1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm good. DJ, 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: like I mean. We're a week away from training camp starting. Um, 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: so look at his own. Uh. We're back to football. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: This is gonna be full football all the time for 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: the next six seven months. So I'm excited about it. Yeah, 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: we got a fun episode today because you've had a 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: chance to catch up with a lot of interesting folks, 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: including some of the top quarterbacks in the upcoming draft class. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: We assume these guys will end up in the upcoming 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: draft class. Uh. You got a chance to visit with 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: at at the Elite eleven and that includes Sam Howell 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: from North Carolina. You're alma mater, one of the top 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the country, Spencer Rattler. A lot of conversation 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: about him. They're at Oklahoma and maybe the most intriguing name, 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: and that's Malik Willis at IT Liberty, the Auburn transfer 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: had a monster year for the Flames last year. They 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: had a phenomenal top twenty five season. So you got 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: a chance to visit with those guys at the elite eleven. 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: We have a chance to dis gus those guys and 22 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: then roll some some interviews that you had a chance 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: to get with them as well as a coach that man, 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I've been dying to talk to this guy, Buck, and 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: you had a chance to do it. And one of 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: the top coaches in college football. And I think we 27 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: both believe the NFL is in his future. And that's 28 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: says Cincinnati's look Fickle, Yeah, DJ, Look it's it's a 29 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: great opportunity to talk to all the players. But you know, 30 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: like talking to coaches has been our thing, and so 31 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to talk to Luke Fickle, who 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: is definitely one of the hottest coaching candidates, not only 33 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: on the college football level, but he will be definitely 34 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: a hot commodity of the NFL level. Uh, terrific. He 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: has great insight. Uh really understands how to be able 36 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: to program, no doubt. All Right, let's get in here, 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: uh and jump in. How do you want to do this, Buck? 38 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Let's go. You want to go interview, conversation or conversation 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: the interview? You got editorial control here? We Oh, this 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: is a tough one. Less go conversation than interview. Okay, 41 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: all right, let's let's let's kick it off. Heir we 42 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: I teased about Malik Willis being one of more interesting 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: prospects potentially in the upcoming draft. He's not a big 44 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: guy six one two or fifteen pounds out at liberty, 45 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: but a phenomenal athlete. Book really really strong, and you 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: got a chance to to visit with him. So we're 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna roll that in just a minute. But um, I 48 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: just did my first look scouting report on him and 49 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: some guys, there's comps that just come right to you, 50 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes you need to kind of put guys together. Um. So, 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: when I watched him comparison wise as a runner, he's 52 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: very physical, he's very sudden. I saw some Taysom Hill 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: type traits to him there. He's really strong and powerful 54 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: like Tassom. Um. I saw there's a couple of cross 55 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: body throws where you see like some Josh Allen type throws. 56 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: But you know, Josh Allen's so much bigger, so much taller, 57 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: the different type of guy. Um, And so I kind 58 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: of said, well, what's kind of in the middle there? 59 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Jalen hurts He's got kind of 60 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: the same build as Jalen Hurts. They both can have 61 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: taken over games with their legs. They both can make 62 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: the throws you want to make, but just need to 63 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: be more consistent. Now I say that Malik's a souped 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: up version. He's got more suddenness as a thrower. He's 65 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: got more suddenness in his movement. But that was the 66 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: closest comparison I could come up with. I realized that 67 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: comparison here. Here's what I'll say, d J. Haven't had 68 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: a chance to watch him up close and personal. Uh 69 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: at Elite eleven. Whatever you think his lord body looks like, 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: add ten to fifteen pounds to it, because like I've 71 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: never seen anybody with an impressive lord body like that. 72 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: Like his legs, his trunk, I mean he is he 73 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: is built differently like it's almost see Kwan Barkley s 74 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: in terms of how his lower body looks compared to 75 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: his upper body, because his upper body is small and 76 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: not quite his field out um as his legs. And 77 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: when you watch him spin it. Here's what I said. 78 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: He has raw arm talent, It's not refined when it 79 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: comes to him putting it together. As a passer. And 80 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: so I love the Jalen Hurst comparison, but I'll go 81 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: all the way back and add the Dak Prescott comparison. 82 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: When Dak Prescott was coming out of Mississippi State. Whatever 83 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: you thought about Dak Prescott when he was coming out 84 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: of Mississippi State, little streaky, you didn't know if it 85 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: were work. I think you and I would both say 86 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: he's played at a much higher level than maybe most 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: of us thought he would play it for the Dallas 88 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys based on what he did at Mississippi State. When 89 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: you look at the leik, his body physically reminds me 90 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: of that Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts, Jak Prescott physical runner, leader, 91 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: all the other stuff. And what you hope is the 92 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: passing skills grow while he's playing a certain way at 93 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: the position. You know, sometimes it's just the number that 94 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: these guys are wearing that leads to a comparison. But 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: I saw like and this is the name. People will 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: take this as like an insult. It's not an insult. 97 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: But just remember how good of an athlete to Virs 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Jackson was. Hmm, that's kind of he kind of moved 99 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: around like him a little bit um. So he's a thicker, 100 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: stronger kid. Right. Here's the thing where people should understand 101 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: about Tavaris Jackson, the late Tovaris Jackson. I think the 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Baris Jackson was the second round pick out of Alabama 103 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: State coming out, hey man, a second round pick, that 104 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: that is money. He started in this league for a 105 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: long time. He played ten plus years in the league. 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: He was definitely not a flop or a failure as 107 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: a player. And so when you take that, I think 108 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: it is an apt comparison because what you're doing is 109 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: you're projecting a player who's coming from Look, I won't 110 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: dismiss Liberty, but he's coming from a group of five situations. 111 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: He's not quite as developed as maybe some of the 112 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: other guys his classmates would be. But man, the potential 113 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: is there. Were you're willing to give him a big 114 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: grade just on height, weight, speed potential because that potential 115 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: is immense. And now that the way that we're going 116 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: in the league, we're seeing there's a lane for those 117 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: guys to be able to play. Look, I'm not mad 118 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: at that comparison. I'm not mad at the two comparisons 119 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: to bars Jackson, Jalen hurts Um because I think there's 120 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: some validity to making those comparisons based on where Malik 121 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Willis is now as a raw athlete versus where he 122 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: could be down the line as a player in time. Yeah, 123 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: if you watch the NC State game, you won't like him. Um, 124 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: turn the ball over. A bunch of that game was 125 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: a little bit reckless. And then you watch every other 126 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: game that I watched, you you see a lot to 127 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: love about him, and almost you can see why he 128 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: ended up at Armor initially because he is kind of 129 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: like a mini Cam you know, he's like a like 130 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: he left Cam Newton and the Brier Um. Yeah, yeah, 131 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: like and look, there's something to that. What is it 132 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: the Coastal Carolina game where he really took that over? 133 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Took that over, and there is something to that. And 134 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: as the league is changing, because I think what everyone 135 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: has to understand, our league reacts to what happens in 136 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: the draft of previous year. Trade Lands going number three 137 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: overall will impact the way Scout's grave Malik Willis because 138 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: whatever Tray lances things, and I'm not saying they're the 139 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: same as players, but whatever deficiencies or things that you 140 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: may have had in Trey Lances game. You are now 141 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: more willing to be like, Okay, I see that, but 142 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: he still went in the top five. With Millie Willis, 143 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: you can be like, yeah, I see he doesn't have X, 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: Y and Z. But if trade Lands can go here, 145 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: there has to be a lane for Malik Willis to 146 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: go maybe higher than we expect. Maybe we need to 147 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt, but the grade 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: because the talent is certainly did no doubt. And uh, 149 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: let's let's get to your conversation. You had a chance 150 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: to catch up with Leek out there at the Elite Levens. 