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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Giljoy, and every week I tell

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Speaker 1: you about people that I decide are cool because I'm

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Speaker 1: apparently arbiter of cool based on the decisions I made

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Speaker 1: when I named my podcast being me. Who I decide

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Speaker 1: is cool usually means rebels and revolutionaries and all of that.

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Speaker 1: And today my guest is the one and the only

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Speaker 1: sharene Lana Units. That is correct, I am the guest.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, you're the host of a bunch of podcasts,

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Speaker 1: including Ethnically Ambiguous and it could happen here. I believe

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Speaker 1: you're the sole host of the latter one. Is that

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Speaker 1: I'm the co host of Wait which one? The latter one?

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Speaker 1: It could happen here? Ladder means it could happen here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: got it? Sorry, my brain is broken. Uh no, uh

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Speaker 1: I would. Yeah, if I was the only host of

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Speaker 1: that show. I am one of the rotating faces or voices.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like it's a daily show that people could

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Speaker 1: listen to. But yeah, it's it's almost like that almost.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I'm okay, good to talk

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Speaker 1: to a human being for for the first time today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not bad. I guess yeay, Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: are you? How am I? Yeah? I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I am? I. No one's ever asked you that, have they?

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Speaker 1: I'm the first, probably how am I? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of burned out. I'm coming I'm almost done

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Speaker 1: with a book tour, and I got to come home

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Speaker 1: for a week, but then I'm leaving again for a

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Speaker 1: week tomorrow. And and in this week, you've already recorded

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Speaker 1: like fifteen podcasts, so yeah, break five or something. Well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not exactly a break. And I miss sleep, um

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Speaker 1: and I miss sleep anyway. Our producer is the one

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Speaker 1: and only Sophie who matters. So if you looked m

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Speaker 1: real Sophie's choice, you made right there. You're the only

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Speaker 1: Sophie in my phone. Oh my god, I feel so honored.

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Speaker 1: Marred has three people in her phone, two people named John.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think the only Sophie I

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Speaker 1: know are like our friends with her, I am the

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Speaker 1: only one who matters, shrinks I better. Okay, I deleted

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Speaker 1: all the other ones off my phone. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: this and you're my friend, and your name is Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Don't feel forgotten, even though that would be technically accurate.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you did get forgotten, so sorry about it.

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Speaker 1: I forget a lot of things, but I don't forget that.

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Speaker 1: Our audio engineer is Ian high Ian. It's fun to

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Speaker 1: talk to Ian because he can't say anything back. That's true.

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Speaker 1: Our theme music was written for us by a woman

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Speaker 1: who you should check her out wherever you listen to

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Speaker 1: your music Spotify. I don't know that one's like evil,

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Speaker 1: but I don't have like a better band camp whatever. Margaret,

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Speaker 1: just plug in corporations. That's just like my thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: really into corporate Yeah, this is my heel turn um okay,

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Speaker 1: and then Sophie, today, what we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: is something that I spent ten minutes trying to come

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: anything sarcastic about racism and the ku klex Klan. You

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Speaker 1: did make some several uh inappropriate jokes off Mike, and

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Speaker 1: that is something that you listeners don't get to hear.

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Speaker 1: That is would definitely or shrine and me or if

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Speaker 1: you're reading a transcript, Libel Yeah, that's my pedant joke

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Speaker 1: day Today. Okay, today we're going to talk about people

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Speaker 1: who fucked up the clan. Unfortunately, that actually means this

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Speaker 1: week we're going to talk about people who sucked up

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Speaker 1: the clan. Today, we're going to talk about the clan,

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Speaker 1: but not in a real detailed atrocities kind of way.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to just kind of treat have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of the Klux Klan? They're not really very underground.

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Speaker 1: Rings a bell, I think it rings a bell, hoods

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Speaker 1: white people, racism, violence, evil. We're not going to go

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Speaker 1: I think people are well aware of this is a

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Speaker 1: that we can better understand what we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about about how people sucked them up. Um and kind

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Speaker 1: So there's this organization that most everyone has heard of,

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Speaker 1: They're bad, They wear stupid outfits and they set crosses

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Speaker 1: are terrorist organization and the most raw sense of that word.

