WEBVTT - Part One: Everyone Hates the Klan 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.120 Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool stuff. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.480 I'm your host, Margaret Giljoy, and every week I tell 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.280 you about people that I decide are cool because I'm 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.799 apparently arbiter of cool based on the decisions I made 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.640 when I named my podcast being me. Who I decide 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.639 is cool usually means rebels and revolutionaries and all of that. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.880 And today my guest is the one and the only 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.920 sharene Lana Units. That is correct, I am the guest. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.640 Thank you. Yeah, you're the host of a bunch of podcasts, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.080 including Ethnically Ambiguous and it could happen here. I believe 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.040 you're the sole host of the latter one. Is that 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.880 I'm the co host of Wait which one? The latter one? 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.280 It could happen here? Ladder means it could happen here. Okay, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.360 got it? Sorry, my brain is broken. Uh no, uh 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.400 I would. Yeah, if I was the only host of 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.280 that show. I am one of the rotating faces or voices. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.480 It's almost like it's a daily show that people could 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.960 listen to. But yeah, it's it's almost like that almost. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.720 How are you doing today? I'm okay, good to talk 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.440 to a human being for for the first time today. Yeah, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:13.080 I'm not I'm not bad. I guess yeay, Yeah, how 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.800 are you? How am I? Yeah? I don't know how 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.440 I am? I. No one's ever asked you that, have they? 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.760 I'm the first, probably how am I? I don't know. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.360 I'm kind of burned out. I'm coming I'm almost done 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.280 with a book tour, and I got to come home 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.720 for a week, but then I'm leaving again for a 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.520 week tomorrow. And and in this week, you've already recorded 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:42.240 like fifteen podcasts, so yeah, break five or something. Well yeah, yeah, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.600 it's not exactly a break. And I miss sleep, um 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:51.720 and I miss sleep anyway. Our producer is the one 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.840 and only Sophie who matters. So if you looked m 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:01.200 real Sophie's choice, you made right there. You're the only 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.440 Sophie in my phone. Oh my god, I feel so honored. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:13.280 Marred has three people in her phone, two people named John. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.360 I mean, I think I think the only Sophie I 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.560 know are like our friends with her, I am the 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.680 only one who matters, shrinks I better. Okay, I deleted 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.440 all the other ones off my phone. You're listening to 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.320 this and you're my friend, and your name is Sophie. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.400 Don't feel forgotten, even though that would be technically accurate. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.280 Right now, you did get forgotten, so sorry about it. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.400 I forget a lot of things, but I don't forget that. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.560 Our audio engineer is Ian high Ian. It's fun to 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:53.280 talk to Ian because he can't say anything back. That's true. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.600 Our theme music was written for us by a woman 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.160 who you should check her out wherever you listen to 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.600 your music Spotify. I don't know that one's like evil, 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:07.000 but I don't have like a better band camp whatever. Margaret, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:11.160 just plug in corporations. That's just like my thing. I'm 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:18.000 really into corporate Yeah, this is my heel turn um okay, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.520 and then Sophie, today, what we're going to talk about 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.840 is something that I spent ten minutes trying to come 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.040 up with a way to sarcastically introduce and then I 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.840 was like, you know what, I don't want to say 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.760 anything sarcastic about racism and the ku klex Klan. You 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:35.320 did make some several uh inappropriate jokes off Mike, and 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.240 that is something that you listeners don't get to hear. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:43.920 That is would definitely or shrine and me or if 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.000 you're reading a transcript, Libel Yeah, that's my pedant joke 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:57.400 day Today. Okay, today we're going to talk about people 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:02.320 who fucked up the clan. Unfortunately, that actually means this 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:03.960 week we're going to talk about people who sucked up 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.760 the clan. Today, we're going to talk about the clan, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.680 but not in a real detailed atrocities kind of way. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.720 I'm going to just kind of treat have you ever 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.000 heard of the Klux Klan? They're not really very underground. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.760 Rings a bell, I think it rings a bell, hoods 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:30.200 white people, racism, violence, evil. We're not going to go 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.159 into detail about the specifics of the violence they committed. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.200 I think people are well aware of this is a 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.440 bad organization, but we are going to talk about kind 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.440 of who they are and what they were doing so 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.520 that we can better understand what we're going to talk 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.920 about about how people sucked them up. Um and kind 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.760 of just like a no your enemy kind of way. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.120 So there's this organization that most everyone has heard of, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.320 the Ku Klux Klan or the KKK. They're a hate group. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.640 They're bad, They wear stupid outfits and they set crosses 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.160 on fire and they murder people, especially black people. There 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.960 are terrorist organization and the most raw sense of that word. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.240 They were created as a reflection of white people's fear 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.039 of no longer being able to own black people, and 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.159 so they set out to scare the ship out of everybody, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.400 to make everyone obedient to white supremacy. I'm like usually 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.160 into like shades of gray about stuff, you know, I'm 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.880 like pretty into understanding where everyone's coming from or whatever. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.159 But like, there are evil people doing evil ship in 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.919 this world. There's no gray there. It's just white. Yeah, yeah, totally. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.840 That was funny. I think that was That's the sort 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.719 of bigger laugh and it's fine to continue. I laughed. No, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.360 it was good. And so if we didn't laugh, I 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.400 don't know. I only think I'm funny. Sophie laughs at 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.840 my jokes and oh god, well now it just feels 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.200 that way now I want to die, but continue my 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.839 fake laugh is well, you know who else wants you 0:05:53.920 --> 0:06:05.080 to die? Screen Christ Magpie. Um, okay, So there's I 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.760 Actually for all of the you know, anti racist work 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.479 I've been involved in and stuff, I hadn't really known 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.200 a lot of the sort of there's been like at 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:19.320 least three different distinct time periods of the KKK that 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.479 are like different organizations that kind of steal some of 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.839 their own ship from each other, but they're actually like 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.960 separate and we're founded at different times. And Clan number 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.200 one it started in eighteen sixty five. It was started 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.279 by six Confederate assholes. They were like a bunch of 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.760 like rich kid frat boys, like former officers who just 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.400 lost a war, and they met up at one of 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.440 their dad's law offices and they were just like all 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.400 into the secret society ship was like fucking everywhere in 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.240 the nineteenth century in the US, and one of the 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.520 ones that they were like primarily inspired by, at least 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.599 according to lots of sources, of lots of things to 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.919 say about this, there was this sort of joke secrets 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:04.599 society called Sons of Malta, and it existed to sort 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.159 of make fun of the other secret societies that were around, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.800 like the Freemasons, the Odd Fellows, the Knights of Columbus, 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.800 all the various frats, et cetera. And the fact that 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.640 they were inspired in part by this joke fraternity. I 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.280 feel like it's like kind of a history as flat 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.360 circle moment where we realize a lot of stuff that 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:26.280 comes out of this like edge lord humor, land gets 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.160 real real. That's a really good point. Actually, it's not 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.280 just like a joke. You can't just be like it's 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.120 a joke, don't take it seriously, because someone will and 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:41.720 take it too far. Yeah. And the other society that 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.880 they were inspired by, at least in terms of name, 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.160 was called Cu Close alday Fun, which was a frat. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.400 It was a college frat, secret society that had recently 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.200 dissolved during the Civil War. And Ko Close I didn't 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:56.760 know this. I was like, I don't know, they just 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.920 picked some dumb fucking name. And they did. They picked 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.520 some dumb fucking name. But ku close means circle and Greek, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.160 so the Ku Klux Klan was them like riffing off 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.720 the word ku close, Like they're just some fucking troll 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:13.600 rich kids sitting around in their dad's law office being like, oh, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.120 what if we like ku close? No, it doesn't sound cool. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.560 What if it was ku klux like making up a 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:23.160 band name for just like I don't know, terrible people. Yeah, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.680 And much like everyone who tries to make up band 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.520 names while high, they did not land it. No, this 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.400 is not a good name. No, they barely flopped right 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.000 into that. Yeah, the pointed hood that they wear. It's 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.760 going to come up a little bit more later because 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.920 actually it wasn't really part of the first incarnation of 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.480 the KKK. I didn't realize this, but it's called the 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.199 Kappa Rotte, which comes from the Spanish Catholics, which is 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:52.319 actually another like appropriation because as we'll talk about when 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.680 we get to the second incarnation of the KKK, they 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.559 fucking hate Catholics. So they were just like, oh, that's 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.160 goofy looking. We'll take that right, right, But at this 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.079 first incarnation they are more into pointy hats with over 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.360 separate hoods or just wearing hoods rather than pointy hoods. Yeah. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.800 So the six Confederate assholes they formed the KKK in 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:19.920 eight possibly on Christmas Eve, possibly like earlier that year. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.920 People like to argue people. You probably knew that just 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.680 in general people like to argue. Well, so the basis 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.000 of this, like the six people were they getting together 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.280 being like white people are the best? Like was that 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.560 the base Like what was their initial group chat about? 