151 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: Here's Bucky with Malik Willis. So let's let's talk about 152 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: your journey. I mean, like here you are. I mean 153 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: some would say, like coming out of nowhere, there's this 154 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: hot shot quarterback prospect from Liberty. You started your journey 155 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: and Alburn, how did you make the route to Liberty? Well, uh, 156 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: I feel like it was more than a few things. 157 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: I can't just blame it on one thing, I can't 158 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: blame it on another. But whatever it happened, God I 159 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: had a plan for me to go get my head 160 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: on right and go Liberty and get on the field. 161 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't make my way on the field 162 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: as much as I would like to Auburn. I can 163 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: blame it on myself more than anybody else. I can't say, 164 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: oh coaching like man, this and that, you want handling 165 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: my business the right way. And that's what I had 166 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: to figure out. You gotta handle your business the right 167 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: way on and off the field. Talent and no talent, 168 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You just gotta do it the right way. 169 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: And so like, let's let's talk about continuing on Hugh 170 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Freeze that offense. What you guys have been able to do. 171 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: Why did it work? Why did it click when you 172 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: got the liberty? Just uh, I had to sit out 173 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: immediately when I got the liberty. Was hurt a lot 174 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: mentally physically, but it only built me. It made me stronger. 175 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I got a whole year of working out 176 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and practice and without I can't say a goal in mind, 177 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: but I couldn't touch the field really, but it just 178 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: made me so much mentally tougher. It made me so 179 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: much stronger, faster, But it just helped me put in 180 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: perspective how much I love the game and what I 181 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: would do to remain in the game. So whenever I 182 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: got my opportunity to step on that field, I was gonna, 183 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, go out there and play for one reason 184 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: only and one reason only. I'm playing for the audience 185 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: and want to play for him because they give me 186 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: another shot. But uh yeah, it definitely was a lot. 187 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: But ultimately it worked out and I got with Coach 188 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: Freeze and somebody who believed in me. Coach Austin would 189 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: help me on my fundamentals and on. They just continue 190 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: to get better and I'm glad I got another year 191 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: with them. Just get right, and I have another year 192 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: just in case we never know. Yeah, so, and the 193 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: thinking about that, like, for those who haven't had a 194 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: chance to really see you man an electric playmaker, guy 195 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: who can do it not only with arm but with 196 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: the legs. Are very creative inside and outside of the pocket. 197 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: When you look at yourself on tape, what do you 198 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: believe your best traits are? I don't believe I really 199 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: have any like in all honesty, I just want to 200 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: like continue to grow in those facets I've seen to 201 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: build upon. I just want to grow in those areas. 202 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: I feel like there neither no area I'm like performed 203 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: in this where it needs to be in order to 204 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: be the best I can be. I just want to 205 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: continue to be more consistent and just help my teammates. 206 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: How Like when I feel like when I get better, 207 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: like they get better because they try to like them 208 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: keep up with me, and I try to keep up 209 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: with them. We always try to one up each other. 210 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: So it makes me feel real good when they see 211 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: something I'm doing good and they try to go out 212 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: and do something better and I and then you know, 213 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: it's as a we build on each other. I like it, 214 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: you know. And and thinking about that, talking about building 215 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: upon your game in the National Football League, there's kind 216 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: of a chain. You got the guard at the quarterback position. 217 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: We're seeing more athletic guys, guys that can do it 218 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: with their UH feed making these spectacular plays outside of 219 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: the pocket. So I think about Lamar Jackson and Josh 220 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: Allen and Russell Wilson and others. When you look at 221 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: the National Football League, who are some of the guys 222 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: that you modeled your game after? Um and a reality, 223 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: I kind of look at everybody regardless of their pocket 224 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: passer Russian quarterback makes Breed. I mean, I feel like 225 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: you can learn something from everybody, because everybody has something 226 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: they do well. And if I can take a little 227 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: piece of everybody's game, and I could do everything well 228 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: and I can work on making all that act better, 229 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: you know, well, you know, and thinking about some of 230 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: the stuff that you're you're focusing on obviously, Um, you're 231 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: focusing on being the best player that you can be 232 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: for liberty, but naturally, like the NFL is a dream 233 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: that you may be able to realize. So when you 234 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: think about that journey, what are some of the things 235 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: that you want to improve upon to put yourself in 236 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: the best position and maybe realize the dream. Um, I 237 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: feel like everything like I don't feel like I do 238 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: anything exceptional, like to the best. I want to be 239 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: able to do whatever I can do to the best. 240 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to do like Okay, Okay, he's a 241 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: good athlete, all right, Okay, he has a strong arm. Okay, 242 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: he's decently. No, I want to be like exceptionally accurate. 243 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,239 Speaker 1: I want to be exceptional, right, there only be exceptional 244 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: decision maker. I want to make all the right reads. 245 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: I know you can't be perfect, but to strive for that, 246 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I feel like it just makes you a better player. 247 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: You know. So when I have an opportunity to turn 248 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: on the tape this fall, what should we expect to 249 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: see from a leak? Willis? I don't know. I got 250 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: I got a long summer head still, I gotta like 251 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: worry about the day by day. I'm not gonna lie today, 252 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: but they will give me one little thing that you 253 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: want to work on, like when we go out there today, 254 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm working a little bit um on just my hips, 255 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: get my hips wherever I'm going and making sure I 256 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: keep all you know, what, what do you say all 257 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: twelveth cleats in the ground to put because well, I'm 258 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: not can't give up nuance can alright, So this is 259 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: what we're gonna have to do. We're gonna have to 260 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: bring you back on the podcast after this season, so 261 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: then you can give me two tips. You can give 262 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: me the sauce. Thanks so much for joining the Move 263 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: to six podcast, Luke Willis. That's a luck to you 264 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: this fall. Thank you all right, Buck enjoyed that, enjoyed 265 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: you catching up with him. Um, it's gonna be again 266 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: interesting interesting to watch him again. Oxford, Mississippi, November six, 267 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Malik Willis, Matt corral Old, Miss Liberty, that's gonna be 268 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: a scouters to light to looking forward to that one. Um, 269 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: all right, let's get to the next one here. And 270 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: we've talked. We don't spent a lot of time on 271 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: this one because we've talked about Sam a good bit 272 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: on the podcast previously. But Sam How from North Carolina, 273 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: your take love, Man. I think your your first first 274 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: look series on him hit the nail on the head 275 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: because the loose comparison to Baker Mayfield that's there. I mean, 276 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: I think that's something. There's something too that DJ. And 277 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, like when you have an opportunity to see 278 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: a guy on t but then when you see him live, 279 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: it can really change your perception. But amatorio, I've watched 280 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: all the games. Sam How wears my number. Um, we 281 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: had a little debate about who's the best number seven 282 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: they ever come from Carolina and why he elected to 283 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: wear that number. But watching him play with the talent 284 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: that he had around him is one thing. Watching him 285 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: throw in a throwing session where you can see him 286 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: finesse the ball and add pace to it in those things. 