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Speaker 1: They were created as a reflection of white people's fear

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Speaker 1: to make everyone obedient to white supremacy. I'm like usually

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Speaker 1: That was funny. I think that was That's the sort

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Speaker 1: don't know. I only think I'm funny. Sophie laughs at

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Speaker 1: my jokes and oh god, well now it just feels

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Speaker 1: fake laugh is well, you know who else wants you

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Speaker 1: Actually for all of the you know, anti racist work

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Speaker 1: one it started in eighteen sixty five. It was started

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Speaker 1: by six Confederate assholes. They were like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: first incarnation they are more into pointy hats with over

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Speaker 1: So the six Confederate assholes they formed the KKK in

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Speaker 1: in general people like to argue. Well, so the basis

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Speaker 1: It was a party club? Oh it was they wanted

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Speaker 1: fucking with you. I don't believe you. I've been Margaret

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Speaker 1: is not Margaret is a better human. Um. Doesn't that

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Speaker 1: And like evolution, I've ever heard devolution? But can you

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Speaker 1: And everyone else, you know, so like and so they

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Speaker 1: and some of them would like talk in like weird voices.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, and they would play prank rejectively funny, am

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Speaker 1: I dad? I mean that's what's so interesting, is um.

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Speaker 1: it is all goofy in the end. I guess we

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Speaker 1: forget how goofy this ship is. Sometimes it absolutely it

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Speaker 1: is also fucking goofy. And and so they what happened

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Speaker 1: I say it was banned a ton of places, it

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00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: was not successfully banned most places, right, it was performed

425
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: a ton of places. Is very commercially successful and in

426
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: the wake of performances, racist violence would follow. And it

427
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: was this book in the play The Klansmen that introduced

428
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: the pointed hoods and the cross burnings. They were actually

429
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: an invention of a novelist, not history, and the cross

430
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: burnings come from a Scottish tradition called the kron Tara,

431
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: which is a way that the Scots would make a

432
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: declaration of war, which I'm like, kind of annoyed. This

433
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: is the least bad thing that the clan did, but

434
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of annoyed that they took this. The burning

435
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: cross was a symbol to rally people to defend an area,

436
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: but it wasn't done like the clan does it where

437
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: they like set a burning cross to be like we're

438
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna suck you up or whatever. They would send messengers around,

439
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: and this was throughout a bunch of different parts of Europe.

440
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: They would send messengers around with a burned or burning

441
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: cross as like the symbol. Like if the messenger shows

442
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: up in your town and they're not like it's not

443
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: like a huge like Jesus sale, Like, it's not a

444
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: it's like a one you can hold one hand. Yeah, yeah,

445
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: it's like a foot tall or whatever you know, and

446
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: you would run around with this thing and you send

447
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: messengers out and be the like, hey, get your people ready,

448
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: it's time to go fight. So it was it was

449
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: so much cooler. Yea, what has become. And there's one

450
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: argument I saw that burning crosses were used like the

451
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: This is a reference that I don't know what percentage

452
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: of the audience will get, like the beacon fires of

453
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: gondor the that a reference that works for either of you. Um,

454
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend, okay, chuckling to myself, it's from Lord

455
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: of the Rings. Uh yeah, well I figured it was

456
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: the Rings, but I don't know enough about that reference

457
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: is about to continue further. No, No, the idea of

458
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: being like if you want to communicate things across great

459
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: distances back in the day, you set big fires on

460
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: top of a hill, and then someone on the next

461
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: hill season sorts of big fire and and the fires

462
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: continue along or whatever. And so there's people who make

463
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: a claim that the burning crosses were used like that. Um,

464
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if I've seen people making a

465
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: lot of different arguments about the kron Tara and I

466
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: was used m hm. So you got the book, you

467
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: got the play. How about a movie, Sharine, No, do

468
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: you think there should be a movie of the class? Wait?

469
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I do know about this little bit of history.

470
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. It's called the Birth of a Nation. Yeah,

471
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: that sounds right, sounds about right. Yeah, I thought in

472
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: my head, I'm just so used to like crazy plot

473
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: twists that are actually real. I thought you were going

474
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: to be like and that was the origin of Broadway. Well,

475
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the birth of American filmmaking as

476
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: like feature length. It's the first feature length Hollywood film

477
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, it is, and it's that is a

478
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: terrible fact. I'm glad that he didn't invent Broadway. Also, yeah, um,

479
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: it's the most influential film of all time. It invented

480
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: or made widespread a bunch of technical accomplishments like the

481
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: close up, the fade out, and the orchestral score. It

482
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: was the first movie screened inside the White House. There's

483
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people arguing about how the president react

484
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: to this, um, but he certainly intentionally had this movie

485
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: screened inside the White House. It was the president back then.

486
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: You'd think I would have included it in my script,

487
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: but did not. Yeah, one of those like also rans,

488
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean he actually won, but like one of those

489
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: people that we don't talk about all that much. Um.

490
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: And it remains the most racist film in Hollywood history.

491
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: It's about scary black men trying to hurt white women

492
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: and white women who are then saved by the heroic

493
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: clue klux Klan. This film, this will be shocking to

494
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: a lot of shocking revelations here. It was polarizing. Oh

495
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: don't say some people didn't like it. Well, that's good

496
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: to know. Honestly, I can't expect anything anymore. That's good

497
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: to know that people were like, actually maybe not. I

498
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: mean most vocally black people didn't like it for a

499
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: very good reason, right, Um. But there were other people.

