1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not? 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four is here and we here at breaking points, 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: are already thinking of ways we can up our game 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: for this critical election. 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Here, 14 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: let's take a lesson. 15 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 5: Which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary? 16 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 6: I think there's an obvious one in mind, which is Iran. 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 6: Iran has American blood on their hands. Okay, this attack 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 6: on Israel two hundred ballistic missiles. What we need to 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 6: do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 6: be a nuclear power? That is one of my highs priority. 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 5: So that must be is building a nuclear weapon? 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Would you take military action? 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 6: I'm not going to talk about hypotheticals at this moment. 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: I'm Sorry, what what. 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: I've been I've been upset about this basically from the 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: moment that I saw this, because this was in the overtime. Yeah, 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: first of all, why didn't they put that in there? 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: That's an insane thing to say. So we're talking about 29 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: a regional power, non nuclear state, maybe nuclear that threatens. 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: Is that is the right answer if your name is Israel, 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: if you're the president of the United Look, even with 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: a liberal framework, say Russia. Russia is a stupid answer too. 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: You can make a case for it. Right, It's got nukes, 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: it invaded Ukraine. All right, I still think that's not 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: all that high priority in their idiotic world. So yeah, yeah, exactly, 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: you got you got boomers who are worried about, you know, 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: the drills or whatever. 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: Okay, so I get that. 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: I still think it's an incredibly dumb answer. But Iran, Iran. 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: I notice that she said it's our greatest threat. She 41 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: talks about American blood on their hands. I assume that 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: she's talking about those proxy attacks on US soldiers three 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: killed in that Jordanian attack recently and then previously the 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: war in Iraq. 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: But then she starts talking about. 46 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: Is a whole on a second, you said our greatest adversary, 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: not Israel's greatest adversary. I mean, that is honestly one 48 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 2: of the most troubling answers I have ever heard from 49 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: a presidential candidate, because what does that mean for your 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: worldview of what you think adversary to the United States 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: is not to Israel? Not voting for the president of 52 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: Israel supposed to be voting for the president who's looking 53 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: at our commerce. I mean, like I just said, you 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: can make a fine case for Russia. 55 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: I still think it's dumb. China's the most obvious answer, 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: even within that. 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean, Biden says China, right, like, what are we 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: doing here with Iran? 59 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she treated it as a pop quiz, 60 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 4: didn't know the answer, and I reached for one. Oh 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: my god, I don't think she actually believes that iron 62 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 4: Ore is our biggest threat. How cool, though, would it 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: be to have a president who said, none of the 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: only thing we have to fear is fear itself. 65 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: Honestly, that'd better answer. 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: Again, I don't agree with that necessarily, but yeah, I 67 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: could make a philosophical case, you know, in one where 68 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: America is so powerful that our own division and lack 69 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: of unity is a threat to US, our you know, 70 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: to global instability. 71 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 3: And to other natures. 72 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: In fact, you know, I don't almost I don't not 73 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: believe that, but I just think that they're you know, 74 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: within the framework of the greatest adversary. But I just 75 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: have no idea how you arrive at Iran. And also 76 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: noticed Ryan, she didn't even think about it. She immediately 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: went to it. It's like, if you look back at 78 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: those previous debates and I said this on Twitter, I 79 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: was like, I honestly think that is the stupidest answer 80 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: this question. In several decades during the Cold War, it 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: was not really that difficult. The only time where it's 82 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: ever been in flux is that twenty twelve famous debate 83 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: Romney and Obama where Romney says Russia and Obama correctly 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: makes fun of him. 85 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: He's like, well, we don't have bandit's anymore, you know, mister. 86 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Romney and all that, and he was Obama's right, you know, 87 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: by the way, because he said China. 88 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: But you know, in the Year of Our Lord twenty 89 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: twenty four. 90 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: To say Iran is so crazy, like again, we are 91 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: not talking about a nation that in any way like 92 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: when you say greatest adversary, you are talking about global competition. 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: You are talking about somebody who poses a genuine existential. 94 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: Threat to the super power. 95 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: There is only one nation in the world for which 96 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: that's not even one hundred percent true, but he can 97 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: make a case for it, and that's China. That's why 98 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: the Russia one is so dumb. And that's why Iran. 99 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: I mean again, we're talking about shipping lanes. Okay, fine, 100 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: you know, live a little damage to the US economy. 101 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: Not even saying it would be good, it would be 102 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: I think it would be a disaster, you know, for 103 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: to get into a war with Iraq. 104 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: But to say our greatest adversary, they're. 105 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Doing backflip in Beijing, They're doing backflips in Moscow over this. 106 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: If you're so dumb that you think that I can't 107 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: help you. 108 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: I think the actual answer to this is that our 109 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 4: greatest adversary is ourselves are our own military adventurism, our recklessness, 110 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: and also our sanctions policy, which Jeff Stein has caused 111 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 4: has covered so well, our sanction's policy, which is going 112 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 4: to eventually drive the rest of the world stop using 113 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 4: the dollar, which is the main thing I think. 