287 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: When you watch him throw DJ, the first thing that 288 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: came to my mind is, oh, that's an NFL quarterback 289 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: just the way the ball comes out. He throws it 290 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: like a veteran throws and he knows when to take 291 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: touch off of it. And I think the biggest compliment 292 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: that a wide receiver can give to a quarterback is 293 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: to say, man, he throws a catchable ball and he 294 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: understands when to rev it up when the dollar back 295 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: based on what kind of throw he needs to make 296 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: for to be a completion. He has that, and to me, 297 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: I think he has a chance to be really really 298 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: good at the next level. Yeah. I think his game 299 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: translate really well and to me, one of the better, 300 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: uh deep ball throwers in terms of accuracy that I've 301 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: seen over the last few years. So not the biggest guy, 302 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: not gonna wow you with his athletics, and he's a 303 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,359 Speaker 1: good athlete, man, he is. He is really accurate, particularly 304 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: down the field on some of those long uh not 305 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: not not easy throws. Now he's difficult throws he makes 306 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: look easy. So an interesting, interesting player. So here's here's 307 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: Bucky catching up with his tar heels. Sam Howell. You 308 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: go to North Carolina, hit the ground running, starting right away. 309 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: Coach Brown mcbrown comes back his second tour duty in 310 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and man, you're leading the charge immediately. Why 311 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: are you so prepared to be a starting quarterback as 312 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: soon as you stepped on the field. Yeah, you know, 313 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: all my life, you know, I've just kind of mindset 314 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: I have is like every time you get an opportunity, 315 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: just take advantage of it, you know. Uh, you know, 316 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: I was competing for the job ever since I stepped 317 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: on campus, and I knew it was it was definitely 318 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: something I wanted to do, and I just put so 319 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: much time into it, and uh, and I just really 320 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: just appreciate my coaches just because they taught me how 321 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: to prepare from a mental standpoint and from a physical standpoint, 322 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: and that's something I didn't know going into college. So 323 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to have my opportunity and and fail, 324 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: you know. So you know, it's it's hard to get 325 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: that opportunity in college, especially out of school like like 326 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: where I'm at. So I just want to take full 327 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: vantage of that opportunity and get and give my team 328 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: the best chance to win. I'm not gonna lie. I 329 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: was so excited to see you guys have the level 330 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: of success that you've had the first few years under 331 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: you with coach Brown being back, but I man, your 332 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: offensive coordinated feel. Long Ago has a tremendous reputation for 333 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: developing quarterbacks and putting together top offenses. What have you 334 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: learned from him doing your time? Yeah, I would just 335 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: say the main thing is just the way he's taking 336 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: me to prepare for games. I just feel like I 337 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: go out there every Saturday, I step ahead of the 338 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: defense just from a mental standpoint, just because I found 339 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: much time he puts into it. I think that's what's 340 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: so so cool. Is like if I if I'm standing 341 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: in the building at one until one am on on 342 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: a Monday night, He's gonna be in there till one 343 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: am on a Monday night. He's he grinds hard on 344 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: anyone on the staff. So he's just so dedicated what 345 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: he does, and he truly loves the game and he 346 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: and he's in it for the right reason. Um. So 347 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: he He's taught me so much, not only about football, 348 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: but about life too. So it's a blessing I get 349 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: to play for him. So I'm definitely glad that me 350 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: and him and kind of be able to go on 351 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: this journey together. Now, it's funny, that's you're on this 352 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: journey together. I've been on this podcast journey with Daniel Jeremiah. 353 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: He recently wrote about you, and he compared you to 354 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. When you look at your game and you 355 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: think about the National Football League and some of the 356 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you and are who are some of the 357 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you're patting your game after. Yeah, honestly, I 358 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: mean I don't like look at a quarterback and try 359 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: to match their game. You know, I think every quarterback 360 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: is different so many ways. I think, you know, there 361 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: you see a lot of similar traits. I think I 362 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: see a lot of similar traits in the way Baker plays. 363 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: He's also players. So it's it's it's a blessing to 364 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: be able to be attached to a name like that, 365 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: But you know, it's I look at everybody's game. I 366 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: think everyone does so many things like so well, and 367 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: I think everyone is so so different. It's cool to see, 368 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, everyone has different trades. So I I watched. 369 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: I try to watch as much NFL guys as I can, 370 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: just try to take little things here and there. You know, Um, 371 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: Sam wanna have a confession right now, Like every time 372 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: I get a chance to go on the NFL network 373 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: from home. I have some jerseys hanging behind me and 374 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: it's number seven. So in my mind, I've always started 375 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: in North Carolina like I'm the greatest number seven that 376 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: has ever been. And I noticed that, Like, you went 377 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: to North Carolina and you picked number seven. Now tell 378 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: love of years, you picked number seven because you really 379 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: wanted to be like me? Right? Oh yeah, I under 380 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: saying when I when I, when I, when I win 381 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: the equipment, really asked for a number I want to 382 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: be and and seven seven was available on it, and 383 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: I said, oh, Bucky Brooks, I said, I gotta do it. 384 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: So that's why I did. It's funny so we can 385 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: talk about numbers. And I do love my number. I 386 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: love seeing you rock the number. So as an old tar, 387 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: he'll the main thing for me is for you guys 388 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: to find a way in today a CC championship and 389 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: eventually get the big ring. And so when you think 390 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: about the team this year and some of your individual 391 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: and team goes, what do you guys expecting? Yeah, you know, 392 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: we we expect to win every single game and we play. 393 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: That's kind of mindset that Coach Brown is set into 394 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: us as soon as they stepped on campus. He he 395 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: sold he doesn't want us to be like a three 396 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: or four year building process. He wants to win now. 397 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: And so it's kind of just our mindset is like, 398 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: it's not We're not like trying to build this thing. 