500
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: But the people who did the most work against this film,

501
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, the end Double a

502
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: c P, which is the National Association for the Advancement

503
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: of Color People, which was found as six years earlier

504
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: in nineteen o nine. It was at the forefront of

505
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: the fight against the film. They were joined by leftists,

506
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: civil rights folks, religious leaders including Jews, who went all

507
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: out against this movie. Three states banned the movie. Wherever

508
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: it played, white mobs attacked black people. Um. Lynchings across

509
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: the country went up fivefold in the month that it

510
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: came out. Wow, it's just so unfortunate and devastating, like

511
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: coming just from like and it was a silly but

512
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: like from like an artistic technical perspective that like all

513
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: of these really technical achievements when it comes to filmmaking

514
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: and making art. The fact that this was like the

515
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: first feat that they decided to put all those energies

516
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: towards or like that is so sad to me, I

517
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because filmmaking is like an amazing

518
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: achievement back then that was like that was it was

519
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: like what what was it? Nine fifteen? ID I cheated,

520
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: but like that was That's just so mind boggling to

521
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: me that so many like fascinating, mind boggling things that

522
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: filmmaking is that they were they were dedicated first to this,

523
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: and that's just so sad. I don't know rant But

524
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that came out of it as

525
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: a as a reaction against it, it was the birth

526
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: of the quote. I don't think it's what people want

527
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: to call it now, but it was a quote of

528
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: the the race movie movies for black audiences, the first

529
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: black owned film studio, The Lincoln Motion Picture Company was

530
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: founded in nineteen six basically as like people got together

531
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: to work to counter the blatant racism of the Birth

532
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: of a Nation, and in classic Hollywood form, merchandizing followed.

533
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: The film people started selling kkk K. However, many case

534
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: hats and kitchen aprons and ship like that assholes had

535
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: planned for parties. Yeah, the app lilyad merged. God, well,

536
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: it's a spoil it a little bit. The clan that

537
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: gets reborn out of it is basically a merged selling organization.

538
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: But um with this is still the second iteration. We're

539
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: about to get to the second iteration. This is actually

540
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: a dead time during the clan. There is no clan

541
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: right now. Oh, the clan has been dead since eighteen

542
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: seventy two. So because they're like dead in quotes like

543
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: they the government eradicated it. Yeah, and it actually seemed

544
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: to be functionally gone. It actually seemed to not be organized,

545
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: and all the people who wanted to continue the terror

546
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: joined all these other organizations. Other people were like, well,

547
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: we kind of one with Jim Crow, so we can

548
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: just like continue to be racist through the legal means.

549
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: So this rebirthed the clan in some yes, very directly actually.

550
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: But one more thing about classic Hollywood ship baggery. The

551
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: director of this film, d W. Griffith, he made a

552
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: movie the next year called Intolerance, And it wasn't about like,

553
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: intolerance is great, I love being a biggot. It was

554
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: about how all the people who were critical of his movie,

555
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: we're intolerant? Wow, Wow, what a what a round about

556
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: little statement of the conturing. Doesn't it just sound like

557
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: exactly what would happen right now? Yeah? It does? Wow,

558
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I guess no one. I guess Humanity actually doesn't change,

559
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, it even just has different mediums of expressing itself.

560
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: At the end, we're just the same stupid dummies. Yeah.

561
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: The balance of like the balance of people have better

562
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: ideas and worse ideas, like changes and like shifts back

563
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: and forth. But it's like it shifts back and forth

564
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: like sixty Yeah it really does. Yeah, But like, I

565
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: don't I used to know so much more about this

566
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: era in film because I studied film, So I don't,

567
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: Like my brain is like blocking so many things out.

568
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: But he's a terrible person from I remember, Like, it

569
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: wasn't just this film, it was just like I don't know.

570
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: He just he defended it like to his death, like

571
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: it was I don't know. Yeah, but like what was

572
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: the author? What was the original author's name of the

573
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: book and the play and all of that. Let me

574
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: scroll back. It's not important. If it's not important that,

575
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: who cares Thomas Dixon Jr. Okay, Okay, So he wrote wait,

576
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: he wrote them, and that was based that was the

577
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: original story of Birth of a Nation. Birth of a Nation.

578
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: I think it's like the second half of Birth in

579
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: the Nation is based on the Klansman. I didn't actually

580
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: as part of this, Like, one day I'm going to

581
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: sit down. I'll probably never read the Klansman. I'm not

582
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: like opposed to the idea of it, but I probably

583
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: won't use my one short life to do so. One

584
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: day I feel like I should watch Birth of a Nation.