114 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: That's a fine answer. And the reason why, again is 115 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: just fine. 116 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: Is it acknowledges like superpower status and it's like, actually, 117 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: the only threat to us is ourselves because we're so big, 118 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: we're so powerful that only our own missteps can lead 119 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: us into desa, which is true. I mean, if you 120 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: look at Iraq and all, nobody could have damaged America 121 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: more than the American innovasion of Iraq. But yeah, I mean, 122 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: I just just ideologically framework wise to talk about Iran. 123 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: I mean also when you say our greatest adversary, at 124 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: least on Russia and China, we have a limiting principle 125 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: of war called nuclear weapons like that at the end 126 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: of the day, that stops it from escalating into the 127 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: worst areas. 128 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: With Iran, they don't have nukes, at least not yet. 129 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: And we're on the precipice of a potential is really 130 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: strike on nuclear facilities or even oil facilities, which could 131 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: lead to blowback that actually could lead to a full 132 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: blown hot war which would draw the United States in 133 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: almost certainly. 134 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: So is that where we're setting the stage here? I mean, 135 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 3: that's the crazy too. The part two. 136 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: The latest leaks out of Israel are that they have 137 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: decided not to target the nuclear sites because they're inside 138 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 4: of a mountain and they can't do it. Yeah, we 139 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 4: paid them off and begged them not to do it. Instead, 140 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 4: they're going to attack the oil industry, which Iran has 141 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: said it will respond by attacking Saudi exactly, Iraq and 142 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: other oil fields throughout the Middle East and just setting 143 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: an entire thing on fire. 144 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. 145 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 4: That we have an interesting example of our own recklessness 146 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: that I was referring to over at drop site. If 147 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: you can put up this element here. Our correspondent over 148 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: in Israel, Yaniv Kogan, writes this piece blinkn approved policy 149 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: to bomb aid trucks, Israeli cabinet members suggest, and that 150 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: might sound crazy, go read the story. I'll put the 151 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: link in the description down below. What Yaniv identified here 152 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: is that at October sixteenth and seventeenth, from into the 153 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: early morning hours of the seventeenth, Secretary of State Blincoln 154 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 4: goes to Israel. So this is ten days out after 155 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: the attack and humanitarian aid has been cut off to Gaza. 156 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 4: The first thing that Netnyah who says to him, is that, look, 157 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 4: I can't actually lift this siege. I've got people in 158 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: my cabinet who don't want a bottle of aspirin getting 159 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: into Gaza. He says, I will negotiate this with Biden, 160 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: not with you. And Blincoln says, Biden's not getting on 161 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: a plane and coming to visit here on unless you 162 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: change this policy, okay, And so Blinken thinks that that 163 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 4: bluster is going to move netyah who he meets him 164 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: six hours later that Yahoo still hasn't moved. 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: So what Yani reports here. 166 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: Blincoln sits down with the security cabinet of Israel and 167 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: they hash out a humanitarian aid policy, and the policy 168 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: that they finally agree to is that, okay, we will 169 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: let in some aid trucks, not through Israel, will let 170 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: them come in through Egypt. Egypt has to basically let 171 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: us monitor everything that's going in, and if we believe 172 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: that there is any Hamas involvement with any of these 173 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: aid convoys, we are allowed to strike those convoys. And 174 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: Blincoln then signs off on those And one of the 175 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: key pieces of evidence of this they first the first 176 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 4: draft was published in English, which is, you know, the 177 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: kind of a giveaway is going back and forth and 178 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 4: the word. 179 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: That they use to thwart. They say, we will thwart it. 180 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: If it's connected to Hamas, we will thwart the convoy 181 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: is the same Hebrew Wordy points out that they often 182 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: used to describe assassinations, so thwart is they're clear about 183 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: what's going on here. The State's Department spokesperson Matthew Miller 184 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 4: was asked by side Eric Coott yesterday about this report 185 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: at the State Department briefing. 186 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that. 187 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 5: Let me ask you about a report and drop side 188 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 5: and it says that Secret Blinken approved a policy to 189 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 5: bomb eight trucks. That what an israeted cabinet members said, 190 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 5: are you aware of that? Your void and you have 191 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 5: any comment. 192 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 7: I am aware of the report. I'm glad you asked 193 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 7: me about it. Look, the suggestion that we in any 194 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 7: way signed off on bombing humanitatorian convoys is absurd. 195 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: It's just not true. 196 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 7: Of course, Israel has the right to target Hamas militants. 197 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 7: That has always been the case. And so look, if 198 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 7: if you had a situation where Hamas commandeered convoy and 199 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 7: AMAS militants were operating a convoy, of course Israel would 200 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 7: have the right to strike those militants. That's not been 201 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 7: the situation that we've seen over the past year. Except 202 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 7: in some very limited circumstances. There have been a few 203 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 7: reports here and there of AMAS commandeering convoys, in most 204 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 7: cases returned quickly to the humanitarian organizations. It has not 205 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 7: been there's not been any widespread evidence that we have 206 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 7: seen of AMAS actually taking convoys and commandeering them, which 207 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 7: is I think the scenario or the propositions this scenario presumes. 