399 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: We're trying to win right now. It's not fair to 400 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: our seniors just say we're just trying to build this thing, 401 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, So we want to win now. I mean, 402 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: our guys have worked so hard. You know, everyone knows 403 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: we lost last year with those um five great players 404 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: going to the draft. You know, obviously we're gonna miss them, 405 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: but we have a lot of good young players have 406 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: been working really hard. You know, this is the hardest 407 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: I've seen our team work and all seasons as I've 408 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: been here. And uh, we have a lot more guys 409 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: are stepping up in leadership roles. So I'm really excited 410 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: for it. Um, I think it would be great, great 411 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: year for us. So last thing, uh we think about personally, 412 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: for you, what is the one thing that you've been 413 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: working on this all season to really improve? Yeah, you 414 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: know there's so many ways out there and get better. 415 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: I think once pevery way I can get better from 416 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: in the pocket from like a full work standpoint. I 417 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: think sometimes I move a little too much. Sometimes I'm 418 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: on balance, sometimes I don't move enough. So just trying 419 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: to really study my game from from a pocket present 420 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: standpoint and trying to get better in that area. You know, 421 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: there's there's always ways you can get better from a quarterback. 422 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: You know, have a quarterback thinks they're perfect, then you 423 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: probably won't see them play in the game very long. 424 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just trying to find every single every 425 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: little thing that's wrong with my game in China, trying 426 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: to get better at it. Well I know this. I 427 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: know if you get better to Targo's get better and 428 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: it's gonna lead to a lot of wins. Thanks so 429 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: much for joining the Move to six podcast. Appreciative by Buck. 430 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: You can't hide your love for tar Heels man, like 431 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: it just comes out in your voice. I mean, I'm 432 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: really excited about Sam. How I peeked Twitter yesterday one 433 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: of my teammates, dre Bligh is the secondary coach Dan. 434 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: He posted some things with Sam getting ready for a 435 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: picture day and all the other stuff, and you just 436 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: see him and he put them seven. He looks so 437 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: clean and all this But here's what I'm gonna say, DJ, 438 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: when we get to the other side of the calendar, 439 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: when we started doing the quarterback evails. As much as 440 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: we give him glorying reviews on what he does on 441 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: the field as a thrower, his leadership ability and personality 442 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: is going to make a team fall in love with 443 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: him because he gets it. And we've talked about it. 444 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: We've talked about the importance of the position. We've talked 445 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: about the expectation of the quarterback being kind of the 446 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: presidential fit figure within the organization. Sam how gets him 447 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: when you talk to people around the program about how 448 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: he kind of handles all of the things, all of 449 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: the attention and all that very deferential, does a great 450 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: job of including his teammates in the process. I think 451 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: that is going to make him someone that is really 452 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: well liked in this process. We also what you think 453 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: about his game or not, no doubt. Um and I 454 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: have a bunch of friends on that staff as well, Buck, 455 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: and they rape about this dude, UM just as a 456 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: as a leader, as a teammate, all that stuff off 457 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: the charts. Um, all right, let's move it on here 458 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: to Spencer Rattler from Oklahoma. Again, we've touched on him 459 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: a little bit briefly and previous episodes. But um, you 460 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: know my evaluation, I'd start with the comparison. I like 461 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: to lob but Jeff Garcia comparison out every three years 462 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: just to keep Jeff Garcia alive in the comparison game. 463 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: But kind of. But you know, not a big frame guy. Um, 464 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: makes plays, can create, do some things off schedule. Uh, 465 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: you know nothing. You know, there's nothing superlative about Jeff Garcia. 466 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: But the guy found a way to win a lot 467 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: of games and put up some good numbers and in 468 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: very scheme specific in terms of how he fits and 469 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: how he's gonna play. That's to me, Spencer Rattler, I 470 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: agree with that comparison. I agree with how you view 471 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: him because when I think of Spencer Ratty, and this 472 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: is going to be the thing. Size wise, he's not 473 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: a plus size athlete, and so typically if you're not 474 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: plus sized, and you must have a level athleticism, and 475 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily have that either. Um, what he is 476 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: is a gun slinger with five star confidence who believes 477 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: that he can make every play on the field. And 478 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: there's a double edged sword to that because when it's 479 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: rolling and it's working, He's gonna whire you with some 480 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: of these plays. Right. He has wow ability when you 481 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: watch him play because there's some throws he makes, some 482 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: off platform throws and all that that you absolutely love. 483 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: But there's some mistakes and some turnovers that come along 484 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: with the gun slinger that plays the game like that. 485 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: I believe he is. I think in this process early 486 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: we kind of give quarterbacks to benefit of the doubt, 487 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: particularly those that can make these sizzle plays. He has 488 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: been the biggest beneficiary of that. Because there's a lot 489 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: of conversation about him a being the number one guy 490 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: in the class already and those things. I would say, 491 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: let's pause that a little bit and let's make sure 492 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: that he really delivers from a performance and production standpoint 493 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: to this point, because last year was a little up 494 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: and down. He had moments. I need to see more 495 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: consistency from him before I can say, oh, without question, 496 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: he is undisputed the number one guy or those things. 497 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: He has the potential to be that, but I would 498 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: need to see more consistency in his play this year 499 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: before I would give him that title. Yeah, he needs 500 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: to do better playing clean environments. He actually does pretty 501 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: well on the muddy stuff, you know, under pressure, creating 502 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: an escape and making some things happen. But just be 503 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, I think Trent Trent Dilford used to always 504 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: say this and around Trent all the time, it's kind 505 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: of be good at the boring things, you know, like 506 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: just make the boring things to be consistent in those areas, 507 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: and that's an area he needs to improve. So anyways, 508 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: you got a chance to catch up with Spencer here 509 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: in southern California at the Elite eleven. Here's that conversation. 510 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: So it has to be a lot of pressure on 511 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: you because I think about Oklahoma and the quarterbacks that 512 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: have come through there. Baker Mayfield number one overall, Kylin 513 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: Murray number one overall. Daylen Hurst goes to Philadelphia second round. 