585
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: But like I've definitely seen some of it just by

586
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: nature of like studying stuff and disturbing. I mean, like

587
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: it's I mean, just like the black face is the

588
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: least disturbing part, and that is so concerning, you know

589
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's just terrible anyway, Yeah, that's

590
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: well what it also did. This movie rebirth the KKK

591
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: in ninetif a car who is practically the hero of

592
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: the story but didn't quite succeed, a car hit a

593
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: guy named William Joseph Simmons. Unfortunately didn't hit him hard enough,

594
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: so he spent a while recovering instead of rotting. While

595
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: he was laid up in bed, he decided, you know what,

596
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: let's restart the KKK, just like in that fancy movie

597
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: I just saw. Wow, he'd already joined like a dozen

598
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: different secret societies. Why not make his own. So he

599
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: got a copy of the old KKK's rules, and he

600
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: recruited some folks, including two members of the original clan

601
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: who were old as ship at this point, and he

602
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: went to Stone Mountain outside of Atlanta, Georgia. We're gonna

603
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: talk more about Stone Mountain later, fifteen charter members burned

604
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: across and restarted the hate group. And this guy, he like,

605
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: as soon as the government investigates the KKK, he's like, oh, oh,

606
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: I hope there's no crimes. And he starts like distancing

607
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: himself away from federal after like he's like, oh, that's

608
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: something doing me as soon as the Feds started investigating it,

609
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: because he's just like fucking Proud Boy founder Gavin McKennis,

610
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: who ditched the group as soon as they started, as

611
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: soon as the going got rough coward. And I read

612
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: another an academic analysis that said he was basically pushed

613
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: out by the next guy who wanted to turn into

614
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: a mass movement by loosening up recruitment standards. But the

615
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: guy who found it didn't stay in charge of it

616
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: all that long. And this new incarnation, the second incarnation

617
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: of the KKK, is by numbers, by far the largest KKKK.

618
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: However many case, I'm just going to keep getting that wrong.

619
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: The entire time, Um, there were up to about five

620
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: million people in the KKK in the That's a lot

621
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, And it's also the least influential period

622
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: of the KKK for some reasons that we'll talk about.

623
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: Probably the first incarnation was the most influential, and that

624
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: it sucked up reconstruction and then the third one that

625
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: we'll talk about later. I think i I'm making a

626
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: statement rather than like this being what historians have agreed

627
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: upon is more influential in the way that it continues

628
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: along campaign of terrorism and hate and uh funcked with

629
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: civil rights movements and things. This one, it was kind

630
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: of like a social group. It was like people cost

631
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: playing as the KKK to get together and they're like white,

632
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: pure Protestant thing. And then the best part was it

633
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: was a fucking pyramid scheme, this elaborate grift and like

634
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: they're just basically like it's a fucking multi level marketing

635
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: scheme where like you keep some of the money of

636
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: the people that you recruit into the KKK, but you

637
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: send the rest of it up to the people up top.

638
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: And they sold tons of KKK merch. You could live

639
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: your whole KKK life. You could go to KKK camp

640
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: by a KKK pocket knife. Yeah. No, they had this

641
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. There's actually a lot of yeah,

642
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and there's actually, uh, just to to shout out a

643
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: podcast that some people might have heard, Behind the Bastards,

644
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: there's a good Behind the Bastards about this part of it,

645
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: about how it's all an elaborate grift and how it's

646
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: like this like lifestyle club. But the other thing to

647
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: know about the second incarnation the KKK is they weren't

648
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: just anti black. They absolutely were anti black. That is

649
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: there rooted thing, but it isn't quite where they actually

650
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: put people like to argue about this, and I'm not

651
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: sure it might not be where they put on most

652
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: of their energy. They were anti gay, they were anti

653
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: Latin X. They're anti Asian. They were anti socialists. They

654
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: were anti the i w W, the Industrial Workers of

655
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: the World, a syndicalist union. They were anti abortion. They

656
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: were anti atheist. They are anti jew, they were anti Muslim, and,

657
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: possibly more than anything else, or at least the thing

658
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: that gets talked about the most, they were anti catholic Um,

659
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: which is funny. What did they have a religious They

660
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, so I thought they were Christians. Yeah,

661
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: I was raised vaguely Catholic. I didn't realize that huge

662
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: chunks of the Protestant world don't considerate Catholics to be Christian.

663
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Oh they are. I mean we're sort of the original Christians.

664
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but it's all the Cross. I mean, that's

665
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: the boils down to. They all like the Cross. Yeah,

666
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: I'll talk a little bit more about very simplic, but

667
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: like it's I don't know, yeah, I mean, like, you know,

668
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: I think that Christian religions would be I guess I

669
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: would behind it. Like the people who think Jesus is

670
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: the son of God rather than a prophet, you know.