208 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 7: So the strikes that Israel has conducted on humanitarian convoys 209 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 7: have been times when they have had failures in their 210 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 7: deconfliction processes, where they have had intelligence failures, and when 211 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 7: they've just made basic mistakes. And the thing that we 212 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 7: have made clear about those is that those mistakes are 213 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 7: unacceptable and that humanitarian workers need to be protected and 214 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 7: humanitarian aid needs. 215 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,359 Speaker 1: To be protected. 216 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 7: So the idea that we anyone of this apartments signed 217 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 7: off on bombing humanitarian congress is just absolutely ridiculous. 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 4: So if you notice their sager, he starts by calling 219 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: the report absurd, but then throughout the answer he basically 220 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: confirms the report that if Israel believes that Hamas is 221 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 4: involved with these convoys, then of course they have the 222 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 4: right to strike it. That rationale is, of course the 223 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: one that the IDF has used each time it has 224 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 4: struck a convoy. If you think back to the World's 225 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: Central Kitchen attack that killed all those aid workers, they said, well, 226 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: we thought that there were a couple of Hamas militants 227 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 4: at some point before it went into the warehouse, and we. 228 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: Thought maybe they were still there. 229 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 4: Every attack on an aid convoy has used this very rationale. 230 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 4: The other policy option available is, you know what, don't 231 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 4: attack humanitarian aid convoys. 232 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Let's just have that as our policy. 233 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 4: Like, that's an available policy, and still to this day, 234 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: not one that the US has insisted on. 235 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: I'm I mean the report itself is I actually encourage 236 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: people to go read it. But on the response from 237 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 2: Matt Miller, what did you make then of his categorical 238 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: denial or was there room for this within his framework? 239 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: What did you think of that? 240 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 4: So if you parse, if you're used to parsing these responses, 241 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: absurd is a word that they use. 242 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: That's not a categor old denial. 243 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 3: Oh I like that, right, Yeah, it's absurd, but it 244 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: could be. 245 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't actually mean it's not true, and then 246 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: he later says, of course, you know, if Hamas has 247 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 4: commandeered an AID convoy, then Israel has a right to 248 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 4: strike that. That's what we reported, got it, And so 249 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: they're confirming that that is the policy because, like I said, 250 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 4: the alternative policy is we don't care who is driving 251 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: the AID convoy. 252 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: You don't strike an AID convoy. 253 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 4: You deal if something happens to an AID convoy, you 254 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 4: deal with that later. In other way ways, the Flower 255 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: massacre where one hundred plus people or so were slaughtered 256 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 4: at this intersection, Uh, there was a Hamas security official 257 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: who was in charge of the security around that delivery 258 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 4: of the flower. Like this is often who AID organizations 259 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 4: are communicating with the Hamas police officials. Hamas is the 260 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: de facto government. So you're gonna find Hamas if you 261 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: and if and if you're Israel. You have been saying 262 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 4: for years that Unra is a front for Hamas. So 263 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 4: a low level or mid level operative who is behind 264 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 4: the button on the drone. Oh Unra, Well, we already 265 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: believe that they're a front for Hamas and thoroughly infiltrated 266 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 4: and a terrorist organization that ought to be banned there's 267 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 4: an enra and you see you see one guy with 268 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 4: a gun, like, all right, well we're going to hit 269 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 4: this AID convoy. It also raises the question who do 270 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 4: they want to do security for these AID convoys? Blackwater 271 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 4: available for business to start shepherding AID convoys through Gaza, 272 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: Like what are they talking about? So the result is 273 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: that AID convoys gets struck, And the result of an 274 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 4: AID convoy getting struck is not just that that particular 275 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: flower or water or medicine doesn't get delivered, but then 276 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: the AID organization itself not only has lost personnel but 277 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: usually stops for an extended period of time delivering aid. 278 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: What do you make of this in the context of 279 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: previous stuff you guys have reported about Blinking and his 280 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: overruling of things within the Department. 281 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: That he's effectively acted as basically an attorney for like 282 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 4: Smotrich and Benevie, like taking their harshest ideological positions and 283 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: massaging them into something that's acceptable from a US perspective. 284 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: And I think that if you delved into his heart 285 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: of hearts or something, what he would be saying is, look, 286 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: it was either this or abject starvation. Because they were 287 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: telling me that not a single aspirin was going to 288 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: get in, and I got fifty trucks in, and then 289 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 4: the next day there was sixty trucks in. And yes, 290 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: the result was that some convoys got struck, and that's unfortunate, 291 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: but the alternative was much worse. So I think that's 292 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: that's what that's what they would argue. But on the 293 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 4: other hand, it's the greatest superpower in the history of 294 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 4: the world that is just getting you know, walked around 295 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: by a client. 296 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: That's what underscores to me is like we go through 297 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: all this bureaucratic bs to like approve all of this 298 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: Israeli violation of US law, and then you see the 299 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: same machine kick in to justify anything Ukraine you know, 300 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: wants to do. And it's like when you put those 301 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: two things together, you're like, what are we doing here? 302 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 5: Is a choice? 