know, it's okay to beer, smoke a cigar, 271 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: opened the door for a lady. Like, it's just and 272 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: there's this whole like plassification and demasculinization of men. That's 273 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: when I see it, probably more so in New York, 274 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: but yeah. Anyway, Yeah, I'll tell you, I just came 275 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: back from Europe and I was shocked, shocked. You know, 276 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: they've they've had like a real far reaching revolution over there, um, 277 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: social revolution over there on on on people's roles in 278 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: society and what's acceptable and what's not and it's um. 279 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: It was it was shocking to me how how much 280 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: it's changed over there, um people's attitudes in general. And 281 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying I'm not saying it it's 282 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: right or it's wrong. I'm not trying to judge it 283 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: at all, but the um, you know exactly what you're saying, 284 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: Like I, it's almost they've almost flipped roles. It's almost 285 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: like they're attempting to turn everything on its head to 286 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: bring about change. And you know, for for me, um 287 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: as you know, my time on the planet anyway, what 288 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: I've learned is that things that change slowly usually change 289 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: for good. Things that you try to change quickly. It's 290 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: like it's like with any revolution that happens through violence, 291 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: you're going to have a counter revolution at some point 292 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: because now you set the bar for what it takes 293 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: to change things. And and you know, you know, my 294 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: opinion if that's what we continue to do if we 295 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: don't learn from the past. That's one great thing about 296 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: being a student of history. If you've studied Waffare and 297 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff is you you kind of see and 298 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: and understand the things that work and the things that 299 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: don't work. And the things that work are the changes 300 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: that come around gradually, where people's uh um, where people's 301 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: minds get changed over a long period of time, rather 302 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: than trying to force it down their throat, because there's 303 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: no pushback, you know what I mean. It's a change 304 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: in consciousness, not not in a change, not a change 305 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: in the way they live from day to day. It's 306 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: a changing constant. And that's the kind of change that 307 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: lasts when they just like with the with the communist 308 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: revolutions and all that they can, they hold they held 309 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: onto things for a while, but in the end, you know, 310 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: the biggest ones anyway, except for China, North Korea, pretty 311 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: much they all fail because it's it's it's human nature 312 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: to want to do better for yourself, to want to 313 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: work harder, to to have more things and take better 314 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: carry a family and stuff. And that's a hard thing 315 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: to fight, you know, the hard thing to fight human nature. Yeah, 316 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's what slowly happened in Ukraine with 317 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: that revolution of dignity. It's just yep, you know, just 318 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: they got a taste of it, and there was a 319 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: whole promise of joining the potentially joining the EU, and 320 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: then they tried to crack down and those young kids 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: just rose up and lock you too. They had a 322 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: had a full revolution. You know. It's just kind of like, hey, look, 323 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: this is what we want, you know, we're just going 324 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: to do it inpecially and they got it. They made 325 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: it happen. Yes, So c J really really interested, you know, 326 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: as I'm starting this new podcast, The Power of Thought 327 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: and just dealing with a lot of people's fear um 328 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: and overcoming adversity and just wondering like how what your 329 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: personal experience performing in front of a live audience and 330 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: and you know, is there any issues that you had 331 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: to overcome being a live performer and in front of 332 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: a crowd that you can are share with people and 333 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: so they can maybe help them deal with their own 334 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: fear of public speaking or talking in front of a crowd. Sure, yeah, 335 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: no problem, Um, I just tell the story. Yeah, yeah, 336 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: I would love it. Okay, So the uh, you know, 337 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: the leap from from going from playing you know, playing 338 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: in club bands and whatnot and uh, and then moving 339 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: into playing with the Ramons where we played you know, 340 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: in front of the crowds even some some even bigger 341 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: than that. I mean, really a wide range of audiences 342 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: anywhere from five hundred to you know, like I said, 343 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: and higher. Um, it was it was kind of a 344 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: trial by fire for me because I had no experience 345 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: in playing in front of a cloud more than more 346 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: than a couple of hundred, and definitely, uh, the expectation 347 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: from the crowd was nowhere as near as what it 348 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: was for Ramons. And because I was such a huge 349 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: Ramons fan, I just it was not gonna happen that 350 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: I was going to get up on stage and not 351 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: be completely prepared. So um, uh you have to keep it. 352 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: When I got to the band, I got I only 353 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: had five weeks in between when I got out of 354 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: the Marine Corps and when I did my first uh 355 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: show with the band, So I had five weeks to 356 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: learn forty songs and and five weeks to the day 357 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: I did my first show. So um, I have I 358 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: just developed a a method, really form for practicing and 359 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: preparing that really helped kind of put a lot of 360 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: the push, a lot of the fear to the side. 361 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: And that was just a really strong um practice schedule, 362 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: a really intense practice schedule. I literally lived in my 363 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: in my room for five weeks straight and did nothing 364 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: but play bass. And when I wasn't playing my bass, 365 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: I had it in my hands. I ate din is 366 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: sitting sitting down with my bass. I even slept. I 367 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: had read somewhere that Jimmy Hendrick slept with his guitar 368 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: because he felt like it helped him connect with his guitar. 