671
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: And but what's so funny is it all of these

672
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: things I listed, except the Catholic part, sound everything like

673
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: modern hate groups. Yeah, so what they were just like

674
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: it sounds like they were just pro white. Yeah, like

675
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: what there's that's that's the only thing that they were

676
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: for sure for they were wasps. They were white Anglo

677
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Sacks and Protestants, and or some of them were like,

678
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not Anglo Sax and I'm Celtic because they were

679
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: like Lowland Scottish or whatever. Because the guy who wrote

680
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: that book was like into his Scottish heritage and his

681
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: weird racisms. And so to talk about the anti Catholic

682
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: thing and why it makes any sense, um, because it

683
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: doesn't translate very well in the modern context of you're

684
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: going to be a right wing asshole today. About twenty

685
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: three million immigrants have just poured into the US over

686
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: the past few decades from the not nice parts of

687
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Europe like Italy and Ireland and Eastern Europe. And you've

688
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: got this nativist thing which is a prejudice against even

689
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: white immigrants. And this is where a lot of the

690
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: like the Italians or the Irish weren't white kind of

691
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: stuff comes from, and that nativism and that like anti

692
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: Irish and anti Italian, et cetera stuff. It was anti

693
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Catholicism was a big part of it. And the reasoning

694
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: is is complicated. You've got some religious dogmatism, the clan,

695
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, their wasps Um. Catholics weren't Protestant, so they

696
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: were the enemy. There's the nativism. They're immigrants, so they're

697
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: the enemy. But the main rationality people have used, kind

698
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: of in the sort of almost conspiracy theory ish level,

699
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: that people use against Catholics is that they can never

700
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: be true patriots because they serve Rome and the Pope

701
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: and they're not to be trusted because they have dual loyalty. Interesting,

702
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: and this idea goes back really far in the seventeen

703
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: fifties and the seventeen sixties and colonial New York. The

704
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: first gun control laws that New York passed before the

705
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: United States existed banned the sale of guns to indigenous

706
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: people and to Catholics. Um, this is actually that's really funny.

707
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: I know that, and it's actually coming up now because

708
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: there's this gun control laws in New York and they're

709
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: like referencing they're they're like referencing these old gun control

710
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: laws as like there's there's precedent. Wild that is I

711
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: mean that rational is so just like conspiracy theory like

712
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: e to me, like I don't know, Like it's just

713
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know. So it's it's about they want

714
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: you to be a patriot. So it's about like nationalism

715
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: more so than like racism kind of in that sense.

716
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: But like or I don't know, it's messy because I

717
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: would say overall because like as far as I've looked

718
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: into like eighteenth century and earlier um US stuff and

719
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe nineteenth century stuff in the US, the anti Irish,

720
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: et cetera, the Irish might not have been white, but

721
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: they weren't black, right, they were this like special third

722
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: thing to use the meme of the day, and so

723
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: it was still better than being black to be uh

724
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: someone who has since become white. Right. But there is

725
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: this kind of brief spike in the late nineteenth century

726
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: early twentieth century where a lot of people are getting

727
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of more consciously called and grouped in with like

728
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: people of color or you know, colored people sections or whatever,

729
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: right of people who are like ethnic Europeans rather than

730
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, proper white Europeans or whatever. I mean, I

731
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's had that Irish friend that was

732
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: like my relatives are slight, or like my answers were slashed,

733
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: which isn't true. So yeah, I know, but I feel

734
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: like that narrative is unfortunately like a thing for some people. No,

735
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: totally and like, and what I want is people as

736
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: as someone who you know of his Irish heritage or whatever,

737
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: but is fucking white and modern American context is to

738
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: recognize that, like you don't have to like pretend to

739
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: the oppression of the Irish people is a real thing

740
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: that happened, and you don't need to fucking like come

741
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: in and try and swoop in on someone else's that

742
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: was like a different and more important thing that was happening. Yeah,

743
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: I think I think the what it is it like

744
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: the the allure of struggle, like making sure everyone knows

745
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: that you struggled to and you're not as privileged as

746
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: you appear to be. It's such an I mean, it's

747
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: still happening today and will probably continue to happen for

748
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: a long time. But I think the Irish thing is

749
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: a good example of that in modern times where it's

750
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: like it's okay that you have privileged you don't have

751
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: to prove that you one day, once upon a time

752
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: your family had it hard. I don't know, no totally.

753
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think it is worth being proud

754
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: of a history of rebellion, but that needs to be

755
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: not you, obviously, but me needs to be aware that

756
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: like that doesn't translate to like oppression now, you know,

757
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: and like it should only translate to an awareness of

758
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: like why you should be on the right side of history.

759
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: And whereas a lot of the people who do that,

760
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: like the Irish word slaves, it's kind of like, well

761
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: we did good, why can't you do good? Bullshit? Yeah? Yeah, no,

762
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: that's you know what else is bullshit? What else is bullshit?