514 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: But it's playing like a starter. What is it? What's 515 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: the secrets souce in Oklahoma where quarterbacks able to have 516 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: success in the National Football League. The reason I went 517 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: there was because coach Riley Um. He does such a 518 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: great job with making it easy for the quarterback play. 519 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: Um just our offensive scheme and and everything like that. 520 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: We have a great online always have great skill positions 521 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: running backs receivers. UM, you just go in and you 522 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: gotta do your job, and I think coach Riley makes 523 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: it easy for us. And you know, you see the 524 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: tradition with the with the guys, he's pumping out. So 525 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: hopefully I can live up to be like that and 526 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: be that next guy. It has to be a whirlwindow 527 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: because last year was your first year really playing and starting, 528 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: and you talked about the adversity, the ups and downs, 529 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: but then you kind of found your rhythm the last 530 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: part of year and you really roll. So going into 531 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: next year, for one, what are some of the personal 532 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: goals that Jeffrey so? Uh, personal goals I really don't 533 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: try to focus on. UM. I feel like last year 534 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: I try to focus on personal goals maybe too much 535 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: UM and and I found that to catch up with 536 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: me and uh. As the season went on, everything was 537 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: team oriented and then we won nine games in a row, 538 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Big Twelve Championship. You know, the personal goals came with 539 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: the with the m v P of the Big Twelve game, 540 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: and then of course the Cotton Bowl went as well. 541 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: It was big for our program and our team. But 542 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: this year I'm just gonna take a game by game 543 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: treat every game like it's the championship. That's that's my mindset. Look, 544 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's a great mindset day have. Obviously, the 545 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: the individuals just talked about Baker Mayfield, Calor Murray, the 546 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: individual success that they have. Um, you guys expect to 547 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: be pretty good. Like once again, you guys expect to 548 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: be one of the top four or five teams in 549 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: the country. Um. What is it like dealing with those 550 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: expectations at a school that is one national championships in 551 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: the past. Uh, it's definitely you know, could put pressure 552 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: on guys, But I think you know, I lot of 553 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: guys on my team, everybody on my team, the coaching staff, 554 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: they do a great job of of focusing on the 555 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: main thing and keeping the main thing the main thing. 556 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: So uh, like I said, going game by game, Uh, 557 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: just prepared as prepared as we can and and not 558 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: overlooking an opponent or playing down to an opponent's skill. 559 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: Just we gotta be prepared and come into every game 560 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: like it's our last you know. Looking ahead. Uh, the 561 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: National Football League is is right there. Obviously you're a 562 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: quarterback that grew up maybe with NFL aspirations. Who are 563 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: some of the NFL quarterbacks right now that you look 564 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: up to that, maybe you take bits and pieces of 565 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: their game and try and put in yours. Oh yeah, 566 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: definitely my Homes, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. I say those 567 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: three guys, uh my quarterback coach and I Mike Giovando 568 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: out of Arizona, have you know, tried to do some 569 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: of those movements and practice them so now wear their 570 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: second nature. Now their second nature to me on the field, 571 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: and I feel like naturally I've had those you know 572 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: that my Homes type of play that Aaron Rodgers type 573 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: of you know, off platform throws and you know, being 574 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: able to throw the ball and put it where I 575 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: want to. So uh, but we got a lot of 576 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, and uh, I'm excited 577 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: to get get to it and showed on the field 578 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: this year. It's funny because you talked about that everybody 579 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: that you mentioned is a guy that has some pozzas 580 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: to the game. And last year in the draft, we 581 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: saw Zack Wilson and we saw the um noise of 582 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: the buzz that kind of came up around this game. 583 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: When I look at his game and look at your game, 584 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: I see some similarities. What do you believe is the 585 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: best thing that you do on the field. I feel 586 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: like I could put the ball at wherever I want 587 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: to um, at any time, any any arm angle, UM, 588 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: any off platform throw I could, I could put it there. Um. 589 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: That's that's you know the key. And when I get 590 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: outside the pocket as well, I feel like I can 591 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: make things happen. Um. But I think my my greatest 592 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: trait to me is I made guys around me better. 593 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: So Um, being a quarterback you have to have that 594 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: trade and it's something I strive to work on every day. 595 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: I practice with my receivers, with my old line running backs, 596 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: and again, coach Riley puts me in a great position 597 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: to do that. So well, look, we're gonna let you 598 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: continue to focus on football. We look forward to watching 599 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: you joining the program. Since yes, sir, thank you, right Buck, 600 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: I think we've got a nice feel here for those 601 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks after you've got a chance to visit with him. 602 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: Anything in terms of watching those guys on the on 603 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: the grass, Um, biggest takeaway maybe from just these three quarterbacks, 604 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: I would say of the three, Sam, how is the 605 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: most polished when it comes to just being a pure 606 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: passer in the pocket the way the game has been 607 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: playing for the last thirty five forty years, Sam, how 608 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: to me would be at the top of the list. 609 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: If you want a little extra little scissor little bizzas, 610 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: then that would be Spencer Ratty. If you're looking to 611 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: do more of the new age stuff where you have 612 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: a creative offensive mind that needs to jump start the offense, 613 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: Malik Willis would be in that conversation. Um, it's one 614 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: of those unique situations where it's really going to the 615 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: ice cream shop and trying to determine what flavor you 616 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: like as your quarterback, but very very talented prospects in 617 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: their own right. Well, that's great, Um, again, thanks for 618 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: doing that Buck in the middle of working that event 619 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: of grabbing that that audio and those interviews for us 620 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: is awesome. So I hope you guys enjoyed listening to 621 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: it as much as I did. UM, let's keep it 622 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: going here because this is a this is a really 623 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: interesting guy to me in the football landscape. We've talked 624 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: about UM guys making the jump from the college level 625 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: to the NFL level. If you think about the last 626 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: couple of guys, think about Matt Rule and all the 627 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: conversations we've had with him on here, uh, and our 628 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: belief that he is going to be successful, and I 629 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: think he does have the Carolina Panthers on the right path. 630 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: Think about the numerous conversations we have Erban Meyer, Um, 631 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: I see, it was kind of debating whether or not 632 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: to jump into this thing, and sure enough, here he 633 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: is with your Jags, anxious to see how that all 634 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: works out. This is the next one. I think, along 635 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: with Matt Campbell, I think Luke Fickle is somebody that's 636 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: viewed as a rising start. It's going to eventually make 637 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: his way to the National Football League. You know. I 638 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: think he absolutely is going to make his way to 639 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: the National Football League. I love what he's about, I 640 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: love who he's been impacted by, and I think those 641 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: centers of influence definitely come out in his coaching style. 642 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: This is a great conversation, all right, Why you go? 643 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: This is Bucky catching up with the University of Cincinnati 644 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: head football coach Luca Fickle coach and and and thinking 645 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: about getting to going. We are right in the middle 646 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: of the summer, We're about on the eve of training camps. 