369 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: I slept with my bass in my bed. I still 370 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: lay on my back and just like you're doing boot 371 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: camp sleep you right for the portals. That's how I 372 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: sampled my bass. And I'm not joking that just that 373 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of preparation really um set me up for uh 374 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: for a good first experience. Now the night of the show, 375 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: of course, the first show, I'm standing in the wings 376 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to go over my head everything that 377 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: I've done. The trick with the Ramones songs is is 378 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: that a lot of them are so similar. At practices 379 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: I would play, I would be playing like the verse 380 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: from one song and break into the chorus of another 381 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: one because some of them are structured so closely, uh 382 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that it's your mind just kind of they will kind 383 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: of bleed into one song at some point. But I 384 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: had I really had to like go over in my 385 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: head before we went on stage and try to like 386 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: separate eight songs. And if you've ever seen a Ramones 387 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: concert or watched one, the songs go one to one, 388 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: one right into another. Every time a song stops, I 389 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: would have to count off one too three for them 390 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: we would saw it to the next one. So even 391 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: separating the songs was was difficult once the set started rolling. 392 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: But that but rehearsal, practicing the way I did, and 393 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: the rehearsal schedule we kept with the ramones um technically 394 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: prepared me for it. Mentally, it's really a whole other thing. Mentally, 395 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: there was no way for me to prepare for being 396 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: a Ramon and stepping on stage and taking the place 397 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: of one of the most legendary bass players and songwriters 398 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: in in punk rock and rock and roll history. There 399 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: was no way I could prepare for that. I was 400 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: a d D fan. When I heard d D left 401 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: the band, I said to my buddy. We were riding 402 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: a car together. I turned on and I said, I'll 403 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: never go to another Ramon show because it ain't the Ramones. 404 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: And those words just rang in my head like as 405 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: a standing there. But um, the the best way for 406 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: me to describe the mental state that I was in 407 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: before we went on stage was just I just had 408 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: to let everything go. I had to I just had 409 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: to let it go. I knew I couldn't go out 410 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: on stage with all these worries and all these fears 411 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: in my head, and then I had a lot of them. 412 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: I really did. It was it was a scary, scary situation, 413 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: you know, the we had the good to band and 414 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: the ugly that thing played before on stage, and I 415 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: had been to so many Ramon shows. As soon as 416 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: I heard that start, I got butterflies, like forget it. 417 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: And but I stood there and Johnny looked at me 418 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: and he said, and he looked me right in my 419 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: eyes and he said to me, are you ready to go? 420 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: And I just smiled and I said I'm ready, and 421 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: I just I just had to let it go. I 422 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: just had to let it go. And because at that 423 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: point there was nothing I could do, I had practiced 424 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: as much as I could. I had rehearsed with the 425 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: band as much as I could. I lived eight slept 426 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: everything with my base that whole time, and I felt like, 427 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: if I'm not ready right now, I'm never going to 428 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: be ready. And that's pretty much how I stepped out 429 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: on stage. And let me tell you, it was not 430 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: a graceful, you know, perfectly played set. I got hit 431 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: with boots, bottles, all the coins. I was so covered 432 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: with spin. At the end of the set when we 433 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: walked over the encore, I pulled my shirt off because 434 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: I just smelled like mucus so bad. So not not 435 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: only did I have to, you know, just kind of 436 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: let everything go and and fall back on my training, 437 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: but I had to, you know, I had to fight 438 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: all of that stuff at the same time. And I 439 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: had people right up front holding up a sign that 440 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: said we want d D and cursing at me and 441 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: everything else, and is it okay to drop the F bomb? 442 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah you can, cur I can curse on you. I 443 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: had this girl sitting on her boyfriend's shoulders right in 444 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: front of me, giving me the thing of the whole time, 445 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: holding up a sign that said we want D D. 446 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: I walked out to the end of the stage. I 447 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: was like, fuck you, I fucked the cleaning the ass 448 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: and just giving it right back to them. And at 449 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: one point I got so piste off I walked back 450 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: to my aunt. I grabbed the water bottle off the 451 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: top of my aunt and hit this girl right in 452 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: the check us to knock the rule for boyfriend's shoulders. 