763
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh right, it's all my chop up? So sorry no, no, sure,

764
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: it's a fucking professional. Yeah. Sof so, we told us

765
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: this time to go to ads, and I just went

766
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 1: on a We went on a ran instead. I just thought,

767
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe you forgot like I did. I completely forgot step

768
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: on toes. I didn't want to step on toes, but

769
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: I did want to bash on capitalism. So yeah, yeah, bullshit, Yeah,

770
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: here's some things that you can make up your own

771
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: mind about about whether or not they interest you. And

772
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: we are back. Okay, I didn't One of the funny

773
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: things about the second incarnation of the KKK. That guy

774
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: whose name already forgot, the guy you stuck who wrote

775
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: the book Tom something Dick and whatever. Yeah, it was

776
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: a junior at the end of Tom Dick Jr. Oh

777
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: I wrote it in the script again, Dixon Jr. H

778
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: close the KKK was too bigoted for him, the new one, Wow,

779
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: because he didn't hate Jews or Catholics, he only hated

780
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: black people. It he claims that he is the black

781
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: person's best friend. Um, but yeah, he has this whole

782
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: thing about how it's like the other classic one of

783
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: the many classic forms of racism. It's like being like,

784
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: you should care because I'm trying to help you all

785
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: be better by not being horrible ignorant, terrible people or whatever.

786
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm helping you evolve because I'm better than you. Yeah exactly.

787
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, So no, he didn't join the New KKK

788
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: after he fucking inspired it because he because he was

789
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: the classic type of racist and was like, I don't

790
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: know about this new fangled expanding the concept of racism,

791
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: new brands of racism, just dividing racists everyone I know,

792
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: I know. Okay. The other weird things that the second

793
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: KKK did. They were the paramilitary force that enforced prohibition.

794
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: What yeah, okay, So there's this period in or seven

795
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: prohibition when alcohol, Yeah, alcohol was illegal federally for you know,

796
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: tennis years or whatever. Many people listening to the actual

797
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: dates and I don't off the top of my head

798
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: when it was banned and waits were they also anti alcohol? Yes?

799
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: Because and I didn't realize this. Good Protestants don't drink.

800
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: It's what dirty Catholics and black people do is drink alcohol.

801
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: And these are good, upstanding, moral American value white people, yes, preach,

802
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: So they're going to go around and murder everyone who drinks.

803
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: That is so funny to me. Okay, this is apologies

804
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: if anyone gets triggered by this. But in my head,

805
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: alcohol is like a very white thing. I know it's not,

806
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: I know it's not. But in my head, the most

807
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: white American thing you can do is like heaven beer

808
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: at night. You know. So the fact that like this

809
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: very white organization anti alcohol is very interesting to me. No,

810
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: totally because I think they're just boring us. Fucking nobody

811
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: wanted to hang out with them, and so they're like,

812
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: let's just make all these roles together, straight edged dorks. Wow. Yeah,

813
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: it's okay to be straight edge. No, not bashing that,

814
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: but it's very interesting to think of them all kind

815
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: of being on their moral high hords, will be boring

816
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: Nazis together. Yeah, yeah, basically, and like Jesus, Chris, get

817
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: like a normal hobby. You fucking sorry, you can't hold

818
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: your liquor, you Jesus. They're like, they're like those dirty

819
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: people like to have a glass of wine. Like, yeah,

820
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: but you make a point about how so many things

821
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: can be averted by just someone having a hobby, had

822
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: something to occupies we would avoid so much, Like if

823
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Hitler got into art school, you know, it's always the

824
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: argument that was made that it is always argued that

825
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: was made boils down to a hobby. I went to

826
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: art school briefly, and we would joke about I was

827
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: one of the worst people at my art school, and

828
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: us bad at art. People at my art school would

829
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: joke that we got let in because art schools let

830
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: everyone in. Ever since nineteen whenever ye can't. I can't

831
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: risk it. God learn at a needle point, you fucking

832
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: claim we probably need a list of Uh. I'm not, again,

833
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: not a big law girl, but like, uh, I don't

834
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: know why that phrase is so funny to me, because

835
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: because I like imagining the people who like laws is

836
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: like liking horses. That's your hobby, is liking Yeah, I

837
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: just think that is a funny. Like, so if you're

838
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: not a law girl, who is the law? Like, what

839
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: does the law girl do? Like, she's just she loves

840
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: solving problems with laws? Okay, got it? And again I'm

841
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: finding an exception here law girls. Okay, this is what

842
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: it is. You know how. I'm not condoning stealing by

843
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: any means, but I think at the end of the day,

844
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: you have to, like, sometimes I can rationalize laws being

845
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: stupid and in place for dumb reason, you know, Like

846
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't mind taking something from a big corporation and

847
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: being like fuck you, And the same applies to laws.