303 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, these are explicit choices. These are by I mean, 304 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: if anything, it seems to me like Blinkin' is such 305 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: a power of force because Biden is so cooked and 306 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: so irrelevant that Blincoln does run a lot of US 307 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: foreign policy with just with respect to these discrete choices, 308 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: when you know, Biden can coherently be like, just give 309 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: them whatever they want, but he's the one actually mechanically 310 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: executing all this. 311 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: There was a new Axios report this morning. I love 312 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: that new reports absolutely four sources say that Biden is 313 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 4: increasingly frustrated and doesn't he doesn't trust, he doesn't trust 314 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: that the Israelis are honest brokers when it comes to 315 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: their their talks with him. 316 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I got it, very very useful. Any 317 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: other plans on the State Department? If you were, when's 318 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: the next briefing today? 319 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll be at it. 320 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: I was at this one and I got I got 321 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: dist on the on the follow up? 322 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: What what do you want to ask him today? 323 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that people should tell me what they 324 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: want to ask. 325 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 4: One thing I have been uh, I've been wanting to 326 00:16:54,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: ask is what happened to the American concern for civil casualties? 327 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: When? When? 328 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 4: When Israel bomb this top PAMAS command killed a TOPAMAS 329 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: commander in two thousand and two, this is six It 330 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: was six months after. 331 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: The nine eleven administration. I remember this, Yeah, six. 332 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Months after nine to eleven. 333 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 4: Islamophobia in fear of terrorists is ripping through the American 334 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 4: body politic. They take out a top a mass commander 335 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 4: and killed like eight civilians or so in that strike. 336 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: Bush like the Bush administration loses it on them, like 337 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: this is an unacceptable civilian death toll. Now you can 338 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: take out two to three hundred civilians in a single 339 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: strike aimed at a top Hesbola commander, and the answer 340 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 4: from the State's apartment is, well, you know, Hesbela shouldn't 341 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: be near all of these civilians, right, Not even not 342 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 4: even a reference in it an a Lloyd Austin statement 343 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: or a Blinken statement, or a Biden statement or Arao statement, 344 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: not even a line that says this civilian death toll 345 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: is unacceptable. 346 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: What happened? 347 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 4: So I'm curious from their perspective, what happened in the 348 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: twenty years since then to make it so that we're 349 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: cool with that, you. 350 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: Should ask him that I'd like to see that. I 351 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 2: remember I've brought that up before about the Bush administration. 352 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: How in O two even Ari Fleischer, who actually that's 353 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: the ironic part. 354 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: Fleischer said that in two thousand and two. 355 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: But now he's on Fox and who's being like, actually, 356 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: Israel is the most moral, moral army in the history 357 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: of the world. I'm like, wait, but I know nothing matters. 358 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: But you know you said that, he'd be like, well 359 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: that was President Bush, not me. 360 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure the compassionate conservative. 361 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, let's move on to Hillary Clinton. This 362 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: is something I've been wanting to put in this show 363 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: for quite some time. I actually watched this interview live. 364 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: I was sitting in State of Pennsylvania. 365 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: You know, is in the morning. 366 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: You know, my father in law loves to keep CNN on. 367 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: Don't ask me why, but I was forced to endure 368 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: this struggle session and this It's funny because it's one 369 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: of those things where Smerconish clearly does not really a 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: magnitude of what actually just was said. But if you're 371 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: listening carefully, you're like, that's one of the most insane 372 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: things I've ever heard. So here we have Hillary talking 373 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: about how imperative it is to censor and to monitor content. 374 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. There should be a lot of 375 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: things done. 376 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 8: We should be in my view, repealing something called Section 377 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 8: two thirty, which gave you know, platforms on the Internet 378 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 8: immunity because they were thought to be just passed through 379 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 8: that they shouldn't be judged for the content that is posted. 380 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 8: But we now know that that was an overly simple 381 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 8: view that if the platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter 382 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 8: x or Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are, if they 383 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 8: don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control. 384 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: We lose total control, all right? So what do we 385 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: take away from that rhyme? We lose total control? Right? 386 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: Who's who's the we? 387 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: What are you controlling? What are we? 388 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 5: What are we? 389 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting too we should consider, like what 390 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: the context of this interview actually happens, because it happened 391 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: within the general context of being asked not necessarily about 392 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: social media, but about election strife ahead of this election. 393 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 2: So that was specifically being talked about in the context 394 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 2: of quote unquote misinformation ahead of the current election. And 395 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 2: I was thinking, Wow, that's very revealing, isn't it. It 396 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 2: also gets to the bitterness of Hillary because you have 397 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: to remember that the through line for all of this 398 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: is still Russia twenty sixteen, And now they've foe intellectualized 399 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: the argument about all this and look, you know the 400 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: whole section two thirty thing. There's arguments to be made. Actually, 401 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: I've seen from the right, from the left, about it 402 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: about liability and all that. But if you're making the 403 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 2: argument explicitly to say that we need straight up much 404 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: more criminal liability for platforms for spreading misinformation, that gives 405 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: the game away in a very certain sense. 