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.839 It was a party club? Oh it was they wanted 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.960 to pretend to be ghosts. Wait, no, you're making I'm 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.000 not making this up. I wish I was joined that 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.920 to pretend to be ghosts, they lookey, Yeah, they threw okay, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.880 good to know, so they may throw over their head 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:11.440 um the ghost ghost. Yeah, they would like throw sheets 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.360 over their head, cut out holes for the eyes, like 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.560 literally like fucking like spooky ghost costume, you know, and 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.840 then they would ride around through town on their fucking horses, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.640 being like I cannot tell you with me. I'm not 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:30.880 fucking with you. I don't believe you. I've been Margaret 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.800 is not Margaret is a better human. Um. Doesn't that 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.320 make you look at all those people that do that 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:43.400 to their dog and their children differently? Yeah, Well it's 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.120 funny because I actually never wore that kind of costume, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.800 even when I was feeling lazy, because I was like, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.680 it just looks too kkk to make the same and 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.000 it shouldn't except that is actually it comes from the 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.480 same origin. SU mean, I'm not working with you. I 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.280 Like when I first heard, I was like, I don't 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:00.959 know if I believe it, and I like checked a 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:06.720 bunch of sources. So what a fault? What a just 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.520 a fall from grace? Like that is the saddest plot twist, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.640 And like evolution, I've ever heard devolution? But can you 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.600 imagine this? You take like six random white frat dudes 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.320 who are like kind of goofy and into partying, and 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.000 they come up with this like clever secret society, and 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.760 then it all goes wrong, but not in a way 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.520 where they think it went wrong. It goes in a 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.400 way that they're totally fine with. They just hadn't originally intended. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.679 And everyone else, you know, so like and so they 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.040 would go around and crash parties and be like I'm 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.520 a ghost or some of them would like stay quiet, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.720 and some of them would like talk in like weird voices. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.520 Oh god, and they would play prank rejectively funny, am 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:51.680 I dad? I mean that's what's so interesting, is um. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.319 And that's why no one should ever have fun or 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.120 use jokes. Um. Yeah, I got it? Sorry, yeah no, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:57.719 no no. And and so then they would have like 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.640 spooky initiation rights that were like just goofy, kind of 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.000 like the fucking Proud Boys. Right. Oh, and I guess 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.880 it is all goofy in the end. I guess we 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.600 forget how goofy this ship is. Sometimes it absolutely it 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:16.160 is also fucking goofy. And and so they what happened 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.880 was as far as I can tell, they started to 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.120 realize that their presence was scaring black people around when 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.640 they would like hang outside wearing these things or whatever. Right, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:31.280 and so since they're not intelligent people, the Klansmen, they 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.360 were like, oh, the black people are superstitious and they're 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.319 afraid of us because they think we actually are ghosts 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.840 and black people from the time. Talking to interviewers later, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.240 we're like, no, we were afraid because there was a 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.680 bunch of like white organized Confederates who went around like 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.600 shooting at us and ship. Yeah, because they immediately start 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.440 doing pranks. They've been doing pranks on each other, but 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.600 then they started doing like quote pranks on the local 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.320 black community where they would like show up and be 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.920 like I'm a scary and they would like grave rob 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.600 and find an arm, like an arm of a dead person, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.920 and then they like harry it under their robe and 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.040 they'd be like not used to meet you, and then 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.320 they would like offer them the arm that they had 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:17.760 stolen from a grave. Yes, stupid um. Whenever I record 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.560 with Sharina, I get really sad that this is not 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.480 a video podcast, because she has the best reaction faces 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:31.440 of anybody, I know. Yeah, just imagine it, audience, Just 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:37.400 imagine if I'm if I'm quiet, I'm making a funny face. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.640 So it's funny either way. So the group spread sort 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.040 of like a meme, right in that it would kind 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.000 of self spread. They would initiate people and give them 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.280 the right to initiate other people, and so it spreads 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.600 across the South, all the former Confederate states, and soon 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.240 it was a white supremacist army committed to terrorizing formula 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.880 enslaved people. In eighteen sixty seven, they allied with the 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:07.199 Democratic Party, um worth noting for anyone the the tables 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.160 were turned in the nineteenth century. The Democrats were the racists, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.760 and the the Democrats were the open racists, and the 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.960 Republicans were the sort of slightly better party, you know. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.600 And so in sixty seven the KKK allied with the 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.680 Democratic Party and they got up to good old fashioned 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.360 voter suppression. They would shoot people who were registering black 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.440 people to vote, including veteran of the Pod Albert Parsons 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:33.040 from the Haymarket episode, and just did lots of bad stuff. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.840 They shot up houses, they declared themselves the law. They 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.120 murdered tons of people. They attacked everyone who worked to 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.280 get black people voting. Um, they hated black ministers, especially 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.600 because basically like, well, it's because they hated black people. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.240 And then they were like deeply religious in their own bigotry, 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.960 you know. So it started from playing pranks and and 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.080 then it became just pure hatred, Like it was like 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.960 pranks for a cover for the pure hate. Yep. And 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:04.160 then they dropped the prank part and just continued to Yeah, 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.640 and there's tactics. They basically did everything at night. They 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.040 derive their tactics in large part from these like night 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.360 patrols that happened during slavery times when white men would 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.840 get deputized to ride around at night hunting for the 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.640 origin of the Yep, the KKK and the cops have 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.360 the same origin. And what do you know, as we'll 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:27.480 talk about later, the same continued thread and a lot 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:32.280 of shared membership checks out. And yeah, the night patrols 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.440 were civic duty, like jury duty basically. In the KKK, 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.240 it just was a continuation of that. They also basically 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 we're trying to overthrow the US government to reinstitute slavery. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:46.720 They didn't succeed at that part. At least, but they 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.160 were trying to win through terror what they'd failed to 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.040 win on the battlefield. Basically, they're like, all right, we 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.560 can't take on the US as an army, but we 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.000 can just like take it on as a terrorist organization. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.000 And all along they have all these like goofy titles 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:07.280 like dragons and cyclops and goblins and ghouls and ship dorksky, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.600 I know, I know, And it's like, and then I'm 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.800 also mad because they give dork's a bad name in 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.080 this context. You know, that's that's a good point. I 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.720 don't mean dorks, I mean funny thing to be. Yeah, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.440 I've been dork sometimes all the time, but they still 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.720 deserve to get made fun of for this, you know. Yeah. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:29.000 It's like it's like if a dork had the capacity 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:33.400 for pure evil that is terrified. Yeah, yeah, totally. By 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.840 the early eighteen seventies, there's impostor clans as well, because 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.680 basically everyone's like, oh, I want to know, I'm the 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.960 real kk. Okay, no, I'm the real KKK And the 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.240 racist got up to some serious, good old fashioned in 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.880 fighting with guns and ship so that's cool. So the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.720 US government passed its first ever anti terror legislation banning 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.560 things like riding around at night in a mask terrorizing people. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.320 And I'm like, not like a big law girl, but 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.000 I think that passing the law. That's like inasmuch as 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.719 there should be laws like don't terrorize people and like 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.880 murder everyone. Yeah you said that as if it's like 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:16.600 you know, people say, like their horse girls. Yeah, law girl, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.560 Jim is a big horse girl. That doesn't surprise me. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:30.000 Jaby has a hat that says hello to horse. I 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.359 learned about this this concept recently. Shout out to my 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.760 friends who are horse poor, which is where you're poor 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.240 because you have horses so expensive. Yeah, I did not 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.680 know those Yeah, horse pose, all your money goes into 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.640 the horse and you're like what now, what what about me? Yeah? 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:47.920 I have a friend who was a horse who pays 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.920 more for the horse's room and board than her own rent. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.320 Shout out to my friend who's listening anyway. By eighteen 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.720 seventy two, the clan is more or less gone under 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.800 that name. There's a bunch of other terrorist organizations. Louisiana 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.240 had the White League, Mississippi had the Red Shirts, and 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:12.280 anti black terror of course continued, but most importantly unfortunately 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.400 it's like kind of like instead of seeing the Clan 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.960 is defeated in eighteen seventy two at the federal government, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.280 it's more like they succeeded at the clan succeeded at 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.280 its goal, which was that the reign of terror against 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.399 black voters allowed racist Southerners to subvert democratic processes and 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.960 got the right wing elected. Basically, the Republican Party, the 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:38.159 leftish less racist wing was like conquering the polls until 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.000 all this voter suppression happened, which was voter suppression primarily 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.560 and most importantly of black people and black voters, but 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.679 it was also of anyone who supported the Republicans, and 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.720 the Democrats got into power, and by eight seventy seven 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.360 you get the Jim Crow laws that went into effect, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.080 and the Clan sort of wasn't necessary at that point 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:04.280 because it was all made systemic. That's the first incarnation 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.840 of the KKK. Let's talk about the second one. Oh no, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.680 I know, I like feel like this is a more 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.520 bastards the episode than what Like It's like how Pokemon 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.920 starts out and you're like, oh, it's kind of cute, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.840 little Ghostie, and then it becomes like a I don't know, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:27.840 like a disgusting totally Okay. N five, there's this piece 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.200 of ship Baptist minister, his white guy named Thomas Dixon Jr. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.680 And he wrote a best selling novel called The Klansman 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.120 spelled to the c actually and it's um, it's probably 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.240 shocking to you. It's really spelled correctly initially. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.639 this book is very racist. Oh it's about how great 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.720 I know, I know you'd be shocked. Um, it's about 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.840 how great the clan was. He had been inspired to 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.960 become a novelist because he hated Uncle Tom's Cabin, which 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.760 was this anti slavery novel from fifty years earlier that 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.760 he was like still mad about even though it was 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.399 written before he was born. His book The Klansman was 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.800 wildly popular, and he went on to write twenty two 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.280 novels about like brave white people fighting against socialism and 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:16.959 racial equality. Wow. He adapted it into a play, and 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.360 he was pretty explicit that the reason he was adapting 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.200 it in all these different forms was because he wanted 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.240 more people to get the message. It wasn't even about 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.600 the money for him, you know, he was doing it 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:30.960 for the cause. That's that's stupid. That is so stupid. Also, 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:36.160 just like hating a book that much, how is your 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:41.240 entire personality in life? That's that's that's crazy. Yeah, he's 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.080 he's not the He's not the best. It becomes a 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.480 play the same year, and that play gets banned a 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.879 ton of places because everywhere that this ship goes, this 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.480 like racist ship goes. That's like kind of like thesis 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.439 of this episode. Everywhere there is this ship, there are 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.879 people who were like, no, not that I don't know 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:03.560 what's good, but I know what's that that's bad, you know. Um. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.560 And to be clear, while the KKK was absolutely Protestant, um, 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.960 and Protestants are famously not a unified bunch of people, 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.960 and not all Protestants went along with this ship. Um, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:15.879 and a ton of other pastors, I think kind of 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.359 an interfaith coalition worked to see the play band. And 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.040 what do you mean, I'm a little bit of a dummy. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.480 What what what do you mean by Protestants are not unified? Okay, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.800 so Protestant being like a larger umbrella of a lot 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:34.000 of different faiths that aren't Catholicism. Okay, yeah, no, it's not. 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.800 As a very legitimate question, basically, Protestant um as I 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:42.560 understand it is Christians who aren't Catholics and not Orthodox 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:43.960 and all of and it's just like, yeah, the big 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.520 umbrella is Protestant, and then like underneath that you have 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.040 you get the Baptist and the Methodists and a lot 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.080 of other different faiths. Yeah, and so I believe in 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:57.840 interfaith coalition worked together to see a band. But more 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.919 important than that, well, it's not really more important than that. 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.679 It's a complete aside is the fact that this show 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:10.879 is sponsored by capitalism. M hmm. I wonder where that 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.400 was going. Yeah, no, it's it's going to adds. That's 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:22.680 what's happening. And we are back and we are talking 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.879 about the people working to see this play band. In 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.720 the North, anti racists were really just people would pick 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.080 at the play. They would d platform the play wherever 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.320 they could. They would throw eggs at the actors of 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.159 the play, like they would get tickets and go inside 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.800 and just like and it would work. Right, they couldn't 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.959 do the play because everyone who came to the audience 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.720 was like, no, fuck you fucking racist, you know. And 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.240 I feel like this is like again, this is like 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.000 something that gets left out of history. Whenever people are like, 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.960 well they were racists like everyone back in the day, Like, 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.439 I hate that argument for a lot of reasons. I 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.840 mean I genuinely before you started that sentence was thinking 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.159 in my head like, oh, good people didn't exist like 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.520 I didn't like because I forget that too, Like you, 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:08.760 it's good to know that there are people that recognized 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.560 how bad that play was or that ideology was, because 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.000 I think, well, I don't know. I mean, of course 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.879 there were people like that, but I think I forget 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.080 that that was possible back then because I just assumed 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.160 they're all just like this, I don't know, racist lump 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.080 of people, and that's not true, Yeah, totally, And it 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.720 it gets it gets us off the hook when we're like, oh, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.200 well everyone sucks and you're like, well, yeah, a lot 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.919 of people suck a lot of people, especially when you 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.359 think about like the Civil War and you learn about how, 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.640 like the people that didn't want slavery they had slaves. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:43.320