848
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 1: If you just recognize that laws are stupid and made

849
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: up by someone, everything kind of falls apart. But if

850
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: you really like this is against the law, I can't go.

851
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: I can't jaywalk people that are law girls don't. And

852
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: now what I believe is that should look both ways

853
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: before you jay walk right exactly exactly, think about good analogy,

854
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: what is the law, Why does the law exist? And

855
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: then you follow the thing. If the law exists so

856
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: that people don't get hit by cars and interrupt traffic

857
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, right, and obviously sometimes we should interrupt cars,

858
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: but then you just try to not do that rather

859
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: than obey the law, like like if there's if there's

860
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: a stoplight and there is not a single car there,

861
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: but it says it's a red hand. The logical thing

862
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: to do is just a fucking walk. But if you're

863
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: a fucking law girl or like whatever it is, you're

864
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: literally standing there because it's against the law. And that

865
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: is so silly to me. That is so sick. Well,

866
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: the one thing I am attempting to solve car slially

867
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: is that maybe we have a list of hobbies that

868
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: are not allowed to have. Everyone should get hobbies, but

869
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: the hobbies can't be murdering people from drinking before you know,

870
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure we can all think of hobbies that people

871
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't have, and maybe we shouldn't run on the list

872
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: hoppy lobby, that's that's the name of our campaign to

873
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: try and get this put into loss that people that

874
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: are behind the bastards on them. Yeah, hobby lobby, remember

875
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: I remember when that happened. For whatever reason, the word

876
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: hobby got like destroyed for me because I Almos thought

877
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: it was like a cute word and then it just

878
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: like they took it from us. Going back, all right,

879
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: speaking of lobbies, h this incarnation of the clan was

880
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: very politically influential. U they elected thirteen state governors, untold

881
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: numbers of judges. It's just a fucking magafing. Practically, some

882
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: Jewish congress people led an inquiry against all of this

883
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: um and then those against the clan, and those congress

884
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: people found themselves replaced by clan candidates the next election.

885
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: And they did a lot more than they did their

886
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: old ship too. Write They were like this dumb group

887
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: that was like running around having like big festivals and

888
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: being a like having selling KKK pocket knives and ship.

889
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: They were also murdering people, all the usual people that

890
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: they hated. But they fell apart the way that lots

891
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: of right wing stuff falls apart. They first they split

892
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: into two different organizations fighting over the same name They

893
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: then fell into disrepute because some of the leaders got

894
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: caught undressed and fucking and it's some kind of like

895
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: sex den wow plot twist, I know. And since the

896
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: whole thing is like we're the moral, upstanding Christian Americans,

897
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, and then one of their leaders abducted, raped,

898
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: and murdered a white woman and that's exactly what they

899
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: claimed that people of colored Yeah, and so that so

900
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: they started to fall out of favor because people started

901
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: being like, oh, these people actually suck. And all the while,

902
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: like tons of groups are fighting them and they're working

903
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: against them, and that ties into their downfall as people's

904
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: aren't realizing that these people suck, and then everyone's fighting

905
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: against them. There's like newspaper expose as on how much

906
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just a grift. People start realizing

907
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: they're getting ripped off. Maybe five million members by nine thirty,

908
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: that thirty thousand members. And during the thirties, Uh, they

909
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: changed from having Catholics as their enemy number one having

910
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: Communists their enemy number one. I think they're basically like

911
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: trying to ride the red scare, but it didn't revitalize them.

912
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: By nineteen forty, they're all but gone in in nineteen

913
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: forty four. It was officially disbanded because they owed back

914
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: taxes and they had to hit Oh yeah, the whole

915
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: thing was like part of their like grift was that

916
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: they just bought a ton of real estate. Right. The

917
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: grift is over at the end of KKK number two,

918
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: but the KKK is still around the third KKK. Some

919
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: people will split it between the third and fourth. I'm

920
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: not going to This one is more informal. It's a

921
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: bunch of independent groups around the country with like different

922
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: names like the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux

923
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: Klan or whatever. They're back to their roots. They are

924
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: focused on attacking and terrorizing black people, and they lack

925
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: the numbers for like the forty to one fights that

926
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: they prefer, so they don't go start fights, they don't

927
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: go try and get into street brawls. They bomb black

928
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: people's houses, they burned black churches. They murder black people,

929
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: especially civil rights activists in the South. It's interesting because

930
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: while the second kk it was KKK whatever fun was

931
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: by far the largest organization, the first and the third

932
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: clan did way more in terms of their impact on

933
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: US politics in a lasting way. In Birmingham, Alabama. They

934
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: worked closely with police for decades. The third one probably

935
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: peauked in about nineteen sixty five with thirty five to

936
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: fifty thousand members. Since then, it's fallen like mostly out

937
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: of favor, mostly because you have like spiritual successors like

938
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: the Patriot Front and Ship. You can still see them

939
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: around being fucking evil from time to time. The Southern

940
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center says that there's probably twenty nine separate

941
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: rival clan groups around the u S right now arguing

942
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: about who's the true heir to the k KK. But Sharine,

943
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: this wasn't meant to be the story of the KKK.