406 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it also suggests that she still believes that most 407 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: of big tech. Obviously she feels like Twitter has fallen, 408 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 4: but she still feels like most of big tech is. 409 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Susceptible to her pressure. 410 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: Yeah that if that, you know, if she that there's 411 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: some alignment there that they're they're doing enough according to her, 412 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: But she feels like if that, if she makes the case, 413 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: if Democrats put enough pressure on them, they can Yeah. 414 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 4: Two thirty is interesting for people to know that that's 415 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: the section of the law that says that if you're 416 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 4: a platform, basically say you're a comment section, that you 417 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: are not personally liable. Your company is not liable for 418 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: something that somebody says in a comment section. Because the 419 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: argument is that you can't have a free flowing debate 420 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 4: of user generated content if you have to fact check 421 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 4: every single thing that every Tom, Dick and Harry is 422 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 4: putting up on your site. The argument against it is 423 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 4: that that was the case when platforms were neutral, and 424 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 4: that every but he had an equal chance, and that 425 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: the published product of that platform was the thumb of 426 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 4: the parts of the voices that were allowed to flow 427 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: freely into it. So the argument is, if you're no 428 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 4: longer balanced, and your algorithm is pushing something far to 429 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: the left, or pushing something far to the right, or 430 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 4: driving a particular narrative, then you are actually a publisher 431 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: and you no longer should have the shield of two thirty. 432 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: Let's say to take Twitter, for example, if they can 433 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: prove that like Musk like goes in and puts his 434 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: s thumb on the scale, or old Twitter, If with 435 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 4: old Twitter you could prove that they were going in 436 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 4: and putting their thumb on the scale and pushing it 437 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: in Biden's direction on the Hunter Biden story or whatever else, 438 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 4: they would say, well, actually that's not protected, and you 439 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 4: now can be sued for defamation. 440 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: I just think that the context of this, well, actually, 441 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: you know what, we never got to talk because that 442 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 2: also came after that Tim Walls clip from the debate. 443 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: We haven't seen enough time. 444 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: We all had to move on. 445 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, what okay, as a leftist, give us the 446 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: take on why Tim Wallas was wrong. 447 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Shocking, Yeah, Tim Wallas. 448 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, he did the stupid can't yell fire, 449 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: yell fire in a crowd theater? Was yeah, if there's 450 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 4: a fire, you absolutely can. And if you yell fire 451 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 4: in a crowded theater and you do not cause panic, 452 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 4: then that also is fine, Like you're allowed to do that, right. 453 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 2: This is a commonly sided thing. I don't know what 454 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: the origins of it even are. 455 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: It was in a Supreme court. It was in a 456 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling. 457 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 4: Where he was saying like, obviously, you can't yell fire 458 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 4: in a crowded theater and cause yes, false falsely and 459 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 4: you call falsely yell fire in a crowded theater and 460 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: to cause panic, so you need all of those different elements. 461 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: You have to know it's false, and you have to 462 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: cause panic. 463 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 4: And they were using it to lock up socialists who 464 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 4: were calling for resistance to the draft. 465 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: That's World War One. But they weren't even calling for 466 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: risins the draft. 467 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 4: They were telling people to call their member of Congress 468 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 4: and argue to repeal the draft law. So and and 469 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 4: they and that that, and they locked the head of 470 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 4: the Socialist Party up for like six months for that 471 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: or whatever. So like terrible for anybody to point to 472 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: that in any in any way. More worrisome, I thought, 473 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 4: was what he said right after that. He's like, he said, 474 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: you don't have a right to hate speech. 475 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 476 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 4: Oh actually did like bro, Yeah, that's the whole point, right, 477 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 4: and what speech that is? 478 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: Just loving speech? Yes, makes no sense. Who's going to 479 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: prosecute for well. 480 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: Especially terrifying in the context of all these like democratic 481 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: current efforts to like institutionalize what is it the the 482 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: definition of anti Semitism? What is the IHR definition, which 483 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: basically is just it's anti semitic to criticize Israel, which 484 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: is nuts, I mean, and by the way, that fits 485 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: with a lot of those Republican BDS laws that are 486 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: already on the books, totally unconstitutional for you. 487 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 4: Just outsourcing the definition of something like that to a 488 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 4: private organization which. 489 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: Could then go on its website and change it again. 490 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing is crazy. But anyway, I mean, 491 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: it's alive and well in the sense. 492 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 4: In Columbia that said you can't use Zionist in a pejorative. 493 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: That just happened, Yeah, didn't you. You talked about that 494 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: because well, Columbia's it's different. 495 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: Becau's private. 496 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: We can criticize it, but there's not much you can 497 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: do on an institutional level. 498 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: You don't get federal funding. 499 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you made a good point. You're like, wait, 500 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: but what about in like history. 501 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: Classes, like eat papers. 502 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like in papers, you know, in a literal 503 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: academic context. But suddenly a lot of those concerns just disappear, 504 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: and because what we all know is that they really 505 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: mean it that if it's in a historal context is fine, 506 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: But if it's in a political context on campus, you 507 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: don't like it, and especially if the donors don't like it, 508 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: that's when you're going to get expelled. 