453 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: He turned around and looked at the stage and put 454 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: both his fists in the end was like yeah. And 455 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: at that point I realized like I was winning the 456 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: crowd old because I didn't stay at the back and 457 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: hunkered down a little scared. I went right out to 458 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: the end of the stage, took everything they threw at 459 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: me and still played decent and and got through the sentence. 460 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: And that's how it went. That was the first one 461 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: that was kind of a repeat of that every night 462 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: for the first year. Every time we went through a 463 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: new territory, pummeled with stuff and spin on. But it's 464 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: like anything else. Wanted to go through it once and 465 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: you know what to expect. There's no more fear in it. 466 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, and that that's something that hit me just 467 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: listening to your story and I've seen it. When I 468 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: was on the sniper instructor, we would do these five 469 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: hour stalking exercises and you know, and we'd have two 470 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: instructors observing that the students were sneaking up on trying 471 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: to get within two in meters and set up first shot, 472 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: and we'd have walker is in the field. And when 473 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: I remember being a walker, and you have this forest 474 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: and orange hat and a radio and the and the observers. 475 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: Instructors if they see something, they use you as a 476 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: walker in the field to two. You know, bust a 477 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: student who's not camouflaged properly or using his concealment. And 478 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: I would see these guys, they would get up to 479 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: the to the two zone. They'd be there first, and 480 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: they would spend hours and hours just prepping and prepping, 481 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: and they could not let go and take that shot. 482 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: They could commit to taking the shot. And it's where 483 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people get stuck in life, 484 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: is you know, they're preparing, preparing. Oh, it is not 485 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: the time, this this field right, it's not good enough. 486 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: I need to prepare more. And eventually you've got to 487 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: just fucking let go. And once once you let go, 488 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: you feel what it's like and then you kind of 489 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: get better and adjust, and but you have to let 490 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: go or else you're just never going to move forward. Yeah, 491 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: it's like having buck fever, you know, it's and and 492 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: the worst thing that the worst thing about it is 493 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: is opportunity, real serious opportunity comes up so rarely in life. 494 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: Opportunity is really a rare thing. Uh, if you're the 495 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: average person, if you're somebody that understands that, and you're 496 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: making your own opportunities, you're getting out there and making 497 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: your own opportunities, that's a different thing. But for the 498 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: average person or a younger person who's just kind of 499 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: coming into the you know, coming into the world, kind 500 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: of just finding themselves, they usually blowl a lot of 501 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: opportunity because they feel that they're not ready, they feel 502 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: that they're not prepared enough even if they are, or 503 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: they're just not willing to take a chance. And that's 504 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: something that I that I try to tell everybody I know, 505 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: friends that have wanted to get businesses started, or friends 506 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: that I just wanted to make a big move in 507 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: their life life, I always tell them, I'm like, you've 508 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: already made up your mind, you want to do it. 509 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Stop thinking that you're prepping, you've already made up your mind. 510 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: That's it. If your mind is made up, you have 511 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: to just go for it. Because the longer you put 512 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: it off and the longer you said, well after this happens, 513 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: well after that happens, what you're doing is you're creating 514 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: a cycle, of repetitive cycle that you're not going to 515 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: break out of, because every time you feel uncomfortable, you're 516 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: gonna fall back into that cycle. And that's a really 517 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: dangerous thing because that's the kind of thing that can 518 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: keep you from doing anything and and not well, not 519 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: only will it keep you from doing big things, but 520 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: if you let that cycle continue, it will even keep 521 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: you from making smaller decisions. And then you're then you're 522 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: in that kind of weird spot where you're paralyzed. You're 523 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: it's like my wife calls it powerless by paralysis by analysis. 524 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, you just you're constantly looking at the problem 525 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: and and and trying to uh and trying to figure 526 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: out every little problem that might come up. You deal 527 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: with the problems on the fly. Sometimes that's how it goes. 528 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: But you've got to take those first steps to make 529 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: it happen. And most people just don't even understand how 530 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: capable they are of thinking on their feet and solving 531 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: problems as they go along. It's almost like you, once 532 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: you make a commitment and you get into something, there's 533 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: like a um, it's like a river. There's a flow 534 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: to it. You're caught in that flow, and as things 535 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: come up on you, you learn to either navigate, navigate 536 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: around them, or you learn to go through them. But 537 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: for the most part, most people will do one or 538 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: the other. The thing that messages messes you up is 539 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: when you come up on a problem and you get 540 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: paralyzed by it, and all you can focus on and 541 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: focus on is the problem and not how to navigate 542 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: around it or go through it. That's what you have 543 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: a problem. But most people know, most people one thrown 544 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: in that situation. They know, Okay, this is coming up, 545 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: this is what what do we have to do? And 546 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: the and the best thing is once you get to 547 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: the level where you have a team and then you 548 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: can surround yourself with good people that when something comes up, 549 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: you say, hey, what do you think? What do you think? 