944
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: This is meant to be the story of some of

945
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: the many, many people who fought them. And so I'm

946
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: gonna set the tone for when we come back Wednesday

947
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: with this quote. I'm so I'm so happy because I

948
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: I was really hoping the good part was coming up soon,

949
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: and I did not know what I was coming. I know,

950
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: I kind of I like, I framed this whole episode,

951
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: this whole week's episode slightly differently than I usually do,

952
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: mostly because there's so many different levels of the KKK,

953
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, I feel like it's worth understanding

954
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: it all. And honestly, I didn't know most of the stuff.

955
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: Ghost stuff I still can't get over, I know. I mean,

956
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: that's good to know. Yeah, and like, and I'm hoping

957
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk, We're gonna talk on Wednesday about

958
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: some of the people who fought them, but I'm hoping

959
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: to do more in depth stuff on some of the

960
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: more the larger organized groups who fought against them in

961
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: the future. And so I'm hoping to kind of like

962
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: build a groundwork, um and to set this tone, I'm

963
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: gonna quote from p Jelly Clark, who, in his introduction

964
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: to a graphic novel called The Day the Clan Came

965
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: to Town by Bill Campbell, he describes black veterans returning

966
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: from World War One and other African Americans created armed

967
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: defense units to protect their communities from rampaging white violence.

968
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: Rosa Parks recalled, at the age of six, seeing her

969
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: own grandfather brandishing a shotgun on their porch. Quote. I

970
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: stayed awake many nights keeping vigil with Grandpa, she recounted.

971
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to see him kill a Ku klux er.

972
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: He declared. The first to invade our home would surely die.

973
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: And and I want to frame whatever this is my cliffhanger.

974
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: I want to frame all of this because racist violence

975
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: was normalized by the existence of hate groups like the KKK,

976
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: but self defense and community defense was also normalized because

977
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: and that party gets left out of a lot of

978
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: the histories. So when we come back on Wednesday, I

979
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: will tell you a bunch of those stories, nowhere near

980
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: to all of them, because there's so many stories of

981
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: people fighting them. That's what I got that great. Thanks, Sharine.

982
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to plug? Yeah, you can

983
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: listen to my podcast ethnically Ambigie was if you want to.

984
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: If you listen to It Could Happen Here, which is

985
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: has a bunch of smart people on it, and I'm

986
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: on there sometimes. Um and then yeah, I don't know.

987
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: If you want to follow me, you can figure it out.

988
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Godspeed. If you like history, you should

989
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: find the episodes that Sharne does on It Could Happen Here.

990
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I'm getting better at them. I'm

991
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a work in progress, everybody, but actual history.

992
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Margaret, is there anything you'd like to plug?

993
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: Do we perhaps have a live stream coming up. Oh yeah,

994
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a guest on a Behind the

995
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: Bastard's live stream on December eight, two thousand twenty two.

996
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: In case you're listening to this some time in the future,

997
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: which case this one information I know. I'm really excited.

998
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I have no idea what it's

999
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna be about. Yeah, and you can get tickets on

1000
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: the internet, probably most easily by Google Lane Behind the

1001
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: Bastard's Live show December eight. That's how I would do it.

1002
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: There's probably an actual link that might be in the

1003
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: show notes. It's a moment how stock co slash bTB. Yeah,

1004
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: what I would probably do is Google instead of trying

1005
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: to remember things. But that's me. And you can ask

1006
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: if you are a person in the audience of this thing,

1007
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: you can ask questions of me or Sophie or Robert.

1008
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: I guess and that's what I have to plug. Sophie,

1009
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: you've got anything to plug? Any good new podcasts out

1010
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: on cool Zone Media. Oh yeah, you can listen to

1011
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: Internet Hate Machine, hosted by Bridget Todd uh and all

1012
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: of our other shows. You can find out more about

1013
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: that on cool zone media dot com or at cool

1014
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: Zone Media on the social medes I will say that

1015
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: I started listening to Internet Hate Machine and did and

1016
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound anything like the Nine Inch Nails album

1017
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: Pretty Hate Machine. We really wanted to, um, you know,

1018
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: but clear about that, yeah, but instead it is actually

1019
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: I know when you're like when a bad thing happens

1020
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: on the Internet, like Elon must take you over Twitter,

1021
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: like I don't know, bridget Todd's good. I like the podcast.

1022
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tell you. You You should listen

1023
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: to it. Anyway. That's the end of part by everyone

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,040
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