509 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: And that's when it's a problem. 510 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: Okay, we've got Jefferson Morley standing by, so let's get to. 511 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: It all right. 512 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 4: Joining us today is Jefferson Morley, who's the author of 513 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 4: many books on the JFK assassination. I've been investigating it 514 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 4: for many decades. 515 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: How long thirty years? So thirty years. 516 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 4: At this point, you have a new piece out, and 517 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 4: let's put this up on the screen. This is at 518 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 4: his substack JFK Facts, which everybody should subscribe to. One 519 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: thing that Jefferson is known for is almost never relying 520 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: on anonymous sources. Everything is document based and people who 521 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 4: are willing to put their name to something. This latest 522 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: story is significantly based on an anonymous source, which to 523 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 4: me signals how important you think it is. 524 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: That's true that you're willing, that you're willing to go forward. 525 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: So tell us what this source told you and why 526 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 4: this is in advance on what we understand, or at 527 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: least adds new questions to what we understand about the assassination. 528 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 5: This source approached me a few years ago and said, 529 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 5: in the course of working at the CIA, had seen 530 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 5: a document that disturbed them, and so we talked about that. 531 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 5: I investigated a little bit, found a lot to corroborate that. 532 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 5: I also checked out the source professional expertise, experience, and 533 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 5: I felt very confident this source is highly credible and 534 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 5: I wouldn't like you say, I rarely rarely use unnamed sources, 535 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 5: but in this case, I felt if the source was 536 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: willing to take a chance of disclosing classified information, then 537 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 5: I could take a chance on the source. 538 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 4: Do you feel like that this source will ever come forward, 539 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 4: like we're going to learn who this is at some point. 540 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: I think the sources will be willing to do that. 541 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what they told you. 542 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: What did you do? What did they show you. 543 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 5: The source had two really significant things. One that there 544 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 5: was a file room in a CIA office in Herndon, Virginia, 545 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 5: where the CIA keeps its assassination related records. Now that 546 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 5: doesn't mean that those are all secret records. Those may 547 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 5: be records that have been shared with the Congress, we 548 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 5: don't know, but that there is a dedicated facility like that. 549 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 5: And I did some reporting talk to people who have 550 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 5: worked in that building, one of whom confirmed to me 551 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 5: that there was a JFK facility within a skiff as 552 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 5: a secure compartmentalized intelligence facility, and so I felt good 553 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 5: about that. The second thing that the source said was 554 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 5: that in the course of duties at the CIA, the 555 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 5: source had seen a document about the CIA's reaction to 556 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: the Congressional investigation of the nineteen seventies, and the source 557 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: felt that this document, lengthy document forty fifty pages, apparently 558 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 5: produced by the CIA Inspector Gene, showed an intent to 559 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: deceive the congressional investigators. The source says, this document shows 560 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 5: that they knew they weren't being totally forthcoming, and when 561 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 5: Congress didn't penetrate their deception, they celebrated. Now, there's no 562 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 5: document like that that's been released in the past thirty years, 563 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 5: with all the JFK releases under Trump and Biden, there's 564 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 5: no document that fits that description in the remaining thirty 565 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 5: five hundred JFK documents that still contain redactions. So this 566 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 5: document is not in the JFK collection. Obviously it should be. 567 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 5: One of the important things about the story and this 568 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: made me. Also made me feel good was when I 569 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 5: asked the CIA for comment, they did not deny any 570 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 5: of the facts in the story. In fact, they said 571 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 5: something slightly disturbing if you parse their statement carefully. What 572 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 5: they're saying is we're under no obligation to release this document, 573 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: and if we want to keep it public, we. 574 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: Will got it. 575 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: And so one of the things, as you talk about 576 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: in the stories about Oswald in. 577 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 5: Mex Yes, and that's the core of what he's talking about. 578 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 5: The source says that the House Select Committee was called 579 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 5: in and showed a bunch of documents about the CIA 580 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 5: surveillance of Oswald in Mexico City shortly before the assassination 581 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 5: with President Kennedy. The CIA has always said we never 582 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 5: obtained any photographs of Oswald in Mexico City. The source 583 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 5: says one of the things that he saw in the 584 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 5: JFK file room was what looked like a video case 585 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 5: that was labeled Oswald in Mexico and dated nineteen sixty three. Now, 586 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 5: if there is photography of Oswald in Mexico City in 587 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 5: the possession of the CIA today, that alone will rewrite 588 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 5: the JFK story because they have been so adamant about 589 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 5: denying this over the years. And what you see, the 590 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 5: larger point of the story here is that what you 591 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 5: see as this fits a pattern of withholding information, closely 592 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 5: held information that the CIA had about Lee Harvey Osweald 593 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 5: before the assassination. And that's what's really going on here, 594 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 5: is they are withholding JFK documents to this day. And 595 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 5: the source's story makes that story, you know, makes that clear. 596 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 5: And the fact that the CIA is not denying it, 597 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 5: not saying that doesn't say the document doesn't exist, doesn't 598 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 5: say the facility doesn't exist. You know, we're onto something. 