550 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: What do you think? And then it makes your own 551 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: job a lot easier. And the danger, like you said, 552 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: is make is when it becomes a habit and you 553 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: have a habit of not falling through. And that's something 554 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: I talk about with my own kids and I I say, look, 555 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 1: you have to make setting goals and achieving them, like 556 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: even the small ones. You know. We had that book 557 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: that that's the Admiral Seal Admiral M. Craven. It was 558 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: my first commanding officers, Seal Team three wrote a book 559 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: about and the whole thing was like make your bed 560 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: because that small act of setting a goal for yourself 561 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: and completing it every day is something you develop a 562 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: habit of and then it turns into bigger goals, bigger accomplishments. 563 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: But you're developing that pattern of being able to set 564 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: goals and achieve them and not just give up halfway through. 565 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: And you and I have both had friends that it's 566 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: something you just never finish it, and then they start 567 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: something else and they never finish it, and you're you 568 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head, brother with the opportunity, 569 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: because opportunities come around, so there's just so scarce and 570 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: you have to seize on those opportunities and the time 571 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: we just don't have there are time is so limited 572 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: and precious on this planet that you have to use it, 573 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: and you've got to start right fucking now today, right 574 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: because well now now you're talking about now you're talking 575 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: about the big picture, though, is you know of time. 576 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: That's the big picture of appreciating time and knowing and 577 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: and really knowing what your time is worth. There's you know, uh, 578 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: running out of time is my word fear' that's my 579 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: biggest fear is running out of time. I don't want 580 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: to run out of time before I get to do 581 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: everything that I've wanted to do in my life. And 582 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: that's why I move at the pace I do. That's 583 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: why I take that you know, I do the tour 584 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: schedule that that I do. That's why I'm out there 585 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: constantly hitting the road hard. There's things I still want 586 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: to accomplish within within music that I'm still working towards, 587 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: and I worked towards them every single day. I make 588 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: sure I do something small every single day. My wife 589 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: and I had a had a major discussion yesterday on 590 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: I recently took, uh took a couple of tours in 591 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: the support slot for other bands, and you know, one 592 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: of the things I'm trying to do is increase the 593 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: crowds sides in the States. And the only way I 594 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: can do that is if I get in front of 595 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 1: bigger crowds, and and and and pick up a couple 596 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: of fans. But it can't necessarily be bands that that 597 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: are punk rock bands, because we're pulling pretty much from 598 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: the same the same group of people. So we went 599 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: out on tour with this one band, and I know 600 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: we picked up a good amount of new fans because 601 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: we sold a lot of merchandise on the knights that 602 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: we played with them. That's that's how we gauge um 603 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: how much people really have liked the show is by 604 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: the amount of merchandise that we that we sell. We 605 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: played with the band, most of the crowd was their crowd, 606 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: but we still sold what we usually do, so we 607 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: can say, hey, we definitely picked up some some new fans. 608 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: So we got another offer from them. It's going to 609 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: really fill in my schedule. I'm going to be gone 610 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: for most of the rest of this year, and which 611 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: of course my wife is none too happy about. But 612 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: she was questioning on why why I would take a 613 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: tour a warm up slot with another band when it 614 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: doesn't pay anywhere near as much as it was when 615 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: I play on my own and I told her I'm 616 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: playing the long game. I'm fifty one years old. I'm 617 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: still playing the long game in music. You know what 618 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean that I have a very long view you 619 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: of my wife and my career because there are definite 620 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: things I want to accomplish, and I know how, I 621 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: know how to get to them. I know you know 622 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: what it's going to take to get there, and I 623 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get there. And that's what 624 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: that's always been my philosophy is you can pretty much 625 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: have whatever you want as long as you're willing to 626 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: do what it takes to get there. Yeah, I agree, 627 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: and I talk about the long game and music. I 628 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: just watched that Chicago documentary and I mean, with those 629 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: guys sixty years now there for the long game. Um. 630 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: But hey, brother, I appreciate you taking the time today 631 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: and just a fascinating perspective and I know I know 632 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,479 Speaker 1: the audience is gonna love it, and thanks for having 633 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: but I appreciated that we've been listening to so sly 634 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: new episodes of every Wednesday and Friday. Follow the show 635 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram and would that's self rough Radio?