647 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: What are you guys doing right now? How are you 648 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: guys getting ready for the season. So we're kind of 649 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: in a two week phase here where we're kind of 650 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: starting to use as much of the time we're allowed 651 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: to h do a lot more football, whether they're meetings 652 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: and then coaches working with guys you know, skill fundamental 653 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: wise on the field of the things we're allowed to do. 654 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: Um So for this two weeks, our coaches come back 655 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: in from a little bit of a break and really 656 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with our guys, you know, 657 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: kind of put the weight room stuff on the back 658 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: burners as opposed to really challenge them football wise, trying 659 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: to get them in a ready for when they go 660 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: to camp that they're not you know, they haven't thought 661 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: about football and just been training. So Phase two of 662 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: what we like to call it is is well on 663 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: its way. You know, coach, coming off a pandemic year 664 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: where everything was different, what are some of the things 665 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: that you've learned from dealing with your team a year 666 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: ago that may make you be a better coach or 667 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: help you connect with the team in a better way 668 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: than you have previously. Well, and I think that was 669 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of always been our our thing. I think, you know, 670 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: the pandemic in some ways helped us. And I don't 671 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: mean it helped us because you know, um, you know, 672 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: we liked it of a source. But I think what 673 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: it allowed us to do was kind of hone in 674 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: on the things that we always have said it was 675 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: important about relationships and being together and struggling through things together. Uh. 676 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: And what it did was it took a lot of 677 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: the outside things out, meaning you know, the things you're 678 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: excited about, crowds and and and you know, the normal 679 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: social life that you have on campus. And you know, 680 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: if all of a sudden you heard a lot of 681 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: people say, well, we didn't have the ability to kind 682 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: of relax and and get away, and mentally it was 683 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: really difficult on us. That's you know, we we want 684 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: to spend time with our guys. So I think we 685 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: had kind of trained ourselves to want to be around 686 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: each other, especially during football season, during the camp and 687 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: the stuff that builds up to a football season. So 688 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: I think we actually, I hope, but I think we 689 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: actually enjoy being around each other as a team, and 690 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: those are the only things you could be around this 691 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: past year. So for us, I think we were able 692 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: to kind of thrive in the midst of you know, 693 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: all the you know chaos and things that were going 694 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: on with COVID because you know how we try to 695 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: build ourselves about, you know, being a family and wanting 696 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: to be around each other, and it is relaxing to 697 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: be around each other outside outside of football and during football. 698 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: You know something, because you guys have played phenomenal football 699 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: since you've been there, you guys have really been on 700 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: the climb. It culminated this year. You guys had an 701 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to play Georgia in the bowl game, and you know, 702 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: I know there was some conversation about the playoff and 703 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: those things. Being a group of five team, Um, do 704 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time thinking about that other 705 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: stuff in terms of like the quote unquote big boys 706 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: of the Power five conferences? Or you really committed to 707 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: building the best program that I can be over regardless 708 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: of whether we're a group of five Power five and 709 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: wherever we face. Well, those are words we don't even 710 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: were not allowed to say within the program. So we 711 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: don't want to distinguish anything that's any different. You play 712 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: a game on the field, the fields the same length, 713 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: the same with you still got eleven guys on there 714 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: at a time. What's the difference whether you know that 715 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: guy is a five star or you're a three star. 716 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter when everybody walks in the door. So 717 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: uh for twofold for we don't want our kids to 718 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: think there's anything different, and we don't want our coaches. 719 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: In my eyes, we don't want our coaches to have 720 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: any excuse or think anything different. Well, they're the big boys, 721 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: or they're this, or they're from the SEC so what 722 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: so what they have the same They are allowed the 723 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: same hours, they're allot the same time, they're allowed the 724 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: same number of kids. You know what's the difference. The 725 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: difference is the relationship that you got with them, the 726 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: way you can motivate, the way you can develop them 727 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: over time. And to be able to do that, we 728 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: know there's the limitations. Like I try and tell kids, 729 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: limitations come in much more maybe the aesthetics of some 730 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: of the things that you've got within your facility. Um 731 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: or I tell the kids it's it's the amount of 732 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: money the coaches might be making that in some of 733 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: the other comps, but your scholarship check is gonna be 734 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: the same as their scholarship chair. Your opportunities are the 735 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: same as their opportunities. We just got to use them. 736 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: We've got to maximize them. We've got to do more 737 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: with maybe you know, similar resources UM, you know, but 738 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: with less maybe for the coaches. So if the coaches 739 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: has something to complain about, that's great. Players, we should 740 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: have nothing to complain about. There's nothing any different. So, 741 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: like you know, it's a mentality and I think more 742 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: than anything, what we try to do UM is create 743 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: a mentality and in a mindset there is no excuse 744 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: whether you're playing Georgia or you're playing you know, Murray 745 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Stage and we play this year. What's the difference. You know, 746 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: you've done inside. They all have the same amount of 747 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: opportunities and else the same amount of time. There might 748 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: be some obviously some some things that their coaches get 749 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: a little bit different, UM, but other than that, we've 750 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: got the same opportunity they got. You know, a coach 751 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: and in you and you talk about you talked about 752 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: mentality and to me, I know you're very impacted by 753 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: those that you've worked with UM and coaches Urban Meyer, 754 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: Jim Trussell, uh two of the finest coaches ever really 755 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: coached the game. What have you been able to take 756 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: from each um as you move forward in building your 757 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: own program and creating your own identity and legacy at Cincinnati. Well, 758 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: I've been very fortunate, you know, truly to really work 759 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: for you know, four guys with three Hall of Fame coaches. 760 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: John Cooper is the other one. So for John Cooper, 761 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: and then it was my I was a g a 762 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: for John Cooper, who's a Hall of Fame college football coach, 763 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: and obviously ten years was with coach Trussell who will 764 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: be the Hall of Fame football coach. Coach Meyer for 765 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: five years, um who is or will be a Hall 766 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: of Fame football coach as well. And I've had the 767 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: great fortunes to be with three different Hall of Fame 768 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: coaches and recognize that they all do things different. They 769 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: all have the same goal, they all have the same 770 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: objective deep down inside. They believe in young men and 771 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: growing men. What they do in different leadership ways. So 772 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: we could go on and on and on about who 773 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: is what and how that is. But I think the 774 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: greatest thing is I had a chance to see is well, 775 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: you can do them in many different ways get very 776 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: similar results of those are all three are incredibly successful. 777 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: All three will be in the Hall of Fame, but 778 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: all three are incredibly different as leaders. And the biggest 779 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: thing I got out of that was, no matter what, 780 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: if you want to be successful, you gotta be who 781 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: you are. You know, you got to know what it 782 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: is you believe in, know the way you want to 783 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: go about things, because if you can't be consistent, you 784 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: can't motivate young men, and you can't motivate order order 785 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: guys too. You know, it's not just about the eighteen 786 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: to twenty two you know, it's if you're gonna do 787 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: this thing over time and grow, you're gonna have to 788 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: be able to motivate the people that work within your 789 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: program as well. And sometimes that's more difficult for the 790 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: fifties sixty year old, eighteen to twenty two year old. 791 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: You can raise your voice in eighteen twenty two or 792 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: that they got enough in them, they're gonna they're gonna 793 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: be ready to go. Fifty year old, you know, forty 794 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: five ye olds, that lot of experiences. You gotta go 795 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: about it a little different ways. So I think that 796 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: more than anything, I've learned that there's not one way 797 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: of doing it. But if you're going to be successful, 798 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: you gotta do it your way and be consistent. You know, 799 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: it's funny because I think one of your best friends, 800 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: Mike Raybell, former teammate, and those things he is and 801 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: murdered as a great leader in the National Football League 802 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: as a head coach. UM. Look, because you guys are 803 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: so close or whatever. Did did you expect him to 804 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: kind of have the kind of success that he's being 805 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: able to have as a leader, UM, as he moved 806 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: on and really took a great job in in Tennessee. 