599 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 5: So this is really about you know, why does it 600 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 5: matter today? Well, this is about accountability. You know, it's 601 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 5: about transparency. We've had these assassination attempts on President Trump, 602 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 5: lots of conspiracy theories, politicization of that. Obviously, we need transparency, 603 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 5: we need credible investigations around it. And the same goes 604 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 5: for President Kennedy. This, you know, this is a that 605 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 5: doesn't go away in American politics. We're still talking about 606 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 5: it sixty years later because of its symbolic importance and 607 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: because you know, we have this mistrust of government. Government 608 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 5: institutions aren't legitimate. And if you look in the broad 609 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 5: sweep of history, when did US government begin to lose 610 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 5: its credibility? It was right around nineteen sixty four, according 611 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 5: to the polls around the more In Commission report in 612 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 5: nineteen sixty four. Since then, that report not particularly credible. 613 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: With the American people, confidence in government has been going down. 614 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 4: One of the theories that says actually there was there's a 615 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 4: theory says there was no conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy. And 616 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 4: in fact, what we're looking at when it comes to 617 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 4: CIA is CIA that they actually are just covering for 618 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: their own incompetence, and once and then its snowballs into 619 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: covering for their. 620 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: Cover up and does this fit that or does this 621 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: fit the other? 622 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 5: I mean, I think that this points more to complicity 623 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 5: because of numerous false statements and the way CIA operations 624 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 5: are structured. This looks like a CIA operation, not CIA 625 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 5: in competence, but the available evidence. I have good friends 626 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 5: who argue the other way, like you're saying, this is 627 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 5: just they screwed up and they're just covering their assets. Well, 628 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 5: that's why we have the JFK Records Act. The JFK 629 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 5: Records Act of nineteen ninety two says the government has 630 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 5: to release all JFK records in its possession. They have 631 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 5: to review them and release them. They have a presumption 632 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 5: of immediate disclosure according to the law. So if the 633 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 5: CIA explanation is right, that doesn't mean that they don't 634 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 5: have to disclose these records. They do have to disclose them. 635 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 5: And if that's the case, then they should quell conspiracy 636 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 5: conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorizing and say we screwed up 637 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 5: and here's here's how we did it. But to say 638 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 5: we're innocent and we're not going to share all the 639 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 5: records with you, that's not credible. 640 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: And so yeah, in that let's take people back if 641 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: they're not all that familiar about Oswald's time in Mexico 642 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: and the meetings that he allegedly was having there, and 643 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: how that would fit into a conspiracy explanation. Why is 644 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: that significant Oswald's time in Mexico. 645 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: So Oswald, the accused assassin who denied We. 646 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Wrote a book up Our Man in Mexico. 647 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the story that I tell in Our Man 648 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 5: in Mexico is Learvy Oswald, the man who will be 649 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 5: accused of killing the president and who will deny it 650 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 5: and then be killed in police custody. Goes to Mexico 651 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 5: City six weeks before the assassination and visits the Cuban 652 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 5: consulate and the Soviet embassy, seeking to get a visa 653 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 5: to travel to Cuba. The visa request is rejected. He's 654 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 5: told he has to go get that in Washington, and 655 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 5: so Oswald returns to the United States. What the CIA 656 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 5: told the Warrant Commission was, we didn't know anything about 657 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 5: this guy. We did, you know, We knew so little 658 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 5: about him. Didn't even get a picture of him, a 659 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 5: surveillance picture of him. As I report in Our Man 660 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 5: in Mexico. The station chief in Mexico City, when Scott 661 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 5: said specifically that was not true. He had a very 662 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 5: sophisticated surveillance system around both of those. Unlike the CIA's 663 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 5: statement that the cameras weren't working that day, falls investigators 664 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 5: established that they were working, and the cias insists on 665 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 5: this while we never got his we never took his picture, 666 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 5: so and in fact, they knew a whole lot about him. 667 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 5: Senior CIA officials are looking at Oswald's file six weeks 668 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 5: before the assassination, writing cables about him, thinking about him, 669 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 5: and by the way, not calling any attention to him, 670 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 5: despite the fact that he had been arrested for fighting 671 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: with CIA funded group that summer, he had a Russian wife. 672 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 5: When he defected to the Soviet Union, he offered military secrets, 673 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 5: and now he's visiting Soviet and and Cuban diplomatic compound 674 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 5: where everybody in those working in those compounds was presumed 675 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 5: to be an intelligence seas and most of them in 676 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 5: those work just like a lot of people in the 677 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 5: US embassy were, of course, and so the notion that 678 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 5: they didn't get his picture was, you know, was never 679 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 5: particularly credible. So what's going on here? Did they just 680 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 5: miss him. Well, that would be the cya. We didn't 681 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 5: understand who he was. He went on and shot the president. Sorry, 682 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 5: missus Kennedy, we just screwed up. What's hard to understand 683 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 5: from our point of view today is, you know, the 684 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 5: man who supposedly killed the president was well known to 685 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 5: top CIA officials. Imagine if one of these accused assassins 686 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 5: with President Trump was well known to a small group 687 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 5: of top CIA officials, would that be Would we say 688 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 5: that's relevant to the story. Yes, of course the CIA 689 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 5: hid all of that. And all of those people who 690 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 5: watched Oswald's for four years as he made his way 691 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 5: to Dealey Plaza, none of them lost their job, None 692 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 5: of them even got so much as at the merit, 693 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 5: mostly because nobody knew. Over