807 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of crazy that you ask, 808 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: because I did talk about this with a couple of 809 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: bloodies of mine not too long ago, actually just this 810 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: past week, and you don't have cryptable. I'm not saying 811 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: I knew anything, but in the first he went down 812 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: to Houston when he left US. UM, when he first 813 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: started coaching, he went down to Houston and obviously went 814 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: into the NFL. I think his first mini camp. I 815 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: think I ended up going down maybe the second mini 816 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: camp of his first year coaching, and I went down 817 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: to Houston and observed for two days. And as I 818 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: was leaving Houston, I just remember I just said to him, 819 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: I say, hey, once you know, I believe you're in 820 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: the right place. He's like, what do you mean, I 821 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: got you're in the right place. I'm not saying college 822 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: wasn't the right place, or you're in the right place. Meeting. 823 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: I watched for two days how guys interact with you, 824 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: How the things that you can do and say that 825 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: even others couldn't. And you're only the linebacker coach. You 826 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: know you could do and say some things, and how 827 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: people reacted from what I watched different than even the 828 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: head coach could. And whether that's three super Bowl rings, 829 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: whether that's fourteen years, that's just a confidence about yourself. 830 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I believe that you're in a 831 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: really good place and you want to. I could see 832 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: you being a head coach within four or five years. Man, 833 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: this is it's an amazing run um success that he's had, 834 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: that you've had, you guys being teammates. But I gotta 835 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: ask you this because I'm bigging and digging into backgrounds, 836 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: and I love multis sport players and athletes. Have been 837 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: a scout for a long time. I'm always looking at 838 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: bios to see about kids, and so I stumbled upon 839 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: your background and I see that you were like this 840 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: dominant high school wrestler that just repeatedly whooped people and 841 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: put them down. Maybe, Oh, is that is am I 842 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: making it up a fifty and old run that you 843 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: might have had as a state championship wrestler. Is that true? 844 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: Who's count I don't know who's counting. Okay, I got 845 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: beat my freshman year. Let's just say that, and then 846 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,919 Speaker 1: UH wised up and then I didn't have to worry 847 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 1: about that after that. Okay. So in thinking about that, coach, 848 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: when you're recruiting, how big is it for you to 849 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: recruit players that have played multiple sports? And what do 850 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: you gain from watching them participate in other sports? I 851 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: think if I could have all multiple sport guys, I 852 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: would I think two fold. I think you're always competing, 853 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think you're showing some different things that 854 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: you're about have the ability to do. I love watching 855 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: them play because you can tell a lot about them, 856 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, as far as what's really inside and whether 857 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: they're playing basketball, with the wrestling, whether even they're running track, 858 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's competitors show what they who they 859 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: really are. You know, during competitions in competitions when they're 860 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: not doing well and when they're doing really well. So 861 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: um so I love that. I think that your ability 862 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: that when you come to the next level and all 863 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden you've been a two or three sport athlete, 864 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: you're upside as you start to focus in on one 865 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: sport is incredibly different. Not to take away from that 866 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: guy that only played football and trained you know, year 867 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: round lifting and things like that, they might be at 868 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: their maximum capacity, where some of the guys walking in 869 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: the door that have been you know, I played football, 870 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: I played basketball, and I played baseball football, I was 871 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: wrestler and I ran track. You know, it's like, okay, 872 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: this guy's about fift of his maximum he starts to 873 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: hone in on those things. Amazing what he's gonna do 874 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: and look like in in two years. So I think 875 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of upside when you're when you're looking 876 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: at multiple sport athletes, and then if you take a 877 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: guy that wrestled, I think it knocks him off the 878 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: chart because to me, there's no greater measure of a 879 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: man than when he goes out there one on one 880 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: and not the guy that wins, the guy that continues 881 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: to go back out there when he's got nobody else 882 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: around him, you know, all eyes are on him. Uh. 883 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: It even means a little bit more to me. A 884 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: guy that's not a great wrestler but continues to do 885 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: it as opposed the ones that you know enjoy it 886 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: because they are winning. Uh. It just does something different. 887 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's the heart and the your ability to 888 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of grind through the things that we think are 889 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: really important to grow in our program. It Uh, I 890 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: think it transitions really well. I know it does in 891 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: our program. And maybe that's a little bit more in 892 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: my mental side of things now, I like it. One 893 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: one guy who has a tremendous amount of upside that 894 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: we have to touch him before I let you go. 895 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: Doesn't Ridding your quarterback? Talk a little bit about him, 896 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: your expectations. What do you like about him? I mean, 897 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: an unbelievable person. I think more than anything I could 898 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: tell you that um as a leader, he is a 899 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: humble person. He puts others in front of himself. His 900 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: ability to you know, kind of draw the locker room, 901 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: not because he's a great player, but draw the locker 902 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: room because he's got the right heart. He's got the right, mind, 903 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: um is so key. I mean, a guy that you 904 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: know from year one had to fight his way for 905 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: everything he's got. He wasn't a highly recruited guy. He 906 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: red shirted, he got beat up on the scout team, 907 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: which all of a sudden makes guys start to respect you. 908 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: And then in year one, you know when when we 909 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: really weren't that good, but some ways, somehow found ways 910 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: to win and uh, you know, manufactured everything. Two year two, 911 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: where there was this incredible expectation and you might not 912 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: have nearly met the expectation for himself or what people 913 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: expected of him, that can be crushing. Well, he did 914 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: nothing but make himself better, and so his ability to 915 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: fight through the adversity I love. But I think more 916 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: than anything, it's made the guys in that locker room 917 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: have an unbelievable not because he's a great player, but 918 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: the way he goes about his business, the way he 919 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: cares about them, and the way he's fought through the 920 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: ups and the downs. Nothing's been handed to him. You know, Coach, well, 921 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: I love that. I love watching your team play. I 922 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: love what you guys have done in Cincinnati. The toughness 923 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: to physicality, the way you guys, go after it. I 924 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: wish you and your team nothing but the best this season. 