the last sixty years, the 694 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 5: story has come out in bits and pieces, and my 695 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 5: story now is just the latest part of we're getting 696 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 5: behind that curtain of official secrecy that has always surrounded 697 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 5: Oswald and Cuba operations. And when we go through that 698 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 5: courtin we see, oh there's still more classified stuff behind it. 699 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 5: And that's what's going on today is the CIA saying, 700 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 5: you know, we really don't have to obey that law 701 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 5: you know that law that says all JFK records, we 702 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 5: don't really have to obey that. And you know, the 703 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 5: CIA and the Constellation of American power a very strong 704 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 5: institution on JFK records. They got what they wanted, exactly 705 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 5: what they wanted from two very different presidents. From Trump, 706 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 5: who said all the JFK records were released in twenty seventeen, 707 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 5: wasn't true. He had cut a deal with Mike Pompeo 708 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 5: and the CIA and lots of records main secret and 709 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 5: Biden more more expectedly, an institutionalist said, CIA, good guys, 710 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 5: they can handle it from here on out. I wash 711 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 5: my hands of the matter. So that's where it is 712 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 5: right now. Trump's made a little bit of an issue 713 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 5: of it, saying he would release the JFK files when 714 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 5: RFK endorsed him. You know, Trump had a chance to 715 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: do it in twenty seventeen. He didn't, So it remains 716 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 5: to be seen if he's elected, would he do would. 717 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: Okay, question of why we always talk about this All 718 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: the people involved are dead, presumably, so why do they 719 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: still care so much about. 720 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 5: Keeping because symbolically it's really important, and this is why 721 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 5: they can't even back up an inch, because if they 722 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 5: said we screwed up, you know, people get called up 723 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 5: to Capitol Hill. Yeah, it asked the director, what's going 724 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 5: on here? How did this happen? How come you didn't 725 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 5: tell us about this? You know they might get their 726 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 5: budget cut. So, yes, all the people involved are dead. 727 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 5: And maybe the CIA could say, you know that was then, 728 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 5: this is now. But I think the path of least 729 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 5: resistance and when you have the power of official secrecy, 730 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 5: we're just going to bury that. Move along, folks, and 731 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 5: you know this is what the CIA does. Presidents come 732 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 5: and go, journalists come and go, the CIA is always there, 733 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 5: and so I think they're thinking, well, you know, we 734 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 5: can just wait this thing now. 735 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 4: No, that's all I got. I mean, I guess last 736 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 4: thing if you have a minute. People also point to 737 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 4: this police officer who claims that he accidentally squeezed the trigger. 738 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen this one. What do you think 739 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: of it? What do you make of it? 740 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 5: This is the most the most persistent hopes in the 741 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 5: JFK story. The Secret Service man did it. 742 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna see for people in the comments. 743 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 4: Secou probably talk about this, So tell us about Okay. 744 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, The claim is that the Secret Service man panicked 745 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 5: and turning around accidentally shot the prison The only problem 746 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 5: with this theory is there's no eye witness evidence to 747 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 5: support it, there's no forensic evidence to support it, there's 748 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 5: no photographic evidence to support it. And the author who 749 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 5: first offered this, when facing legal action from one of 750 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 5: the Secret Service offers involved, formally retracted the whole thing. 751 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 5: So there's no evidence and it's been renounced by the 752 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 5: person who offered it, so chances are there's nothing to it. 753 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 5: But I just I want to say one last thing 754 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 5: is you know, people I ask why does it matter today? 755 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 5: You know, what did Kennedy's ass What was the political 756 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 5: meaning of Kennedy's assassination? And I think it's this. This 757 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 5: is more my opinion. You can draw your you know, 758 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 5: the facts of the fact. After Kennedy, the most warlike 759 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 5: faction in the US government always had the upper hand, 760 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 5: and Kennedy was steering us away from that, trying to 761 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 5: end the Cold War, not going to war in Cuba, 762 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 5: pulling out slowly in Vietnam. There's debates about all of 763 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 5: those things, but the big picture that Kennedy articulates in 764 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 5: the summer of sixty three. We don't want a pas Americana, 765 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 5: he says. Imagine that. Imagine if there was a Democratic 766 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 5: candidate or a Republican Kennedy who said, we don't want 767 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 5: a Pax american We are in a Pax Americana era 768 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 5: right now. We are establishing packs Americana in Ukraine, Gaza. 769 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 5: You know, we are trying to maintain that there is 770 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 5: another way, and the other way died with Kennedy. 771 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, And whether the key thing to me is whether 772 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 4: or not the CIA actually assassinated him. Every president since Kennedy, 773 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 4: including LBJ, believed that they did. 774 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and operated accord operated this. 775 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. And this is super important to where there's this 776 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 5: discourse that tries to marginalize, you know, conspiracy theorists Harry Truman, 777 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 5: Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon had their foibles, had their problems. 778 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 5: They were not conspiracy theorists. These were men of power 779 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 5: who understood how American power worked. And none of them 780 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 5: believed the CIA's story of a quote unquote. 781 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 2: We've got verified of that were terrified of them in 782 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: the NBI, that's right, and it governed a lot of 783 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 2: their decision making. 784 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 3: Highly recommend people. 785 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: That's why Trump did not release the documents. Slightly. 786 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, Yeah, there you go. 787 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: Subscribe to the substack by the Books. Appreciate you joining us, sir, 788 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks a million. We'll see you guys later