925 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: Look forward to watching your squad grow and develop, and 926 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: we look forward to talking you down a lot. Thanks 927 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: so much for joining the Movie six podcasts. Well, Buck, 928 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna have a better foundation um 929 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: to be a successful coach than than what Luke Fickle has. 930 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: And all that time, those twenty years he spent, you know, 931 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: as a player and coach in the Ohio State program 932 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: um and then taking those lessons learned and then applying 933 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: them there at the University of Cincinnati. It's it's not 934 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: a surprise to see the success that he's had. No, 935 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: not a surprise, DJ, and he alluded to it. When 936 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 1: you're coached by John Cooper, you work alongside Jim Trussell 937 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: and Erban meyer Man. You talk about notebooks being full 938 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: of lessons in in winning and building elite programs. Well, 939 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: he has all of that. The fact that he's been 940 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: able to take what he's learned from those guys kind 941 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: of put it in shaping in his own way and 942 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: then implemented in Cincinnati speaks volumes about what I would 943 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: say is maturity as a coach. The success that day've had, 944 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: the way that they've been able to go toe to 945 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: toe with the big boys. I know he hates when 946 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: I talk about that, but the way they've been able 947 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: to go toe to toe with some of the bigger 948 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: brand name programs. They're they're not a fos, but look, 949 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: they're a good program. And I can understand why there's 950 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: so much interest and trying to plug Luke Filko from 951 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: Cincinnati because he does a lot of things the right 952 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: way when it comes to building a team. Hey, no doubt, 953 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: um Notre Dame Cincinnati this year. That's gonna be a 954 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: big one. That's gonna be a fun game to watch, 955 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: and Cincinnati has a legit shot to try and cratch 956 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: the party here get into college football playoff. Um, that 957 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: would be a nice that would be a nice win 958 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,280 Speaker 1: on their resume if they could pull that one off. 959 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that'd be a big win. That would be 960 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: a big win for them if they could do it 961 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: to be a program mover, because they've they've been close 962 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: to this point before. I mean where they've been in 963 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: the conversation. I want to say Brian Kelly had them 964 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: in this conversation as a team that was kind of 965 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: on the the verge of making the next move man 966 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: a a big win like that against the University of 967 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, the ultimate brand name college football program in 968 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: the country. Yeah, that moves him up, moves him up 969 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: around on the ladder. Did you see the quote from 970 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: Matt Campbell? Uh? Yesterday? By the way, I did not 971 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: see the quote. All right. So he was asked, and 972 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: I think it's pertinent because we're talking about Luke Fickle 973 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: and he looked fickle. How opportunities to to get you know, 974 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 1: quote unquote bigger jobs, more uh, more, notoriety and uh 975 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: and maybe that's when the college lower the NFL level. 976 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: But Matt Campbell has been in that same boat. So 977 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 1: they asked him a big twelve media day, um, why 978 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: he hasn't left Iowa State for a bigger job. And 979 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: here's Matt Campbell's response. I didn't get into this profession 980 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: to be somebody. I got in this profession to do something. 981 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's pretty interesting. I've never heard that one before. 982 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: I love that. And what I love about that is 983 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: if you dig down deep, you understand he played in 984 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: Mountain Union UM Mountain Union Division three. I think they're 985 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: just whipping people for years and years on end. And 986 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: one thing, he won three titles while he was there. 987 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: Um he went back and coach and they continued to win. 988 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: And you just go and look at the success that 989 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: he had it to Ledo before he got to Iowa State. UM, 990 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: his program building, he had them on the verge. I mean, 991 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: this is a team that played in the title game, uh, 992 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: in the Big twelve, and so you wouldn't think that 993 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: Iowa State would have the talent nor the depth to 994 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: be able to compete at a high level there. But 995 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: here they are being in the conversation as a top 996 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: fifteen program. And so I think sometimes we kind of 997 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: think like bigger is always better, more shine, more eyeballs, 998 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,959 Speaker 1: more exposure is really of coaches want. Maybe he wants 999 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: to be a legend, Maybe wants to go down as 1000 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: man the best one to ever come through there and 1001 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: build something that is sustainable for a long time at 1002 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: a place where people said you never can win it 1003 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: and win for a long time in aimes the best 1004 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: way I try to sum that up, and and I think, 1005 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: again this is Luke Fickle as well. Um, are you 1006 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: looking for attention or are you looking for accomplishments. These 1007 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: guys are starting to rack up some accomplishments. Now, they 1008 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: might not get the most attention as somebody would get 1009 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: if they were doing the same thing at Texas or 1010 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: USC or you know, Notre Dame or whatever, But man, 1011 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: these guys are starting to pile up some accomplishments as 1012 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: they go along here. You know, they're beginning to pile 1013 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: them up. And you have to like what you see 1014 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: from from these guys. I mean, we can talk about 1015 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,399 Speaker 1: macam Mike, Matt Campbell. We've seen what Matt Rule has done. 1016 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: We've seen what Luke Fickle has done. Uh, yeah, there's 1017 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: something to it. And I think, uh, we always talked 1018 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: about scouting. You kind of like to see guys overcome 1019 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 1: some challenges so you feel good about who they are. 1020 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: Because if you can see them handing themselves with class 1021 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: and grace and digney and find a way to work 1022 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: through some of the adversity, you're really confident that they 1023 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: can find it at the next level. And when I 1024 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: look at Matt Campbell, when I look at Luke Fickle, 1025 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: when I think about what Matt Rule had to endure 1026 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: at Temple and Baylor, respectfully before he got a chance 1027 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: at Carolina. I think when those guys go through those 1028 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: hard rebels, when we look at them at the next level, 1029 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,800 Speaker 1: they should be well equipped to handle whatever challenges and 1030 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: throwing their way, no doubt. Well, man, this has been 1031 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: a fun episode. I hope you guys have enjoyed it. 1032 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: Get a chance to to learn a little bit about 1033 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: these upcoming quarterback class should be a fun year of 1034 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: college football, as well as catching up with the coach 1035 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: in one of the really really up and coming promising 1036 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,760 Speaker 1: programs there and Cincinnati Bearcats with Luke Fickle. So anything 1037 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: else you want to add here, Buck before we get 1038 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: out of here, No, it's great, man. I want to 1039 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: thank David Singing and the crew uh behind the glass 1040 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: for everything that they do. David Sinking for bringing us 1041 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: the ability to have great guests on all like Luke Fickle, 1042 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: Uh coordinate all the stuff that we have with the 1043 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: guys at at Lead eleven, and then the crew just 1044 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: making sure that, man, we we are always able to 1045 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: kind of put forth the best product, the best show 1046 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: that we can no doubt again, appreciate everybody that's it's 1047 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: worked on the show here. There's been some some changes, 1048 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: some moving parts here, and everybody's really busting their butt 1049 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: to uh, to get us go on here. So appreciate 1050 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: everybody's hard work and efforts. All right, that's gonna do 1051 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: it for us. Say we'll catch you next time right 1052 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: here on Move the Sticks. Thanks for downloading Move the 1053 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go 1054 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts